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Vaktathi wrote: So...instead of Legion rules, for which their customer base ahs been clamoring for three editions and have made it clear would be a license to print money, they make a codex for a relatively brand new renegade warband nobody has heard of outside of small blurb in the latest codex, that nobody really cares about.
How do they mismanage something like that?
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I suspect that they feel that Forgeworld's efforts on that front are sufficient. If you want to field a "legion", you use the 30k rules (and buy a second expensive book). If you want to field a modern era grouping of marines with all that entails, you use the chaos codex. In the past, I'd have agreed with you and thought that the removal of legion rules was a bad idea but the current method is acceptable (but admittedly worse and definitely more expensive).
Vaktathi wrote: So...instead of Legion rules, for which their customer base ahs been clamoring for three editions and have made it clear would be a license to print money, they make a codex for a relatively brand new renegade warband nobody has heard of outside of small blurb in the latest codex, that nobody really cares about.
How do they mismanage something like that?
l
I suspect that they feel that Forgeworld's efforts on that front are sufficient. If you want to field a "legion", you use the 30k rules (and buy a second expensive book). If you want to field a modern era grouping of marines with all that entails, you use the chaos codex. In the past, I'd have agreed with you and thought that the removal of legion rules was a bad idea but the current method is acceptable (but admittedly worse and definitely more expensive).
The problem is that the 30k stuff is just that, 30k (and missing the post-heresy Chaos-eyness), and, as FW has noted, not directly intended to be played against or playtested with normal 40k armies.
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kronk wrote: I'd love to have a plastic kit that resembled the Chosen from the DV starter set.
This Helbrute looks nice and all, but I only need the one from the starter set.
Ah, well.
Join the rather large club, brother! Tons of folks would buy a Chosen multi-part plastic kit done in the Dark Vengeance style.
And so, it is a near-certainty that GW will not produce such a kit. Or at least not until years and years after the clamor for such a kit has totally died out.
I actually plan on getting one of the new helbrute kits somewhere along the line. I know dreads are terrible, and they aren't worth fielding, but I still love the look. And it looks like it'd be a ton of fun to model and paint, which will always be my biggest motivating factor into picking something up.
I also think it'd be a lot of fun to field 3 helbrutes and 3 mauler/forgefiends with a Warpsmith leading them. Doubt it'd be terribly effective against top tier lists, but then again that's why those lists are top tier.
kronk wrote: I'd love to have a plastic kit that resembled the Chosen from the DV starter set.
This Helbrute looks nice and all, but I only need the one from the starter set.
Ah, well.
Join the rather large club, brother! Tons of folks would buy a Chosen multi-part plastic kit done in the Dark Vengeance style.
And so, it is a near-certainty that GW will not produce such a kit. Or at least not until years and years after the clamor for such a kit has totally died out.
-C6
There was a rumour circulating that a Chosen set was going to be released prior to any IG. It may have slipped under the radar due to all the Knight shininess going on but who knows where it could be hiding within the weekly release cycle.
So, a new kit is coming out that some people are happy about. The new chosen kit seems like it'll be a week or two later. A new book is coming that might be nothing, or might solve all the competitive/balance issues that people have been complaining about since Winter 2012...nobody knows!
But, yeah, all the hysteria and hate in this thread seems wise and we'll placed. Good take, guys.
I'll believe it when I see it. GW has given me no reason to be positive about a chaos release in many many years...
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Vaktathi wrote: So...instead of Legion rules, for which their customer base ahs been clamoring for three editions and have made it clear would be a license to print money, they make a codex for a relatively brand new renegade warband nobody has heard of outside of small blurb in the latest codex, that nobody really cares about.
How do they mismanage something like that?
l
I suspect that they feel that Forgeworld's efforts on that front are sufficient. If you want to field a "legion", you use the 30k rules (and buy a second expensive book). If you want to field a modern era grouping of marines with all that entails, you use the chaos codex. In the past, I'd have agreed with you and thought that the removal of legion rules was a bad idea but the current method is acceptable (but admittedly worse and definitely more expensive).
The problem is that the 30k stuff is just that, 30k (and missing the post-heresy Chaos-eyness), and, as FW has noted, not directly intended to be played against or playtested with normal 40k armies.
While you're absolutely correct, it could be that GW is concerned that they'd then be competing with themselves on things like World Eaters, Death Guard or Iron Warriors...
A codex crimson slaughter? Really? Instead of Providing for one of the established legions and warbands who have a lot of players out there they promote some unknown, generic khornate warband. With a codex. Not a dataslate, not a supplement but a codex, puting them on the same level as say okrs or space marines. I think I need larger strategic reserves of popcorn to enjoy ALL the rage this will cause.
Kosake wrote: A codex crimson slaughter? Really? Instead of Providing for one of the established legions and warbands who have a lot of players out there they promote some unknown, generic khornate warband. With a codex. Not a dataslate, not a supplement but a codex, puting them on the same level as say okrs or space marines. I think I need larger strategic reserves of popcorn to enjoy ALL the rage this will cause.
Kosake wrote: A codex crimson slaughter? Really? Instead of Providing for one of the established legions and warbands who have a lot of players out there they promote some unknown, generic khornate warband. With a codex. Not a dataslate, not a supplement but a codex, puting them on the same level as say okrs or space marines. I think I need larger strategic reserves of popcorn to enjoy ALL the rage this will cause.
Yeah, because all Space Marines have one Codex...
So do the Metamarines have a codex? Or is it founding chapters.
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Kosake wrote: A codex crimson slaughter? Really? Instead of Providing for one of the established legions and warbands who have a lot of players out there they promote some unknown, generic khornate warband. With a codex. Not a dataslate, not a supplement but a codex, puting them on the same level as say okrs or space marines. I think I need larger strategic reserves of popcorn to enjoy ALL the rage this will cause.
Yeah, because all Space Marines have one Codex...
Except for the GK who are really different from all other marines, only first-founding chapters/legions have their own codex iirc. Anyways, what's so damn special about crimson slaughter?
kronk wrote: I'd love to have a plastic kit that resembled the Chosen from the DV starter set.
This Helbrute looks nice and all, but I only need the one from the starter set.
Ah, well.
Join the rather large club, brother! Tons of folks would buy a Chosen multi-part plastic kit done in the Dark Vengeance style.
And so, it is a near-certainty that GW will not produce such a kit. Or at least not until years and years after the clamor for such a kit has totally died out.
-C6
I think I just talked myself into using the Sons of Horus Reaver Attack Squads for my 2 units of chosen.
Is that the only change to the force org chart there is? Never thought Black Legion would surrender it's crown as "least amount of rules per suplement".
They are great models, fun to use, and come with a decent amount of weapon options for not a bad pt cost.
Plus the army of helbrutes, mauler/forge fiends and a warpsmith appeals to me.
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SRSFACE wrote: I actually plan on getting one of the new helbrute kits somewhere along the line. I know dreads are terrible, and they aren't worth fielding, but I still love the look. And it looks like it'd be a ton of fun to model and paint, which will always be my biggest motivating factor into picking something up.
I also think it'd be a lot of fun to field 3 helbrutes and 3 mauler/forgefiends with a Warpsmith leading them. Doubt it'd be terribly effective against top tier lists, but then again that's why those lists are top tier.
Yes that would be a fun list to play.
Throw in some cultists/csm to satisfy the basic troop requirements (or maybe noise marines if you take a slaaneshi lord as they kind of continue the techy theme) and perhaps some bikes or heldrakes and you have a list!
In fact, I think I might try and write a list like this when I next have a look at my csm codex.
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A codex for a warband nobody cares about tha allows you to use a crappy unit as troops? If that is true, it might be GW worst idea ever. What next, another codex that allows warptalons or mutilators as troops?
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SRSFACE wrote: I actually plan on getting one of the new helbrute kits somewhere along the line. I know dreads are terrible, and they aren't worth fielding, but I still love the look. And it looks like it'd be a ton of fun to model and paint, which will always be my biggest motivating factor into picking something up.
I also think it'd be a lot of fun to field 3 helbrutes and 3 mauler/forgefiends with a Warpsmith leading them. Doubt it'd be terribly effective against top tier lists, but then again that's why those lists are top tier.
If you can't beat a top tier list anyways might as well have a fun list
Musashi363 wrote: A codex for a warband nobody cares about tha allows you to use a crappy unit as troops? If that is true, it might be GW worst idea ever. What next, another codex that allows warptalons or mutilators as troops?
Codex IG with a typo so that there are no scoring units in the RAW. None at all.
kronk wrote: I'd love to have a plastic kit that resembled the Chosen from the DV starter set.
This Helbrute looks nice and all, but I only need the one from the starter set.
Ah, well.
Join the rather large club, brother! Tons of folks would buy a Chosen multi-part plastic kit done in the Dark Vengeance style.
And so, it is a near-certainty that GW will not produce such a kit. Or at least not until years and years after the clamor for such a kit has totally died out.
-C6
I think I just talked myself into using the Sons of Horus Reaver Attack Squads for my 2 units of chosen.
That must have been a fun conversation. Why aren't we ever there for the fun bits?
GamesWorkshop wrote: And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!
I can't see a single one of the brute pictures in this thread for some reason (broken links on P6 in both my browsers). Could someone, like, put them on imgur or something? I'd really appreciate it.
A Kvlt Ghost wrote: I can't see a single one of the brute pictures in this thread for some reason (broken links on P6 in both my browsers). Could someone, like, put them on imgur or something? I'd really appreciate it.
So for those of you not content with the head options in the kit, the WDW says you can use any CSM heads with the dreadnought sarcophagus (though it is a limited only by large horns/topknots). A rather nice touch I thought.
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I also think it'd be a lot of fun to field 3 helbrutes and 3 mauler/forgefiends with a Warpsmith leading them. Doubt it'd be terribly effective against top tier lists, but then again that's why those lists are top tier.
Honestly giving advice here: If you want to field it for the look of the army, then go for it otherwise save you cash up for different things, because as someone who has repeatedly tried a list like this, they struggle even against casual lists, never mind top tiers.
Trust a guy who's taken one for the team and tried it
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