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 Malika2 wrote:
I hope this also means we'll be getting a more up to date Chaos Space Marine kit, something more akin to the Chosen.

I doubt it means we'll get new CSMs or Plague Marines.

GW already has the Dark Vengence models done so it's easier to redo them as multipart models than to do new models from scratch.

Besides if the rumors of 7th edition are true DV is about to go OOP so they want to have the models available in another form.

 Bull0 wrote:
The 7th ed rumours have their own thread here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/570012.page

Saying "Here's a Helbrute, currently those are only available in DV, that lends weight to the 7th ed rumours" is a biiiiig stretch. Bigbig. But at any rate, that's the place for it.

You mean in your opinion. They caught lots of grief having never made deffkopters outside black reach and I would like to think at least SOME feedback reaches them. I also don't see how it's anymore off topic then any other post in here. IMO this confirms mention of making the kits from DV which DOES lend credence to 7th rumors.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
I hope this also means we'll be getting a more up to date Chaos Space Marine kit, something more akin to the Chosen.

I doubt it means we'll get new CSMs or Plague Marines.

GW already has the Dark Vengence models done so it's easier to redo them as multipart models than to do new models from scratch.

Besides if the rumors of 7th edition are true DV is about to go OOP so they want to have the models available in another form.

^this

rollawaythestone wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Exactly what about these are god specific? It looks like another generic chaos kit.

The clear, Tzeentch, and Khorne bits? The Nurgle paintjob looks less god specific, but the Tzeentch and Khorne ones are clear.

The red one's got the Crimson Slaughter symbol on its left shoulder, as far as I can make out - not specifically Khornate. The blue one does have the Ouroboros painted on it, so I suppose it's meant to be a Thousand Sons unit. In both cases the symbols have been *painted* on, though - as far as the models are concerned they could be used for any of the Chaos gods...

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Bull0 wrote:
The 7th ed rumours have their own thread here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/570012.page

Saying "Here's a Helbrute, currently those are only available in DV, that lends weight to the 7th ed rumours" is a biiiiig stretch. Bigbig. But at any rate, that's the place for it.

You mean in your opinion. They caught lots of grief having never made deffkopters outside black reach and I would like to think at least SOME feedback reaches them. I also don't see how it's anymore off topic then any other post in here. IMO this confirms mention of making the kits from DV which DOES lend credence to 7th rumors.

Yeah, it's safe to assume unless I explicitly state that what I'm telling you is a fact, or I'm reporting something someone else has said, it's my opinion. That's how words work.

I'm sorry, but I keep seeing "That's just, like, your opinion, man" crop up and it winds me up a treat. Of course it's my bloody opinion. I'm not going to put "IMO" in front of every single post I make and I'm not going to ask you to either, because that would be fething slowed.

And I follow your reasoning - I just disagree, the Helbrute was always going to make it to a standalone kit eventually, since you can't get the metal chaos dread anymore. The fact that that's happened doesn't make the 7th ed rumours any more likely. It's not the same as the deffkoptas. And if they "listen to feedback" then where are your multi-part deffkoptas, eh? As for why it's offtopic, that's self-evident, dude. And it's the most off-topic post in the thread, everyone else is talking about the models. I'm happy to leave it there but please, take a breath, think, etc.

GW skipping Slaanesh?
Yup, sounds about right.

 Eiríkr wrote:
GW skipping Slaanesh?
Yup, sounds about right.

I think at least part of the problem is the official Emperor's Children scheme, black and shocking pink are not the greatest colours for showcasing new kits. Don't get me wrong I love slaanesh (check the blog), but I feel that it's got to be the worst of the post-heresy schemes.

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:

 Eiríkr wrote:
GW skipping Slaanesh?
Yup, sounds about right.

I think at least part of the problem is the official Emperor's Children scheme, black and shocking pink are not the greatest colours for showcasing new kits. Don't get me wrong I love slaanesh (check the blog), but I feel that it's got to be the worst of the post-heresy schemes.

yeah it's a scheme I'd not object to seeing retconned

 Eiríkr wrote:
GW skipping Slaanesh?
Yup, sounds about right.

Don't get your nipples twisted. GW may have another picture right next to those three for Slaanesh. No way of knowing until we see the issue.

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
I think at least part of the problem is the official Emperor's Children scheme, black and shocking pink are not the greatest colours for showcasing new kits. Don't get me wrong I love slaanesh (check the blog), but I feel that it's got to be the worst of the post-heresy schemes.

Argh. ARGH.

I'm a manly man, but I'm proud of my black-and-pink (with golden trim) CSM. My friends, who aren't sissies either, genuinely like their appearance too.

Of course, it's opinion vs. opinion, but it just hurts me to read such statements.

On-topic: I wonder whether they included a missile launcher in the kit. From personal experience pushing Helbrutes into CC frequently doesn't end well, so using them as a heavy weapons platform might serve as a viable solution.

They going to change the rules so they are playable?

Barfolomew wrote:
They going to change the rules so they are playable?

Maybe, if the rumors about the supplement are true...

 pretre wrote:

 Eiríkr wrote:
GW skipping Slaanesh?
Yup, sounds about right.

Don't get your nipples twisted.

If he's a Slaanesh player, I'd pretty much expect him to do exactly that.


On, topic, we have yet to see anything god-specific about these.

Sadly, I've only finished my DV hellbrute four weeks ago - it would have been nice to magnetize it for some of the weapon options coming with these...

What I'd like to see would be a revision of the unit size - I do have two Chaos dreads, and if I were to get one of the new ones I'd like to pick them as a 1-3 models unit. Or maybe we'll get some sort of hellbrute formation?

 Bomster wrote:
The blue one does have the Ouroboros painted on it, so I suppose it's meant to be a Thousand Sons unit. In both cases the symbols have been *painted* on, though - as far as the models are concerned they could be used for any of the Chaos gods...

Hmm.. A Thousand Sons Hellbrute.. shouldn't it be either be a Dustnought or a Sorcerer Dread?

Regarding the Emperor's Children one, I don't think it's impossible to make a decent looking paintjob with pink and black, but considering there's no noise options for the Hellbrute, I think the fourth build might be an undivided model.

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
I think at least part of the problem is the official Emperor's Children scheme, black and shocking pink are not the greatest colours for showcasing new kits. Don't get me wrong I love slaanesh (check the blog), but I feel that it's got to be the worst of the post-heresy schemes.

Argh. ARGH.

I'm a manly man, but I'm proud of my black-and-pink (with golden trim) CSM. My friends, who aren't sissies either, genuinely like their appearance too.

Of course, it's opinion vs. opinion, but it just hurts me to read such statements.

On-topic: I wonder whether they included a missile launcher in the kit. From personal experience pushing Helbrutes into CC frequently doesn't end well, so using them as a heavy weapons platform might serve as a viable solution.

You're making me feel guilty now! The scheme is ok'ish, but like I say it's really hard to show off a kit with, there are indeed some good examples of it out there (if you look really hard). I think the other problem is on official art it's mostly black armour with a couple of pink shoulderpads and maybe one other bit of pink somewhere, which just so happens to now be exactly the same as the Children of Torment in the black legion, literally the only difference is the symbol on the shoulder, and why on earth would they decide on swapping from 'a riot of colours' to 'mostly black' considering their fluff *grumble*.

Long shall be your suffering. Joyous be your pain. - Asteroth, Daemon Prince of Slaanesh

So if these are from the upcoming Visions do we think that they are perhaps a counter for Chaos players not getting access to Knights?

Really nice models.

I've always liked GWs dreads, and these helbrutes look awesome also. About time they released these.

Now about those rules...

 Medium of Death wrote:
So if these are from the upcoming Visions do we think that they are perhaps a counter for Chaos players not getting access to Knights?

Well, GW probably thinks it's a fair match.

This takes away from the idea that GW were so annoyed by the leaks of the Knights that things were going to get pushed back and forward. Visions, for all its uselessness, would still have to be produced quite a while ahead of schedule, and GW aren't about to put miniatures in a catalogue that they don't yet sell, so if they're in Visions (as they appear to be), then they have to come out on time.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
So if these are from the upcoming Visions do we think that they are perhaps a counter for Chaos players not getting access to Knights?

Well, GW probably thinks it's a fair match.

well in fairness you could get 3 of em kitted out for the price of a single knight.

3 with twin linked Lascanons might be able to bust a knight

 pretre wrote:

 Eiríkr wrote:
GW skipping Slaanesh?
Yup, sounds about right.

Don't get your nipples twisted. GW may have another picture right next to those three for Slaanesh. No way of knowing until we see the issue.

I'd swear there's a picture of a fourth brute under the Nurgle one. We can only see the headpiece and part of the left arm, but it seems different to the other three.

Btw, Two of those are clearly Death Guard and Thousand Sons, but I can't quite make up the emblem on the Khornate one. There's definitely something there, but boesn't look like the World Eaters sigil to me.

 Medium of Death wrote:
So if these are from the upcoming Visions do we think that they are perhaps a counter for Chaos players not getting access to Knights?

Probably more to do with the Knight only being a single week worth of release, and the Hellbrute (and potentially chosen and cultists) already have rules, so need no further support. They would make easy fill in releases for the other weeks of march.

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
I'd swear there's a picture of a fourth brute under the Nurgle one. We can only see the headpiece and part of the left arm, but it seems different to the other three.

Btw, Two of those are clearly Death Guard and Thousand Sons, but I can't quite make up the emblem on the Khornate one. There's definitely something there, but boesn't look like the World Eaters sigil to me.

I'm also curious about the fourth one.

Btw, as somebody has already pointed out, the Khornate Helbrute has the Crimson Slaughter emblem.

 pretre wrote:

 Eiríkr wrote:
GW skipping Slaanesh?
Yup, sounds about right.

Don't get your nipples twisted.

When Slaanesh is involved, that's kinda the point.

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
I'd swear there's a picture of a fourth brute under the Nurgle one. We can only see the headpiece and part of the left arm, but it seems different to the other three.

Btw, Two of those are clearly Death Guard and Thousand Sons, but I can't quite make up the emblem on the Khornate one. There's definitely something there, but boesn't look like the World Eaters sigil to me.

I'm also curious about the fourth one.

Btw, as somebody has already pointed out, the Khornate Helbrute has the Crimson Slaughter emblem.

There is clearly at least one more variant. However it looks like Iron Warriors to me. The gun raised in the air (unlike the other three) has hazard stripes.

GW is so nice to release this all during my birthday month...

Bastards.

 SarisKhan wrote:

 Agent_Tremolo wrote:
I'd swear there's a picture of a fourth brute under the Nurgle one. We can only see the headpiece and part of the left arm, but it seems different to the other three.

Btw, Two of those are clearly Death Guard and Thousand Sons, but I can't quite make up the emblem on the Khornate one. There's definitely something there, but boesn't look like the World Eaters sigil to me.

I'm also curious about the fourth one.

Btw, as somebody has already pointed out, the Khornate Helbrute has the Crimson Slaughter emblem.

O thanks!.

About the fourth unseen miniature, if you look closely you may notice yellow and black danger stripes on what little is visible of its left arm. It is most likely an Iron Warriors helbrute, then, though back in 2nd ed. the 'eavy metal team also used yellow and black patterns on noise marines. Who knows...

Properly ninja'd by lord Scythican

 Medium of Death wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Eiríkr wrote:
GW skipping Slaanesh?
Yup, sounds about right.

Don't get your nipples twisted.

When Slaanesh is involved, that's kinda the point.

Where's that "THAT'S THE JOKE" image when you need it, lol...

Anyway, it looks okay I guess. Not so sure I like the organic legs and arms, the hammer in particular looked pretty goofy to me. The plasma cannon is pretty cool-looking. I'm interested in seeing the back of it, since the back of the DV 'brute isn't too impressive and I hope that isn't repeated here. Shame the rules are so bad though, and the kit will probably be $50 to boot, so I don't see it being a big hit.

Guys, they're just paint jobs. There's no specific "Tzeentch", "Khorne" and whatever Helbrute. They're not 'skipping' anything. They're just example paint jobs. No need to read into it any more than necessary.

I mean, when the original Helbrute came out we got two examples of that - Crimson Slaughter and Alpha Legion. No one here thought "Oh noes! They skipped my Iron Warriors!!!" now did they?

I'm not really sure where all this hate for Helbrute rules is coming from.Because whenever my brother fields his it has a tendency to cause a fair bit of havoc. Particularly with a Melta and power fist. I shot up his brute with a few things and the next turn it's rampaging toward my guys mashing them to pulp.

Good for your brother. Doesn't change the fact that Helbrutes are a terrible unit outclassed by several others in virtually every aspect.