Now this IS exciting. I particularly like the blue one. That plasma cannon looks like it's going to sort of puke up the plasma rather than shoot it. I'm just at the point where I could do with some more hardware for my CSM, too... excited.
Agent_Tremolo wrote: I don't remember the actual wargear option for helbrutes, but that Thousand Sons one seems to be wielding a thunderhammer and ectoplasma cannon.
Is that even allowed? Anything in the pics not in line with the codex options? If so, they may be getting a rules update as well...
I think that's a Plasma Cannon, not an Ectoplasma Cannon. That's a legal Helbrute.
Helbrute Close Combat Options: Thunderhammer, Power Scourge, Power Fist.
I'm more curious if they are going to update anything else. I recall the rumor about a Chaos update (hmm that sounds familiar. I recall a Chaos update in 3rd edition too because they were so bad at the launch...).
WayneTheGame wrote: I'm more curious if they are going to update anything else. I recall the rumor about a Chaos update (hmm that sounds familiar. I recall a Chaos update in 3rd edition too because they were so bad at the launch...).
Rumors of Dark Vengeance only models getting kits and a Veterans of the Long war supplement
I've noticed that the Khornate Helbrute is below the Tzeentchian, but there's another variant that I think doesn't match either of those partially shown below the Nurgle one. Is that the unseen Slaaneshi Helbrute?
Anyone else has the impression that Slaanesh is given the least amount of love from GW and FW? Which is ironic, to be honest...
WayneTheGame wrote: I'm more curious if they are going to update anything else. I recall the rumor about a Chaos update (hmm that sounds familiar. I recall a Chaos update in 3rd edition too because they were so bad at the launch...).
Rumors of Dark Vengeance only models getting kits and a Veterans of the Long war supplement
SarisKhan wrote: I've noticed that the Khornate Helbrute is below the Tzeentchian, but there's another variant that I think doesn't match either of those partially shown below the Nurgle one. Is that the unseen Slaaneshi Helbrute?
Anyone else has the impression that Slaanesh is given the least amount of love from GW and FW? Which is ironic, to be honest...
Well, it could be either the Slaanesh version or an unaligned one. Pics appear to have come out via 4chan, so we'll have to wait for a second source to get access to Visions #2 for more images / confirmation.
Agent_Tremolo wrote: I don't remember the actual wargear option for helbrutes, but that Thousand Sons one seems to be wielding a thunderhammer and ectoplasma cannon.
Is that even allowed? Anything in the pics not in line with the codex options? If so, they may be getting a rules update as well...
I think that's a Plasma Cannon, not an Ectoplasma Cannon. That's a legal Helbrute.
Helbrute Close Combat Options: Thunderhammer, Power Scourge, Power Fist.
AlexHolker wrote: So that's seven different plastic Space Marine Dreadnoughts now?
If you're lumping Chaos in with the normal Space Marines, sure. But that's silly.
But don't forget that there are 12 more CSM Dreadnoughts, if you count the Decimater, at Forge World. There are 14 more Space Marines ones at Forge World if you count the contemptors, also at Forge World.
I'm glad they stuck with the aesthetic of the Dark Vengeance Chaos forces.
I thought the Dark Vengeance models looked incredible but was disappointed by the future Chaos release (i.e. Forgefiend, Helldrake), which I felt looked less like warped flesh-metal creations and more like dino-bots. These new hellbrutes are looking pretty stylish if you ask me!
The new models are cool. I really like the look, though for alpha legion you better just take loyalist dreads. With this rampant demonization and mutations everywhere on the new kits its almost impossible to build a traitorous army that doesnt look like it spent its whole vacations in the eye of terror.
Kosake wrote: The new models are cool. I really like the look, though for alpha legion you better just take loyalist dreads. With this rampant demonization and mutations everywhere on the new kits its almost impossible to build a traitorous army that doesnt look like it spent its whole vacations in the eye of terror.
I have to agree; I always liked the Traitor Legions that didn't have all the crazy mutations; the ones that just looked like archaic/ancient 10,000 year old Space Marines versus "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M A MUTANT RAWR!" which I always thought was more appropriate for the "Big Four" aligned legions.
The worst part is that to get that look, you have to spend twice as much on Forgeworld stuff, which are even crazier priced than the normal GW kits.
Holy bleep! It'shappening. Does this mean those other rumors about a Cultist / Zombie kit, a Chosen kit, and other Chaos-related rumors are actually true?
@WayneTheGame - Well, Helbrutes are specifically very corrupt dreadnoughts, so all the eyes and teeth everywhere kind of fit the new fluff. They aren't as simple as "evil dreadnoughts". So, that helps. Your general point is right though, the trend is towards baroque, spiky, and mutated right now. I think you can get quite a long way kitbashing the plastic vanilla marine and chaos marine kits, though, for that more subtle look. You don't have to go straight to forgeworld.
I still have 3 DV Helbrutes lying around unassembled. I hope it won't be too much work to integrate the spare heads from the new kit. All 4 different for the price of 1!
lord_blackfang wrote: I still have 3 DV Helbrutes lying around unassembled. I hope it won't be too much work to integrate the spare heads from the new kit. All 4 different for the price of 1!
That's a pretty smart way to play this. A spare plastic monopose Helbrute, blinged up from the spares from the new multipart kit, definitely seems like value for money.
So this makes the rumors of 7th more likely as well. Not just a 6th repackage as it appears they are finally getting around to making the kits only available in DV.
Red Corsair wrote: So this makes the rumors of 7th more likely as well. Not just a 6th repackage as it appears they are finally getting around to making the kits only available in DV.
If by 7th edition means a rules patch and a few second wave releases, right. It would make no sense to scrap 6th completely when you've been blitzing out codicies and you still aren't done with the release cycle. I can't wait for the rest of the 2nd wave chaos models, they are going to look awesome.
Red Corsair wrote: So this makes the rumors of 7th more likely as well. Not just a 6th repackage as it appears they are finally getting around to making the kits only available in DV.
If by 7th edition means a rules patch and a few second wave releases, right. It would make no sense to scrap 6th completely when you've been blitzing out codicies and you still aren't done with the release cycle. I can't wait for the rest of the 2nd wave chaos models, they are going to look awesome.
A rules patch is a rewrite when your talking about GW. Also since when does the edition mean a codex is irrelevant. Have you been in the hobby long? I ask because they have not produced an edition with a fully current line of army books in at least 15 years.
Saying "Here's a Helbrute, currently those are only available in DV, that lends weight to the 7th ed rumours" is a biiiiig stretch. Bigbig. But at any rate, that's the place for it.
Saying "Here's a Helbrute, currently those are only available in DV, that lends weight to the 7th ed rumours" is a biiiiig stretch. Bigbig. But at any rate, that's the place for it.
You mean in your opinion. They caught lots of grief having never made deffkopters outside black reach and I would like to think at least SOME feedback reaches them. I also don't see how it's anymore off topic then any other post in here. IMO this confirms mention of making the kits from DV which DOES lend credence to 7th rumors.
Joyboozer wrote: Exactly what about these are god specific? It looks like another generic chaos kit.
The clear, Tzeentch, and Khorne bits? The Nurgle paintjob looks less god specific, but the Tzeentch and Khorne ones are clear.
The red one's got the Crimson Slaughter symbol on its left shoulder, as far as I can make out - not specifically Khornate. The blue one does have the Ouroboros painted on it, so I suppose it's meant to be a Thousand Sons unit. In both cases the symbols have been *painted* on, though - as far as the models are concerned they could be used for any of the Chaos gods...
Saying "Here's a Helbrute, currently those are only available in DV, that lends weight to the 7th ed rumours" is a biiiiig stretch. Bigbig. But at any rate, that's the place for it.
You mean in your opinion. They caught lots of grief having never made deffkopters outside black reach and I would like to think at least SOME feedback reaches them. I also don't see how it's anymore off topic then any other post in here. IMO this confirms mention of making the kits from DV which DOES lend credence to 7th rumors.
Yeah, it's safe to assume unless I explicitly state that what I'm telling you is a fact, or I'm reporting something someone else has said, it's my opinion. That's how words work.
I'm sorry, but I keep seeing "That's just, like, your opinion, man" crop up and it winds me up a treat. Of course it's my bloody opinion. I'm not going to put "IMO" in front of every single post I make and I'm not going to ask you to either, because that would be fething slowed.
And I follow your reasoning - I just disagree, the Helbrute was always going to make it to a standalone kit eventually, since you can't get the metal chaos dread anymore. The fact that that's happened doesn't make the 7th ed rumours any more likely. It's not the same as the deffkoptas. And if they "listen to feedback" then where are your multi-part deffkoptas, eh? As for why it's offtopic, that's self-evident, dude. And it's the most off-topic post in the thread, everyone else is talking about the models. I'm happy to leave it there but please, take a breath, think, etc.
EirÃkr wrote: GW skipping Slaanesh?
Yup, sounds about right.
I think at least part of the problem is the official Emperor's Children scheme, black and shocking pink are not the greatest colours for showcasing new kits. Don't get me wrong I love slaanesh (check the blog), but I feel that it's got to be the worst of the post-heresy schemes.
EirÃkr wrote: GW skipping Slaanesh?
Yup, sounds about right.
I think at least part of the problem is the official Emperor's Children scheme, black and shocking pink are not the greatest colours for showcasing new kits. Don't get me wrong I love slaanesh (check the blog), but I feel that it's got to be the worst of the post-heresy schemes.
yeah it's a scheme I'd not object to seeing retconned
Ignatius-Grulgor wrote: I think at least part of the problem is the official Emperor's Children scheme, black and shocking pink are not the greatest colours for showcasing new kits. Don't get me wrong I love slaanesh (check the blog), but I feel that it's got to be the worst of the post-heresy schemes.
Argh. ARGH.
I'm a manly man, but I'm proud of my black-and-pink (with golden trim) CSM. My friends, who aren't sissies either, genuinely like their appearance too.
Of course, it's opinion vs. opinion, but it just hurts me to read such statements.
On-topic: I wonder whether they included a missile launcher in the kit. From personal experience pushing Helbrutes into CC frequently doesn't end well, so using them as a heavy weapons platform might serve as a viable solution.
EirÃkr wrote: GW skipping Slaanesh?
Yup, sounds about right.
Don't get your nipples twisted.
If he's a Slaanesh player, I'd pretty much expect him to do exactly that.
On, topic, we have yet to see anything god-specific about these.
Sadly, I've only finished my DV hellbrute four weeks ago - it would have been nice to magnetize it for some of the weapon options coming with these...
What I'd like to see would be a revision of the unit size - I do have two Chaos dreads, and if I were to get one of the new ones I'd like to pick them as a 1-3 models unit. Or maybe we'll get some sort of hellbrute formation?
Bomster wrote: The blue one does have the Ouroboros painted on it, so I suppose it's meant to be a Thousand Sons unit. In both cases the symbols have been *painted* on, though - as far as the models are concerned they could be used for any of the Chaos gods...
Hmm.. A Thousand Sons Hellbrute.. shouldn't it be either be a Dustnought or a Sorcerer Dread?
Regarding the Emperor's Children one, I don't think it's impossible to make a decent looking paintjob with pink and black, but considering there's no noise options for the Hellbrute, I think the fourth build might be an undivided model.
Ignatius-Grulgor wrote: I think at least part of the problem is the official Emperor's Children scheme, black and shocking pink are not the greatest colours for showcasing new kits. Don't get me wrong I love slaanesh (check the blog), but I feel that it's got to be the worst of the post-heresy schemes.
Argh. ARGH.
I'm a manly man, but I'm proud of my black-and-pink (with golden trim) CSM. My friends, who aren't sissies either, genuinely like their appearance too.
Of course, it's opinion vs. opinion, but it just hurts me to read such statements.
On-topic: I wonder whether they included a missile launcher in the kit. From personal experience pushing Helbrutes into CC frequently doesn't end well, so using them as a heavy weapons platform might serve as a viable solution.
You're making me feel guilty now! The scheme is ok'ish, but like I say it's really hard to show off a kit with, there are indeed some good examples of it out there (if you look really hard). I think the other problem is on official art it's mostly black armour with a couple of pink shoulderpads and maybe one other bit of pink somewhere, which just so happens to now be exactly the same as the Children of Torment in the black legion, literally the only difference is the symbol on the shoulder, and why on earth would they decide on swapping from 'a riot of colours' to 'mostly black' considering their fluff *grumble*.
Long shall be your suffering. Joyous be your pain. - Asteroth, Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
Medium of Death wrote: So if these are from the upcoming Visions do we think that they are perhaps a counter for Chaos players not getting access to Knights?
This takes away from the idea that GW were so annoyed by the leaks of the Knights that things were going to get pushed back and forward. Visions, for all its uselessness, would still have to be produced quite a while ahead of schedule, and GW aren't about to put miniatures in a catalogue that they don't yet sell, so if they're in Visions (as they appear to be), then they have to come out on time.
Medium of Death wrote: So if these are from the upcoming Visions do we think that they are perhaps a counter for Chaos players not getting access to Knights?
Well, GW probably thinks it's a fair match.
well in fairness you could get 3 of em kitted out for the price of a single knight.
3 with twin linked Lascanons might be able to bust a knight
EirÃkr wrote: GW skipping Slaanesh?
Yup, sounds about right.
Don't get your nipples twisted. GW may have another picture right next to those three for Slaanesh. No way of knowing until we see the issue.
I'd swear there's a picture of a fourth brute under the Nurgle one. We can only see the headpiece and part of the left arm, but it seems different to the other three.
Btw, Two of those are clearly Death Guard and Thousand Sons, but I can't quite make up the emblem on the Khornate one. There's definitely something there, but boesn't look like the World Eaters sigil to me.
Medium of Death wrote: So if these are from the upcoming Visions do we think that they are perhaps a counter for Chaos players not getting access to Knights?
Probably more to do with the Knight only being a single week worth of release, and the Hellbrute (and potentially chosen and cultists) already have rules, so need no further support. They would make easy fill in releases for the other weeks of march.
Agent_Tremolo wrote: I'd swear there's a picture of a fourth brute under the Nurgle one. We can only see the headpiece and part of the left arm, but it seems different to the other three.
Btw, Two of those are clearly Death Guard and Thousand Sons, but I can't quite make up the emblem on the Khornate one. There's definitely something there, but boesn't look like the World Eaters sigil to me.
I'm also curious about the fourth one.
Btw, as somebody has already pointed out, the Khornate Helbrute has the Crimson Slaughter emblem.
Agent_Tremolo wrote: I'd swear there's a picture of a fourth brute under the Nurgle one. We can only see the headpiece and part of the left arm, but it seems different to the other three.
Btw, Two of those are clearly Death Guard and Thousand Sons, but I can't quite make up the emblem on the Khornate one. There's definitely something there, but boesn't look like the World Eaters sigil to me.
I'm also curious about the fourth one.
Btw, as somebody has already pointed out, the Khornate Helbrute has the Crimson Slaughter emblem.
There is clearly at least one more variant. However it looks like Iron Warriors to me. The gun raised in the air (unlike the other three) has hazard stripes.
Agent_Tremolo wrote: I'd swear there's a picture of a fourth brute under the Nurgle one. We can only see the headpiece and part of the left arm, but it seems different to the other three.
Btw, Two of those are clearly Death Guard and Thousand Sons, but I can't quite make up the emblem on the Khornate one. There's definitely something there, but boesn't look like the World Eaters sigil to me.
I'm also curious about the fourth one.
Btw, as somebody has already pointed out, the Khornate Helbrute has the Crimson Slaughter emblem.
O thanks!.
About the fourth unseen miniature, if you look closely you may notice yellow and black danger stripes on what little is visible of its left arm. It is most likely an Iron Warriors helbrute, then, though back in 2nd ed. the 'eavy metal team also used yellow and black patterns on noise marines. Who knows...
EirÃkr wrote: GW skipping Slaanesh?
Yup, sounds about right.
Don't get your nipples twisted.
When Slaanesh is involved, that's kinda the point.
Where's that "THAT'S THE JOKE" image when you need it, lol...
Anyway, it looks okay I guess. Not so sure I like the organic legs and arms, the hammer in particular looked pretty goofy to me. The plasma cannon is pretty cool-looking. I'm interested in seeing the back of it, since the back of the DV 'brute isn't too impressive and I hope that isn't repeated here. Shame the rules are so bad though, and the kit will probably be $50 to boot, so I don't see it being a big hit.
Guys, they're just paint jobs. There's no specific "Tzeentch", "Khorne" and whatever Helbrute. They're not 'skipping' anything. They're just example paint jobs. No need to read into it any more than necessary.
I mean, when the original Helbrute came out we got two examples of that - Crimson Slaughter and Alpha Legion. No one here thought "Oh noes! They skipped my Iron Warriors!!!" now did they?
I'm not really sure where all this hate for Helbrute rules is coming from.Because whenever my brother fields his it has a tendency to cause a fair bit of havoc. Particularly with a Melta and power fist. I shot up his brute with a few things and the next turn it's rampaging toward my guys mashing them to pulp.
I wonder if the kit will be like the current Marine Dread kit, in that each weapon arm is separate allowing for easy swaps, or if there will be two arms - one right, one left - and the weapons are all the separate parts, making things far more difficult.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I wonder if the kit will be like the current Marine Dread kit, in that each weapon arm is separate allowing for easy swaps, or if there will be two arms - one right, one left - and the weapons are all the separate parts, making things far more difficult.
Looks to me like there's a fair bit of difference in the arms but I bet the shoulder join will be a lot trickier to hot swap than the SM version, look at all the hoses connecting the arm muscles to the torso.
Joyboozer wrote: Exactly what about these are god specific? It looks like another generic chaos kit.
The clear, Tzeentch, and Khorne bits? The Nurgle paintjob looks less god specific, but the Tzeentch and Khorne ones are clear.
Not sure about the Tzeench bits, but the horns on the Khornate one are very much old school Khorne horns. The Nurgle collar has holes it it like its rotted.
At least they are not barefoot any more, although I like the bare foot for Nurgle Brutes. Might be cool to swap on foot from old to new and vice versa.
Well, if you just have the printed version of some pre-release issue and can only make a snapshot with your handy cam before the boss comes in or whatever...?
Oh, and one thing that buggs me:
Ruleswise you can either add a flamer or a TL Bolter, just like the regular dreads i believe. I fail to see any additional weaponry on the pictures and trying to glue something on will probably look quite gakky on these shiny new kits.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Guys, they're just paint jobs. There's no specific "Tzeentch", "Khorne" and whatever Helbrute. They're not 'skipping' anything. They're just example paint jobs. No need to read into it any more than necessary.
I mean, when the original Helbrute came out we got two examples of that - Crimson Slaughter and Alpha Legion. No one here thought "Oh noes! They skipped my Iron Warriors!!!" now did they?
GW wouldn't leak their own pictures (especially when they complain about leaked pictures giving a false impression of the model, however true or false such a statement may be). Any conspiracy theories to the contrary are just that: Conspiracy theories, and should be given as much time of day as most other conspiracy theories.
About the those god specific Helbrutes, hasn't occured to anyone except me but put a bloody god specific icon from the normal Chaos Space Marine Command Sprue, easy peasy, then you have Chaos to Glory, Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh and Tzeentch.
Also you can use the god specific heads from the Chaos Spawn kit. It's called conversion folks!
I don't think there are any God-specific parts. They painted a Helbrute blue and put a Thousand Sons transfer on it. That does not mean the kit has specific Thousand Sons/Tzeentch bits!
H.B.M.C. wrote: I don't think there are any God-specific parts. They painted a Helbrute blue and put a Thousand Sons transfer on it. That does not mean the kit has specific Thousand Sons/Tzeentch bits!
Well, the red one has a very Khorny face and front, while the green one has a very rotting Nurgly feel to it. Sure, the eye and mask of the blue one isn't trademarked Tzeentch, it sure fits his style pretty good...
They're just options. Look at the Venerable Dread. The damned thing has multiple options for its hull-plates and the face stickin' out of the centre. This is no different.
Because Khorne went from God of honorable combat and technology to "Rawr! Blood and skulls! Arglebargle!", therefore CC-only is apparently how he works these days.
It was in the old dwarf series back in the day if I recall correctly. One of the reasons they don't have Havoc's.or squad heavy weapons. they get in the way of chopping heads.
sonofruss wrote: It was in the old dwarf series back in the day if I recall correctly. One of the reasons they don't have Havoc's.or squad heavy weapons. they get in the way of chopping heads.
Except those restrictions don't exist any more.
Khorne uses ranged weapons. Khorne has always used ranged weapons.
sonofruss wrote: It was in the old dwarf series back in the day if I recall correctly. One of the reasons they don't have Havoc's.or squad heavy weapons. they get in the way of chopping heads.
Except those restrictions don't exist any more.
Khorne uses ranged weapons. Khorne has always used ranged weapons.
Quoted for truth - I've been playing chaos since Rogue Trader, and lost and the damned/slaves to darkness even mentioned Khorne Havocs as being called "teeth of Khorne".
What I find almost comically funny is that nearly 12 years ago they did the same thing in 3rd edition. White Dwarf #273, October 2002, when the "3.5" edition Chaos Codex was released, has an article with Andy Chambers and Pete Haines talking about how the original 3rd edition Chaos codex was pretty lackluster (Raptors and Obliterators were both pretty terrible), and Chaos Veterans (now Chosen, I guess?) didn't have enough and needed to have additional options buyable... and the rumors say they're going to allow Chaos Marines to buy extra options.
I can think of no more appropriate quote than: Those who fail to remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
H.B.M.C. wrote: They're just options. Look at the Venerable Dread. The damned thing has multiple options for its hull-plates and the face stickin' out of the centre. This is no different.
Well, ovbiously they are just options, it's not like they are getting any rules or anything. It's just that their different imagery are a bit partial towards the different gods, not limited to them...
Looking great. I won't buy one, but i will buy a rules update if they have one that would convert my existing force of crappy dreads into something useful.
Agree with earlier posts that a 5+ invuln, demon rules, and maybe AV 13 front armor would make them worthwhile, that or a few more attacks in melee.
As awesome as they look I can't help but not really care. Their rules are so crappy that they would be such a waste of money. However, I would also be rightfully pissed if they did what they did to screamers and flamers at the beginning of 6th: "Make them extremely OP for 3 months; just enough time for everybody to buy them and paint them up until an update comes."
Looks like a nice enough kit, will probably grab one
Not much of a player really, anyone care to elaborate as to why a hellbrute is so bad? I mean there fairly comparible to the Dreadnought entry in my Codex Darkangels... looks like a10 poiont difference; 5 point more for chaos one, AND DA one has storm bolter as standard while chaos have to buy the TL boltgun for more points.
sooo.. there 10 points in it... CSM one is crazed, is that worth 5 points more? (or is that what makes it crap?) - 10 points isnt even going to net the DA another man (in any squad) .. or even a lascannon or a missile launcher.
H.B.M.C. wrote: AV12 walkers don't exactly have much staying power (especially ones that occasionally go nuts), and you can better spend the points elsewhere.
ahh I see, by that logic all dreads are terrible then. As I say Im not much of a player, so meh! perhaps GW ought to just fix dreadnoughts in general then rather than just hellbrutes
Dangit, I just converted three DV brutes. I love these kits and hope they give this treatment to the chosen. However, the brutes really need some legion/god specific rules.
Not much of a player really, anyone care to elaborate as to why a hellbrute is so bad? I mean there fairly comparible to the Dreadnought entry in my Codex Darkangels... looks like a10 poiont difference; 5 point more for chaos one, AND DA one has storm bolter as standard while chaos have to buy the TL boltgun for more points.
sooo.. there 10 points in it... CSM one is crazed, is that worth 5 points more? (or is that what makes it crap?) - 10 points isnt even going to net the DA another man (in any squad) .. or even a lascannon or a missile launcher.
Dreads are horribly thought out. They want to be a heavy weapons platform and a brawler at the same time, but both roles seldom blend. Add their low armor values and their sluggish pace to the mix and you have a recipe for disaster.
At least loyalists can take Multimelta/powerfist dreads and put them on drop pods, which makes semi-efficient use of their weapons combo while at the same time ensures that they get where they're needed. Or rifleman dreads with two twin-linked autocannons for cheapish dakka platforms, for Space Marine standards, that is.
At least loyalists can take Multimelta/powerfist dreads and put them on drop pods, which makes semi-efficient use of their weapons combo while at the same time ensures that they get where they're needed. Or rifleman dreads with two twin-linked autocannons for cheapish dakka platforms, for Space Marine standards, that is.
We can do that too, but we don't come in Turn 1 with the Claw...
Dreadnoughts are the red-headed stepchild of this edition.
I'd be hard pressed to think of a category of units which are so consistently bad.
Some walkers aren't terrible; Contemptors are pretty good with AV13 and an invuln, along with good weapon options, but points heavy. Soulgrinders and Ironclads have AV13 as well; that extra armour goes a long way when St 7 is the new black. I've seen defilers do well with their invuln, 4 HP and panopoly of weaponry, not amazing, but they don't seem to do terribly.
But the moment you put an AV12 dreadnought with a short range heavy weapon and two attacks on the table, it will die. They can't even tarpit light units, as if they don't have some kind of St6 attack, they just run away, and if they have St6, they'll kill the dreadnought. Only use I've seen for a normal loyalist or Chaos dread is to tie up Tyranid swarms, due to being fearless they can actually tarpit them with some success, punching one or two bugs really hard a turn.
Contemptors present a pretty balanced dread without breaking the fluff, but I don't think there's an easy fix for normal dreadnoughts. Poor armour, poor weaponry, few attacks, and all for the low, low price of, minimum, 100+ points. The power creep has left them in the dust, and I don't see them having a good showing until there's a serious re-write of 40k.
MajorStoffer wrote: Dreadnoughts are the red-headed stepchild of this edition.
I'd be hard pressed to think of a category of units which are so consistently bad.
Some walkers aren't terrible; Contemptors are pretty good with AV13 and an invuln, along with good weapon options, but points heavy. Soulgrinders and Ironclads have AV13 as well; that extra armour goes a long way when St 7 is the new black. I've seen defilers do well with their invuln, 4 HP and panopoly of weaponry, not amazing, but they don't seem to do terribly.
But the moment you put an AV12 dreadnought with a short range heavy weapon and two attacks on the table, it will die. They can't even tarpit light units, as if they don't have some kind of St6 attack, they just run away, and if they have St6, they'll kill the dreadnought. Only use I've seen for a normal loyalist or Chaos dread is to tie up Tyranid swarms, due to being fearless they can actually tarpit them with some success, punching one or two bugs really hard a turn.
Contemptors present a pretty balanced dread without breaking the fluff, but I don't think there's an easy fix for normal dreadnoughts. Poor armour, poor weaponry, few attacks, and all for the low, low price of, minimum, 100+ points. The power creep has left them in the dust, and I don't see them having a good showing until there's a serious re-write of 40k.
The easy solution is just to make them cheaper: 80, maybe even as low as 70 points barebones. But even then, the main problem is that the elite slot has far better units than them. A MotF helps, but most of the units on the HS slot are also far better than dreads. It would help if you could take like 2-3 per elites slot,
Again, not seeing why Dreads are being picked on. My DA (not DW) dreadnought(kitted out with Plasma and power fist) faced down a charging Maulerfiend in CC on his own. I was expecting that confrontation to go down very badly for me lol.
Ah, so there's the Missile Launcher option. And the 4th Helbrute doesn't seem to come from any recognisable Legion... perhaps some minor Warband.
I definitely could see trying a long-range Helbrute with a TL Autocannon/Lascannon + Missile Launcher in my games. My "local meta" involves very, very few weapons with a range longer than 24" on the opponents' side, so the poor survivability wouldn't be much of a problem. Add some cover and the Helbrute might not be that bad after all.
As with the dark vengeance kits, most definitely loving these kits as a return to the warped and eldritch chaos of old, rather than the spikey mustache-twirlers of more recent years. I just hope they do the same with the basic troop marines and bring the whole chaos line into this style.
MWHistorian wrote: I don't see Iron Warriors using a mutated Dred. I'd just convert a loyalist one.
But these kits do look sweet. If I was a stinking traitorous heretic then I'd get a few.
Hmm.. I was actually thinking that IW might have WarpSmiths and all these mutated engines going on. In general, I prefer my Traitors clean, but was thinking I might start another army just for modelling all kinds of crazy warp-fuelled creations.
SarisKhan wrote: Ah, so there's the Missile Launcher option. And the 4th Helbrute doesn't seem to come from any recognisable Legion... perhaps some minor Warband.
You don't recognise the Ultramarines colour scheme?
Ive had some good times with Helbrutes on the rare occurrence I field one (or two). Theyre cheap for the points, they usually don't get stunned thanks to CRAZED and they must be dealt with. Str 10 is nice to have, and at worst it provides an extra gun.
Now truthfully, I haven't fielded one in over a year, buuuut still. Ive always wanted to have a Chaos Mecha Monster Mash of Brutes, Forgefiends and Heldrakes. It might be more viable now.
Iron Warriors think of mutation as weekness. That's why they replace any mutated part of themselves with cybernetics. I doubt they'd be ok with that on their machines.
Most armies in my meta play marines or some such. Getting just torn in a round of melee with some marines bearing Krack grenades makes melee unfun. dreads SHOULD really kick butt in melee but they go down like wet paper sacks.
Since legion specific models are on the horizon, i wonder what the special rules might be.
Tzneech 6++, soulfire
Khorne +1 attack, counterattack
Nurgle +1hp, Slow and purposeful, shrouded
Slaneesh +1 init, + d3 run move
H.B.M.C. wrote: That sounds far too useful. They'll be +20 point upgrades (except the Nurgle one, that'll be +30), and they'll be:
Tzeentch - Flamer attacks gain Soul Blaze.
Khorne - Furious Charge
Nurgle - Assault Grenades, Slow and Purposeful
Slaanesh - Fear
I hate to say it but that's actually not far from what usually happens, I'm still surprised they felt the Decimator needed a points increase in the new apoc book.
Medium of Death wrote: Don't understand how the Helbrute pictures have been snapped and nothing else.
Makes me rage a little.
If these are in the upcoming visions, will these appear on the GW website tonight or expected next weekend?
Since there are new releases every week, these might just be the only ones this week.
Musashi363 wrote: Iron Warriors think of mutation as weekness. That's why they replace any mutated part of themselves with cybernetics. I doubt they'd be ok with that on their machines.
Good thing Forgeworld has Iron Warriors covered with a badass resin dreadnought!
The sculpted thighs on these guys are killing me. They look like angry members of the village people. I can see it now:
The Hellbrute boys, stage band by day, Battlefield craters by night
Maybe they can form one overly muscled, rainbow colored Knight?
I can dream.
Aside from the skin(?) I like them, just a shame I'd need to plastic card a model that will last 8 seconds outside my case
EDIT: Also I think for those complaining of a lack of slaanesh I'd argue the contrary. They ALL appear to have been touched by Mr. Kanesh....er...Slaanesh
SarisKhan wrote: Ah, so there's the Missile Launcher option. And the 4th Helbrute doesn't seem to come from any recognisable Legion... perhaps some minor Warband.
You don't recognise the Ultramarines colour scheme?
The kit looks to include three different "outer maws", at least 4 heads, all left arm weapons, and at least the Lascannon, Plasma Cannon, Autocannon, and Power Fist for the right arm. That leaves the Heavy Bolter and the Multi-melta, although I imagine they're included, especially if the rumors of a new starter kit are true. Sounds good. None of the options look god-specific, but I'll take the full assortment of weapons over those.
Fingers crossed for Chosen, Cultists, and Lord kits in March!
Slayer le boucher wrote: Cut them, glue them under the hip section, paitn the crotch armor plate has a Kilt and call Him" Ballsy McBrut, the Dangling Scotsman"...
When kids asks " Whats under the Kilt?", you answer" Your Mom lipstick", never fails...
Slayer le boucher wrote: Cut them, glue them under the hip section, paitn the crotch armor plate has a Kilt and call Him" Ballsy McBrut, the Dangling Scotsman"...
When kids asks " Whats under the Kilt?", you answer" Your Mom lipstick", never fails...
A guy I know (who has no sense of humour) gave his Dreadnoughts kilts and attached the heavy flamers between their legs.
So with a rather large amount of buyers regret it's definitely not in the March warhammer visions, which could only mean this is a leak from April's issue, which is rather the impressive lead time on a leak.
Parting shot of April's issue is a chaos warhound titan which suggests the same.
Well it could be a release for later weeks. Remember, they're releasing stuff weekly now. Or ought to, otherwise what's the point of a weekly sales brochure... err, White Dwarf?
Really liking the look of these but I don't like the rules, how big is a hellbrute compared to a decimator? Wondering if I can use the decimators rules for them instead.
Ignatius-Grulgor wrote: So with a rather large amount of buyers regret it's definitely not in the March warhammer visions
Thanks for taking one for the team.
It sure feels like that, at least it was from the FLGS, the poor guy has piles of the new Dwarf and WH:V no ones buying them so he's stopping even getting them in, can't blame him. Had a flick through it with him so he could see why no one was buying as he'd not even opened one for himself.
Looky Likey wrote:Really liking the look of these but I don't like the rules, how big is a hellbrute compared to a decimator? Wondering if I can use the decimators rules for them instead.
I wouldn't recommend it really, the basecost is over double that of a helbrute, and the size difference as you can see from a quick jog downstairs is rather large.
Looky Likey wrote:Really liking the look of these but I don't like the rules, how big is a hellbrute compared to a decimator? Wondering if I can use the decimators rules for them instead.
I wouldn't recommend it really, the basecost is over double that of a helbrute, and the size difference as you can see from a quick jog downstairs is rather large.
Dang, may be I'll just get the one hellbrute then. Thanks for taking the picture though!
bubber wrote: They have the same hull points don't they? Got a cat on my lap so can't get to my books!
Automatically Appended Next Post: Still wouldn't sub one for the though (that's just me though).
They have 3HP, but AV13, which makes the difference, also a Daemon save, and can get up on a 6 if wrecked on each turn, not to mention you can kit it better for melee or ranged fighting far better then the helbrute, and mark it as well.
azreal13 wrote: Well, if they're constructed in any way like loyalist dreads, you'll barely even need magnets, as they've got massive pegs to fix the arms to.
That would imply that GW would be helping usand being kind, now how often does that happen Hopefully they do though, would be a massive help
azreal13 wrote: Well, if they're constructed in any way like loyalist dreads, you'll barely even need magnets, as they've got massive pegs to fix the arms to.
That would imply that GW would be helping usand being kind, now how often does that happen Hopefully they do though, would be a massive help
Do we have any further info on this release, or any possible companion releases for CSM? I know many people like myself would LOVE to see Chosen with the DV aesthetic get a multi-part plastic kit treatment. And/or regular CSM troops, if done in a similar aesthetic (though maybe not quite as fancy as the Chosen).
So are those a lot of things we already have (Raptors, Rhino, etc.) but for a new and improved (and higher) price? Lessee... the CSM squad is 50p more, so I'm guessing it's a box of 5 now rather than 10. The Rhino is 1 quid more. Raptors are 50p more. Bikes are the same. Land Raider up by 1. Forge Fiend up 1. And no sign of plastic Oblits/Mutilators.
Opportunity missed. Again.
Also, I really do wish GW would take this opportunity to give us back some Legion rules...
So...instead of Legion rules, for which their customer base ahs been clamoring for three editions and have made it clear would be a license to print money, they make a codex for a relatively brand new renegade warband nobody has heard of outside of small blurb in the latest codex, that nobody really cares about.
How do they mismanage something like that?
Please don't bypass the language filter like this.
Reds8n
Vaktathi wrote: So...instead of Legion rules, for which their customer base ahs been clamoring for three editions and have made it clear would be a license to print money, they make a codex for a relatively brand new renegade warband nobody has heard of outside of small blurb in the latest codex, that nobody really cares about.
How do they mismanage something like that?
Sometimes it's hard not to think they're actively trying to spite the veterans, isn't it?
Vaktathi wrote: So...instead of Legion rules, for which their customer base ahs been clamoring for three editions and have made it clear would be a license to print money, they make a codex for a relatively brand new renegade warband nobody has heard of outside of small blurb in the latest codex, that nobody really cares about.
How do they mismanage something like that?
Sometimes it's hard not to think they're actively trying to spite the veterans, isn't it?
That would include people thinking they've stopped. They've been spiting them since 4th edition, why stop now?
Vaktathi wrote: So...instead of Legion rules, for which their customer base ahs been clamoring for three editions and have made it clear would be a license to print money, they make a codex for a relatively brand new renegade warband nobody has heard of outside of small blurb in the latest codex, that nobody really cares about.
How do they mismanage something like that?
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I suspect that they feel that Forgeworld's efforts on that front are sufficient. If you want to field a "legion", you use the 30k rules (and buy a second expensive book). If you want to field a modern era grouping of marines with all that entails, you use the chaos codex. In the past, I'd have agreed with you and thought that the removal of legion rules was a bad idea but the current method is acceptable (but admittedly worse and definitely more expensive).
Vaktathi wrote: So...instead of Legion rules, for which their customer base ahs been clamoring for three editions and have made it clear would be a license to print money, they make a codex for a relatively brand new renegade warband nobody has heard of outside of small blurb in the latest codex, that nobody really cares about.
How do they mismanage something like that?
l
I suspect that they feel that Forgeworld's efforts on that front are sufficient. If you want to field a "legion", you use the 30k rules (and buy a second expensive book). If you want to field a modern era grouping of marines with all that entails, you use the chaos codex. In the past, I'd have agreed with you and thought that the removal of legion rules was a bad idea but the current method is acceptable (but admittedly worse and definitely more expensive).
The problem is that the 30k stuff is just that, 30k (and missing the post-heresy Chaos-eyness), and, as FW has noted, not directly intended to be played against or playtested with normal 40k armies.
kronk wrote: I'd love to have a plastic kit that resembled the Chosen from the DV starter set.
This Helbrute looks nice and all, but I only need the one from the starter set.
Ah, well.
Join the rather large club, brother! Tons of folks would buy a Chosen multi-part plastic kit done in the Dark Vengeance style.
And so, it is a near-certainty that GW will not produce such a kit. Or at least not until years and years after the clamor for such a kit has totally died out.
I actually plan on getting one of the new helbrute kits somewhere along the line. I know dreads are terrible, and they aren't worth fielding, but I still love the look. And it looks like it'd be a ton of fun to model and paint, which will always be my biggest motivating factor into picking something up.
I also think it'd be a lot of fun to field 3 helbrutes and 3 mauler/forgefiends with a Warpsmith leading them. Doubt it'd be terribly effective against top tier lists, but then again that's why those lists are top tier.
kronk wrote: I'd love to have a plastic kit that resembled the Chosen from the DV starter set.
This Helbrute looks nice and all, but I only need the one from the starter set.
Ah, well.
Join the rather large club, brother! Tons of folks would buy a Chosen multi-part plastic kit done in the Dark Vengeance style.
And so, it is a near-certainty that GW will not produce such a kit. Or at least not until years and years after the clamor for such a kit has totally died out.
-C6
There was a rumour circulating that a Chosen set was going to be released prior to any IG. It may have slipped under the radar due to all the Knight shininess going on but who knows where it could be hiding within the weekly release cycle.
So, a new kit is coming out that some people are happy about. The new chosen kit seems like it'll be a week or two later. A new book is coming that might be nothing, or might solve all the competitive/balance issues that people have been complaining about since Winter 2012...nobody knows!
But, yeah, all the hysteria and hate in this thread seems wise and we'll placed. Good take, guys.
Vaktathi wrote: So...instead of Legion rules, for which their customer base ahs been clamoring for three editions and have made it clear would be a license to print money, they make a codex for a relatively brand new renegade warband nobody has heard of outside of small blurb in the latest codex, that nobody really cares about.
How do they mismanage something like that?
l
I suspect that they feel that Forgeworld's efforts on that front are sufficient. If you want to field a "legion", you use the 30k rules (and buy a second expensive book). If you want to field a modern era grouping of marines with all that entails, you use the chaos codex. In the past, I'd have agreed with you and thought that the removal of legion rules was a bad idea but the current method is acceptable (but admittedly worse and definitely more expensive).
The problem is that the 30k stuff is just that, 30k (and missing the post-heresy Chaos-eyness), and, as FW has noted, not directly intended to be played against or playtested with normal 40k armies.
While you're absolutely correct, it could be that GW is concerned that they'd then be competing with themselves on things like World Eaters, Death Guard or Iron Warriors...
A codex crimson slaughter? Really? Instead of Providing for one of the established legions and warbands who have a lot of players out there they promote some unknown, generic khornate warband. With a codex. Not a dataslate, not a supplement but a codex, puting them on the same level as say okrs or space marines. I think I need larger strategic reserves of popcorn to enjoy ALL the rage this will cause.
Kosake wrote: A codex crimson slaughter? Really? Instead of Providing for one of the established legions and warbands who have a lot of players out there they promote some unknown, generic khornate warband. With a codex. Not a dataslate, not a supplement but a codex, puting them on the same level as say okrs or space marines. I think I need larger strategic reserves of popcorn to enjoy ALL the rage this will cause.
Kosake wrote: A codex crimson slaughter? Really? Instead of Providing for one of the established legions and warbands who have a lot of players out there they promote some unknown, generic khornate warband. With a codex. Not a dataslate, not a supplement but a codex, puting them on the same level as say okrs or space marines. I think I need larger strategic reserves of popcorn to enjoy ALL the rage this will cause.
Yeah, because all Space Marines have one Codex...
So do the Metamarines have a codex? Or is it founding chapters.
Kosake wrote: A codex crimson slaughter? Really? Instead of Providing for one of the established legions and warbands who have a lot of players out there they promote some unknown, generic khornate warband. With a codex. Not a dataslate, not a supplement but a codex, puting them on the same level as say okrs or space marines. I think I need larger strategic reserves of popcorn to enjoy ALL the rage this will cause.
Yeah, because all Space Marines have one Codex...
Except for the GK who are really different from all other marines, only first-founding chapters/legions have their own codex iirc. Anyways, what's so damn special about crimson slaughter?
kronk wrote: I'd love to have a plastic kit that resembled the Chosen from the DV starter set.
This Helbrute looks nice and all, but I only need the one from the starter set.
Ah, well.
Join the rather large club, brother! Tons of folks would buy a Chosen multi-part plastic kit done in the Dark Vengeance style.
And so, it is a near-certainty that GW will not produce such a kit. Or at least not until years and years after the clamor for such a kit has totally died out.
-C6
I think I just talked myself into using the Sons of Horus Reaver Attack Squads for my 2 units of chosen.
Is that the only change to the force org chart there is? Never thought Black Legion would surrender it's crown as "least amount of rules per suplement".
They are great models, fun to use, and come with a decent amount of weapon options for not a bad pt cost.
Plus the army of helbrutes, mauler/forge fiends and a warpsmith appeals to me.
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SRSFACE wrote: I actually plan on getting one of the new helbrute kits somewhere along the line. I know dreads are terrible, and they aren't worth fielding, but I still love the look. And it looks like it'd be a ton of fun to model and paint, which will always be my biggest motivating factor into picking something up.
I also think it'd be a lot of fun to field 3 helbrutes and 3 mauler/forgefiends with a Warpsmith leading them. Doubt it'd be terribly effective against top tier lists, but then again that's why those lists are top tier.
Yes that would be a fun list to play.
Throw in some cultists/csm to satisfy the basic troop requirements (or maybe noise marines if you take a slaaneshi lord as they kind of continue the techy theme) and perhaps some bikes or heldrakes and you have a list!
In fact, I think I might try and write a list like this when I next have a look at my csm codex.
A codex for a warband nobody cares about tha allows you to use a crappy unit as troops? If that is true, it might be GW worst idea ever. What next, another codex that allows warptalons or mutilators as troops?
SRSFACE wrote: I actually plan on getting one of the new helbrute kits somewhere along the line. I know dreads are terrible, and they aren't worth fielding, but I still love the look. And it looks like it'd be a ton of fun to model and paint, which will always be my biggest motivating factor into picking something up.
I also think it'd be a lot of fun to field 3 helbrutes and 3 mauler/forgefiends with a Warpsmith leading them. Doubt it'd be terribly effective against top tier lists, but then again that's why those lists are top tier.
If you can't beat a top tier list anyways might as well have a fun list
Musashi363 wrote: A codex for a warband nobody cares about tha allows you to use a crappy unit as troops? If that is true, it might be GW worst idea ever. What next, another codex that allows warptalons or mutilators as troops?
Codex IG with a typo so that there are no scoring units in the RAW. None at all.
kronk wrote: I'd love to have a plastic kit that resembled the Chosen from the DV starter set.
This Helbrute looks nice and all, but I only need the one from the starter set.
Ah, well.
Join the rather large club, brother! Tons of folks would buy a Chosen multi-part plastic kit done in the Dark Vengeance style.
And so, it is a near-certainty that GW will not produce such a kit. Or at least not until years and years after the clamor for such a kit has totally died out.
-C6
I think I just talked myself into using the Sons of Horus Reaver Attack Squads for my 2 units of chosen.
That must have been a fun conversation. Why aren't we ever there for the fun bits?
I can't see a single one of the brute pictures in this thread for some reason (broken links on P6 in both my browsers). Could someone, like, put them on imgur or something? I'd really appreciate it.
A Kvlt Ghost wrote: I can't see a single one of the brute pictures in this thread for some reason (broken links on P6 in both my browsers). Could someone, like, put them on imgur or something? I'd really appreciate it.
So for those of you not content with the head options in the kit, the WDW says you can use any CSM heads with the dreadnought sarcophagus (though it is a limited only by large horns/topknots). A rather nice touch I thought.
I also think it'd be a lot of fun to field 3 helbrutes and 3 mauler/forgefiends with a Warpsmith leading them. Doubt it'd be terribly effective against top tier lists, but then again that's why those lists are top tier.
Honestly giving advice here: If you want to field it for the look of the army, then go for it otherwise save you cash up for different things, because as someone who has repeatedly tried a list like this, they struggle even against casual lists, never mind top tiers.
Trust a guy who's taken one for the team and tried it
Heads up apparently there's a Helbrute Dataslate coming to BL soon. I wonder if we're going to get the Tyranid treatment where they charge for updated rules that make the thing viable, but you have to have a tablet to use it....
I'll take a chance and say that the Hellbrute is probably the most shunned unit this edition. And they update it. Not chosen. Not the terminators. The hellbrute. Well I must say the model is really cool.
Well they want to try and boost sales of the new Helbrute kit, so make a dataslate to make some money and hopefully spark enough interest in the kit to make even more money!
l0k1 wrote: Well they want to try and boost sales of the new Helbrute kit, so make a dataslate to make some money and hopefully spark enough interest in the kit to make even more money!
This could be a troubling trend. It gives GW the excuse to (continue to) not give a rat's tuchas about quality of rules, and then, when they want to sell a new kit, just update their rules with a dataslate. They get people to buy the new kit, to pay for the dataslate, and we get... I don't know, a more "cinematic" experience (of certain units becoming viable in-game, at a literal price)
l0k1 wrote: Well they want to try and boost sales of the new Helbrute kit, so make a dataslate to make some money and hopefully spark enough interest in the kit to make even more money!
This could be a troubling trend. It gives GW the excuse to (continue to) not give a rat's tuchas about quality of rules, and then, when they want to sell a new kit, just update their rules with a dataslate. They get people to buy the new kit, to pay for the dataslate, and we get... I don't know, a more "cinematic" experience (of certain units becoming viable in-game, at a literal price)
-C6
What would be even more troubling is if they began to pay attention to the tournament scene and nerf units via dataslates.
"Gentleman, we made a pretty good profit off of Riptides, now we'll release a dataslate that nerfs them to the point of being useless."
"But sir, what about all those players that own 3-5 Riptides already, plus couldn't we just change it in the erratas?"
"Who cares? Nerf it and add a crappy apocalypse forrmation for the Riptides so they still seem desirable. What doesn't sell very well? We'll release a dataslate for it to make it OP. That way all those players have to buy more models and pay for more dataslates!"
*deafening cheers and clapping ensue in the board room*
l0k1 wrote: Well they want to try and boost sales of the new Helbrute kit, so make a dataslate to make some money and hopefully spark enough interest in the kit to make even more money!
This could be a troubling trend. It gives GW the excuse to (continue to) not give a rat's tuchas about quality of rules, and then, when they want to sell a new kit, just update their rules with a dataslate. They get people to buy the new kit, to pay for the dataslate, and we get... I don't know, a more "cinematic" experience (of certain units becoming viable in-game, at a literal price)
-C6
What would be even more troubling is if they began to pay attention to the tournament scene and nerf units via dataslates.
"Gentleman, we made a pretty good profit off of Riptides, now we'll release a dataslate that nerfs them to the point of being useless."
"But sir, what about all those players that own 3-5 Riptides already, plus couldn't we just change it in the erratas?"
"Who cares? Nerf it and add a crappy apocalypse forrmation for the Riptides so they still seem desirable. What doesn't sell very well? We'll release a dataslate for it to make it OP. That way all those players have to buy more models and pay for more dataslates!"
*deafening cheers and clapping ensue in the board room*
Oh god we're the idea room. They just pop into DakkaDakka for their next crazy scheme. It all makes sense...
So potentially they are improving a unit that was otherwise not used by chaos forces and releasing a nice new kit to boot. You fellers can carryon pissing an moaning if you like but there is some good news here.;
notprop wrote: So potentially they are improving a unit that was otherwise not used by chaos forces and releasing a nice new kit to boot. You fellers can carryon pissing an moaning if you like but there is some good news here.;
Well, we haven't seen the Dataslate yet, so I will wait before I start rejoicing.
The Crimson Slaughter is a damn nice supplement though, if the rules posted are accurate! I'd used Possesed!
kronk wrote: I'd love to have a plastic kit that resembled the Chosen from the DV starter set.
This Helbrute looks nice and all, but I only need the one from the starter set.
Ah, well.
Join the rather large club, brother! Tons of folks would buy a Chosen multi-part plastic kit done in the Dark Vengeance style.
And so, it is a near-certainty that GW will not produce such a kit. Or at least not until years and years after the clamor for such a kit has totally died out.
-C6
I think I just talked myself into using the Sons of Horus Reaver Attack Squads for my 2 units of chosen.
That must have been a fun conversation. Why aren't we ever there for the fun bits?
3 of the 4 voices in my head don't like you!
The other one thinks you're funny...
I'm passing on the Codex: Crimson Laughter, though. The new Helbrutes are pretty, but I've got too much on my plate for now.
Well, who said that the dataslate will include any rules or changes? Maybe it's just one of those fluff-only Slates? 10 pages of stories with some artwork and that's it?
Kosake wrote: Well, who said that the dataslate will include any rules or changes? Maybe it's just one of those fluff-only Slates? 10 pages of stories with some artwork and that's it?
I don't think anyone has said definitively what's in it. Just speculation at the moment.
Its a two edged sword. Reacting in response to unused models with updated rules is a pretty good thing, but not for that price and in such a Dataslate-formate. It wouldnt have hurt if they simply implemented the rules in the Crimson Slaughter supplement. What do people without tablet?...
Maguma Danos wrote: Its a two edged sword. Reacting in response to unused models with updated rules is a pretty good thing, but not for that price and in such a Dataslate-formate. It wouldnt have hurt if they simply implemented the rules in the Crimson Slaughter supplement. What do people without tablet?...
But still cant wait for Warp Talons!
You can read Mobis on a computer. We still don't know if they changed the rules either.
All that we do know is there are formations for them.
Well, the Chariot Flamer Thing got basically playable so it wouldnt be too far away to expect some "meta"-rules. besides giving him marks (no love for other csm-toys then...) they could just change the chart or allow it to buy some more rules linke tank hunter.
I mean, running around with printed out copies of a dataslate seems rather bold, but i should simply ask the next time in the shop so no big issue.
Ow... I didn't mean to... So
