Sisters of the Thorn / Wild Riders: Plastic Box, dual kit, 5 miniatures. 29 € / 39$.
The Sisters are the Stag Riders, and the Wild Riders are Orion´s personal Guard, with long spears.
Eternal Guard / Wildwood Rangers: Plastic box, dual infantry kit, 10 miniatures. 31 € / 44$.
Has a Command Set: Champion, Musician and Standard Bearer
Guardians of The Deepwood: Army Box: 3 Treemen and 36 Dryads. 190 € / 230 $.
Treemen can be armed as Ancient and even one Durthu. Only while stock lasts.
Also: Guardians of the Deepwood Box 190 €
Plus "Orion: The Council of Beasts" BL novel 12.50 €
For some unknown reason, GW already leaked the pics:
Alojolo over at Warseer wrote:Sisters of the Thorn are mounted on Stags and are similar to Doomfire Warlocks for they are sorceresses themselves. There you go.
Eternal Guard wield spears and shields.
Wildwood rangers are definitely the ones carrying the weapon that resembles a bardiche.
And there's going to be a big box containing 3 Treemen plus 36 Dryads.
anonymous source over at faeit212 wrote:The Sisters of the thorn come with a Blackbriar Javelin that is armour piercing with poisoned attacks with a range of 12". The unit also is considered to be a level 2 wizard with shield of thorns and curse of anraheir. With a 4+ ward save and always strikes first, these units are looking tough.
Wildwood Rangers also get always strikes first and immune to psychology, and come with a Great Weapon and light armour. Also a Guardians of Wildwood special rule for +1 attack.
First week preorders are up:
First week releases:
Also featured on the preorder page is a finecast version of a former metal Lord, now called Shadowdancer plus a bundle of said Shadowdancer with 10 metal wardancers (former wardancer command box plus Wardancer box).
Krofna over at Warseer wrote:According to my friend, the first wave consists of:
Book 39
Ancient Treeman 50
Araloth Hero 17,5
Magic cards 6
Prices are in Euros.
First wave probably meaning first week, although armybook in first week is unusual nowadays.
Trains_Get_Robbed over at Warseer wrote:I cannot divulge photos at this time, however the new Woodies look so ace!!!
Durthru [WS7 S6 T6 W6 A6] is a SC his rules are pretty solid he has single 2D6 shooting attack at S2 2D6 hits (the old Treeman shooting rule I'm assuming) or he can nominate a enemy single enemy model and force a I test if failed; D6 Wounds no AS. He's very well painted sword and is featured prominently on the cover.
A combo kit for Eternal Guard or whatever their name would be) -they look similar to all the new elf Shadowarrior/Sisters kits with their legs and armor -they have hoods on and halberds/scythes instead.
There's another SC that has the Stubborn Special Rule and 5 attacks as well as when he's a alone he is Unbreakable. He has some magic items that are niche but some are clinical as well. For Example his "shooting attack": at the start of your turn nominate a single enemy model within 18in', they take a S4 hit. If the wound is unsaved and the to wound roll was a 6 they lose -5 WS and I for the rest of the game.
Additionally Forest Spirit gives: +6 Ward Save, ITP, Magical shooting and close combat attacks.
All Woodies have ASF -confirmed.
(...)
Wild Rider kit is a dual kit what you mention above is seemingly true.
Old post:
Hi,
for a long time we know that Wood Elves are the next Fantasy release due in May (and that they get a big treeman), so they finally deserve their own thread. I will try to keep this first post updated.
Here a first more detailed rumour from faeit212:
anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Wood Elves are out in May. They get only a two week release - armybook, magic cards and three plastic kits. It is not a total overhaul and their finecast kits - even the cavalry plastic-finecast-kits - stay valid. The only exception is the eternal guard. They are dropped completely. The models can be used as war dancers.
One of the new kits is special because it can be used for several different units. You can build either three hawk riders, which are one hawk and two surfers now, or three giant owl-like monsters called stonefeathers and six waywatchers. On top of that you can build a hero on hawk or on foot.
The second kit is a war dancer combokit. The second unit wears varying animal masks and shields made of pelt on wooden frames. They have animal claws as weapons.
The last kit is tree ancient and meadow hag. The former is a giant-sized tree man with a huge beard made of bark. The latter has a crown of leaves and she has a skirt of roots instead of legs. Her hands grow into a web of thorns.
The rest of the range stays as it is, the finecast kits probably mail order only.
The wood elves have very dynamic poses because almost all their units are skirmishers again and the sculptors didn't have to worry about spacing. Skirmishers work seamlessly with other regiments in 9th edition, so there will be no problem with this play style.
New Wood Elf artwork:
Spoiler:
Some Warseer rumours from March:
Spoiler:
antaonix over at Warseer wrote:my korean Local shop manager posted that next fantasy release will be wood elves and they will take 3 boxes that maybe replace some current models, and also there will be one monster kit too. he didn't say anything about plastic characters or exact release date. he just confirmed about GW's second quarter release schedule and i never saw he post a wrong information
Plebian wrote:I heard that the three elven books were developed at the same time. If this is true, then it is very likely that there will be similarities between them. It makes sense thematically as well, since they are all based on the Elven Military shortly before the Sundering.
O.G-Palmer wrote:I don't come in here often as to many seem to argue rather than discuss. Anyway a little birdy (well ok not that short in-case she reads this) mentioned Orion and Ariel, and is adamant about a forest dragon and treeman kit.
Most of the current plastic wood elf range will remain the same, no mention of anything being in finecast.
BTJ wrote:Again, I just wanna say I got an eyeful of a Dragon being worked on at GDUK 2011. This was after the DE dragon's release and CAD, so I'm guessing it could be a WE Dragon that was being worked on.
SteveW wrote:All I've heard is they're getting a set of lore cards and eternal guard are going to be op.
TheKingInYellow wrote:Has anyone else heard the rumour about the alternate Treeman build being more like a building than a monster, with platforms in the branches manned by Waywatchers?
edit: Trying to remember where I read it, but it would be immobile, but moveable by Tree Singing, possibly as a bound spell on the 'tower' itself.
Here just for the record some less reliable rumours on Wood Elves from last year:
Spoiler:
Larry Vela over at BolS wrote:Here's the latest word on the next two Warhammer fantasy books headed your way in 2014:
Dwarfs February Release New Plastic Lord
New Grudgethrower
New Trollslayers
New Hammerers
New Ironbreakers
More...
"Big Kit" is the Orc Crusher - a large machine.
Wood Elves May Release The final army book of 8th Edition
New Glade Guard
New Way Watchers
New War Dancers
New Dryads
New Treemen
New War Eagles
New units...
Stickmonkey on BOLS wrote:Wood Elves have a massive update coming. And they will be fine in the current and next edition with it.
I expect them late spring 2014.
Some of what Ive heard is:
Still a major guerrilla tactics army. Skirmishers are still prevalent.
New giant Treekin dual unit.
New Stag Monstrous Cavalry unit.
Best archers in the game.
Dryads having abilities to manipulate enemy unit structure.
New mpp wild rider kit
New mpp wardancer/waywatcher kit
Wardancers causing rank bonus to work against enemy.
New hawkriders kit.
WE wizards (spellsingers) have spells that manipulate environment, including making a new grove of trees and one causing an enemy unit to enter combat with the ground/terrain
WE have significant benefits within woods both stationary and moving.
Tree units able to start hidden in wooded terrain.
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I thought I had heard of one more dual kit with eternal guard, but I cant find it in my notes, so maybe not.
This info is fairly old, like from last fall, so there is that.
Cheers
Also, just for the record, some August 2012 rumours. Yes, Wood Elf rumours are rare:
Spoiler:
Antipathy from Warseer wrote:From my usual sources (Re; Breton and High Elf), I've heard that there's not only a Plastic Dragon (Spellweaver/Highborn options; no comment yet on Sisters of Twilight), but also a Plastic Set for Eternal Guard equipped with Saearath - presuming 10 to a set like High Elven Elites, including full command. Other than being plastic, I have been told that they will remain in the same style aesthetic so as not to clash with the existing Metal models - which in turn will also become direct only models.
As for the Wild Riders, they're becoming "larger" and "much deadlier", including vine/ivy wreathed horns and "immense mounts" - matching the Orion, Vaults of Winter novel description. Whether they become the rumoured/(un)wanted for "Stag Knights" or Monstrous Cavalry in any form is unknown other than their size compared to the comparatively slightly built elves was heavily stressed.
Lastly - Scouts become their own unit choice, but are still limited in their selection; I think this means either Special choices, or not counting towards the minimum 25% Core - rumours of a character/kindred (I'm leaning hopefully towards Skarloc) remove this limitation; either shifting towards core, or counting towards the minimum 25%.
EarlyBird wrote:Here is what I have gathered from "knowledgeable" sources...
-Book for spring 2014
-Chariot is back
-Packmaster with orion hounds or great bear
-A "fairy" unit working a bit like the Banshee
- Stags as mounts for Kurnous cavalry
-Skaw the falconer is back with new mini
Antipathy wrote:Not so much a packmaster, but the new Alter Kindred takes on the form of an animal/nature and becomes some form of monstrous beast/infantry, apparently.
The fluff being they give themselves over to the forest, and take on its aspects, sort of like miniature orions, rather than being a shapeshifter atypical druid.
Playtested versions have seen "proxied" varghulfs with extremely fast movement, so that may mean that they can take on an aerial aspect that gives them fly.
As for the monstrous cav, I am lead to believe that wild riders current iteration is still viable in the rules.
Chariots meanwhile, I have heard absolutely nothing about, other than suggestions of an altar type of unit acting like a mortis engine with its "spirit host", but that has been dismissed by my sources as pure wishlisting.
Elven Lord: "Hail to you Tree Ancient! Your presence amongst us in an honor and boon that we can never repay."
Tree Ancient: *wise creaking*
Elven Lord: "Oh...and...hi there Meadow Hag....we thought you had a...thing today...but thanks.
Meadow Hag: Feth you.
plastictrees wrote: Elven Lord: "Hail to you Tree Ancient! Your presence amongst us in an honor and boon that we can never repay."
Tree Ancient: *wise creaking*
Elven Lord: "Oh...and...hi there Meadow Hag....we thought you had a...thing today...but thanks.
Meadow Hag: Feth you.
Nicely done
That model intrigues me quite a bit. Hope it's good, treemen have such potential!
The lack of eternal guard is surprising, but if the rumor holds true that skirmishers can complete against blocks in 9th then it gets interesting. But does that same mechanic make Drones OP, quite possible.
Sounds cool. I always thought the current Treeman model was terrible from the moment it came out so many years ago.
Don't like the sound of Eternal Guard going away, though they always felt like an awkward unit to me (WE didn't really need an expensive but fragile elite infantry block). I personally never bought a whole block of Eternal Guard, though I did buy some of them (I think I have a limited edition one or some such buried in my pile of unpainted models.
Looking forward to seeing this. The Wood Elf models are visually lovely, and if they keep the quality the same then these should be a treat to play against.
I'm a little sad to hear it'll be a smaller release, but I do think that the existing Wood Elf line is pretty solid, with the notable exception of the Treemen and Treekin.
Well that is what I thought was coming I am interested in seeing the new kits especially the new giant tree guy kit might be like the ent kit though but possibly bigger.
Now hopefully more Fantasy rumors will begin to spread.....I want more fantasy stuff lol
anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Upcoming white dwarf is dedicated to a new hobby kit from GW. The kit will come in at $150 US and has a file, clippers, modeling knife, moulding line knife, hand drill and comes in a special foldout canvas case.
The rest of the dwarf features an extended Hobbit battle report where they cover all of the battle scenarios from an unexpected journey.
What I found most interesting was the tag line for White Dwarf #13:
If you go out to the woods today... ...you'll be in for a big surprise.
I wonder if this is a case of WE not getting updated for so long because they aren't popular or WE not being popular anymore because they never get updates, lol.
WE were big in my local meta back in the 90s, it may have been because one of the GW store armies was WE, so a lot of people got introduced to WHFB through WE.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I wonder if this is a case of WE not getting updated for so long because they aren't popular or WE not being popular anymore because they never get updates, lol.
I've been waiting for the update to get into WHFB but if they get a half-hearted treatment then maybe I'm better off investing in HE or DE.
Allseeingskink - I suspect once someone hears something credible the floodgates will fly open. As of right now, however, these rumours come from Faeit212, which is 50/50 on its best day.
Oh FFS, I just find out loads of my IG stuff is no longer ok in Codex only events and now it's likely that my WE army is losing the one figure I have more than enough of - Eternal Guard...
Also should add I spent the end of year getting my Gaunts + Spore Pod list ready only for GW to remove the rules...
LavuranGuard wrote: Oh FFS, I just find out loads of my IG stuff is no longer ok in Codex only events and now it's likely that my WE army is losing the one figure I have more than enough of - Eternal Guard...
Also should add I spent the end of year getting my Gaunts + Spore Pod list ready only for GW to remove the rules...
What loads of stuff? Did you have an army mostly composed of griffons and marbo led by Kamul?
LavuranGuard wrote: Oh FFS, I just find out loads of my IG stuff is no longer ok in Codex only events and now it's likely that my WE army is losing the one figure I have more than enough of - Eternal Guard...
Also should add I spent the end of year getting my Gaunts + Spore Pod list ready only for GW to remove the rules...
FAQs are (supposedly) coming soon, you should start Tau...
LavuranGuard wrote: Griffons, Medusas, a Colossus, Penal Legion and Marbo yes...
Also have over 40 of the metal WE Eternal Guard before you ask too.
You should post some pics of all that on one of your blogs (your profile one is different from your sig). From your blog pics, most of your stuff is converted blood pact (assuming that is your IG army) and since it is already nicely converted counts as then there isn't much stopping you from using your conversions as basilisks instead of griffons. Don't get me wrong... figs getting retired sucks and I experienced the exact same thing two IG books ago with my own 3rd edition penal legion figs and griffon. In the end, you learn and adapt as will wood elf players.
Yep one blog is for the commercial stuff we do, the other for my own projects (which may overlap a bit).
The Griffon is for the Blood Pact so it sits on a Halftrack chassis as do all my Chimera variant count-as models, with the exception of my 'Basilisk'. This has a different chassis - sort of confusing to use one as the other. The Medusa is for my loyalist IG army which is mostly unpainted/unbuilt, hence few pics.
Blogs are a little out of date as I'm working on a house move and renovation at the moment - it's taking ages and keeps getting longer with delays and problems etc.
LavuranGuard wrote: Griffons, Medusas, a Colossus, Penal Legion and Marbo yes...
Also have over 40 of the metal WE Eternal Guard before you ask too.
I feel your pain. I am always surprised people keep going back to GW. They have been doing stuff like this for years: Squats, Chaos Dwarves, Halflings, Dogs or War, etc.
Woodleves are really bad in 8th. Now they will get a new codex just in time for them to be useless in 9th.
I keep playing GW stuff as a backup because it means I don't waste my time on my monthly 25 mile trip to the game store. I try to schedule other games in advance whenever possible but I bring 40k as a "backup" and I haven't bought a new plastic kit in years (I just keep current with the codex releases and occasionally trade for new stuff I want). Fantasy was never my thing and is somewhat dead comparatively in my area but I always liked the wood elf line from back in the day when I first saw the kurnos and dryad models. I do hope they get a full physical codex release and not the SOB-esque digital only option.
Leggy wrote: Allseeingskink - I suspect once someone hears something credible the floodgates will fly open. As of right now, however, these rumours come from Faeit212, which is 50/50 on its best day.
That Wood Elves come next comes from hastings, more than a year ago.
And the snipped from WD comes from WD I assume.
Kosake wrote: Uhm... If I am not mistaken, there was some talk about 7th Ed. in May and New Starter Kit/Orks in June.
Would GW release a WHFB Codex and a new 40k edition in one month...?
Well, Dwarfs, Imperial Knights and Astra Militarum all took up about 3 White Dwarf Weekly.
There are 6 or 7 White Dwarf Weekly left in April/May (i.e. before GW's financial year ends on May 31st): April 19th, 26th, May 3rd, 10th, 17th, 24th and 31st (not sure if the last one would count).
Plenty of room.
In 2012, 6th Edition came out in July and Dark Vengeance in September.
Also, unless you actually believe BoLS/Natfka-rumours, there is no new Starter Set with new push-fit models, so a "book-only" release as rumoured by 40K Radio wouldn't take up a lot of weeks. A fancy new 40K rulebook, with various Limited Editions, would make for a "good" accounting stunt for the last weeks of May, to bring up the sales numbers for the financial year after the "crash" at the half-year-results.
And if there really is a new starter box (unlikely, unless we hear something from a reliable source), it would probably prop up GW's financials for the next year.
Leggy wrote: Allseeingskink - I suspect once someone hears something credible the floodgates will fly open. As of right now, however, these rumours come from Faeit212, which is 50/50 on its best day.
That Wood Elves come next comes from hastings, more than a year ago.
And the snipped from WD comes from WD I assume.
Old rumours are old.
And the WD snippet could just as easily be hinting at a new "Mysterious Forest" terrain set (along with its £30 "Mysterious Forest" Scroll of Battle) ;p
Leggy wrote: Allseeingskink - I suspect once someone hears something credible the floodgates will fly open. As of right now, however, these rumours come from Faeit212, which is 50/50 on its best day.
That Wood Elves come next comes from hastings, more than a year ago.
And the snipped from WD comes from WD I assume.
Old rumours are old.
And the WD snippet could just as easily be hinting at a new "Mysterious Forest" terrain set (along with its £30 "Mysterious Forest" Scroll of Battle) ;p
Yeah... but the Wood Elves Stag Cavalry Artwork Commission from Daarken flying around (see my sig ... or Warseer if you're a GW-style internet-averse) seems to chime pretty well with both (a) the Stag Cavalry rumours in content and (b) the timing right around this springtime.
anonymous source on Faeit 212 wrote:Upcoming white dwarf is dedicated to a new hobby kit from GW. The kit will come in at $150 US and has a file, clippers, modeling knife, moulding line knife, hand drill and comes in a special foldout canvas case.
The rest of the dwarf features an extended Hobbit battle report where they cover all of the battle scenarios from an unexpected journey.
What I found most interesting was the tag line for White Dwarf #13:
If you go out to the woods today... ...you'll be in for a big surprise.
If there are no bears in the WE army, I will be very disappointed in this rumor. Picnic optional.
The Masks are great but I'm most impressed by the Treeman. To be fair anything would be a step up from the awful current model but that looks really nice. I like how it's almost got a helmet like shape to it's head.
%$^%"%! I wait years to start WE waiting for the new edition and then I start a HE army (Because they've got birdies!) And now suddenly WE with Stag riders?
GAH my wallet is not safe!
I do hope WE come out - I've been waiting for them to get an update for aaages now.
Does anyone know what this really means...paintings have been released? It's from the Daarken site, artist of the stag rider painting.
"I contacted my art director at Games Workshop and confirmed that a few of my paintings have been released, giving me the go ahead to post them online."
reps0l wrote: Does anyone know what this really means...paintings have been released? It's from the Daarken site, artist of the stag rider painting.
"I contacted my art director at Games Workshop and confirmed that a few of my paintings have been released, giving me the go ahead to post them online."
Released for publication?
Don't think its the cover. 8th edition books have tended to have a single figure on the front rather than a army panorama.
Yay for fantasy, square base all the way.
I'm torn between woodelves or brets for my new fantasy project so may wait 6months or so an see if new brets emerge, if not wood elves it is.
The helmeted versions of those riders have a very 'Dark Elf' look about them, pretty cool stuff. I'm glad they seem to be next for an update, gives me renwed hope for a Brettonian love in
rothrich wrote: People are so excited by this release that the thread on citadel tools has twice as many pages...
Let's be fair now. A whole bunch of those posts in the tools thread are about the massive price GW has hung around the necks of their precision crafted h-h-hobby jewelry.
rothrich wrote: People are so excited by this release that the thread on citadel tools has twice as many pages...
Let's be fair now. A whole bunch of those posts in the tools thread are about the massive price GW has hung around the necks of their precision crafted h-h-hobby jewelry.
Exactly!
WFB may not be shining as brightly nowadays as it used it, but it is fair bit more important and 'popular' than than stuff!
WFB may not be shining as brightly nowadays as it used it, but it is fair bit more important and 'popular' than than stuff!
I think Alpharius might be having a stroke...
But yes, I think the other thread is fueled by a fair deal of outrage. This thread is pretty light on info, and exists in a 40K centric forum, so the light traffic make sense. (To me at least.)
I'd love to see more WE on the board, so persist with high hopes.
Lets be fair all we have is some old art and a rumour that has been doing the rounds for the last few years. That isn't much to get excited about considering there isn't really anything much to go on other than "WE might possibly could be next (and this time we really mean it)".
Once there's some actual news, like leaked product photos and WD pages then there will be pages of excitement (and a bunch of people moaning about paying for things )
Scrub wrote: The helmeted versions of those riders have a very 'Dark Elf' look about them, pretty cool stuff. I'm glad they seem to be next for an update, gives me renwed hope for a Brettonian love in
According to the 2nd War of Vengeance novel - some of the original Wood Elves were Dark Elves.................
Leggy wrote: It's actually nice that this thread hasn't been ruined by the price whinging.
Yet.
Of course, there's nothing else being discussed either, so it's not all positive.
I dislike the idea of more bird surfers. I don't like the current war hawk riders doing it, and I'd rather any new ones didn't.
Here's hoping I still get to use my 30-ish Metal Eternal Guard for something other than paperweights
I'm sure when we actually know some prices we'll hear some complaining. At the moment all we have is a single piece of artwork and some rumours that may or may not be sketchy.
Not impressed so far. Looks to me like its going to be another 'Elf Woods army book'.
No Eternal Guard at all. This looks likethe army is entirely tree and skirmisher base. While a good theme it should not be all the army can be.
I miss Wood elves with spear and shield, and don't see why they cant have them.
As for the pigeon surfers, GW are compounding their idiocies with having double-pigeon surfers. They will end up looking like they are playing Twister.
Nice to see the department of silly names is earning its pay again. You cant have giant owls, you have two have Stonefaceowlwraiths or something equally crass.
Elf Woods have had crap imagery for ten years now, and its only getting worse. Not long now before they look like they go to the same tailor as the Savage Orcs.
I am very interested in seeing how they change the rules for Wood Elves in order to make them work in 8th. Being almost entire made up of Skirmishers is a massive disadvantage in 8th as you have no way to hold enemy troops and face a Static Combat Resolution disadvantage of -3 in every fight - which is nothing to scoff at!
WE used to be the most interesting army in 7th because they had a very distinctive and different playstyle, but that, sadly, changed in 8th when GW decided to dumb the game down by a good shot and e.g. removed difficult terrain which was vital for WE as it allowed them to out-maneuver most enemies at ease, carefully picking and killing targets.
I am very excited about the release and might even start picking some Wood Elves up. Second hand, of course, no way I'm going to pay these prices
Mr Morden wrote: If the new Wood Elves are as good as the recent Hobbit Wood Elves - that would be good ?
That's what I'd personally like. If the LOTR wood elf range was more expansive, I would make a WHFBWE army using the LOTR figures. Oh, and the price, LOTR Mirkwood Elves are painfully expensive to create an entire army of them.
I wouldn't mind surfing if the eagles were bigger and maybe with a long reign up like on the PP Legion Hellion = however I never liked how tiny the eagles are compared to the riders - it just looks wrong to surf them .
Overread wrote: I wouldn't mind surfing if the eagles were bigger and maybe with a long reign up like on the PP Legion Hellion = however I never liked how tiny the eagles are compared to the riders - it just looks wrong to surf them .
I bought LOTR Eagles to use as my WE Eagles, far better models.
I did the same - heck the old metal eagle is years old and a bit clunky. Plus two good looking plastic eagles is all I need (and I can make the wings magnetic easily)
WFB may not be shining as brightly nowadays as it used it, but it is fair bit more important and 'popular' than than stuff!
I think Alpharius might be having a stroke...
But yes, I think the other thread is fueled by a fair deal of outrage. This thread is pretty light on info, and exists in a 40K centric forum, so the light traffic make sense. (To me at least.)
I'd love to see more WE on the board, so persist with high hopes.
Ha - good one!
That's me on a phone for you - not working out well, usually...
Still, I've love to see WFB make a comeback, somehow - I enjoy that game far more than 40K these days...
LazzurusMan wrote: Heard about this from a guy I know, apparently along with the WE Beastmen are getting done...and all for a new WFB starter box.
That's just what I've heard, and it ties in with the may WE rumours.
I would love for this to be true seeing as how the next fantasy army i want to play is Beastmen and my brother wants to play Wood Elves. This would be perfect for us!
Weaverman over at Warseer wrote:Please take from this what you will, my friend has just seen some pictures of the new woodies from an independent retailer
"Lads i have seen some pics of the new wood elves. U can have a man treeman or a woman treeman not sure what they do, warhawk or owl riders and look great. New war dancers with 2 or 3 different levels and they now rank up. New fast cav models too."
On the leaked WoodElf art:
Imperator64 over at Warseer wrote:I asked daarkon why the pic had gone from his site and he just said the gw had asked him to remove it.
Not new, but as people interested in Wood Elves are gathered here, I just found a very old and quite unknown collection of not-used Wood Elf background texts written for Warhammer RPG. Was old in 2006 already But 61 pages!
www.madalfred.com/articles/Laurelorn_Elves.rtf
Strange for multiple reasons that GW is making WE pretty much all skirmish. First, it's strange because it doesn't fit the 8th edition playstyle, and second, it's strange because adding a modern looking spear unit to the army is a unit that most players will buy at least 4 boxes of. Put them at the same price as the new DE spearmen and that's $200 per WE player.
Overread wrote: Lets be fair all we have is some old art and a rumour that has been doing the rounds for the last few years. That isn't much to get excited about considering there isn't really anything much to go on other than "WE might possibly could be next (and this time we really mean it)".
Once there's some actual news, like leaked product photos and WD pages then there will be pages of excitement (and a bunch of people moaning about paying for things )
I saw tomorrows White Dwarf on Tuesday. In the back under the regular "Next Week" section it says:
"If you go down to the Woods today...
...You're in for a big surprise."
If that's not a confirmation, it's trolling on a new level for GW.
Overread wrote: Lets be fair all we have is some old art and a rumour that has been doing the rounds for the last few years. That isn't much to get excited about considering there isn't really anything much to go on other than "WE might possibly could be next (and this time we really mean it)".
Once there's some actual news, like leaked product photos and WD pages then there will be pages of excitement (and a bunch of people moaning about paying for things )
I saw tomorrows White Dwarf on Tuesday. In the back under the regular "Next Week" section it says:
"If you go down to the Woods today...
...You're in for a big surprise."
If that's not a confirmation, it's trolling on a new level for GW.
Welll considering how I've been waiting for WE for years and then started a HE army recently the omens are good for Sod/Murphy's law raising its ugly head (Which also means WE will look and play fantastic!)
Man, I'm really hoping this happens. It's been too long without any updates. And their book is just so small--I'm really hoping for a few more named characters, if only for the fluff value.
Overread wrote: Lets be fair all we have is some old art and a rumour that has been doing the rounds for the last few years. That isn't much to get excited about considering there isn't really anything much to go on other than "WE might possibly could be next (and this time we really mean it)".
Once there's some actual news, like leaked product photos and WD pages then there will be pages of excitement (and a bunch of people moaning about paying for things )
I saw tomorrows White Dwarf on Tuesday. In the back under the regular "Next Week" section it says:
"If you go down to the Woods today...
...You're in for a big surprise."
If that's not a confirmation, it's trolling on a new level for GW.
Teaser up on the GW site, no one that I know of had managed to get the video working, but it's called "Something mysterious". Seems to fit with what was said about White Dwarf...also shocked we've not had pictures from the recent white dwarf of that line, or any leaked pics of models!
It's not great, but it's perfectly acceptable for a teaser that has a budget of approx £0, and presumably very strict limits on what they can actually show.
At the end of the day you have to realise that if you're on this forum, the teaser is not meant for you. There has barely ever been a teaser that came out before the rumours already knew about it, and usually had pics of it too, this is one of the few times we don't have pics first.
That said, I'm not sure who the teaser IS actually targeted at, as you won't know about the teaser unless you are actively perusing the internet for GW stuff in which case you probably already know the leaks.
I've always assumed the teasers were a higher-ups idea, which is why they're always half-assed. The marketing guys who are doing then already know how far behind the curve they are. However it's what the boss wants.
Do GW have an official social media presence anymore? I remember something about them closing their Facebook account do to price argument trolling.
It's more likely they are abusing some poor photographer do to the videos assuming that because its visual its just the same - fact is video is a whole different suit of skills and equipment to give really good results. for something creative like that.
And GW still have all their shops with a page on facebook . And some good painting tutorials on youtube/website.
Even though this strongly appears to be an update for the Wood Elves I'm happy to see them at least acknowledge that Bretonnia still exists. Gives me hope. Also, that mounted guy looks like a Yeoman and correct me if I'm wrong but did they ever have their own minis?
For a GW teaser that effort wasn't half bad, compared to the usual dross they put out this one actually had some figures in it at least!
Said figures are the reason I'm also thrilled... (gawd, I need to get a life hah!) I mean, Brettonians being showed off in an official capacity? That puts the rumours of them getting 'squatted' firlmy to bed, I'd say. Lack of models be damned!
Very much looking forward to this release and I'm keeping all fingers and toes crossed for some tidbits on a Breton release too.
This hasn't been mentioned yet, but on the official GW site under the Wild Riders it says no longer available, is that a certainty that they'll be some of the new models we'll receive?
Centurion Cajun wrote: Even though this strongly appears to be an update for the Wood Elves I'm happy to see them at least acknowledge that Bretonnia still exists. Gives me hope. Also, that mounted guy looks like a Yeoman and correct me if I'm wrong but did they ever have their own minis?
The mounted Yeomen figures date back to at least 5th edition, that's when I started playing and they were available back then.
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Centurion Cajun wrote: Is anyone else amused by the fact we're seemingly more excited about the Bretonnians than the Wood Elves?
I'd be excited by both, they are 2 of my main Fantasy armies that have gone so many years without any love.
There are a lot of models from several older ranges that disappeared when the site relaunched recently. Most prominently, and thoroughly, the Bretonnians and Wood Elves. With this new trailed ai think it's pretty safe to say they will at least be getting a Finecast redo if not entirely new models.
I think we won't see much new in finecast at all - GW already said they are getting rid of it so I suspect most new armies now are going to be full plastic; we might see it on some hero or limited run models; but the bulk of the army will likely be plastic.
Eh I can't see that happening. Their armies are so vastly different in design and appeal to the market. Whilst they are both long ignored they are not similar in other ways. Trying to blend the two could be a disaster; the closest might be some influenced units (Brets have oft had some WE inspired/storied mages) but otherwise I'd not expect GW to blend them.
Asides Brets are more focused around troops and numbers whilst WE more focused around smaller units of the elite. The armies have totally different focuses (though not as extreme as say trying to blend Skaven and High Elves)
Overread wrote: Eh I can't see that happening. Their armies are so vastly different in design and appeal to the market. Whilst they are both long ignored they are not similar in other ways. Trying to blend the two could be a disaster; the closest might be some influenced units (Brets have oft had some WE inspired/storied mages) but otherwise I'd not expect GW to blend them.
Asides Brets are more focused around troops and numbers whilst WE more focused around smaller units of the elite. The armies have totally different focuses (though not as extreme as say trying to blend Skaven and High Elves)
Well, going by the video, maybe they blend them similar to how they blended Tyranids and Squats
It could be a small release; but I'd expect them to at least have something new. Every army thus far has had something big and new released for them (barring possibly dwarfs I think). I'd have expected WE to get more attention; especailly as the best way to bring an army around that's been undersupported and is less popular is to hit it with a huge slew of new things to bring in new buyers. It worked really well for revamping the Dark Eldar.
but has anybody considered the possibility that it's a very small release and will only take up 1 week, which is why the book is there
Even Imperial Knights didn't do that, and it only had 1 model.
It is admittedly vaguely possible that the "model-first" idea didn't work for GW and they switched back. Chances are, however, it's simply a bs rumour.
With Dwarfs, the book wasn't in the first wave. Got to sell the miniatures on their own appeal first, no?
Well, we've had three releases under the new scheme, so it's a bit early to say what the trend is, but it may be worth mentioning that for almos the entire history of the company, the army book WAS released in the first week.
Overread wrote:Eh I can't see that happening. Their armies are so vastly different in design and appeal to the market. Whilst they are both long ignored they are not similar in other ways. Trying to blend the two could be a disaster; the closest might be some influenced units (Brets have oft had some WE inspired/storied mages) but otherwise I'd not expect GW to blend them.
Asides Brets are more focused around troops and numbers whilst WE more focused around smaller units of the elite. The armies have totally different focuses (though not as extreme as say trying to blend Skaven and High Elves)
I'm pretty sure that Bretonnians are focused around the various Knights that they have, not the peasant rabble. With that said though, remember that the Wood Elf book under its "Rare Unit" section actually says that the Wood Elves will "most commonly ally with their Bretonnian neighbors in times of great need"(or something to that effect). Right below that is a picture of a Bretonnian Knight fighting alongside a Great Eagle in the woods of Athel Loren.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:This would indeed be a first for the 'weekly' cycle to have the book in week 1
but has anybody considered the possibility that it's a very small release and will only take up 1 week, which is why the book is there
Or maybe the darts hit a different spot in the dartboard this time.
Could be interesting to see. Though I have enough dollies (my dad's term for miniatures) and currently committed to Skaven. The only pointy ears I'd be interested in are Dark Elves because frankly, the models look way better than the High/Wood Elves. Druchii all the way- WHFB or WH40K
I like the very poor production quality, though. The "growling" of the treeman sounds exactly like a GW employee asked to moan in the microphone during his lunch break. No second take, of course, just slap the sound on the video and we're done
If WE went fully druidic with beasties and all I'd likely have to think about selling some models to raise some funds because I'd not be able to resist that.
Nice, GW. A preview that shows nor tells you anything.
Well, it did tell you (sort of) that Wood Elves were coming soon.
Or Ork Treemen?
Or Mutated Tree Beastmen?
Exactly. This is supposed to be some form of advertisement. We kindof know that it's referring to WE's due to a combination of internet rumours and educated guesses. But what about the poor schmuck that stumbles across this on youtube? They're s.o.l. in working out what it's supposed to be.
So they google GW and go on their website. Still nothing....
Nice, GW. A preview that shows nor tells you anything.
Well, it did tell you (sort of) that Wood Elves were coming soon.
Or Ork Treemen?
Or Mutated Tree Beastmen?
Exactly. This is supposed to be some form of advertisement. We kindof know that it's referring to WE's due to a combination of internet rumours and educated guesses. But what about the poor schmuck that stumbles across this on youtube? They're s.o.l. in working out what it's supposed to be.
So they google GW and go on their website. Still nothing....
They'll be eagerly awaiting the date shown at the end of the video to find out, obviously, growing ever more excited with anticipation - like kids before Christmas - on what will be behind this mystery.
And if they google GW's website, they can buy some Bullgryns to pass the time.
Let me just say, I am tremendously happy for all of the Wood Elf fans out there. A few months ago we were batting about rumors that Wood Elves would be dropped from the game. Now they're getting a new army book. Good day for the hobby, for sure.
Oh come on. Really. First of all, it looks like a hippie Eldar Avatar and secondly...tons of skulls. Again. Of course. And...why does it have a sword. It takes away a lot from the "nature" theme it should have.
Sorry about that quick link, I was on a rush and could only post that and run!
I must say that leader.. well.. meh, it's nice but it could be a lot better, though the treeman as said above will be a nice thing to convert ^^
Grimtuff wrote: Cheers Elar, Here's a direct link to the pics.
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Spoiled as they're a bit big.
Thanks Elar for the original link, and for these Grimtuff
The second treeman pic isn't half bad, I think. The first is a bit odd... so many skulls! Something I might have drawn up as a parody of what GW would make a treeman, but it's actually a model
I don't hate these things, but I definitely prefer the old treeman over the first image. Still unsure about the second, I think it's much better than the first.
riburn3 wrote: Couple of things noticed. Looks like forest creatures get a flat 6+ ward no matter what. Attacks still count as magical.
Also, Durthu uses lore of beasts. Anyone think this means there won't be a lore for the WE's?
Tehenehuin can't use Lizardmen High Magic, so I don't that's evidence of WE not getting their own lore.
True, however you would think a tree would be able to use the lore of the forest. Will be interesting to see why his background has him taking lore of beasts.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: Ok, Now GW is just copying WoW.
I'm getting a strong Warcraft vibe from that thing.
I preferred the old treeman, honestly. This new one looks like a comic book character.
So other than a vibe, what exactly is copied?
Nothing is really new at this point in fantasy and sci-fi. The constant refrain of 'X is just copying Y' is silly.
The fact it looks cartoony and all the glowy magical stuff. Reminds me of those trees from warcraft.
I admit that might just be the paintjob though; the current painting team has a habit of making everything as bright and colorful as possible.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: The fact it looks cartoony and all the glowy magical stuff. .
So every fantasy picture in the last 10 years. Gotcha.
Pretre, I agree with you that it's not a WoW copy, but you have to admit that GW's style is becoming more cartoony lately. I'm not saying they're copying anyone at all, but the change in aesthetic is not one that I prefer.
Cartoony is likely more the paint job than the model itself. Paint him up differently and you could make him look dark, menacing and gritt -- er I mean woody!
CthuluIsSpy wrote: The fact it looks cartoony and all the glowy magical stuff. .
So every fantasy picture in the last 10 years. Gotcha.
Pretre, I agree with you that it's not a WoW copy, but you have to admit that GW's style is becoming more cartoony lately. I'm not saying they're copying anyone at all, but the change in aesthetic is not one that I prefer.
I would argue the opposite. We are worlds away from the Red Period.
Here's my old treemen, for reference (note, I didn't paint these):
And a sideshot of an army view:
That looks like a moving forest. The new models... well, I don't know what they look like . Some sort of magical voodoo model. I'm not saying it's terrible, just that it is notably different from the previous tree-creature style.
Ninja'ed you above, pretre... again, I don't really know what the other two of you are discussing, but regarding the style of tree creatures from GW's previous generation of models to these new ones is quite starkly different.
RiTides wrote: That looks like a moving forest. The new models... well, I don't know what they look like . Some sort of magical voodoo model. I'm not saying it's terrible, just that it is notably different from the previous tree-creature style.
Those aren't stock treemen as GW didn't pack them with foliage/flock.
The old ones don't look like a moving forest:
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RiTides wrote: Some might prefer the new... but it is different!
RiTides wrote: Ninja'ed you above, pretre... again, I don't really know what the other two of you are discussing, but regarding the style of tree creatures from GW's previous generation of models to these new ones is quite starkly different.
Some might prefer the new... but it is different!
Yeah, the newer model has too much going on. I don't see how that could be mistaken as a tree.
Okay, well I don't have any desire to play around with words so I'll leave it there
For those interested, here are the new pics:
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Grimtuff wrote: Cheers Elar, Here's a direct link to the pics.
Here also are the pics of my tree army made from the previous generation models, as a point of comparison (rather than a point of argument!). It's just interesting to compare them, and the differences:
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RiTides wrote: Here's my old treemen, for reference (note, I didn't paint these):
And a sideshot of an army view:
That looks like a moving forest. The new models... well, I don't know what they look like . Some sort of magical voodoo model. I'm not saying it's terrible, just that it is notably different from the previous tree-creature style.
It is admittedly vaguely possible that the "model-first" idea didn't work for GW and they switched back. Chances are, however, it's simply a bs rumour.
Your Kung Fu is weak! My Kung Fu is bigger than yours!
I dunno, I got a WoW vibe. It's not similar, but the colors push it that way. And why would they not push for that vibe? It's popular. GWstealing ideas borrowing concepts is nothing new. Their entire fluff is based upon this.
That said, I found my Wraithlords for my Exodites.
Ok, Now GW is just copying WoW.
I'm getting a strong Warcraft vibe from that thing.
Yup, looks totally like WoW's treants... Yup, JUST like them
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He said getting a "WoW vibe from them", not they look like them. The internal glow and palette for them is incredibly reminiscent of WoW treemen going from those images.
The dude on foot is really lovely. He looks decently scaled and only features one skull! The details on the model are quite crisp.
The treeman is interesting. I think it is way too early to judge the model, based on the two pictures shown. I think, for one, the paint jobs shown are terrible for showing the model. They pop way too much and are far too busy. I suspect with a more muted paint job, one suitable for a tree, the model would come out better.
Has anyone else pointed out that we have not seen a tree-hag and that the most recent rumours are thus likely false?
I am a bit confused about Durthu and the treeman ancient using weapons/tools. At least with the regular treeman, I can imagine how with a different paintjob, and with added foliage, he could somehow be mistaken for a tree when immobile in the middle of the forest. Which is good.
Also, I am quite happy to see some long-neglected army getting some attention again. Hope Bretonians will come next.
Not a Fantasy Player, but WE are in my "if I did, they'd be on the short list" list, and I'm not seeing much I don't like about the new Treeman.
I think the paint jobs aren't doing it many favours (a common thing just recently) but I think there's a really solid kit with a lot of potential right there.
It at least will make it on to my "would like to paint list" even if I never actually get around to picking it up.
It's a complete change of what Treemen are from my perspective. It's not so much walking tree anymore, more supernatural being with tree like qualities.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing and I'd be interested to see if the new fluff supports this design change.
Flashman wrote: It's a complete change of what Treemen are from my perspective. It's not so much walking tree anymore, more supernatural being with tree like qualities.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing and I'd be interested to see if the new fluff supports this design change.
but not something I'd want as a treeman with 2 arms, 2 legs and a head it's far too human for what I'd want from a living tree thing
(I get a huge elder avatar vibe from it more than anything else but I think that's the sword more than anything else)
I agree it's a bit too humanoid for my tastes, but otherwise there are some cool things going on with it... but much more "Eldar" than "Wood Elf" in some ways, as you say. Nice observation, wasn't sure how to characterize it mentally before that
Trains_Get_Robbed over at Warseer wrote:I cannot divulge photos at this time, however the new Woodies look so ace!!!
Durthru [WS7 S6 T6 W6 A6] is a SC his rules are pretty solid he has single 2D6 shooting attack at S2 2D6 hits (the old Treeman shooting rule I'm assuming) or he can nominate a enemy single enemy model and force a I test if failed; D6 Wounds no AS. He's very well painted sword and is featured prominently on the cover.
A combo kit for Eternal Guard or whatever their name would be) -they look similar to all the new elf Shadowarrior/Sisters kits with their legs and armor -they have hoods on and halberds/scythes instead.
There's another SC that has the Stubborn Special Rule and 5 attacks as well as when he's a alone he is Unbreakable. He has some magic items that are niche but some are clinical as well. For Example his "shooting attack": at the start of your turn nominate a single enemy model within 18in', they take a S4 hit. If the wound is unsaved and the to wound roll was a 6 they lose -5 WS and I for the rest of the game.
Additionally Forest Spirit gives: +6 Ward Save, ITP, Magical shooting and close combat attacks.
All Woodies have ASF -confirmed.
(...)
Wild Rider kit is a dual kit what you mention above is seemingly true.
I quite like them to be honest, I hope they go alongside the current treemen and are a different sort, that would be the best of both worlds. Overall though, really nice looking models IMHO with a pretty exceptional paintjob and scheme.
I'm not very familiar with the reinvented White Dwarf so a question. If they are printing the Woof Elf rules in the magazine does that mean they will also be getting their own hard cover rulebook? Or simply a digital redo like they've done with the Sisters of Battle?
As for the Treeman I find his appearance confusing. Of course that is most likely because that paint scheme is all over the place. If he were painted a more universal brownish color it would most likely appear quite a bit more awesome.
Ok, Now GW is just copying WoW.
I'm getting a strong Warcraft vibe from that thing.
Yup, looks totally like WoW's treants... Yup, JUST like them
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He said getting a "WoW vibe from them", not they look like them. The internal glow and palette for them is incredibly reminiscent of WoW treemen going from those images.
"Ok, Now GW is just copying WoW."
Direct quote, and first line in my post. Treants have been around long before WoW, and unless "tree colored" is specific to WoW (it's not), it makes no sense at all.
Quite like the new Treeman. Looks like it has borrowed a lot from the Dryads, which are my favorite Wood Elf models. I'm not a fan of the paint jobs though, much too busy and far too much color.
I still like the 3rd/4th edition treemen though (Marauder I think) although they would probably be best used as Treekin now as they are quite small compared to this new model.
The new hero looks okay.
Took me a while but now I like Treeman and Ancient Treeman. Durthu looks silly though with sword and metal claws.
Treemen look more like thorn elementals than treeman though:
It;s finally happening! And it's beautiful! I personally never liked the old treeman, he looked far to dopey and dimwitted (he had his tongue out FFS!) but these guys look suitably more magic in aspect then a tree with a face. I don't care about the rules, no matter what, i WILL be picking up a Treeman. They are. Just. Too. Pritty.
I have to admit, they're growing on me quite a bit. Particularly once I rotated the normal treeman pic to be upright. He's got some vines or something coming out of his hand on the left of the pic... pretty cool!
Spoilered below (and NOT hosted on Dakka, of course):
Yeah, I really like that base level Treeman. The branch antlers are pretty great. I think this kit is pretty great, honestly. I'll be happy to see that across the table!
I think that would probably look like a sword covered in branches, rather than a branch that is sharp enough to act as a sword, though. Still, you're right, Dryads are an amazing source for "wood elfing" many things
Excited to see the rest of the new stuff. I was never a huge fan of the old Treeman model and I think this one is great... but I'd personally go with a more uniform wood color as it looks a bit too busy as others have pointed out. I think it would look great with some leaves on as well using some of the model bush/tree foliage stuff I slap on bases. Be nice to see some new Treekin although that seems unlikely in the rumor mill.
Love love love the Treeman and Ancient. The forest spirits, Dryads and Treeman, are now some of my favorite in the game. Makes me want to pick up some Wood Elves. Maybe if the new edition adds allies it would make sense for my High Elves?
I think the Treeman would look a lot better if they didn't paint it so horridly. It's like they couldn't decide what they wanted to do with it. Yellows, browns, blues, orange, green; too many colors.
My first though was "A thorny Wraithknight." I'll like to see some better pics before I make a decision but so far I'm not impressed. That said, the old Treeman is also ugly as all hell.
Uriels_Flame wrote: "You're a shadow dancer, dancing for money, any ol music will do."
That's all I can think of seeing those pics.
I thought they would get away from the whole "we dance on poles" theme, but apparently not.
I miss my Dracha army...
That model is just an old one. I have an unpainted one kicking around somewhere.
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jah-joshua wrote: i'm all for the new look... i like that the Treeman looks dynamic, and scary... i hated the old Treeman...
new Hero is very cool... it better be plastic... it would be a good piece to paint for competition...
cheers jah
The old Treeman just looked terrible, there was no "man" to it and not really much "tree" either, it was just a pile of twisted branches.
The new one looks from the pictures like it's dancing which I don't like either. I just want something that looks like a giant lumbering tree dude, is that too much to ask? But we'll see, the pictures aren't great.
jah-joshua wrote: i'm all for the new look...
i like that the Treeman looks dynamic, and scary...
i hated the old Treeman...
new Hero is very cool...
it better be plastic...
it would be a good piece to paint for competition...
cheers
jah
Why do you constantly.....
Do this....
Its annoying....
And why don't you,.....
Write cheers Jah.....
In your signature......
Instead of writing it out every single time.....?
jah-joshua wrote: i'm all for the new look...
i like that the Treeman looks dynamic, and scary...
i hated the old Treeman...
new Hero is very cool...
it better be plastic...
it would be a good piece to paint for competition...
cheers
jah
Why do you constantly.....
Do this....
Its annoying....
And why don't you,.....
Write cheers Jah.....
In your signature......
Instead of writing it out every single time.....?
hahahahaha...
i find your rant at me very ironic, considering the poem in your sig is laid out almost exactly how i type...
I love all the pictures so far. Warhammer releases have been consistently excellent for a while now and really showing up the 40k side of things. Can people start playing now please?
jah-joshua wrote: i'm all for the new look... i like that the Treeman looks dynamic, and scary... i hated the old Treeman...
new Hero is very cool... it better be plastic... it would be a good piece to paint for competition...
cheers jah
All I read is:
new Hero very beautiful much power so wow
The new (potential) Eternal Guard looks..weird. The hand of the guy to the very left look (not Tree) giant. Now, GW has never been known for good proportions and regarding the new Treant and their other latest releases, they don't care for model quality anyway, but it still looks...strange.
jah-joshua wrote: i'm all for the new look... i like that the Treeman looks dynamic, and scary... i hated the old Treeman...
new Hero is very cool... it better be plastic... it would be a good piece to paint for competition...
cheers jah
Why do you constantly..... Do this.... Its annoying.... And why don't you,..... Write cheers Jah..... In your signature...... Instead of writing it out every single time.....?
hahahahaha...
i find your rant at me very ironic, considering the poem in your sig is laid out almost exactly how i type...
cheers jah
p.s. this thread is about cool minis...
Well, yeah, it's a poem. They tend to be organized like that.
jah-joshua wrote: i'm all for the new look... i like that the Treeman looks dynamic, and scary... i hated the old Treeman...
new Hero is very cool... it better be plastic... it would be a good piece to paint for competition...
cheers jah
All I read is:
new Hero very beautiful much power so wow
The new (potential) Eternal Guard looks..weird. The hand of the guy to the very left look (not Tree) giant. Now, GW has never been known for good proportions and regarding the new Treant and their other latest releases, they don't care for model quality anyway, but it still looks...strange.
Oh yeah, I just noticed that. He does have a popeye arm doesn't he? In fact, it looks a bit like an ork arm. Perhaps the sculptor lost the original, and had to do a last minute conversion? What's strange though is that the new WE character's proportions seem to be all in order. I don't see any monster hands or anything.
Edit: Seems that all of the other new EG have popeye arms as well.
silent25 wrote: Surprised I didn't see anyone talk about this pic already. Don't recognize the models:
Think these might be new eternal guard.
Why are the horses green? That's just stupid. Hopefully this is someone's alternate color scheme. Don't get me wrong, I love bright colored ponies (in the right context). But was GW really trying to bring MLP into WFB? This brings the whole "paint things bright colors" into the realms of parody.
The guys look... off. They look more like high elves than WE. Need a decent pic before I make any decisions. I think the popeye arm dude is supposed to be holding the spear with that arm, and he was built weird for some reason.
Why are the horses green? That's just stupid. Hopefully this is someone's alternate color scheme. Don't get me wrong, I love bright colored ponies (in the right context). But was GW really trying to bring MLP into WFB? This brings the whole "paint things bright colors" into the realms of parody.
..Or they could just be coloring them green to match the forest colors? Magical horses?
Really though, first thought was MLP? Chaos has pink, red, green, and blue/gold horses.
Love it, the new treemen look like they fit in with the dryads, and those new "eternal guard" fit the theme of Wood elves so much better. I'm sold on this one, gonna rebuild my wood elf army.
The green looks like leaf effect armour on the horses (Similar but a larger amount than they've had in the past for the WE where is was mostly a leaf effect bridle/harness).
@Cthuluspy: that was my point, subtley hinted at...
i made a good living as a poet in the 90's, and still see words on a page as a poet...
once in a while, someone on here takes a stab at me...
no big deal...
i'll just keep painting, and leave the discussions to all the English professors...
I hope these are just High Elf rejects from the 90s:
1.) Hands bigger than heads
2.) No indication that they might belong to Wood Elves (except painting the cloak green)
3.) A massive boob armour torso, because GW sculptors think that men and women have the same body form ,just add boobs.
But I have a baaad feeling.
BTW the green horses have the special rule "Friendship is Magic"
I've no problem with eternal guard being more "beefy" than the average human. For starters they ain't human, for second people who work out extensivly in the real world end up not looking like "ideal" proportioned people. If we make every model looking like they are structured around "joe average" we end up losing a lot of character within those creations; plus the armies then start to all look alike, the only difference being TINY pointed ears and some structure to the armour.
Asides you guys write like you never lived through the hay-day of fantasy pulp fiction and heroes like Conan.
There's quite a difference between Wood Elves and rampaging Barbarians, especially in regards to their body build etc. Minor difference.
The pictures aren't very good, but if they hold true, the new EG models look like utter trash with their poor proportions. I mean...the guy to the left looks like he's saying "Yo, move aside brahs, here comes the swag brigade!".
Sigvatr wrote: Or Barbarian Chaos Demon Wood Warrior Elves?
I mean, why not cover all the bases while they're at it?
You mean a Demonic barbarian dwarf warrior wood elf rat wearing lizard armour and riding an undead dragon?
No no no...
a Demonic half-ogre barbarian dwarf warrior wood elf ratman, wearing lizard armor and riding an undead dragon with an imperial helblaster strapped onto it.
Sigvatr wrote: Or Barbarian Chaos Demon Wood Warrior Elves?
I mean, why not cover all the bases while they're at it?
You mean a Demonic barbarian dwarf warrior wood elf rat wearing lizard armour and riding an undead dragon?
No no no...
a Demonic half-ogre barbarian dwarf warrior wood elf ratman, wearing lizard armor and riding an undead dragon with an imperial helblaster strapped onto it.
Hmm surely though he'd be a Demonic half-ogre barbarian dwarf warrior wood elf ratman, once bitten by a vampire; wearing lizard armor and riding an undead dragon with an imperial helblaster strapped onto it.
Also we need an artist now to draw this character - and I doth name him Minnow!
Sigvatr wrote: Or Barbarian Chaos Demon Wood Warrior Elves?
I mean, why not cover all the bases while they're at it?
You mean a Demonic barbarian dwarf warrior wood elf rat wearing lizard armour and riding an undead dragon?
No no no...
a Demonic half-ogre barbarian dwarf warrior wood elf ratman, wearing lizard armor and riding an undead dragon with an imperial helblaster strapped onto it.
Hmm surely though he'd be a Demonic half-ogre barbarian dwarf warrior wood elf ratman, once bitten by a vampire; wearing lizard armor and riding an undead dragon with an imperial helblaster strapped onto it.
Also we need an artist now to draw this character - and I doth name him Minnow!
The Dwarf was from Khemri too, and the dragon was buried in Kislev
So, he's an
Egyptian Demonic half-ogre barbarian dwarf warrior wood elf ratman, once bitten by an vampire; wearing lizard armor and riding an undead Russian dragon with an imperial helblaster strapped onto it.
jah-joshua wrote: i'm all for the new look...
i like that the Treeman looks dynamic, and scary...
i hated the old Treeman...
new Hero is very cool...
it better be plastic...
it would be a good piece to paint for competition...
cheers
jah
All I read is:
new Hero
very beautiful
much power
so wow
The new (potential) Eternal Guard looks..weird. The hand of the guy to the very left look (not Tree) giant. Now, GW has never been known for good proportions and regarding the new Treant and their other latest releases, they don't care for model quality anyway, but it still looks...strange.
Exactly, jah has been a staple of Dakka and I personally love his posting style and have no trouble reading it!
And yeah, these are nice but I'm over the initial crush . Tree kin are going to stand out like a sore thumb between the dryads and treemen.
What interests me is that they used Bretonnians in the promo video - not wholly remarkable, as the Woodelves reside in Bretonnia, but the fact they used them instead of some other force indicates they haven't completely forgotten about them, and maybe point to them getting a release close to the Woodeleves, with whom they're somewhat linked.
I wonder if we can expect another Campaign ibook to cover the Woodies and the, uh, Bretties? They brought out Border Skirmish (generic), the Underway (Skaven, Gobbos, Dwarves) and Lustria (Lizardmen and generic), suggesting that the studio regard this as a nice way to add campaign packs that don't focus so heavily on two particular races (like the old ones with the cardstock scenery and whatnot). Anyway, I can see them doing a Forest one, with lots of scenarios revolving around ambushes and chopping down terrain.
Fun fact: A friend of mine is completely colour blind and he once painted a green horse. When it was pointed out to him that horses aren't commonly green, his reply was "Really?"
I do quite like the treeman; as others have stated he has a nice ethereal feel to him.
I also wonder if these new WE models, if sticking with the ethereal aesthetic, will be used more frequent to create Exodite Eldar. I know in my area WHFB has effectively died (short of a GW store I don't frequent) and so I'm wondering if that's where I will see these guys pop up.
The Mierce one is the only one that looks remotely good. GW did well with their treeman. I applaud their efforts and it might be the first model I buy from them in months.
Why do some people seem to think that those green horses are stags? They are so obviously just Glade Riders with green Horses.
Either it is meant to be green Warpaint or they are green to represent that they are classed as forest spirits and GW wanted to apply a different visual aesthetic.
Look at how they painted the hooves like a dark sock more akin to a deer than a horse. Then if you look at the closest one you can just see what appears to be antlers on its head. Bad picture makes it very hard to tell but they could be - esp as the preview art (which was later pulled) had stag riders.
The green is most certainly armour on them just like the original mounts for WE had leaf motif armour (but much less of it).
It's Glade Riders. Take a look on the GW website and you'll see that the horses are the same. And the thing you think looks like antlers is the elf on the horse to the left. You can see fairly clearly that the brown isn't the same shade as the head protection.
Deer Cavalry would certainly make the Wood Elves distinct. In fact, it would make more sense that the forest dwellers use forest dwelling animals versus plains dwelling animals such as horses. Feels like a missed opportunity.
Overread wrote: Look at how they painted the hooves like a dark sock more akin to a deer than a horse. Then if you look at the closest one you can just see what appears to be antlers on its head. Bad picture makes it very hard to tell but they could be - esp as the preview art (which was later pulled) had stag riders.
The green is most certainly armour on them just like the original mounts for WE had leaf motif armour (but much less of it).
I wouldn't put it past GW to put out a kit with plastic horses, and include an "alternate build" that amount to sticking antlers on, painting them green, and shouting "LOOK, MAGIK DEERZ!"
Overread wrote: Look at how they painted the hooves like a dark sock more akin to a deer than a horse. Then if you look at the closest one you can just see what appears to be antlers on its head. Bad picture makes it very hard to tell but they could be - esp as the preview art (which was later pulled) had stag riders.
The green is most certainly armour on them just like the original mounts for WE had leaf motif armour (but much less of it).
I wouldn't put it past GW to put out a kit with plastic horses, and include an "alternate build" that amount to sticking antlers on, painting them green, and shouting "LOOK, MAGIK DEERZ!"
The kit in the picture is already out. It's the Glade Rider kit.
TheKbob wrote:D'aww I got excited.
Deer Cavalry would certainly make the Wood Elves distinct. In fact, it would make more sense that the forest dwellers use forest dwelling animals versus plains dwelling animals such as horses. Feels like a missed opportunity.
I'd have been lovin' me some Deer Cavalry.
Have you read the fluff about the Wood Elf horses? There are hidden glades where the horses basically run wild.
The Great Stags are magical creatures(Forest Spirit rule actually) which "only ever appear in portentous times" and they are incredibly rare.
I agree to a point that it would be cool to see a unit of them, but I think if we see them it will be a vision shift for the Wild Riders of Kurnous.
Deer Cavalry would certainly make the Wood Elves distinct. In fact, it would make more sense that the forest dwellers use forest dwelling animals versus plains dwelling animals such as horses. Feels like a missed opportunity.
I'd have been lovin' me some Deer Cavalry.
Have you read the fluff about the Wood Elf horses? There are hidden glades where the horses basically run wild.
The Great Stags are magical creatures(Forest Spirit rule actually) which "only ever appear in portentous times" and they are incredibly rare.
I agree to a point that it would be cool to see a unit of them, but I think if we see them it will be a vision shift for the Wild Riders of Kurnous.
That would imply I'm buying GW product currently... No, I don't own the Wood Elves book, so I know nothing about the fluff. Just visually, as an outsider, having an army be more visually distinct would make a sense of ownership of a faction go up. Everyone else has horses... but those Wood Elves... DEER CAVALRY! They wouldn't need to be the magical patronus stag or w/e, save a big one for a mounted IC. Just regular elk/deer models.
The new models do look great. Not trying to be negative.
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I've just linked them as images to the forum. 
