This week's Planet Mongoose rules article for the Judge Dredd miniatures game is Dino Rampage, a set of rules to get toy dinosaurs fighting your lovingly cared for force - and you don't even need an opponent!

You can read on how to introduce dinosaurs into your games here;

http://blog.mongoosepublishing.co.uk/?p=705

Because everything is better with dinosaurs...

Why is Rebellion software also listed on the box?

I believe they actually bought 2000AD back in the day! Presumably at the peak of their AvP money.

 BrookM wrote:
Why is Rebellion software also listed on the box?

Rebellion publish 2000AD, the source material for the game.

Ahhh, okay, thanks for the clarification.

Well, guess I'll wait until this one is up at Warlord and see what this is going to cost me.

 BrookM wrote:
Ahhh, okay, thanks for the clarification.

Well, guess I'll wait until this one is up at Warlord and see what this is going to cost me.

Per the link: £75.00

metal? plastic? resin? Given the price I'd guess metal.

All metal.

Do we not even have a listing of what is in the box just "a full force"?

 Foda_Bett wrote:
Do we not even have a listing of what is in the box just "a full force"?

http://store.warlordgames.com/products/judge-dredd-starter-set?utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=1a9343be01-Newsletter_15_November_201311_15_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed-1a9343be01-121439234

The warlord listing is clearer. You get the rules, the justice department boxed set (8 metal figures), the street gang boxed set (8 metal figures), 2 metal special figures (1 judge, 1 punk) and a quick start guide.

It's a good value, £90 worth of models and books, plus two extra minis and a quick-start set, for £75, not bad in my books. Plus, no pre-ordering or anything, it's on sale right now, even better!

For those curious about the contents of both gangs:

Judges: 1 Street Judge, 1 female Psi-Judge, 2 Cadet Judges, Street Judge with two Lawgivers, Riot Judge with riot shield, Riot Judge with Riot Foam and 1 Specialist Weapons Judge.



Punks: 6 Juves, 1 Punk Psychic, 1 Punk with heavy weapon.



And the two exclusives:

ooh! an AT-ST pilot!

I've really grown to like this game.

And for someone who had a massive hate on for Mongoose in the past, thats saying something.

As to the two batches of figures in the set- they are some good starters, and you can use the other figures in the line to add to the game. The book is massive, and the amount of information in there is worth the money. The figures have been priced pretty good for the value, and theres a heck of a selection now.

Alongside this, there is a good amount of info out there from the RPG that you could do some real damage and P and P out your gangs and lawdogs.

I'd really like to see the rest of the vehicles and stuff, but from the small kickstart beginning from the dogturd that was GoMC1, the game has really grown leaps and bounds and the improvements are amazing in scope and the resulting new game is really, really good.

I already have most of thsi stuff, but I may have to buy it just to get duplicates and to get friends into the game.

S t, I got burned so hard on Starship Troopers, but this looks very nice. The figs are metal though, and you don't get a ton for your money. Very telling that Mongoose couldn't be arsed to spring for plastic models.

Still... I'm a sucker for LE figures...

It would be cool if it came with a free comic or something, for those that aren't too up on what Judge Dredd is.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

There are people who don't know about Judge Dredd? Although a comic would have been cool!

Love the box art, the miniatures don't look like the best thing ever made, but when you see them at their 28mm scale I think are pretty cool. That one punk miniature was a member of my Mordheim Pirate gang called 'Roger the cabin boy' for many years

That's one Xmas present sorted out in any case!

 chris_valera wrote:
S t, I got burned so hard on Starship Troopers, but this looks very nice. The figs are metal though, and you don't get a ton for your money. Very telling that Mongoose couldn't be arsed to spring for plastic models.

Still... I'm a sucker for LE figures...

It would be cool if it came with a free comic or something, for those that aren't too up on what Judge Dredd is.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

It's a skirmish game. Plastic just isn't feasible on this scale with such a small market.

I wouldn't be too worried about it being dropped either as thankfully Warlord is handling most of this and they're a great company.

A pity. I had been cautiously optimistic as Judge Dredd seems to be one of the few miniatures lines that Mongoose actually tries to keep supporting.

Those miniatures kill any interest for me, though.

I've been enjoying my kickstarter goodies after me and a friend went for the 500 pledge. The game is excellent. Some miniatures are decidedly old school in style... Some are literally old school. YMMV, I'm torn between loving and hating some at the same time. The bonus of the skirmish gamer is that if you don't want to play a Judge team there's a wealth of alternative miniatures. Punks, Gangsters, Citi Def, Vigilantes, Robots and Apes are all easy to represent without touching a Mongoose miniature. And the new Soviet and Brit Cit Judges are lovely. Mega City One Judges are a bit flakey in art style but I believe that's because Mongoose were trying to imitate the various artists who have worked on the comic.

I'd like to know if you can pick your two starter boxes. I'd be happy to lose out on the ltd edition miniatures to be able to pick two box sets which might appeal more or let me create a thematic intro scenario straight from the comic.

I like the old school look of the line. This being said it certainly has some terrible sculpts. However, amongst these are some nice minis.

Oh yeah, there's some hits, some misses and some horrendous own goals.

How do Mongoose's range size up with the ones from Wargames Foundry?

I think that Judge Dredd is calling out for multi-part plastic (and some better sculpts...)

Matt had mentioned the possibility of multipart plastics for Apocalypse War on the Mongoose forums at some point.

Does anybody know if there are any US gaming sites that carry this product ? I have tried miniaturemarket and trollandtoad with no success.

I saw this being sold by several traders for £65 at an event today. Looks good, and there's all those other boxes of minis like the Dark Judges and Angel Gang too.

For a complete look at the miniatures range, check here: http://store.warlordgames.com/collections/judge-dredd

snaggled wrote:
Does anybody know if there are any US gaming sites that carry this product ? I have tried miniaturemarket and trollandtoad with no success.

www.frpgames.com carries it.

Mongoose says that they have a US warehouse.

I don't know if that's true any more they just did a bunch of re-organisation which killed off at least a part of their US operation (the casting for certain)

 Surtur wrote:
It's a skirmish game. Plastic just isn't feasible on this scale with such a small market.

That's a s t excuse. Necromunda had plastic figures GoMC1 had plastic figures. They could easily have knocked up a sprue of the basic two starter gangs, or kickstartered it. In fact they already had plastic gangers from the previous game. Making plastic forces would have dropped down the cost of the box set considerably. As it is, it's like $100 for 18 metal figures. That's woeful value.

 judgedoug wrote:
Matt had mentioned the possibility of multipart plastics for Apocalypse War on the Mongoose forums at some point.

I'll be honest, Mongoose says a lot of things, and their track record on stuff is sketchy at best. Others would say even worse about them. Take a trip through TMP sometime.

Currently their MO seems to be to acquire a license, hype it up as being the second coming of gaming, fart out a ton of shoddy product, flog it all before the suckers get wise to it, and then drop it completely when the license goes tits up.

I gotta be honest, I'm not too eager to sign up for this roller coaster again.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

I have played this game quite a bit and its got an awful lot of fun elements and plays extremely quickly.

We normally manage 3-4 games in a couple of hours with reasonable numbers on each side - 6-8 models.

There is alot of character to the gangs - from the Fattie horde to Judge Cal and his meat eating Kleggs............both in terms of how they play and the models available - my fav is my Appoclaypse War Resistance unit - even if they do tend to run out of ammo at the worst moment...............

MGP can be a bit hit and miss with QC on their work but I have the rulebook and its lovely - plus their figures were pretty cool and very reflective of the source material. Warlord seem to be a good partner to have brought on board to get stuff done properly.

Lastly its incredably easy to customise and adapt for new ideas/settings - I knocked up some 40K rules very quickly that I am looking forward to trying........................

That's interesting to read Mr Morden! Seems like there is a lot of variety there..

I gotta be honest, I'm not too eager to sign up for this roller coaster again.

Come on man, it's £75 for a starter set, they are hardly asking for your first-born

I have somewhat more confidence in this now that Warlord are involved. They seem like a pretty professionally run outfit.

Warlord has been around for quite some time now, plus it is run by folks who are passionate about what they do.

While I was skeptical about this partnership at first, fearing for the well being of Warlord, I should've known that they wouldn't be doing this unless they knew it wouldn't cost them their company.


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Also, Warlord has free shipping, this starter included!

 chris_valera wrote:

 Surtur wrote:
It's a skirmish game. Plastic just isn't feasible on this scale with such a small market.

That's a s t excuse. Necromunda had plastic figures GoMC1 had plastic figures. They could easily have knocked up a sprue of the basic two starter gangs, or kickstartered it. In fact they already had plastic gangers from the previous game. Making plastic forces would have dropped down the cost of the box set considerably. As it is, it's like $100 for 18 metal figures. That's woeful value.
--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

I agree that plastic can certainly be produced for skirmish games. However, if the basis of the complaint is the price rather than the material, you will find that most other sci fi metals are more expensive than these Judge Dredd figures. Further, there are plenty of plastics that cost more. Take a look at Wyrds new plastics. They cost more than these metals.

In terms of the price of the starter, it includes a full hardback rulebook.

He just needs to complain about something, it's his schtick.

 spaceelf wrote:

 chris_valera wrote:

 Surtur wrote:
It's a skirmish game. Plastic just isn't feasible on this scale with such a small market.

That's a s t excuse. Necromunda had plastic figures GoMC1 had plastic figures. They could easily have knocked up a sprue of the basic two starter gangs, or kickstartered it. In fact they already had plastic gangers from the previous game. Making plastic forces would have dropped down the cost of the box set considerably. As it is, it's like $100 for 18 metal figures. That's woeful value.
--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

I agree that plastic can certainly be produced for skirmish games. However, if the basis of the complaint is the price rather than the material, you will find that most other sci fi metals are more expensive than these Judge Dredd figures. Further, there are plenty of plastics that cost more. Take a look at Wyrds new plastics. They cost more than these metals.

In terms of the price of the starter, it includes a full hardback rulebook.

To be fair though, Wyrd's plastics do *not* look as if they were pulled right out of the eighties.

I hope that's not a criticism aimed at Mr Dredd himself?

 Pacific wrote:
That's interesting to read Mr Morden! Seems like there is a lot of variety there..

I gotta be honest, I'm not too eager to sign up for this roller coaster again.

Come on man, it's £75 for a starter set, they are hardly asking for your first-born

£75 for 18 rather average metal miniatures. Yes, it includes a large size rulebook, but knowing Mongoose you can get them in a year off ebay for peanuts when Mongoose abandons the game wholesale in favor of hyping the next big thing to sucker gamers out of their hard-earned money.

 BrookM wrote:
He just needs to complain about something, it's his schtick.

Very amusing. I actually just orderd a Judge Dredd Indyclix figure off ebay, and I just got back from the game store, trying to buy a Werewolf in Bones plastic. Sadly they didn't have any except the pre-painted version, which is just drybrushed dark grey with some minor details picked out., and not worth the extra money

See, some of us are picky about what we spend our money on...

I ended up getting the Lysette Elf Mage figure in Bones plastic, the new GW technical "blood" paint, and some old OOP armorcast fanzines, and an OOP Mage Knight Metal figure.

I'll probably get those super-discounted GoMC1 gang figures from Troll and Toad that have been on steep discount for the past year or so.

It's not complaining, like a lot of people, I'm really hesitant about giving Mongoose any more of my money.

They never seem to learn.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 Surtur wrote:

 chris_valera wrote:
S t, I got burned so hard on Starship Troopers, but this looks very nice. The figs are metal though, and you don't get a ton for your money. Very telling that Mongoose couldn't be arsed to spring for plastic models.

Still... I'm a sucker for LE figures...

It would be cool if it came with a free comic or something, for those that aren't too up on what Judge Dredd is.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

It's a skirmish game. Plastic just isn't feasible on this scale with such a small market.

I didn't see this, but there is more to the game then just the skirmish level.

They have tanks, vehicles, mass army rules, and assorted units from the various... stories from 2000AD. The rulebook has the scenarios for various situations from the comics.

I'm a little partial to the Pat wagons, but theres supposed to be a Manta tank coming out somewhere along the line.

One of the more interesting of the games units was the East Meg Invasion troops/ units. Alongside the zombie horde, I think they are some fun digs back into the pre-80's commie paranoia.

the kickstarter was supposed to have funded the game, as it evolved into what Warlord has on thier hands now.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1990654819/judge-dredd-miniatures-game-block-war


IIRC, there was some free downloads of the works in pri=ogress over here at Mongoose

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/

 chris_valera wrote:

That's a s t excuse. Necromunda had plastic figures GoMC1 had plastic figures.

Quite gakky ones, in both cases. I do have 240 of the GoMC1 gangers. Though I use them as civilians.

 chris_valera wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Matt had mentioned the possibility of multipart plastics for Apocalypse War on the Mongoose forums at some point.

I'll be honest, Mongoose says a lot of things, and their track record on stuff is sketchy at best. Others would say even worse about them. Take a trip through TMP sometime.

I was Mongoose Infantry for several years, ran dozens of demos for GoMC-1 and Starship Troopers and tournaments for Starship Troopers. I'm fairly intimate with Mongoose.

 chris_valera wrote:

Currently their MO seems to be to acquire a license, hype it up as being the second coming of gaming, fart out a ton of shoddy product, flog it all before the suckers get wise to it, and then drop it completely when the license goes tits up.

Perhaps, but they've had the Dredd license for a decade and the JDMG is quite excellent. Placing the game into Warlord's far superior manufacturing and distribution chain speaks volumes to Mongoose's commitment to Dredd. You may be right about some things, but just not about this.


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 Grot 6 wrote:

One of the more interesting of the games units was the East Meg Invasion troops/ units. Alongside the zombie horde, I think they are some fun digs back into the pre-80's commie paranoia.

IIRC, there was some free downloads of the works in pri=ogress over here at Mongoose

The Rogue Trooper rules, which use a variation of Starship Troopers/Battlefield Evolution system, has the full rules and army lists for fighting the Apocalypse War. I specifically bought about 80 Sovs, 30 Citi-def and 50 Judges and a half dozen Lawmasters to fight it out.

The JDMG was a public beta for years and went through several community-driven playtests before winding up in it's final form in the hardback Warlord Games-produced book.

 chris_valera wrote:

 Surtur wrote:
It's a skirmish game. Plastic just isn't feasible on this scale with such a small market.

That's a s t excuse. Necromunda had plastic figures GoMC1 had plastic figures. They could easily have knocked up a sprue of the basic two starter gangs, or kickstartered it. In fact they already had plastic gangers from the previous game. Making plastic forces would have dropped down the cost of the box set considerably. As it is, it's like $100 for 18 metal figures. That's woeful value.

What did necromunda have? The mordhiem plastic figures got rolled into their mainlines so their costs got reduced. JD doesn't have the same opportunities.

The plastics from before were astronomically bad. Poor material, bad poses. And don't you start going on me about bad pricing and mention GW in the same breath. Mordhiem and Necromunda boxes were $45 for about 8-9 metal models, a finecast model is going to run you around $20 and the individual model price of JD winds up being around $5.10 a pop (if you take the rules' value at $20). That means it's virtually the same per model of necromunda and mordhiem and cheaper than the current offers GW is giving. Even infinity isn't that cheap per model. Now, I'll admit it's not as nice as Infinity models and it is a bit pricey for a starter I'll grant that, but not many starters come with full sized rulebooks.

In fairness, before anyone gives me any more stick, I did go looking fora werwolf figure today. It's just that the Mongoose figure is woeful, so I was trying to find one in the old Mage Knight range, or the Reaper Bones range. I can sculpt on a bionic eye and add some Ork shulder pads and make him techy-looking. I also bought some old Judge Dredd Indyclix figures off ebay. So I'm not 100% opposed to this new game, I just don't feel like signing up for this roller coaster all over again.

That being said...

 judgedoug wrote:
Quite gakky ones, in both cases. I do have 240 of the GoMC1 gangers. Though I use them as civilians.

I must ask; if you're a hobby rep, why do you trash the old figures? And if they're so terrible, are they unpainted? I'll buy them off you for a reasonable price.

 judgedoug wrote:
I was Mongoose Infantry for several years, ran dozens of demos for GoMC-1 and Starship Troopers and tournaments for Starship Troopers. I'm fairly intimate with Mongoose.

I feel quite sorry for you, having been an Outrider myself. I can't imagine what it must be like to defend such a company. Ditching B5, Dropping Mighty Empires entirely, poor proofreading on Conan and the various other RPG books, the editing problems and a lack of quality control on most of the RPG books, The geerally poor quality and subsequent dropping of Armageddon 2089 ( a book series that really isn't compatible with other d20 products, despite claims to the contrary) screwing up SST, screwing up ACTA:SF so royally (that whole resin/metal debacle) having to defends them as ADB takes the license back because of all the screw-ups...

Just how many mini-games did Mongoose start and drop?

Starting and dropping Runequest and Glorantha? Mighty Empires? SST? B5? Conan? Slaine?

What must it be like to have to defend all this?

At least being an Outrider, I only had to deal with the price whiners, no-one ever questioned the quality of what GW put out.

 Surtur wrote:
What did necromunda have?

Plastic Orlocks and Goliaths, the two main gangs, plus the plastic bulkheads, which now sell for crazy money on ebay.

 Surtur wrote:
The mordhiem plastic figures got rolled into their mainlines so their costs got reduced. JD doesn't have the same opportunities.

They probably planned to integrate the Mordheim figures into the main range, but GoMC1 had plastic gangers, so you can't say they don't have the same opportunities.

 Surtur wrote:
The plastics from before were astronomically bad. Poor material, bad poses.

So, in other words, Mongoose finds new and innovative way to f k up a sure thing, as they did with SST, ACTA Star Fleet, Mighty Empires, B5, and so on...

 Surtur wrote:
And don't you start going on me about bad pricing and mention GW in the same breath. Mordhiem and Necromunda boxes were $45 for about 8-9 metal models,

About what Mongoose charges today, and Mordheim figures still sell for MSRP or more on ebay.

 Surtur wrote:
a finecast model is going to run you around $20 and the individual model price of JD winds up being around $5.10 a pop (if you take the rules' value at $20). That means it's virtually the same per model of necromunda and mordhiem and cheaper than the current offers GW is giving.

Finecast is not required, it is an "add-on" for playing Warhamer proper. And as we're finding out, they're planning on doing away with it entirely based on poor feedback. When has Mongoosse ever cared about feedback?

Counterpoint; the skaven commander from Island of Blood sells for nothing on ebay, the skaven units sell for nothing as well. You could kit out the start of a Mordheim warband using those figures, or the skaven figures from Advanced Heroquest, which sell for super-cheeap as well, since they don't rank up.

 Surtur wrote:
Even infinity isn't that cheap per model. Now, I'll admit it's not as nice as Infinity models and it is a bit pricey for a starter I'll grant that,

Infinity models have stunning detail, although I do with they were available in plastic, especially for the TAG and various "big" models.

 Surtur wrote:
but not many starters come with full sized rulebooks.

The 40K3 starter did.

They stopped doing it because of people like me, who would go to cons and buy the $80 starter on discount for $50 or so, then flip the rulebook for $30, getting all the models for almost nothing.

Mongoose has the exact opposite problem, the starter isn't worth getting because we know from painful experience they won't support the game, and will likely drop it or screw it up after a year, and those full-size rulebooks will flood ebay and be worth close to nothing.

You say GW costs more, but Mordheim rulebooks and Mordheim and Necromunda figures still hold their value on ebay, but G0MC1 and SST rulebooks sell for very little. Troll and Toad blowing out all the old GoMC1 ganger boxes for $4.99 each speaks volumes about Mongoose.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Erm... anyway, moving on..

Has anyone had a look at the rulebook yet and would care to comment? Cover art looks great, does it have much in the way of artwork or other fan-service within it? What is the layout of the book like, book size etc.?

Regarding the size:




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Also: http://www.warlordgames.com/40909/warlords-judge-dredd-campaign/

Warlord's own in-studio Dredd campaign, well worth following.


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Finally, some page spreads can be found here: http://store.warlordgames.com/collections/judge-dredd/products/judge-dredd-rulebook

That's absolutely perfect, exactly what I wanted to see - thanks for that!

This game has now been 100% sold to me the moment I saw that 'fattie stampede' has made it into the rulebook

If it has a mini, it is in the book.

Though all we need now is a new mini for Gestapo Bob Harris, who is nothing but a drokking punk.

I've been into Dredd since the early 80s, and I've enjoyed what Mongoose have done with the licence, both in RPG and wargame form. I'll pick up the book over Christmas and it looks to be a good, quality product.

I'm gonna be honest about the miniatures: they are abysmal. A complete and utter shambolic failure. I've pored over the entire range, and there isn't a single model I don't utterly loathe. Every one of them is a sick mockery of miniature design. If it was 1983, I'd be laughing at these monstrosities as a noble but incredibly poor attempt. But it's 2013 and the industry has come a long, long way - but these, these are a throwback to the very worst rudimentary attempts at fantasy figure design of the 1970s. The proportions are horrendous. The poses are so bad they'd make Gary Morley blush. And the prices are mind boggling.

Sorry Matt. I respect you and your company, and I love your fluff and so forth on your 2000AD licences. But these miniatures are the worst in the industry.

Damn. I haven't seen a review that scathing since Mantic brought out their "dragon riders" with those horrendous seahorse-looking abominations.

I saw a load of these miniatures a while ago at a show, and while I kind of understand where you are coming from Caliginous, I think you are perhaps being a little too harsh!

Firstly, think you are correct about the age of the miniatures. I can't say for sure, but I'm fairly certain a lot of these are miniatures that I saw 12-15 years ago; they are not new sculpts. You've said 70's (again, possibly being a bit OTT! ), but yes the sculpting style reminds me of a lot of the other stuff coming out late 80's and 90's - like some of the old Ral Partha, or even Citadel for that matter.

With that in mind, I will say that the bar has been raised considerably in the last decade. Some of the stuff coming out at the moment, from the likes of Corvus Belli, Mearce, Andrea Miniatures, Mcvey etc is absolutely mind blowing in terms of the amount of detail that can be squeezed onto a 28mm miniature - honestly, it has almost got to the point where you have to say 'how much'? Really I think the standard is so good these days, and I think a lot of people viewing those miniatures online don't realise exactly how detailed they are when you see them in person - these days I start to get eye-strain in preperation when I open an Infinity blister, and although I laughed at a friend who managed to accidentally cut the hands off one of his miniatures (although I did sympathise also!), I can completely understand how it happened.

So, I think if one is to acknowledge that there is a pinnicle in terms of sculpture design and intricacy, at the same time does that need to be reached every time you want to place some miniatures on the tabletop and play a game? Especially when you have a fun set of rules and an evocative background? Really, I think the saying "looks fine on the tabletop" applies here - I can guarantee that for most people buying and playing with these miniatures they will look perfectly fine.

Someone can buy this game - appreciate who is Dredd, the gangers, fattie with a belly wheel and the mean machine gang or whatever. The sculpts are good enough that the imagination-transfer can take place, and suck you into the game.

Or.. maybe I just have lower standards! I don't know, I've seen a lot of these in person.. away from the modern digital camera that blows everything into maximum res on your computer screen, then they are perfectly serviceable. I would even call it 'characterful'.

Really? You're even going to keep trying to excuse these monstrosities? Damn, that game ought to be really good - it's not as if anyone with functioning vision would buy this for the minis.

...and say what you will of the drakon riders but even those are leagues ahead of this utter crap.

Now I have to go see these horrific abortions of miniatures for myself. Those guys on the first page just look like lackluster 90s metals, my eyes didnt start bleeding yet

I'd link to some of the newer minis done for the KS, but the blown up pics shown on site are not exactly flattering, nor of a high quality..

**Some** of the new KS stuff was actually pretty ok. Shame they didn't think to put any of those in a starter box set, you know, the one product which might lure new, casual customers...

I do understand where you are coming from Pacific, but for me there's no halfway with miniatures. I spend too much time and money on this hobby that I simply refuse to purchase anything I'm not 100% happy with the look of. It has meant that, especially when I used to play the 40kays, my posterior is handed to me regularly but such is life. I have to be satisfied with the miniature, otherwise I'm not going to paint it, much less prep it for painting. The minis spend so much time in my hands - in cleaning and building, to painting and gaming, that I have to be in love with them from the outset or I'll never pick them up in the first place. I'm one of those gamers that really doesn't care what happens on the gaming table. The single most emphatically important thing to me is that I'm proud of my army or warband when it hits the table. I'm a total miniature fetish-nerd. I just love looking at painted miniatures. It's a problem

Now standards, as you say, have changed. And there are companies out there doing some amazingly detailed stuff. But detail does not necessarily equate to beautiful. Take Artizan for example, I have serious man-love for their US paras, but they're very simple figures. However they are clean and bold and have a strong impact. They're a joy to paint. Take some of GW's big plastic kits conversely. It's a seriously insane amount of detail and the modelling options are fantastic but I often cannot tell what I am supposed to be looking at half the time.

I honestly cannot remember hating a series of models or being so agonisingly disappointed in a series of models since...maybe Leading Edge's Colonial Marines? But they were a product of their time. These models live in a world that has standards that they must be judged against, and they fail miserably. I've said what I really think above so I won't reiterate.

I'll leave you with Exhibit A, the dark judges. Death, Mortis and Fear all look like they are drunk and are embarrassing their relatives on the dance floor at their nephew's wedding. I think, out of all the models in this range of garbage, Mortis us the model I despise the most. It's breathtaking in its awfulness.

I'm probably biased, having spent the last year pretty much only painting the figures I got from the JD kickstarter. I've had mixed views on the sculpts, some are great, some I'm not that taken by - for me it's a shame that the Judges are the faction that are the most mixed in sculpt quality, and I really wouldn't say that Mongoose have picked the best ones to go in the Starter Box - the punks on the other had are lovely figures, but I don't think they are done favours by the paint job in these pics.

I'd disagree on the Dark Judges asessment, overall I was disappointed by them, but Mortis & Fire are pretty decent in my eyes - Mortis always had that sort of 'curled up' stance - Death and Fear look too much like Marionettes to me though.

Anyway, for a different overview of much of the range, a lot of the old and new releases are in my Showcase thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/534212.page

I'll leave you with Exhibit A, the dark judges. Death, Mortis and Fear all look like they are drunk and are embarrassing their relatives on the dance floor at their nephew's wedding.

That bit did really make me laugh out loud

 chris_valera wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Quite gakky ones, in both cases. I do have 240 of the GoMC1 gangers. Though I use them as civilians.

I must ask; if you're a hobby rep, why do you trash the old figures? And if they're so terrible, are they unpainted? I'll buy them off you for a reasonable price.

What? The old GoMC-1 figures are absolutely terrible; probably the worst plastics ever made. Should I be praising them or something?
And no way, I got them for $1 per box . No matter how gak they are, two bright colors and flesh on the face and hands and it's an instant MC-1 civvie.

 chris_valera wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
I was Mongoose Infantry for several years, ran dozens of demos for GoMC-1 and Starship Troopers and tournaments for Starship Troopers. I'm fairly intimate with Mongoose.

I feel quite sorry for you, having been an Outrider myself. I can't imagine what it must be like to defend such a company.

What must it be like to have to defend all this?

At least being an Outrider, I only had to deal with the price whiners, no-one ever questioned the quality of what GW put out.

Why would I have to defend anything? I demo'ed SST and GoMC-1 and ran tournaments. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. If people had questions about product or rules about those games then I answered them. They could have whatever opinion about whatever they wanted.

I find it really, really hard to believe that you never heard anyone question GW's quality when you were an Outrider.

 chris_valera wrote:

Mongoose has the exact opposite problem, the starter isn't worth getting because we know from painful experience they won't support the game, and will likely drop it or screw it up after a year, and those full-size rulebooks will flood ebay and be worth close to nothing.

Perhaps, but they've had the Dredd license for a decade and the JDMG is quite excellent. Placing the game into Warlord's far superior manufacturing and distribution chain speaks volumes to Mongoose's commitment to Dredd. You may be right about some things, but just not about this.



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Caliginous wrote:

I'm gonna be honest about the miniatures: they are abysmal. A complete and utter shambolic failure. I've pored over the entire range, and there isn't a single model I don't utterly loathe. Every one of them is a sick mockery of miniature design. If it was 1983, I'd be laughing at these monstrosities as a noble but incredibly poor attempt.

Absolutely some of the range is kinda mediocre, but the Citi-def, Sovs, Apes, Fatties, and I'd say... half, to most, of the Justice Department, the Angel gang, and many more, are excellent models.

But, your opinion is wrong. Sorry. I have figs from 1983. Here's a perfect example of how wrong you are.





Please explain to me, in as much detail as you can, how the top miniature is a complete and utter shambolic failure and how it is the same quality as a figure from 1983 (the bottom figure).

Ah, Judge Clancy, fething ace! What was the name of that other guy in the dress again?


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Also, I really want a squad of these guys:

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Judge Glass

All we need now is a mini of deputy chief judge Fish!

Caliginous wrote:
I'm gonna be honest about the miniatures: they are abysmal. A complete and utter shambolic failure. I've pored over the entire range, and there isn't a single model I don't utterly loathe. Every one of them is a sick mockery of miniature design. If it was 1983, I'd be laughing at these monstrosities as a noble but incredibly poor attempt. But it's 2013 and the industry has come a long, long way - but these, these are a throwback to the very worst rudimentary attempts at fantasy figure design of the 1970s. The proportions are horrendous. The poses are so bad they'd make Gary Morley blush. And the prices are mind boggling.

Sorry Matt. I respect you and your company, and I love your fluff and so forth on your 2000AD licences. But these miniatures are the worst in the industry.

In fairness, I don't agree with this guy. They're average figures. Many look like figures made in the late 90s. It's obvious there's some catching up to do, but I don't have the hate that this guy does. I will be using the dredd from heroclix, and maybe the evil villain judges from Heroclix as well, although I think the supposedly terrible dark judge figures are okay. I'll be using a werewolf from Reaper's "Bones" line. I'll be using the super-cheap GoMC1 figures, bad quality or no, as well as the EM-4 gangers.

This is really where Mongoose goes wrong; so many other companies make products that are worth your time, and at a cheaper price than what Mongoose is offering.

Those metal figures look like they're out of the 90's and that just doesn't cut it with people any more. The industry has moved on.

 judgedoug wrote:

 chris_valera wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Quite gakky ones, in both cases. I do have 240 of the GoMC1 gangers. Though I use them as civilians.

I must ask; if you're a hobby rep, why do you trash the old figures? And if they're so terrible, are they unpainted? I'll buy them off you for a reasonable price.

What? The old GoMC-1 figures are absolutely terrible; probably the worst plastics ever made. Should I be praising them or something?

I don't know, should you? Aren't you the company rep? o_O

 judgedoug wrote:
And no way, I got them for $1 per box . No matter how gak they are, two bright colors and flesh on the face and hands and it's an instant MC-1 civvie.

I'm just saying, if you have them so much, if you have any on sprue, I'll take them off your hands for you.

 judgedoug wrote:
I find it really, really hard to believe that you never heard anyone question GW's quality when you were an Outrider.

Believe it. And this is coming from the guy who reps the company that gakked the release of the Star Fleet minis, had to rerelease them in a different material, and still gakked it up so badly ADB yanked the license back.

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Also, I really want a squad of these guys:

Ah yes, because everybody and their mum has the funds and means to start producing plastics willy-nilly don't they? Oh no, this company is fethed now, because they're not into plastics! Quick, someone tell Corvus Belli and Hasslefree that they are dying because they don't do plastics!

Look man, if you've got such a hate-boner for Mongoose, maybe it's best if you spent the time posting here on something else, like updating that site of yours.

CB Actually makes Damn Good Models© though, not stuff which is rather mediocre at best. Paying metal prices for top notch stuff (with a miss every now and then) tends to go down rather better than when it's the kind of models they're showing for their introductory product, of all things.

I am well aware of that, but don't you know that they are DOOMED because they don't get on with the time and do their stuff in plastic?!?!?

...Meh. You might be better off just shipping that valera dude off to the ignore list already if it bothers you this much - he's kinda dragging you down now.

You're right, must think happy thoughts once more.

 chris_valera wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

 chris_valera wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
Quite gakky ones, in both cases. I do have 240 of the GoMC1 gangers. Though I use them as civilians.

I must ask; if you're a hobby rep, why do you trash the old figures? And if they're so terrible, are they unpainted? I'll buy them off you for a reasonable price.

What? The old GoMC-1 figures are absolutely terrible; probably the worst plastics ever made. Should I be praising them or something?

I don't know, should you? Aren't you the company rep? o_O

What are you talking about?

me wrote:I was Mongoose Infantry for several years, ran dozens of demos for GoMC-1 and Starship Troopers and tournaments for Starship Troopers. I'm fairly intimate with Mongoose.

me wrote:I was Mongoose Infantry for several years

me wrote:was

read this for more - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/474984.page#4757434

 chris_valera wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
And no way, I got them for $1 per box . No matter how gak they are, two bright colors and flesh on the face and hands and it's an instant MC-1 civvie.

I'm just saying, if you have them so much, if you have any on sprue, I'll take them off your hands for you.

I don't hate them, I said they're gakky, because they really really are. Terrible plastic, soft details, etc. But they serve the purpose as MC-1 civvies for Apocalypse War and Dark Judge scenarios - lots of brightly colored MC-1 civilians running around in mobs being killed by the bucketload If I could get them for a buck a box again I'd buy another 240 of them!

 chris_valera wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
I find it really, really hard to believe that you never heard anyone question GW's quality when you were an Outrider.

Believe it. And this is coming from the guy who reps the company that gakked the release of the Star Fleet minis, had to rerelease them in a different material, and still gakked it up so badly ADB yanked the license back.

I don't rep Mongoose, I used to run demos and tourneys for SST and GoMC-1. Regardless, I don't believe it, especially as GW is notorious for some of the worst models in the industry. If you were an Outrider for any amount of time, ever, in GW's history, there's always been a not insignificant portion of their models that have been absolute gak. Has there every been a period where there hasn't been several ranges of Citadel figs that weren't the butt of jokes? I remember starting WHFB in 1994 or so and immediately not wanting to touch the Undead line with a ten foot pole.. how about 2000-era Dark Eldar? Current Empire? Having started in the "GW hobby" with Space Hulk 1st edition in 1991 I've seen over 20 years of Citadel figures. If you never heard anyone question GW's quality, ever, then you never actually spoke to any customer, ever. Are you in the USA? When were you in the Outrider program? Perhaps we met sometime in 1996-2001 or so.

 chris_valera wrote:

The only reason for me to buy the box is for the LE figures, the rulebook isn't a draw for me, because I know, all things being equal, Mongoose will screw this game up, as they have screwed up so many others, and I'll pick it up for cheap on ebay a year from now for nothing.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

You know, you can download the rules for free? The last public playtest was in June, and the hardcover is just a nicer, slicker, glossier, printed hardcover version of the two JDMG PDFs.

It's a book made by Warlord for a game manufactured by Warlord and distributed by Warlord, and designed by Mongoose. After several years of public playtests, this is the final form of the JDMG as designed by Mongoose and the whole internets community of playtesters. It's now in Warlord's hands.

I'll keep repeating this until you read it
Perhaps, but they've had the Dredd license for a decade and the JDMG is quite excellent. Placing the game into Warlord's far superior manufacturing and distribution chain speaks volumes to Mongoose's commitment to Dredd. You may be right about some things, but just not about this.

 judgedoug wrote:
.. and I'd say... half, to most, of the Justice Department, ..., are excellent models.

In a Judge Dredd game, that seems like a fairly large issue to me.


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 BrookM wrote:
Ah yes, because everybody and their mum has the funds and means to start producing plastics willy-nilly don't they? Oh no, this company is fethed now, because they're not into plastics!

Pre-painted plastic models are the way of the future, don't you know?

Oh yes, it did wonders for Rackham didn't it?

 insaniak wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
.. and I'd say... half, to most, of the Justice Department, ..., are excellent models.

In a Judge Dredd game, that seems like a fairly large issue to me.

The funkiest ones are a decade old by now. The newest sculpts are quite good (like Cal's retinue, posted above, or the limited edition Judge with Lawrod in the box) Just use the sculpts you like. Or use Foundry sculpts. An average judge patrol team in the JDMG is what, 3 judges? 4 later on, maybe. Choose the ones you like. I personally own tons and tons of Judges for Apocalypse War games so the mediocre ones kinda blend in with the rest. (sorta like the 200+ GoMC-1 plastic civvies... you don't notice their badness when there's two hundred of them on the table)

BrookM wrote:Oh yes, it did wonders for Rackham didn't it?

I was thinking of a different company, that was going to revolutionise the gaming industry with plastics that were better than 90% of gamers could paint...

judgedoug wrote: The newest sculpts are quite good (like Cal's retinue, posted above, or the limited edition Judge with Lawrod in the box)

I think you and I might have slightly different visions of 'quite good'...

More than funky 90's posing, I think the bit that would bug me the most is the wild variance in helmet and shoulder pads between models. For guys that are supposed to be in uniform, there is a distinct lack of uniformity.

Wow. I feel like a man on an island for actually liking the models.

 insaniak wrote:

BrookM wrote:Oh yes, it did wonders for Rackham didn't it?

I was thinking of a different company, that was going to revolutionise the gaming industry with plastics that were better than 90% of gamers could paint...

Oh right, took me a moment to get that reference as outside of seeing the odd boxed set on-line, that company never really did sell well around these parts.

 BrookM wrote:
Ah yes, because everybody and their mum has the funds and means to start producing plastics willy-nilly don't they?

That one company made those 6mm not-Orks and not-Imperials sprue with just five or six grand they raised on kickstarter, Mantic seems to be doing well for themselves. EM-4 made plastic sprues waaaay back in the day for Combat Zone.

 BrookM wrote:
Oh no, this company is fethed now, because they're not into plastics! Quick, someone tell Corvus Belli and Hasslefree that they are dying because they don't do plastics!

Corbus Belli's quality is impeccable, and I'm sure Hasslefree and Heresy would do plastics if they could afford it. Both companies bitch about how little they make, and how the rising costs of metal cut into their profits.

 BrookM wrote:
Look man, if you've got such a hate-boner for Mongoose, maybe it's best if you spent the time posting here on something else, like updating that site of yours.

Very amusing. U mad bro? This is a discussion forum. We discuss things. You as a mod, of all people, should understand that.

I said I was getting a few things, but would steer clear of the main box, since all I want is the LE figs, and that the big rulebook isn't a draw for me, since, knowing Mongoose, teye'll invariably screw it up somehow.

it's also not just me that's complaining about the quality, so maybe it's you the one who should, sit back, relax, and change your tampon.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Chris, I think your avatar sums up nicely everything you've brought to the 'discussion'. You've said your piece now, the same thing at least 2 or 3 times, so not really sure what you hope to achieve here?

 Surtur wrote:
Wow. I feel like a man on an island for actually liking the models.

I'm on an island as well, a small way away from you but you can see me if you look hard! *waves*

I like the majority of the models alot - hence my large backing of the kickstarter. I think they are very evocative of the source material - but different strokes.............

Love all the judges and have loads of them

I enjoy the game and the rules - its fast paced and fun and thats good for me

 Pacific wrote:
Chris, I think your avatar sums up nicely everything you've brought to the 'discussion'. You've said your piece now, the same thing at least 2 or 3 times, so not really sure what you hope to achieve here?

 Surtur wrote:
Wow. I feel like a man on an island for actually liking the models.

I'm on an island as well, a small way away from you but you can see me if you look hard! *waves*

As a MOD I should be able to do something about all those negative people.

But hell, sign me up for an island as well, I think that the Judges are quite dated, but a load of the other models are nicely done indeed. In the end, the models do capture that silly, weird look of the comics.

BrookM is a mod?

Guess I am, there's a new sheriff in town, now cower before me all y'all!

 BrookM wrote:
Guess I am, there's a new sheriff in town, now cower before me all y'all!

Okay okay, got it wrong, he's a DCM, not a mod, but really, he should know better.

I may pick up some sky surfers from mongoose, but that's about it. Even going back to the original Star Fleet thread (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/375957.page) people were clowning Mongoose for abandoning their games and screwing things up.

I know some people want to be fanboys, but maybe Mongoose has the reputation they have for a reason.

--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

 BrookM wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Chris, I think your avatar sums up nicely everything you've brought to the 'discussion'. You've said your piece now, the same thing at least 2 or 3 times, so not really sure what you hope to achieve here?

 Surtur wrote:
Wow. I feel like a man on an island for actually liking the models.

I'm on an island as well, a small way away from you but you can see me if you look hard! *waves*

As a MOD I should be able to do something about all those negative people.

But hell, sign me up for an island as well, I think that the Judges are quite dated, but a load of the other models are nicely done indeed. In the end, the models do capture that silly, weird look of the comics.

Hey, no fair! You guys each got a palm tree! All I got was Wilson.

I think that the models are very representative of the comics. There have been several different subtle styles of Dredd and if you look through the case files collections it's quite apparent that it wasn't 100% set in stone. Sometimes the helmet was ovalish, sometimes it flared like a skirt and other times it was more of a boxy thing. The fact that there is no one defining judge is informative of the source material. Further more, the poses really don't bother me. Dredd has that 80s style seeped into it and it would be a shame if the models didn't hint at that in some way. Are they perfect? No. I do think they are good value for being $7.50 USD a pop though and are highly representative of the source. That price is about half the price of an Infinity model so it's really not that bad. There are paragons in the hobby model industry but I doubt Mongoose can afford them for this kind of game and this niche genre. I also cannot be brought to believing that every company can live up to those high standards and I'm okay with that.

Heres some pretty good stuff from Mongoose for the RPG.

I don't know, but I kinda liked it.

http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/index.php?cPath=220

Heres some comics too, shamelessly plugged.

http://comics.drivethrustuff.com/index.php?manufacturers_id=2560

For all of the hate on for Mongoose, the figures DO fit right in with the comic book. Sorry.



The games pretty good, too. give it hell all you want, but they did ok with this one.

Yes, the figures "fit right in with" the comic in much the same way that John Wayne "fit right in with" the role of Genghis Khan.

What did Ron Smith, Carlos Ezquerra, Mike McMahon, Steve Dillon or Brian Bolland ever do to warrant an insult of that magnitude?

We kicked off our campaign with a 4 v 4 team battle. We had two Judge teams, their Brit Cit allies and a Judge Cal team against Necromancers, Cabalists, Rogue Citi-Def and an East Meg Invasion force. The game played quick and smooth, plenty of action and carnage and fun narratives were forged.

I think the rules are fantastic. Some of the best skirmish rules I've played. The sheer wealth of upgrades and talents for heroes is phenomenal.

I do share concerns however. I've got many a Babylon 5, Conan d20, ACTA: Starfleet and SST miniature. I'd hate to see this become another game I look upon fondly that will never be played/supported. The upside is that apart from Judges, it would be easy to source alternative models.

I'd recommend this set in a heartbeat if you could choose the two starter boxes that come with it. I think it would be a great entry point then, able to quickly portray a variety of famous Dredd storylines. I've fired off an email to Matt asking if that's possible... we're gonna need more figures if this weird Apocalypse War/Judgement Day storyline is to continue for our group.

I think with Warlord's involvement we can safely assume that this is one game that Mongoose will not feth up or over.

 chris_valera wrote:

Currently their MO seems to be to acquire a license, hype it up as being the second coming of gaming, fart out a ton of shoddy product, flog it all before the suckers get wise to it, and then drop it completely when the license goes tits up.

We have had the Judge Dredd licence for 11 years straight now and if you take a closer look at this game, I think you will find it is far from shoddy.

 chris_valera wrote:


Starting and dropping Runequest and Glorantha? Mighty Empires? SST? B5? Conan? Slaine?

Oh, come on.

We didn't ditch B5 - we produced something like 40 books, over 200 different miniatures, stretched across 13 fleets. That is hardly a poor effort (just what else did you want us to do with it?). SST was mired in a legal dispute far beyond our level (Heinlein estate takes Sony to court), but you cannot tell me we did not do a damn good game there. The core rules are being used in Judge Dredd still.

Mighty Empires we passed on to another company (Rebel Minis) who still produce new material for it today. Hardly unsupported.

Slaine? Are you kidding me? That was always going to be a niche/one-off game - but we still managed to get 10 books out for the D20 version alone. Again, hardly unsupported.

Are you really suggesting that once a game comes out, it should be kept in production regardless of other factors? We can all point at other companies that do exactly the opposite, because that is the sensible thing to do, for reasons that I am pretty sure are obvious.

RQ & Glorantha did not work out for us, but I am not sure there is another publisher who has produced more material for it, and they certainly did not put an entire edition in leather-bound casings. Conan ended because the film came along.

But here is the thing - licences end. It is the way of things. They are for set periods and always have a finite life. You think that nice looking AvP will be around in 20 years time? We are very lucky to have the arrangement we do on Judge Dredd, but it is highly unusual in licensing.

At least we bothered to get the official licences, rather than make models that looked a little bit like their film/TV counterparts. You want a rant from me, get me started on that...

Caliginous wrote:

Sorry Matt. I respect you and your company, and I love your fluff and so forth on your 2000AD licences.

You are quite entitled to your opinion, Sir

Caliginous wrote:
But these miniatures are the worst in the industry.

But they are really not that

Ok, I had no knowledge that Clancy and Glass looked so good in mini form! I must have them!

Oh, nice rebuttal MM, and in a non rant inducing way could you give me a twenty word or less (or as long as you like) reasoning for the Not-X miniatures?
I am genuinely curious and would like to get a point of view from you.

After a quick email it seems the starter set is unchangeable and the two forces can't be picked. It's a bit of a disappointment for me and my gaming group, we're always chumps for rulebook and starter set deals (Looking at you Spartan Games ), but thems the breaks.

The starter is still a great deal, I'm going to give one to a die-hard Dredd fan after I showed her the rule pdfs from the Mongoose site, so score one for the rules being free and available.

Oh it's a great deal, I'm just being selfish as Judges and Punks are the last thing I need.

Hehe, true enough!

 Vain wrote:
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Oh, nice rebuttal MM, and in a non rant inducing way could you give me a twenty word or less (or as long as you like) reasoning for the Not-X miniatures?
I am genuinely curious and would like to get a point of view from you.

Well, first, it infringes on copyright. If you sell (for example) a not-Predator, a not-Minbari ship, or a not-SST Warrior Bug, you are flat out ripping someone off. To me, that just ain't on.

Second, we prefer to do things legally and in the past have paid (what we regard as) staggering amounts of money for the right to do so. This is not chump-change, but serious five or six figure sums. So we do that, take the time and effort to make a good pitch and go through the approvals process - and then someone else comes along and (illegally) does not-miniatures, riding on the back of the property or (worse) the interest we have stirred up in the miniatures game.

It is intellectual theft, and a fair slap in the face of those companies who try to do the right thing. I don't think I have seen this crop up in RPGs, but the miniatures market seems rife with them.

Don't support such ranges. They aren't cool.

MongooseMatt wrote:
Well, first, it infringes on copyright. If you sell (for example) a not-Predator, a not-Minbari ship, or a not-SST Warrior Bug, you are flat out ripping someone off. To me, that just ain't on.

Second, we prefer to do things legally and in the past have paid (what we regard as) staggering amounts of money for the right to do so. This is not chump-change, but serious five or six figure sums. So we do that, take the time and effort to make a good pitch and go through the approvals process - and then someone else comes along and (illegally) does not-miniatures, riding on the back of the property or (worse) the interest we have stirred up in the miniatures game.

It is intellectual theft, and a fair slap in the face of those companies who try to do the right thing. I don't think I have seen this crop up in RPGs, but the miniatures market seems rife with them.

Don't support such ranges. They aren't cool.

Cheers for that Matt, it was the sort of thing I was looking for.

I get that your point is for the market overall, and you aren't limiting this purely to properties you have secured, but do you mind me asking how often this has this happened to Mongoose?
Obviously enough to leave a strong impression on you. I am not that familiar with the B5 or the other games in your range of games (outside of Dredd) so I wouldn't know a not-Mimbari ship if it bit me.

I could understand people wanting 28mm Preds, coz they are bad-arse and can be slotted into a fair amount of things, same with Warrior Bugs being used as 'Nids or even generic bad aliens, but I am genuinely surprised at the space/naval shenanigans.
I would have thought they would have been niche enough that you would have wanted the legit version or none at all. Again, if that was just an example to illustrate your point, that is cool. It just started my brain ticking over some things.

Second to Last question: With all the kickstarters around, how does this play out with "Homage" characters as stretch goals.
Like those in the Sedition Wars (Ripley/Newt, Vasquez, the guy from Dead Space and that Cylon lady or the Serenity Crew) or Zombicide where they have taken archetypical heroes that happen to look a lot like recognizable characters but not enough to be sued?

Last Question: Was the cool Judge Minty miniature Ok'd by Mongoose for the charity run they did?

Thanks for answering and feel free to tell me to get back in my box if I am getting to question-y

 chris_valera wrote:

I said I was getting a few things, but would steer clear of the main box, since all I want is the LE figs, and that the big rulebook isn't a draw for me, since, knowing Mongoose, teye'll invariably screw it up somehow.

Perhaps, but they've had the Dredd license for a decade and the JDMG is quite excellent. Placing the game into Warlord's far superior manufacturing and distribution chain speaks volumes to Mongoose's commitment to Dredd. You may be right about some things, but just not about this.

 chris_valera wrote:

it's also not just me that's complaining about the quality, so maybe it's you the one who should, sit back, relax, and change your tampon.
--Chris
www.chrisvalera.com

Hmm.

 Vain wrote:

I get that your point is for the market overall, and you aren't limiting this purely to properties you have secured, but do you mind me asking how often this has this happened to Mongoose?

I do not recall any for Dredd, but it has happened with just about everything else we have done - manufacturers were doing SST Warrior Bugs long before we came along, and there are a fair few people selling B5 and Trek ships without licence.

 Vain wrote:

I could understand people wanting 28mm Preds, coz they are bad-arse and can be slotted into a fair amount of things, same with Warrior Bugs being used as 'Nids or even generic bad aliens, but I am genuinely surprised at the space/naval shenanigans.

It is not a case of wanting them - of course people want them. The point is companies and individuals do not have licence to produce (much less sell) them.

 Vain wrote:

Second to Last question: With all the kickstarters around, how does this play out with "Homage" characters as stretch goals.
Like those in the Sedition Wars (Ripley/Newt, Vasquez, the guy from Dead Space and that Cylon lady or the Serenity Crew) or Zombicide where they have taken archetypical heroes that happen to look a lot like recognizable characters but not enough to be sued?

Without going into specific cases, I would suggest anyone going down that line gets a good lawyer and/or hopes the big film studios do not notice what is going on, as they do not have a sense of humour about this sort of thing.

At the end of the day a homage/an archetype is one thing, but that comes down to taking a broad concept and putting your own spin on it, not simply ripping things off. A good example would be Space Wolves (and GW is very, very good at this). They took Vikings and put the 40k spin on them - you can see recognisable Viking aspects within the Space Woofs, but they are unmistakabley Space Marines first. Or take Genestealers - there are recognisable bits from Aliens there, sure, but they are unmistakabley Tyranid first. They did not just copy something, they took a concept and ran with it, creating something new in the process (they used to describe it as putting 40k glasses on to look at something).

A far, far cry from the not-Predators and not-Warrior Bugs out there. You cannot (legally - or morally) take a Predator, re-arrange his head-dress a bit, give it a new but very similar name (like Hunter, perhaps), and then sell it. That goes double when you have other companies in the same market/industry willing to go the extra mile and work with the original creators of these properties.

 Vain wrote:

Last Question: Was the cool Judge Minty miniature Ok'd by Mongoose for the charity run they did?

Now this was a perfect example of how to do things properly. The guys behind Minty contacted us, we had no issue with it, and so passed the request onto the guys at 2000AD, who gave it their blessing as well. All official and above board.

Shows respect for the property being handled and beats being sued - and it took all of ten minutes on their part to get permission.

Now, if they had then gone on to do more Dredd miniatures and started selling them, well, Rebellion has good lawyers as well

Hey guys! Thank you so much for this thread, and for highlighting a starter product.

I don't know how it happened, but I wasn't even aware this game existed, let alone could be purchased in the US by way of FRP games.

I'm a huge Dredd fan, but being an American Judge Dredd fan, means there aren't a wealth of products available, nor much brand awareness. I'm really going to try selling my skirmish game group on this though. They've almost entirely fallen out with Malifaux, but many of them don't wanna make a leap in scope up to WM/H or WH40k.

Can someone answer a few questions?

1. In broad strokes, what is this rule system like? I see a lot of people saying glowing things, but without details as to why.

2. Where can I read more about the game, army-lists, etc?

3. Are rules legally available digitally anywhere? I just placed an order for the starter set, but wouldn't mind getting a head start.

Thanks folks!

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

1. In broad strokes, what is this rule system like? I see a lot of people saying glowing things, but without details as to why.

2. Where can I read more about the game, army-lists, etc?

3. Are rules legally available digitally anywhere? I just placed an order for the starter set, but wouldn't mind getting a head start.

Thanks folks!

1. It's d10 based opposted tests. So you might make a shooting check to hit someone, adding your shooting trait (maybe +1), the other person rolls a d10 plus their agility score. Quite easy and smooth system and allows for lots of fun gang related special rules (like the ape gang's ability to jump all over the place)

2 and 3 - http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/judge-dredd/rulebook/judge-dredd-miniatures-game-rulebook.html
has the rules primer with basic rules, Street Judge and Street Gang lists.

MongooseMatt wrote:

 Vain wrote:
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Oh, nice rebuttal MM, and in a non rant inducing way could you give me a twenty word or less (or as long as you like) reasoning for the Not-X miniatures?
I am genuinely curious and would like to get a point of view from you.

Well, first, it infringes on copyright.

Except it usually doesn't, otherwise it would be easier to prevent. Because 'not-miniatures' rely on generic attributes to make something an approximation of something else. People can make things that look like characters from TV and film because it is a few items of clothing and the specific posing that give the resemblance, you have Doctor Who looking figures but never any Daleks or Cybermen, because of the difference between unique and generic features. If someone were to do a not-judge Dredd it would have to be quite far off his image to infringe, but there's nothing stopping people making generic futuristic figures with knee pads. When you own something, you don't get to own all that resembles it, that leads to more problems than it solves for people's artistic freedoms. And much as you cite GW as example, they are the ones trying to claim ownership of all manner of things that resemble their stuff. Not an example to follow, nor something they are having a great deal of success at thankfully.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:

Except it usually doesn't, otherwise it would be easier to prevent. Because 'not-miniatures' rely on generic attributes to make something an approximation of something else. People can make things that look like characters from TV and film because it is a few items of clothing and the specific posing that give the resemblance, you have Doctor Who looking figures but never any Daleks or Cybermen, because of the difference between unique and generic features.

Sorry, I was not clear - I am talking specifically about things like Daleks and Cybermen (I cited Predators and Warrior Bugs in my examples). In other words, direct rip-offs not something based slightly on something else.

Quite cool I've just realised there are some Warmill buildings in amongst the JD stuff on the Warlord site, although shame there haven't been any tailor-made shop or eatery names (maybe Otto Sump's restaurant, or whatever the Soylent Green-style one was where the food was made from people)?

 Pacific wrote:
Quite cool I've just realised there are some Warmill buildings in amongst the JD stuff on the Warlord site, although shame there haven't been any tailor-made shop or eatery names (maybe Otto Sump's restaurant, or whatever the Soylent Green-style one was where the food was made from people)?

Give us a little time...

Great!

Maybe someone with a better memory than I could recommend some of the more iconic eating places from the series? Although, I'm guessing Mongoose must have some close contact with the 2000AD guys themselves for this!

Of the miniatures probably like the Angel gang the most, the Cursed Earth mutees are quite cool as well and also the Ape Gang. Awesome to see that there is a Sabbat miniature, I wonder if there will be any rules for Zombies and 'Judgement Day'? That was probably one of my favourite stories, will have to try and track down a Strontonium Dog miniature..

Foundry do some 2000AD stuff:

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/our-ranges/2000ad

 Pacific wrote:
Great!

Maybe someone with a better memory than I could recommend some of the more iconic eating places from the series? Although, I'm guessing Mongoose must have some close contact with the 2000AD guys themselves for this!

Of the miniatures probably like the Angel gang the most, the Cursed Earth mutees are quite cool as well and also the Ape Gang. Awesome to see that there is a Sabbat miniature, I wonder if there will be any rules for Zombies and 'Judgement Day'? That was probably one of my favourite stories, will have to try and track down a Strontonium Dog miniature..

The zombies are in the book, along with the Judgement day scenario. There is quite a few of the scenarios that can coincide with the comic.

Ah thanks for that Grot 6!

And, Caliginous thanks also had forgotten about that miniature range!

BrookeM will be pleased that there is already a miniature of Deputy Chief Judge Fish

Citizen, stop misspelling my name. If you do it one more time, it's off to the cubes with you.

Played a few more games and a few minor rule quibbles have appeared, nothing major however. It looks like the Mongoose/Warlord forums are dead however, so would be nice to know where we can ask rules queries without cluttering up news threads.

We have just released oodles of new Judge Dredd models, ready to join your force and take back the streets! You can find them all here;

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/judge-dredd.html?dir=desc&order=position

In the mix, we have the following new goodies for you;



Judge Dredd on Lawmaster
Mechanismo Double Pack and Singles (MkI & II)
Rico Dredd and the Judge Child
A new Street Judge Double Pack
Female Street Judge
Chopper, as the Midnight Surfer

We also have the Sky Surfers back in stock, along with the HS/1 Holocaust Suit - and, of course, the huge Judge Dredd Starter Set has just been released too!

So, a friend cherry picked some of FRP's stock for a Christmas gift, and got me a bunch of JD miniatures to go with my Starter set on the way. Hopefully that'll be enough to get started with.

Incidentally, is there anywhere I can read more about the game, fan reviews, popular units, anything? I'd like to learn as much as possible. I mean, even simple things, like how much terrain is recommended, etc? Table-size for average games?

Anyone with links to a fan site, would be appreciated as Google-Fu is failing me on this one.

As much terrain as possible! I recommend getting about ten sets of the "sci fi building" from Proxie Models as building some generic MC-1 looking buildings to start off with.

MongooseMatt wrote:
We have just released oodles of new Judge Dredd models, ready to join your force and take back the streets! You can find them all here;

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/judge-dredd.html?dir=desc&order=position

In the mix, we have the following new goodies for you;



Judge Dredd on Lawmaster
Mechanismo Double Pack and Singles (MkI & II)
Rico Dredd and the Judge Child
A new Street Judge Double Pack
Female Street Judge
Chopper, as the Midnight Surfer

We also have the Sky Surfers back in stock, along with the HS/1 Holocaust Suit - and, of course, the huge Judge Dredd Starter Set has just been released too!

What color green is that, and where do you keep the painting guides for the figures?

It's a fairly lethal skirmish game, so you'll want lots of terrain. I think standard board size is 4 by 4, but this can get a bit small with lots of vehicles.

Popular units... Judges I guess? Zombies for zombie teams? Every gang is customizable, even if it's just the hero. It depends what you want. Then you can add in temporary or permanent mercenaries.

I don't know of any reviews as the book is more or less just out. Get the free rules and try it out yourself I guess?

Well, anyone who could share insights into what makes the mechanics unique/flavorful, etc... would be appreciated. I usually don't drop $200 on something i've read this little on, but the few bits I hear are glowing.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So, a friend cherry picked some of FRP's stock for a Christmas gift, and got me a bunch of JD miniatures to go with my Starter set on the way. Hopefully that'll be enough to get started with.

Incidentally, is there anywhere I can read more about the game, fan reviews, popular units, anything? I'd like to learn as much as possible. I mean, even simple things, like how much terrain is recommended, etc? Table-size for average games?

Anyone with links to a fan site, would be appreciated as Google-Fu is failing me on this one.

Serious as a heart attack?

Read Dredd. Then the game makes sense on so many levels. You can use the stories for more missions after the main ones in the rulebook. OR use the ones in the rulebook as what the smaller fights build up to.
If you get the book, theres a whole lot of pain waiting inside of it. Its well structured that you can just up and start the game with just 1 squad, then add on from there.

Tables probibly best at a 4X4, but if your hard core, you can add on as much as a 4 X 8, or a 2X2 for those smaller scraps, such as if youd take a 3 juddge crew and kick in someones teeth and chase down a perp. Doug's got a good idea of using gak loads of civilians in there, they make for great fodder, and help with roaving cover.

Popular units? Check the gangs, and find what trips your fancy. Gorrilla gangs, mobsters, EastMeg, zombies, cultists, etc.... You can get pretty much anything.

If I was you, I would start small with a squad or two of whatever, get the rules download from the mongoose site, and get yourself some cardstock buildings from the numerous sites online.

Or, just start with a couple of boxes as large buildings, add in some smaller street scrap, as cover, and add in some broken toy trucks/ cars, rubble piles, and go for broke.

Dredd kicking in someones teeth is popular. 1 dredd and 2-3 other judges, vs a street gang of your choice. ( robots, gorrillas, the cultists, etc.....)

OR get a gang and hold your turf from other up and comers, as well as the Judges. The game plasy sweeter then I expected it would, and is fluid in that your fires/ couterfires make sense, and your not just sitting up there throwing guys on the table and putting them back away as fast as you set up.

Sites?

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/

http://www.matakishi.com/

http://forum.mongoosepublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=448623

http://www.warfactory.co.uk/scenery/citytarmac.php

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.caliber/mc1maps.htm

http://combatzonechronicles.net/

http://www.germy.co.uk/czpart1.html

http://www.germy.co.uk/czpart2.html


for just a few.

It's a simple d10 mechanic as others have said, with a 6 or the highest of an opposed roll being a success for actions, and rolling a 10 plus modifiers being a successfully negated hit as it pings off your armour. It has fun additions like having to arrest perps, and ways to level up heroes with a variety of campaign, combat, vehicle and psi talents. Again, why not try the free rules found on the Mongoose Publishing website?

Zond wrote:
It's a simple d10 mechanic as others have said, with a 6 or the highest of an opposed roll being a success for actions, and rolling a 10 plus modifiers being a successfully negated hit as it pings off your armour. It has fun additions like having to arrest perps, and ways to level up heroes with a variety of campaign, combat, vehicle and psi talents. Again, why not try the free rules found on the Mongoose Publishing website?

Honestly the Arrest mechanic is one of my favorite mechanics in any game, ever. It's really puts the Judges on even footing and makes some scenarios very tricky.

Plus, the arrest action ensures that you can't just go in guns blazing straight away.

Have to be honest, Chopper doesn't look a lot like his character in the comics.. :(

Zond wrote:Played a few more games and a few minor rule quibbles have appeared, nothing major however. It looks like the Mongoose/Warlord forums are dead however, so would be nice to know where we can ask rules queries without cluttering up news threads.

The Warlord historical forums are fairly well populated. It's early days yet, perhaps if you start some posts over there it might help bump up the numbers?

BrookM wrote:Citizen, stop misspelling my name. If you do it one more time, it's off to the cubes with you.

*resists arrest, runs away and gets a hi-ex bullet in the back*

judgedoug wrote:

Zond wrote:
It's a simple d10 mechanic as others have said, with a 6 or the highest of an opposed roll being a success for actions, and rolling a 10 plus modifiers being a successfully negated hit as it pings off your armour. It has fun additions like having to arrest perps, and ways to level up heroes with a variety of campaign, combat, vehicle and psi talents. Again, why not try the free rules found on the Mongoose Publishing website?

Honestly the Arrest mechanic is one of my favorite mechanics in any game, ever. It's really puts the Judges on even footing and makes some scenarios very tricky.

That sounds awesome.. could anyone give a very quick run-down on how it works?

 Pacific wrote:

judgedoug wrote:
Honestly the Arrest mechanic is one of my favorite mechanics in any game, ever. It's really puts the Judges on even footing and makes some scenarios very tricky.

That sounds awesome.. could anyone give a very quick run-down on how it works?

I hope this is okay. It's copypaste from the free pdf. Matt@Mongoose lemme know if you want me to remove it.

Though they almost always possess superior firepower, judges should never consider themselves executioners, even in the face of the most determined resistance. Years are spent at the Academy of Law developing the voices of cadets, instilling within them absolute authority. Any ordinary citizen will immediately halt when so ordered by a judge and even hardened criminals will think twice before disobeying.

Any judge can, as a Special action, order any one Minion within 15” and in Line of Sight to surrender and prepare to be arrested. Both models must roll a dice and add their Will score. If the judge rolls higher, the criminal is removed from the table immediately – it has thrown away its weapons and surrendered to the Law. If the criminal rolled higher, the model need not take any more Will checks in order to evade arrest during the rest of this fight.

By the same token, the judges must at least try to arrest gang members instead of simply killing them. A judge may not make a melee or shooting attack against any model unless it has successfully resisted arrest by passing the Will check or has already made a melee or shooting attack itself.

This means that when judges first move into a firefight, they will begin by trying to arrest their opponents, unless their enemies decide to open fire first.

Heroes will automatically succeed in resisting arrest, but judges must still make the attempt. They do not have to arrest robots or zombies, and may open fire immediately.

Have to say, thank you guys. I appreciate any nuggets of knowledge you put down here, as apparently others do too.

So this line has been available for ages, but the current/new rule book really is the first time this has been a proper game? Well that makes me feel better about the dearth of information available.

Anyone wanna be a hero of the web a do a longer rules/book review/preview?

Anyway... I've got the free rules primer, and will probably test the game out. Meanwhile, out of respect, i'll be keeping my existing order. I'd rather, on faith, go in big on a game I want to see do well.

So I have the Starter (thus the hardback rules, and all else it contains), plus a mess of punks, judges, etc... coming, again, about $200USD worth, for now.

I'm good on terrain as between Dust, Deadzone's terrain sprues, and other odds and ends, i'm sure I could freaking cover up to a 6x4 space with multi-story terrain.

 Pacific wrote:
Have to be honest, Chopper doesn't look a lot like his character in the comics.. :(

It's spot on for his first appearance



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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Have to say, thank you guys. I appreciate any nuggets of knowledge you put down here, as apparently others do too.

So this line has been available for ages, but the current/new rule book really is the first time this has been a proper game? Well that makes me feel better about the dearth of information available.

There was an older game called Gangs of Mega City One, that was, honestly, only so-so. It pitted street gangs against street gangs, and the only time judges showed up was when a weaker gang could rat out a tougher gang, or give the judges a tip, and that player could play the judges to mess up the other guy's gang. It was built for campaign play so some gangs did get really powerful. The mechanics were a little awkward (couldn't activate unless near a hero, etc). That was 2005 or so. Some of the minis from the current range are from that older range (hence the disparity in some sculpt quality)

The JDMG is a total rewrite, new concept, and throws everything characterful about the JD universe into the mix so everyone can play whatever they want. The rules are tighter and went through a year of public playtesting and several revisions. The final hardcover is an excellent product and the partnership with Warlord means it's getting distributed and supporter far better than it could have. I've gotten a local group of about ten people into it and we're starting up a campaign on the 29th.

Amazing. I'm eager to give this game a serious, serious go. Any idea when FRP games will move this from "preorder" to shipping, for American buyers?




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So what are these, and at the price, would they be a good buy to bulk up some forces?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUDGE-DREDD-Street-Gang-Miniature-Set-MEGA-CITY-ONE-GAME-MGP7051-Wargame-Models-/300913258677?pt=Games_US&hash=item460fd3f0b5

Thanks for posting that judgedoug

 judgedoug wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Have to be honest, Chopper doesn't look a lot like his character in the comics.. :(

It's spot on for his first appearance

Ah.. minus nerd points for me, didn't realise there was an older design for Chopper.

I thought it would be this, possibly one of the most well regarded stories to ever come out of 2000AD (have the graphic novel for this, and it is fething brilliant - try and get hold of it if you haven't read it!)

 chris_valera wrote:

£75 for 18 rather average metal miniatures. Yes, it includes a large size rulebook, but knowing Mongoose you can get them in a year off ebay for peanuts when Mongoose abandons the game wholesale in favor of hyping the next big thing to sucker gamers out of their hard-earned money.
I'll probably get those super-discounted GoMC1 gang figures from Troll and Toad that have been on steep discount for the past year or so.
It's not complaining, like a lot of people, I'm really hesitant about giving Mongoose any more of my money.
They never seem to learn.

Well, you're pretty clearly not interested or their target market. You bitch about them not being in plastic, then you bitch because you expect to find this stuff on clearance in a year's time. Clearly this game/Mongoose are Not For You.

Foundry has some nice Dredd Models in Metal. "Street gang" models of all sorts are easy to come by. Go buy those and house-rule some Necromunda or something?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Amazing. I'm eager to give this game a serious, serious go. Any idea when FRP games will move this from "preorder" to shipping, for American buyers?

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So what are these, and at the price, would they be a good buy to bulk up some forces?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUDGE-DREDD-Street-Gang-Miniature-Set-MEGA-CITY-ONE-GAME-MGP7051-Wargame-Models-/300913258677?pt=Games_US&hash=item460fd3f0b5

Those are the older Gangs of Mega City One plastic gangers. They are kinda soft details but are great for using as civilians (the weapons are separate) or for bulking up gangs.
They are actually on clearance at Troll and Toad for 4.99 per box - http://www.trollandtoad.com/p164200.html

Good old Warlord Games has two new items up for download: A rules primer and a roster sheet, thank Grudd!

You can find both here: http://www.warlordgames.com/40735/free-downloads-judge-dredd-get-you-started-ebook-and-roster-sheet/

Or for those drokkers who keep telling us we should know better..

Primer: http://warlordgames.com/downloads/pdf/jdrulesprimer.pdf

Roster: http://warlordgames.com/downloads/pdf/jdroster.pdf

Going halvesies with a mate on this starter box.

Splitting the painting too, half the Judges and half the Gang each. We'll agree on a scheme but then do our own take on it.

Hopefully thsi means I'll actually get a game or two in, as someone else will be as invested in it as I am!

Dredd, like X-Wing, could be a good access game for mates that aren't really in to miniature gaming but like these IPs.

The starter box is also a decent start for the Mega City One forces if you want to re-enact the Apocalypse War with the forthcoming Rogue Trooper rules. Unfortunately East Meg sold seperately.

We're also thinking of using the beta rules to try out the Rogue Trooper skirmish variant, with small Nort and South forces represented as gangs using the JDMG rules. Might even put them up against some Judges.

On a related note, anyone got any favourite 500 credit campaign starter teams?

Zond wrote:
The starter box is also a decent start for the Mega City One forces if you want to re-enact the Apocalypse War with the forthcoming Rogue Trooper rules. Unfortunately East Meg sold seperately.

We're also thinking of using the beta rules to try out the Rogue Trooper skirmish variant, with small Nort and South forces represented as gangs using the JDMG rules. Might even put them up against some Judges.

On a related note, anyone got any favourite 500 credit campaign starter teams?

2 Judges and a psi judge. Literally the cheapest starter of any game I can think of. $22.50 RRP + free rules. Just as much as some of the finecast models out there.

 judgedoug wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Amazing. I'm eager to give this game a serious, serious go. Any idea when FRP games will move this from "preorder" to shipping, for American buyers?

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So what are these, and at the price, would they be a good buy to bulk up some forces?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUDGE-DREDD-Street-Gang-Miniature-Set-MEGA-CITY-ONE-GAME-MGP7051-Wargame-Models-/300913258677?pt=Games_US&hash=item460fd3f0b5

Those are the older Gangs of Mega City One plastic gangers. They are kinda soft details but are great for using as civilians (the weapons are separate) or for bulking up gangs.
They are actually on clearance at Troll and Toad for 4.99 per box - http://www.trollandtoad.com/p164200.html

Is it worth buying > 1 box ? Are the sprues diverse enough to create 24 different models or would you end up with repeats ? And are multiple versions of the same model useful in the game ?

snaggled wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Amazing. I'm eager to give this game a serious, serious go. Any idea when FRP games will move this from "preorder" to shipping, for American buyers?

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So what are these, and at the price, would they be a good buy to bulk up some forces?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/JUDGE-DREDD-Street-Gang-Miniature-Set-MEGA-CITY-ONE-GAME-MGP7051-Wargame-Models-/300913258677?pt=Games_US&hash=item460fd3f0b5

Those are the older Gangs of Mega City One plastic gangers. They are kinda soft details but are great for using as civilians (the weapons are separate) or for bulking up gangs.
They are actually on clearance at Troll and Toad for 4.99 per box - http://www.trollandtoad.com/p164200.html

Is it worth buying > 1 box ? Are the sprues diverse enough to create 24 different models or would you end up with repeats ? And are multiple versions of the same model useful in the game ?

I own 20 boxes There's two sprues, each with 6 legs, (3 designs) 10 torsos (5 designs) and I think about 8 heads and a bunch of arms and weapons, plus shoulder pads and other little bits. They are totally worth getting a couple boxes of, if you'd like some random civilians wandering around. As I've said, they are not the highest quality, but they do the job. Plus they've got some generic rifles and pistol weapons which are always good for anything.

And you can use spare weapons from your Wargames Factory male and female zombie hunter boxes to augment them.

Those aren't bad at all. For the essentially free price (by our hobby standards) I just snagged two boxes.

Thanks guys!

Incidentally... tried hyping the game up amongst some local, hardcore gamer, friends, and it is funny... These folks are generally knowledgable, but I was met with a bunch of, "Mongoose makes cool games, but abandons them..." comments.

There must be a real messaging gap. It took my explaining the Warlord Games connection before I got a few folks to give them game a try, with me.

I just tell people that Warlord Games is doing Judge Dredd these days, works better.

Well, i'll definitely be doing it from now on. I'll be running a few promo games this weekend while the wife is out of town, using some proxies and the starter rules.

Today i'm painting up three Dark Angels on motorcycles as stand-in Judges on bikes. ;-)

So, still without having read the rules, I now have about 20 Punks/Juvies of various kinds coming, and then the Starter Box. :-p

It's a fun rule set, so kudos to Mongoose for that.

Like I said, I haven't heard a lot about it, but whenever something is said, it is generally glowing.

And I SOOOOO need a great skirmish game with scalability. Malifaux just turned so sour around here, and is only now slowly rebuilding. Meanwhile WM/H is loved, but still leaves room for something with 4-10 models per player.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Those aren't bad at all. For the essentially free price (by our hobby standards) I just snagged two boxes.

Thanks guys!

Incidentally... tried hyping the game up amongst some local, hardcore gamer, friends, and it is funny... These folks are generally knowledgable, but I was met with a bunch of, "Mongoose makes cool games, but abandons them..." comments.

There must be a real messaging gap. It took my explaining the Warlord Games connection before I got a few folks to give them game a try, with me.

Oh its true. Mongoose has had some issues in the past, but this game in particular was a pretty good upswing from thier past experiences.

I'm one that had a pretty good hate on for them, almost to the point of ignoring the KS and this game completely. The way in which they turned themselves around, and Matt coming over and taking some heat rounds and doing as well as could be as expected with that project has given me a little hope that they have started getting thier stuff together in terms of thier games.

THIS game in particular is one of my favorites, even a bit more then the old Starship troopers one was. Not to mention, its Dredd.

Still waiting on the vehicles, but as to the figures, there have been some issues with the distribution, but they seem to have that under control now.


The GOMC1 sets are a steal, but be warned- they take a special kind of love to get them up on the table and presentable.

And patience. the plastic is kinda gak and takes some extra care to put them together.

No worries. I also have the eight punks/juvies in the upcoming starter set, so i'm looking at the GOMC1 sets as virtually throw away fodder/civillians, etc... I mean... seriously, shipped they cost me $15 for two sets. :-p

I wish I was around for the Dredd Kickstarter. I would've loved to be involved since Day 1. As it stands, unable to wait for the starter set to come out, i'm tempted to buy the rules E-book.

That all said... the vehicles are the only thing making my head spin. One manta tank pre-order is listed as $150. OUCH. I can't wrap my head around that one, when I bought some huge Dust Warfare vehicles for $25.


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Incidentally, an opportunity just popped up to go play a few demo games. I suppose i'll post in a few hours and give some impressions for fellow noobies. :-)

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
No worries. I also have the eight punks/juvies in the upcoming starter set, so i'm looking at the GOMC1 sets as virtually throw away fodder/civillians, etc... I mean... seriously, shipped they cost me $15 for two sets. :-p

I wish I was around for the Dredd Kickstarter. I would've loved to be involved since Day 1. As it stands, unable to wait for the starter set to come out, i'm tempted to buy the rules E-book.

That all said... the vehicles are the only thing making my head spin. One manta tank pre-order is listed as $150. OUCH. I can't wrap my head around that one, when I bought some huge Dust Warfare vehicles for $25.

It's absolutely huge, and solid resin. And honestly it's like 900 credits and you'd only ever use it in a special scenario, not in your gang

One quick question, based on the primer rules...

What are the gear costs?

The Punks/Juves in the starter-rules get 75/50 credits worth of gear, but the .pdf doesn't have any gear costs listed.

Help?


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Edit: Fair warning... there are TWO rules primers floating around between Mongoose/Warlord's sites. One is missing costs, etc... and a second is a more update primer with the essential info.


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Hey folks... So, a few hours, and a few games later, and I feel justifiably sold on this game. If the game plays this well, and is this fun with such basic options, I can only imagine how good it will be with a LOT more flavor, etc... and the full/advanced rules.

Definitely one of the fastest playing, and most visceral skirmish games I have ever played, and yet Judges felt likes Judges, etc... It was easy to play in faction/character, which I think speaks to that weird, wonderful thing when rules/theme align just right in a game.

Also, a player had some of the Gangs of Mega-City One punks sets, and I have to say, their hideousness is grossly over-rated. He had a good 20-30 of them padding his collection/gang, and with a quick 'n dirty paint job, he had them looking characterful, and setting appropriate, and likewise, pretty diverse. I haven't see the sprues, but his 30 odd guys all looked fairly unique from one another.

Considering they can be had for under $8.00 US per set of twelve, I RAN home and ordered two more sets. The wife tends to play horde armies, and loves punk-aesthetics. Methinks putting 40 of these guys in front of her, with a great, simple rule-set, will have it see the table often.

I don't know... This thread started with some exceptional negativity from a few folks, but I am liking the minis i've seen well enough for their prices, and LOVE the rules.

This one feels like a big winner.

 Grot 6 wrote:

I'm one that had a pretty good hate on for them, almost to the point of ignoring the KS and this game completely. The way in which they turned themselves around, and Matt coming over and taking some heat rounds and doing as well as could be as expected with that project has given me a little hope that they have started getting thier stuff together in terms of thier games.

To be fair, I think we have always been good with our games - it was the miniatures side of things that let us (and you) down. We have now handed off _all_ our miniatures production to third parties - Dredd is being done by Warlord, Star Fleet by ADB, and Victory at Sea by Ainsty, all Good People, as they say.

Leaving us with game system and miniatures design. Best of all worlds, we hope!

Well, having no history with you guys, and no "dog in the fight" as they say, I can only speak to my first impressions of JDMG... and as you can see above, I have nothing but good things to say.

Its an incredible game even from primer-rules level experiences, and I can see all the places where it must really shine with full rules.

Incidentally, can anyone give me the rough credit cost/abilities of a Judge on a Lawmaster? I'm trying to figure out how many to order/paint, and I don't have my rule-book until Christmas. :-(

A Lawmaster is 150, so your standard starting Street Judge on the bike is 300. The Lawmaster packs a Twin Bike Cannon and the Cyclops Laser Cannon, and also comes with a scattergun for the Judge to use. As the hero levels up and becomes a better driver and picks the driving talents, you become more more proficient at dodging hits, able to do drive by boots to the face and drive by shotguns, and wheelie melee attacks of doom.

Oh wow. So the Lawmaster is a piece of gear.

I've got more conventional gaming going on in my imagination, where the Judge on Bike IS a unit unto itself.

So, if we intend to play, say 750pt - 1000pt games (Is that a good "medium" size?) would it be worth having a Lawmaster per Judge?

I looked at the Primer rules, and liked what I saw, so ordered the Starter Set. Bing impatient, I also got the e-book rules.

I'm loving the campaign rules. I spent many years playing Necromunda back in the day, and this reminds me of that a lot!

Can't wait for order to arrive now...

Gah.... I'm thinking I might need the Ebook too. Christmas is just so far away, and i'll be receiving and painting models by next weekend...

My only hope is that Deadzone ships so i'm thoroughly distracted.

Any other rule-book impressions?

I'll need to give it a good read - I just jumped to the campaign section this time.

Well, keep me posted as you might get Mongoose another "double dip" customer. ;-)

Meanwhile, I just ordered a bunch of scale cars, trucks, etc... for urban terrain purposes. In my head they have double-value as they're for Deadzone and Judge Dredd... but lets be realistic.... they're for Judge Dredd. :-p

I used Antenociti's Workshop vehicles, as they're nice and cheap and look great!

http://www.antenocitisworkshop.com/antenocitis/g-o-t-vehicles-1.html

So I did some digging and read a tiny bit about the "long vigilante" faction in the game.

Did that idea make it into the final rule-book? It sounded like it had options to really "homebrew" a super-hero favorite, and essentially drop it into the Judge Dredd game system. Is this right?

If you've read the comics, you'll see that even the super powered don't get away with helping out.

Just watched the new Dredd film again, bloody fantastic and has now made me want to play this game even more!

I will say, for any 40k fans who have yet to sample Dredd (or 2000AD) would definitely recommend it as it will almost certainly appeal - you'll recognise loads of common elements of character in 40k, and the guys who first made the game were big fans of the comic. Think Dan Abnett even did some writing for the comic at various points.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So I did some digging and read a tiny bit about the "long vigilante" faction in the game.

Did that idea make it into the final rule-book? It sounded like it had options to really "homebrew" a super-hero favorite, and essentially drop it into the Judge Dredd game system. Is this right?

Yes, he is in there. Looks a lot of fun!

This game is going to be (is?) amazing. I cannot wait to start really playing.

I know this is gonna sound awful, considering the "cult of the new" attitude most have, but how much I LOVED my demo games of JDMG, coupled with my massive order of Deadzone coming (which I obviously loved enough to WORK on it with Mantic), actually made it very easy to cancel my Alien vs Predator and Shadows of Brimstone Kickstarts. I just didn't feel good about ordering big bins full of stuff with no sense as to their mechanics, while I KNOW how wonderfully Deadzone and JDMG actually play.

I hope amidst all the hype, people take note of Judge Dredd, and at least pick up the book.



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So, to people already playing... and maybe the full rule-book clarifies... but the cover rules for shooting never expressly tell you to ignore intervening terrain you're in.

So if 'm in cover, and can only see a bit of the target's torso because of the wall I AM HIDING BEHIND, does this mean the enemy gets the cover bonus? I mean... logic says no, but I am used to rules outright saying, "ignore any intervening terrain you're within 1" of, or base contact with...." etc...

UltraPrime wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So I did some digging and read a tiny bit about the "long vigilante" faction in the game. Did that idea make it into the final rule-book? It sounded like it had options to really "homebrew" a super-hero favorite, and essentially drop it into the Judge Dredd game system. Is this right?

Yes, he is in there. Looks a lot of fun!

Worth noting here that most of the forces are still being developed for, so expect to see some new goodies surface over the next few months, Lone Vigilante included!

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

So, to people already playing... and maybe the full rule-book clarifies... but the cover rules for shooting never expressly tell you to ignore intervening terrain you're in.

So if 'm in cover, and can only see a bit of the target's torso because of the wall I AM HIDING BEHIND, does this mean the enemy gets the cover bonus? I mean... logic says no, but I am used to rules outright saying, "ignore any intervening terrain you're within 1" of, or base contact with...." etc...

It's from the model's eye view, so if you measure LOS from the model and it's hiding fully behind a wall then there's no LOS... so in you're example, I'd say the enemy gets the cover bonus, of from the model's eye view you can only see a bit of the target's torso (like, looking through a mail slot?)

So Matt... if I may ask... are there further plans for this game, in terms of additional books, etc?

Am I correct in saying the new hardcover has rules for all the existing, or very soon to be release models? If so, what is the "next step"... IE... will you do an expansion book, and then slowly release models FOR those rules, as many other companies tend to?

Oh, and now that my Mantic work is done, do you need a fluff writer, or editor? ;-) I work cheap... IE, for models? ;-)


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 judgedoug wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

So, to people already playing... and maybe the full rule-book clarifies... but the cover rules for shooting never expressly tell you to ignore intervening terrain you're in.

So if 'm in cover, and can only see a bit of the target's torso because of the wall I AM HIDING BEHIND, does this mean the enemy gets the cover bonus? I mean... logic says no, but I am used to rules outright saying, "ignore any intervening terrain you're within 1" of, or base contact with...." etc...

It's from the model's eye view, so if you measure LOS from the model and it's hiding fully behind a wall then there's no LOS... so in you're example, I'd say the enemy gets the cover bonus, of from the model's eye view you can only see a bit of the target's torso (like, looking through a mail slot?)

Well, I should clarify.

Lets say I have LOS on an enemy model, but they're out in the open... the model I am drawing LOS from is, however, peeking out from around a wall. Technically the wall I am hiding behind partially obstructs my view.

Does the target have cover, because of the cover I am in. :-p Or, is it the common sense answer, "No, dummy... of course you're not giving cover to an enemy model if you're the one in it...."?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So Matt... if I may ask... are there further plans for this game, in terms of additional books, etc?

Hard plastic Sovs, MC-1 Judges, and Citi-def and the Apocalypse War wargame.
...right Matt?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:


Well, I should clarify.

Lets say I have LOS on an enemy model, but they're out in the open... the model I am drawing LOS from is, however, peeking out from around a wall. Technically the wall I am hiding behind partially obstructs my view.

Does the target have cover, because of the cover I am in. :-p Or, is it the common sense answer, "No, dummy... of course you're not giving cover to an enemy model if you're the one in it...."?

I see what you're saying. If the imaginary infinitely thin line going from the model's head to the target model doesn't actually touch the wall then it's fine. If that is blocked by the wall the firer is hiding behind then I'm not sure it would have LOS at all in the first place.

Fair enough. I think I need to stop over-thinking, and just appreciate the simple elegance of the rules. I am just sooooo used to games spelling out every hypothetical nuance... which, ironically is what scared away many new players from Malifaux around here. :-p

So Matt... about us working together. ;-) You do realize I have published graphic novels right? I think between that an the Mantic stuff, i'd say i'm pretty tailor made to work on a comic game. ;-)

WE are waiting on the vehicles.

Lots of them, by the way. The comic stuff is in the game, as well. You can right now do most of the major plotlines with whats available.

Matt needs help in the distribution section.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So Matt... if I may ask... are there further plans for this game, in terms of additional books, etc?

Am I correct in saying the new hardcover has rules for all the existing, or very soon to be release models? If so, what is the "next step"... IE... will you do an expansion book, and then slowly release models FOR those rules, as many other companies tend to?

The rulebook indeed does have all the rules for all existing models, plus those due to be released in the next 3-4 months or so. However, we are not sitting on our laurels. Far from it.

There will be an expansion book, but that is likely to be at the bottom end of next year, at best. Until then, we will be doing a veritable salvo of web articles and downloads that introduce new firefights, rules and models.

These range from single models (Orlok, Judges with Stub Guns, a new Klegg and more Klegghounds, just off the top of my head) to entire forces (Eldsters and Hondo Cit Judges are very much on the cards). We will also be looking at new ways to use existing models (aside from more Famous Firefights, we are currently - right now - working on variant Futsies and an all-Mechanismo force).

Priority goes to the remaining Kickstarter models (steadily bearing down on the last of these - aside from a few odds and sods, we are basically looking at the Judda, Biker Gangs and vehicles for this game, ABC Warriors are seperate, though they are being sculpted right now), but brand new stuff is already starting to appear. We already have the green for Orlok, for example, and the new Klegg I mentioned is already getting painted. And we showcased Cal's SJS Judges on the Eye on Mongoose page on Facebook.

Once the vehicles appear properly, the Death on the Megway rules will be released (think Dark Future/Car Wars, but in Mega-City One and with minimum speeds of 200mph, all compatible with the existing campaign rules!). Then when Rogue Trooper kicks in, we will do crossover rules so you can fight the Apocalypse War (or any other large confrontation).

Design-wise, Judge Dredd/Rogue Trooper will be getting our near full attention for a good long while. We'll still be popping in the occasional Victory at Sea ship though

 judgedoug wrote:


Hard plastic Sovs, MC-1 Judges, and Citi-def and the Apocalypse War wargame.
...right Matt?

Won't be on the cards for a while - that depends on you chaps and how successful you are getting your mates to play the game However, with the right amount of interest, it is not beyond the realms of possibility.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

So Matt... about us working together. ;-) You do realize I have published graphic novels right? I think between that an the Mantic stuff, i'd say i'm pretty tailor made to work on a comic game. ;-)

If you were illustrating graphic novels rather than writing them, I would tear your arm off However, drop me a line at msprange@mongoosepublishing.com with a few ideas - maybe some new Famous Firefights would be a nice, easy start - and we'll take it from there

 Grot 6 wrote:

Matt needs help in the distribution section.

What we really need right now is for all you chaps to go forth and evangelise this game. Get all your mates playing, and everything else will take care of itself

Our playing has hit a hiatus due to some rules needing a bit of clarification. Made a thread on the Mongoose Forums, hoping a bigwig will sort of all out.

MongooseMatt wrote:

Design-wise, Judge Dredd/Rogue Trooper will be getting our near full attention for a good long while. We'll still be popping in the occasional Victory at Sea ship though

I'd like to hear more about the above, please

Well, I sent Matt an email with a sort of curriculum vitae, so lets see how it works out. Mantic folk have nothing but nice things to say about me, which should help. :-p

Anyway, I just cancelled the aforementioned Kickstarters, and left with some cash, and the presence of mind saved by not adding two more games to my backlog, I decided i'll buy the Ebook rules while I await my beautiful starter set.... Then, being an impulsive ass, I also order a set of Judges on Lawmasters, and a few more punks.

Oh, and what's this? One of my Gangs of MegaCity One boxes arrived.

Yep, this game has some hooks in me.

Personally I'd like to see more about Rogue Trooper.
There have been no models or renders since the end of the Kickstarter, over 8 months ago.
We're coming on for two months past the delivery date, and all we've got is a promise of a model no-one wants (which hasn't turned up)
As far as we (the backers) can tell, there was only one sculptor for the whole project, and he's dropped off the face of the earth.
I have entirely lost faith in Mongoose over this.

I missed my Judge Dress weekly game due to getting engaged today. The now fiance has given me carte blanche to go nuts on hobby projects for the next while, so I'm thinking at least 5 or 6 big gangs. Might need to do a couple proposing and being arrested by a Judge for wilfull loitering.

 HudsonD wrote:

MongooseMatt wrote:

We'll still be popping in the occasional Victory at Sea ship though

I'd like to hear more about the above, please

Well, next week, we will have the masters of the J, K, N and Narvik-class destroyers in our hands, and the Nelson & Rodney will be following soon after!

Has anyone got the starter set yet?

Zond wrote:
I missed my Judge Dress weekly game due to getting engaged today. The now fiance has given me carte blanche to go nuts on hobby projects for the next while, so I'm thinking at least 5 or 6 big gangs. Might need to do a couple proposing and being arrested by a Judge for wilfull loitering.

OK, so who dresses as Quincy? Slocum? And you're planning a big gang bang?

Damn you predictive text! Generally I wear the dress and my friend who got us into the game has the honor of wearing the sexy underpants.

We could always use a perp to frisk however Conrad.

Sorry Zond, but you're closer to L.A. than I am!


You should be able to find plenty of frisky perps there.

Hey gents,
for anyone getting into the game, I went through my massive amounts of Dredd minis and realized I had several extra sets of figs I don't need. Including some East Meg Invasion Forces. PM me if you're interested; selling them at a massive discount as I don't need them.

Reposting over from a now closed thread:

MongooseMatt wrote:
Planet Mongoose, as always, has the scoop on the Judge Dredd miniatures game - we have just posted brand new rules introducing random events to your games.

http://blog.mongoosepublishing.co.uk/?p=613

Many forces clash in Mega-City One and beyond, each fighting for their values, Credits, or because they are just plain mean. However, firefights are rarely simple affairs and there always seems to be something making life harder for the people of Mega-City One.

Random events introduce this unpredictability into your games. They are a series of arbitrary events and occurrences that players can take advantage of or try their best to avoid!

Check back on Planet Mongoose regularly, as we will be posting new material every Friday.

I Like Dredd... I really do... But these models... I just... I just can't

There's always alternatives, the rules are great on their own.

Cool I just found out about this game! But now I'm gonna have to get my dredd comics out of the attic

Checked out the range on warlord and while I see some things that dont impress me, the judges are spot on. Would like some city militia type units for block wars though, those were one of my favorite peculiarities of Mega city one. The dark judges are my favorite moment in the dredd verse (gaze into the fist of dredd!) But was slightly dissapointed with the minis.

The starter set, is this a fair fight? Seems like I'll need more punks. I assume models have a point value. What are weapon ranges like? Lawgivers should have a decent range IMHO.

 jedi76 wrote:
Cool I just found out about this game! But now I'm gonna have to get my dredd comics out of the attic

Checked out the range on warlord and while I see some things that dont impress me, the judges are spot on. Would like some city militia type units for block wars though, those were one of my favorite peculiarities of Mega city one. The dark judges are my favorite moment in the dredd verse (gaze into the fist of dredd!) But was slightly dissapointed with the minis.

The starter set, is this a fair fight? Seems like I'll need more punks. I assume models have a point value. What are weapon ranges like? Lawgivers should have a decent range IMHO.

Citi-Def Militia (my painting versions)





Mongoose link

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/judge-dredd/the-citi-def.html

Doesn't seem to be on the Warlord site yet.

The starter set isn't a fair 8 on 8 (or 9 on 9 with the bonus figures) fight, but the game isn't really set up that way - it's point based, and judges will tend to cost a lot more per figure than punks. You could probably build a 3 or 4 judge/ cadet force that would balance points wise to all 8 or 9 Street Punks. The judges starter has a lot more variety to allow your 3 or 4 judges to have different 'flavours'.

Did Matt do a state of mongoose yearly address for 2013?

@rich red nice citi-def squad! Whats the name of their block, the Betty Crockers? I will have to get those and start my own block wars. Hopefully I can find them here in the states. Can't wait to get the book!

warboss wrote:Did Matt do a state of mongoose yearly address for 2013?

NOt yet - he's said he will but has said that right now he's swamped with day to day stuff.

jedi76 wrote:@rich red nice citi-def squad! Whats the name of their block, the Betty Crockers? I will have to get those and start my own block wars. Hopefully I can find them here in the states. Can't wait to get the book!

They're Ebeneezer Goode Block (E's are good E's are good, He's Ebeneezer Goode) although the colours were actually taken from my Ned's Atomic Dustbin cycling top lol.

Not sure who the US distributor would be, but whoever does Warlord's stuff should have them when they get full release (they came out post-KS but Warlord doesn't seem to have taken them on fully yet).

 jedi76 wrote:
The starter set, is this a fair fight? Seems like I'll need more punks. I assume models have a point value. What are weapon ranges like? Lawgivers should have a decent range IMHO.

Most guns tend to be in the 15-20" range - lawgivers are 18" and extremely powerful but there is a cool mechanic that you have to try and arrest potential perps before you can just gun them down Of course if they shoot at you - all best are off but it applies sper model so there are some interesting tactical choices as it takes a full turn to move up and try to arrest.

Cover and armour are important - most tables should have lots of cover - although bikes in particular change the game quite consideably once they are involved - hence me looking foward to my Ape Biker gang!

We have just released a slew of new models for Judge Dredd, including the Judges of the World set and Mini-Bot reinforcements for Renegade Robot players.



This is a Luxor Judge from the World Judges set, and he is joined by Judges from the Emerald Isle, Texas City, Oz, Hondo-Cit, Vatican City, Banana City and Cal-Hab.

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/judge-dredd/judges-of-the-world/judges-of-the-world.html



Mini-Bots, on the other hand, are small but have a serious attitude when it comes to their former human masters!

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/judge-dredd/renegaderobots/mini-bots.html

And on top of all that, we have the return of the Fatties!



http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/judge-dredd/perps-and-mercenaries/fattie.html

These Fatties now have resin models, making them a little more durable if dropped and less of a weight in your carry case!

richred_uk wrote:

warboss wrote:Did Matt do a state of mongoose yearly address for 2013?

NOt yet - he's said he will but has said that right now he's swamped with day to day stuff.

Cool, thanks for the update. Even though I haven't been a regular customer since the d20 and starship trooper days, I still like to read his thoughts on the industry for the year.

MongooseMatt wrote:We have just released a slew of new models for Judge Dredd, including the Judges of the World set and Mini-Bot reinforcements for Renegade Robot players.
*snip*
And on top of all that, we have the return of the Fatties!



http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/judge-dredd/perps-and-mercenaries/fattie.html

These Fatties now have resin models, making them a little more durable if dropped and less of a weight in your carry case!

For those of us not familiar with the Judge Dredd comic universe... um... is that pelvic attachment what I think it is?

The pelvic attachment is a belly wheel:

So I'm going to go with, "No, it isn't what you think it is."

Am I right?

No, it's not... thankfully!

MongooseMatt wrote:




http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/judge-dredd/perps-and-mercenaries/fattie.html

Adds new definition to the term wheelie.

That, or he is giving birth to a space marine biker. We all knew that GW got them from somewhere.

Haha yes, that's also possible.

The belly-wheel has been around in 2000AD for ages, since I have know the comic probably since the early 90's at least.

And, looking at the size of some people on my local high-street these days, probably only a matter of time until one of them gets made for real

The earliest I can remember Fatties is 1982 when, in a post Apocalypse War story, the League of Fatties was born out of a need to steal food when it was rationed to the populace. After that you had the eating as sport with 'Abdominal Arnie' Stodgeman and then the uplifting story of 'Two Ton Tony Tubbs' and his struggle to hit the two ton mark....and then walk.

So gloriously un-PC, especially as one fellow comments "We've got full arm sink" when testing how fat Arnie is!

Don't forget that Fatties were for a long time put in a special ghetto because they are well, fat.

Also, the Dredd movie also features a dead fatty with a belly wheel all the way at the start, when the surviving perp from the van runs into that mall. You can briefly see a dead fatty on the ground, complete with wheel.

 BrookM wrote:
Don't forget that Fatties were for a long time put in a special ghetto because they are well, fat.

Also, the Dredd movie also features a dead fatty with a belly wheel all the way at the start, when the surviving perp from the van runs into that mall. You can briefly see a dead fatty on the ground, complete with wheel.

The Arnie Stodgeman story showed one Fattie being released because he'd dropped below the target weight only for a Judge to deadpan "He'll binge tonight to celebrate and be back in tomorrow".

There is so much to raid for production with Dredd being around since 1977. Blob gangs, Captain Skank, Gila Munja, the Cursed Earth storyline. On that subject, we need rules for the Dredd world's Landraider because I'm sure I still have the Matchbox toy of that kicking around at my parents.

alphaecho wrote:
The earliest I can remember Fatties is 1982 when, in a post Apocalypse War story, the League of Fatties was born out of a need to steal food when it was rationed to the populace.

Take a trip to Planet Mongoose this Friday, as we have a new Dredd article coming that covers exactly this

Are those robots the old MegaMini robots?

Where is the maid bot that was pushing the sweeper? You need to add her with a larger bust and guns in each hand.

Any way of getting that old Demobot sculpt? He'd be a HUGE asset to any upstanding rebel Bot crews...

 Grot 6 wrote:
Are those robots the old MegaMini robots?

Where is the maid bot that was pushing the sweeper? You need to add her with a larger bust and guns in each hand.

I don't think so... I found this pic of the MegaMinis bots

 Grot 6 wrote:
Are those robots the old MegaMini robots?

Where is the maid bot that was pushing the sweeper? You need to add her with a larger bust and guns in each hand.

Any way of getting that old Demobot sculpt? He'd be a HUGE asset to any upstanding rebel Bot cre0ws...

They are from mongoose' s old paranoia range (I was told elsewhere).

It is Friday, so time for a new article on the Judge Dredd miniatures game!

Today, we present a brand new scenario, Rolling Thunder, the first of the new Justice Department Missions. Following a disaster, there is a critical food shortage in some parts of the city which guarantees a rioting crowd. This time, however, they are spearheaded by the Fatties!

You can find Rolling Thunder on Planet Mongoose at;

http://blog.mongoosepublishing.co.uk/?p=621

richred_uk wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
Are those robots the old MegaMini robots?

Where is the maid bot that was pushing the sweeper? You need to add her with a larger bust and guns in each hand.

Any way of getting that old Demobot sculpt? He'd be a HUGE asset to any upstanding rebel Bot cre0ws...

They are from mongoose' s old paranoia range (I was told elsewhere).

Thanks, I knew I had seen them somewhere before. ( I have them. ) Just forgot where I got them from.

Warlord has these for sale now by the way:

NEW: CHIEF JUDGE CAL’S PERSONAL RETINUE

Out today is the insane lunatic Chief Judge Cal with his retinue of Judges and the monstrous Klegg mercenaries. As we’ve seen from our own Judge Dredd campaign, this force is deadly!



Once he came to power, Chief Judge Caligula instigated a reign of terror over Mega-City One. Resistance was cruelly put down with the brain-washed judges of the Justice Department and, later, with the alien Kleggs who were promised a feast of the city’s own citizens! When he appeared in public, Caligula had a sizeable armed force behind him. Chief Judge Caligula’s personal retinue is a force that will never lack for enemies and while it may appear very similar to a Justice Department force, you will find it is far nastier!



This boxed set contains two superb exclusive (and just a little bit odd!) miniatures – Judges Glass and Quincy. Sentenced to death by the mad tyrant Cal, they were saved by the quick thinking of SJS Judge Slocombe although they would be humiliated by having to wear non-regulation clothing – Quincy in his underpants and Glass donning a child’s dress and lollipop!

The set is also led by a brand new Chief Judge Caligula miniature…



We’ve also taken the opportunity to modify the Klegg models – they they have separate heads, allowing you to decide which goes on which body for more variety in your force.



We’ll end with a stirring rendition of the Klegg Dance of Death:

NEW: THE EXECUTIONER AND OOLA BLINT

We have two new mercenaries to boost the killing power of your gang this week…



A strikingly beautiful woman, Oola Blint became the Angel of Mercy, visiting the lonely, the desperate, and the dejected to grant them the sweet release of a dignified death – whether they wanted it or not.



A lone vigilante, Blanche Tatum went on a killing spree to avenge her murdered husband. Thrown out of the Academy of Law in her 12th year for a liaison with a man she eventually married, Blanche Tatum became a vigilante known as the Executioner when her husband was killed by gangsters.

Where is Judge Fish?

 Grot 6 wrote:
Where is Judge Fish?

We'll get to him but, as a gaming piece, he is not the highest priority (Grampus, on the other hand...).

Today, Planet Mongoose hosts another of its weekly Dredd articles. This time, it is Guardians of Justice, a range of new Lone Vigilantes for you to try in your games!

You can find the full scoop here;

http://blog.mongoosepublishing.co.uk/?p=626

 Grot 6 wrote:
Where is Judge Fish?

That's "Deputy Chief Judge Fish", to you!

However, I'd still like to see "Fergee" first.

 Conrad Turner wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
Where is Judge Fish?

That's "Deputy Chief Judge Fish", to you!

However, I'd still like to see "Fergee" first.

Your wish is my Command

We have just released the Rogue Trooper blister pack, containing Rogue himself, a Nort Soldier and a Souther Soldier;

http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/judge-dredd/rogue-trooper-set.html

And now Planet Mongoose features the rules to get these models into your games of Judge Dredd!

http://blog.mongoosepublishing.co.uk/?p=644

Hey there MM, any news on the Wagons?

They are the biggest thing I am excited for!

Still waiting on my Lawmasters I pledged for on the Rogue Trooper KS :(

 judgedoug wrote:
Still waiting on my Lawmasters I pledged for on the Rogue Trooper KS :(

Just out of curiosity (as I didn't pledge), who is handling sending stuff out, Mongoose or Warlord?

I have the rulebook and a bunch of old Foundry figures and gangers from various sources, but have not played a game yet.

I've gotten all my packages from Mongoose.

I was just curious. I wonder if the switch over is part of the reason you're still missing stuff.

The last word I had from MGP was that they were indeed waiting on the Lawmasters to be cast by Warlord and sent to them for fulfillment. That was a while back though. Nov 7 then again Jan 7. and now it's Feb 7!

Our regular Friday update of the Judge Dredd miniatures game continues on Planet Mongoose. This week, to coincide with the release of the new Chief Judge Cal's Personal Retinue set, we have rules for Shamed Judges. Now you too can make a mockery of Mega-City One's Finest (it is for their own good, really).



You can find the rules here;

http://blog.mongoosepublishing.co.uk/?p=661

The regular Friday Dredd goodness continues on Planet Mongoose. This time, we introduce a Famous Firefight for you to try out, with Mutie the Pig!

http://blog.mongoosepublishing.co.uk/?p=669

This week's Planet Mongoose rules article for the Judge Dredd miniatures game is Dino Rampage, a set of rules to get toy dinosaurs fighting your lovingly cared for force - and you don't even need an opponent!

You can read on how to introduce dinosaurs into your games here;

http://blog.mongoosepublishing.co.uk/?p=705

Because everything is better with dinosaurs...

I'm really disappointed with how my pledge has turned out. The higher you pledged the slower your fulfillment, as Mongoose work their way from bottom to top. That's fine but they've forgotten about me a few times now and need constant reminding.

On top of that with the funds from the kickstarter they've been able to update lots of box sets. Judge Cal's retinue now comes with the disgraced Judges, the Cabal box set comes with additional miniatures which we helped to fund and create but I've recieved all the old box sets.

So for taking a gamble on Mongoose with their reputation I've been forgotten about and fobbed off. Serves me right I guess.

Think yourself lucky you're not in on the Rogue Trooper stuff.
We've been mostly fobbed off and ignored.
It took nearly a year from the funding date before we even saw WIP photos.
I certainly won't be pledging to Mongoose if they ever do another one.

Alas I'm in that one as well, but not for too much.

I've been pretty vocal about my disappointment with the Dredd kickstarter. It would have to be the deal of a lifetime to get me to support another Mongoose project, or even buy from them directly. Anything I want from them I'll buy from trusted sellers, or try to get secondhand.

This is a pretty routine sequence:

* Matt makes some declaration about something (All X's have been shipped, this is ready, Y won't go on sale until backers have them, etc)
* Something else actually happens (usually, X isn't shipped, Y goes sale, etc)
* I comment on the something else (publicly or privately)
* Matt chides me for commenting (publicly or privately)
* I coallate and repost his own words (publicly or privately)
* He responds with "oh, process X was broken, we're fixing it"

Rinse, repeat.


On top of that, the pace of miniatures released to Kickstarter backers has slowed down since the Warlord takeover, not increased, although they've created a new number of new Dredd pieces that aren't part of the Kickstarter, as mentioned. And let's not even talk about the rest of the vehicles. The Manta took a year, I wonder how long the Pat Wagons are going to be (if we ever see them) - and the number of "oops it broke, the dog ate my homework" posts is disturbing.



Really disappointing.



That said, the good news (and I keep reminding myself there is good news because the rest is so irritating) is that at least they're shipping stuff. Sure, its a pain in the to track everything (someone has to bother), and figuring is and isn't supposed to be out (and to whom) is an issue, but the models keep trickling out, and most of the models are pretty good. When I get uber-frustrated I got read Defiance Game's or Robotech's comment board, and I think "it could be way worse".

I've lost count of the "photos coming later this week" and "the sculptor has had some personal issues" excuses.