Isn't this the chap who just guesses, and throws things at the wall to see if they will stick? My first thought, looking at that list, is a mixture of things already rumoured (tryanids, dark elves) self-evident (hard copy of farsight dex, hobbit releases) and things which are fairly vague, likely, but deniable if they don't happen (ie supplements for every known 40k sub-faction).
I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote: Isn't this the chap who just guesses, and throws things at the wall to see if they will stick? My first thought, looking at that list, is a mixture of things already rumoured (tryanids, dark elves) self-evident (hard copy of farsight dex, hobbit releases) and things which are fairly vague, likely, but deniable if they don't happen (ie supplements for every known 40k sub-faction).
Because he repeats what other people have said first, that TRUE value is much higher than it should be. Pretre's been pretty generous with granting trues as well.
Col. Dash wrote: Wait, Ultramorons just got a codex last month, why do they get a suppliment too? Ugg I hate GW priorities.
By that logic, Iyanden also got two codexes in a row.
I agree that was a Space Marine codex, however considering that half the characters in it are Ultramarines, I think they should be the last one out of the group to get their suppliment.
Because he repeats what other people have said first, that TRUE value is much higher than it should be. Pretre's been pretty generous with granting trues as well.
I am the good one. Although if there is anything you think I should reconsider, you can bring it up in the tracker thread. I agree that he is rather calculating though in his 'adoption' of other people's rumors.
lord_blackfang wrote:I guess he has to post via Faeit because nobody else will take him seriously.
Faeit212 posts anything resembling rumours, Warseer hunts down any rumour monger on sight.
MasterSlowPoke wrote:Because he repeats what other people have said first, that TRUE value is much higher than it should be.
That is not true. He was the first to get the Necron release date right, also several details of the Necron design, one year in advance.
His speculation on a "summer of flyers" became reality one year later than he thought.
His sources are from an early stage of production, therefore prone to changes in details and timescale.
Most of his misses are recent (change of source?), although I admit that his release schedule predictions are not his strong suit.
Col. Dash wrote: Wait, Ultramorons just got a codex last month, why do they get a suppliment too? Ugg I hate GW priorities.
Not strictly true, as others have mentioned, but I do agree, being probably the most orthodox codex chapter and being the most represented in terms of SC, they surely have to be the least in need of any sort of supplement? One could easily expand any of the other original Legions beyond what is represented in the Codex ahead of UM.
I'm impressed by the number of supplements to be released - even more so since they are for armies that are not necessarily the most popular (looks like a supplement per month).
I'm glad to see hobbit only mentioned in Dec - sorry LotR fans, but I'd rather see effort put into things that actually sell.
One thing I'm really interested in seeing is the wood elves at the veryyyy end of the list (hopefully 2014 and not 2015). It would be convenient to finally get into fantasy with a brand new edition, army book, and updated models!
Can't say I'm "impressed" with all these supplements.. Feels like GW asked themselves "What items are the most cost effective to gouge our customers with"..
Books!
Yes, it's nice my armies get supplements but if the previous ones are any indication.. I'm paying a lot of money for fluff they may or may not butcher and some poorly thought out rules.
Maybe I'll be surprised and the quality will increase. In the meantime you're paying twice for each codex basically..
lord_blackfang wrote:I guess he has to post via Faeit because nobody else will take him seriously.
Faeit212 posts anything resembling rumours, Warseer hunts down any rumour monger on sight.
We should promote Dakka as a warm and fuzzy place for rumourmongers to hang out then!
We've been trying. Dakka isn't the most friendly place on earth either.
How's about this then.
Anyone with an established reputation (we can use the rumour tracker for this, >60% accuracy and more than 25 shared, separate rumours maybe?) we give access to a moderated thread which is somewhat like the GW sticky, effectively a transmit only thread, and discussion is conducted elsewhere.
I can see an argument against this, as it isn't really in the manner of Dakka to be as controlling as some other sites, but if it means we can get people to come here with news first and without fear of being attacked or ridiculed (but with the option to participate in the discussion if they want, but also the ability to simply not see it if they prefer) that can only be good for the site, can't it?
Kirasu wrote: Can't say I'm "impressed" with all these supplements.. Feels like GW asked themselves "What items are the most cost effective to gouge our customers with"..
Books!
Yes, it's nice my armies get supplements but if the previous ones are any indication.. I'm paying a lot of money for fluff they may or may not butcher and some poorly thought out rules.
Maybe I'll be surprised and the quality will increase. In the meantime you're paying twice for each codex basically..
suppliments exist as a labour lf love by the developers, gw never wanted to release them in the first place.
Anyone with an established reputation (we can use the rumour tracker for this, >60% accuracy and more than 25 shared, separate rumours maybe?) we give access to a moderated thread which is somewhat like the GW sticky, effectively a transmit only thread, and discussion is conducted elsewhere.
I can see an argument against this, as it isn't really in the manner of Dakka to be as controlling as some other sites, but if it means we can get people to come here with news first and without fear of being attacked or ridiculed (but with the option to participate in the discussion if they want, but also the ability to simply not see it if they prefer) that can only be good for the site, can't it?
I think this is not a bad idea but I can see some problems. 1) It gives me a lot of power. 2) This is the kind of thing that you would need to get Yak to sign off on probably and I don't know that he wants to get into this kind of business. 3) It exposes Yak to liability for leaks depending on the type of 'rumor' 4) you have to convince the rumor monger that it is in their best interest to come here, even with their own thread.
Oh and calling UM Ultramorons is analogous to the US army calling the Marines "Jarheads" or paratroopers "dirt darts", clerks "chairborne rangers". Calling other branches or career fields derogatory names is a time honored tradition in likely every military in history and promotes unit pride and competitiveness.
Any of the other founding Legion chapters should have gotten the first suppliment before Ultramorons, since Codex Space Marine is Codex Ultramarine for all intents and purposes since the UM follow the codex to the letter. A suppliment of marines should have additional rules and units for chapters that are close but not exactly codex. I would go so far as to say most of the chapters presented in the codex should be out and lesser known chapters like the Black Dragons, Fire Hawks, Rainbow Warriors(snicker) and Marine Malevolent should have been the ones presented with a suppliment with their own chapter tactics.
Anyone with an established reputation (we can use the rumour tracker for this, >60% accuracy and more than 25 shared, separate rumours maybe?) we give access to a moderated thread which is somewhat like the GW sticky, effectively a transmit only thread, and discussion is conducted elsewhere.
I can see an argument against this, as it isn't really in the manner of Dakka to be as controlling as some other sites, but if it means we can get people to come here with news first and without fear of being attacked or ridiculed (but with the option to participate in the discussion if they want, but also the ability to simply not see it if they prefer) that can only be good for the site, can't it?
I think this is not a bad idea but I can see some problems. 1) It gives me a lot of power. 2) This is the kind of thing that you would need to get Yak to sign off on probably and I don't know that he wants to get into this kind of business. 3) It exposes Yak to liability for leaks depending on the type of 'rumor' 4) you have to convince the rumor monger that it is in their best interest to come here, even with their own thread.
Maybe something to bring up in Nuts and Bolts.
1) Well, you know what great power comes with don't you?
2) Fair point
3) I can't see how Yak would be liable if the info is still being posted by users of a public forum? Sure, if something crosses some sort of line, there may be some sort of takedown notice, and that may be unwanted hassle, but I can't see it going further than that.
4) Yes, perhaps we need some sort of "cute and fluffy" delegate to send out into cyberspace and persuade them (not volunteering!)
I'll repost this in N+B as well, see what the feedback is.
Scrub wrote:Blood Angels, Imperial Guard AND the possibility of Brettonians?
Awesome!
I hope that Harry or Hastings can corroborate/debunk this soon, however.
Neither Harry nor Hastings really take much interest in that sort of thing anymore.
Kroothawk wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:I guess he has to post via Faeit because nobody else will take him seriously.
Faeit212 posts anything resembling rumours, Warseer hunts down any rumour monger on sight.
MasterSlowPoke wrote:Because he repeats what other people have said first, that TRUE value is much higher than it should be.
That is not true. He was the first to get the Necron release date right, also several details of the Necron design, one year in advance.
His speculation on a "summer of flyers" became reality one year later than he thought.
His sources are from an early stage of production, therefore prone to changes in details and timescale.
Most of his misses are recent (change of source?), although I admit that his release schedule predictions are not his strong suit.
Well said. Plus, I'm not sure how much of his predictions turn out to be "false" or "vague" so much as way ahead of schedule and thus in the wrong order.
Well said. Plus, I'm not sure how much of his predictions turn out to be "false" or "vague" so much as way ahead of schedule and thus in the wrong order.
I would wager he's nailed the next few months.
I wouldn't take that wager. Last time he did a list like this he failed miserably (the infamous digital releases list).
Also, the last couple 'way ahead of schedule' rules sets he put out were waaaay off. Like not even playtest off.
Kirasu wrote: Can't say I'm "impressed" with all these supplements.. Feels like GW asked themselves "What items are the most cost effective to gouge our customers with"..
Books!
It's actually very well thought out, I would give it a 7 or 8 on the gouging index. People will buy the ridiculously over-priced digitial copy to get the rules early, then a few months later the paper copy. They might also buy the paper copy assuming that the typos and rule clarifications over ambiguously worded rules of the digital version will be rectified in the later release (*cough*)
If you find this unreasonable, consider that for Infinity Corvus Belli do the exact opposite of releasing the actual book first (which has new content on the inside as well as on the outside) and then release a free digital copy of the rules later on.
Captain Avatar wrote: Had to do a doubletake here. I initially read your "Ultramorons" comment as "Ultramormons". The resulting mental image of power armoured mormons going door to door with their literature and bolters was quite amusing.
Kroothawk wrote: That is not true. He was the first to get the Necron release date right, also several details of the Necron design, one year in advance.
His speculation on a "summer of flyers" became reality one year later than he thought.
You have a funny definition of "reality".
Flyers - June 2012
Before end of August 2012
Eldar dual kit. Fighter, bomber/heavy, transport. Heavy attack and transport share design
Tau fighter/gunship, size of stormtalon. new missiles options involving markerlights
Tau transport in codex
Dark eldar bomber in August
Third Necron Flyer in 2013-ish
Chimaera wrote: Be interesting to see what they do with the next Space Wolves codex but even more interestingly the 13GC supplement in this list.
May even have the man himself in it or at least expand on his whereabouts and background a bit more?
UNlikely. It will probably be similar to the last time we got a 13th company list. Chances of putting a Primarch in a 40k codex? Low.
Aren't all the primarchs either dead/missing/entombed in the 40k universe? I would think that makes it impossible to put one of them in a 40k codex.
Not that it wouldn't be awesome to have the Russ back. I would totally start a Space Wolves army.
Avian wrote:
Flyers - June 2012 Before end of August 2012 Eldar dual kit. Fighter, bomber/heavy, transport. Heavy attack and transport share design Tau fighter/gunship, size of stormtalon. new missiles options involving markerlights Tau transport in codex Dark eldar bomber in August Third Necron Flyer in 2013-ish
One out of six turned out more or less true.
Yikes. I have to give props to the Rumor Tracking thread. It sheds light into who or what are/is making the claims. Clearly Stickmonkey has a Magic 8 Ball that he relies on.
Kroothawk wrote: That is not true. He was the first to get the Necron release date right, also several details of the Necron design, one year in advance.
His speculation on a "summer of flyers" became reality one year later than he thought.
You have a funny definition of "reality".
Flyers - June 2012
Before end of August 2012
Eldar dual kit. Fighter, bomber/heavy, transport. Heavy attack and transport share design
Tau fighter/gunship, size of stormtalon. new missiles options involving markerlights
Tau transport in codex
Dark eldar bomber in August
Third Necron Flyer in 2013-ish
One out of six turned out more or less true.
Wasn't that the second wave rumor, and not the "summer of flyers" rumor that predated pretre's tracking? IE completely different.
You are kind of correct. Here's the original rumor from 2011 which is being added to the tracker now:
Spoiler:
Summer of Flyers - Jan 2011 Still rumored as July wd rule set FALSE Apoc style rules, strafing/bombing runs, rapid insertion/extraction, special missions, dogfighting? PARTIALLY TRUE Thunder hawk is NOT likely TRUE Codex based releases... Dark eldar raven TRUE Eldar night wing? FALSE Ig hydra FALSE Nid harpy FALSE Non codex releases... Ig thunderbolt FALSE Csm hell blade FALSE Tau remora FALSE No necron release? FALSE Ork fighta/bomma TRUE No SM release? FALSE
Suspected non codex releases will only be rules...models already FW... FALSE
Puscifer wrote: I really hope this is correct. I love the Nid fluff and I'm just starting a Nid army.
Fingers crossed.
Tyranids being next in 40k is not in question, only if it is November or January/February.
I have heard rumors that it could be as far out as April. Do we have a consensus of rumor to say that Nids are next for 40K?
I didn't see a Hive Fleet Leviathan supplement listed which is strange. Is there any word on what these different hive fleets are gonna be sporting to make them unique? Could this also be the way the Nids get to expand FOC by adding different allied hive fleets much in the same way space marines get to?
pretre wrote: You are kind of correct. Here's the original rumor from 2011 which is being added to the tracker now:
Spoiler:
Summer of Flyers - Jan 2011
Still rumored as July wd rule set FALSE Apoc style rules, strafing/bombing runs, rapid insertion/extraction, special missions, dogfighting? PARTIALLY TRUE Thunder hawk is NOT likely TRUE Codex based releases...
Dark eldar raven TRUE Eldar night wing? FALSE Ig hydra FALSE Nid harpy FALSE Non codex releases...
Ig thunderbolt FALSE Csm hell blade FALSE Tau remora FALSE No necron release? FALSE Ork fighta/bomma TRUE No SM release? FALSE
Suspected non codex releases will only be rules...models already FW... FALSE
Necrons may get something with their codex. TRUE
Raven/night wing likely to be combined kit. FALSE
Good job as always.
But I wouldn't really give him a point for saying there will not be a plastic Thunderhawk. It's a... slippery slope.
lord_blackfang wrote: But I wouldn't really give him a point for saying there will not be a plastic Thunderhawk. It's a... slippery slope.
Well, to be fair, there have been several people who have come out and said there would be one over the years, so I was giving him points for taking a stand, even if it isn't a strong one.
Chimaera wrote: Be interesting to see what they do with the next Space Wolves codex but even more interestingly the 13GC supplement in this list.
May even have the man himself in it or at least expand on his whereabouts and background a bit more?
UNlikely. It will probably be similar to the last time we got a 13th company list. Chances of putting a Primarch in a 40k codex? Low.
Aren't all the primarchs either dead/missing/entombed in the 40k universe? I would think that makes it impossible to put one of them in a 40k codex.
Not that it wouldn't be awesome to have the Russ back. I would totally start a Space Wolves army.
Avian wrote:
Flyers - June 2012
Before end of August 2012
Eldar dual kit. Fighter, bomber/heavy, transport. Heavy attack and transport share design
Tau fighter/gunship, size of stormtalon. new missiles options involving markerlights
Tau transport in codex
Dark eldar bomber in August
Third Necron Flyer in 2013-ish
One out of six turned out more or less true.
Yikes. I have to give props to the Rumor Tracking thread. It sheds light into who or what are/is making the claims. Clearly Stickmonkey has a Magic 8 Ball that he relies on.
Well Russ headed off with the 13th GC and then his background/whereabouts go a bit cold.
The 13th seem to pop up here and there to assist some imperial group under threat of destruction but Russ is not with them or at least spotted.
Be good if the new Codex gave some sort of pointer to his whereabouts even if not with the 13th or captured by Chaos.
His promise to the Wolves that he will return when the chapter is in mortal peril is also an interesting play/ bit of fluff.
I look forward to the FW version of him. Should be awesome!
If anyone else has any background info on his whereabouts feel free to chime in.
I don't see how anyone else would have extra background on Leman Russ... Everything we know is in the books. GW wants the story to be vague and that's how you write decent back story is you leave it up to the players to imagine where he has been.
Although it's hard to imagine the Primarchs who went into the warp as still alive.. the ones who didn't go into the warp couldn't be bothered to stay alive and the warp is a lot more dangerous!
Kirasu wrote:I don't see how anyone else would have extra background on Leman Russ... Everything we know is in the books. GW wants the story to be vague and that's how you write decent back story is you leave it up to the players to imagine where he has been.
Although it's hard to imagine the Primarchs who went into the warp as still alive.. the ones who didn't go into the warp couldn't be bothered to stay alive and the warp is a lot more dangerous!
Chimaera wrote: Be interesting to see what they do with the next Space Wolves codex but even more interestingly the 13GC supplement in this list.
May even have the man himself in it or at least expand on his whereabouts and background a bit more?
UNlikely. It will probably be similar to the last time we got a 13th company list. Chances of putting a Primarch in a 40k codex? Low.
Aren't all the primarchs either dead/missing/entombed in the 40k universe? I would think that makes it impossible to put one of them in a 40k codex.
Not that it wouldn't be awesome to have the Russ back. I would totally start a Space Wolves army.
Avian wrote:
Flyers - June 2012
Before end of August 2012
Eldar dual kit. Fighter, bomber/heavy, transport. Heavy attack and transport share design
Tau fighter/gunship, size of stormtalon. new missiles options involving markerlights
Tau transport in codex
Dark eldar bomber in August
Third Necron Flyer in 2013-ish
One out of six turned out more or less true.
Yikes. I have to give props to the Rumor Tracking thread. It sheds light into who or what are/is making the claims. Clearly Stickmonkey has a Magic 8 Ball that he relies on.
Well Russ headed off with the 13th GC and then his background/whereabouts go a bit cold.
The 13th seem to pop up here and there to assist some imperial group under threat of destruction but Russ is not with them or at least spotted.
Be good if the new Codex gave some sort of pointer to his whereabouts even if not with the 13th or captured by Chaos.
His promise to the Wolves that he will return when the chapter is in mortal peril is also an interesting play/ bit of fluff.
I look forward to the FW version of him. Should be awesome!
If anyone else has any background info on his whereabouts feel free to chime in.
@ Kirasu; not all of them, as primarchs are immortal for all intents and purposes
@Chimaera; in one of the space wolfs books by BL the deamon primarch magnus said something happened to russ
l0k1 wrote: If Draigo can live in the Warp I'm sure Russ could.
But Draigo is a Mat Ward creation. They don't follow the same rules as everyone else.
The warp is inimical to life - that has always been the background going back twenty years or more, and since it was first conceptualised.
One piece of background, that was written either meant as metaphor/overblown legend, or it just a poor piece of writing (it could be either really) does not change that.
Kirasu wrote:Can't say I'm "impressed" with all these supplements.. Feels like GW asked themselves "What items are the most cost effective to gouge our customers with"..
Books!
Yes, it's nice my armies get supplements but if the previous ones are any indication.. I'm paying a lot of money for fluff they may or may not butcher and some poorly thought out rules.
Maybe I'll be surprised and the quality will increase. In the meantime you're paying twice for each codex basically..
The Supplements aren't required for play, so nobody is "gouged". People have to voluntarily hand over their money for them, you know...
They also can't really butcher the fluff; seeing as how they invented and own it, they can do with it whatever they want.
Col. Dash wrote:Oh and calling UM Ultramorons is analogous to the US army calling the Marines "Jarheads" or paratroopers "dirt darts", clerks "chairborne rangers". Calling other branches or career fields derogatory names is a time honored tradition in likely every military in history and promotes unit pride and competitiveness.
Any of the other founding Legion chapters should have gotten the first suppliment before Ultramorons, since Codex Space Marine is Codex Ultramarine for all intents and purposes since the UM follow the codex to the letter. A suppliment of marines should have additional rules and units for chapters that are close but not exactly codex. I would go so far as to say most of the chapters presented in the codex should be out and lesser known chapters like the Black Dragons, Fire Hawks, Rainbow Warriors(snicker) and Marine Malevolent should have been the ones presented with a suppliment with their own chapter tactics.
We have no right to say which Legion "should have" gotten a Supplement first. They are completely a labor-of-love thing (GW's own words). The Supplements are completed based on inspiration, and aren't going to dramatically change or shape the meta. The Ultramarines may closely adhere to the Index Astartes, but they have diverted, and they have successor chapters. Also, they are the most tactically flexible of all the Space Marines, and a Supplement offers a way to flesh that out further.
Finally, THE SPACE MARINES CODEX IS NOT CODEX ULTRAMARINES!!! Essentially or otherwise. Each chapter gets play time in the book; sure, the UM's get more special characters, but GW wasn't going to delete any either. In reading through the thing, I can tell you it doesn't even feel like Codex Ultramarines.
Back on topic: I hope for Tyranids in November too.
xruslanx wrote: draigo didn't actually live there did he? I thought it was more like a crusade or compaign into the warp.
No, he lives there. Occasionally pops back into the real world but the majority of his time is spent in the warp.
This. He basically hangs out in there all the time, but comes back to visit and remind the Grey Knights that he's technically still in charge.
I love how the Inquisition doesn't constantly question them or Draigo for being lead by a guy who spends more time in the Warp than anywhere else.
What's more asinine than the Draigo fluff itself, was a new player in my area who bought into it. Like...he really loved it. He's like 35 years old and was gushing about how cool Draigo is; how he's the heir to the Emperor's throne, etc.
i usually sneer at people who hate on matt ward's fluff but that is pretty stupid. The inquisition wouldn't allow a company of armoured psychic knights led by a dude who actually resides in the warp. I get that gk would be allowed much more leniancy in such matters than say, an imperial commander, or even a space marine. But that is taking the piss.
xruslanx wrote: i usually sneer at people who hate on matt ward's fluff but that is pretty stupid. The inquisition wouldn't allow a company of armoured psychic knights led by a dude who actually resides in the warp. I get that gk would be allowed much more leniancy in such matters than say, an imperial commander, or even a space marine. But that is taking the piss.
I have no real problems with Matt Ward's stuff. Draigo was really the major offense, and people have just attached it to everything he does. He made the Necron fluff 100% better than it ever was before, that's for sure. He also writes good rules (once 6th edition rotated in, that is).
Captain Avatar wrote: Had to do a doubletake here. I initially read your "Ultramorons" comment as "Ultramormons". The resulting mental image of power armoured mormons going door to door with their literature and bolters was quite amusing.
Thanks for the unintended chuckle, later.
Word Bearers maybe?
Spoiler:
Brilliant!
Hey, were did my post go? Can't find the one you quoted in the thread. Oh well, can't worry about such now, I gotta get ready for when the space mormons come knocking on the door.
I know the odds are poor, but I want to believe. I want to be able to dramatically throw my cadians in the air, and buy all the steel legion. Please let that be true.
What about Death Korps of Krieg, or there are already many 3rd party producers who do guys who look similar (Victorias miniatures, Pig Iron productions to name but 2?)
I have no real problems with Matt Ward's stuff. Draigo was really the major offense, and people have just attached it to everything he does. He made the Necron fluff 100% better than it ever was before, that's for sure. He also writes good rules (once 6th edition rotated in, that is).
Agree about the Necrons completely, before there wasn't really too much to them (although it kind of highlights the great difficulty for codex writers these days - in the static setting of the universe, change anything, even something minor like making devastators rookie marines, and you get fans of the previous version of events berating you... the alternative is to write everything as before, swap around a few ands and whats, and then get labelled as boring.. )
As for Draigo I always thought it was meant to be taken as the future account of some epic legend, rather than to be taken literally. "And lo, Draigo did bestride the warp and fell the great daemon beast mortarion, his mark forever made on the heart of the traitor primarch son" - that kind of thing. Same too with Calgar blocking a valley solo against an orc army for a 'day and a night'. You have to think - what fits better with established background and plausibility; heroic legend of events, blown out of proportion in history, or a warrior a) surviving in the environment that would mean instant obliteration to anyone else and then b) defeating possibly one of the toughest guys in the galaxy, on his home turf, and pwning him so badly that he can 'carve his name into him' (reference to the movie Predator possibly? )
It's so overblown and implausible that you have to think that it is not meant to be taken in a literal sense - and that Ward has carefully navigated the problem I stated above of not being able to re-write the existing history, but instead has just come up with a kind of 'ancient historical account' type version... +EDIT+ Actually, not ridicule ward - I mean that really it is up to us to choose which was we want to read in the background, and to use the provided roll-eye emoticons with people who genuinely believe a single marine could hold of an entire ork army for 48 hours by himself, or an astartes could beat a daemon Primarch (in the warp), and wonder whether they have read any of the other Black library or background material to believe that such things are possible?
Pacific wrote: What about Death Korps of Krieg, or there are already many 3rd party producers who do guys who look similar (Victorias miniatures, Pig Iron productions to name but 2?)
I have no real problems with Matt Ward's stuff. Draigo was really the major offense, and people have just attached it to everything he does. He made the Necron fluff 100% better than it ever was before, that's for sure. He also writes good rules (once 6th edition rotated in, that is).
Agree about the Necrons completely, before there wasn't really too much to them (although it kind of highlights the great difficulty for codex writers these days - in the static setting of the universe, change anything, even something minor like making devastators rookie marines, and you get fans of the previous version of events berating you... the alternative is to write everything as before, swap around a few ands and whats, and then get labelled as boring.. )
As for Draigo I always thought it was meant to be taken as the future account of some epic legend, rather than to be taken literally. "And lo, Draigo did bestride the warp and fell the great daemon beast mortarion, his mark forever made on the heart of the traitor primarch son" - that kind of thing. Same too with Calgar blocking a valley solo against an orc army for a 'day and a night'. You have to think - what fits better with established background and plausibility; heroic legend of events, blown out of proportion in history, or a warrior a) surviving in the environment that would mean instant obliteration to anyone else and then b) defeating possibly one of the toughest guys in the galaxy, on his home turf, and pwning him so badly that he can 'carve his name into him' (reference to the movie Predator possibly? )
It's so overblown and implausible that you have to think that it is not meant to be taken in a literal sense - and that Ward has carefully navigated the problem I stated above of not being able to re-write the existing history, but instead has just come up with a kind of 'ancient historical account' type version... Of course, I may be giving him far too much credit, and in which case we're dealing with the kind of childish narrative that most of us should feel fully justified in ridiculing
THIS!!!
I agree with you completely.
I would even go as far as calling a lot of the IOM fluff propaganda.
Anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:- NO Mystery-Box
- Dark Elves will be spread over 2 months (October + November) because all but 3 boxes will be remade. It’s going to be the largest release this year and will be followed by some events in the GW Games Stores.
- Tyranids are delayed till January (It was mentioned that they always were to be released in January but i’m not able to proof that)
- Supplements will not be released more than one per month but will see a regularly release every month next year like the codices were this year and will indeed have new model waves.
- the boxes for the Christmas packs will include just valuable units. It’s questionable what this means but I guess they want to sell them this time and therefore go with common units/-combinations
Anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Dark Elves First Month
Advanced order/white dwarf from Sat 28th Sept. (so the studio can talk about them at UKGD)
On shelves Sat 5th Oct.
-most of the plastics already mentioned-
Second month
Advanced order/White dwarf from Sat 26th Oct.
On shelves Sat 2nd Nov.
-even more plastic crack Inc. Shadowblade plastic clampack by far the best model of range IMHO
Release Schedule
September - 1st Dark Elves Advanced Orders/ On the Shelf October 5th
October - 2nd Dark ElvesAdvanced Orders/ On the Shelf November 2nd
November - Desolation of Smaug and dark elf army box pre-orders/ Released December 7th
December: Tyranids Pre-Orders/ Released January 4th
40k Radio wrote:People, Tyranids are not pushed back, they have always been slated for January.
Oct: Dark Elves
Nov: Holiday Releases(boxed army type stuff)
Dec: Hobbit
Jan: Tyranids
Feb: Dwarfs
March: IG
Anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:- NO Mystery-Box
- Dark Elves will be spread over 2 months (October + November) because all but 3 boxes will be remade. It’s going to be the largest release this year and will be followed by some events in the GW Games Stores.
- Tyranids are delayed till January (It was mentioned that they always were to be released in January but i’m not able to proof that)
- Supplements will not be released more than one per month but will see a regularly release every month next year like the codices were this year and will indeed have new model waves.
- the boxes for the Christmas packs will include just valuable units. It’s questionable what this means but I guess they want to sell them this time and therefore go with common units/-combinations
Anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Dark Elves First Month
Advanced order/white dwarf from Sat 28th Sept. (so the studio can talk about them at UKGD)
On shelves Sat 5th Oct.
-most of the plastics already mentioned-
Second month
Advanced order/White dwarf from Sat 26th Oct.
On shelves Sat 2nd Nov.
-even more plastic crack Inc. Shadowblade plastic clampack by far the best model of range IMHO
Release Schedule
September - 1st Dark Elves Advanced Orders/ On the Shelf October 5th
October - 2nd Dark ElvesAdvanced Orders/ On the Shelf November 2nd
November - Desolation of Smaug and dark elf army box pre-orders/ Released December 7th
December: Tyranids Pre-Orders/ Released January 4th
40k Radio wrote:People, Tyranids are not pushed back, they have always been slated for January.
Oct: Dark Elves
Nov: Holiday Releases(boxed army type stuff)
Dec: Hobbit
Jan: Tyranids
Feb: Dwarfs
March: IG
Why are there no links to the original sources you rustled these from?
I'm not sure how the rest of you feel, but I just lose interest whenever I see a fantasy release slot. The system and model range has never appealed to me in the least, though if they're doing a big Dark Elves release, there's some hope that perhaps some of the 40k armies in more dire need of updates might see a more comprehensive model release somewhere down the line.
brassangel wrote: He made the Necron fluff 100% better than it ever was before, that's for sure.
He took an alien and mysterious force unlike anything in 40k that had interesting implications for the setting and turned them into Space Khemri. Better indeed.
He took an alien and mysterious force unlike anything in 40k that had interesting implications for the setting and turned them into Space Khemri. Better indeed.
He took an extremely one-dimensional one-trick pony that had shat all over all pre-existing 40K fluff and turned it into a varied, customizable and hobby-friendly background that hobbyists can adapt, play with, campaign with, and "make their own" in a million different ways that were all impossibly by the needlessly rigid "oldCron" fluff.
Bulldogging wrote: I could have sworn there was a rumor of a Salamander supplement around the same time as Steel Legion. Is that no longer on the radar?
That was part of the whole "Warzone Armageddon" rumor which made little sense, as it was not only wishlisty in the extreme but ignored the fact that Warzone Armageddon already exists in the Apoc II book.
schadenfreude wrote: I have too much hope pinned on Alpha legion supplement because I know GW is only building hope in order to crush it.
The fluffy thing for them to do is downgrade deamons to allies of convenience and upgrade IG to battle brothers.
I'd be very surprised if any of the supplements changes anything of significance in the allies table, FOC or introduced anything other than one of weapons.
If the White scars, Black Legion, Farsight, Hive Fleet Behemoth and Ultramarines hard copies are coming out two months later than the digital copies then would it not be logical to conclude that the Alpha legion hard copy will come out in March and Steel Legion in April?
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also are there any rumors about Necrons 6th?
Are there any other whispers out there about Steel legion dex/models? After finally reading Helsreach I really want to have some steel legion allies but should I just wait or are these rumours too farfetched?
Way way to early to be thinking about necrons. They just had an update. If you think about it though assuming that the pace for releases stays the same as it is now then you can plan to look for them after nids, ig, ork, sisters, BA, SW, DE, and GK, so if they are gonna continue to do what four armies a year? than you can start looking around the end of 2015 or early 2016. If they go back to the pace that they had been going before 6th ed... Then you can start to look for necrons in 2018. But in all seriousness you should not be asking for rumors for things just reading the rumors that pop up...
rothrich wrote: Way way to early to be thinking about necrons. They just had an update.
Really? When was this?
I can't tell if you're kidding...but I also can't resist the bait.
They came out right before 6th edition, and the rules within their codex were clearly written for 6th edition (as they just didn't function well in 5th). They've had FAQ's since then, as well as kick-ass Forgeworld releases. They were also featured in an Imperial Armor book as well. Granted, GW has said that Supplements will come only for the books that have hardbound 6th edition representation, but that's not to say they won't consider a Dynasty Supplement of some sort down the road.
So i've got some juicy SOB rumors from a reliable source along with Greyknights. (they go hand in hand)
SOB:
Saint Celestine gets a big overhaul in fluff, now Brother CeleStan and Str10-ap1. (Rumor says GK can take him too as HQ though he has Nemesis force armor.)
Same point cost.
Lose exorcist
Rhino's now in heavy slot
Seraphem lose jumpack.
Grey knights:
Gain exorcist
Rhino's are now free with squads of 10
New jump HQ with melta that has an ability to get a 2+ invuln
No Draigo
Paladins are 3 wounds EW and drop 3 points
New upgrades and wargear:
Nemisis force armour: When a model suffers one or more unsaved wound, armor deals the number of unsaved wounds back to the unit that originally dealt them, counts as force weapon hits can activate force armour to ID, no saves allowed.
Psych-in grenades: Drops psycher to int 1 if they charge.
New USR: Before the game begins but after deployment roll a d6 for every grey knight unit on the board, on any result of 2+ you win the game, no saves allowed and opponent dropped to int 1 can activate force weapons to immediately gain all enemy models and money in his/her wallet.
DufenDorgen wrote: So i've got some juicy SOB rumors from a reliable source along with Greyknights. (they go hand in hand)
SOB:
Saint Celestine gets a big overhaul in fluff, now Brother CeleStan and Str10-ap1. (Rumor says GK can take him too as HQ though he has Nemesis force armor.)
Same point cost.
Lose exorcist
Rhino's now in heavy slot
Seraphem lose jumpack.
Grey knights:
Gain exorcist
Rhino's are now free with squads of 10
New jump HQ with melta that has an ability to get a 2+ invuln
No Draigo
Paladins are 3 wounds EW and drop 3 points
New upgrades and wargear:
Nemisis force armour: When a model suffers one or more unsaved wound, armor deals the number of unsaved wounds back to the unit that originally dealt them, counts as force weapon hits can activate force armour to ID, no saves allowed.
Psych-in grenades: Drops psycher to int 1 if they charge.
New USR: Before the game begins but after deployment roll a d6 for every grey knight unit on the board, on any result of 2+ you win the game, no saves allowed and opponent dropped to int 1 can activate force weapons to immediately gain all enemy models and money in his/her wallet.
DufenDorgen wrote: So i've got some juicy SOB rumors from a reliable source along with Greyknights. (they go hand in hand)
SOB:
Saint Celestine gets a big overhaul in fluff, now Brother CeleStan and Str10-ap1. (Rumor says GK can take him too as HQ though he has Nemesis force armor.)
Same point cost.
Lose exorcist
Rhino's now in heavy slot
Seraphem lose jumpack.
Grey knights:
Gain exorcist
Rhino's are now free with squads of 10
New jump HQ with melta that has an ability to get a 2+ invuln
No Draigo
Paladins are 3 wounds EW and drop 3 points
New upgrades and wargear:
Nemisis force armour: When a model suffers one or more unsaved wound, armor deals the number of unsaved wounds back to the unit that originally dealt them, counts as force weapon hits can activate force armour to ID, no saves allowed.
Psych-in grenades: Drops psycher to int 1 if they charge.
New USR: Before the game begins but after deployment roll a d6 for every grey knight unit on the board, on any result of 2+ you win the game, no saves allowed and opponent dropped to int 1 can activate force weapons to immediately gain all enemy models and money in his/her wallet.
I find it amusing how Mr Prediction Monkey, with his extensive list of rumoured releases, completely missed the Sentinels of Terra supplement, which is supposedly the first one out.
October: dark elves wfb - Did he post this before or after the leaks hit? White scars supplement digital - I thought it was Fists according to the leaked picture?
Avian wrote: I find it amusing how Mr Prediction Monkey, with his extensive list of rumoured releases, completely missed the Sentinels of Terra supplement, which is supposedly the first one out.
And with all this detailed info on the digital releases, how did he miss the Sisters of Battle digital codex?
November: Nothing about the DE second wave? Seriously? How can you have a release schedule and miss that?
December: Bundles for fantasy and 40k - This is just a guess. No details means he's pulling stuff out of the air based on what happened in previous years.
Yet another thing not mentioned by mr Unconnected Monkey: Iron Hands supplement for November. Not on his schedule whatsoever. No Ultramarines supplement. That makes nothing correct so far for the first two months. Who's suprised? Hopefully nobody.
Grain o' salt withstanding.
No freaking Red Corsairs?!?! These guys SO need a supplement codex.
AND, where are the Salamanders?! I would like an Iron Warriors as well.
Meh, I am here for the long haul. If GW make it...<sigh>
GuardRalph wrote: Grain o' salt withstanding.
No freaking Red Corsairs?!?! These guys SO need a supplement codex.
AND, where are the Salamanders?! I would like an Iron Warriors as well.
Meh, I am here for the long haul. If GW make it...<sigh>
rothrich wrote: Way way to early to be thinking about necrons. They just had an update.
Really? When was this?
2 years ago.
...Really?! Your complaining about two years when almost every other codex is almost 4 years old try being a Dark Eldar fan before there update, or trying being a SOB fan now were getting a prettier white dwarf update and no models yay!
...Really?! Your complaining about two years when almost every other codex is almost 4 years old try being a Dark Eldar fan before there update, or trying being a SOB fan now were getting a prettier white dwarf update and no models yay!
...Really?! Your complaining about two years when almost every other codex is almost 4 years old try being a Dark Eldar fan before there update, or trying being a SOB fan now were getting a prettier white dwarf update and no models yay!
Who was complaining? Calm down.
On top of that, with the current release schedule policy, no one will be waiting very long for fully fledged updates and Supplements.
Anonymous source over at Faeit 212 wrote:Based upon current information, the remaining 40k codexes will release in alternating imperial and xenos releases:
Tyranids
Imperial Guard
Orks
Blood Angels
Dark Eldar
Space Wolves
Necrons
Grey Knights
This covers all current outstanding codexes that have not been touched in 6th edition. (As much as people hate it, SOB have a new codex).
No independent deathwatch codex mentioned for third arm of the inquisition, may appear as a supplement to SM around the ork release, MAYBE.
Stickmonkey over at Faeit 212 wrote:Just as an add to your release schedule post… I’ve had some unconfirmed info that GW is targeting two 40k release months for each non 40k release month. If true, then we could see eight 40k months out of 2014…
(...)
I personally expect 6 this next year. I think if Fantasy is getting a reboot that we will have a little more focus there, and even with the faster pace, we still had nothing major in December. I’m thinking 6 40k codex, 2 Fantasy army books and the 9th update. A 40k supplement. December/Hobbit 3 and one month up in the air, but probably fantasy.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't stickmonkey basically been discredited? We don't have a single reliable rumour past Orks for anything save vague rumblings of a new Fantasy edition sometime in the next year.
Regardless, there's no reason to doubt all the 5th ed books will be updated within this year if the past is any precedent. Think of it, a 40k edition when everyone's up to date. The only thing they'll have left to do is fixing the first few releases....
MajorStoffer wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't stickmonkey basically been discredited? We don't have a single reliable rumour past Orks for anything save vague rumblings of a new Fantasy edition sometime in the next year.
He qualifies his post as "unconfirmed info" and "personal expectation", so ...
That's where they live 
