Seems odd to just paint parts of the horse bright green like that. if its just warpaint it is an odd choice as normally GW don't try doing to much of the whole freepainting on their demo armies barring writing scriptures on open book surfaces.

 Overread wrote:
Seems odd to just paint parts of the horse bright green like that. if its just warpaint it is an odd choice as normally GW don't try doing to much of the whole freepainting on their demo armies barring writing scriptures on open book surfaces.

The "bright green" is on the riders not the horses.

The horses seem to be painted black...but again that's a really crummy photo with a lot of flash.

Stag riders?
Like privateer press do it?
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/units/raptors

 Fayric wrote:
Stag riders?
Like privateer press do it?
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/units/raptors

If only those were Circle units and not Everblight. I dislike PP's aesthetic take on evil pointy ears...

GW making some stag riders? YEA BOI!

 TheKbob wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Stag riders?
Like privateer press do it?
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/units/raptors

If only those were Circle units and not Everblight. I dislike PP's aesthetic take on evil pointy ears...

GW making some stag riders? YEA BOI!

Giant stag riders. I'm convinced these will be on the same bases as demigryphs and other such units to fill the monstrous cavalry quota.

Got to say, I'm not seeing Glade Rider horses, I'm seeing stags. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

 Flashman wrote:
Got to say, I'm not seeing Glade Rider horses, I'm seeing stags. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, likely Dual Kit?

 Sasori wrote:

 Flashman wrote:
Got to say, I'm not seeing Glade Rider horses, I'm seeing stags. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, likely Dual Kit?

Dual kits are not generally done as a "repackage" but rather an entirely new thing.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Flashman wrote:
Got to say, I'm not seeing Glade Rider horses, I'm seeing stags. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, likely Dual Kit?

Dual kits are not generally done as a "repackage" but rather an entirely new thing.

Wasn't the Hydra an existing kit dual packaged with the Wyvern (or whatever the new tank is)? Or were Hydras FW?


Edit: To be clear I meant the Imperial Guard Hydra, but I suppose the DE War Hydra / Karawhatever thing also applies...

 Fayric wrote:
Stag riders?
Like privateer press do it?
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/units/raptors

This box will make GW's version look affordable: 5 standard sized cavalry for 90 $

Those are metal though

Also from the army book glimpse/preview in the white dwarf I noticed a wood elf wielding 2 axes.
It was in a "spring" clour scheme example with miniatures from different units so I couldn't tell if it's a (converted) character model or a new unit though

I'd rather say that being metal is even more of a disadvantage. Sure, it's the more expensive material, but it's a major pain in the buttocks to work with. So glad GW no longer produces metal crap.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I'd rather say that being metal is even more of a disadvantage. Sure, it's the more expensive material, but it's a major pain in the buttocks to work with. So glad GW no longer produces metal crap.

Oh I agree with this. I just wish GW price the plastic with a comparative discount

 streamdragon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Flashman wrote:
Got to say, I'm not seeing Glade Rider horses, I'm seeing stags. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, likely Dual Kit?

Dual kits are not generally done as a "repackage" but rather an entirely new thing.

Wasn't the Hydra an existing kit dual packaged with the Wyvern (or whatever the new tank is)? Or were Hydras FW?

The Hydra kit was FW originally. One could potentially make the argument for it being a "dual kit" since it uses some Chimera parts...but you can't build a Chimera from the Hydra/Wyvern kit.

Ah man, I might have to spend money on GW products. Not a fan of Sword-Treeman, but the other variants look pretty good and I think the Eternal Guard might be awesome once we see a not-crappy pic.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Yodhrin wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Look at how they painted the hooves like a dark sock more akin to a deer than a horse. Then if you look at the closest one you can just see what appears to be antlers on its head. Bad picture makes it very hard to tell but they could be - esp as the preview art (which was later pulled) had stag riders.


The green is most certainly armour on them just like the original mounts for WE had leaf motif armour (but much less of it).

I wouldn't put it past GW to put out a kit with plastic horses, and include an "alternate build" that amount to sticking antlers on, painting them green, and shouting "LOOK, MAGIK DEERZ!"

The kit in the picture is already out. It's the Glade Rider kit.

Seriously, the capitalised misspelling and laughing smiley wasn't enough? Am I going to have to start and end wee sarcy joke posts with "WARNING WARNING WARNING, SARCASTIC JOKE IN NEXT SENTENCE: [sarcasticjoke] wurdz [/sarcasticjoke] ATTENTION: SARCASM HAS CEASED"?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Flashman wrote:
Got to say, I'm not seeing Glade Rider horses, I'm seeing stags. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, likely Dual Kit?

Dual kits are not generally done as a "repackage" but rather an entirely new thing.

Wasn't the Hydra an existing kit dual packaged with the Wyvern (or whatever the new tank is)? Or were Hydras FW?

The Hydra kit was FW originally. One could potentially make the argument for it being a "dual kit" since it uses some Chimera parts...but you can't build a Chimera from the Hydra/Wyvern kit.

Most of the kits from the DE were remakes of previous kits, Witchs, Hydra, chariot. I think that it is 100% believable that they would rebox Glade Riders into a dual kit because that is what they are doing almost all the time. Dwarfs were the same way, hammers got longbeards, ironbreakers got irondrakes added. I would say that it is more believable for them to dual kit an existing model that has metal/FC parts than make a completly new box with only one unit.

The PP metals are slowly being replaced in a cheaper material. That $90 for a unit is reflective of a full unit of an infantry and their dedicated transport for GW; meaning a significant chunk of your army. The scale of cost for models is obviously not the same, but their contribution per cost is equivalent (or cheaper) for PP.

Also, some people, like artists, prefer metal. It's a much better medium to paint on. It's why a real model company, like Reaper, still produces many of their minis metal while the bones variant of the same figure is also produce. There's a market for cheaper gamer plastics and collector/painter metals. I wish GW followed this being a "model" company and all.

Shamanlord1961 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Flashman wrote:
Got to say, I'm not seeing Glade Rider horses, I'm seeing stags. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, likely Dual Kit?

Dual kits are not generally done as a "repackage" but rather an entirely new thing.

Wasn't the Hydra an existing kit dual packaged with the Wyvern (or whatever the new tank is)? Or were Hydras FW?

The Hydra kit was FW originally. One could potentially make the argument for it being a "dual kit" since it uses some Chimera parts...but you can't build a Chimera from the Hydra/Wyvern kit.

Most of the kits from the DE were remakes of previous kits, Witchs, Hydra, chariot. I think that it is 100% believable that they would rebox Glade Riders into a dual kit because that is what they are doing almost all the time. Dwarfs were the same way, hammers got longbeards, ironbreakers got irondrakes added. I would say that it is more believable for them to dual kit an existing model that has metal/FC parts than make a completly new box with only one unit.

Those were all new models/sculpts, not an existing model kit like the Glade Riders.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Yodhrin wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Look at how they painted the hooves like a dark sock more akin to a deer than a horse. Then if you look at the closest one you can just see what appears to be antlers on its head. Bad picture makes it very hard to tell but they could be - esp as the preview art (which was later pulled) had stag riders.


The green is most certainly armour on them just like the original mounts for WE had leaf motif armour (but much less of it).

I wouldn't put it past GW to put out a kit with plastic horses, and include an "alternate build" that amount to sticking antlers on, painting them green, and shouting "LOOK, MAGIK DEERZ!"

The kit in the picture is already out. It's the Glade Rider kit.

Seriously, the capitalised misspelling and laughing smiley wasn't enough? Am I going to have to start and end wee sarcy joke posts with "WARNING WARNING WARNING, SARCASTIC JOKE IN NEXT SENTENCE: [sarcasticjoke] wurdz [/sarcasticjoke] ATTENTION: SARCASM HAS CEASED"?

Yeah, people on this forum don't really take what GW says seriously anyway, so mispelling and laughy smiles are insufficient

 Kanluwen wrote:

Shamanlord1961 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Flashman wrote:
Got to say, I'm not seeing Glade Rider horses, I'm seeing stags. Guess we'll find out soon enough.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, likely Dual Kit?

Dual kits are not generally done as a "repackage" but rather an entirely new thing.

Wasn't the Hydra an existing kit dual packaged with the Wyvern (or whatever the new tank is)? Or were Hydras FW?

The Hydra kit was FW originally. One could potentially make the argument for it being a "dual kit" since it uses some Chimera parts...but you can't build a Chimera from the Hydra/Wyvern kit.

Most of the kits from the DE were remakes of previous kits, Witchs, Hydra, chariot. I think that it is 100% believable that they would rebox Glade Riders into a dual kit because that is what they are doing almost all the time. Dwarfs were the same way, hammers got longbeards, ironbreakers got irondrakes added. I would say that it is more believable for them to dual kit an existing model that has metal/FC parts than make a completly new box with only one unit.

Those were all new models/sculpts, not an existing model kit like the Glade Riders.

It's possible the Glade Riders have been redone into a dual kit ala the DE War Hydra.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I'd rather say that being metal is even more of a disadvantage. Sure, it's the more expensive material, but it's a major pain in the buttocks to work with. So glad GW no longer produces metal crap.

as much as i love plastic kits, i have absolutely no problem working with metal...
now, restic and Finecast, i wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole...
i would rather have metal than a shoddy material...

i really don't understand some people's dislike for metal...
all it takes are the right tools for the job...

that said, i am all for more kits done in GW's plastic ...

cheers
jah

I convert most of my models and metal is a major pain to work with. Resin is so much better. Like...worlds better. And cheaper. And you don't have to spray the entire model to avoid color falling off the metal just by looking at it in a wrong way.

 streamdragon wrote:

It's possible the Glade Riders have been redone into a dual kit ala the DE War Hydra.

The War Hydra wasn't really "redone into a dual kit" though.
The Dark Elf War Hydra was an entirely new sculpt done in plastic with a pretty hefty size increase compared to the previous metal/Finecast version. I can't see them redoing the already gorgeous Glade Riders just to make a dual kit.

Now, a dual kit of Wild Riders with Stag Riders? That's possible since the Wild Riders were metal/Finecast.

 Sigvatr wrote:
I convert most of my models and metal is a major pain to work with. Resin is so much better. Like...worlds better. And cheaper. And you don't have to spray the entire model to avoid color falling off the metal just by looking at it in a wrong way.

i like resin, too, as in Forge World resin, but restic and Finecast are not FW resin...

i convert a lot of models for my customers, and have no problem cutting metal:



not to mention, resin, restic, and Finecast are not cheaper...
it's all relative...
some companies produce cheaper metal minis, because it is more cost-effective to mass produce...
i find prices of boutique resins to be higher than most metal minis, but i pay the price for quality, like the Studio McVey limited editions, yet i wouldn't pay a dime for their Sedition Wars restic gaming minis...
Finecast happens to be more expensive than what the same metal minis cost before the switch...

as for paint adhering to metal, a good primer prevents problems, and a good varnish afterward protects the paintjob...

i'm not trying to be a jerk, i'm just saying i love plastic and proper resin, but hate restic and Finecast, and have no problem with metal...
so, let's see some more plastic Wood Elves...

cheers
jah

 jah-joshua wrote:

 Da krimson barun wrote:

 jah-joshua wrote:
i'm all for the new look...
i like that the Treeman looks dynamic, and scary...
i hated the old Treeman...

new Hero is very cool...
it better be plastic...
it would be a good piece to paint for competition...

cheers
jah

Why do you constantly.....
Do this....
Its annoying....
And why don't you,.....
Write cheers Jah.....
In your signature......
Instead of writing it out every single time.....?

hahahahaha...

i find your rant at me very ironic, considering the poem in your sig is laid out almost exactly how i type...

cheers
jah

p.s. this thread is about cool minis...

I did that on purpose....

nice, Da krimson baron, except you didn't get my typing style right...
each line is a complete sentence, and questions get question marks...

can we get back to the minis now???

cheers
jah

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Fayric wrote:
Stag riders?
Like privateer press do it?
http://privateerpress.com/hordes/gallery/legion-of-everblight/units/raptors

This box will make GW's version look affordable: 5 standard sized cavalry for 90 $

Not to mention, there is only 3 uniqe riders since two of them are doubles. And knowing PP the parts are horrible to glue nicely together.
I actually like the design alot, but, yeah, I stick to GW.
(by the way, anyone wanting stag riders by GW should look at the horrible bull like stag some lord is riding and pray GW stay out of the animal sculpting bussiness)

The paint jobs on those big guys is woeful. And the skull belt on the first. Really?
Will hold judgement until a better scheme is seen.
Underwhelmed initially.....

 Sigvatr wrote:
I convert most of my models and metal is a major pain to work with. Resin is so much better. Like...worlds better. And cheaper. And you don't have to spray the entire model to avoid color falling off the metal just by looking at it in a wrong way.

I don't convert most my models so I prefer metal. Even FW resin, it takes me many times longer to prep a FW model for painting than a similar metal or plastic model. Let alone finecrap, I spent an hour tonight greenstuffing this damned Lord Commissar model just to fill the miscasts and bubbles.


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 Ratius wrote:
The paint jobs on those big guys is woeful. And the skull belt on the first. Really?
Will hold judgement until a better scheme is seen.
Underwhelmed initially.....

I didn't notice the skull belt at first, now I've seen it I can't unsee it

The second guy has a leaf addage instead so I assume its optional.
Phew!

I'm thinking I'll probably leave the loincloth off completely.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm thinking I'll probably leave the loincloth off completely.

You sick bastard! There are kids that play this game, man! Think of the kids!

The last thing children need to see when they walk into the game store is your filthy tree man's twig and berries.

Not too sure about the models, have to wait and see them in the flesh.

weeble1000 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm thinking I'll probably leave the loincloth off completely.

You sick bastard! There are kids that play this game, man! Think of the kids!

The last thing children need to see when they walk into the game store is your filthy tree man's twig and berries.

But it's for WYSIWYG reasons.

How else is the Treeman supposed to do a tree whack?

I'm in. WHFB is now a game I am going to play.

I have been waiting for a Wood Elves update, and now, here it is. Now I have to get the books and learn the rules. Wish me luck, and bless me with more money so that I may actually build an army.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm thinking I'll probably leave the loincloth off completely.

Now back to discussing the miniatures

Everyone knows that leaving the loincloth off gives the miniature the Fear USR and a reroll to armor penetration.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Everyone knows that leaving the loincloth off gives the miniature the Fear USR and a reroll to armor penetration.

You get to reroll for penetration, but I'm not sure it's for the armor.

Really looking forward to this release. Even more curious to find out what kind of shooting benefits they get.

riburn3 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Everyone knows that leaving the loincloth off gives the miniature the Fear USR and a reroll to armor penetration.

You get to reroll for penetration, but I'm not sure it's for the armor.

Really looking forward to this release. Even more curious to find out what kind of shooting benefits they get.

I'm not really frond of this humor, guys.

riburn3 wrote:
Even more curious to find out what kind of shooting benefits they get.

Yet another reason to leave the loincloth off

But yeah, the main thing I want from my WE AB is to be able to darken the sky with arrows fired from skirmishing tree huggers... and for it to actually be effective... then follow up with a bunch of walking trees that stomp things and some crazy pole dancing tree huggers that slice things up. Interested to see what they do with it.

I think Wood Elves (and Bretonnians) are one of the few Fantasy armies with a really unique play style, I hope they continue to be unique and also a viable competitive army.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Everyone knows that leaving the loincloth off gives the miniature the Fear USR and a reroll to armor penetration.

I thought the Treeman was a Monster which means he probably has Terror.

Treeman: "Invading my realm? Don't you see how big I am?"

Bretonnian Knight 1: "Yeah, I do. Put some clothes on."

Bretonnian Knight 2: "Dude, I think he meant overall."

Bretonnian Knight 1: "Trust me, that's not what he meant."

New stuff from Warseer


http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=191930&d=1398217861


http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=191929

Clearer pic of the stags, plus a lovely two page spread from the Army book

Looks like a new character with 2 axes.

Still can't really see the stags. The wardancer is old, though not currently on the GW site, maybe they're releasing it in failcast?

Well it's safe to say those really are stags and not just green horses

Agreed... not big stags, but clearly not horses, even from that terrible pic.

Still amazed in todays technology age people can still take pictures that are WORSE than cellphones took 10 years ago.. It sure is skill to be so bad at cell phone picturing taking.

Or it's a clever ploy since most 'rumor' pictures are terrible

It can be tricky to take photos of a book if you don't understand lighting and the pages are glossy, even if you have a good camera. I recently couldn't be bothered scanning a book so just tried to photograph it with a decent point and shoot camera (better than a phone) and it took me a while to find somewhere with appropriate lighting that didn't give a reflection and every few pages still managed to be blurry for one reason or another.

 Wilytank wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Everyone knows that leaving the loincloth off gives the miniature the Fear USR and a reroll to armor penetration.

I thought the Treeman was a Monster which means he probably has Terror.

Treeman: "Invading my realm? Don't you see how big I am?"

Bretonnian Knight 1: "Yeah, I do. Put some clothes on."

Bretonnian Knight 2: "Dude, I think he meant overall."

Bretonnian Knight 1: "Trust me, that's not what he meant."

It literally took me 5 minutes to post this due to laughter, you sir, win the internet.

I don't think I've ever been so excited about a GW release before.

Well, these new pics of the treeman painted in much saner colors are a huge improvement,

Still not sure of the reindeer rider, and thisgreen paint scheme is simply atrocious.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Look at how they painted the hooves like a dark sock more akin to a deer than a horse. Then if you look at the closest one you can just see what appears to be antlers on its head. Bad picture makes it very hard to tell but they could be - esp as the preview art (which was later pulled) had stag riders.


The green is most certainly armour on them just like the original mounts for WE had leaf motif armour (but much less of it).

I wouldn't put it past GW to put out a kit with plastic horses, and include an "alternate build" that amount to sticking antlers on, painting them green, and shouting "LOOK, MAGIK DEERZ!"

It could be a three way kit if you add flight bases and a chariot you can have the chaos warrior flying chariot of tzeentch with sorcerer lord Claus riding in it.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, these new pics of the treeman painted in much saner colors are a huge improvement,
.

Indeed.


One could almost say that it's growing on you.

Looks like a decent release, for a change. GW is a bit hit and miss with their designs, I'm happy to see they can still pull a 'classic' theme without totally fething it up with weird new units

 reds8n wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, these new pics of the treeman painted in much saner colors are a huge improvement,
.

Indeed.


One could almost say that it's growing on you.

You deserve to be tarred, feathered, and sent to Doncaster for a holiday, for that joke!

Anyway, back OT.

I'm not seeing horses or stags. I'm seeing wooden/forest spirit horses made from twigs and branches, hence why they're green. Or at least I'm seeing them how I'd do them.

Love the treeman though. As noted, it's a bit avatar, but definitely something I would buy if I was still into warhammer.

Oh yes the new pictures look good - and those are very clearly stags or some sort of mythical mount!

Darn it do I really need 2 kidneys anyone want one?

There are some sort of blurry elk cavalry in one of the new pics, but those are different models than the green horses in the first pic. Green horses that people thought were elks were just old WE horses painted green.

Almost thought we get plastic treekin, but seems only to be a trick of perspective on the pic in the lower right:

Seems to be a mixed reaction to the treemen kits, personally I quite like them though they do look like a bit of a nightmare to paint! Its pretty weird seeing all those old 'metal' models next to them though, wonder if finecast isnt as finished with as people suspected.

Must admit I'm surprised - that said WE haven't had any attention in so long chances are htey wanted new things on the table more than they wanted to revise old models; plus with a near whole line to revise that's a fair bit of work.

Never mind, fake pages

The treeman's pose looks terrible. Just like the entire model. It looks like a general leading an army and not like an actual treant, a slow but strong force of nature itself. Its pose is way too dynamic and theremore makes it look less powerful and "primeval" than the older ones.

I thought about starting a WE army, but right now, I am severely disappointed with the new models so far, but fortunately, they are relatively easy to proxy due to a lot of alternative models. Still kinda sad about how GW does not seem to care anymore about its model's quality.

I think we have to draw a line between the concept of "quality" and "style".

A model might not have the style we perhaps like but can still be a quality model. Asides its hard to tell quality on models when you can't see them in the flesh and only hae blurry photos of photos to judged them by.

Kolbalt266 wrote:
15 pages from wood elf book, in Italian

Found on http://eltallerdeyila.blogspot.com.es/2014/04/imagenes-del-libro-de-ejercito-de-elfos.html

Spoiler:

This army book pages are a fake or a fanmade book. In Spanish forums we were trying this case yesterday:

http://www.marcusbeli.es/ElBaluarte/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=24706&start=675

And:

http://warhammeraqui.mforos.com/389007/11280967-rumores-de-elfos-silvanos-solo-rumores/

Yes, the artwork doesn't look like something from GW.

The bit where it says that mages can generate from the lore of athel loren or the 8 rulebook lores kinda gave it away.

 Overread wrote:
I think we have to draw a line between the concept of "quality" and "style".

A model might not have the style we perhaps like but can still be a quality model. Asides its hard to tell quality on models when you can't see them in the flesh and only hae blurry photos of photos to judged them by.

Don't be ridiculous. Clearly, if something does not perfectly match one's expectations, it objectively sucks on all conceivable levels.

 Overread wrote:
I think we have to draw a line between the concept of "quality" and "style".

A model might not have the style we perhaps like but can still be a quality model. Asides its hard to tell quality on models when you can't see them in the flesh and only hae blurry photos of photos to judged them by.

I was coming from a WE perspective. The new treants clearly break with the old concept, or style, and the generic definition of treants. The new pose is "generic general pose" and shows a sincere lack of "feel" for a unit. It makes it look generic and not unique or characteristic.

The "generic General Pose" model is the Treeman Ancient- A Lord choice. Therefore I'm assuming it was posed with that look in mind.
From the other pics I've seen, the new model looks to have a fair amount of posability, at least in the arms and head. Even if this flexibility doesn't extent to the legs, it's a plastic model and this easy to convert. You should be able to get your primal, unstoppable force of nature pose from the model with only a little effort

Leggy wrote:
The "generic General Pose" model is the Treeman Ancient- A Lord choice. Therefore I'm assuming it was posed with that look in mind.
From the other pics I've seen, the new model looks to have a fair amount of posability, at least in the arms and head. Even if this flexibility doesn't extent to the legs, it's a plastic model and this easy to convert. You should be able to get your primal, unstoppable force of nature pose from the model with only a little effort

Precisely!

Furthermore, you could just use one of the superior non-GW treant models which there are pleny of.

I think that these new sculpts make the Treemen look far more fluid and this keeps in line with the Dryads. The old Treeman had an ugly, ungainly model that wanted to stand on 3 legs and had his Frikkin' tongue hanging out, these majestic powerful sculpts are far and above what we could of hoped for.

Exactly, I think WE have always wanted that swift, slender, fluid look to all their models, as if you'd ride through their forest and you'd be hit by a blade or snatched by a tree before you could scream "what the?".

Chances are with some "fluff" you can leaf up the treeman and from the look of it the kit will have a lot of optional parts so you'd be able to custom him a great deal! Plus he's a tree, so I suspect he'd be easy to convert to have extra arms or limbs or branches.

I get what people are saying; the look has changed and there is a great diversity in what a "tree man" should look like. Nothing wrong in that, it just means different artists ahve taken different directions.

That Treeman looks as if a tree was posessed by a Demon. It looks fast, powerful, evil and bloodthirsty.

It's beautiful and glorious in so many different levels <3

Are the stags monster cav? Can't tell from that fuzzy pic.

I'd say that some of these are going to be on the "hit" side of GW recent "hit and miss" pattern. Dang they can make super cool models from time to time.

The tree swordsman makes me want to bellow and prentend crush things in my house in slow mo monster fashion.

Damn, I am digging that Treeman! I'm looking forward to seeing the other models as well, but I'm especially digging Durthu. A sword and claw wielding bad-ass tree? Yes, please.

 Overread wrote:
Must admit I'm surprised - that said WE haven't had any attention in so long chances are htey wanted new things on the table more than they wanted to revise old models; plus with a near whole line to revise that's a fair bit of work.

AFAIK most Wood Elf players actually still like the current range of models with few exceptions (treeman, treekin, giant stag with wrong antlers), so a complete redo is not necessary. A nice plastic treeman is welcome though plus potential replacements for metal models.

But what Wood Elf players really need is rules that work in 8th edition, as the current ones are nigh unplayable. We will see if GW provides that.

Also, as said, I am in the camp of people liking the new treeman / thorn elemental, and I will buy one or two of them, to cover all variants (except Durthu ).

Kroothawk - agreed I never said old models were outright bad, its more a surprise that after GW announced that they were phasing out finecast that they'd still do an army re-release containing a fair amount of finecast models.

About the current range... literally almost everything in the range is mail order only from GW, right? What does that mean, exactly? Does that mean that I can't buy them from my FLGS?

 Tangent wrote:
About the current range... literally almost everything in the range is mail order only from GW, right? What does that mean, exactly? Does that mean that I can't buy them from my FLGS?

I'd wait to pass that judgment when they officially announce the Wood Elves. At the moment from an official position we're still in "what does that totally mysterious trailer mean?" mode. I'd imagine when the new army book hits the shelves you'll be able to get things in store.

I feel bad that I'm not blown away and excited about what we've seen so far, and I wonder if my expectations were too high.

Treeman: I don't hate it, but I'm not excited by it. It looks very (overly?) complicated and I'm already thinking that it will be a nightmare to paint. I'm also assuming that it's build along Wraithknight lines in that it has a standard pose, but has conversion potential. I don't know, I need to see a better picture of it. I do like how it's more Dryad-like though.

Hero: it's the WElf version of the latest Eldar Farseer - pointing into the distance, flaring cloak with spear. It's pretty static...

Stag riders: I know it's a terrible picture, but they look very cute... eyes very large. Not sold on them yet at all. (and why paint them green? I don't understand. No, I do, it's the whole forest = green thing, but I don't need to be clubbed over the head with that concept.)

What I WANTED was a super-cool new set of Wardancers in plastic with really dynamic poses... maybe still on their way?

 reds8n wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, these new pics of the treeman painted in much saner colors are a huge improvement,
.

Indeed.


One could almost say that it's growing on you.

yeah, it seems the paint scheme was the root of the problem

What can i say, it’s about time. Models look cool. I believe that the pictures of all the new gw kits never do the models justice. Wait until you see the sprues.

To be fair all we have at the moment is snapshots of photos

 streetsamurai wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, these new pics of the treeman painted in much saner colors are a huge improvement.

Indeed.
One could almost say that it's growing on you.

yeah, it seems the paint scheme was the root of the problem

I also blame the painting branch
But maybe we should leaf it at that

I really like the new Treeman - could work as is or as an Exodite Wraith Kinght / Avatar maybe

The tree man looks ok, I think people are judging it too harsly. At least its not fine cast nor a heafty metal model.

The problem with the Treeman is it does not look like an Initiative 2 model. GW have always gone for the big, slow, lumbering Treeman in their fluff. Dryads, by contrast, are fast and quick attacking (Ini6 and 2 Attacks from a slightly larger than man-sized creature).

The way this Treeman is posed it looks like a Wraithknight made of wood. Which in itself isn't bad, if it weren't for the fact it looks again like a fast agile creature, not a slow lumbering behemoth.

That's my main problem with the new Treeman. Also not a huge fan of the face.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well, these new pics of the treeman painted in much saner colors are a huge improvement.

Indeed.
One could almost say that it's growing on you.

yeah, it seems the paint scheme was the root of the problem

I also blame the painting branch
But maybe we should leaf it at that

Don't blame them, they're just some poor Saps, following orders.

I actually think the treeman will be a very hard model to paint well. It looks like there's too many things going on with the model, too chaotic (in the artistic sense rather than the faction). Though I'd like to see the model before I make any judgements on that point as all the pictures are pretty average.

The treeman/spirit looks more like a chaos creation than a wood elf creation to me or is it secretly a Dark elf one?

that camera work on the 1st series of pictures is just great, I mean ... it looks like somebody stuck their greasy fingers all over the lens and then took a picture of "text" and highly detailed miniatures.. yeah... this is good for them.

Heard talk of a new unit called the sisters of the thorn coming after the next week

 cyphertheory wrote:
Heard talk of a new unit called the sisters of the thorn coming after the next week

Where'd you hear that?

 Tangent wrote:

 cyphertheory wrote:
Heard talk of a new unit called the sisters of the thorn coming after the next week

Where'd you hear that?

On the (grape)vine.

 TheFireDrake wrote:
What can i say, it’s about time. Models look cool. I believe that the pictures of all the new gw kits never do the models justice. Wait until you see the sprues.

Spruce?

Not read the rest of the thread but wood Elves use high and dark magic, but with unique WE lore attributes

Man people need to leave out all these puns, they're really making me pine for some intelligent discussion.

Leaf em be. They're all just feeling a bit Grovey

*gets coat

Some Better Treemen pics

So... when, exactly, did Guillarmo del Torro start working for Games Workshop?

Why does one have a ginger beard and why is Duruthu full of fire?

It's an interesting take but maybe a bit too far into 'wood elemental' type of thing. Much better than the previous excuse for an animated tree monster.

Love it! Time to bust out my Wood Elves!

Well those confirm my initial impression

Really nice new mini but far better suited to being an elder avatar than a Treeman

which is good and bad in equal measures

New pictures only reinforcing my initial opinion. Look nothing like a tree giant but more like anything out of 40k, Eldar stuff. Far too dynamic and frail, neither representing the model's lore nor its stat values. Poor execution. Call in the proxies!

You're all bark-ing up the wrong tree(man).

This is about a strong aesthetic, this is about recognizable IP and removing the ability of 3rd parties to produce models to accompany them without clearly stepping into their 'look' and leafing themselves open to legal recourse.

I personally like the models well enough. I think what's letting them down rather strongly is the paint jobs with all the bright blues, oranges etc instead of going for muted greens and browns, which would make these models look far better imo.

I also think Raging Heroes (not) Treekin will be a great accompany to these and the Dryads.

 RandyMcStab wrote:
Man people need to leave out all these puns, they're really making me pine for some intelligent discussion.

Yea, I wood rather just discuss the products. This discussion is going way out on a limb.

So, Stag Riders and Eternal Guard/Wild Wood Rangers coming up for preorder soon?

Guess how Wood Elves and the treeman are called in the German armybook?
Wood Elves and treeman! No translation at all! Even the armybook has an English name. How lazy is that!

BTW this trend started with Astra Miltarum, where all units have the English names untranslated.

Kolbalt266 wrote:
Some Better Treemen pics

I really like this new look. It makes them less "animated trees" and more "forest spirits".

I also like that one of the Treemen(the one with the staff) might be implying that Treemen can be spellcasters.

I'm not a fan of the new Treeman look. An uprooted version of this would be much more my style.

Yeah, that's where I'm at, Alex. These are sweet 40k Eldar models, though as Orlando says.

MGS, I agree about the Raging Heroes "treekin", I think they'll see a significant increase in sales since they match this look much better than the GW treekin.

Looks like I have a new model for my Avatar of Khaine!

Thanks for the better pics. Hopefully some awesome painter will use some more muted tones and change my opinion on the Treedar.

Yeah, I agree with the general (but not unanimous) sentiment above in that the treeman looks off. He just doesn't look like a tree for me but some twisted chaos version instead. Eh, if a guy made of wood wants to no longer look like a tree but instead a mass of mutated twisted vines and use weapons made using the burnt remains of his distant relatives then so be it.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Guess how Wood Elves and the treeman are called in the German armybook?
Wood Elves and treeman! No translation at all! Even the armybook has an English name. How lazy is that!

BTW this trend started with Astra Miltarum, where all units have the English names untranslated.

Really Surprised about that. Was Walden Elfen (Wood Elves) too hard? However Baumman (Tree-man) doesn't sound like something a german would say.

 cyphertheory wrote:
Heard talk of a new unit called the sisters of the thorn coming after the next week

I wouldn't be at all surprised if GW changed their Dryad units to somethng like this: it's the same reasoning as MGS went into above, "Dryad" is a fundamentally weak IP. It's an ancient idea and basically anyone can make a tree-woman sculpt.

"Sisters of the Thorn", however, is a much more fanciful, and thus protect-able, property. These days a lot of GW's ideas only really make complete sense if you understand their corporate IP stategy.


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 Coyote81 wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Guess how Wood Elves and the treeman are called in the German armybook?
Wood Elves and treeman! No translation at all! Even the armybook has an English name. How lazy is that!

BTW this trend started with Astra Miltarum, where all units have the English names untranslated.

Really Surprised about that. Was Walden Elfen (Wood Elves) too hard? However Baumman (Tree-man) doesn't sound like something a german would say.

Acrually, this may be another example of IP strategy: translating the names makes it seem the names are descriptive, that is, the unit is simply one embodiment of a general idea, rather then a trademark.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Well those confirm my initial impression

Really nice new mini but far better suited to being an elder avatar than a Treeman

which is good and bad in equal measures

That's exactly what I thought when I saw the pics.

I have the WD in hand and noticed that no-one seems to have commented on Naestra and Arahan being on the cover of the Limited Edition book. On foot too...

Also, an article mentions Araloth being able to re-roll 1's to wound when in a wood, which isn't in his specific rule set. Could this indicate that being an army wide rule similar to what we've seen with the Dark and High Elves?

 Kroothawk wrote:
Guess how Wood Elves and the treeman are called in the German armybook?
Wood Elves and treeman! No translation at all! Even the armybook has an English name. How lazy is that!

BTW this trend started with Astra Miltarum, where all units have the English names untranslated.

Was the IG codex really translated? 'Cause in French we had that with the "Astra Militarum" book

Acrually, this may be another example of IP strategy: translating the names makes it seem the names are descriptive, that is, the unit is simply one embodiment of a general idea, rather then a trademark.

That's probably closer to the truth than being lazy. If gw makes everything a proper noun then it protects trademark easier.

Personnally I got the Tyranids book in English because some units names were translated awfully, and for the next books it won't matter anymore! A win-win situation!

Nice palette GW. WTH are they thinking over there? It's a block of wood, not a peacock. I can't wait to see some talented painters attack this Treeman kit with season colour schemes. That's my favorite part of Wood Elves.

Trees are not all dull and brown and grey unless you're in Skyrim.

Bright gaudy colours are very much present; and considering the general vibrant theme that GW has it makes sense that their treemen take after a more autumnal or brilliant colour scheme.

but yes it will be great to see these models in different schemes - the deer I think would look great without the bright green manes

Removed.

I am realy liking the trees ! May have to get a few for my deamons as well as my wood elves :0 I hope they are not 100$ each here :$

Also about looking like trees honestly if some of the trees around here started walking, I sure they would look mean like that :d not majestic

 Overread wrote:
Trees are not all dull and brown and grey unless you're in Skyrim.

Bright gaudy colours are very much present; and considering the general vibrant theme that GW has it makes sense that their treemen take after a more autumnal or brilliant colour scheme.

but yes it will be great to see these models in different schemes - the deer I think would look great without the bright green manes

I'm not familiar with many trees that have blue, orange and/or purple bark.

Saldiven wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Trees are not all dull and brown and grey unless you're in Skyrim.

Bright gaudy colours are very much present; and considering the general vibrant theme that GW has it makes sense that their treemen take after a more autumnal or brilliant colour scheme.

but yes it will be great to see these models in different schemes - the deer I think would look great without the bright green manes

I'm not familiar with many trees that have blue, orange and/or purple bark.

I'm not familiar with many dragons, orcs, elves or dwarves.

Saldiven wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Trees are not all dull and brown and grey unless you're in Skyrim.

Bright gaudy colours are very much present; and considering the general vibrant theme that GW has it makes sense that their treemen take after a more autumnal or brilliant colour scheme.

but yes it will be great to see these models in different schemes - the deer I think would look great without the bright green manes

I'm not familiar with many trees that have blue, orange and/or purple bark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucalyptus_deglupta

And what could be a more angry tree than the endangered Eucalyptus!

There's also Prunus serrula with its reddy coloured trunk.

 Overread wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucalyptus_deglupta

And what could be a more angry tree than the endangered Eucalyptus!

"Endangered"?

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Overread wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucalyptus_deglupta

And what could be a more angry tree than the endangered Eucalyptus!

"Endangered"?

Wait I'm mixing up Koalas and trees or something

Let's change that to slaved for the use of mankind for paper and oils! Yes trees in slavery chains!

Trees can look really weird with fungi and odd growths and strange colorations. I suppose they take up al kinds of strange metals and stuff from the ground that react with oxide and glucose and chemical stuff i dont know about.

Anyway, the models shown are clearly magical spirits in forrest aspect, and not living walking trees.

Not to mention Lichen. Which is said "Like en" for some reason.

I mean, it's not called Laikenstein...

Saldiven wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Trees are not all dull and brown and grey unless you're in Skyrim.

Bright gaudy colours are very much present; and considering the general vibrant theme that GW has it makes sense that their treemen take after a more autumnal or brilliant colour scheme.

but yes it will be great to see these models in different schemes - the deer I think would look great without the bright green manes

I'm not familiar with many trees that have blue, orange and/or purple bark.

Here's a bright red and green tree I see often in my work in the tropics. Sometimes called the Gringo Tree because it peels like a sunburned tourist.

Here are the colorful madrone and manzanita trees that can be found all over the area where I grew up

Check out the amazing color on this Japanese Coral Bark Maple tree

Blue bark is admittedly something I have never seen, but a variety of purple-red-orange type colors is not even that rare in some parts of the world.


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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Not to mention Lichen. Which is said "Like en" for some reason.

I mean, it's not called Laikenstein...

Probably because it's spelled LiechTenstein. Has nothing to do with lichen, which has a Greek word-origin.

 Buzzsaw wrote:

 Coyote81 wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Guess how Wood Elves and the treeman are called in the German armybook?
Wood Elves and treeman! No translation at all! Even the armybook has an English name. How lazy is that!

BTW this trend started with Astra Miltarum, where all units have the English names untranslated.

Really Surprised about that. Was Walden Elfen (Wood Elves) too hard? However Baumman (Tree-man) doesn't sound like something a german would say.

Acrually, this may be another example of IP strategy: translating the names makes it seem the names are descriptive, that is, the unit is simply one embodiment of a general idea, rather then a trademark.

It is "Waldelfen" and "Baummensch" in the current edition.
And the new texts in German WD and rulebooks read like google-translations without a human editor fixing the difficult words.
Maybe because that's what it is. Another sign that GW has lost interest in the non-English markets (if that needs more confirmation after the closure of all non-UK HQs). Another unprovoked and unexpected way to artificially lose customers.

US GW HQ is still open.

Oryza Sativa- I don't usually think "tropics" when I think of wood elves, though (referring to one of your examples). I also am looking forward to seeing these painted in more muted / earthy tones.

Not really sure if I like that treeman model or not.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
The treeman/spirit looks more like a chaos creation than a wood elf creation to me or is it secretly a Dark elf one?

Well it is a Daemon possessed tree, so...

No, it's not. Forest Spirits aren't daemonic in nature, they're possessed of an entirely different form of sapience derived from the genius loci of the forest itself. I guess you could say they're "daemons of athel loren", but they're not Warp-based entities.

So they "kinda" are Demon-posessed trees. Uh, I don't know any Wood Elf fluff, this surprises me.

Well, once more I have to say that model is gorgeous. I'd love to have one for Pathfinder campaigns, but I'm certain if I did that we'd start encountering hostile ents more often. DMs and strange coincidences, I guess

I absolutely love the new treeman. Pretty much the first one I've ever seen that I really liked. Really feels much more like an angry spirit rather than just an animated tree. I agree that some more muted paint schemes would be getter though.

pgmason wrote:
I absolutely love the new treeman. Pretty much the first one I've ever seen that I really liked. Really feels much more like an angry spirit rather than just an animated tree. I agree that some more muted paint schemes would be getter though.

It's miles better than the previous GW offerings... however that's not saying much, I still think it's bad compared to a lot of other visualisations of treeman type things and I still think it doesn't suit the "slow lumbering angry tree" thing that GW have been using for their Treemen. If they changed the fluff so that tree things are actually fast agile angry trees, this fits that aesthetic better, but I don't think they've done that.

I have to say I tried, but I can't like the new treeman... any idea on the size of that thing? Height and base size?

Truth is, if I'm going for an anthropomorphic treeman, I might as well go here:



I am happy they are keeping the Eternal Guard on the book, though (I got like 40 of those, and the metal ones are beautiful models) and I really want to see the wild riders and the new troops we can make with the dual kits...

That miniature looks awesome! It might be too big though...sadly.

JMMelo wrote:

Truth is, if I'm going for an anthropomorphic treeman, I might as well go here:

I'm afraid there are certain anatomical features that mean that can't be a treeman

So you think treewomen don't have what it takes to be a treeman? SEXIST!









/e: I am making a joke here and not a serious claim. Just making sure.

A clearer image of this new unit:

So those are like halberds?

Via Natfka via Lord Anathir on Warseer

"Confirmed rumour from a PDF copy"
rumours are not from me, I just copied and pasted from wargamer.au

archers are same as before except they now skirmish and all bows are glade guard longbows; re roll all ones to hit and wound

dryads still skirmish have a 6+ Ward save and can upgrade their unit champion to a treekin - tasty.

Also archers champ has a new optional rule - asrai prowess - which gives them a mini bow of Loren - 3D3 str4 shots once per game - not bad for 25 points !!! "

"Lore attribute is to either move forests or opponents take 2D6 Str 2 KB hits for all opponent units in forests. Match with shadow magic and Ouch! Also interesting on the treemen - all I'll say is Optimus Vine is not far from the truth smile.gif . Old riders are there - but you C&A. Upgrade to stag riders. monstrous Cav - 3 Str 5, move 8. MR 1 and 5+WS"

"12 points for 2Str5 AP attacks with WS5I6 for the glaive unit"

Hmmm I'm really irritated with the new model concepts. The units that formerly were and still should be powerful, but slow beings, emitting a fearful presence, now look like agile and swift fighters. Treemen.

Formerly swift and agile fighters now look like regular off the mill, row-by-row fighters. With giant hands / arms.

Man, I wanted to start WE and the new models are terrible :(

 Tangent wrote:
So those are like halberds?

They look more like two handed axes, but forget the weapons, what about that colour scheme!

God, that looks awful, like it was painted by a blind man on a moonless night.

Lime...

I think the models looks awesome! color scheme could be better for sure, but the models themselves look great. Like they could be ready to spring in to action at any time.

I dig it.

"Wood you be-leaf it, White Dwarf is out tomorrow."

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/blog/blog.jsp

Give that write a medal. Cannot wait until tomorrow, finally gonna break in my new GW account. And break my bank balance...

They look like bardiches.

Lime...

My goodness those Eternal Guard/whatever they are are DULL. High Elf aesthetics with a green cloak. Beginning to get very disappointed with this release.

So these Glaive guys are the other option on the eternal guard box? I dont hate them, but they look very beefy for WE Miht take a few of my old ones and convert

Any idea on the base size for the stag riders?

 Tangent wrote:
So those are like halberds?

I think you'll find that's Halberds™

 Tangent wrote:
So those are like halberds?

No. They look like the LOTR elves's glaives.

 azreal13 wrote:

 Tangent wrote:
So those are like halberds?

I think you'll find that's Halberds™

HHHalberds™ surely .

Infantry looks alright to me.

Guessing they must/will have alternate weapons or another build..?

 reds8n wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 Tangent wrote:
So those are like halberds?

I think you'll find that's Halberds™

HHHalberds™ surely .

Infantry looks alright to me.

Guessing they must/will have alternate weapons or another build..?

Oh come on guys. That's old hat. These days GW just invests nonsense words and phrases for everything. Those weapons are probably Wefluten Axnomen or Chop Slashers, or something.

No no no....They are spear axes of spearaxing.

So you can spear intruders while your axing when you axe with your spear.

Bat'leths on a stick so the treckers can't sue

JMMelo wrote:


Any idea on the base size for the stag riders?

In the WD pic with them in the background they are ranked up as close as the Glade Riders are, appearing to be on 25x50mm bases.

I wouldn't be surprised if these were Wild Rider replacements or part of a Dual Kit with Wild Riders.

A horse and a stag have very different body structures - I'd expect them to be their own thing unless the wild-riders are now mounted on stags.

 Overread wrote:
A horse and a stag have very different body structures - I'd expect them to be their own thing unless the wild-riders are now mounted on stags.

Men and women have different body shapes - but GW did Sisters of Avalorn / Shadow Warriors - I think they will just have different heads.................

The pre-orders are up on the GW site if you want some nice zoom inspections of the new models.

The Shadowdancer is Finecast?
We havent had any of that since Lizardmen (except Hobbit)

Chad Warden wrote:
The Shadowdancer is Finecast?
We havent had any of that since Lizardmen (except Hobbit)

And that's a whole bunch of rumors busted.

Still suffers from good ole GW "sculpt a dude and glue boobs on" syndrome though.

GW's female heads continue to be terrible. :/

Interesting that the Wardancers are still metal.

Interesting how they state Finecast when all the others were changed to just state resin.

Also I'd love a poster of either of these:

 Cyporiean wrote:
GW's female heads continue to be terrible. :/

You can't really "continue to be terrible" when these aren't new models, IMO.

Interesting that the Wardancers are still metal.

Not really. They went to Direct Only quite some time ago so they probably still have a ton of metal stock left over.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
GW's female heads continue to be terrible. :/

You can't really "continue to be terrible" when these aren't new models, IMO.

Fair enough, didn't realize she wasn't new as my Welfs never used Wardancers.

I guess it wasn't worth them casting new Finecast molds for the Wardancers. They can probably make them in metal now since its a tiny part of their product line so fluctuations in price won't hit them too hard.

Also interesting that they've not put up a battleforce/armyforce - guess we have to wait till the next wave for that

Pre Orders are up

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Warhammer?N=102295+4294967192+4294966464&Nu=product.repositoryId&qty=12&sorting=phl&view=table

I don't think it was pointed out, but the spell cards are Dark and High magic rather than Lore of avel loren or whatever it used to be.

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
I don't think it was pointed out, but the spell cards are Dark and High magic rather than Lore of avel loren or whatever it used to be.

It was actually pointed out. Apparently this incarnation of the Wood Elves use both Dark and High Magic, which is kind of neat.

They even managed to slip in a price increase. I'm impressed.

 -DE- wrote:
They even managed to slip in a price increase. I'm impressed.

On what? The Wardancers or something else?

Is that Treeman priced reasonably? Or are my expectations of GW so skewed now that I can't tell...

EDIT: Hey, also the LE WE book is $90 instead of the typical $100. I guess GW is even feeling a little tepid about this army update.

 Accolade wrote:
Is that Treeman priced reasonably? Or are my expectations of GW so skewed now that I can't tell...

Define "reasonably". I'm willing to buy two or three, YMMV.

As an aside, I'm assuming that three hag rumour is bunk? Or are we going to see two big kits here?

I guess they decided the ent-like aesthetic was too cool for the WE book. :(

I honestly like the models less having seen the high res website pics.

Or maybe they already have an Ent model and decided that making another one with a different box was pointless?

I like the new one. I hope it has stats to match.

I've been watching the 360 of the new Treeman (the normal version) and now I'm in love.

They demonstratively added a ™ to the name Wood Elves™ to show that it ceased to be a generic expression from now on.



Went a long way from when they sold D&D books including Wood Elves (and everyone making wood elf miniatures for D&D) to now claiming it is their trademark. So everyone who was ever copied by GW beware!

Well they own Tolkien so I'm guessing they believe they have domain over those tropes now

(Joking)

 Kroothawk wrote:
They demonstratively added a ™ to the name Wood Elves™ to show that it ceased to be a generic expression from now on.

I wonder what WotC makes of that. I guess lessons were not learned?

ELVIUS SILVARUM

Can you even copyright a generic term? Makes me wonder :/

It's not copyright but an unregistered trademark.
Anyway, I hear champagne corks popping in US IP law firms

Trademarking terms in context is nothing new. No need to assign evil intent to it.

Meh, I don't think this would hold up in any case - Wood Elves is too broad of a term. Then again, GW can easily pull of their usual thing as in threatening others with their army of lawyers.

What does this "tm" actually do? Does it disallow others from releasing units such as "Wood Elf Treant"?

Keep in mind that they are not trademarking the words. They are trademarking the words, font, image, etc and how they identify the Wood Elves line of miniatures they sell (themselves a subset of Warhammer Fantasy).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark

Are they selling metal models again, or is this a typo?

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/The-Wardancer-Troupe

This collection contains 11 miniatures, including: 1 Citadel Finecast Shadowdancer, 1 Wardancer Troupe Command boxed set of 5 metal miniatures and 1 boxed set of 5 metal Wardancers.

I think the idea is the TM bookmarks an argument against third parties trying to hock their own products as GW's, for example, as against re-casters.

Are they trademarking "Warhammer: Wood Elves" as opposed to just "Wood Elves"?

EDIT: Nevermind, I see "Warhammer" has the (R) next to it

Having seen those 360s of the treemen, I'm impressed. Also the colors are far more muted and natural looking now, which suits them far better.

 Kroothawk wrote:
They demonstratively added a ™ to the name Wood Elves™ to show that it ceased to be a generic expression from now on.

What that tells me is that 'Warhammer: Battle Magic' is TM'd and 'Warhammer: Battle Magic: Wood Elves' is TM'd. So a set of cards suitable for use in a game of warhammer, in the magic phase, by someone fielding a wood elf army, called 'Warhammer Battle Magic Wood Elves' is trademarked by GW, not that GW have claimed the term Wood Elves...

I think you'd find that Wood Elves in the context of Warhammer would be TM'd as well.

 RiTides wrote:
Are they selling metal models again, or is this a typo?

They never really stopped "selling metal models". They had plenty of stuff still in metal that was not in Finecast.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Having seen those 360s of the treemen, I'm impressed.

Same here. Bravo moment for GW.

 RiTides wrote:
Are they selling metal models again, or is this a typo?

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/The-Wardancer-Troupe

This collection contains 11 miniatures, including: 1 Citadel Finecast Shadowdancer, 1 Wardancer Troupe Command boxed set of 5 metal miniatures and 1 boxed set of 5 metal Wardancers.

Likely old stock. Not having done anything with Wood Elves in ages likely means they haven't shifted many.

Personally I'm disappointed and was hoping for a multipart plastic set, but perhaps I'll just convert witch elves instead.


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 pretre wrote:
I think you'd find that Wood Elves in the context of Warhammer would be TM'd as well.

Yes, but in relation to the cards, that's what's identifying legally on the front of the box.

Can anyone tell me about the deer-riding elves in the Bretonnian ambush art?

 Manchu wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Having seen those 360s of the treemen, I'm impressed.

Same here. Bravo moment for GW.

I mean I'm not a huge fan of the big claw, or the loincloth or the long beard, but I figure you get a box of the citadel trees, with all those extra branches, and you can make these more treelike if you wanted to tone the humanoid element back a bit.

Plastic will allow all sorts of kitbash fun with them.

Treemen are pretty cool, but why do they have Wolverine claws?

 Manchu wrote:
Can anyone tell me about the deer-riding elves in the Bretonnian ambush art?

I suspect they must be coming in Wave 2 - that would also explain why they've not released a Wood Elf Army deal like they've done for recent armies as it likely contains models not yet released for the army. Of course anyone who gets hold of a copy of the codex will know what's missing and there are likely pictures of the models in full in that.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Personally I'm disappointed and was hoping for a multipart plastic set, but perhaps I'll just convert witch elves instead.

I was hoping for a multi-part plastic unit as well (assuming that's what you meant, as the Treeman kit is multi-part plastic), in the same fashion as Witch Elves/Sisters of Slaughter or the triple-option core unit for Dark Elves.

I'm on the fence about the Treeman, but I might pick one up at some point. I don't play Warhammer, but I love Wood Elves.

 Manchu wrote:
Can anyone tell me about the deer-riding elves in the Bretonnian ambush art?

In my threads, the info is often in the first post (see blurry background of pic):

Kroothawk wrote:Releases of second Week:
Wild Rider dual kit
Eternal Guard dual kit

Also I hate it how these new miniatures don't even pretend to be Wood Elves.
If the painter hadn't used greenish capes, you would take them for new High Elf miniatures:

 pretre wrote:
Keep in mind that they are not trademarking the words. They are trademarking the words, font, image, etc and how they identify the Wood Elves line of miniatures they sell (themselves a subset of Warhammer Fantasy).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark

You have exactly zero basis on which to draw that conclusion. GW merely included the "TM" symbol. Did you even read that Wikipedia article, such as it is?

The symbol only denotes that GW has made some sort of common law assertion to rights of usage related to those words. GW may be demonstrating that it claims rights to a word mark, or to a logo. You simply don't know.

 Kroothawk wrote:
In my threads, the info is often in the first post (see blurry background of pic):

Kroothawk wrote:Releases of second Week:
Eternal Guard dual kit

Ah, silly me for not checking. Definitely looking forward to that Eternal Guard dual kit!

weeble1000 wrote:
You have exactly zero basis on which to draw that conclusion. GW merely included the "TM" symbol. Did you even read that Wikipedia article, such as it is?

The symbol only denotes that GW has made some sort of common law assertion to rights of usage related to those words. GW may be demonstrating that it claims rights to a word mark, or to a logo. You simply don't know.

Context. I am assuming based on placement.

For its size and options, the price doesn't seem *that* bad on the treeman.

I'd certainly consider picking one up just for the fun on trying to paint one up. Never been a big fan of playing druid- like, naturey, foresty types- they are always fun to paint though with all their browns and greens.

Also being cheaper than a Carnosaur is a plus in my book.

 pretre wrote:

weeble1000 wrote:
You have exactly zero basis on which to draw that conclusion. GW merely included the "TM" symbol. Did you even read that Wikipedia article, such as it is?

The symbol only denotes that GW has made some sort of common law assertion to rights of usage related to those words. GW may be demonstrating that it claims rights to a word mark, or to a logo. You simply don't know.

Context. I am assuming based on placement.

But you can't assume the seller's claim is restricted so specifically. GW is simply saying, "look out market. I'm selling a product and this is how I am exclusively designating its source." If anything, the context is pretty ambiguous as there are several TM symbols. Which marks are believed to be subordinate by the seller can only be guessed at, and when it comes to the law, guessing is a terrible idea, so please try to avoid making seemingly definitive statements.

Misinformation is often worse than no information.

 Accolade wrote:
Is that Treeman priced reasonably? Or are my expectations of GW so skewed now that I can't tell...

They're actually cheaper than I expected. Big monsters have been 65 euros apiece of late (or more). New Space Marine plastic characters were 25 euros each! These are just "normal GW pricey" instead of "omg that expensive GW pricey".

Treeman, I don't know, I expected something...beefier. But again, big, posable & customizable plastic kit, plenty of potential for modifications if you don't like something.

Is Shadowdancer a new miniature or metal -> Finecast conversion? Because in this day & age, you'd expect something bit better for a resin mini.

At first glance I thought I wouldn't like the new tree man, but to be honest, it's grown on me quickly. It doesn't look bad in itself, and you have to give them that it's at least a fresh take on the design. I prefer GW to be creative for once instead of trying to assert copyright over Tolkien's descriptions.

Then again...

 pretre wrote:
Keep in mind that they are not trademarking the words. They are trademarking the words, font, image, etc and how they identify the Wood Elves line of miniatures they sell (themselves a subset of Warhammer Fantasy).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark

That doesn't change the problem of "Wood Elves" being at best a descriptive and at worst a generic term, so no matter how many TMs they plaster across their cards, that mark simply isn't protectable. It's just the usual smoke screen from GW's legal department, no need to defend them if they're called out on it.

"Battle Magic" probably is protectable, to be fair.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Also I hate it how these new miniatures don't even pretend to be Wood Elves.
If the painter hadn't used greenish capes, you would take them for new High Elf miniatures:

Seriously?

Look at page 212 and 213(reprint of the Wood Elf army book cover) of the main WHFB rulebook or at the art of the Eternal Guard in the soon to be outdated Wood Elf army book.

Is the shadowdancer a new finecast model or have it been in finecast before ?

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Is the shadowdancer a new finecast model or have it been in finecast before ?

It was not in Finecast before, now it is.

I like those Treemen models. I really hope Forest Spirits become more useful.

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Is the shadowdancer a new finecast model or have it been in finecast before ?

Old model, new material.

Finally seen the better pics of the new Treemen...

They are outstanding.

Can't wait to see the book.

Is the WE General with the Horns still available?

Aside from the sword, I've flipped my opinion on the Treeman. I really like the small details they have. Looks like a nightmare to transport unless you leave it standing in a plastic bin.

Meh, don't like the new models. The Treeman is "ok", but doesn't fit GW's own aesthetic for a treeman. Why did they give it high heels for goodness sake? And the new axe/glaive/halberd dude with boobs, the GW sculptors have some real gender issues. Not to mention the stupid crab claw hand that should never have been sculpted. It you can't sculpt an open hand to reasonable quality, DON'T try and fail and release it anyway.

The Wardancer Lord and troupe are all old models so I have no real comments. Would have been nice to see new models, I wasn't a huge fan of those ones even when they came out. But I already own both the Lord and a bunch of the Wardancers so I doubt I'll be getting more.

anyone see the video on GW site? Showcase of new miniatures released and then when it gets to the army book it says its usual background, story, and stats but then also says.
"Full rules for the lore of high magic and dark magic"
Not sure what that means, as it seems they got their own magic cards. Unless they get both dark and high and gw made them into single set.

Tsilber wrote:
anyone see the video on GW site? Showcase of new miniatures released and then when it gets to the army book it says its usual background, story, and stats but then also says.
"Full rules for the lore of high magic and dark magic"
Not sure what that means, as it seems they got their own magic cards. Unless they get both dark and high and gw made them into single set.

Yes, to represent their capricious nature, Wood Elves apparently have access to both High and Dark Magic, but get their own Lore Attribute. They also allegedly have access to the 8 Lores in the rulebook too.

Why tabards on treemen? I questioned the entrail tabard on the new herald of nurgle, but now they have tabards on branch-walky-things?

Why must everything have a tabard between their legs? Can they not sculpt crotches?

 Spellbound wrote:
Why tabards on treemen? I questioned the entrail tabard on the new herald of nurgle, but now they have tabards on branch-walky-things?

Why must everything have a tabard between their legs? Can they not sculpt crotches?

Because GW thinks tabards look cool.

And honestly I think it looks kind of cool. If it's optional that's even better for those who don't want the bark-crotch flap.

I think the only thing I don't like about the Treeman is the high heels.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
No, it's not. Forest Spirits aren't daemonic in nature, they're possessed of an entirely different form of sapience derived from the genius loci of the forest itself. I guess you could say they're "daemons of athel loren", but they're not Warp-based entities.

I beg to differ. It is heavily implied they are daemons that happen to like Athel Loren. The biggest giveaway was the 5+ ward save that went away from magical attacks, exactly like the old daemons had back before they were split into their own book in 7th ed.

Anyway, my biggest question now is whether or not I'll be able to magnetize my treenan for each variant without having to buy multiple boxes.

 Krellnus wrote:

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Is the shadowdancer a new finecast model or have it been in finecast before ?

Old model, new material.

I like how GW has stepped away from Finecast, except for the ranges they don't care about - like Wood Elves, or LotR.

This is the first non-LotR Finecast release we've seen since last year's Lizardmen release isn't it?

It's more likely that they need to internally pass a threshold of order numbers to warrant them changing the moulds to a new medium. If a range or a model within a range isn't selling strong then chances are its just not financially viable to change the moulds and rescuplt.

It's more worth their time to add new models to the WE range and boost its popularity so that the orders increase, the range gains in popularity and then the number of sales of the models will allow for a change in the casting medium.

Schmapdi wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Is the shadowdancer a new finecast model or have it been in finecast before ?

Old model, new material.

I like how GW has stepped away from Finecast, except for the ranges they don't care about - like Wood Elves, or LotR.

This is the first non-LotR Finecast release we've seen since last year's Lizardmen release isn't it?

I believe so.

Overread wrote:It's more likely that they need to internally pass a threshold of order numbers to warrant them changing the moulds to a new medium. If a range or a model within a range isn't selling strong then chances are its just not financially viable to change the moulds and rescuplt.

It's more worth their time to add new models to the WE range and boost its popularity so that the orders increase, the range gains in popularity and then the number of sales of the models will allow for a change in the casting medium.

GW uses the same moulds for finecast and metal minatures.

Well I'll be, the Treeman is not too bad. The Greenfield Grasshuggers will be happy, seems I have found what will be joining the team as Rootbranch.

 Krellnus wrote:
GW uses the same moulds for finecast and metal minatures.

They can cast the same model in metal or finecast, but it's not the same mould.

What i dont like about the treeman, and lots of otjer big fantasy kits, is there is no sence of materials.
I cant make out if stuff is made of bone, metal, wood exoskeletal pieces or what.
The result is a messy and undefined paintjob that basicly just show of painting techniques (again, with no feel for the material its supposed to represent).
Sure, the paintjob loks smoothly blended and glowing. But most of the time I wonder why stuff is glowing that seem to be mundane objects or just highlights.
Its been bugging me for a while.

 Fayric wrote:
What i dont like about the treeman, and lots of otjer big fantasy kits, is there is no sence of materials.
I cant make out if stuff is made of bone, metal, wood exoskeletal pieces or what.
The result is a messy and undefined paintjob that basicly just show of painting techniques (again, with no feel for the material its supposed to represent).
Sure, the paintjob loks smoothly blended and glowing. But most of the time I wonder why stuff is glowing that seem to be mundane objects or just highlights.
Its been bugging me for a while.

That's true, that's probably part of the reason it's really not doing anything for me (alongside the high heels, that it looks like a wraithknight and that it looks too "fast" to be a treeman).

There's no cohesive aesthetic, it's just "stuff", lots of "stuff", in the shape of a humanoid with some branches hanging off it. Funnily enough, some of the artwork they showed in the video they posted actually has a far more cohesive aesthetic than the model itself.

My Wood Elves have been sitting in my drawer for a long time... sadly what we've seen so far isn't inspiring me to pull them out. Have to see what the rules look like. I actually really dislike the hooded heads GW does for plastic models, so flat and doesn't flow at all, that's true of the old Glade Guard and also the new popeye infantry we are getting.

Dost my eyes decieveth me????

Are these models...at a reasonable price!*GASP!* The massive 6 inch tall, beautifully modeled Treeman which can be made into 3 different models, one being a special character is under £40. The Wardancer Troupe of 10 metal models including command AND a Character is only £36, 1 pound more then Wych Elves?

I am sensing i am going to like this release.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Dost my eyes decieveth me????

Are these models...at a reasonable price!*GASP!* The massive 6 inch tall, beautifully modeled Treeman which can be made into 3 different models, one being a special character is under £40. The Wardancer Troupe of 10 metal models including command AND a Character is only £36, 1 pound more then Wych Elves?

I am sensing i am going to like this release.

The character is finecast.

BOOM.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Dost my eyes decieveth me????

Are these models...at a reasonable price!*GASP!* The massive 6 inch tall, beautifully modeled Treeman which can be made into 3 different models, one being a special character is under £40. The Wardancer Troupe of 10 metal models including command AND a Character is only £36, 1 pound more then Wych Elves?

I am sensing i am going to like this release.

The Treeman will probably be relatively small, I'm guessing 6" will include all those branches sticking out if it's head and given those branches are probably 20-25% of it's height, it's probably around the 4.5 to 5" mark. If it's as big as I think it is, at least in Australia it's about equivalent to other similar sized kits (giant, riptide, trygon, bastilidon, stegadon, significantly cheaper and smaller than a wraithknight). Though GW pricing is hardly consistent, it's the same price as Arachnarok even though I'm pretty sure it's a lot smaller.

Also 10 models which are 10 years old for 36 pounds doesn't sound all that awesome, no idea how much they cost before though.

How much does the age matter? I have War Dancers and they are splendid models, in fact almost all of the Wood Elf models have aged extremely well save for Treekin and the old Treeman model, both of them looked far to silly (they had their tongues out for feths sake!).

Also 10 metal models for 36 pounds does sound like normal GW pricing, but then you add in the Noble, a character somewhere around £10, you get a very well priced unit. It would be like giving away a free captain with every tactical marine squad.

Wood Elves getting some love has kind of made me interested at building a force of them. Never really gave them the time of day before (also I like the look of the new Treeman models).

Dryads are univalable on the uk webstore, rebox + price rise incoming?

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Dost my eyes decieveth me????.

For faux-archaic grammar this bad, you should be mercilessly prodded wth a spork for about 10-15 minutes.

So I have WD sitting on my desk.

1) Mat Ward is the author of Wood Elves.
2) The shoulders, elbows, knees, and ankles all have separate joints to allow you to pose your Treemen up differently.
3) The bearded/tabarded Treeman is in fact the Treeman Ancient...who is a Wizard. Seb Perbet(the primary sculptor on the kit) envisioned the tabard and beard as the work of the Dryads while the Ancient slumbers between battles.

Also the little weird vine thingy being "fired" by the younger Treeman is called a "Strangleroot".

 Kanluwen wrote:

1) Mat Ward is the author of Wood Elves.

So is that all the Elven races done by him? Aside from the Banner which summons Experiment626 I like both of the previous books.

 Eldarain wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

1) Mat Ward is the author of Wood Elves.

So is that all the Elven races done by him? Aside from the Banner which summons Experiment626 I like both of the previous books.

Indeed it is all three Elven races done by him.

Araloth is apparently a character he came up with back before he joined the GW design studio, when he first started playing Wood Elves.

Also Neil Langdown is the sculptor for Araloth, and the inspiration "came from an older illustration by John Blanche". The horned helm is something to potentially expect on more Wood Elf stuff in the future as he put it with "High Elves have their winged helms, Dark Elves have bladed ones, so the idea of Wood Elves having antlers fitted nicely".

Araloth's falcon, Skaryn, is a nod back to Skaw the Falconer.

Is there any indication what their "prowess" will be in the WD?

Any mention/hints of future models in the range? Thus far all we know at the deer riders as a potential further model in the range.

 Eldarain wrote:
Is there any indication what their "prowess" will be in the WD?

Not really. As mentioned Araloth has Always Strikes First and Stubborn--but Skaryn is where the real interesting thing is.
Skaryn the Eye Thief is an attack made by Araloth where you nominate a single enemy model within 18". That model takes a S4 hit. If the Wound is unsaved, and the To Wound roll was a 6 then the model suffers a -5 penalty to Weapon Skill and Initiative (to a minimum of 1) for the rest of the game. A model can only suffer this penalty once however.
Also it looks like you can pick between WS or BS, not strictly WS and I.

Asrai Spears have Armor Piercing and Fight in Extra Ranks, which is nice. There's something kind of strange though in the write-up by Dan.

If you keep him in a wood, he'll be able to re-roll To Wound rolls of 1 as well, which can tip things in his favour.

It makes me think that Wood Elves will get something similar to Murderous Prowess but only when in woods.

Also worth mentioning that Eternal Guard are mentioned by name, so they're still in.

Oh and I missed some stuff from Durthu.
So he's a L1 Wizard who uses spells from the Lore of Beasts. Tree Whack is:

Nominate an enemy model in base contact. That model must pass an Initiative test or suffer D6 Wounds with no armour saves allowed. A character with this special rule may make a Tree Whack in a Challenge.

Forest Spirit does not seem too different from what I recall in the soon to be replaced Wood Elf book:

A model with this special rule has the Forest Strider special rule and its attacks(close combat and shooting) are magical. In addition if the model is not a mount, it has a 6+ Ward save and the Immune to Psychology special rule

There was also a line in the little "tactical" write up for Durthu by Adam that stuck out:

Instead, try to interpose terrain(such as the free wood all Wood Elf armies get) between him and such monstrosities...

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 Overread wrote:
Any mention/hints of future models in the range? Thus far all we know at the deer riders as a potential further model in the range.

Just the Deer Riders, Eternal Guard, and the as yet unknown Eternal Guard looking model with the dual axes(which might just be a variant build from the main box or something).

I think that the Eternal Guard are going to get two different weapon options though. Neil Langdown very specifically talks about how the hunting spear on Araloth is "a thematic choice to show the woodland hunter nature of some of the Asrai", and it doesn't make sense to give Asrai Spears special rules and just have them limited to a few characters or Glade Riders.

I'm thinking the Eternal Guard will have a Spear/Shield option and a 2h weapon option.

Sounds like the WE might be mirroring the HE; HE having White Lions and Pheonix Guard whilst WE have the Eternal Guard with Spears or these newer units with two handed axes.

I'd suspect it would be 1 kit with two alternative model types rather than 1 kit with two weapon types; alternative weapons just isn't something really much done in Fantasy models. They instead tend to split things with different models - like the HE have both Sisters and Shadow Warriors on the same kit.

Entirely possible that it's two different units, but something about Eternal Guard getting weapon options feels right. The way they talk about Araloth and what units to place him in they only suggest "Glade Guard and Eternal Guard" units.

I do think that the Eternal Guard will be a Core choice rather than Special though.

The other option is that Glade Guard are going to be kinda/sorta "revamped" and have Glade Guard refer to shield/spear armed units while the archer unit that we saw get a new name.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
How much does the age matter? I have War Dancers and they are splendid models, in fact almost all of the Wood Elf models have aged extremely well save for Treekin and the old Treeman model, both of them looked far to silly (they had their tongues out for feths sake!).

Also 10 metal models for 36 pounds does sound like normal GW pricing, but then you add in the Noble, a character somewhere around £10, you get a very well priced unit. It would be like giving away a free captain with every tactical marine squad.

It's relevant that they're 10 years old because it means these are the exact same models you could buy for less than 30 pounds a few years ago I have no idea what the prices were for them a few weeks ago though.

As for aging well, meh, I never like the Wardancer models to begin with, and I'm saying that despite the fact I own them including the limited direct-only. The only one I like is the one doing a side kick, which I believe was one of the limited ones. The female Wardancers look like dudes with boobs (far more than the Witch Elf models) and at least half the poses look silly (obviously beauty in the eye of the beholder, but to me they just look "awkward" not "dancing a war"). They scream "how can we pose this model to save us money by making it only 1 piece?".

I'm actually struggling to think of anything to compare them with though because GW don't have many metal infantry models anymore. There were the Kasrkin, not sure what the UK pricing for them was but it was a lot less than the Wardancer pricing in Australia. They're more expensive than the metal IG squads, more expensive than the Last Chancers, cheaper than Sisters of Battle (not sure if that's something to get excited about?).

I just find it funny that folks think that 60 dollars US for 10, that is right 10 models is a "deal". Especially old sculpts. Warlord is out of UK and has great historical figs, like this: 36 bucks for 16 figs http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/hail-caesar/products/ancient-celts-archer-regiment

I'm not saying GW is a spectacular deal, but those celt archers remind of old 1980-1990s Ral Parth D&D figures.

That Treeman looks pretty narly dude! I hope that this gives them a nice boost looking forward to checking out the rules and playing against them!

RazorMind wrote:
I just find it funny that folks think that 60 dollars US for 10, that is right 10 models is a "deal". Especially old sculpts. Warlord is out of UK and has great historical figs, like this: 36 bucks for 16 figs http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/hail-caesar/products/ancient-celts-archer-regiment

The fact that sculpts like those are considered "great" for historical miniatures is why I just can't get into historical gaming. Maybe it's just the paintjobs, but those sculpts are really subpar. Of course, the Wardancers aren't that great, either.

~Tim?

True, those are not the best. I was comparing costs. OK, Gripping Beast has nice minis, so for 92 dollars US you can have 41 minis
http://www.grippingbeast.com/photos/s%20for%20ws.jpg

This is entirely subjective but of all the 8th edition army books, this one I have to say has the worst cover art of the lot. The sneer/smile expression through to the downright gawdy colour pallete and awkward stance make even the Vampire Counts army book image look dignified. The treeman in the background looks awesome, why can't THAT be on the front cover?

I have to admit, I really do like the new Treeman model/kit. It's much more a Greater Tree-Fey-Kin, or Greater Daemon of Nature - which works, actually, using the original definition of Daemon ≠ "Demon" - than a "proper" treeman, or Ent kit, though. I wonder how much it costs? (US/AU$) That will decide whether I get three of them or none of them...

 Azazelx wrote:
It's much more a Greater Tree-Fey-Kin than a "proper" treeman, or Ent kit

Agreed -- that is why I like it so much. He comes in at 96 Aussie Dollars.

Ouch! What's the US price?

61 USD

Of course!

 Kanluwen wrote:
There was also a line in the little "tactical" write up for Durthu by Adam that stuck out:

Instead, try to interpose terrain(such as the free wood all Wood Elf armies get) between him and such monstrosities...

Just for the record: Wood Elves have the "free wood" rule currently as well.

So looks like if I bother to buy it, I'll have to import it. Not that it's hard, but it's nice when GW occasionally releases something that I can buy locally.

RazorMind wrote:
I just find it funny that folks think that 60 dollars US for 10, that is right 10 models is a "deal". Especially old sculpts. Warlord is out of UK and has great historical figs, like this: 36 bucks for 16 figs http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/hail-caesar/products/ancient-celts-archer-regiment

Eh the problem is GW is a big company - a big company that also maintains its own highstreet shops. Their overheads are huge compared to most miniature companies which are much smaller operations; and that's without taking into account the huge amount of re-releases and new models GW makes each year. Their prices are higher because their cost to run is that much higher (and sadly things like highstreet shop rates are insanely high these days)

 Overread wrote:
Eh the problem is GW is a big company - a big company that also maintains its own highstreet shops. Their overheads are huge compared to most miniature companies which are much smaller operations; and that's without taking into account the huge amount of re-releases and new models GW makes each year. Their prices are higher because their cost to run is that much higher (and sadly things like highstreet shop rates are insanely high these days)

No. The problem is that GW is a stupid company. A big company should always have the advantage over a small company, because many parts of a company don't become twice as expensive just because the company is twice as big. The cost is only higher if you start shovelling money into white elephants like stores that don't increase your sales enough to cover their own cost.

 Overread wrote:

RazorMind wrote:
I just find it funny that folks think that 60 dollars US for 10, that is right 10 models is a "deal". Especially old sculpts. Warlord is out of UK and has great historical figs, like this: 36 bucks for 16 figs http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/hail-caesar/products/ancient-celts-archer-regiment

Eh the problem is GW is a big company - a big company that also maintains its own highstreet shops. Their overheads are huge compared to most miniature companies which are much smaller operations; and that's without taking into account the huge amount of re-releases and new models GW makes each year. Their prices are higher because their cost to run is that much higher (and sadly things like highstreet shop rates are insanely high these days)

This makes no sense. Firstly, big doesn't mean the models should cost more unless you've made yourself too big for the amount you can sell. Look at any other form of retail and being big almost always results in being able to deliver lower prices. Secondly, why is maintaining stores going to result in higher prices unless you don't know how to run a store? If running a store were a liability instead of potentially being profitable, no one would run stores, lol. If GW is running stores at a loss they need to stop running stores and put things back in the hands of FLGS's who actually know how to run a store instead of passing their losses on to the customer.

Any news on the new hawk riders?

Did anyone notice that shadowdancers are described as wizards on the GW website.

Love some of the new artwork, it's good to see GW commissioning some fresh pieces.

Treeman is very characterful and OTT (in a good way), and love the little owl sitting on the models shoulder!

 Pacific wrote:
Love some of the new artwork, it's good to see GW commissioning some fresh pieces.

Treeman is very characterful and OTT (in a good way), and love the little owl sitting on the models shoulder!

The owl has three eyes and is affectionately called "Blinky" at the Studio.

It is also a separate piece, as are all the Spites. There are 13 in all according to Neil Langdown and Seb Perbet.

 Mantle wrote:
Did anyone notice that shadowdancers are described as wizards on the GW website.

Things like this, and Durthu/Treeman ancient becoming wizards as well, makes me wonder if there is a overall theme of having a very potent magic army for this new incarnation of wood elves. I'm finding it very interesting.

One vote for Shadowdancers being Level 1 Shadow wizards.

 Coyote81 wrote:
Things like this, and Durthu/Treeman ancient becoming wizards as well, makes me wonder if there is a overall theme of having a very potent magic army for this new incarnation of wood elves. I'm finding it very interesting.

Right in time for 9th, where magic will get nerfed into oblivion.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Coyote81 wrote:
Things like this, and Durthu/Treeman ancient becoming wizards as well, makes me wonder if there is a overall theme of having a very potent magic army for this new incarnation of wood elves. I'm finding it very interesting.

Right in time for 9th, where magic will get nerfed into oblivion.

Both thumbs pressed for this to happen.

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 Overread wrote:

RazorMind wrote:
I just find it funny that folks think that 60 dollars US for 10, that is right 10 models is a "deal". Especially old sculpts. Warlord is out of UK and has great historical figs, like this: 36 bucks for 16 figs http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/hail-caesar/products/ancient-celts-archer-regiment

Eh the problem is GW is a big company - a big company that also maintains its own highstreet shops. Their overheads are huge compared to most miniature companies which are much smaller operations; and that's without taking into account the huge amount of re-releases and new models GW makes each year. Their prices are higher because their cost to run is that much higher (and sadly things like highstreet shop rates are insanely high these days)

This makes no sense. Firstly, big doesn't mean the models should cost more unless you've made yourself too big for the amount you can sell. Look at any other form of retail and being big almost always results in being able to deliver lower prices. Secondly, why is maintaining stores going to result in higher prices unless you don't know how to run a store? If running a store were a liability instead of potentially being profitable, no one would run stores, lol. If GW is running stores at a loss they need to stop running stores and put things back in the hands of FLGS's who actually know how to run a store instead of passing their losses on to the customer.

I don't think it's really that simple - if it were, iPads would be the cheap option because there's an Apple store in every city, so they can deliver lower prices, right? No, they deliver extremely high prices, and they run the stores to back that up. The GW stores are kind of like that, I guess. They could cut the retail arm out and lower their prices a bit, maybe, or they could keep their retail arm and keep their high prices. Much of a muchness. They could close the studio tomorrow if cost-cutting was their whole MO.

Should we be getting into this again? Probably not

 Coyote81 wrote:
Things like this, and Durthu/Treeman ancient becoming wizards as well, makes me wonder if there is a overall theme of having a very potent magic army for this new incarnation of wood elves. I'm finding it very interesting.

Just for the record: Currently all treemen can cast a level 3 spell called treesinger, so they already ARE a kind of wizard.