I can't seem to survive a single confrontation in my M2 american tank. I'm basically all the way upgraded with the howitzer and everything, but still I die horribly. any help?

Avoid TDs

Well, the first thing you need to realize is that driving as fast as possible towards the enemy won't win you too many games.

Find the spots on the map that need to be controlled; natural chokepoints and the like and position yourself to shoot into them while staying behind cover or hull down. If you don't have support, go somewhere else where your team is so that you have the support you need. Most tanks can't hold a push on their own, and its generally not advisable until you really know the ins and outs of the game.

Finally, learn how to kill better. A dead tank can't hurt you. Thinks like aiming, weakpoints, target priority and a general knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of other tanks.

So to recap;
1) Have support. Even one tank with you is better than none. Don't hold a flank that you can't hold. Don't be afraid of the 'S' key.
2) Use cover and positioning to minimize the damage you take. I'm normally not much of a fan of peek-a-boo fights, but its not bad if you're still learning the ropes. Otherwise, find a spot you can go hull down or only expose your strongest armour when able.
3) Kill fast. Prioritize targets and learn their weakspots. Get a better crew if possible; even a 75% trained crew is significantly better than a 50% one.

I'm almost a year out of the game now, but I'm sure the fundamentals haven't changed. Ex-57%, left because arty was game breakingly awful.

Arty is much better now, I only rage against it in the odd game they kill me/track me in the open, rather than a full 1/3 of the games.

 motyak wrote:
Arty is much better now, I only rage against it in the odd game they kill me/track me in the open, rather than a full 1/3 of the games.

I just fundamentally despise a playstyle that takes infinitely less skill and decision making that actively encourages players to hug cover and stagnate the game.

There would be no downside to removing arty from the game. All the other tank classes are balanced to fight eachother without arty anyways.

Anyways, that's why I left. Other problems are still there, but I can live with them if arty was removed.

Yeah, but now I view getting tracked by an arty player as really no worse than getting tracked in the open by any other tank. But I do agree that the game wouldn't suffer for the loss of arty.

And @OP the M2 is tier 2 or something isn't it? Hang in there. Tier 2 games usually end up with a bunch of guys tooling about in T18s clubbing everyone else over the head. It'll be better from Tiers 3/4 and onwards.

Your howitzer has a long reload time, so you'll want to avoid fire-fights. It can demolish most stuff around Tier 3 or lower, and cause heavy damage to nearly any tank short of a Matilda at Tier 4, but the reload time makes it essentially a one-use shot against anything that's spotted you.

Using cover and support is best, and don't be afraid to hang back and lob a howitzer shell at enemies your allies have spotted that may not even realise you can see them - the M2 has a terrific signal range for its tier, so you can hang fairly far back and still be part of the fight.

The M2's gun depression is also excellent, making hull-down positions one of the best ways of surviving in the open or whilst awaiting support - just be aware of artillery that might be ranging in as you're thinking that you're safe.

Both because of the reload time, and the fact that firing a shot absolutely destroys a tank's camo rating, you cannot allow yourself to camp in a game containing artillery. You're open-topped, so arty and HE shells will turn you into M2 jelly. The only times you can afford not to shoot-n-scoot is when you have a large rock formation or sizable solid terrain piece between you and the artillery.

As someone who adores playing arty, there is nothing more frustrating that being called to fire on a target tucked behind a rock or ledge that's just tall enough to block the shell, or force it to overshoot. Solid houses on some maps play the same role in offering shelter from artillery. As soon as you hear the shell land, you can pop out and take your shot, then back yourself in again. Even if you don't kill anything, you've provided a distraction for any artillery player who doesn't know when he can and can't take out a target, and players like that are surprisingly common.

You've probably also gained the attention of any TDs or other tanks in the area, in which case, just popping the front of your track out of cover and quickly slipping back, then repeating at random can force itchy trigger-fingers to fall, revealing enemies for your own team to make note of; just beware of quick light tanks, especially a Panzer I C - I Cs are ridiculously quick, armoured, and powerful, and make mincemeat of any tank T3 and below it comes across, and the vast majority of T4s, and some lighter armoured T5+ TDs and arty. If you see a I C coming at you and you have no other target, take your time with a shot and try and track him; if there are other targets sitting still, ignore him and fire at them; in either case, you'll be dead soon after.


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 motyak wrote:
Yeah, but now I view getting tracked by an arty player as really no worse than getting tracked in the open by any other tank. But I do agree that the game wouldn't suffer for the loss of arty.

And @OP the M2 is tier 2 or something isn't it? Hang in there. Tier 2 games usually end up with a bunch of guys tooling about in T18s clubbing everyone else over the head. It'll be better from Tiers 3/4 and onwards.

The M2 is T3 unfortunately.

I say unfortunately because that's still full of T18s but has the added bonus of the Pz I Cs I mentioned. >.<

Yeha, TDs have replaced arty as the rage inducing tanks

I'm on the new Xbox version, so it's fresh I guess? I just got the M3 lee

The real problem is that you aren't playing the British Light and TD lines. That's where it is at. They are the most fun I've had out of any line.

I enjoyed all the Russian branches I played; meds, heavies and TDs. The American heavy and med lines were also quite enjoyable, bar the odd lemon at the start, like the Lee.

Though I think the most fun I had was the French light/med line when it first dropped. Man, those AMXs and Lorraine were unreal at first. Fun to play and deadly to boot.

Talking about that almost makes me want to come back.

Almost.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
I'm on the new Xbox version, so it's fresh I guess? I just got the M3 lee

Unless the Xbox version tanks are statted differently, the M3 Lee can be a challenging tank to play. Hetzers and Alectos with derp guns salivate any time an M3 Lee is on the enemy team, because they're made out of spit and papier maché. Your gun also isn't turret-mounted, it plays similarly to a fixed-gun TD with the exception that, placed correctly, it can peek the gun around corners whilst keeping 95% of itself hidden. The gun is pretty much the Lee's only saving grace, having a considerable damage and penetration plus a very good rate of fire.

Pros:
Gun is excellent for its tier
Fair traverse speed and signal range
Peeking out of left-hand corners makes you almost immune to return fire

Cons:
Piss-poor armour
Poor speed
Can't fight enemies that flank right
Huge silhouette
Going hull-down is impossible
Camo values are abysmal
Actual view range is pathetic

The Lee is a medium tank in class only - play it like a tank destroyer. Never, EVER be part of a first wave, expose yourself as little as possible to enemies, hang back with friendly TDs, and be wary of any gun pointing in your direction; especially derp guns like the German and British TD howitzers.

Alectos with derp guns

I. Love. The. Derplecto. I love it. With the 25 pdr it is in my top 3 tanks. I love it.

there are only german british and american tanks.

Also, trying to grind for the Sherman heavy tank.

still very new

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
there are only german british and american tanks.

Also, trying to grind for the Sherman heavy tank.

still very new

Sherman is a medium, if you are referring to the M4? Unless Xbox changed that for some reason from the PC version. And don't derp with the Sherman, no one likes that guy

yes i am refering the the M4, pardon me X-X

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
yes i am refering the the M4, pardon me X-X

All good, it is part of the medium line that leads off to the patton and what not (from memory), but the real fun in the US lines is the T29 and what not, ridiculously loltastic turret armour. Get hull down, rotate your turret a bit so the cupola is a hard to hit target, and just troll enemy tanks.

It's a tough game X-X

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
It's a tough game X-X

It gets easier.

You'll have an epiphany after 500-1000 games where you suddenly realize everything you've been doing wrong. Oh, and wouldn't hurt to read up on some player made guides on the forums. I know they helped me anyways.

 motyak wrote:

Alectos with derp guns

I. Love. The. Derplecto. I love it. With the 25 pdr it is in my top 3 tanks. I love it.

I never used the 25pdr. I compared it to the 3.7 I already had, and decided it was too much of a side-grade to be worth spending exp on.

 motyak wrote:
Arty is much better now, I only rage against it in the odd game they kill me/track me in the open, rather than a full 1/3 of the games.

I see that you aren't an arty player. Arty does take real skill to play properly but it also takes skill to avoid and once you know to to avoid it arty becomes a very manageable threat. It obviously does a lot of damage but in general they have huge reload times, very slow aiming times and a tiny traverse. Getting hits with arty was not easy. Now that arty has been nerfed it is almost impossible, certainly with Soviet arty, to the extent that you don't even have to bother taking precautions against them.

I used to enjoy playing arty, not any more and given how rare arty is I am not the only one that feels this way. I have no idea why it was nerfed in the first place, arty quite simply was not overpowered.

One of the most important aspects of WoT it is how to use cover. If you are in the open keep moving, never stop, and head to a good piece of cover in a good tactical position as soon as you can. Generally this is off to one flank at about the middle of the map but each map is different

There are two types of cover, bushes and buildings. Bushes and the like only block line of sight and as soon as you fire they provide no protection at all, if you are going to use them from medium or long range (and there are other plays around who can scout for you) then reverse out of the bush far enough that you can't see through it when zoomed in as this means that you will keep your cover when you fire.

Hard cover completely blocks enemy fire but you will have to expose yourself to fire. In this case the best idea is to pop out just enough that you can see your target and retreat to reload. this can be risky so its best if you pick a building which has a limited field of view to protect you from incoming fire.

Its a fairly complex game by normal 'FPS' standards and running and gunning really doesn't work.


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 motyak wrote:

All good, it is part of the medium line that leads off to the patton and what not (from memory), but the real fun in the US lines is the T29 and what not, ridiculously loltastic turret armour. Get hull down, rotate your turret a bit so the cupola is a hard to hit target, and just troll enemy tanks.

Someone tried this against me yesterday, shame about my 152mm derp gun

 Palindrome wrote:

 motyak wrote:
Arty is much better now, I only rage against it in the odd game they kill me/track me in the open, rather than a full 1/3 of the games.

I see that you aren't an arty player. Arty does take real skill to play properly but it also takes skill to avoid and once you know to to avoid it arty becomes a very manageable threat. It obviously does a lot of damage but in general they have huge reload times, very slow aiming times and a tiny traverse. Getting hits with arty was not easy. Now that arty has been nerfed it is almost impossible, certainly with Soviet arty, to the extent that you don't even have to bother taking precautions against them.

Oh I have no doubt it takes skill, I meant that before the nerfs I was often being killed by arty in my british TDs, but since the nerf it is more when they track me while I'm making a dash for cover, or when I'm in a turretless TD and I get tracked juuust as an enemy hellcat rolls around the corner. That sort of stuff is when I end up just moaning (in my head mind you, not going to complain in in game chat) about d-bag arty. But its the same as someone who gets derped by me while I'm in my alecto, I'm sure they'd be going 'gorramn derp guns'.

 motyak wrote:
I meant that before the nerfs I was often being killed by arty in my british TDs,

Well slow but well armoured TDs are one of arty's main targets so......

I love my arty; my M37 is one of my favourite tanks to use. Copping a medium in the face whilst he's moving cross country is ridiculously satisfying.

I prefer to go zipping about in ligth tanks actualy, particualry the Chinese ones, so much fun has been had.
outside of those I have always had a soft spot for the Russian tanks

I'm trying to get my T-34 and KV-1 for the Russians.

I've gone for the T-80 route to the T-34, and that's hard enough; the only route to the KV is through the T-28... I despise that tank. I cannot play more than 2-3 consecutive matches in it without it getting on my nerves.

Luckily I have my trusty M37 and my Pz.sfl IV to help me let off some steam by blowing lots of gak up.

I did the T28 grind when it could still fit the 85mm gun, that made it a little easier

The KV line is worth it although it can be very grindy. I never got past the T34 though, its just not that good.

I'm more an E100 type. Load gold for maximum derp.

I have never bothered getting to tier X.

 Blacksails wrote:

 motyak wrote:
Arty is much better now, I only rage against it in the odd game they kill me/track me in the open, rather than a full 1/3 of the games.

I just fundamentally despise a playstyle that takes infinitely less skill and decision making that actively encourages players to hug cover and stagnate the game.

There would be no downside to removing arty from the game. All the other tank classes are balanced to fight eachother without arty anyways.

Anyways, that's why I left. Other problems are still there, but I can live with them if arty was removed.

After playing the 360 I enjoyed having arty around.

It kept players from camping bushes and staying still for too long. Yeah, the arty players sat around and hid, but they're arty. That's their job.

When they super nerfed arty during the beta, the amount of camping increased tenfold. I don't know why people rage about arty so much. It's the most important asset of the game to keep it from slowing down and getting boring. If you were getting hit a whole lot, that's because you didn't move very often and made for an easy target.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

After playing the 360 I enjoyed having arty around.

It kept players from camping bushes and staying still for too long. Yeah, the arty players sat around and hid, but they're arty. That's their job.

When they super nerfed arty during the beta, the amount of camping increased tenfold. I don't know why people rage about arty so much. It's the most important asset of the game to keep it from slowing down and getting boring. If you were getting hit a whole lot, that's because you didn't move very often and made for an easy target.

I was going to write a long reply to this about why I hate arty, but after reading it back, it only sounded incredibly condescending and not a little insulting. Instead, I'll simply strongly disagree with the notion that arty 'speeds' up the game. What arty does, quite simply, is deny the ability to use things like hull down in terrain depressions, and forces players to seek refuge behind large obstacles. Arty, if anything, encourages more camping, only instead of it being behind a bush, its behind a building. It also denies the use of slopes, small rocks, other tanks carcasses, depressions, and any number of other ways in which to go hull down in relatively open areas.

I have never seen an arty free game reduced to camping. I have seen hundreds of 3+ arty a side matches turn into 10 minutes of rock humping.

But I won't clog up this thread with my arty hating. If you wish to know more about why I hate arty and why I left the game, feel free to PM me.

As an artillery-lover I might be a little biased, but on the EU servers at least the vast majority of games containing arty don't become camping games due to their presence. If anything, it's the TD horde games that turn into boring staring competitions, and if I get one of those games in my SPG then I metaphorically salivate at the free kills.

I've found TD hordes to be far more common than massed artillery games, and infinitely more mind-numbing; the first team that tries to actively secure a win is usually the one that dies in flames thanks to WoT's inane camouflage system, and the fact that putting a single track out of line is as good as wrapping your tank in blinking fairy lights and a neon sign that says "Shoot me".

It might be different on US servers, but on EU artillery is far from problematic, especially since the matchmaking for it seems to be mostly alright (I can count the number of 4-5 SPGs per side matches on one hand; the vast majority have 1-2).

 Avatar 720 wrote:
As an artillery-lover I might be a little biased, but on the EU servers at least the vast majority of games containing arty don't become camping games due to their presence. If anything, it's the TD horde games that turn into boring staring competitions, and if I get one of those games in my SPG then I metaphorically salivate at the free kills.

I've found TD hordes to be far more common than massed artillery games, and infinitely more mind-numbing; the first team that tries to actively secure a win is usually the one that dies in flames thanks to WoT's inane camouflage system, and the fact that putting a single track out of line is as good as wrapping your tank in blinking fairy lights and a neon sign that says "Shoot me".

It might be different on US servers, but on EU artillery is far from problematic, especially since the matchmaking for it seems to be mostly alright (I can count the number of 4-5 SPGs per side matches on one hand; the vast majority have 1-2).

This is exactly how things were on the US/EU (we tended to all get lumped in on the same servers) beta servers for the 360 version a few months ago. I know this because I mainly ran German TD's. Before the arty nerf, I relied heavily on "shoot n scoot" tactics, where I'd pop off a shot or two, then move. If you didn't, you would get annihilated as they would watch for your muzzle flash. You would move and a couple of seconds later without fail an arty round would hit right where you had been sitting. After the nerf (apparently bringing arty in line with how the computer was at the time) I literally could sit in one spot all game and just wrack up kills like crazy. The only time I needed to move was if enemy tanks started to get around me, and then I just backed up so my front armor was angling to as many tanks as possible. Arty went from being seen 2 or 3 every game to one every 3 or 4 matches. It seriously gimped the purpose of light spotting tanks and allowed camping TD's to reign supreme.

Eventually this got boring and I started running mainly light tanks like the Luchs and Chaffee, as a way to break up the crushing boringness that was playing games with a high percentage of camping TD's. I would either park so I could spot TD's and force them to move, or would run in and knock out 2 or 3 in an attempt to make a hole for my team. I'm not joking when I say that TD's could make up 50% of your team at higher levels when I was still playing the beta before the new year came around. Trying to drive anything slower than a Luchs across open terrain was tantamount to suicide, so everyone just camped.

No idea how it is now. Got a PC that can run most games and let my Xbox Live run out. Haven't played the 360 WoT version for a couple months now.

There are a very high amount of TD's, and It's actually starting to get annoying as I usually drive medium american tanks. I hate getting one shotted

From experience in T5 tanks and below, the only times you'll be one-shotted by TDs are when facing certain tanks 2+ tiers higher than you, or facing derp guns; the M3 Lee as I mentioned earlier is particularly susceptible to various TD-mounted howitzers and the like, and a lucky shot against anything else can cook off your ammo rack and blow you sky high.

Not that being able to shrug off more than one shot matters when you're staring down the barrels of 7 TDs. =|

I know. but it's the only way to get to American heavy tanks and such?

plus, it's just me being patriotic o-o

 Avatar 720 wrote:
From experience in T5 tanks and below, the only times you'll be one-shotted by TDs are when facing certain tanks 2+ tiers higher than you, or facing derp guns; the M3 Lee as I mentioned earlier is particularly susceptible to various TD-mounted howitzers and the like, and a lucky shot against anything else can cook off your ammo rack and blow you sky high.

Not that being able to shrug off more than one shot matters when you're staring down the barrels of 7 TDs. =|

Ha.haha.hahahaha you haven't even reached T9 and T10 territory, you don't know the meaning of one shots.

 Soladrin wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
From experience in T5 tanks and below, the only times you'll be one-shotted by TDs are when facing certain tanks 2+ tiers higher than you, or facing derp guns; the M3 Lee as I mentioned earlier is particularly susceptible to various TD-mounted howitzers and the like, and a lucky shot against anything else can cook off your ammo rack and blow you sky high.

Not that being able to shrug off more than one shot matters when you're staring down the barrels of 7 TDs. =|

Ha.haha.hahahaha you haven't even reached T9 and T10 territory, you don't know the meaning of one shots.

Tier 9/10 seems hellishly boring. Fire a shot, wait 5 mins to reload, fire again, die in flames.

 Soladrin wrote:

Ha.haha.hahahaha you haven't even reached T9 and T10 territory, you don't know the meaning of one shots.

Do you know how often my ST-I has been one shotted? Once, and that was by pre nerf Foch. One shots become rare after tier VI, unless you are a light tank or a French medium.

Low tier games are rife with them though, anything that can fit a howitzer can one shot on tier and below tanks quite easily and some are abosolute beasts (the Hetzer is a perfect example).

High teir games are a lot more tactical than low tier games, although there tends ot be more camping. Reload times are much longer, you have to actually aim at weakspots for most things and tanks tend to be slower.

You can still go hull down against arty, you just can't sit still and hope to survive. All you need to do is move around within the cover as even a small movement can completely knacker arty's aim.

Actaully my E100 has been one shotted on occasion by WT E100s or arty.

And then there's always the deathstar. It'll one shot tier 8 tanks.

Now that was a hell of a match; after my third kill I was at 1hp with my gunner dead - went on to get two more (would have been at least one more than that if my gunner had been alive) and missed a last second shot against the last enemy tank - a charging spg that rammed and killed me.

Someplace I have a replay of getting my Poole's Medal. Not sure about my Kolobanovs.

Yea, what you guys said is right.


the M3 lee SUCKS.

I quite enjoyed it actually. I played it like a TD and it did fine.

It's quite amusing with these country vs. country matches they have introduced. I think in about the 9 or 10 games that have involved Germans, I've seen them win one and draw one. The win was against Americans (4 kills with my trusty PzIV in that one! ), that are generally considered one of the weaker lines.

The game is great fun if you view it for what it is, really a fun arcade battle that will do its best to suck money out of you.

They dont have that yet on 360, but now I gotta ask.

M4, or T1?

M4.

No question. Unless something has drastically changed to either tank, M4 is fun and a rockin tank.

M4 with the derp gun. The T1 has never impressed me when I face it but the M4 can be irritating.

A 'derp' gun is any large calibre gun (for its tier) that fires HE rounds (Generally 75,105 and 152mm guns). HE rounds almost always do damage (they very rarely richochet) but have quite a low penetration; if you do get a penetration however they do massive damage, often enough to kill your target outright.

I love derp guns.

Going to agree with the M4 Derp. Anything open-topped or a lower tier than you isn't likely to still be standing after 1-2 shots, and anything bigger than you will still feel the pain.

I finally got my ST-I elite, only took me about 300k of grinding.....

 motyak wrote:
Yeah, but now I view getting tracked by an arty player as really no worse than getting tracked in the open by any other tank. But I do agree that the game wouldn't suffer for the loss of arty.

And @OP the M2 is tier 2 or something isn't it? Hang in there. Tier 2 games usually end up with a bunch of guys tooling about in T18s clubbing everyone else over the head. It'll be better from Tiers 3/4 and onwards.

Unless you're playing a scout tank. In which case, bend over. A lot.

Unless it's a French scout tank. then you make other tanks bend over. a lot.

My new gun is making quite a difference, I don't have to aim quite so carefully anymore

any tips to make the lvl grind easier?

The only thing guaranteed to work is to buy a premium account. Aside from that simply be useful, EXP and credits are earned for causing damage (kills only give a small bonus), scouting enemy tanks, spotting enemy tanks and capturing/defending points.

One of the major problems with grinding is that starting guns tend to be pretty much useless which makes it difficult to actually cause damage. If you are finding that your shots bounce nearly all the time then load HE rounds, they are pretty useless on most guns but they will do some damage and they have a decent chance of damaging modules. At least this will give you some experience and you won;t be a dead weight for your team.

You may find this useful (its quite complex though). http://wiki.worldoftanks.com/Battle_Mechanics

This is a really good guide

http://wiki.worldoftanks.com/Tactics

 Palindrome wrote:
If you are finding that your shots bounce nearly all the time then load HE rounds, they are pretty useless on most guns but they will do some damage and they have a decent chance of damaging modules. At least this will give you some experience and you won;t be a dead weight for your team.

I vouch for this method. That's how I made many of my crappier tanks (including scouts) useful.

Another option is that if you are say moving from 3-4, and you really like your top gun in the tier 3 tank, play that a bit more and get some free XP, and use that (and a wee bit of gold) to skip the bad starter gun/s on your tier 4 tank (insert additional tiers where necessary). For example, I played my Tier 5 British TD, the AT2, for a chunk more games so that I could skip the first two guns on the AT8 (6 pdrs in tier 8 games? No thank you).

That or bite the bullet and buy a Lowe, and use additional gold to transfer over the buckets of free XP you'll make.

Grinding enough free exp can take a very long time though, I usually just bite the bullet and grind my way up (thats what I did with my AT8).

Also tier 8 premium tanks cost about £35/40, I for one am not happy about spending that much money on a digital tank.

Get a lower cost one, then. A lot of people rush toward the Lowe or another T8, but if you're new it's better to pick up something like a locust. MM *tends* to be kind to it, and it's a decent T3 light.

Sadly, the really good ones tend to get removed from store. (Type 59, Pz38H)

Mm I guess the high tier/low tier thing is also affected by who you play with. I felt bad limiting my mates who got me into the game to the low tiers, so come tax return time a while ago I bought a lowe to play with their tier 8s while I ground on up. If you play alone though, I do think a lower tier one would be a good idea.

I for one am tired of fighting tier eight tanks as a tier four scout

Finally moved past them to the T-34. Sure it has a crappy gun, but at least it can last more than one hit, especially if they hit my upgraded turret (which is why I hull down whenever possible)

 Melissia wrote:
I for one am tired of fighting tier eight tanks as a tier four scout

Finally moved past them to the T-34. Sure it has a crappy gun, but at least it can last more than one hit, especially if they hit my upgraded turret (which is why I hull down whenever possible)

Which one? I might be able to give you tips in killing them.

I'll admit I've been more focused on World of Warplanes myself lately.

Tier 4 scounts can't kill tier 8s. All they can do is hide in a bush and hope they don't get spotted

some tanks have really bad grinds (german VK 3002 seriese, Jpn tanks in general, the french B1). you can suck it up and grind these tanks and not have very much fun and possibly hurt your stats in the process. I find that it is much easier to find a tank i really enjoy playing that im pretty decent in that can reliably net me a good amount of exp per battle. once i have made these tanks elite, i check accellerate crew training and let the free exp pool up.

there are some tanks that are really good for farming free exp in lower tiers and are still fun to play, but many more are in tiers 5, 6 and even 7.

before i started this latest gak team streak it was fairly easy for me to have a 60-70% win ratio using my IS-2 and IS tanks with the top 122mm guns. 1000+ exp games were very common and that is without premium. being able to deal large amounts of damage nets you loads of exp and credits, missions just increase what you bring in more.

i have had 1k exp defeats, 5k dmg wins being able to do well really makes going up a tree much faster. i have blown over 40k free exp multiple times researching upgrades or tanks just to skip them or to skip a long grind. other than the 2 premium tanks i own (i actually play them very little) i do not spend money on the game, i really do not see the need to except for crew exp, but there are enough missions to reduce this.

 Palindrome wrote:
Tier 4 scounts can't kill tier 8s. All they can do is hide in a bush and hope they don't get spotted

My W/R in the Luchs disagrees with you. Load that autocannon with prem and crit the SoB to death. Deadeye is your friend.

That takes gold ammo ands lasts just long enough to get 1 shotted. The only realistic way to do well with tier 4 scouts in tier 8 games is to learn how to be a good passive scout, in other words hide in bushes.

 Palindrome wrote:
That takes gold ammo ands lasts just long enough to get 1 shotted. The only realistic way to do well with tier 4 scouts in tier 8 games is to learn how to be a good passive scout, in other words hide in bushes.

So, wait, you've never set them on fire or critted someone to death? Use terrain, get close, track them, then crit their turrets. Aim for their fuel tanks, set them on fire. Granted, I only have 3k battles or so in lights, with a 55% or better WR for T4 lights, but it does work. Granted, I also have a ton of 'Lucky's from being close to a tank that was then killed by their team mates trying to hit me, but it's not hard.

I've killed tier IX non artys with my Chaffee. God I love that little guy. And then every once in a blue moon I get put into a game with nothing higher than tier VII and it's just pure hilarity.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

So, wait, you've never set them on fire or critted someone to death? Use terrain, get close, track them, then crit their turrets. Aim for their fuel tanks, set them on fire. Granted, I only have 3k battles or so in lights, with a 55% or better WR for T4 lights, but it does work. Granted, I also have a ton of 'Lucky's from being close to a tank that was then killed by their team mates trying to hit me, but it's not hard.

That would explain what that Luchs was completely failing to do to my IS the other day then, I was wondering why he was even bothering firing at me. He didn't last long but he orange damaged one of my tracks so well worth it.

Any strat that relies on gold ammo has no interest for me.

The new anti-team killing system is absolutely hilarious. Yesterday had one of my own team shoot me at the start, knock about 1/3rd of my hp - then continue shooting in the ground around me. I asked for an apology, but he just ignored me (or didn't understand) and kept it up. I stopped while he was in the process of ramming me, he drove past and I put a couple of shells in the back of him. 2nd one hit the ammo rack, *blam* then I got kicked off the server and banned for an hour

Luckily I don't pay for premium otherwise I probably wouldn't have found it so funny!

On my Lee I racked up 6 kills, killed 1 team-mate, and almost killed 2 others in a single game.

People have no situational awareness. I'd have been very pissed off if I'd been kicked and banned because people can't understand that you don't drive and then stop in front of your team's best tanker whilst he's busy shooting at something you've suddenly appeared in front of.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

People have no situational awareness. I'd have been very pissed off if I'd been kicked and banned because people can't understand that you don't drive and then stop in front of your team's best tanker whilst he's busy shooting at something you've suddenly appeared in front of.

True, but then you get people raging unjustly in similar situations. We had a waffle E100 camping in a spot way in the back, me and another tank started rolling up, and someone got spotted ages away. The waffle started screaming at me to uninstall and quit and just go burn, because I was between him and his shot. I had been advancing in a straight line, he had decided to change bushes so he was directly behind me, and he wasn't about to see over an AT15. Idiot. If I had pulled in front of him then yeah, justified, but this other tank and I had rolled a good 600m, he'd moved in behind me, then raged he couldn't see around me.

Sorry about the rant. Freaking WT E100s, I hate that tank so damn much.

 motyak wrote:

Sorry about the rant. Freaking WT E100s, I hate that tank so damn much.

On this, we agree. Death to WGs Fantasy Tank! Why not put even a real paper project in, let alone a real tank?

I never knew ramming was so fun. My M3 tank with 1% health bum rushed a stuck tank and barely tapped it, then both suddenly exploded. it was glorious.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 motyak wrote:

Sorry about the rant. Freaking WT E100s, I hate that tank so damn much.

On this, we agree. Death to WGs Fantasy Tank! Why not put even a real paper project in, let alone a real tank?

To be fair, it's probably best not to view the tank line up in WoT with too critical an eye when it comes to what tanks are real, and which aren't.

And I'm pretty sure even the latest Zeiss optics carried on Tigers and the like didn't have an HuD that indicated enemy tanks in glowing red

 Pacific wrote:

To be fair, it's probably best not to view the tank line up in WoT with too critical an eye when it comes to what tanks are real, and which aren't.

In general with WoT, before the WT line, they generally stuck to things that were at least paper projects, proposed designs, etc. With the E50 they started to go off the rails, because the E50 (design) was a rear transmission. When they decided to create Teir 10 meds, they made the E50 a front trasnmission tank, and the 50M the actual design for the E50. Rather than, you know, add another tank to those damn fascists. (Seriously, Read SerB's rants sometime, it's hilarious. This guy worships Stalin as God Emperor. So if you ever wonder why Russian tanks are supreme and German tanks Really, really suck...)

2000 from the Cromwell, this is going to get even more awesome. And I'm already loving the crusader

I actually kept the Crusader. It's a fun tank.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
So if you ever wonder why Russian tanks are supreme and German tanks Really, really suck...)

I don't for the simple reason that this isn't true.

The Cromwell is an excellent tank, its just a shame that is may as well be unarmoured

 Palindrome wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
So if you ever wonder why Russian tanks are supreme and German tanks Really, really suck...)

I don't for the simple reason that this isn't true.

The Cromwell is an excellent tank, its just a shame that is may as well be unarmoured

Eh, my 2nd or 3rd favourite TD is the Alecto. I know unarmoured

 Palindrome wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:
So if you ever wonder why Russian tanks are supreme and German tanks Really, really suck...)

I don't for the simple reason that this isn't true.

As a player of pretty much everything, I have to say that these new 'Confrontation' (country vs. country) matchups they have introduced generally only end one way for Germany. I've played probably 13-15 of them with Germany involved, and Germany have probably only won 25-33% of those. Although that it completely anecdotal I admit.

Played a game though the other day that had 12-13 Hellcats in it which was pretty amusing..

I played one a few hours ago that had 11. That was funny.

 Pacific wrote:

As a player of pretty much everything, I have to say that these new 'Confrontation' (country vs. country) matchups they have introduced generally only end one way for Germany.

They aren't a very good representation as they tend to only involve a handful of different hulls, as you said 12 Hellcats. I played a similar game ther other day in my Churchill VII, it didn't end well.

The W/L data for every tank was posted on the WoT forums a couple of years ago for the EU and Russian servers. There really wasn't all that much difference between the nations, although some tanks were better than others. I don't read the forums anymore but doubltess more recent data has been posted and I very much doubt that things would have changed. As a player I also haven't noticed any national bias.

Soviet tanks have been reputed to be better than German ever since the game was in beta, if not before. I have never found any evidence for this other than people complaining about specific tanks and Germany has some very effective hulls, for example the E75 is probably the best tier IX heavy. In short I treat it as forum waffle until such time as I see some concrete evidence proving otherwise.

I don't know whether there are stats or not, but what I do know is that situations like this seem to happen every time I play confrontation, to the point where I usually turn it off when I'm playing German tanks



At one point me and 2 other tigers were just hammering away at the one IS that had come round the corner. *ping* *ping* *ping*
And this is the '88, the most feared weapon of WW2. 'Accurate physics'? If they were the Russians would have carried on past Berlin and into London within a couple of weeks

The Russian mvp looks to have been the 122-44, one of the best gold-purchasable tanks you can get. It may have also been using gold ammo, since the owner can obviously afford it cash-wise.

 Pacific wrote:
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At one point me and 2 other tigers were just hammering away at the one IS that had come round the corner. *ping* *ping* *ping*

Where were you aiming? The IS has fairly strong turret armour and it has well sloped frontal armour so its one of those tanks that needs careful aiming to beat, although this is true for most high tier tanks. The lower glacis plate to either side of the track link is a good weakspot as is the drivers vision block and the turret cupola. Its exposed fuel tanks are also another easily exploitable weakness.

Its not really worth comparing real world effectiveness to WoT effectiveness

Are you aware of sidescraping? Its something that Tigers are good at.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
The Russian mvp looks to have been the 122-44, one of the best gold-purchasable tanks you can get. It may have also been using gold ammo, since the owner can obviously afford it cash-wise.

The 122-44 was one of my favourite tanks. So awesome, especially with gold ammo.

 Avatar 720 wrote:
The Russian mvp looks to have been the 122-44, one of the best gold-purchasable tanks you can get. It may have also been using gold ammo, since the owner can obviously afford it cash-wise.

Nah, look at his damage, and then look at the ISs. I'd say he say back and picked off everyone elses kills.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
The Russian mvp looks to have been the 122-44, one of the best gold-purchasable tanks you can get. It may have also been using gold ammo, since the owner can obviously afford it cash-wise.

Nah, look at his damage, and then look at the ISs. I'd say he say back and picked off everyone elses kills.

He has the highest damage...

 Blacksails wrote:


He has the highest damage...

Look at his kills vs damage and then everyone elses.

3k damage for 7 kills? Then see the guys with slightly less and only 1 kill. What's happening is the IS are blasting the German tanks down to 10-20%, then the TD sitting sniping picks them off while the IS moves to the next target.

 Blacksails wrote:

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Avatar 720 wrote:
The Russian mvp looks to have been the 122-44, one of the best gold-purchasable tanks you can get. It may have also been using gold ammo, since the owner can obviously afford it cash-wise.

Nah, look at his damage, and then look at the ISs. I'd say he say back and picked off everyone elses kills.

He has the highest damage...

What I think he's getting at is the fact he has 3k damage and 7 kills, whereas some of the IS' have 1 kill and 1.5-2.5k damage.

 motyak wrote:


Sorry about the rant. Freaking WT E100s, I hate that tank so damn much.

+1 To that, that tank is so stupid

Tier ten battles are no fun when half the enemy team is waffletraktors and 183s

if i had my IS or IS-2 in a match vs all those tigers id have over 3k dmg as i would have put every round i had into them.

http://wotreplays.com/site/656903#self

Ever seen someone bounce an FV304 using their gun barrel? It's towards the end after the player himself got knocked out.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
I can't seem to survive a single confrontation in my M2 american tank. I'm basically all the way upgraded with the howitzer and everything, but still I die horribly. any help?

I have an M2 Medium with the howitzer as well and I love it. Though I have much higher tier tanks I still take it out for a spin nearly every day. It's a well armored and dangerous foe for its tier. I have a 61% win record with it, so maybe I can help.

First, remember that at tier III there are very few bounces, virtually every round fired by you and at you will penetrate. This means that using cover is even more important than it sometimes is at higher tiers.

Second, snipe where possible while not spotted. Let lighter faster tanks do the spotting, them snipe the enemy with the howitzer. It has a long range and is very powerful often destroying enemy tanks at tiers I to III with just a hit or two.

Third, be sure to use your facing properly. If you have to take hits make sure that they hit your front armor, preferably at an angle of about 30 degrees to maximize the thickness of it against the incoming fire.

Fourth, the M2 Medium is fairly fast so if you have to move quickly and redeploy to another part of the battlefield to avoid more powerful enemies.

It's important to compare your tanks to the others in the game and adjust your tactics accordingly. If you have a tank in the highest tier in the game, get out there and bully the enemy! If you are lower tier then hang back and add your fire in a supporting way while avoiding taking hits from higher tier enemies that will vaporize your tank. For example, occasionally World Of Tanks (WoT) puts me in games with tier V tanks while I'm using my M2 Medium. I always keep carefully hidden in games like that, sniping higher tier tanks when I can. I've killed Matilda and T14 tier V tanks this way. If I'm in the highest tier for the game then I play more aggressively. If most of the tanks in the game are lower tier than my tank I play even more aggressively. Be aware of the situation from the start of the game.

I hope this helps. Good luck on the battlefield!

P.S. Check out my own little WoT story here if you like: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/583572.page

Dose anyone know if we will be seeing the Russians, Chinese and French in the Xbox version at some point?

Probably.

The PC version will apparently be getting Italians next.

I have been playing around in a VK 36.01H recently and its an absolute monster, easily my favourite T6 heavy. It's gun is nothing special but its fast(ish) and it is supremely good at side scraping, for example I held the street on Himmelsdorf against 2 T6 meds, a Nashorn and a Jagdpanther and all they managed to do to me was break my track, I didn't lose a single hit point. I absolutely hated it in the beta, I suspect that I didn't know how to use it.

I had an 'interesting' game earlier, a US/ German confrontation game where the US team consisted of 14 Hellcats and 1 lone arty. I managed to spot 12 of the Hellcats and held them off long enough for majority of my team to Lemming to their deaths.

Hellcat city. That would have been a sweet game to be in my hellcat for.

I am stuck grinding through the M3 Lee.

WoT Xbox 360 has announced that they will be adding more tanks this coming week on Monday and Wednesday. Check it out at https://www.facebook.com/WoTXbox

 BrassScorpion wrote:
WoT Xbox 360 has announced that they will be adding more tanks this coming week on Monday and Wednesday. Check it out at https://www.facebook.com/WoTXbox

It's changed to 8 new tanks on wednesday instead of splitting it into 2 releases of 4

 Palindrome wrote:


I have been playing around in a VK 36.01H recently and its an absolute monster, easily my favourite T6 heavy. It's gun is nothing special but its fast(ish) and it is supremely good at side scraping, for example I held the street on Himmelsdorf against 2 T6 meds, a Nashorn and a Jagdpanther and all they managed to do to me was break my track, I didn't lose a single hit point. I absolutely hated it in the beta, I suspect that I didn't know how to use it.

I am looking forward to getting mine. Soon....

Just did



with my 30.01 H. Hell of a game.

Radley-Walters in my AT2. Awesome game.

http://wotreplays.com/site/679120#ruinberg_on_fire-motyak-at_2

weeeeeeeeee

 motyak wrote:
Radley-Walters in my AT2. Awesome game.

http://wotreplays.com/site/679120#ruinberg_on_fire-motyak-at_2

weeeeeeeeee

Nice.

 motyak wrote:
Radley-Walters in my AT2. Awesome game.

http://wotreplays.com/site/679120#ruinberg_on_fire-motyak-at_2

weeeeeeeeee

Some dubious driving in that game, I quite liked the suicidal B1