Let's file this under First World Problems (instead of Racist Hispanic Woman Making Stuff Up Because She Wants To Be Black/Gay, Too).

Nathan Harden wrote:Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich is Racist, Says Portland School Official



Did you know that eating or even talking about a peanut butter and jelly sandwich could be considered racist?

That’s right.

Apparently, it’s because people in some cultures don’t eat sandwich bread. Verenice Gutierrez, principal of Harvey Scott K-8 School in Portland explained in and interview with the Portland Tribune:

“Take the peanut butter sandwich, a seemingly innocent example a teacher used in a lesson last school year,” the Tribune said.

“What about Somali or Hispanic students, who might not eat sandwiches?” Gutierrez asked. “Another way would be to say: ‘Americans eat peanut butter and jelly, do you have anything like that?’ Let them tell you. Maybe they eat torta. Or pita.”

The Tribune noted that the school started the new year with “intensive staff trainings, frequent staff meetings, classroom observations and other initiatives,” to help educators understand their own “white privilege,” in order to “change their teaching practices to boost minority students’ performance.”"Last Wednesday, the first day of the school year for staff, for example, the first item of business for teachers at Scott School was to have a Courageous Conversation — to examine a news article and discuss the ‘white privilege’ it conveys,” the Tribune added.

Gutierrez completed a week-long seminar called “Coaching for Educational Equity,” a program the Tribune says focuses “on race and how it affects life.” She also serves on an administrative committee that focuses on systematic racism.

“Our focus school and our Superintendent’s mandate that we improve education for students of color, particularly Black and Brown boys, will provide us with many opportunities to use the protocols of Courageous Conversations in data teams, team meetings, staff meetings, and conversations amongst one another,” she said in a letter to staff.

You can read more about principal Gutierrez’s sandwich-sensitivity philosophy here.

Next time you’re in the bread aisle at the grocery store, you may want to think twice. Sensitive liberal educators are now recommending the “torta” or the “pita” as a more culturally inclusive alternative.

Now that you’ve been made aware of the evil of PB&J, there’s only one question left to answer: Is white bread more racist than whole wheat?

Peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Yuk.

Is it now discriminatory to point out the weird stuff you eat over there, I hope not.

“white privilege,”

Ah. The new race card. The equivalent of "I'm not racist but", but even worse because of the hypocritical nature of the racism involved in the accusation. As soon as anyone says that or Male Privilege they instantly negate the rest of the argument no matter how valid.

But you can't taste the racism.

 Ahtman wrote:
But you can't taste the racism.

Well, if it tastes anything like homophobia; then it probably tastes delicious. Damn you, Chik-Fil-A!

It looks like a suppurating wound.

By the look of that sandwich you could probably do with branching out a little... So while it's not racist, it might be better in the long run.

I love stories like this. They let a wide range of people go, "Well, at least I'm not that fething stupid." And nothing brings people together more.

I don't see why americans insist on putting jam on peanut butter. I have had one (made by an american using american ingredients) and it basically tasted like a peanut butter sandwich. Why bother with the jam?

I get the impression that some people trawl the internet looking for stories simply to bait dakka with.

This story is over a year old:

Created on Thursday, 06 September 2012 01:00

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/114604-schools-beat-the-drum-for-equity


Do we not have anything new to be upset about?

Banging my head on the table will commence in....
3...
2...
1...

*BONK*

*BONK*

*Bonk*

*Bonk*

*Bonk*

*slips into blissful unconsciousness*

I don't mind a PB and J, but I do usually skip the J and just do the PB. Honey Roasted PB...

 d-usa wrote:
This story is over a year old:

Created on Thursday, 06 September 2012 01:00

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/114604-schools-beat-the-drum-for-equity


Do we not have anything new to be upset about?

Clearly none of us had heard about it. Keep practicing your mini mod there D, you're working miracles.

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
This story is over a year old:

Created on Thursday, 06 September 2012 01:00

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/114604-schools-beat-the-drum-for-equity


Do we not have anything new to be upset about?

Clearly none of us had heard about it. Keep practicing your mini mod there D, you're working miracles.

I could have sworn that we had a thread here about it, but my search has left me empty.

Doesn't change the whole "why is a random blogger pissed today and talking about stupid gak that happened 14 months ago" question though. Must be a slow "sucks to be white" news day for them.

If you aren't eating Fluffernutters you are doing it wrong

 Palindrome wrote:
I don't see why americans insist on putting jam on peanut butter. I have had one (made by an american using american ingredients) and it basically tasted like a peanut butter sandwich. Why bother with the jam?

Jelly, not jam. (Although, over there, you might call our jelly jam. Not sure).

Sounds like not enough jelly was used.

Now I'm curious on what is called "torta" there, since we speak Spanish in my country and torta means cake /:

 kronk wrote:

 Palindrome wrote:
I don't see why americans insist on putting jam on peanut butter. I have had one (made by an american using american ingredients) and it basically tasted like a peanut butter sandwich. Why bother with the jam?

Jelly, not jam. (Although, over there, you might call our jelly jam. Not sure).

Sounds like not enough jelly was used.

Jelly in British English (as opposed to proper American English) means Jell-o, I believe. Gelatin.

 Dark wrote:
Now I'm curious on what is called "torta" there, since we speak Spanish in my country and torta means cake /:

In Mexico, and therefore in many parts of the US, a torta is a type of sandwich, which makes the section where she says that they don't eat sandwiches, they eat tortas, a very strange thing.

Jelly is this:


Jam is the red stuff on this:


At least that's what it is in the civilized world.

That would be jelly (or jam, they're often interchangeable) in the US. The top one would be Jell-o, regardless of who the gelatin manufacturer actually is.

 Dark wrote:
Now I'm curious on what is called "torta" there, since we speak Spanish in my country and torta means cake /:

It's used for allot of things, meaning different things in different Spanish speaking countries, but in this case I assume she means the Mexican meaning which is basically a bread roll.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Dark wrote:
Now I'm curious on what is called "torta" there, since we speak Spanish in my country and torta means cake /:

In Mexico, and therefore in many parts of the US, a torta is a type of sandwich, which makes the section where she says that they don't eat sandwiches, they eat tortas, a very strange thing.

That's a sandwich /).< or the most localize will call it "sanguche" which be a phonetic aproximation.

Ask for cake here and you'll get this:



or this too (because as a modism inherited from Spain, torta also means a punch iin the face, so be careful xD)[/color]

 kronk wrote:

Sounds like not enough jelly was used.

It was about 2/3rds peanut butter and 1/3rd jam (well grape jelly, which tasted nothing like grapes).

Will they be scrapping teaching in English as that is racist?

 SilverMK2 wrote:
Will they be scrapping teaching in English as that is racist?

In primary school, we didn't learn "English", we learnt "Literacy", and we were encouraged to call English Literacy. That didn't work out too well.

 Breotan wrote:
Let's file this under First World Problems (instead of Racist Hispanic Woman Making Stuff Up Because She Wants To Be Black/Gay, Too).

Nathan Harden wrote:Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich is Racist, Says Portland School Official



Did you know that eating or even talking about a peanut butter and jelly sandwich could be considered racist?

That’s right.

Apparently, it’s because people in some cultures don’t eat sandwich bread. Verenice Gutierrez, principal of Harvey Scott K-8 School in Portland explained in and interview with the Portland Tribune:

“Take the peanut butter sandwich, a seemingly innocent example a teacher used in a lesson last school year,” the Tribune said.

“What about Somali or Hispanic students, who might not eat sandwiches?” Gutierrez asked. “Another way would be to say: ‘Americans eat peanut butter and jelly, do you have anything like that?’ Let them tell you. Maybe they eat torta. Or pita.”

The Tribune noted that the school started the new year with “intensive staff trainings, frequent staff meetings, classroom observations and other initiatives,” to help educators understand their own “white privilege,” in order to “change their teaching practices to boost minority students’ performance.”"Last Wednesday, the first day of the school year for staff, for example, the first item of business for teachers at Scott School was to have a Courageous Conversation — to examine a news article and discuss the ‘white privilege’ it conveys,” the Tribune added.

Gutierrez completed a week-long seminar called “Coaching for Educational Equity,” a program the Tribune says focuses “on race and how it affects life.” She also serves on an administrative committee that focuses on systematic racism.

“Our focus school and our Superintendent’s mandate that we improve education for students of color, particularly Black and Brown boys, will provide us with many opportunities to use the protocols of Courageous Conversations in data teams, team meetings, staff meetings, and conversations amongst one another,” she said in a letter to staff.

You can read more about principal Gutierrez’s sandwich-sensitivity philosophy here.

Next time you’re in the bread aisle at the grocery store, you may want to think twice. Sensitive liberal educators are now recommending the “torta” or the “pita” as a more culturally inclusive alternative.

Now that you’ve been made aware of the evil of PB&J, there’s only one question left to answer: Is white bread more racist than whole wheat?

GOOD. It means more for me.

 Seaward wrote:
British English (as opposed to proper American English)

Until you guys learn what "I could care less" actually means, you don't get to say that.

When is the privileged upper crust going to openly face these glaring injustices?? Equality is spread far too unevenly across our society, and the current approach of loafing around pretending otherwise has long grown stale. The damages done by repast mistakes must be amealiorated; it is time that we made things fare for all.

 Palindrome wrote:

 kronk wrote:

Sounds like not enough jelly was used.

It was about 2/3rds peanut butter and 1/3rd jam (well grape jelly, which tasted nothing like grapes).

He should have used strawberry instead. Or better yet, cut up a banana and put the slices between the bread.

Either way, surely it's less of an abomination than baked beans on toast.

I don't really see what this has to do with racism. Sounds more like people overreacting, and trying to make a scandal out of nothing (as usual).

All she said is that people from other cultures might not be familiar with ( what we consider) everyday things like a sandwich. This is perfectly true.

So if you are teaching people from other cultures, it is a good idea to be mindful of this, instead of egocentrically yammering on about things they've never heard of.

Even between the US and UK: jelly would not necessarily be understood as the same thing. Here jelly is usually what Americans refer to as jello. Putting it in a sandwich sounds weird and gross. As I'm sure dipping chips in ketchup sounds weird to Americans.

 d-usa wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
This story is over a year old:

Created on Thursday, 06 September 2012 01:00

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/114604-schools-beat-the-drum-for-equity

Do we not have anything new to be upset about?

Clearly none of us had heard about it. Keep practicing your mini mod there D, you're working miracles.

I could have sworn that we had a thread here about it, but my search has left me empty.

The article I posted is relatively new. I didn't realize it was just restating something from a year ago.

Well, as always, people are conflating a pretty valid point about cultural inclusion with accusations of racism.

So, the effort to continually reduce the impact of the word racism continues. Good job!

 Palindrome wrote:
I don't see why americans insist on putting jam on peanut butter. I have had one (made by an american using american ingredients) and it basically tasted like a peanut butter sandwich. Why bother with the jam?

I get the impression that some people trawl the internet looking for stories simply to bait dakka with.

There is an artistry to easting a PB&J and few people realize. You need to either eat it in a certain way, or put almost twice as much jelly as you have peanut butter. If you're going with an equal amount of pb and j, then you need to eat the sandwich jelly side down so that the first thing to touch your tongue is the sweetness of the jelly before you get the overpowering feeling of that oh so delicious creamy peanut butter.

But hey, no account for taste


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 Riquende wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
British English (as opposed to proper American English)

Until you guys learn what "I could care less" actually means, you don't get to say that.

I couldn't care less what "I could care less" means

 Orlanth wrote:
Peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Yuk.

Is it now discriminatory to point out the weird stuff you eat over there, I hope not.

British commenting on food is like Nazis commenting on human rights violations.

Godwinned! My work here is done.

 Frazzled wrote:

British commenting on food is like Nazis commenting on human rights violations.

I bet you've never even eaten any spotted dick.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Yuk.

Is it now discriminatory to point out the weird stuff you eat over there, I hope not.

British commenting on food is like Nazis commenting on human rights violations.

Godwinned! My work here is done.

Because the US has such a brilliant reputation for food...

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Yuk.

Is it now discriminatory to point out the weird stuff you eat over there, I hope not.

British commenting on food is like Nazis commenting on human rights violations.

Godwinned! My work here is done.

Because the US has such a brilliant reputation for food...

Actually... We have quite a decent,and tasty contribution to food (3 links there).

Say what you will about America's penchant for eating gak food and eating lots of it, there are places where the food is absolutely divine.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Yuk.

Is it now discriminatory to point out the weird stuff you eat over there, I hope not.

British commenting on food is like Nazis commenting on human rights violations.

Godwinned! My work here is done.

Because the US has such a brilliant reputation for food...

I loved the food in America. Funnily enough the quality was way worse than here, but they make up for it in quantity. I bought a chicken sandwich in Brooklyn that was so big it took me 2 days to eat it

Yeah, we've perfected the pizza, blended Tex-mex, put BBQ on the map, and created dishes ranging from Caesar Salad to General Tso's chicken. Add in our contributions to craft beer, bourbon, and wine, and I'm pretty comfortable with our national cuisine.

 Alfndrate wrote:

Actually... We have quite a decent,and tasty contribution to food (3 links there).

Say what you will about America's penchant for eating gak food and eating lots of it, there are places where the food is absolutely divine.

I have no problem with US food, in fact I think US food is much underrated, especial "Junk" and "Fast" food, often dismissed as being worthless as it lacks the qualities that define what is considererd good fine food, and therefore unworthy. A burger, for example, can not be considered "good" no matter what goes in to it, or how good it is, through pure prejudice.

I was just throwing the comment back at Fraz as American food has a much worse image that British food.

 Polonius wrote:
Yeah, we've perfected the pizza, blended Tex-mex, put BBQ on the map, and created dishes ranging from Caesar Salad to General Tso's chicken. Add in our contributions to craft beer, bourbon, and wine, and I'm pretty comfortable with our national cuisine.

Our asados (bbq) beg to differ~



Edited for tasty image

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Yuk.

Is it now discriminatory to point out the weird stuff you eat over there, I hope not.

British commenting on food is like Nazis commenting on human rights violations.

Godwinned! My work here is done.

Because the US has such a brilliant reputation for food...

http://youtu.be/u0lVbMOMTi0?t=4m39s

 Seaward wrote:
That would be jelly (or jam, they're often interchangeable) in the US. The top one would be Jell-o, regardless of who the gelatin manufacturer actually is.

In most cases, jam and jelly are interchangeable. However, you can't jelly your ___ in your girlfriend's ____...

 Smacks wrote:
I don't really see what this has to do with racism.

Sounds like you need to check your privilege. She has a mandatory seminar you must attend to learn why you aren't checking your privilege.

 kronk wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
That would be jelly (or jam, they're often interchangeable) in the US. The top one would be Jell-o, regardless of who the gelatin manufacturer actually is.

In most cases, jam and jelly are interchangeable. However, you can't jelly your ___ in your girlfriend's ____...

You may, but I'd advice seeing a doctor afterwards xD

 kronk wrote:

 Seaward wrote:
That would be jelly (or jam, they're often interchangeable) in the US. The top one would be Jell-o, regardless of who the gelatin manufacturer actually is.

In most cases, jam and jelly are interchangeable. However, you can't jelly your ___ in your girlfriend's ____...

Well, true, but jelly (of the petroleum based kind) might be involved in the process. Although if it is you may be doing it wrong...

And that picture of barbecue is making me really sad I skipped breakfast today!

 Dark wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
Yeah, we've perfected the pizza, blended Tex-mex, put BBQ on the map, and created dishes ranging from Caesar Salad to General Tso's chicken. Add in our contributions to craft beer, bourbon, and wine, and I'm pretty comfortable with our national cuisine.

Our asados (bbq) beg to differ~



Edited for tasty image

1) How'd that world asado championship turn out for you guys this year
2) Everything in that picture looks good except for the intestines in the front.
3) To be fair, every country could get along if we all just decided to have a giant meal of grilled meats... So much world peace.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Dark wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
Yeah, we've perfected the pizza, blended Tex-mex, put BBQ on the map, and created dishes ranging from Caesar Salad to General Tso's chicken. Add in our contributions to craft beer, bourbon, and wine, and I'm pretty comfortable with our national cuisine.

Our asados (bbq) beg to differ~



Edited for tasty image

1) How'd that world asado championship turn out for you guys this year
2) Everything in that picture looks good except for the intestines in the front.
3) To be fair, every country could get along if we all just decided to have a giant meal of grilled meats... So much world peace.

There was world peace, until the vegan nation attacked~

Also, there's a world championship? I had no idea actually, and there's 3 preparations of intestines in that picture xD

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Peanut butter and jelly sandwich? Yuk.

Is it now discriminatory to point out the weird stuff you eat over there, I hope not.

British commenting on food is like Nazis commenting on human rights violations.

Godwinned! My work here is done.

Because the US has such a brilliant reputation for food...

We do actually. Chinese, German, French, Japanese, Indian, and Southern. Kicks the living gak out of eggs and beans. WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ABOMINATION????


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 Polonius wrote:
Yeah, we've perfected the pizza, blended Tex-mex, put BBQ on the map, and created dishes ranging from Caesar Salad to General Tso's chicken. Add in our contributions to craft beer, bourbon, and wine, and I'm pretty comfortable with our national cuisine.

And everclear and Southern Comfort baby!

Landed at my first connection, so I can finally comment. Man, the stupidity of some people is ridiculous. I'm not sure what the world is coming to when PB&J is considered racist. Next you'll tell me we can't decorate our school doors for Christm....oh, wait. One of my friends' moms put her foot down on that for religious reasons years ago. Carry on being offended, world. Sensitivity and stupidity will never end.

 Ahtman wrote:

 Smacks wrote:
I don't really see what this has to do with racism.

Sounds like you need to check your privilege. She has a mandatory seminar you must attend to learn why you aren't checking your privilege.

Yeah I thought the whole "white privilege" thing was a strange term. Considering yourself "privileged" for having sandwiches instead of burritos "or whatever poor underprivileged 3rd world foreigners eat" (I'm paraphrasing here) does indeed sound kind of bigoted. But that kind of implies that maybe she is the racist, and not the sandwiches.

But I wasn't really clear on whether that was the real name for the course, or something that had been made up by the blogger to sensationalize the story. I did search a little for a better source, but all I found was this picture of her:

Not a joke...

*shrug* When I see/hear a Brit criticizing American food, I'm able to just sit back and chuckle. You never want to acknowledge an obviously faulty position.

Of course American food is great. Haven't you seen how fat we are?

I’m more surprised that they are even allowed to talk about peanut butter at school. At schools in my area its consider a deadly disease that kills every child that comes within a 100 yards of it.

If you are going to immigrate to a country you can't expect everyone to start changing their lives to accommodate you.

It is not our responsibility to think of a "global" food to substitute anytime an example is needed.... it is YOUR responsibility to learn about the country you plan on living in.

 gossipmeng wrote:
If you are going to immigrate to a country you can't expect everyone to start changing their lives to accommodate you.

It is not our responsibility to think of a "global" food to substitute anytime an example is needed.... it is YOUR responsibility to learn about the country you plan on living in.

Perhaps not learn, but atl east adapt.

Cervantes in Don Quixote put a phrase in the main character's lips "donde fueres, haz lo que vieres" which can translate as "when you go somewhere strange, do as you see the locals do". It was written in 1605...

 Dark wrote:

 gossipmeng wrote:
If you are going to immigrate to a country you can't expect everyone to start changing their lives to accommodate you.

It is not our responsibility to think of a "global" food to substitute anytime an example is needed.... it is YOUR responsibility to learn about the country you plan on living in.

Perhaps not learn, but atl east adapt.

Cervantes in Don Quixote put a phrase in the main character's lips "donde fueres, haz lo que vieres" which can translate as "when you go somewhere strange, do as you see the locals do". It was written in 1605...

That is all fine and dandy if you are going somewhere, but if you are living there you better buckle up buttercup and accept that you need to make an effort.

 Smacks wrote:


So if you are teaching people from other cultures, it is a good idea to be mindful of this, instead of egocentrically yammering on about things they've never heard of.

Why? You come to our contry, you learn our customs and dont say "I dont like the way you do this, CHANGE IT IT SCARES ME" the fact that my school offers the graduation exam in spanish is just stupid IMO

 Seaward wrote:
That would be jelly (or jam, they're often interchangeable) in the US. The top one would be Jell-o, regardless of who the gelatin manufacturer actually is.

Yep, the most "proper" American term for Jam would, depending on flavor be preserves... however, that doesn't sound overly appealing sitting on a shelf (but then, neither does Marmalade to me, but it seems to move), so they changed it to jam.

The large difference between a jelly and a jam in the US... seed content, yep, I must be a fat guy to know the difference


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Smacks wrote:


So if you are teaching people from other cultures, it is a good idea to be mindful of this, instead of egocentrically yammering on about things they've never heard of.

Why? You come to our contry, you learn our customs and dont say "I dont like the way you do this, CHANGE IT IT SCARES ME" the fact that my school offers the graduation exam in spanish is just stupid IMO

I completely agree with you in principle. However, as there is no document to my knowledge that has declared English to be our official language, and because we so severely cater to "special" people, we are required to offer tests in many languages other than English. Personally, it does nothing to help that student to be set up for success when they leave school as their common language skills will likely not be up to par for the American business world. Thus, they'll probably be stuck working the fry line at McDs or rolling burritos at Taco Bell or some other such mundane, and menial type job.

 Frazzled wrote:

We do actually. Chinese, German, French, Japanese, Indian, and Southern. Kicks the living gak out of eggs and beans. WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ABOMINATION????

No, you really don't. Just google "US food" or "American Food". The view of US food is that it is grease filled over sugared highly processed crap sold in vats.

This is not a correct view, but it is the reputation the US has in the rest of the world.

 gorgon wrote:
*shrug* When I see/hear a Brit criticizing American food, I'm able to just sit back and chuckle. You never want to acknowledge an obviously faulty position.

Point missed entirely, and I suspect you probably don't understand British food if I am understanding what you are saying (That British have poor food and cannot critisise the US?)

 gossipmeng wrote:

 Dark wrote:

 gossipmeng wrote:
If you are going to immigrate to a country you can't expect everyone to start changing their lives to accommodate you.

It is not our responsibility to think of a "global" food to substitute anytime an example is needed.... it is YOUR responsibility to learn about the country you plan on living in.

Perhaps not learn, but atl east adapt.

Cervantes in Don Quixote put a phrase in the main character's lips "donde fueres, haz lo que vieres" which can translate as "when you go somewhere strange, do as you see the locals do". It was written in 1605...

That is all fine and dandy if you are going somewhere, but if you are living there you better buckle up buttercup and accept that you need to make an effort.

That's why I said "adapt". I was taken to Brazil for 2 years because my father had to move (job and stuff) and since Iw as underage I had no choice on it. I had no clue on how to speak Portuguese and such, but that's the lovely thing: whereas it can take months or years to learn a language in a classroom, living there had me speaking the basics in a week and a bit more and soon I was speaking it like anyone else.

And since "donde fueres, haz lo que vieres", I tarted eating like them, dressing like them and soon enough no one asked me if I was a foreigner.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Yep, the most "proper" American term for Jam would, depending on flavor be preserves... however, that doesn't sound overly appealing sitting on a shelf (but then, neither does Marmalade to me, but it seems to move), so they changed it to jam.

A preserve is different to a Jam from a culinary point of view. Jam has more sugar and added pectin. Preserves have much higher fruit content, and tent to be less solid. Jelly, however, has no fruit left in it at all as it is strained. US Jelly is closer to UK jelly in consistency, but the flavor is different partly because US jelly is made with pectin and UK Jelly/Jello is made with gelatin, and many other reasons to do with change in taste, but they would have at one point been the same thing.


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 gossipmeng wrote:
If you are going to immigrate to a country you can't expect everyone to start changing their lives to accommodate you.

It is not our responsibility to think of a "global" food to substitute anytime an example is needed.... it is YOUR responsibility to learn about the country you plan on living in.

Um... Your starting from a dangerous and faulty view point there. The Spanish where there first in much of the southern US... For many areas the dominant outside view of the US is not true. Treating any country as a single entity is a bad idea, especially so in the US. Especially treating Hispanics as "outsiders" is a faulty viewpoint. Yes, sometimes immigrants do need to make an attempt to work with the culture of the county they enter, but be sure about who you are talking about being immigrants.

 Steve steveson wrote:


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 gossipmeng wrote:
If you are going to immigrate to a country you can't expect everyone to start changing their lives to accommodate you.

It is not our responsibility to think of a "global" food to substitute anytime an example is needed.... it is YOUR responsibility to learn about the country you plan on living in.

Um... Your starting from a dangerous and faulty view point there. The Spanish where there first in much of the southern US... For many areas the dominant outside view of the US is not true. Treating any country as a single entity is a bad idea, especially so in the US. Especially treating Hispanics as "outsiders" is a faulty viewpoint. Yes, sometimes immigrants do need to make an attempt to work with the culture of the county they enter, but be sure about who you are talking about being immigrants.

Hispanics play a large role is American culture - they are not my concern. It is different if your destination country already has a large pre-established community where your customs/values will be accepted and shared.

I'm speaking to the one offs - the immigrants who come from wherever and plop themselves right in the middle of of a well established community that is much different than their own. These communities should not have to cater to the values of the minorities. They made their choice to come here, it is now their responsibility to suck it up and make the necessary changes required for them to be successful. If life gets too tough for them, they are welcome to leave and let someone take their place who is willing to accept the lifestyle.

The thing with American food is that they take a culture's food and suit it to local tastes. Whether that's a good thing or not remains to be debated.

So if this teacher is in a school with students from all sorts of different nationalities does (s)he have to know an equivalent for bread in each of them?

Oh and to weight into the US v UK food debate, the US wins. No contest. Sorry.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
So if this teacher is in a school with students from all sorts of different nationalities does (s)he have to know an equivalent for bread in each of them?

Oh and to weight into the US v UK food debate, the US wins. No contest. Sorry.

We have immigrant confirmation, we win!

Does England have a food chain that has invaded America in the way that ours have invaded your country?

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
So if this teacher is in a school with students from all sorts of different nationalities does (s)he have to know an equivalent for bread in each of them?

Oh and to weight into the US v UK food debate, the US wins. No contest. Sorry.

We have immigrant confirmation, we win!

Does England have a food chain that has invaded America in the way that ours have invaded your country?

1) Fast food chains are not helping the US side

2) McD's is not a fast food chain. Its a virus.

3) Pret a Manger is working on it. Currently 50 locations in the US and growing apparently. You give us the greasy hamburger with fries. We give you the middle class sandwich with rocket and parmigiano. Your welcome

Also, no US food can ever compare to a proper British roast. Also, grits. The US gets some major points knocked off for grits.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
So if this teacher is in a school with students from all sorts of different nationalities does (s)he have to know an equivalent for bread in each of them?

Oh and to weight into the US v UK food debate, the US wins. No contest. Sorry.

We have immigrant confirmation, we win!

Does England have a food chain that has invaded America in the way that ours have invaded your country?

1) Fast food chains are not helping the US side

2) McD's is not a fast food chain. Its a virus.

3) Pret a Manger is working on it. Currently 50 locations in the US and growing apparently. You give us the greasy hamburger with fries. We give you the middle class sandwich with rocket and parmigiano. Your welcome

Also, no US food can ever compare to a proper British roast. Also, grits. The US gets some major points knocked off for grits.

yes fast food sucks, yet you buy it over your local fair. How much does your local food suck even more?

But surely the flipside also works for America, considering the success and multitude of fast-food hamburger joints?

 Steve steveson wrote:

“white privilege,”

Ah. The new race card. The equivalent of "I'm not racist but", but even worse because of the hypocritical nature of the racism involved in the accusation. As soon as anyone says that or Male Privilege they instantly negate the rest of the argument no matter how valid.

exactly,

and it is racist is to act like non-white kids cannot comprehend what a PB and J sandwich is...

do they get all worried that white kids wont understand the complexities of the burrito too?

besides the racist and hypocritical nature of saying a so called "white" thing is not allowed, while they HAVE to include so called "non white" things...

telling Caucasians they cannot act like Caucasians, is just as racist as telling any other ethnicity to suppress themselves for "whiteys" sake.

not to mention how racist/sexist the idea of male/white privilege in this day and age, as it literally assuming all white people are racist, work in this racist club, that only promotes from within, actively works to keep out women/other ethnicities, and that males/whites only got where they are because they are racist and get special treatment.

Correct me if I read this wrong, but does she honestly want to suppress use of the ubiquitous word "sandwich" and force teachers to use words like "tarta"?

About US food - it can't compare to a full British roast. It doesn't have the required... sophistication.

 -Shrike- wrote:
Correct me if I read this wrong, but does she honestly want to suppress use of the ubiquitous word "sandwich" and force teachers to use words like "tarta"?

No, although that's what the article wants you to think.

 -Shrike- wrote:
Correct me if I read this wrong, but does she honestly want to suppress use of the ubiquitous word "sandwich" and force teachers to use words like "tarta"?

I've said "torta" in Spanish means cake, and you've made a happy typo, "tarta" which means pie. They should have both things xD sandwichs as meals and then either torta or tarta as dessert~

Clearly they're the ones that are racist for not eating sandwiches.

If PB&J sammiches are wrong, I don't want to be right.

Manchu wrote:
If PB&J sammiches are wrong, I don't want to be right.

Feeling wrong never felt so right

 Alfndrate wrote:

Manchu wrote:
If PB&J sammiches are wrong, I don't want to be right.

Feeling wrong never felt so right

I disagree.

Ugh, Rebel scum.

Manchu wrote:
If PB&J sammiches are wrong, I don't want to be right.

Exactly...

Isn't it as American as Apple Pie?

Manchu wrote:
Ugh, Rebel scum.

The picture, or those objecting to PB&J sandwiches?

I'm eating a PB&J now. The oppression of the unwashed masses makes the flavor that much better.

I prefer my peanut butter produced via child labor and my jelly made from fruit harvested by prison chain gangs.

Here's my issue with that statement. What made the USA great in past years was our ability to look past what country/culture you originally came from and assimilate/absorb you into our culture.

'White Privilege' is just another slant of the age old racism card that we as a culture and society need to sit down and have a serious discussion over. Maybe then we can end all of these bullgak issues from happening.

 kronk wrote:
I prefer my peanut butter produced via child labor and my jelly made from fruit harvested by prison chain gangs.

Yeah, but that doesn't make your conflict sammiches racist

The tears of the downtrodden are enough.

 kronk wrote:
I prefer my peanut butter produced via child labor and my jelly made from fruit harvested by prison chain gangs.

Don't forget to wash it down with a glass of their tears

Boom!

No one is going to point out the irony that if the teacher used "torta" or "Pita" the other 90% of the class would probably have no idea what the teacher is talking about?

Here's a crazy idea, if there's a kid in the classroom who's never seen a sandwhich before, I dunno, maybe EXPLAIN WHAT A SANDWHICH IS? It's not that hard people, and you might even learn something about the other person's culture if he says something like "Oh, that's kind of like x that we eat in my country!"

Also, Brits haven't had real food if they haven't had home cooked meals in the US South. You people haven't lived until you've had some home fried chicken, catfish, mash potatoes, cornbread, etc.

You know how McDonald's is a pale comparison to a real burger? KFC is a pale comparison to home made chicken. And KFC is actually pretty good. And no I am not biased since I'm from Kentucky. I'm actually a Kentucky Colonel so I'm qualified to speak about the finer points of Southern Fried Chicken

sqir666 wrote:
Here's my issue with that statement. What made the USA great in past years was our ability to look past what country/culture you originally came from and assimilate/absorb you into our culture.

'White Privilege' is just another slant of the age old racism card that we as a culture and society need to sit down and have a serious discussion over. Maybe then we can end all of these bullgak issues from happening.

One could say that's the viewpoint of a "white person."

The "melting pot" doesn't really exist in the way they teach in elementary school. But to the extent that it does, it's not about people coming here and learning "our" (white?) ways. It's about the immigrants being influenced by the existing culture(s) even as the existing culture(s) are influenced by the immigrants.

 AduroT wrote:
I don't mind a PB and J, but I do usually skip the J and just do the PB. Honey Roasted PB...

I prefer to skip the P.

And that is how you ruin peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for everyone.

By the way, isn't this article a tad old? It's been a year dudes. The time to fling gak over nothing has passed.

Man, wading into OT from time to time, I feel like the liberalest liberal who ever liberaled... and even I think...

 Seaward wrote:
"Well, at least I'm not that fething stupid."

I mean, seriously. Sensitivity to difference in cultural culinary experiences is one thing. Adapting ones speech to reflect that not everyone might have tasted every type of food is something else.

Oh no, what if a student hasn't had a PB&J sandwich! Maybe... they'll ask what one is and be enlightened?

Or the teacher can just hand them out, and embrace the ever-loving reaming they get when they find at least one previously unknown peanut allergy.

Wait...

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Also, Brits haven't had real food if they haven't had home cooked meals in the US South. You people haven't lived until you've had some home fried chicken, catfish, mash potatoes, cornbread, etc.

My wife went through a phase of cooking US southern food using apparently authentic recipes and the ingredients are easy enough to get hold of here. While I haven't had catfish as its not found in the UK I have had the rest and more besides. Its ok, nothing special though and surely mashed potatoes are ubiquitous.

Is there really that much difference between US and UK foods? There are regional variations but globalisation has ensured that the staples on both sides of the Atlantic, and indeed in most western countries. are extremely similar.

 Palindrome wrote:

Is there really that much difference between US and UK foods? There are regional variations but globalisation has ensured that the staples on both sides of the Atlantic, and indeed in most western countries. are extremely similar.

Not all foods from your side of the pond are even available here in the US... At least, not in a traditional manner, or necessarily known about. For instance, while I was stationed in Germany, I met a restaurant owner who made some fantastic Haggis. Upon returning from there, I was informed it was impossible to get many of the "meat" ingredients due to the USDA and FDA or someone saying that I cant eat those parts of the sheep.

 whembly wrote:

Manchu wrote:
If PB&J sammiches are wrong, I don't want to be right.

Exactly...

Isn't it as American as Apple Pie?

Sugar pie is where the gak's at it has maple syrup in it (which makes everything better).

 Palindrome wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Also, Brits haven't had real food if they haven't had home cooked meals in the US South. You people haven't lived until you've had some home fried chicken, catfish, mash potatoes, cornbread, etc.

My wife went through a phase of cooking US southern food using apparently authentic recipes and the ingredients are easy enough to get hold of here. While I haven't had catfish as its not found in the UK I have had the rest and more besides. Its ok, nothing special though and surely mashed potatoes are ubiquitous.

Is there really that much difference between US and UK foods? There are regional variations but globalisation has ensured that the staples on both sides of the Atlantic, and indeed in most western countries. are extremely similar.

Mmm...no. Real southern cooking is never in a book. Grandma's don't write down recipes.

dude, California Fried Fish Is the best. If you want great fried food go t CALI, not the south

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
dude, California Fried Fish Is the best. If you want great fried food go t CALI, not the south

O.o

There is something inherently wrong with this statement. As we all know that fried foods are terrible for you, and California and New Bloomberg City are havens of healthy eating, and as such they don't have true fried foods in those places...

Also, Frazz is correct. Grandmas will only write down a recipe under the threat of imminent death to them or their grandkids. Or upon marrying off their son so that the wife can make their husband's favorite dish and he can say, "it's close, but ma's recipe is better."

No one in California can cook. Its like you have no concept of something called spices. Sorry, but your food (at least in LA) was just plain boring.

Having said that I had the best biscuits and gravy of my life in Cali, and excellent hole in the wall Mexican food.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Not all foods from your side of the pond are even available here in the US... At least, not in a traditional manner, or necessarily known about. For instance, while I was stationed in Germany, I met a restaurant owner who made some fantastic Haggis. Upon returning from there, I was informed it was impossible to get many of the "meat" ingredients due to the USDA and FDA or someone saying that I cant eat those parts of the sheep.

Sheep lung isn't classed as a foodstuff apparently, I have no idea why.

There are of course local foods but how often are they actually eaten by the average person and how often do they appear on the menus of restaurants? In this country at least a typical menu in the north of Scotland will be very similar to a menu from the same type of establishment in Cornwall except that there will be a couple of fairly minor local touches. I have noticed that the same is also true throughout western Europe to an extent, names may be changed and there will obviously be variations but the food is essentially the same.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
dude, California Fried Fish Is the best. If you want great fried food go t CALI, not the south

I kind of want to punch you in the dick...

McDonald's is pretty awesome...

 Steve steveson wrote:

“white privilege,”

Ah. The new race card. The equivalent of "I'm not racist but", but even worse because of the hypocritical nature of the racism involved in the accusation. As soon as anyone says that or Male Privilege they instantly negate the rest of the argument no matter how valid.

Why is it racist to point out that white people don't experience racism as harshly as other races in general (at least in Canada and the US)?

 Steve steveson wrote:
It's used for allot of things

Behold - a wild Allot, cousin to the much more common Alot.

With apologies to Steve - I don't usually jump on typos but I will use any excuse to post that comic.

"Southern food" seems like a pretty wide umbrella. My understanding is that Southerners just in different parts of NC -- let alone the entire South -- have very different ideas about BBQ, such as vinegar based vs. tomato based. Personally, I like some things thought of as traditionally Southern food, and not others. It's not all amazing to me. Like any other cuisine, really.

Frazzled makes an important point about the skill and knowledge of the person making it. The things my Pennsylvania Dutch (German) grandmother made -- especially the pies -- were just crazy good and not something just anyone could duplicate even if there was a recipe written down. In most cases, there wasn't, and it was only after some interrogation while she was still alive, and a lot of trial and error later that my Mom and brother were able to duplicate her potato filling with about 90% accuracy.

@Cheesecat -- Personally, I think shoofly pie gives that sugar pie a flying elbow drop. But I also recognize that shoofly isn't for everyone. *shrug*

Indeed. My wife had to physically follow her mom around while making some things to get a decent idea of the real recipe.

I was there for the potato filling discussion and it was pretty painful, LOL. She made the stuff without having to think about it and didn't have a concept of how much of anything beyond "the right amount."

Similar to your example, the only way to really figure out my other grandmother's recipe for golabki (stuffed cabbage) is to follow her around as she makes it.

Oh, PA Dutch... the only good thing about that state with the exception of a good philly steak sandwich... I was in the Lehigh Valley a few years ago, and my buddy's mom made us "gak on a Shingle" from her mother's recipe... I've had chipped beef before, and never liked it... I would have eaten them out of house and home based on that meal.

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:

“white privilege,”

Ah. The new race card. The equivalent of "I'm not racist but", but even worse because of the hypocritical nature of the racism involved in the accusation. As soon as anyone says that or Male Privilege they instantly negate the rest of the argument no matter how valid.

Why is it racist to point out that white people don't experience racism as harshly as other races in general (at least in Canada and the US)?

That's not what it means. White privilege is the assumption that because you are white you are automatically have certain advantages and that you are privileged. This is no more true or fair than assuming that because you are black you are going to be a criminal or because you are from the Middle East you are going to be a terrorist.

There is privilege related to money and status, and yes, the majority of the rich I the US are white. However the concept of white privilege puts that burden on all white people, rich and poor alike and implies that rich minorities do not have the same access. In fact I would argue it is a very damaging concept that places responsibility on someone else. Look, for example, at elite universities in the UK. People complain of institutional racism. This puts minority's of applying. However when you look in to the statistics it dose not in fact exist. On the one hand fewer students apply, and secondly those that do the apply overwhelmingly for the most competitive courses, meaning it looks like they are more likely to be rejected on the surface, bringing accusations of racism and "white privilege" therefore putting students off.

Also, sound bites and phrases like "white privilege" are easy to fling around, but say nothing, and are designed to shut down all argument or disagreement by being vague yet emotionally charged.

This is not to say there is no racism, or that we should not tackle it, but that it is a phrase used by those who at best have nothing to say.

 Alfndrate wrote:


Also, Frazz is correct. Grandmas will only write down a recipe under the threat of imminent death to them or their grandkids. Or upon marrying off their son so that the wife can make their husband's favorite dish and he can say, "it's close, but ma's recipe is better."

Or, if they do write it down, it'll include helpful measurement systems as "a pinch" or "a dash" and "some" or "handful"

True dat

You guys havnt been to rural or suburban California, Where we care less about healthy eating. The Fried food is AMAZING. I would pay out the butt for fried fish from a vendor on the side of the road near fishermens wharf

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
You guys havnt been to rural or suburban California, Where we care less about healthy eating. The Fried food is AMAZING. I would pay out the butt for fried fish from a vendor on the side of the road near fishermens wharf

Why would I want to go to rural California, when everywhere else has good fried food even in their cities?

Currently I'm craving this:

 Steve steveson wrote:
That's not what it means. White privilege is the assumption that because you are white you are automatically have certain advantages and that you are privileged. This is no more true or fair than assuming that because you are black you are going to be a criminal or because you are from the Middle East you are going to be a terrorist.

Actually it has to do with a cultural outlook in which whiteness is the norm with everything else being a deviation, and unrecognized ease of movement. It isn't overt expressions of privilege, or it would be easy to deal with, and it isn't a lie either. Of course one of the things white people do is pretend it isn't true, but they have that privilege.

 Palindrome wrote:
I don't see why americans insist on putting jam on peanut butter. I have had one (made by an american using american ingredients) and it basically tasted like a peanut butter sandwich. Why bother with the jam?

I get the impression that some people trawl the internet looking for stories simply to bait dakka with.

You obviously didn't put enough jelly or jam on it.

Too many people put too much peanut butter on the sandwitch, when really it should account for no more than 1/3 of the contents.

 Steve steveson wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:

 Steve steveson wrote:

“white privilege,”

Ah. The new race card. The equivalent of "I'm not racist but", but even worse because of the hypocritical nature of the racism involved in the accusation. As soon as anyone says that or Male Privilege they instantly negate the rest of the argument no matter how valid.

Why is it racist to point out that white people don't experience racism as harshly as other races in general (at least in Canada and the US)?

That's not what it means. White privilege is the assumption that because you are white you are automatically have certain advantages and that you are privileged. This is no more true or fair than assuming that because you are black you are going to be a criminal or because you are from the Middle East you are going to be a terrorist.

There is privilege related to money and status, and yes, the majority of the rich I the US are white. However the concept of white privilege puts that burden on all white people, rich and poor alike and implies that rich minorities do not have the same access. In fact I would argue it is a very damaging concept that places responsibility on someone else. Look, for example, at elite universities in the UK. People complain of institutional racism. This puts minority's of applying. However when you look in to the statistics it dose not in fact exist. On the one hand fewer students apply, and secondly those that do the apply overwhelmingly for the most competitive courses, meaning it looks like they are more likely to be rejected on the surface, bringing accusations of racism and "white privilege" therefore putting students off.

Also, sound bites and phrases like "white privilege" are easy to fling around, but say nothing, and are designed to shut down all argument or disagreement by being vague yet emotionally charged.

This is not to say there is no racism, or that we should not tackle it, but that it is a phrase used by those who at best have nothing to say.

No it is partially what it means as one of the advantages of being white is that (at least in Canada and US) we don't experience racism on as severe level as other races and we also have considerably more control than any other race in pretty much every industry and in government that's

a privilege that white people get no other race can claim that (at least in Canada and US). Being unsuccessful or successful as white person is rarely effected by our race (although we are effected by other factors such as gender and class) which can't necessarily be said for the average

Native person (although class is actually the biggest factor in effecting one's success), that is an example of white privilege. The fact that things from a white person's perspective are considered the normal point of view and that we have the power to ignore how other races may feel

about this is a white privilege. The ability for white people to ignore racism effecting other races because they themselves are unable care for it or aren't aware that it exists is a white privilege. The fact that some races and ethnicities have to do deal with racism on a personal level every

single day and on average most white people don't, is a white privilege.

I suggest you read this:
http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/mcintosh.html

ugh... white privilege is such a dirty world.

 whembly wrote:
ugh... white privilege is such a dirty world.

Well, it still exists whether you like it or not.

cheese cat... you only say that because you are white, living in a white household, in a white neighborhood, in a white country.

go live, as the only white guy on a reserve, or in a south African community, or somewhere you are the minority... and tell me how privileged you feel there. I have literally had to run, fearing for my life, from native gangs when I was on the reserve. I can still hear the leaders voice in my head "hey white boy, whacoo doing on our land?"


in countries where the dominant ethnicity is not Caucasian, they have "their dominant ethnic group" privilege just as much as any other country.

maybe you should get past the "just out of highschool pot smoking genius of all" stage, and live abroad under conditions of being the only white guy around for a while...

I have had far more racism directly directed towards me because I am "white" abroad living in "non white" countries, or simply being in canada/US in a bar or setting where I am the minority.


the worst story I have seen/heard against a "non white" person, was my friend being told she can play bass well "cause shes black" (I smacked that guy pretty well, much to my friends delight)
and this includes every single story from every single one of my non white friends... that was the worst. Nothing came close to "people chasing me down wanting to beat me up cause I'm white"

my girlfriend is chinese, and tells me how she loves how every one is equal here, not like in china where apparently you can be the "wrong kind" of Chinese even... god forbid you if you are not even Chinese. not to mention the amount racism directed towards westerners. She warns me to not wander off without her when we visit its so bad.

its not a coincidence that the first word I learnt when traveling the orient was "Gwai Lo" white devil, the equivalent of the N word, and yes derogatory racist terms for white people count as derogatory racist terms.

but right, racism only counts when its Caucasians doing it.

if I go to china, and whine and complain how hard it is to get ahead because all the chinese have the good jobs and influence,

Im racist against the chinese in your books...

if a chinese person comes here and complains how hard it is to get ahead because all the canadians have the good jobs and influence,

Its still my fault in your books...


a visible minority in canada/europe/states gets better treatment then minorities in other countries... its just so happens that here the majority is caucasian, and other countries caucasian is the minority.


so stop trying to spread this first world guilt about how there is this secret club of white guys giving out special white guy privilege... you are in effect, calling every Caucasian a racist.

racism exists, its an issue, but it most certainly is NOT predominately the fault of ANY one race... to assert it is, is in fact racist and uneducated.

Sigh, that's why I have been putting Canada and US in brackets in several of my posts as they're the examples I'm most familiar with obviously racism is different from country to country.


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I was commenting on racism form Canadian/US perspective as white privilege may not be something that exists in say Japan or something, but it certainly exists here.

Fried food is the ultimate in cuisine. Now let's take a moment to consider the genius that is the deep fried mars bar.

its not "white" privilege, then is it.

its THE MAJORITY privilege,
not something race based, but something based on strict #'s where by the thing that is done by the MOST people in a given area is considered "normal"

to call it out as "white" privilege is whats racist, as it 100% does imply its a "white" problem/issue and not something that happens everywhere there is a distinct majority.

so use the proper term, the proper term is "majority privilege",

and yes, it is more of a problem in other countries, then it is in canada/states/uk/europe... so stop acting like the west is the worst for it, because its not.

It is also true that the "privilege" white people get in a predominantly Caucasian country is less than the reverse, the "privilege" other races have when they are the majority in a particular country/region.

If your Chinese girlfriend feels everything is so equal how come First Nations people are segregated, given poor land during their treaty agreements, are given substandard education and often the natural resources they do possess on their property mostly goes to the government?

 Cheesecat wrote:
Why is it racist to point out that white people don't experience racism as harshly as other races in general (at least in Canada and the US)?

It isn't.

 easysauce wrote:
you are in effect, calling every Caucasian a racist

No, he's not.

White Privilege is not a conscious conspiracy; it's a condition of life in the United States (and maybe elsewhere) under which a person is likely to enjoy advantages because they are white AND, importantly, also less likely to recognize those advantages as matter of race because the condition itself is considered normative by them and sometimes also non-whites.

 easysauce wrote:

its not "white" privilege, then is it.

its THE MAJORITY privilege,
not something race based, but something based on strict #'s where by the thing that is done by the MOST people in a given area is considered "normal"

to call it out as "white" privilege is whats racist, as it 100% does imply its a "white" problem/issue and not something that happens everywhere there is a distinct majority.

so use the proper term, the proper term is "majority privilege",

and yes, it is more of a problem in other countries, then it is in canada/states/uk/europe... so stop acting like the west is the worst for it, because its not.

I've never said the west was the worst with racism now you're just making things up, but if I'm going to talk about racism it's going to be from a Canadian/US perspective as that's what I'm most familiar with plus it's way too exhausting talking about the different types of racism from all

189-196 countries. The reason "white" is used in "white privilege" is because it's a term that applies to Canada and the US (and I assume many European countries as well as Australia and New Zealand) as that's who is the privileged race is in those countries so India, Japan, Nigeria,

etc would probably have have a different term for the privileged races(s) in their society.

she feels that giving natives, free land, free money, and the same education + much more scholarships and cheaper post secondary is actually an advantage.... especially seeing as how its been 200 years since their race was basically wiped out.

no argument that they got a raw deal when 99% of their population was wiped out during colonialism, and all their land was conquered.

but thats how it goes, you lose the war, you LOSE THE WAR...
not fair, not nice, not relevant, its WAR, and everyones dead who did all that.


but right now, yes they have it BETTER then other canadians, because of free money, free land, more education grants/opportunities.. and they are not forced to live on the reserve anymore, so dont play that card, they have every opportunity that anyone else has.

they also get preferential treatment when applying for government, police, and basically any other jobs.

in fact, there are jobs, that ONLY natives are allowed to apply for.. I know, I wanted one of them to pay my way through school (OFC i couldnt get it, cause no whitey's allowed is ok for some reason)

when you get thousands of dollars a month, in addition to your income, guaranteed housing, and (basically) free education, and preferential treatment for job selection, and STILL cant get it together, it might be time to stop blaming "whitey"

I know plenty of well adjusted natives and all of them say no one is stopping them from integrating except themselves...

they chastise the "get off out land and go back to where you came" attitude that is all to common with natives, and is just as out of place in this day an age as telling that to a person of colour.

all these hand outs are doing as much, if not more, harm then good.


do the celts get free money/cheaper education in england?

do the gauls get that in france?

do the moors have to keep paying the spanish reparations for invading southern spain all that time ago?

Yeah, I agree that the laws involving natives are incredibly out of date and have done much more harm than good, but on the other hand I don't really know how to make things better with them I guess some possible things are to put more resources and incentives into their schools and

more ownership of their resources (it is their land after all).

Manchu wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
Why is it racist to point out that white people don't experience racism as harshly as other races in general (at least in Canada and the US)?

It isn't.

 easysauce wrote:
you are in effect, calling every Caucasian a racist

No, he's not.

White Privilege is not a conscious conspiracy; it's a condition of life in the United States (and maybe elsewhere) under which a person is likely to enjoy advantages because they are white AND, importantly, also less likely to recognize those advantages as matter of race because the condition itself is considered normative by them and sometimes also non-whites.

yes, he is,
tell me,

what advantages do white people enjoy?

if someone treats me better because I am white, is that not racist?

you two are saying that

"all white people have white privilege, because white people treat other white preferentially, even if its subconsciously. "

so ok, he might be technically calling all white people "sub conscious" racists, but the point still stands. (and OBS I dont think he actually thinks that every white person is racist, im just trying to get him to see that so called "reverse" racism is actually a much bigger problem then he thinks, as per his earlier comment)

 Cheesecat wrote:
My ability to feel sorry for white people who feel they're being persecuted due to their race is close to zero, this article is a non-issue to me.

which, had it referred to anyone but white people, would be considered "racist", and it IS racist, except that what we have now is a society of "reverse racist privilege" where its OK and acceptable to harbor racist attitudes towards white people, because they are, after all, umm white and stuff.

you cannot claim on one hand, that all white people get white privilege, which is preferential treatment of whites,
which is discriminatory against all non whites,

and then claim you are not implying that all those privileged people involved are racist... or sub consciously racist.

that is the very definition of racism, treating another group better/worse specifically because of race.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Why? You come to our contry, you learn our customs and dont say "I dont like the way you do this, CHANGE IT IT SCARES ME" the fact that my school offers the graduation exam in spanish is just stupid IMO

I'm pretty sure learning is why people go to school. There is no need to cloud the issue with your own political agenda. Teachers have a job to do. If this method allows them to do their job more effectively then why not? Why would you want to be less effective?

How well immigrants integrate is a separate issue. Though I doubt giving them a less effective education than you need to, on purpose, would help with that. People with more knowledge and better prospects generally integrate better.

Also the article even gives an example "In America we eat sandwiches, do you have something like that?". That sounds to me like people learning about our(your) culture. Which is what you wanted right? Where is the issue here?

 easysauce wrote:
if someone treats me better because I am white, is that not racist?

Sure but I thought you were referring to "racist" in the sense of an insult since you are acting so offended. White privilege is not necessarily conscious and in that sense it's not what we usually call "racist" in the insulting sense. Participating in/benefiting from white privilege does not mean white people consciously or even subconsciously hold the view that white people are superior or that non-whites should be treated poorly. Again, white privilege is primarily a condition rather than some kind of ideology -- although it does describe what is normative for many white people in terms of world view.

 easysauce wrote:
you cannot claim that all white people get white privilege

White privilege is not a guarantee that every particular white person will always have a better result; just that being white itself makes a better result more likely as against not being white.

And, as I mentioned, real ignorance of a privilege (as opposed to contrived) is itself the highest embodiment of privilege.

This thread requires less posts containing semantically based logical fallacies on social constructs, and more on good British cuisine.

Manchu wrote:
And, as I mentioned, real ignorance of a privilege (as opposed to contrived) is itself the highest embodiment of privilege.

LOL.

 d-usa wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
This story is over a year old:

Created on Thursday, 06 September 2012 01:00

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/114604-schools-beat-the-drum-for-equity


Do we not have anything new to be upset about?

Clearly none of us had heard about it. Keep practicing your mini mod there D, you're working miracles.

I could have sworn that we had a thread here about it, but my search has left me empty.

Doesn't change the whole "why is a random blogger pissed today and talking about stupid gak that happened 14 months ago" question though. Must be a slow "sucks to be white" news day for them.

Honestly I want to know what this " white privilege " thing I keep hearing about is. I'm a white man..... but I certainly don't feel like I have privilege over other races. Am I being shafted here?

Because I'm totally sure that a lot more students can relate to a torta or pita rather than a PB&J, I mean who eats those things anyway?

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
This story is over a year old:

Created on Thursday, 06 September 2012 01:00

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/114604-schools-beat-the-drum-for-equity


Do we not have anything new to be upset about?

Clearly none of us had heard about it. Keep practicing your mini mod there D, you're working miracles.

I could have sworn that we had a thread here about it, but my search has left me empty.

Doesn't change the whole "why is a random blogger pissed today and talking about stupid gak that happened 14 months ago" question though. Must be a slow "sucks to be white" news day for them.

Honestly I want to know what this " white privilege " thing I keep hearing about is. I'm a white man..... but I certainly don't feel like I have privilege over other races. Am I being shafted here?

We must have missed the boat. I never got my free college cause i'm white card. Did you?

Manchu wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
if someone treats me better because I am white, is that not racist?

Sure but I thought you were referring to "racist" in the sense of an insult since you are acting so offended. White privilege is not necessarily conscious and in that sense it's not what we usually call "racist" in the insulting sense. Participating in/benefiting from white privilege does not mean white people consciously or even subconsciously hold the view that white people are superior or that non-whites should be treated poorly. Again, white privilege is primarily a condition rather than some kind of ideology -- although it does describe what is normative for many white people in terms of world view.

 easysauce wrote:
you cannot claim that all white people get white privilege

White privilege is not a guarantee that every particular white person will always have a better result; just that being white itself makes a better result more likely as against not being white.

And, as I mentioned, real ignorance of a privilege (as opposed to contrived) is itself the highest embodiment of privilege.

thats only true in an all or mostly white system, and even then, its not really always true... take the irish for example... gonna tell them the English gave them "white privilege"? or the Americans when they first arrived?
Its also assuming that all white people people will perform this subconscious preferential treatment, or act out on their so called condition, which is in fact a stereotype, and at best is saying people can help but be sub consciously racist or have this condition, like its a lame leg or something.

it is not a condition, it was conditioned IE taught, and it can, and was, untaught to most people in the western world.

there was a time when the whole world accepted slavery, there were african, greek, american and so on slave traders alike. Gradually, people got less stupid, and we had freedom due to lots of "uppity types" that fought for it.

the last hundred years or so, at least in the western world, most of the planet actually, a lot has changed. People are not as prejudiced in general, and its the exception, not the "privilege" or normal course of action, when someone is treated better or worse based on race.
the fact is, there are laws making up "minority only" things, while there are no "whites only" signs up in the western world, nor have there been for quite some time.

so yes, the idea of it being an "absolute" thing is still racist, and it implies that all white people are the same (see how this might cause issues with scoots/irish ect lol), or even people in general, are always going to be "subconsciously" or racist with a bias towards whatever local flavor of skin happens to be the majority.



And im not taking offense,or worried about anyone "insulting" me just want to debate , and I am concerned with the portrayal of modern society as still being something it just is not anymore.


im just explaining why the idea of a "white privilege" in the western world, in THIS day and age, as an absolute truth, is not true, and cases of it are the exception now, not the rule.

The countries where women have no rights, and certain religions or certain ethnic groups are cleansed, are the ones still stuck in the past. THOSE are the countries where this kind of society wide race based or religion based privileges are still the norm.

but most of the world generally has moved past it, and will continue to do so despite any racist arseholes that want to keep being racist arseholes.


maybe its just that some people are ignorant, that the privileges granted from being born into a good, hardworking family, with a mum and dad who loved you and would do ANYTHING for you... are not the privilege granted by their skin


TLDR

cant have racist skin privileges without racists: or how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb.



edit to add picture


mmmm marmalade

it can solve racism, marmalade toast for EVERYONE!

 KingCracker wrote:


Honestly I want to know what this " white privilege " thing I keep hearing about is. I'm a white man..... but I certainly don't feel like I have privilege over other races. Am I being shafted here?

I suggest you get on the phone to your senator and insist that you are not receiving your privilege allotted to you rightly as a white man. Disgraceful.

I hate this thread , every time I think of "Peanut butter jelly time" I start thinking about privilege and crap. Disgraceful.

I want my allocated university degree , I also need to update my "white privilege" card.

Privilege as a concept seems so subjective , but weirdly I have yet to hear about yellow privilege - Asian people don't seem to have such a large guilt fetish as whiteys.

I'm just sick and tired of the insinuations I should feel guilty because I'm white. It's bullcrap.

Honestly, the entire article is so mindblowingly moronic that I'm not even going to bother trying to criticize it. It falls apart on its own legs perfectly well.

~Tim?

 Ketara wrote:
This thread requires less posts containing semantically based logical fallacies on social constructs, and more on good British cuisine.

You gonna share those fries?

What is a fries?

 djones520 wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
This story is over a year old:

Created on Thursday, 06 September 2012 01:00

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/114604-schools-beat-the-drum-for-equity


Do we not have anything new to be upset about?

Clearly none of us had heard about it. Keep practicing your mini mod there D, you're working miracles.

I could have sworn that we had a thread here about it, but my search has left me empty.

Doesn't change the whole "why is a random blogger pissed today and talking about stupid gak that happened 14 months ago" question though. Must be a slow "sucks to be white" news day for them.

Honestly I want to know what this " white privilege " thing I keep hearing about is. I'm a white man..... but I certainly don't feel like I have privilege over other races. Am I being shafted here?

We must have missed the boat. I never got my free college cause i'm white card. Did you?

Me neither... I was given that your gak out of luck card with regards to college. I'm paying every-cent.


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 djones520 wrote:
I'm just sick and tired of the insinuations I should feel guilty because I'm white. It's bullcrap.

This. x1000!

You guys dont see it. You see, The JElly, which is often Black, and the Peanut Butter is often brown, signyfying hispanics. They are sandwiched by two pieces of WHITE bread, signifying the oppression of Blacks and Hispanic.
You guys better check your privilege

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
You guys dont see it. You see, The JElly, which is often Black, and the Peanut Butter is often brown, signyfying hispanics. They are sandwiched by two pieces of WHITE bread, signifying the oppression of Blacks and Hispanic.
You guys better check your privilege

What if the PB&J is made with wheat bread? Is it hispanics oppressing blacks and hispanics then?

No, the wheat bread is just tanned white people.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
No, the wheat bread is just tanned white people.

Oh, New Jersians. No wonder I don't like wheat bread.

What a train wreck

 Smacks wrote:
What is a fries?

Chips you blasted Saxon.

Chips = Saxon ?

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
You guys dont see it. You see, The JElly, which is often Black, and the Peanut Butter is often brown, signyfying hispanics. They are sandwiched by two pieces of WHITE bread, signifying the oppression of Blacks and Hispanic.
You guys better check your privilege

Awesome post. Have an exalt.
So a pastie is asians oppressing the contents , and dark rye bred is "uncle toms" giving it to the darky underclass, I have never truly understood privilege but now i do.

I'm off to the local uni to give them a big talk on why they should fear the pastie in the coming years. Hopefully it will be on the menu so I can have a visual aid in my long and most likely esoteric monologue.

FEAR THE PASTIE - also a British isles food

Pasties could be whatever you want.

They could be filled with any color substance, so they could be opressing any given culture. And they could be glazed, to symbolize any supressor. But between filling and coating they are always white dough, to symbolize our priviledge that is ever present.

Don't you ruin my pastie metaphor

You are right though I should have realised that even with the pastie there was a reason for white people to feel guilty.

 easysauce wrote:

its THE MAJORITY privilege,
not something race based, but something based on strict #'s where by the thing that is done by the MOST people in a given area is considered "normal"

One understanding of majority, in this context, is that the degree of influence a particular group has over the culture of a given nation is the important variable. The classic example of this is South Africa under apartheid, where it has been argued that whites held the majority of influence, despite being a minority of the population.

 easysauce wrote:

to call it out as "white" privilege is whats racist, as it 100% does imply its a "white" problem/issue and not something that happens everywhere there is a distinct majority.

so use the proper term, the proper term is "majority privilege",

That's splitting hairs. In countries where the racial group "white" is the majority, "majority privilege" is equivalent to "white privilege." Such a term does not imply that it is, in general, a "white" problem* only that in the context of the nation/s being referenced that it is one.

Though, I agree, if we're speaking regarding all groups in all locations at all times, "majority privilege" is a superior term.


*Particularly given that "white" is an amorphous concept.

 easysauce wrote:

and yes, it is more of a problem in other countries, then it is in canada/states/uk/europe... so stop acting like the west is the worst for it, because its not.

I don't think anyone made such a claim.

 Ketara wrote:

While I will acknowledge that many Americans would likely enjoy that, I would request some sriracha to go with my popovers and meat...

...and possibly an exorcist to drive peas from existence, and baked beans as well.

 Ketara wrote:

That said, tea pastries and teas sandwiches are awesome.

 whembly wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
This story is over a year old:

Created on Thursday, 06 September 2012 01:00

http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/114604-schools-beat-the-drum-for-equity


Do we not have anything new to be upset about?

Clearly none of us had heard about it. Keep practicing your mini mod there D, you're working miracles.

I could have sworn that we had a thread here about it, but my search has left me empty.

Doesn't change the whole "why is a random blogger pissed today and talking about stupid gak that happened 14 months ago" question though. Must be a slow "sucks to be white" news day for them.

Honestly I want to know what this " white privilege " thing I keep hearing about is. I'm a white man..... but I certainly don't feel like I have privilege over other races. Am I being shafted here?

We must have missed the boat. I never got my free college cause i'm white card. Did you?

Me neither... I was given that your gak out of luck card with regards to college. I'm paying every-cent.


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 djones520 wrote:
I'm just sick and tired of the insinuations I should feel guilty because I'm white. It's bullcrap.

This. x1000!

True story along those lines. My brother and I came up with a brilliant idea for a personal business, all we needed was a Grant or government loan to help us start out. So we made an appointment at some local agency that deals with that sort of thing. After telling them or idea we were told this.

That's a great idea guys but we can't help you with the loan. If either of you were a minority you'd be approved, but we simply can't help you.


Word for word what they said...... pretty privileged white guy here

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
You guys dont see it. You see, The JElly, which is often Black, and the Peanut Butter is often brown, signyfying hispanics. They are sandwiched by two pieces of WHITE bread, signifying the oppression of Blacks and Hispanic.
You guys better check your privilege

You made me laugh so hard I think I broke a rib or two...

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
dude, California Fried Fish Is the best. If you want great fried food go t CALI, not the south

This is the craziest thing I have ever read.

Yeah, hotsauce, this is probably the best thing you've ever written. Well done, good sir. I laughed my butt off.

So anyone who eats a food I don't is being racist to me?

kingleir wrote:
So anyone who eats a food I don't is being racist to me?

I'm don't think that's what it is about.

 Cheesecat wrote:

kingleir wrote:
So anyone who eats a food I don't is being racist to me?

I'm don't think that's what it is about.

It's actually pretty easy to boil it down to that, yes. Unless the person racism is "targeting" is white. Then that person is likely to just not be "cultured".

I'm pretty sure she's talking about looking at things outside the perspective of the average American, not once does she claim that PB&J sandwiches are racist.

 Cheesecat wrote:
I'm pretty sure she's talking about looking at things outside the perspective of the average American, not once does she claim that PB&J sandwiches are racist.

That's true, she doesn't claim that PB&J sandwiches are racist. Just the eating of and/or discussion of them.

Cultural sensitivity =/= racism.

Why on earth is discussing a PB+J in any way a culturally sensitive topic?

 d-usa wrote:
Pasties could be whatever you want.

Indeed.

 KingCracker wrote:

True story along those lines. My brother and I came up with a brilliant idea for a personal business, all we needed was a Grant or government loan to help us start out. So we made an appointment at some local agency that deals with that sort of thing. After telling them or idea we were told this.

That's a great idea guys but we can't help you with the loan. If either of you were a minority you'd be approved, but we simply can't help you.


Word for word what they said...... pretty privileged white guy here

If it was a great idea, why couldn't you get a loan from a bank?

Banks often don't like lending to startups. Especially smaller ones.

A guy I know is trying to start up his own FLGS but nobody will lend him money without him having at least 2 years of business records for his LLC.

So they give them to minorities though? Why so if they fail they end up bankrupt......ohhhhhhhh they are trying to bankrupt minories

 Grey Templar wrote:
Why on earth is discussing a PB+J in any way a culturally sensitive topic?

It's not a culturally sensitive topic to talk about PB+J.

It's culturally insensitive to tallk about PB+J as if it is the cultural norm and the only option for America and ignoring that other cultures present have their own food traditions.

And acknowledging that the food preferences of the majority doesn't represent the norm for all cultures is not racism, it's being culturally sensitive.

So its culturally insensitive to assume that we as Americans have our own culture

 Grey Templar wrote:
So its culturally insensitive to assume that we as Americans have our own culture

It's culturally insensitive to assume that your particular cultural background = "American Culture".

And if you truly think that there is such a thing as "American culture" then I have a bridge to sell you.

There is definitely an American culture. Its divided into a few sub-cultures but it is decidedly distinct. You do have southern, north eastern, mid-west, and west coast variations on it but its there.

America has its own culture and there is nothing wrong with that. Its a lovely thing, a mixture of other cultures all blended together. Largely English and Germanic but with a bit of native and Spanish thrown in for good measure.

 Grey Templar wrote:
There is definitely an American culture. Its divided into a few sub-cultures but it is decidedly distinct. You do have southern, north eastern, mid-west, and west coast variations on it but its there.

Cultures are different from state to state, and at times even within the state itself. The fact that there is such a distinct difference between the culture of Boston and New Orleans makes it pretty obvious that there is no such thing as "American Culture". It's not just "sub cultures", it's distinctly different cultures.

America has its own culture and there is nothing wrong with that. Its a lovely thing, a mixture of other cultures all blended together. Largely English and Germanic but with a bit of native and Spanish thrown in for good measure.

And it is still blending, and it will blend more tomorrow. And part of that blending is acknowledging that it exists and that there are sub-cultures within sub-cultures that are constantly changing and that they influence the regional culture as a whole and modify it.

And part of that is realizing that "you are American and every one of you eats PB+J and that is the normal thing to do" is not culturally sensitive.

I'm not claiming everybody who's American eats PB+J.

But I do know one thing, I'm American and not anything else.

And really, you're getting down and nitpicking to say that any little variation means its a different culture.

 Grey Templar wrote:
A guy I know is trying to start up his own FLGS but nobody will lend him money without him having at least 2 years of business records for his LLC.

The obvious solution would be founding an LLC and conducting business as one.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I'm not claiming everybody who's American eats PB+J.

And all that article states was that teachers were requested not to write their lessons in a way that assumes that PB+J was the cultural norm for everybody in that school.

But I do know one thing, I'm American and not anything else.

Great. I'm American as well. Been an American Citizen since the day I was born. My dad was in the military and was stationed in Germany. So that is where I grew up. So I'm 100% American, and I have a culture that is very much shaped and influenced by the area where I grew up. So because I'm American does that mean that American Culture = Schnitzel, Bratwurst, Maypoles, Fasching, etc, because I'm American and that is my culture?

And really, you're getting down and nitpicking to say that any little variation means its a different culture.

Well, let's take Boston and New Orleans then.

-Regional dialects so distinct that you can have problems even understanding each other.
-Very different foods.
-Different festivals and celerbrations.
-Different traditions.
-Different prominent religions.
-Different outlook on life.

That's just what I can come up with in a few seconds. How much needs to be completely different for a culture to be distinct?

 Ouze wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
But you can't taste the racism.

Well, if it tastes anything like homophobia; then it probably tastes delicious. Damn you, Chik-Fil-A!

Okay, I can't believe I even read this thread, but yeah that post got me Ouze . Well played.

Also, I did a teaching residency and worked as a high school geometry teacher for a year several years ago. We had to go through a lot of seminars about "white privilege". While there is something to the concept, of course, the overly strong focus on it was inappropriate and not helpful to teachers or students, imo- much better to focus on the positive and what you can actually affect. Discussing systematic racism is one thing, trying to make a difference in a single student's life is quite another- once again, imo.

I think it's something worth discussing, but as a math teacher, all the training I got on that would have been better served helping me learn how to effectively teach my students. This just was not at all applicable into a setting where I was trying to teach geometry, and so in my case not helpful, as it's already a concept I was well aware of.

 RiTides wrote:

Also, I did a teaching residency and worked as a high school geometry teacher for a year several years ago. We had to go through a lot of seminars about "white privilege". While there is something to the concept, of course, the overly strong focus on it was inappropriate and not helpful to teachers or students, imo- much better to focus on the positive and what you can actually affect. Discussing systematic racism is one thing, trying to make a difference in a single student's life is quite another- once again, imo.

Well, I think a lot of the responses in this thread made it pretty clear that talking about being culturally sensitive and realizing that "white privilege" is a discussion that is needed and worth having. And you are correct that there are quite a few areas where people go overboard with it and turn cultural sensitivity into reverse racism.

We need to find that balanced area between pretending that the problem doesn't exist and going overboard with trying to fix it.

Oh, Lord Kalki, where art thou?

"Hey, you!
Since you don't eat [Insert foreign cuisine] like at least one person does somewhere on the planet, you are most clearly racist! And if you even think about having Thanksgiving dinner, you're practically a member of a hate group!"



Sorry for meme usage, but this time it was simply mandatory. I am simply lost for any other words or expressions.

EDIT: Also, take the context of history out for a moment; disregard majority/minority. The claim is that the bread in question is not eaten by other ethnicities. So... Therefore it's racist? I mean, one could claim equally that since many people in America or Europe or other places don't eat tortillas, eating a tortilla is racist. Both use the same "logic", but neither seems very sensible. How about some people eat their fething food, and other people eat their fething food without people hurling accusations at one another?!? Because that's too fething reasonable!!
/

 Grey Templar wrote:
Why on earth is discussing a PB+J in any way a culturally sensitive topic?

Anything can be culturally sensitive to the bs agenda-pushers.

I've decided I'm following the president's example and sending my kids to the best private schools money can buy. Public schools are a lost cause.

 Grey Templar wrote:


And really, you're getting down and nitpicking to say that any little variation means its a different culture.

So, by that measure, because Bavarian "culture" is different to Berlin's "culture" they are not variations, but are completely different cultures? Gimme a break.


There are a few things that are common across nearly all regions, social strata, races, etc. in America, PB+J is one of those things. Baseball, apple pie, muscle cars, and steak are definitely part of "American culture" Things like gumbo and jambalaya, pizza, BBQ ribs, etc fall into the various "subcultures" (if you want to call them that) as each region will have its own way of doing it.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:


And really, you're getting down and nitpicking to say that any little variation means its a different culture.

So, by that measure, because Bavarian "culture" is different to Berlin's "culture" they are not variations, but are completely different cultures? Gimme a break.

You are clearly not German, nor are you familiar with Germany as all.

Saying that Bavaria is similar to any other place is like saying that Texas is just another state...

 dogma wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
A guy I know is trying to start up his own FLGS but nobody will lend him money without him having at least 2 years of business records for his LLC.

The obvious solution would be founding an LLC and conducting business as one.

Yes because people who need money for a company can easily just have money appear to start said company so later they can get the loan for the company. Did you even think about that response? Or was your need for trolling to strong? The point of my post was too tie into that white privilege BS that seems to go around. For me, being white seems to hinder me more than it does minorities. If I were a minority, then my company would of been funded, period.

 d-usa wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:


And really, you're getting down and nitpicking to say that any little variation means its a different culture.

So, by that measure, because Bavarian "culture" is different to Berlin's "culture" they are not variations, but are completely different cultures? Gimme a break.

You are clearly not German, nor are you familiar with Germany as all.

Saying that Bavaria is similar to any other place is like saying that Texas is just another state...

I was stationed in Germany for almost 3 years... And my comment was more a jab at the person who said "there is no American Culture" Germany as a whole has a love of Beer, bratwurst, racing automobiles, and soccer. Bavaria just does it in a little different way, plus lederhosen and Oktoberfest