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Post by: trexmeyer
A stunning Minnesota college freshman honor student tragically killed herself after former classmates relentlessly bullied her for appearing in an amateur porn video.
Alyssa Funke, 19, bought a shotgun and committed suicide on her family’s boat on a suburban St. Paul lake in April just two weeks after the skin flick hit porn site Casting Couch.
The straight-A student at the University of Wisconsin-River Falls was inundated with taunts on Twitter and Facebook after former classmates at Stillwater High School found the flick and huddled around in groups to see her baring it all.
“I’m Stella Ann. I’m 18, from Minnesota, and I’m really looking forward to get started,” the nervous teen tells an unseen camera operator as she sat on the “casting couch” during filming in Las Vegas earlier this year. “I want to be a major in biology, minor in chemistry, and I want to be an anesthesiologist,” the brainy beauty says during her interview.
Shortly after, she strips down and has on-camera sex.
Her former classmates were unflinching in the cruel taunts they sent her way.
“Wow your (sic) a thot,” wrote one, including a slang acronym for “that ho over there.” Another wrote, “Does her dad know?”
In April, Funke bought a shotgun and used it to commit suicide on Big Carnelia Lake, shown.
“Nothing brings a school together like a pornstar who graduated last year,” chimed in a third.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/minnesota-college-student-19-commits-suicide-classmates-bully-appearing-porn-flick-article-1.1802744
I think she probably already had emotional issues prior to the backlash. It's really a sad story on many levels. I'm vehemently anti porn and I firmly believe the industry exploits young women. She was a victim of both her own poor choices, the industry, and the bullying students. However, I don't think you can cast the blame on anyone person in this situation. It's a tragedy and a lesson.
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Post by: LordofHats
“Nothing brings a school together like a pornstar who graduated last year,” chimed in a third.
Wow... That's kind of... Amazing to me, that people can be so utterly uncaring. I mean, I can get people not caring that much that this happened. People don't care about that stuff all the time. But that comment is just so... Wow.
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Post by: trexmeyer
I really believe most people don't have an ounce of empathy in their bones.
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Post by: Jihadin
What I really hate about this is the another proof that people literally, blunt clarity here, live and die by F'ing social media. Its GD stupid.
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Post by: Palindrome
"The fact is: If this is such a glamorous, okay job/lifestyle/career, why'd she kill herself?" Friedman added.
Apparently he is a social worker, personally I would call him a tosser.
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Post by: trexmeyer
 Jihadin wrote:What I really hate about this is the another proof that people literally, blunt clarity here, live and die by F'ing social media. Its GD stupid.
I disagree. Social media is simply a new venue for human socialization and most people crave that to some degree. The cases of people committing suicide after cyberbullying that I am familiar with all involved bullying prior to and outside of social media. It was merely an extension of face to face confrontations. It's not quite as simply as someone committing suicide over harassment on Twitter. There is a deeper issue here. The real problem is that people are still committing suicide over be social pariahs and that for all our technological advancements humanity hasn't really improved at all on a micro level.
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Post by: -Shrike-
Jihadin wrote:What I really hate about this is the another proof that people literally, blunt clarity here, live and die by F'ing social media. Its GD stupid.
Exalted. I always feel really sad whenever I see a headline to the effect of "Teen kills themselves after bullying on Facebook". I realise that there are almost always other causes, but, fething hell. You can turn the computer off. Block people on Facebook. At that point, it is literally no worse than the perpetual possibility that people are bitching about you anyway.
Anyway, tragic news nonetheless. Sounds like her classmates were a bunch of fething pricks.
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Post by: Frazzled
I thought the kids had moved on from twitter which is where they'd moved on from FB already?
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Post by: Dreadclaw69
Can those who sent her messages be prosecuted?
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Post by: Medium of Death
I wonder who was leading the bullying on this one? They should certainly be prosecuted. Especially given that she suffered mental illness. I mean we give each other light piss takes on FB in our Uni group, from time to time, but never anything beyond ridiculous and everybody gets it so nobody is really singled out. Serious harassment is just ridiculous. I'd imagine that a lot of is based on jealous or resentment.  Palindrome wrote:"The fact is: If this is such a glamorous, okay job/lifestyle/career, why'd she kill herself?" Friedman added.
Apparently he is a social worker, personally I would call him a tosser.
My thoughts exactly.
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Post by: Frazzled
For what exactly and why? Truth is a defense to any sort fo claim of that nature and her activities were public.
Its sad but its stupid. And as the immortal bard said: If you're going to be stupid then you have to be tough. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Medium of Death wrote:I wonder who was leading the bullying on this one? They should certainly be prosecuted. Especially given that she suffered mental illness.
What bullying? She did it.
I mean we give each other light piss takes on FB in our Uni group, from time to time, but never anything beyond ridiculous and everybody gets it so nobody is really singled out. Serious harassment is just ridiculous. I'd imagine that a lot of is based on jealous or resentment.
No. She committed public acts. Its reasonable that there would be commentary about it. Her methods of recourse to end it were instantaneous. Turn off the  ing Facebook.
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Post by: Orlanth
We dont know why she committed suicide.
Making the porn video, being bullied for it, possible, but its likely to be rooted in something deeper.
But people do commit suicide over the vaguest things. She bought a shotgun drove or walked to a lake and shot herself. This doesn't allow a lot of time for thought, but the real mental trigger is deep set.
Funke came from a broken home, with family in trouble with the law. Young impressionable and away from familiar surroundings, it only takes a bad turn, any bad turn to set her over the edge.
This was far from inevitable, but it is simplistic to say the porn killed her.
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Post by: NuggzTheNinja
Just going to throw this out there - If you're going to make an adult decision, like the one to take off your clothes and have sex on camera for money, then you should probably prepare yourself to have adult reactions to potential criticism directed toward your lifestyle. Or, are pornstars now members of the "protected class?"
Hang out on bodybuilding.com long enough and post some pictures working looking at, and you'll get offers to fly to LA and participate in porn shoots. Ask me how I know. I never accepted any of these offers, but another poster did several years ago. Somebody found the "evidence" and everybody dogpiled the guy pretty bad. His response was, "F U guys, I got paid $1,000 to whack it on camera!" 
Long story short - that could be construed as "bullying" but level-headed people don't kill themselves when people criticize their life choices. There was something more going on with this girl that makes me think she fell into the red zone of the hot/crazy curve.
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For what, being mean? Or manslaughter?
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Post by: Da Boss
Good to see blaming the victim is, as always, alive and well on Dakka Dakka.
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Post by: Medium of Death
I think it's fascinating that "harassment & bullying" are now adult reactions.
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Post by: Frazzled
 Da Boss wrote:Good to see blaming the victim is, as always, alive and well on Dakka Dakka.
There is no blaming the victim going on. There is however, defense of the right of free speech going on. Please recognize the difference.
I'll note the victim offed herself. No crime was committed, EXCEPT BY HER, TO HERSELF.
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Post by: Medium of Death
So if people called one of your kids a "[ see forum posting rules]" (using for emphasis not as an actual insult by myself) and then others started laughing at them all over social media and they went on to kill themselves you'd be fine with that. I mean, it was your kids fault for putting their sexuality out there right? Right.
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Post by: Fafnir
 NuggzTheNinja wrote:Just going to throw this out there - If you're going to make an adult decision, like the one to take off your clothes and have sex on camera for money, then you should probably prepare yourself to have adult reactions to potential criticism directed toward your lifestyle. Or, are pornstars now members of the "protected class?"
Hang out on bodybuilding.com long enough and post some pictures working looking at, and you'll get offers to fly to LA and participate in porn shoots. Ask me how I know. I never accepted any of these offers, but another poster did several years ago. Somebody found the "evidence" and everybody dogpiled the guy pretty bad. His response was, "F U guys, I got paid $1,000 to whack it on camera!"
Long story short - that could be construed as "bullying" but level-headed people don't kill themselves when people criticize their life choices. There was something more going on with this girl that makes me think she fell into the red zone of the hot/crazy curve.
Regardless, you'd think we're at a point in society where people wouldn't be looked down upon for working in porn. They deserve as much respect as any other person. We live in an age where it seems like everyone has nudes of them floating around on the internet, it shouldn't be that big of a deal anymore.
Sure, she definitely could have benefited from some forsight regarding her social situation, but her peers could also benefit from growing the feth up.
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Post by: sebster
NuggzTheNinja wrote:Long story short - that could be construed as "bullying" but level-headed people don't kill themselves when people criticize their life choices.
Yeah, because socially ostracizing someone and calling them a 'ho is criticizing their life choices.
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Post by: LuciusAR
Just out of interest has the treatment of this girl by her classmates proven to be directly linked to the suicide?
The trouble with cases like this is that some people with vested interests do like to try and capitalise on these suicides in order to promote their own pet causes. There actually could be allot more going here we don't know about and I don't think it's wise to point fingers at her classmates or the porn industry without more information.
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Post by: cincydooley
 Frazzled wrote: Da Boss wrote:Good to see blaming the victim is, as always, alive and well on Dakka Dakka.
There is no blaming the victim going on. There is however, defense of the right of free speech going on. Please recognize the difference.
I'll note the victim offed herself. No crime was committed, EXCEPT BY HER, TO HERSELF.
Well. She was pretty hot. It's a crime she won't be making porn anymore.
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Post by: vWreN
Ive got to catch the bus so I am gonna be blunt and not argument my points properly.
Anyhow-my life is my life, I might be a pornstart, dominatrix, druggie, clerk, w/e, any1 who offends or judges me or anyone else can get fething fethed-he has no right to, let alone bully or make my life miserable of my complexes, insecurities, weaknesses and the resulting consquences wether it be substance abuse, self-wounding, sleeping with gazillion men or w/e People deserve help, some need it more and others, you judgemental and cold donkey-caves. Ill be back in 3 hours, keep this gak rolling.
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Post by: cincydooley
vWreN wrote:Ive got to catch the bus so I am gonna be blunt and not argument my points properly.
Anyhow-my life is my life, I might be a pornstart, dominatrix, druggie, clerk, w/e, any1 who offends or judges me or anyone else can get fething fethed-he has no right to, let alone bully or make my life miserable of my complexes, insecurities, weaknesses and the resulting consquences wether it be substance abuse, self-wounding, sleeping with gazillion men or w/e People deserve help, some need it more and others, you judgemental and cold donkey-caves. Ill be back in 3 hours, keep this gak rolling.
Well this wins the incompressible post award so far.
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Post by: -Shrike-
vWreN wrote:Ive got to catch the bus so I am gonna be blunt and not argument my points properly.
Anyhow-my life is my life, I might be a pornstart, dominatrix, druggie, clerk, w/e, any1 who offends or judges me or anyone else can get fething fethed-he has no right to, let alone bully or make my life miserable of my complexes, insecurities, weaknesses and the resulting consquences wether it be substance abuse, self-wounding, sleeping with gazillion men or w/e People deserve help, some need it more and others, you judgemental and cold donkey-caves. Ill be back in 3 hours, keep this gak rolling.
I'm sure there might have been a valid point in there somewhere, but people have every right to judge you if you are a "druggie".
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Post by: Frazzled
Regardless, you'd think we're at a point in society where people wouldn't be looked down upon for working in porn. They deserve as much respect as any other person.
Which is none. Respect is earned. Automatically Appended Next Post:  sebster wrote: NuggzTheNinja wrote:Long story short - that could be construed as "bullying" but level-headed people don't kill themselves when people criticize their life choices.
Yeah, because socially ostracizing someone and calling them a 'ho is criticizing their life choices.
When they in fact, are a "ho" its merely an observation. Automatically Appended Next Post:  cincydooley wrote:vWreN wrote:Ive got to catch the bus so I am gonna be blunt and not argument my points properly.
Anyhow-my life is my life, I might be a pornstart, dominatrix, druggie, clerk, w/e, any1 who offends or judges me or anyone else can get fething fethed-he has no right to, let alone bully or make my life miserable of my complexes, insecurities, weaknesses and the resulting consquences wether it be substance abuse, self-wounding, sleeping with gazillion men or w/e People deserve help, some need it more and others, you judgemental and cold donkey-caves. Ill be back in 3 hours, keep this gak rolling.
Well this wins the incompressible post award so far.
I was going to say so. Have we just been been bullied? Where's the constabulary to arrest this criminal mastermind? Automatically Appended Next Post: Medium of Death wrote:So if people called one of your kids a "[ see forum posting rules]" (using for emphasis not as an actual insult by myself) and then others started laughing at them all over social media and they went on to kill themselves you'd be fine with that. I mean, it was your kids fault for putting their sexuality out there right? Right.
If one of my kinds was a serial killer and then killed themslf because people got on FB calling them a serial killer, I wouldn't have much cause to action.
Sorry, but if you're a porn star, there's no way to be offended when people point out you're a porn star.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
 trexmeyer wrote:She was a victim of both her own poor choices, the industry, and the bullying students.
Actually I would say she was a victim of the bullying students and the (undeserved and unfair) social stigma associated with being a porn actress. As I have already mentioned here, they deserve respect as much as anyone else. Actually, they deserve more respect that people whose work are actually morally wrong, and hurting people, like gangsters, arm dealers, hard drug dealers, …
Doubly so if you actually watch porn. Then you would be even more hypocritical to condemn and scorn them.
NuggzTheNinja wrote:Hang out on bodybuilding.com long enough and post some pictures working looking at, and you'll get offers to fly to LA and participate in porn shoots. Ask me how I know. I never accepted any of these offers, but another poster did several years ago. Somebody found the "evidence" and everybody dogpiled the guy pretty bad. His response was, "F U guys, I got paid $1,000 to whack it on camera!"
I am pretty sure the social stigma on porn actors is way smaller than the one on porn actresses.
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
Just to put this out there, the kids can be persecuted for harassment.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Frazzled wrote:Sorry, but if you're a porn star, there's no way to be offended when people point out you're a porn star.
If the social stigma on being a porn star is so strong that people will kill themselves over it, then there is a problem with the stigma associated with being a porn star. On the other hand, if the stigma associated with being a serial killer is so strong that people will kill themselves over it, it is not that much of a problem. Because being a serial killer is morally wrong, and is all about hurting and killing innocent peoples, while there is nothing wrong with being a porn star, and it is all about bringing stimulation to people that actually looked for it.
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Post by: daedalus
NuggzTheNinja wrote:Just going to throw this out there - If you're going to make an adult decision, like the one to take off your clothes and have sex on camera for money, then you should probably prepare yourself to have adult reactions to potential criticism directed toward your lifestyle. Or, are pornstars now members of the "protected class?"
Hang out on bodybuilding.com long enough and post some pictures working looking at, and you'll get offers to fly to LA and participate in porn shoots. Ask me how I know. I never accepted any of these offers, but another poster did several years ago. Somebody found the "evidence" and everybody dogpiled the guy pretty bad. His response was, "F U guys, I got paid $1,000 to whack it on camera!"
Long story short - that could be construed as "bullying" but level-headed people don't kill themselves when people criticize their life choices. There was something more going on with this girl that makes me think she fell into the red zone of the hot/crazy curve.
I don't think you understand the subtle differences in how men vs. women are judged for performing promiscuous.acts.
The rest of your post suggests a particular vapidity too..
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Post by: cincydooley
And yet hundreds of porn actresses DO NOT kill themselves. Crazy how that works, eh?
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Post by: daedalus
I still say everyone is bad people, perhaps a step or two away from being actual and genuine monsters. If we just kill everyone, literally all of humanity, we can make the world a better place.
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Post by: Fafnir
cincydooley wrote:And yet hundreds of porn actresses DO NOT kill themselves. Crazy how that works, eh?
Statistically speaking, most people don't kill themselves. That doesn't mean that there aren't legitimate problems in society that exist.
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Post by: cincydooley
I'm tired of bullying getting tossed out so cavalierly and becoming the go to for anytime someone does something foolish.
It's becoming to much of a crutch when we don't want to take personal accountability for things. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Because they didn't do anything wrong. Being an donkey-cave isn't illegal in the United States.
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Post by: Frazzled
Please cite the statute.
Please cite cases that have been successfully prosecuted.
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
cincydooley wrote:I'm tired of bullying getting tossed out so cavalierly and becoming the go to for anytime someone does something foolish. It's becoming to much of a crutch when we don't want to take personal accountability for things. Automatically Appended Next Post: Because they didn't do anything wrong. Being an donkey-cave isn't illegal in the United States.
No, but harassment is. "...the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands. The purposes may vary, including racial prejudice, personal malice, an attempt to force someone to quit a job or grant sexual favors, apply illegal pressure to collect a bill, or merely gain sadistic pleasure from making someone fearful or anxious. Such activities may be the basis for a lawsuit if due to discrimination based on race or sex, a violation on the statutory limitations on collection agencies, involve revenge by an ex-spouse, or be shown to be a form of blackmail ("I'll stop bothering you, if you'll go to bed with me"). The victim may file a petition for a "stay away" (restraining) order, intended to prevent contact by the offensive party. A systematic pattern of harassment by an employee against another worker may subject the employer to a lawsuit for failure to protect the worker."
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Post by: Frazzled
Again, please cite a statute and successful case law where your nonTitle 9 / EEOC harassment claim has been prosecuted.
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Post by: Ahtman
Sure they did, they just didn't do anything illegal; being a gakker may not be illegal, but it is still being a gakker.
She must have had some issues, because typically if you are a straight A student trying to go to med school you don't get involved in making porn where you are easily seen and recognized if for no other reason then you don't want it to show up when you are doing your application for Med School.
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
Sorry, didn't see your first post. I don't know, I was just putting that out there. I think stalkers are prosecuted for harassment. Also, this was on the first page of Google http://crime.about.com/od/online/a/web_harass.htm.
I'm not sure what your question has to do with anything however.
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Post by: squidhills
 Ahtman wrote:
She must have had some issues, because typically if you are a straight A student trying to go to med school you don't get involved in making porn where you are easily seen and recognized if for no other reason then you don't want it to show up when you are doing your application for Med School.
There's a porn actress named Gauge who put herself through nursing school by ... well, fething on camera. After graduation, she found it difficult to get a job in her field without enduring a lot of harassment from coworkers (the women were all judgemental, the men were all creepers) so she ended up going back to doing porn. Admittedly, she was trying to work in the medical field in Alabama, which has a pretty gosh darned conservative mindset. If she'd gone to work in a hospital in LA, I doubt anyone would've noticed her among all the other medical professionals who used to be porn stars.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
squidhills wrote:After graduation, she found it difficult to get a job in her field without enduring a lot of harassment from coworkers (the women were all judgemental, the men were all creepers)
People are jerks!
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:squidhills wrote:After graduation, she found it difficult to get a job in her field without enduring a lot of harassment from coworkers (the women were all judgemental, the men were all creepers)
People are jerks!
It's really hard not to make a tasteless joke about now.
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Post by: Sigvatr
squidhills wrote: Ahtman wrote:
She must have had some issues, because typically if you are a straight A student trying to go to med school you don't get involved in making porn where you are easily seen and recognized if for no other reason then you don't want it to show up when you are doing your application for Med School.
After graduation, she found it difficult to get a job in her field without enduring a lot of harassment from coworkers
That's weird and certainly not what one could expect. I'd have assumed her collegues would appreciate her in-depth knowledge of the human body.
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Well, there was no pun intended when I posted my message.
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
But you see how easy it is, right.
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Post by: Frazzled
Ahtman wrote:
Sure they did, they just didn't do anything illegal; being a gakker may not be illegal, but it is still being a gakker.
Agreed.
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
Frazzled wrote: Ahtman wrote: Sure they did, they just didn't do anything illegal; being a gakker may not be illegal, but it is still being a gakker.
Agreed.
Just a minor point, there was a quote mix up, didn't actually say that. I don't know enough to know if it is true or not. The mix up is fixed now. It was cincydooley.
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Post by: cincydooley
Yes. Yes it was. Even thinking about prosecuting them is laughable in my eyes.
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Post by: Sigvatr
 Co'tor Shas wrote: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:squidhills wrote:After graduation, she found it difficult to get a job in her field without enduring a lot of harassment from coworkers (the women were all judgemental, the men were all creepers)
People are jerks!
It's really hard not to make a tasteless joke about now.
Jerks...girl in porn...with guys...hmm, don't see any way to make a joke on this
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Post by: Chongara
cincydooley wrote: Frazzled wrote: Da Boss wrote:Good to see blaming the victim is, as always, alive and well on Dakka Dakka.
There is no blaming the victim going on. There is however, defense of the right of free speech going on. Please recognize the difference.
I'll note the victim offed herself. No crime was committed, EXCEPT BY HER, TO HERSELF.
Well [redacted] anymore.
What the hell dude?
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
 Sigvatr wrote:Jerks...girl in porn...with guys...hmm, don't see any way to make a joke on this
Given she is dead, I do not see any way to make a tactful joke on this.
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True, no need for inconsiderate knee-jerk jokes.
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You're going to have to be more specific.
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Post by: Seaward
Ahtman wrote:She must have had some issues, because typically if you are a straight A student trying to go to med school you don't get involved in making porn where you are easily seen and recognized if for no other reason then you don't want it to show up when you are doing your application for Med School.
I feel like I'm the only one who read the full article.
She had issues with depression, her dad was in and out of jail, her mom and her mom's boyfriend were dealing drugs and had child neglect convictions, and so on.
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Post by: cincydooley
 Seaward wrote: Ahtman wrote:She must have had some issues, because typically if you are a straight A student trying to go to med school you don't get involved in making porn where you are easily seen and recognized if for no other reason then you don't want it to show up when you are doing your application for Med School.
I feel like I'm the only one who read the full article.
She had issues with depression, her dad was in and out of jail, her mom and her mom's boyfriend were dealing drugs and had child neglect convictions, and so on.
From another article:
I'd like to emphasize that last line. Nicely done mom. Can we not give this obviously terrible parent her 15 minutes please.
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Post by: daedalus
Seaward wrote: Ahtman wrote:She must have had some issues, because typically if you are a straight A student trying to go to med school you don't get involved in making porn where you are easily seen and recognized if for no other reason then you don't want it to show up when you are doing your application for Med School.
I feel like I'm the only one who read the full article.
She had issues with depression, her dad was in and out of jail, her mom and her mom's boyfriend were dealing drugs and had child neglect convictions, and so on.
I'm not sure I feel that makes the way she was treated any less terrible. I'm not going to scream "zomg bully bully bully!!!", but for feth's sake it's odd how hard of a time people have being human.
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Post by: Easy E
I really don't understand why you would harass someone for doing a skin flick?
Our Puritan heritage sure did feth us up.
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Post by: Sigvatr
All of those are contributing factors to both the suicide and, likely, her choice to doing porn. A lot of young girls starting porn suffer from or show similar signs of a minor depression and lack self-confidence. It's easy to convince such people to do stuff they normally wouldn't do and thus, they are an easy prey for money-making porn-producers. She willingly chose to do porn. Period. The problem is that she could not foresee the outcome of her doings (despite for a normal person people's reactions would have been easy to expect) and it may have been the last drop. This being said, neither side is not guilty on this matter. She brought this upon herself and the others brought it down on her (no sexual innuendo intended) resulting in the tragic climax (no sexual innuendo intended).  Easy E wrote:I really don't understand why you would harass someone for doing a skin flick?
Mostly sexual insecurity. Feel insecure, make others insecure to make yourself feel less insecure / more secure. Basic psychological defense mechanism.
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Post by: Seaward
 daedalus wrote:I'm not sure I feel that makes the way she was treated any less terrible. I'm not going to scream "zomg bully bully bully!!!", but for feth's sake it's odd how hard of a time people have being human.
Ahtman opined that she must have had some other issues. I pointed out some of them.
I've refrained from jumping into the debate over whether or not we need to figure out a way to force people to be nice to each other at all times on social media because I know Dakka OT loves to saddle up the horse and white knight off into the sunset on that kind of topic, and pointing out that she was in fact likely a fethed up kid was not meant to reflect an opinion on how terribly she was treated.
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Post by: Chongara
...and he doesn't even pause to consider when called out on it. Yeah no. I think I'm going to double down on my "What the hell dude?".
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Post by: Gentleman_Jellyfish
Easy E wrote:I really don't understand why you would harass someone for doing a skin flick?
Our Puritan heritage sure did feth us up.
Same reason you'd make fun of someone for a bad haircut or for being fat. Only the people change
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Sigvatr wrote:.
This being said, neither side is not guilty on this matter. She brought this upon herself and the others brought it down on her (no sexual innuendo intended) resulting in the tragic climax (no sexual innuendo intended).
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Let's not overuse tragic here. Tragic is the kids at newtown. Tragic is the kids in SoCal.
This isn't tragic. She made the decision to make porn. She flew 1700 miles to do so. She couldn't handle the response to it from the boys she didn't feth back home and killed herself. That's a whole big string or choices, any of which could have changed the outcome.
This is sorta sad because we could really use more biracial brunettes with natural breasts in a porn industry littered with blondes and fake boobs.
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Post by: Ahtman
Seaward wrote: daedalus wrote:I'm not sure I feel that makes the way she was treated any less terrible. I'm not going to scream "zomg bully bully bully!!!", but for feth's sake it's odd how hard of a time people have being human.
Ahtman opined that she must have had some other issues. I pointed out some of them.
Actually I was just mirroring the article in that someone lacking in these other problems generally don't commit suicide over one incident.
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Post by: cincydooley
 Chongara wrote:
...and he doesn't even pause to consider when called out on it. Yeah no. I think I'm going to double down on my "What the hell dude?".
He knows why he's being "called out on it." He doesn't care because she did it to herself. You can refer to my response above.
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Post by: Gentleman_Jellyfish
cincydooley wrote:This is sorta sad because we could really use more biracial brunettes with natural breasts in a porn industry littered with blondes and fake boobs.
That's why I watch the homemade stuff 
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 Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote: cincydooley wrote:This is sorta sad because we could really use more biracial brunettes with natural breasts in a porn industry littered with blondes and fake boobs.
That's why I watch the homemade stuff
Cheers to that, sir.
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Post by: Sigvatr
Don't get me wrong - it's "tragic" by its very own defition because it certainly is an event that makes some people, maybe not us, grief. I, on a personal level, am pretty neutral on this matter. It's a girl I have never met, lived far, far away and that was killed by her own naivite and underlying problems that were failed to be adressed. I am certainly not emotionally affected by the incident. It still is a tragic event. So, this is now about porn preferences?
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Post by: Ahtman
I don't know, a bright kid with a possible good future but a horrible past (much of which she had no say in) makes an error in judgement and it leads her to feeling like blowing her head off is the only option seems pretty tragic; there are different degrees of tragic, some personal, some large scale.
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Post by: cincydooley
Sigvatr wrote:.
I, on a personal level, am pretty neutral on this matter. It's a girl I have never met, lived far, far away and that was killed by her own naivite and underlying problems that were failed to be adressed. I am certainly not emotionally affected by the incident. It still is a tragic event.
This is where I sit mostly. That and the fact that no one seems to be teaching kids anymore how to cope with donkey-caves and "bullies." I know my parents taught me how to. We're too focused on raising a generation of special snowflakes to teach them how to handle the real, ugly world they're going to inherit.
So, this is now about porn preferences?
We can make it that!
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 Too many double innuendos :O
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Post by: Easy E
Gentleman_Jellyfish wrote: Easy E wrote:I really don't understand why you would harass someone for doing a skin flick?
Our Puritan heritage sure did feth us up.
Same reason you'd make fun of someone for a bad haircut or for being fat. Only the people change
Yeah, I guess I don't get that either.
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Post by: cincydooley
Ahtman wrote:
I don't know, a bright kid with a possible good future but a horrible past (much of which she had no say in) makes an error in judgement and it leads her to feeling like blowing her head off is the only option seems pretty tragic; there are different degrees of tragic, some personal, some large scale.
She could have had a bright future in porn for all we know. Anyone track down the video yet?
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Post by: vWreN
Oh,right! Im back!
What I was trying to say was that nobody has the right to judge a persons choices(especially if theyre legal, like porn in this case). Might it be sexual orioentation, how much you party, how much you drink, whether you snort BECAUSE (mind you these are only my beliefs) that there is a reason for every action we take. The reasons might be, like, totally limitless, for example, attention seeking, which is the most bashed thing atm. But has anyone stopped and wondered WHY the person would act in such a way? Sure, we are quick to judge that the attention seeking person is just a spoiled brat(or in the porn industry case-the girl is simply stupid/slut), but maybe the person has lived in a disfunctional family(like most in Eestern europe , maybe the person has been abused, maybe the person has never felt love-has some inner defect. And because there are actually a million different things why the girl might have chosen to to this(or any other person pretty much anything) I hate when people are being judged as lesser/stupider/laughing stock.
All while these cocks jack off to Sascha Grey and regard to her life choices as perfectly normal and acceptable(cause they fething are).
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Post by: daedalus
Seaward wrote: daedalus wrote:I'm not sure I feel that makes the way she was treated any less terrible. I'm not going to scream "zomg bully bully bully!!!", but for feth's sake it's odd how hard of a time people have being human.
Ahtman opined that she must have had some other issues. I pointed out some of them.
I've refrained from jumping into the debate over whether or not we need to figure out a way to force people to be nice to each other at all times on social media because I know Dakka OT loves to saddle up the horse and white knight off into the sunset on that kind of topic, and pointing out that she was in fact likely a fethed up kid was not meant to reflect an opinion on how terribly she was treated.
Every bit of that makes perfect sense.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
cincydooley wrote:This is sorta sad because we could really use more biracial brunettes with natural breasts in a porn industry littered with blondes and fake boobs.
So that is what you feel sad about?
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Post by: Sigvatr
vWreN wrote:Oh,right! Im back!
What I was trying to say was that nobody has the right to judge a persons choices(especially if theyre legal, like porn in this case). Might it be sexual orioentation, how much you party, how much you drink, whether you snort BECAUSE (mind you these are only my beliefs) that there is a reason for every action we take.
Actually, no, everyone has the right to do so. Freedom of Speech. It only gets problematic when you use your personal judgements to offend others.
All while these cocks jack off to Sascha Grey
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Post by: Chongara
cincydooley wrote: Chongara wrote:
...and he doesn't even pause to consider when called out on it. Yeah no. I think I'm going to double down on my "What the hell dude?".
He knows why he's being "called out on it." He doesn't care because she did it to herself. You can refer to my response above.
Dude. Someone is dead and your first thought is basically "The real shame in these events is that she can't pull out her jiggly bits for my enjoyment anymore". That's crass.
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Post by: cincydooley
vWreN wrote:Oh,right! Im back!
What I was trying to say was that nobody has the right to judge a persons choices(especially if theyre legal, like porn in this case).
Yes we do. We have every right to.
.
All while these cocks jack off to Sascha Grey and regard to her life choices as perfectly normal and acceptable(cause they fething are).
Don't blame the cocks. There's gotta be a hand to pull the trigger.
And give me a break. Who thinks Sasha Grey and her life choices are normal? The only reason Sasha stands out is because she's been able to do some actual acting after porn.
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Post by: vWreN
Sigvatr wrote:vWreN wrote:Oh,right! Im back!
What I was trying to say was that nobody has the right to judge a persons choices(especially if theyre legal, like porn in this case). Might it be sexual orioentation, how much you party, how much you drink, whether you snort BECAUSE (mind you these are only my beliefs) that there is a reason for every action we take.
Actually, no, everyone has the right to do so. Freedom of Speech. It only gets problematic when you use your personal judgements to offend others.
All while these cocks jack off to Sascha Grey
Ah, semantics. You know what I meant.
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Post by: Sigvatr
Well, at least he's honest about his opinion. Better than all those canted "So tragic, I'm so sad!!!!1" knee-jerk reactions that occur after such events. Automatically Appended Next Post: cincydooley wrote:
And give me a break. Who thinks Sasha Grey and her life choices are normal? The only reason Sasha stands out is because she's been able to do some actual acting after porn.
Sasha Grey is an extremely smart businesswoman. She knows exactly what the market (men) wanted and gave it to them while really selling herself well and quitting the business with a very nice profit in her (arguably larger) pockets.
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Post by: cincydooley
Chongara wrote: cincydooley wrote: Chongara wrote:
...and he doesn't even pause to consider when called out on it. Yeah no. I think I'm going to double down on my "What the hell dude?".
He knows why he's being "called out on it." He doesn't care because she did it to herself. You can refer to my response above.
Dude. Someone is dead and your first thought is basically "The real shame in these events is that she can't pull out her jiggly bits for my enjoyment anymore". That's crass.
Oh I'm sorry. Did you know her? Are you sad about Brogan Dulle too? How about Garrick Shelton?
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Sigvatr wrote:Well, at least he's honest about his opinion. Better than all those canted "So tragic, I'm so sad!!!!1" knee-jerk reactions that occur after such events.
Are you saying it is better to be openly a jerk and be proud of it rather than pretending to be a nice person?
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
Sigvatr wrote:Well, at least he's honest about his opinion. Better than all those canted "So tragic, I'm so sad!!!!1" knee-jerk reactions that occur after such events.
Canted? Is that to mean that the opinions are slanted, or is that a mis-type?
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Post by: daedalus
Sigvatr wrote:Well, at least he's honest about his opinion. Better than all those canted "So tragic, I'm so sad!!!!1" knee-jerk reactions that occur after such events.
She wasn't famous. Have one of the big name stars do themselves in and you'll have people crying a storm even as they warm up their favorite DVD.
People are just revolting, and it's not the porn stars I'm talking about.
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Post by: vWreN
Sigvatr wrote:Well, at least he's honest about his opinion. Better than all those canted "So tragic, I'm so sad!!!!1" knee-jerk reactions that occur after such events.
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cincydooley wrote:
And give me a break. Who thinks Sasha Grey and her life choices are normal? The only reason Sasha stands out is because she's been able to do some actual acting after porn.
Sasha Grey is an extremely smart businesswoman. She knows exactly what the market (men) wanted and gave it to them while really selling herself well and quitting the business with a very nice profit in her (arguably larger) pockets.
Honestly, could give less of a gak about that. Fact of the matter is-it`s her life and she does what she wants with it.
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Post by: cincydooley
Sigvatr wrote:
Sasha Grey is an extremely smart businesswoman. She knows exactly what the market (men) wanted and gave it to them while really selling herself well and quitting the business with a very nice profit in her (arguably larger) pockets.
No arguments there. The same could be said for Katie Morgan and to a lesser extent Sibil Kekilli.
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Post by: Sigvatr
Co'tor Shas wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Well, at least he's honest about his opinion. Better than all those canted "So tragic, I'm so sad!!!!1" knee-jerk reactions that occur after such events.
Canted? Is that to mean that the opinions are slanted, or is that a mis-type?
Ugh, I'm tiiiiired :( It's meant that when things like this happen, thousands of people suddenly claim to be "sad". If you are genuinely sad about the death of a person you never met or even knew, that's not normal. Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Well, at least he's honest about his opinion. Better than all those canted "So tragic, I'm so sad!!!!1" knee-jerk reactions that occur after such events.
Are you saying it is better to be openly a jerk and be proud of it rather than pretending to be a nice person?
Uh, yes? daedalus wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Well, at least he's honest about his opinion. Better than all those canted "So tragic, I'm so sad!!!!1" knee-jerk reactions that occur after such events.
She wasn't famous. Have one of the big name stars do themselves in and you'll have people crying a storm even as they warm up their favorite DVD. People are just revolting, and it's not the porn stars I'm talking about.
It's the same, just more in number with more famous people.
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Post by: cincydooley
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Well, at least he's honest about his opinion. Better than all those canted "So tragic, I'm so sad!!!!1" knee-jerk reactions that occur after such events.
Are you saying it is better to be openly a jerk and be proud of it rather than pretending to be a nice person?
I'd rather be honest than offer a disingenuous self serving "oh that's so sad" diatribe.
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
Sigvatr wrote: Co'tor Shas wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Well, at least he's honest about his opinion. Better than all those canted "So tragic, I'm so sad!!!!1" knee-jerk reactions that occur after such events.
Canted? Is that to mean that the opinions are slanted, or is that a mis-type?
Ugh, I'm tiiiiired :(
It's meant that when things like this happen, thousands of people suddenly claim to be "sad". If you are genuinely sad about the death of a person you never met or even knew, that's not normal.
No problem, I just wanted to be sure what you meant .
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Post by: vWreN
Couldnt agree more-honesty is the best policy. Its simple really-if you are being a jerk while being at the same time honest, then you are just a jerk and you dont get to be offended about being called out on it
And so goes if you are nice while being true. And yes-most of us are actually jerks. The real problem starts when you start to throw that gak around unnecesarely as if trying to prove some point. There is no point in making someone feel gakky, so instead of being super-honest you can just shut the feth up for a change. So someone with a weaker soul doesnt blow his brains out, you know...
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Post by: Ahtman
Sigvatr wrote:Better than all those canted "So tragic, I'm so sad!!!!1" knee-jerk reactions that occur after such events.
One can recognize something as tragic without being sad, and vice versa. I recognize that to those close to her this is a tragic day, but I myself am not really moved one way or the other.
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Post by: Sigvatr
Ahtman wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Better than all those canted "So tragic, I'm so sad!!!!1" knee-jerk reactions that occur after such events.
One can recognize something as tragic without being sad, and vice versa. I recognize that to those close to her this is a tragic day, but I myself am not really moved one way or the other.
Sigvatr wrote:Don't get me wrong - it's "tragic" by its very own defition because it certainly is an event that makes some people, maybe not us, grief.
I, on a personal level, am pretty neutral on this matter. It's a girl I have never met, lived far, far away and that was killed by her own naivite and underlying problems that were failed to be adressed. I am certainly not emotionally affected by the incident. It still is a tragic event.
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Post by: Frazzled
vWreN wrote:Oh,right! Im back!
What I was trying to say was that nobody has the right to judge a persons choices(especially if theyre legal, like porn in this case). Might it be sexual orioentation, how much you party, how much you drink, whether you snort BECAUSE (mind you these are only my beliefs) that there is a reason for every action we take. The reasons might be, like, totally limitless, for example, attention seeking, which is the most bashed thing atm. But has anyone stopped and wondered WHY the person would act in such a way? Sure, we are quick to judge that the attention seeking person is just a spoiled brat(or in the porn industry case-the girl is simply stupid/slut), but maybe the person has lived in a disfunctional family(like most in Eestern europe , maybe the person has been abused, maybe the person has never felt love-has some inner defect. And because there are actually a million different things why the girl might have chosen to to this(or any other person pretty much anything) I hate when people are being judged as lesser/stupider/laughing stock.
All while these cocks jack off to Sascha Grey and regard to her life choices as perfectly normal and acceptable(cause they fething are).
Is English your second language? I can't understand what you're trying to say.
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Post by: Triton
Why do we do this? Honestly? Why as a culture are we so eager to trade the dumbing down of our social, emotional, and yes, actual intelligence that social media brings to each of us for pithy jokes and pictures of people's food and babies?
Nobody is interesting enough for Twitter to be worth it. People managed to keep in touch with their friends before Facebook came along. Yeah, I sound like I'm talking from my Luddite cave despite having both Twitter and Facebook accounts, but we all know the cost, right? We all know we're getting dumber, emotionally weaker, more prone to influence, less capable of thinking for ourselves?
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Post by: Ahtman
 Triton wrote:Why do we do this? Honestly? Why as a culture are we so eager to trade the dumbing down of our social, emotional, and yes, actual intelligence that social media brings to each of us for pithy jokes and pictures of people's food and babies?
Nobody is interesting enough for Twitter to be worth it. People managed to keep in touch with their friends before Facebook came along. Yeah, I sound like I'm talking from my Luddite cave despite having both Twitter and Facebook accounts, but we all know the cost, right?
I'm sure you have lots of evidence that people were so much better before the internet and social media. Regale us with tales of that gilded age.
Triton wrote:We all know we're getting dumber, emotionally weaker, more prone to influence, less capable of thinking for ourselves?
I'm not sure this is true either, beyond possibly the emotion part, but only in the sense they have shown that kids that grow up with less face-to-face contact with others are less empathetic and have trouble reading body language. I'm not sure people are really any stupider than they have always been.
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Post by: cincydooley
Triton wrote:Why do we do this? Honestly? Why as a culture are we so eager to trade the dumbing down of our social, emotional, and yes, actual intelligence that social media brings to each of us for pithy jokes and pictures of people's food and babies?
Nobody is interesting enough for Twitter to be worth it. People managed to keep in touch with their friends before Facebook came along. Yeah, I sound like I'm talking from my Luddite cave despite having both Twitter and Facebook accounts, but we all know the cost, right? We all know we're getting dumber, emotionally weaker, more prone to influence, less capable of thinking for ourselves?
Speak for yourself.
I use twitter almost exclusively for news.
I also recognize that if I wanted to "avoid mean twitter and Facebook people" I could simply delete the app.
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Post by: Co'tor Shas
I think it's pretty safe to assume that people are just as horrible, it's just that social media give them an outlet to spread their hate further.
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Post by: Jihadin
Before Internet.
One less avenue of abuse to commit suicide
Disagreement can be resolved by fists to the chanting of "Fight Fight Fight"
Actually have "human" friends that you met and know over time
Near death experience with dealing with a 2ft spaghetti cord that been stretched to 8ft
Set of Encyclopedia
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Post by: Ahtman
Jihadin wrote:Before Firearms.
One less avenue of abuse to commit suicide
Disagreement can be resolved by fists to the chanting of "Fight Fight Fight"
What do you know, it works when you replace 'internet' with just about anything. 
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Post by: Easy E
cincydooley wrote: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Sigvatr wrote:Well, at least he's honest about his opinion. Better than all those canted "So tragic, I'm so sad!!!!1" knee-jerk reactions that occur after such events.
Are you saying it is better to be openly a jerk and be proud of it rather than pretending to be a nice person?
I'd rather be honest than offer a disingenuous self serving "oh that's so sad" diatribe.
Way to keep it real.
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Post by: Jihadin
Which been around a lot longer
Fire Arms
or
Internet
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Post by: AlmightyWalrus
cincydooley wrote:
I also recognize that if I wanted to "avoid mean twitter and Facebook people" I could simply delete the app.
Wait, you can turn people off IRL if you delete your Twitter and Facebook apps now?
EDIT: On a separate note, what purpose does including her "on-screen name" in the interview serve?
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Post by: cincydooley
 AlmightyWalrus wrote: cincydooley wrote:
I also recognize that if I wanted to "avoid mean twitter and Facebook people" I could simply delete the app.
Wait, you can turn people off IRL if you delete your Twitter and Facebook apps now?
EDIT: On a separate note, what purpose does including her "on-screen name" in the interview serve?
She was getting "harassed" on social media. Not in person. So yes.
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Post by: Ahtman
cincydooley wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: cincydooley wrote:
I also recognize that if I wanted to "avoid mean twitter and Facebook people" I could simply delete the app.
Wait, you can turn people off IRL if you delete your Twitter and Facebook apps now?
EDIT: On a separate note, what purpose does including her "on-screen name" in the interview serve?
She was getting "harassed" on social media. Not in person. So yes.
Turning it off also means turning off your friends and family that aren't harassing you, and like it or not, has become as ubiquitous as phones. If you are in Afghanistan you can probably get by without a phone or social media, but in the first world they are part of everyday life, and the younger you are the more deeply ingrained as part of a normal social experience.
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Post by: Medium of Death
It's insane how integrated younger people are. I'm a couple of years older than most of my Uni peers and the younger ones are all about their smart phones and checking that gak constantly. Some are worse than others. I can easily see 13/14/15 year olds that have this as requiring it second only to air and perhaps food as they get older.
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
The thing that I dont understand, and probably never will, is how it's completely not OK that this girl from Minnesota does a porn film, and is harrassed to the point of suicide for it; But that girl from Duke does the same thing and she either doesn't get near the amount of harassment for it, or she gets more support from friends, etc.
Is it really that much different from NC to MN? Are the cultures in the two places still that far apart that the same career choices (if you want to call a single film a career) have such drastically different outcomes?
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Post by: cincydooley
 Ensis Ferrae wrote:The thing that I dont understand, and probably never will, is how it's completely not OK that this girl from Minnesota does a porn film, and is harrassed to the point of suicide for it; But that girl from Duke does the same thing and she either doesn't get near the amount of harassment for it, or she gets more support from friends, etc.
Is it really that much different from NC to MN? Are the cultures in the two places still that far apart that the same career choices (if you want to call a single film a career) have such drastically different outcomes?
I doubt it. There seems to be a pretty major difference in how the two women perceived it, though. If Funke felt "empowered" as Knox has claimed she does, I doubt she would have killed herself.
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Post by: whembly
Ahtman wrote: cincydooley wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: cincydooley wrote:
I also recognize that if I wanted to "avoid mean twitter and Facebook people" I could simply delete the app.
Wait, you can turn people off IRL if you delete your Twitter and Facebook apps now?
EDIT: On a separate note, what purpose does including her "on-screen name" in the interview serve?
She was getting "harassed" on social media. Not in person. So yes.
Turning it off also means turning off your friends and family that aren't harassing you, and like it or not, has become as ubiquitous as phones. If you are in Afghanistan you can probably get by without a phone or social media, but in the first world they are part of everyday life, and the younger you are the more deeply ingrained as part of a normal social experience.
Erm... I know plenty who aren't on facebooks at all...
Also, only use twitter as my TMZ / News feed. No one needs to read my tweets.
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Post by: Sigvatr
Ensis Ferrae wrote:The thing that I dont understand, and probably never will, is how it's completely not OK that this girl from Minnesota does a porn film, and is harrassed to the point of suicide for it; But that girl from Duke does the same thing and she either doesn't get near the amount of harassment for it, or she gets more support from friends, etc.
Is it really that much different from NC to MN? Are the cultures in the two places still that far apart that the same career choices (if you want to call a single film a career) have such drastically different outcomes?
It's about how you handle the issue.
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Post by: Ensis Ferrae
Sigvatr wrote: Ensis Ferrae wrote:The thing that I dont understand, and probably never will, is how it's completely not OK that this girl from Minnesota does a porn film, and is harrassed to the point of suicide for it; But that girl from Duke does the same thing and she either doesn't get near the amount of harassment for it, or she gets more support from friends, etc.
Is it really that much different from NC to MN? Are the cultures in the two places still that far apart that the same career choices (if you want to call a single film a career) have such drastically different outcomes?
It's about how you handle the issue.
While true, there does, on the surface at least, appear to be much more negative external input towards the young lady from Minnesota when compared to the lady from Duke.
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Post by: Ahtman
And there are people that don't have phones either, but that doesn't mean they aren't wildly out of step with the rest of society. We have one guy in our game group who doesn't use any social media and is always behind on the game schedule and what is going on. Automatically Appended Next Post: cincydooley wrote: Ensis Ferrae wrote:The thing that I dont understand, and probably never will, is how it's completely not OK that this girl from Minnesota does a porn film, and is harrassed to the point of suicide for it; But that girl from Duke does the same thing and she either doesn't get near the amount of harassment for it, or she gets more support from friends, etc.
Is it really that much different from NC to MN? Are the cultures in the two places still that far apart that the same career choices (if you want to call a single film a career) have such drastically different outcomes?
I doubt it. There seems to be a pretty major difference in how the two women perceived it, though. If Funke felt "empowered" as Knox has claimed she does, I doubt she would have killed herself.
She still said " everyday is a nightmare", but I imagine the difference is level of support from those not attacking her and less history of mental problems to begin with.
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Post by: cincydooley
She's full of it. If it was "such a nightmare" she wouldn't be going on the view and if she wanted to keep it a secret she certainly wouldn't have shared it with someone at a frat party.
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Post by: whembly
Ahtman wrote:
And there are people that don't have phones either, but that doesn't mean they aren't wildly out of step with the rest of society. We have one guy in our game group who doesn't use any social media and is always behind on the game schedule and what is going on.
I'm just challenging the notion that one couldn't "extricate" themselves from social media. That's all.
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Post by: daedalus
cincydooley wrote:She's full of it. If it was "such a nightmare" she wouldn't be going on the view and if she wanted to keep it a secret she certainly wouldn't have shared it with someone at a frat party.
Truly she must have been faking it when she offed herself.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
I think he was talking about Belle Knox, not the poor girl that suicided.
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Post by: daedalus
 whembly wrote:
I'm just challenging the notion that one couldn't "extricate" themselves from social media. That's all.
It's alienating. I'm not even that young, and sometimes I wish I had a facebook account. I have about 5-6 people I'm incredibly good friends with, and I talk to those people over email usually if we're not meeting in person. People usually tell me on short notice about upcoming gettogethers and stuff, because they forget I'm not on the facebook and they feel like they have to catalog it in there rather than just compose a brief email.
So it's doable, but not for someone who's a social butterfly. Even my situation would be exacerbated if you took someone 10 years younger. I don't think they actually use email for casual communication anymore at that age.
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Post by: Ahtman
whembly wrote: Ahtman wrote:
And there are people that don't have phones either, but that doesn't mean they aren't wildly out of step with the rest of society. We have one guy in our game group who doesn't use any social media and is always behind on the game schedule and what is going on.
I'm just challenging the notion that one couldn't "extricate" themselves from social media. That's all.
And I never said it was impossible, just that it isn't some outlier part of society. Mere existence doesn't require much, but existing and thriving within a society is different.
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Post by: niv-mizzet
I believe she killed herself.
I don't believe even the slightest speculation as to what the triggers were.
As soon as a news station stops stating objective fact, I stop listening. One of my best friends works in the news, and shares just how much "cleanup and spice" they'll put in to make a story captivating.
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Post by: daedalus
Maybe. Based on some of the comments, I honestly can't tell anymore.
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Post by: Ahtman
cincydooley wrote:She's full of it. If it was "such a nightmare" she wouldn't be going on the view and if she wanted to keep it a secret she certainly wouldn't have shared it with someone at a frat party.
Well she told the person in the belief that it was to be kept secret, so it seems the problem was trusting the wrong person. She went on The View after being outed, as it were, in direct response to the harassment she received when it was found out. Doing porn isn't an excuse for threatening people or harassing them.
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Post by: carlos13th
I think its disgusting that people are defending the harassment and abuse she received over being a porn star. She fethed someone on camera for money so what. That doesn't mean she deserves to be called a slut, whore or whatever else and treated like gak because of it.
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Post by: cincydooley
daedalus wrote:
Maybe. Based on some of the comments, I honestly can't tell anymore.
That's clearly who I was talking about. Automatically Appended Next Post:  carlos13th wrote:I think its disgusting that people are defending the harassment and abuse she received over being a porn star. She fethed someone on camera for money so what. That doesn't mean she deserves to be called a slut, whore or whatever else and treated like gak because of it.
No, it doesn't. But you have to be pretty obtuse to think people wouldn't have some judgmental opinions on it. Again, she made all the choices on her own. Every one of them.
None of that means that when I get home I'm not going to find and watch her film.
As a memorial, of course. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ahtman wrote:. Doing porn isn't an excuse for threatening people or harassing them.
I agree with the threatening part. I think if you do something that is "against the norm" it's a reasonable expectation that people may criticize you.
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Post by: Easy E
Ensis Ferrae wrote:The thing that I dont understand, and probably never will, is how it's completely not OK that this girl from Minnesota does a porn film, and is harrassed to the point of suicide for it; But that girl from Duke does the same thing and she either doesn't get near the amount of harassment for it, or she gets more support from friends, etc.
Is it really that much different from NC to MN? Are the cultures in the two places still that far apart that the same career choices (if you want to call a single film a career) have such drastically different outcomes?
As someone from MN I will say that yes there is a HUGE culture difference.
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Post by: Frazzled
carlos13th wrote:I think its disgusting that people are defending the harassment and abuse she received over being a porn star. She fethed someone on camera for money so what. That doesn't mean she deserves to be called a slut, whore or whatever else and treated like gak because of it.
Wait. she is one. She meets the complete legal definition. Truth is a defense. Sorry.
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Post by: Ouze
Please cite the legal definition of the phrase "slut" and/or "whore".
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Post by: Easy E
There is a legal definition for "slut" now?
I hope I misunderstood your comment Fraz.
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Post by: Frazzled
 Ouze wrote:Please cite the legal definition of the phrase "slut" and/or "whore".
Prostitute: someone who has sex for money.
If you don't like the crime, don't do the time.
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Post by: MrDwhitey
Some incredibly poor taste and crass comments.
Probably the worst I've seen on Dakka, actually.
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Post by: Frazzled
 MrDwhitey wrote:Some incredibly poor taste and crass comments.
Probably the worst I've seen on Dakka, actually.
Just some of? We'll have to try harder.
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Post by: MrDwhitey
Amazingly, I don't mean you for once Frazzled.
You know I hate you but I'm not gonna lie to feed my hate.
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Post by: cincydooley
Frazzled wrote: MrDwhitey wrote:Some incredibly poor taste and crass comments.
Probably the worst I've seen on Dakka, actually.
Just some of? We'll have to try harder.
I'll be trying plenty hard in a few hours when I track down this casting couch video.
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Post by: Ouze
Frazzled wrote: Ouze wrote:Please cite the legal definition of the phrase "slut" and/or "whore".
Prostitute: someone who has sex for money.
If you don't like the crime, don't do the time.
California v Freeman says, legally speaking, adult film stars are not prostitutes. I think you've made a false equivocation.
In any event, tormenting someone who has made poor life choices really says more about the people who do the tormenting than the person on the receiving end.
But that's how we roll, I guess.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
cincydooley wrote:None of that means that when I get home I'm not going to find and watch her film.
As a memorial, of course.
Because watching a porn movie that did not made the life of its actress so bad she committed suicide would not be as enjoyable to you?
Frazzled wrote:Wait. she is one. She meets the complete legal definition. Truth is a defense. Sorry.
There is a legal definition of slut and whore now?
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Post by: -Shrike-
MrDwhitey wrote:Some incredibly poor taste and crass comments.
Probably the worst I've seen on Dakka, actually.
This is nothing compared to drunk posting or the frequent torture fantasies. Or even the drunk torture fantasies.
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Post by: MrDwhitey
 -Shrike- wrote: MrDwhitey wrote:Some incredibly poor taste and crass comments.
Probably the worst I've seen on Dakka, actually.
This is nothing compared to drunk posting or the frequent torture fantasies. Or even the drunk torture fantasies.
The thing is, I generally fully expect those so I'm more... used to that.
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Post by: Frazzled
Thats California. The legal nature of the porn industry is dubious at best. You don't want to argue that road.
Sorry my point stands, and nor was I arguing the legality of it.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
Frazzled wrote: Ouze wrote:Please cite the legal definition of the phrase "slut" and/or "whore".
Prostitute: someone who has sex for money.
And that is neither the definition of slut nor the definition of whore, that is the definition of prostitute. Not likely a legal definition either, it lacks the usual verbiage.
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Post by: cincydooley
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Because watching a porn movie that did not made the life of its actress so bad she committed suicide would not be as enjoyable to you?
?
I'm not sure I understand what you're staying so I'll clarify:
I'm going to jerk off to her video later provided I can find it.
As a memorial.
And so we're clear: I do not think she was necessarily a slut or whore. I think she simply wanted to have sex for money and have it videotaped.
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Post by: Easy E
Frazzled wrote:
Thats California. The legal nature of the porn industry is dubious at best. You don't want to argue that road.
Sorry my point stands, and nor was I arguing the legality of it.
For the second time in this thread....
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
cincydooley wrote:I'm not sure I understand what you're staying so I'll clarify: I'm going to jerk off to her video later provided I can find it. As a memorial.
Well, that is a great idea! Why not also picketing her funeral with some “God hate fags” and “She will burn in hell” signs too while you are at it? You know, as a memorial.
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Post by: Frazzled
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Frazzled wrote: Ouze wrote:Please cite the legal definition of the phrase "slut" and/or "whore".
Prostitute: someone who has sex for money.
And that is neither the definition of slut nor the definition of whore, that is the definition of prostitute. Not likely a legal definition either, it lacks the usual verbiage.
For clarity I'm discussing only the whore reference. Thats exactly what that is. I am not arguing the legality of it. I am not arguing the morality of it. I'm arguing you can't get butthurt when someone calls someone else what their profession is. Its not like they were calling her a lawyer or something.
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Post by: Sigvatr
cincydooley wrote: Frazzled wrote: MrDwhitey wrote:Some incredibly poor taste and crass comments.
Probably the worst I've seen on Dakka, actually.
Just some of? We'll have to try harder.
I'll be trying plenty hard in a few hours when I track down this casting couch video.
For research purposes of course!
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Post by: Easy E
cincydooley wrote: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Because watching a porn movie that did not made the life of its actress so bad she committed suicide would not be as enjoyable to you?
?
I'm not sure I understand what you're staying so I'll clarify:
I'm going to jerk off to her video later provided I can find it.
As a memorial.
And so we're clear: I do not think she was necessarily a slut or whore. I think she simply wanted to have sex for money and have it videotaped.
Countdown to thread lockage has begun.
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Post by: -Shrike-
Easy E wrote: cincydooley wrote: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Because watching a porn movie that did not made the life of its actress so bad she committed suicide would not be as enjoyable to you?
?
I'm not sure I understand what you're staying so I'll clarify:
I'm going to jerk off to her video later provided I can find it.
As a memorial.
And so we're clear: I do not think she was necessarily a slut or whore. I think she simply wanted to have sex for money and have it videotaped.
Countdown to thread lockage has begun.
Pfft, it began as soon as someone made a topic with porn in the title.
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Post by: Sigvatr
Tbf, though, porn isn't inherently bad. It gets bad when it's done by people not aware of possible consequences. Revenge porn etc.
Regular porn is a legit business, imo. "Professional" porn is on a steady decline, but amateur porn has seen insane rises in the past few years. If you have a look at how much you gotta pay for ads on popular porn sites...it's ridiculous. And really, if a woman wants to make money by having sex with other people and getting filmed doing it, why not, it's her decision. As long as it's within legal rights of course.
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Post by: cincydooley
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Well, that is a great idea! Why not also picketing her funeral with some “God hate fags” and “She will burn in hell” signs too while you are at it? You know, as a memorial.
Why would I do that? I don't think she'll burn in hell for doing porn. Is a heterosexual porn so I have no reason to believe she was gay, nor so I believe god hates homosexuals.
I'll be really appreciative of her contributions to pornography for the 15-22 seconds it'll take me to finish my tribute. Err ...research. Automatically Appended Next Post: Sigvatr wrote:Tbf, though, porn isn't inherently bad. It gets bad when it's done by people not aware of possible consequences. Revenge porn etc.
Regular porn is a legit business, imo. "Professional" porn is on a steady decline, but amateur porn has seen insane rises in the past few years. If you have a look at how much you gotta pay for ads on popular porn sites...it's ridiculous. And really, if a woman wants to make money by having sex with other people and getting filmed doing it, why not, it's her decision. As long as it's within legal rights of course.
I agree with this sentiment and it's also a reason why I think prostitution should be legal. .
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Post by: purplefood
This thread has gone full victim blaming.
Never go full victim blaming.
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Post by: Ouze
Frazzled wrote:
Thats California. The legal nature of the porn industry is dubious at best. You don't want to argue that road.
That established the precedent that has been upheld in other venues since then.
Frazzled wrote:
Sorry my point stands, and nor was I arguing the legality of it.
If you weren't trying to argue the legality of it, why did you say it's OK to call her a slut and or whore because she fits the legal definition?
Frazzled wrote:Wait. she is one. She meets the complete legal definition. Truth is a defense. Sorry.
Your words, not mine.
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Post by: -Shrike-
 purplefood wrote:This thread has gone full victim blaming.
Never go full victim blaming.
I don't think we're really blaming the victim as such here, apart from the obvious fact that she killed herself, therefore some of the blame lies on her.
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Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl
For research purpose? For a memorial? Because you are an insensitive jerk with some weird morbid fetish?
I actually have no damn clue why you would do that.
cincydooley wrote:Is a heterosexual porn so I have no reason to believe she was gay, nor so I believe god hates homosexuals.
Missed the Westboro Baptist Church reference?
cincydooley wrote:I agree with this sentiment and it's also a reason why I think prostitution should be legal.
And your total lack of respect or decency is a meaningful part of why there are so much resistance to it becoming legal.
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Post by: cincydooley
Just a quick status update: video found.
Full review to come.
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Post by: Ouze
I think seeking out and planning to pleasure yourself to a pornographic film whose sole notability is someone most famous for killing herself to be, at best, disturbing.
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Post by: -Shrike-
Genuine curiosity here, no real desire to watch it, but is it actually still on the website named in the article?
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Post by: cincydooley
Oh no. I got it. It's just completely misplaced here. For multiple reasons. I've not once condemned her for doing porn.
And your total lack of respect or decency is a meaningful part of why there are so much resistance to it becoming legal.
That literally has nothing to do with it. Automatically Appended Next Post: -Shrike- wrote:
Genuine curiosity here, no real desire to watch it, but is it actually still on the website named in the article?
It is.
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Post by: Ouze
-Shrike- wrote:Genuine curiosity here, no real desire to watch it, but is it actually still on the website named in the article?
Why would it be pulled? The people who produced the films are done with her, both legally and morally. There's money to be made.
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Post by: cincydooley
Ouze wrote:I think seeking out and planning to pleasure yourself to a pornographic film whose sole notability is someone most famous for killing herself to be, at best, disturbing.
I couldn't care less if she was "famous". Melissa McCarthy is plenty famous and you'd have to staple my eyes open to watch her do porn. feth, Lena Dunhams naked ass makes my dick limp.
Ms Funke, god bless her soul, is super hot and will probably engender a different response from my biology. Automatically Appended Next Post: Ouze wrote: -Shrike- wrote:Genuine curiosity here, no real desire to watch it, but is it actually still on the website named in the article?
Why would it be pulled? The people who produced the films are done with her, both legally and morally. There's money to be made.
Exactly. If anything they'll probably market it more. When Anna Nicole Smith died her porn sales went way up.
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Post by: NuggzTheNinja
sebster wrote: NuggzTheNinja wrote:Long story short - that could be construed as "bullying" but level-headed people don't kill themselves when people criticize their life choices.
Yeah, because socially ostracizing someone and calling them a 'ho is criticizing their life choices.
Actually, yes. It's not the most eloquent delivery system for criticism, but it's criticism.
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Post by: -Shrike-
Fair enough. I guess money overrules everything else, especially in this sector.
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Post by: NuggzTheNinja
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Post by: daedalus
This is perhaps the new low for Dakka. I'm gonna check out for a little while. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Autist? That's a new one, actually.
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Post by: NuggzTheNinja
Oh boy...
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Post by: yakface
This thread is being locked due to the incredibly crass and tactless comments found within.
If you wanted to discuss the topic at hand (someone making an adult film, being harassed and whether that harassment contributed to heir suicide), that is fine.
But gleefully dancing on someone's grave by talking about you are going to masturbate to their film is both incredibly crass/rude in general and also textbook trolling to those people who actually are interested in discussing the topic.
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