acreedon wrote:When will the codex be in stores for preview? Dec 17th?

The Grundel wrote:For those that haven't figured it out. The EXTREMELY WEAK US dollar is the reason the prices seem higher then normal. It has NOTHING to do with "Greed" or anything like that on GW's part.

Fateweaver wrote:I think the usage of red, extremely large font indicates a very small, flesh colored appendage (and I don't mean an arm).

Tyranid Hormagaunt Brood
The Hormagaunt is a highly specialised Tyranid bioform. Each Hormagaunt has four razor-sharp claws specially developed for ripping and piercing flesh and armour, and powerful hind legs that allow the creature to dart into combat at an astounding speed.
This box set contains 12 multi-part plastic Hormagaunts. This 72-piece set includes: four different head designs and two different body designs. Models supplied with 25mm round bases.

Tyranid Termagant Brood
Termagants are fast, agile and cunning creatures. In planetary invasions, Termagants scuttle forward on four legs whilst unleashing torrents of fire from the anti-personnel bio-weaponry clutched in their clawed forelimbs.
This box set contains 12 multi-part plastic Termagants and one Ripper Swarm. This 175-piece set includes: three different head designs, two different body designs, fleshborers, spinefists, devourers, adrenal glands and toxin sacs. Also included are 12 25mm round bases and one 40mm round base.

Tyranid Hive Guard
The Hive Guard are charged with protecting Tyranid structures and are capable of unleashing salvo after salvo of intense firepower. Essentially gun-beasts, they are heavily armoured and have a body designed to be a stable firing platform for the massive impaler cannon bonded to their forelimbs. Physically linked to the shard-beasts that comprise the ammunition to their cannons, Hive Guard can target enemies with unerring accuracy - even those who they cannot see.
This blister contains one finely-detailed metal Tyranid Hive Guard armed with Impaler cannon. Model supplied with a 40mm round base.

Tyranid Venomthrope
The Venomthrope's whip-like tentacles drip with a multitude of alien poisons. Indeed, so potent are these toxins that it is believed that a Venomthrope's very touch means certain death. Under a Venomthrope's heavy carapace is a network of bulging, gas filled bladders that emit yellowish spore clouds. These clouds are lethal to non-Tyranid organisms and dense enough to obscure nearby Tyranid organisms.
This blister contains one finely-detailed metal Venomthrope. Model supplied with a 40mm round base.

Tyranid Pyrovore
A Pyrovore's maw drips with corrosive acids that are powerful enough to reduce armour, flesh and bone to a gooey, smouldering mucous. When confronted by a foe the Pyrovore launches forth an incandescent fireball from its dorsal bio-weapon that reduces its victim to a pile of burning ash.
This box set contains one seven-part, finely-detailed metal Tyranid Pyrovore. Model supplied with a 60mm round base

Tyranid Ravener Brood
Raveners were designed for shock assault and swift pursuit. They have incredible senses which allow them to track their prey over massive distances and detect the slightest movement, and a taut musculature that grants them terrifying speed. Raveners slither towards the foe with bewildering swiftness as their thorax-mounted weapon-symbiotes spit death.
This box set contains three multi-part plastic Tyranid Raveners. This 57-piece set includes a range of additional components that allow you to personalise your Ravener Brood. Models supplied with 40mm round bases.

Tyranid Gargoyle Brood
Gargoyles are often the first wave of a Tyranid swarm to be seen in battle. Thus a Tyranid attack is preceded by the beating of thousands of membranous wings as Gargoyle Broods descend upon the foe; blocking out the sun, and spitting death from their fleshborers and caustic venom from their fanged mouths.
This box set contains 10 multi-part plastic Tyranid Gargoyles. Models supplied with small flying bases.

Tyranid Trygon / Mawloc
The Trygon is a colossal serpentine creature whose iron-hard carapace is proof against all but the heaviest of weapons and whose giant talons can scythe through even the most formidable battle-tank. In battle, a Trygon's shifting mass generates lethal bio-electric energy that it unleashes upon its foes in vicious arcs of lighting.
Mawlocs are huge worm-like creatures with massive razor-toothed maws that act as the entryway to their equally cavernous gullets. Most of a Mawloc's victims are swallowed whole, there to be painfully digested. Anything to large to swallow is pounded flat by the Mawloc's muscular tail before being devoured.
This box set contains one large multi-part plastic miniature that can be assembled as either a Tyranid Trygon or Tyranid Mawloc. This 97-piece set contains a range of additional components that allow you to personalise your model. Model supplied with a large oval base.

BrassScorpion wrote:The Tyranid Codex had a major printing error in it so no preview copy in the stores at the usual time and the release date on the book has been pushed back till a corrected print run can be obtained.

That hasn't stopped them before

Kanluwen wrote:With that Trygon curled up like it is--it'd fit on a Valk base and still have about a couple of millimeters of free area around it.

Platuan4th wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:With that Trygon curled up like it is--it'd fit on a Valk base and still have about a couple of millimeters of free area around it.

This.

I test fit my Trygon on a Valk base before assembling my first Valk and there's plenty of space with no overhang from the Trygon.

GW Site wrote:
Model supplied with a large oval base.

Kwosge wrote:In regards to the new codex we all know that they were pushed back because GW made about 1000 to many errors in it.

JD21290 wrote:To be honest here, Nids used to be a swarm army.
By changing the force and tweaking gaunt rules me thinks thats the way they are heading with this.
However, the trygon/maw have just reinforced the zilla builds, so im not sure what GW are up to.

My guess though would be trying to bring the nids into more of a swarm based style, rather than big hitters.
Hence why the plastic gargs are out, as are the ravs, new gaunt box's.

to be honest, i like what GW have done so far, and thier plastic kits are just getting better.
Im happy with whats out so far, so if they can keep the dex gak free and without many mistakes it wouldnt be bad

Lukus83 wrote:Has anyone noticed that with all the stuff now up on the GW site...warriors and broodlords are now troops. It seems that we will be getting an inevitable nerf to the broodlord since he will just be an upgrade character (on the plus side he won't be an IC).

Oh and thanks for the close ups farmer.


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Oh and zoanthropes have been moved to elite...interesting.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Isn't that the point of new models?

Lukus83 wrote:I'm hoping that nothing will be outclassed per se, just given a different role.

Trygons will now be THE heavy support choice, while fexes will be weaker, but cheaper in points and you will be able to field them en masse. Etc etc...

Farmer wrote:

Lukus83 wrote:I'm hoping that nothing will be outclassed per se, just given a different role.

Trygons will now be THE heavy support choice, while fexes will be weaker, but cheaper in points and you will be able to field them en masse. Etc etc...

Indeed,can't wait to see 3 trygons guant ravener spam armys :3

Farmer wrote:

Lukus83 wrote:Has anyone noticed that with all the stuff now up on the GW site...warriors and broodlords are now troops. It seems that we will be getting an inevitable nerf to the broodlord since he will just be an upgrade character (on the plus side he won't be an IC).

Oh and thanks for the close ups farmer.


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Oh and zoanthropes have been moved to elite...interesting.

Also who the feth is going to use tyrant guards now?.

Lukus83 wrote:1...I'm gonna be fielding 3 of those bad boys.

Nenya97 wrote:9 carnifexes is not going to be fun, I just can't shake that feeling, man. Someone please prove me wrong

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Kwosge wrote:In regards to the new codex we all know that they were pushed back because GW made about 1000 to many errors in it.

GW doesn't do reprints because of product quality issues.

I still say GW's bean counters pushed the Nid release to bump their 2010 revenue instead of their 2009 revenue.

That said, I very much like that Trygon model.

bhsman wrote:Yes, because no army has access to long-range, high strength and AP weaponry.

Anpu42 wrote:

bhsman wrote:Yes, because no army has access to long-range, high strength and AP weaponry.

I Have a Company with 21 Plasma Weapons that should do good.

Farmer wrote:

Hive Tyrants with crushing claws ? .

Lukus83 wrote:There's a hive tyrant with crushing claws (the one on the right)...currenty that's not legal.

Fateweaver wrote:A beautifully painted sample army. Don't read too much into the heirodule as it's not in the codex.

LunaHound wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:A beautifully painted sample army. Don't read too much into the heirodule as it's not in the codex.

( im just confused to what does that have to do with the new release )

puma713 wrote:Who knows, since the rules haven't been released. But an indirect-firing, supposedly Str 8, 2 shot weapon fired with "unerring accuracy" (quote from GW) makes the Guards pretty inticing.

JohnHwangDD wrote:The Mawloc version of the Trygon isn't bad. It's better than the tentacley Vemon thing.

gorgon wrote:

puma713 wrote:Who knows, since the rules haven't been released. But an indirect-firing, supposedly Str 8, 2 shot weapon fired with "unerring accuracy" (quote from GW) makes the Guards pretty inticing.

Per someone on Warseer, the impaler gun doesn't need LOS AND ignores cover. If it's AP4, that should be another nail in Nob Bikers' coffin. If it's AP3, it's going to be harsh on Tau suits too.

And it's important to note that Hive Guard are a separate Elites choice. Tyrant Guard are still the only way to get protection for the HT.

All entries get new artwork.
At least two new bioweapons: a canon (Hive Guard and/or Pyrovore) and a thorax swarm (Pyrovore?).
Broodlord no HQ (still hoping for Broodlord Alpha being one).
Ravenors compatible sizewise with Warriors (was said before IIRC)
Carnifex gets more attacks and better BS. Broods of 3 confirmed.
Biomorphs for Gargoyles not included but sprue available separately (most people will have enough from the gaunts boxes). "Venom rending" confirmed (automatic wound on 6).
Trygon same size as FW one (see attached pic, my trygon based on a CD). Monstrous creature, parts compatible with carnifex. Will form tunnel swarm together with Ravenors. Will get Apocalypse data sheets in WD Ferbuary. Alpha Trygon Synapse.
Mawloc (German Morgon!) shock troop, can fall back, can borrow/disappear during movement phase just to shock back next round. If Mawloc base shocking in contact with enemy base, place 5" template above and everyone in contact with it will get S6 AP2 hit.
Pyrovore called cc monster with said acid spray attack, but personally I am still convinced of the second artillery attack. GW suggests to also use Pyrovore counting as big Biovore.
Broodlord and Warriors removed from HQ, leaving the lone Hive tyrant (still hoping for Alpha variants).
Tyrant guard gets frenzy and another rule, if Hive Tyrant is killed.
Lictor not 0-1 anymore, one more life, cheaper. Death leaper in Codex with some special rules and mail order only.
Red Terror not rulewise in Codex (just mentioned), model can be used counting as Ravenor.
Zoanthrope has "long range" anti-tank (longer than before?).

Because Ravs get thorax weapons.

Hive Tyrant - increased WS and I

Tyrant Guard - gain Furious Charge and Rage if the Hive Tyrant they are guarding is killed

Hive Guard - BS4

Lictor - increased stats (e.g. 3 Wounds), reduced points cost

Pyrovore - similar statline to Tyrant Guard, "Flamer" (my inverted commas) Poisoned 2+, AP3

Tyranid Warriors - 3 Wounds, 4+ Sv as standard

Hormagaunts - I5 and Ld6, points cost halved

Gargoyles - Poisoned rule: Each roll of 6 to hit and to wound cause a wound, reduced points cost

Carnifex - 1-3 per slot, WS4, BS3 as standard

Trygon - Close combat monster, when Deep Striking if it lands on a model it counts as having assaulted that model/unit

Mawloc - Less close combat orientated, when Deep Striking any model touched suffers a S6 AP2 hit and survivors are pushed out the way as the Mawloc emerges. At the end of any subsequent Tyranid movement phase the Mawloc can re-burrow and will automatically arrive the following Tyranid turn applying its special Deep Striking rules.

reds8n wrote:A little clarification from Mr. Scryer in the Darkness from Warseer

Tyranid Warriors - 3 Wounds, 4+ Sv as standard

T4 W3 Sv4+... Where have I seen that before?

Ah, yes...

OGRYNS!

And we all know how much those rock!

Tyrant Guard - gain Furious Charge and Rage if the Hive Tyrant they are guarding is killed

winterman wrote:Except Ogryn aren't fearless, don't score, can't be made into complex units, don't have access to good cc upgrades, are 5+ save (IIRC, could be wrong) and their guns are limited to 12". Eternal Warrior may still show up in some form also (liek say catalyst psychic power). Other then that it's a good comparison

Still need to see points and synergy though before declaring meh or win.

Lictor - increased stats (e.g. 3 Wounds), reduced points cost

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Lictor - increased stats (e.g. 3 Wounds), reduced points cost

Won't mean a damned thing if the mother fether isn't T5.

"Codex: Tyranids contains a whole new set of creatures that are not yet covered by Citadel Miniatures. Enthusiastic players will want to create their own Tyrannofex or Tervigon with the help of the descriptions and images from the bestiary. (The product brief advises that) these can be assembled from a combination of parts of the Carnifex, Trygon and Tyranid Monstrous Arms Bitz Pack."

"Tyranid Warriors - Can be converted to an Alpha Warrior, a Tyranid HQ, which is ideal to lead a growing army of Tyranids or support a Hive Tyrant in its task. (The product brief advises that) you can combine the Tyranid Warriors kit with the new plastic Raveners to represent an Alpha Warrior."

"Trygon - Many parts of this kit are compatible with the Carnifex, enabling customers to create their own Tyranid monstrosities. In addition to the entry in Codex: Tyranids, there is also the option for Trygon with Ravener Brood 'Tunnel Swarm' formation for Apocalypse."

"Mawloc - Special rule is called 'Terror from the Deep' and it can 'smash defenses'." (This may just be flowery descriptive text rather than necessarily in-game function)

"Pyrovore - Are melee monsters that devour their enemies, beaking down the biomass of their victims and then transforming it into a powerful acid attack (in the form of a flamer template)."

reds8n wrote:Few more snippets from Scryer in the Darkness and his marketing brief..

"Codex: Tyranids contains a whole new set of creatures that are not yet covered by Citadel Miniatures. Enthusiastic players will want to create their own Tyrannofex or Tervigon with the help of the descriptions and images from the bestiary. (The product brief advises that) these can be assembled from a combination of parts of the Carnifex, Trygon and Tyranid Monstrous Arms Bitz Pack."

"Tyranid Warriors - Can be converted to an Alpha Warrior, a Tyranid HQ, which is ideal to lead a growing army of Tyranids or support a Hive Tyrant in its task. (The product brief advises that) you can combine the Tyranid Warriors kit with the new plastic Raveners to represent an Alpha Warrior."

"Trygon - Many parts of this kit are compatible with the Carnifex, enabling customers to create their own Tyranid monstrosities. In addition to the entry in Codex: Tyranids, there is also the option for Trygon with Ravener Brood 'Tunnel Swarm' formation for Apocalypse."

"Mawloc - Special rule is called 'Terror from the Deep' and it can 'smash defenses'." (This may just be flowery descriptive text rather than necessarily in-game function)

"Pyrovore - Are melee monsters that devour their enemies, beaking down the biomass of their victims and then transforming it into a powerful acid attack (in the form of a flamer template)."

Agamemnon2 wrote:

winterman wrote:Except Ogryn aren't fearless, don't score, can't be made into complex units, don't have access to good cc upgrades, are 5+ save (IIRC, could be wrong) and their guns are limited to 12". Eternal Warrior may still show up in some form also (liek say catalyst psychic power). Other then that it's a good comparison

Still need to see points and synergy though before declaring meh or win.

Warriors as Troops at three wounds per head will be murder...

I'm curious to find out what exactly was made weaker in the new list. I mean, something must have, right? But the only units not quoted as getting improvements are genestealers (who get broodlords as unit champions instead of HQ choices), spore mines and biovores.

NAVARRO wrote:Tyrannofex or Tervigon I like the sound of that!
Thank you for keeping us updated reds8n.

aka_mythos wrote:On your second question, the carnifex is what will be weaker. It'll be in a squadron so all those fexes people already own won't go to waste, but at reduced strength their weapons will be less worthwhile. I also bet GW keeps the cost the same.

Aduro wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Tyrannofex or Tervigon I like the sound of that!
Thank you for keeping us updated reds8n.

Given you're supposed to use bitz from the larged `Nids, what are the odds these things were the source of the Heridule making it into the codex rumors?

Agamemnon2 wrote:I hope so. Because I'm totally going to charge said carnifex mobs with ogryns, as I expect to see a few super-expensive carnifex broods fielded before people manage to figure the cost-effectiveness ratios out. By the numbers, a five-ogryn squad can kill an 4E carnifex, unless said carnifex has bought S10. If GW has dropped the Strength by 1-2 points which has been rumored, even with additional attacks to balance it out, my money's still on the ogryns.

gorgon wrote:Rumor is that crushing claws will count as dreadnought CCWs. So S10 in that case.

Agamemnon2 wrote:I'm curious to find out what exactly was made weaker in the new list. I mean, something must have, right?

Agamemnon2 wrote:Tyrannofex? Tervigon?

Are they just throwing words together now?

FlammingGaunt wrote:All MC should have at least T6 W4 standard other wise "O I see you have a tank sized creature too bad my dreadnought can instant death it."

FlammingGaunt wrote:All MC should have at least T6 W4 standard other wise "O I see you have a tank sized creature too bad my dreadnought can instant death it."

chaos0xomega wrote:I was really hoping we would see a nerf to ranged weapons and a general increase to cc in the Tyranid army, guess it aint happening...

Fateweaver wrote:Odd how Ogryns are considered junk. In my group the 2 IG players that run 5+Lord Commisar always make their points back with the squad. They got a 15pt increase but are infinitely better than they were before IME (which varies).

Railguns wrote:If ranged anti-tank would be priced at a premium, we would need things like deepstrike-assaulting Trygons to fight armored companies and the like.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:Odd how Ogryns are considered junk. In my group the 2 IG players that run 5+Lord Commisar always make their points back with the squad. They got a 15pt increase but are infinitely better than they were before IME (which varies).

Mostly because that's a 290 point squad. You could have two artillery tanks for that price, and have points left over to buy a plasma gun. Equal points of most things will eat that squad alive.

The Shadow in the Warp is now 12" range on 3d6, Perils of the Warp on double 1 or 6. Free for Hive Tyrant, Tyranid Warriors and Trygon Alpha.

Hive Tyrant variant called the Swarmlord. Armed with 4 Boneswords (which are greatly improved now), and loaded up with special rules but costs more than a LR.

Zoanthrope variant whose S is equal to the number of Wounds it has... and it can have up to 10.

Pyrovore's template is S6 AP4 (not AP3). Also some talk of it getting to lay down a template every time it eats an enemy model... but I'm not sure if that was just a joke.

Now on to Deep Strike stuff... seems that the Trygon cannot in fact assault a unit he Deeps Strikes onto. Follows the same rules as Drop Pods apparently, i.e. stop within 1", however the same source hints that Mycetic Spore deployment is back, soooo...

And finally some totally alleged points cost and stats...

Trygon 200pts WS5, 6 Wounds, 6 Attacks* : Mawloc 160 pts
Carnifex 170pts WS3, 4 Wounds, 4 Attacks*
* Everybody comes with two pairs of scything talons as standard. There are also some biomorphs as standard but don't know what they are.

gorgon wrote:

Oh, and the Pyrovore still isn't making any sense to me.

The Shadow in the Warp - Perils is indeed all 3 dice. No discarding of the lowest.

Boneswords - disallow armour saves and if a wound is inflicted then a Ld test must be passed to avoid Instant Death. If a pair of Boneswords, Ld test is taken on 3d6.

Carnifexes - ...hold onto your butts... must be armed identically when in Broods.

Tervigon - is a HQ that spawns Termagants.

Axyl wrote:

gorgon wrote:

Oh, and the Pyrovore still isn't making any sense to me.

I get the feeling that the giant cannon on the back of the pyrovore is throwing everyone off. It looks like it should be an artillery creature, but all rumors seems to point towards a CC monster with a flamer attack.

Railguns wrote:Why would a monstrous creature, who already ignores armor saves, need a weapon that ignores armor saves?

Tervigon - is a HQ that spawns Termagants

Some of this has been posted before, I'll post it again, plus all I remember.


Generel rules:

Synapse Creatures

units within 12 inches are fearless. No eternal warrior.

Feral behaviour: each tyranid unit not in range of a Synapse creature has to pass a morale check or falls back to instinctive behaviour. Melee-creatures move as fast as possible to the next enemy, while shooting creatures go for the next cover and shoot at the nearest enemies. What they do is said in their entries.

Weapons: Weaponsymbionts are no longer modified by the creature they weald it. There are heavy variants of most of them for the bigger creatures.

Venom Cannon: uses 3" blast now. They suffer a additional -1 penalty against vehicles. So, a glancing hit is - 3, a penetration - 1. You can wrec vehicles with this weapon now =)

Heavy Venom Canon: S9, same as above.

Scything Talons: One pair of tham grants you rerolls on all 1's you roll to hit, two pairs allow you to reroll all of them. Bonesword causes instant death, as long as you do not pass a morale check after suffering a wound. If you bear two pairs, the morale check is made with 3 dice.

Tentacle whip: reduces the initiative of all models attacking the bearer to 1.

Crusher Claws grant d3 additional attacks.

Lots more similar changes.


Biomorphs:

They grant general special abilities now.

Examples: Toxic Glands grant you poisonod attacks (4+), adrenalin grants furious charge, etc. A injector grants Instant death on each to wound roll of 6. I don't remember them all, though.

Units:

HQ: Hive Tyrant, Alpha Warrior, Tervigon. Named ones: A special Hive Tyrant, already mentioned, and a parasite-spreading winged horror.

Hive Tyrant: Initiative 6, Weaponskill 8. Starts of with a pair of cything talons, a tentacle whip and a Bonesword. Might be given wings or heavy carapace (2+ armour save)

May chose from 4 different psychic powers:
Mental scream:
all enemy units within 18 " have to pass a morale check. if they fail it, they suffer the difference between the roll and their morale characteristic as casulties with no armour saves allowed.

Lifeleech: one unit within 12 " suffer D3 autohits S3 AP2. for each casulty they suffer, the Hive Tyrant is granted one life point, up to a maximum of 10.

One that forces a unit to do a morale check or to fall back.

One shooting attack.

He might be given tactical advances, as for example to grant one standard unit outflank and +1 to reserve rolls.

Has lots of wapons available.


The special Hive Tyrant has Weaponskill 9. Wardsaves passed against wounds from him have to be rerolled.

He may buff one unit within 18 inches with prefered enemy, furious charge or two other special abilities.


Alpha Warrior:

Weaponskill 6, which he passes to a unit of warriors he joins.

Tervigon: Creates 3d6 termagaunts with standard loadout each movement phase, even if he's in close combat.

If he dies, gaunts near him suffer heavy losses.

He has his own psychic powers, though i don't remember them.


The horror is a hit and run monster with wings. Each enemy unit outflanking may suffer casualties: your oponent names one model within the unit, it has to pass a toughness test. if it fails it is killed and the tyranidplayer gets D6 Ripperswarms. He may do thesame to victims he kills in close combat.

Each Hive Tyrant may be given a Tyrant guard.

Elite

Hive Guard: up to 3 per unit, Ballistic skill of 4.

their weapons are 24 inches, S8, AP4 and assault 2.


Lictors: 1 - 3 per slot, they act together as one unit. Deployed like marbo.
still grant +1 to reserve rolls. Deep striking units do not scatter if deployed within 6 inces of a lictor, as long as he was on the table for at least one turn.

Ymgarls Genestealers:

They are NOT a named unit. basically, they are Genestealers, which can morph: they may increase their Attacks, Toughness or strength characteristic at the beginning of each close combat phase.

they have the rule "hibernation": note one piece of terrain. whey the genestealers become available, they are placed in this piece of terrain. they may move, shoot and charge.

Unit size 5 - 10, no broodlord for them.

Zoanthropes:
Warp field grants 3+ ward save.
have to psycic powers: warp lightning and warp lance. warp lightning is S6 AP3 3 blaste, while the warp lance is S10 DS 2 Assault 1, lance at 18 inches.

squads of 3.

There is a named Zoanthrope which is a real pain in the ass for everyone, leachinglots of lifepoints with a strong 5 " template shooting attack.

The death leaper is his own elite choice, named. WS9, Initiative 7. Me is deployed like a lictor, but may retreat and be replaced text turn.



Core

Hormagaunts:
Weapon skill 3, S3, Initiative 5, 2 attacks.

Infantery.

May be given poison glands and adrenalin. Unit size 10 - 30

Gaunts:
come with.... no idea what the weapon is named in english, but it's S4 AP 5 assault 1.
For each 10 gaunts, one may be upgraded with a S2 flamethrower that wounds against the strength characteristig.

Warriors: Weapon skill 5, lots of options. 4+ Armour save.
If led by a Alpha warrior they take up his Weaponskill.

Genestealers: Mostly the same as before, less options. Point cost lower than Grey hunters, though. No way to boost their armour save.

Have infiltrators and fleet.

Broodlord comes with his old profile, at a point cost of a longang with a heavy boltgun.
May have two psycic powers: Confusion, which makes both player roll a D6 and add the morale characteristics of a model chosen by the tyranid player. If the result of the tyranid player is the same or higher, the chosen miniature may not attack in this close combat phase.
The other ability reduces the morale characteristic of surrounding enemies by 1.

Assault:
Winged warriors are assault.

Gargoyles: we knewe about them.

Harpies:
The Harpie is a flying, Trygon-sized creature that acts as a bomber. It may deploy Spore mines at a unit it flies over. Is a monstrous creature.

Raveners: come with two pairs of scything talons. May have a thorax swarm: thorax swarms are a special weapon, the ammunition is chosen at the beginnig of the game. 3 different flamer variants.

Heavy Support:
Carnifexes: In squads of three. Have to carry the same loadout.

You cannot boost their initiative, and I am almost sure that you cannor surpass 3+ Armour save.
when charging, carnifexes increase their initiative by t. If you buy them adrenaline ,that grants you Initiative 4 and strength 10. They still have 9 in the profile.
Carnifexes start with two pairs of scything talons and 4 attacks.

Trygon: WS6, S6, 6 Lifepoints and 6 attacks.

Has a shooting attack, S6, ap5, assault 6, 12 " range.

If upgraded to a Alpha Trygon, he has 18 " and assault 12.

Tyrannofex: My favorite. a walking weapon battery.

Weapons are: Fleshborer swarm, S4 ap 5 assault 20

pyroacid spray: S6 ap 4 flamer templated, used exactly like the hellhound.

Capsule cannon: S10, AP4, assault 2, 48 " range.

unneccesary to mention that he's a monstrous creature with high toughness.

gorgon wrote:

Gaunts:
come with.... no idea what the weapon is named in english, but it's S4 AP 5 assault 1.
For each 10 gaunts, one may be upgraded with a S2 flamethrower that wounds against the strength characteristig.

JD21290 wrote:Platuan, was just about to post about the web
I may have to make a few (used to use barbed's hacked up)

May give a shooty nid army a go, rather than mash the trygon spam.

gorgon wrote:I think maybe it was reds8n that said this book was going to be "complex". That seems to have hit the nail on the head.

I have a large Tyranid army, and I'm really going to have to rethink some things. Which is good. Tyranids needed a shakeup.

Sneezypanda wrote:well, it seems with every new codex we get a bunch of awesome rumors that sound like they are completely broken, but end up being ok because they cost a whole lot of points, or have some weird limitation that no one mentioned.

does anyone know what life points are? are they supposed to be wounds? or something new to the tyranids?

walker90234 wrote:the only thing i find annoying about the new codex is that apparently, now, the hive tyrant is the only HQ choice! thats crap! i can't use my broodlord as HQ anymore? WTF?

walker90234 wrote:the only thing i find annoying about the new codex is that apparently, now, the hive tyrant is the only HQ choice! thats crap! i can't use my broodlord as HQ anymore? WTF?

walker90234 wrote:the only thing i find annoying about the new codex is that apparently, now, the hive tyrant is the only HQ choice! thats crap! i can't use my broodlord as HQ anymore? WTF?

Slave wrote:well, no matter what they do with some of these rumors, if eternal warrior is gone, then they may as well as kept the codex, as with out it, all the medium creatures with a toughness less than 5 won't be used.

Warriors and raveners are too expensive to be insta killed in mass.

UltraPrime wrote:I've only got about 1,000pts of 'nids at the moment. Hope I can still use them.

CaptKaruthors wrote:Warriors look like they got a price drop so who cares about Eternal Warrior when you can have more of them anyways? They also gain an additional wound which means they can absorb more small arms fire as well. All in all, this book looks interesting.

lordbug wrote:Now some of you gys said you have seen these minis in your local game store...can you buy them or do they only have a few and have to wait to release them im so confused and dont want to drive there for nothing to far.

We got a pretty good look at hormagaunts there. I'm going to collate a couple of rumors about them and look at them as a profile...

That brood could be fearless, and when it isn't fearless is doesn't run away, it runs towards enemy models?

No 12" charge... discuss.

Dedicated Transports

Spore Capsule

You may buy a Spore Capsule for lots of units: it may transport 1 Monstrous Creature or up to 20 Infantry.

The Spore Capsule is Deep Striking, and the unit within disembarks. It may neither move nor attack. It may still shoot.

The Capsule has WS and BS 2. It has Toughness 5 or 6 and 3 Lifepoints. It has, if i remember correctly, 3 attacks S 6.

It has a Assault 6 Strength 6 shooting attack with a range of 6 inches.

gorgon wrote:
That has a lot of implications, IMO.

Neith wrote:Lictors deploying like Marbo?

Well, it's a start- shame they wouldn't be able to assault though. I'm also surprised that Trygon may be S6, I sort of expected a little higher.

Some of the other things listed are just insane, if this is true then 'Nids are getting one hell of a shakeup.

Wonder if I can get Raveners to count as Troops anyway- I'd love a Ravener-centric army

H.B.M.C. wrote:So Mycetic Spores are in, and they're actual units? Guess we'll never see models for them either.

H.B.M.C. wrote: [...] and later brought into 40K 3rd Ed via the Mycetic Spore sub-list.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's odd because 9 BS3 Heavy Bolter shots will kill a W3 Tyranid Warrior. And 9 BS3 Heavy Bolter shots will kill a Marine.

The Marine is 16. The Warrior is 30.

Not a fair trade. They need T5 or T4(5).

Schepp himself wrote:
@Neith: They have 4+ As base, so they have extended carapace. All the armor is called differently. Basic armor (6+) is "Chitin" and a 4+ AS for example is called "verstärkter Carapax" or something like that.

CaptKaruthors wrote:Is this factoring cover or non-cover?

CaptKaruthors wrote:Assuming that they still cap out at 6 for a full unit, that's 18 wounds for 180pts. That's 10pts per wound. Not bad actually since marines are 16pts and to get an equivalent in wounds would be 288pts.

H.B.M.C. wrote:GW once again overcosts a model with multiple wounds taking no account of their Toughness and Armour Save (unless they are T4(5) or T5, in which case it is quite different).

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's odd because 9 BS3 Heavy Bolter shots will kill a W3 Tyranid Warrior. And 9 BS3 Heavy Bolter shots will kill a Marine.

The Marine is 16. The Warrior is 30.

Not a fair trade. They need T5 or T4(5).

Mahu wrote:A few questions:

1) Is the Lash wipe remove one attack, or reduce attacks to one?

Mahu wrote:
2) What is the Str. and Number of Shots of the Tyrant's Venom Cannon?

3) What are the stats of the Devourer?

4) What happens to the Barbed Strangler? Especially on the Carnifex.

Mahu wrote:
5) What is the Carnifexes Instictive Behavior?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Bringing cover into it changes things. But I was talking out of cover. They're not worth the cost. "Just stick it in cover" should never be a measure of how durable a unit is, especially one that should be moving forward and trying to get into HTH.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
GW once again overcosts a model with multiple wounds taking no account of their Toughness and Armour Save (unless they are T4(5) or T5, in which case it is quite different).

Agamemnon2 wrote:Well, isn't this yet another joyous codex from Robbie Cruddace? You know, filled with units whipped out from nowhere, 20-shot weapons, poor understanding of pricing and a general attitude of "who cares, this is awesome!"

gorgon wrote:
Regarding credibility, etc., this stuff is likely 99% accurate.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It's odd because 9 BS3 Heavy Bolter shots will kill a W3 Tyranid Warrior. And 9 BS3 Heavy Bolter shots will kill a Marine.

The Marine is 16. The Warrior is 30.

Not a fair trade. They need T5 or T4(5).

warboss wrote: it was crap that somehow they spammed eternal warrior because they had a special link to the hive mind (i ate that lascannon with only a bit of indigestion because i have the hive mind on psychic speed dial??).

wyomingfox wrote:

gorgon wrote:
Regarding credibility, etc., this stuff is likely 99% accurate.

Like the SW Rumors were 99% accurate

10 Wound Zoes...

Come On

Come on

Hey guys. So I got to do a little light bug related Codex reading today ^.^ I know you have all kinds of rumors collected allready but I'm gonna write it

all anyway. This is what i remembre from the Codex. As allways if you don't belive me your own fault.
ANd I am doing this after maybe hour of reading. So don't stone me if I get some WS wrong or smth

Tyranid army rules:
- Synapse creature is pretty much the same except, and I cannot stretch that enough, NO more eternal warriorand before you ask: no nowhere, not on

genestealers, not on hive tyrantsnot on Trigons NOWHERE
- Instinctive behavior is split into 2 classes of Tyranids:
Lurkers: instantly take cover and shoot at the next target when they fail their check
Hunters: get the "bloodlust" rule from te rulebook (allways move and assault next enemy)
- Tyranids don't suffer normal warp attacks when rolling 11 or 66 on Psychic powers
- Tyranids never have additional close combat weapons, their profile is all they get

I'll get all the weapons and morphs out of the way first and ten just list the name in the entries.

Weapons:
(all weapons are assault so I'm not gonna mention that every time), I may have missed one or two simply because there are to many ^^

Biozid Cannon:
R 36 S 6 AP 4 Explosive 1

Heavy Biozid Cannon:
R 48 S 9 AP 4 Explosive 1

Stingstrangler:
R 24 S 4 AP 6 Big Explosion 1

Thornstrangler:
R 36 S 6 AP 4 Big Explosion 1


Bug throwers:
R 18 S 4 AP 5 Assault 1

Stingfists:
R 18 S 4 AP 5 Assault X (X= Number of Attacks), allways twinlinked

Sting blaster:
R 12 S 5 AP - Assault 1

Spike blaster
R 18 S5 AP 5 Assaukt 4

Someother weirs sounding weapon:
R 18 S 3 AP 6 Assault 2

Texorin Bugs:
3 fire modes, may be fired additionally to all oter weapons
R Flaming S * AP - Assault 1, allways wounds on 2+ against non Tanks
R Flaming S 5 AP 5 Assault 1
R Flaming S 3 AP 6 Assault 1, armor piercing

Biomorphs:

Toxin Chambers:
ALL units may buy these, the squad gains poison attacks (4+)

Adrinalin Injectors:
ALL units may buy these, the squad gains Furious assault

Catchers claws:
Weapon R 12 S 5 AP - Assault 2

All kinds of Chitin stuff:
Ranging from 6+ Armor save to 2+

Toxic blood:
When this model loses a wound in melee the model that caused the wound must stand an I check or lose a wound with no AS allowed, tanks arehit on 4+

(Eldar scream huray)

Toxic miasma:
All enemy units in CC range with this model must take a T check or lose one wound withnormal AS (Eldar don't scream huray any more )

Tentacle whips:
All units in CC wit this model have I 1

Horn swords:
A model losing a wound by a horn sword must pass an LD test or is killed outright. If the wound was caused by a pair of horn sowrds he must use 3D6 for

the check

Scyting claws:
Models with scytng claws may reroll 1s to hit, models wit a pair may reroll all to hit rolls

wrenching claws:
give AP rule in CC

Scissor Claws:
Give +D3 attacks and lower own I to 1

Regeneration:
At the start of each turn the model recovers a wound on a 6

Wings:
Model flyes

HQ:

Hive Tyrant:
- Old profiles
- No ward save as far as I recall
- Shadows of warp: ALl psychers using their powers within 12 must roll 3D6, double 6 or 1 still result in an attack from the warp
- comes with scyting claws and can equip about any weapon and morph in the book
- may have two of the following psychic powers for free:
The Horror: One enemyunit within 18 must take a panic test
Life leech: R 18 unit recives D3 S 3 hits no AS, hive regains one wound for every lost wound caused this way
warp scream: R 12 enemy units WS and BS is reduced to 1 for 1 round
Dominate: Hive tyrants synapse range is 18 inchesfor one round
- May buy any number of these abilities for somepoints:
Unspeakable Horror: Units wishing to charge or shoot at the hive must pass an LD check or........ well Not shoot/attack
Vicious mind: A core unit may flank and you get +1 to all reserve rolls
Ancient enemy: All Tyrinid units within 6 have arch enemy rule
- May still buy a set of guards who stayed pretty much the same except teir stuff does different things now (see biomorphs) and they have 3 wounds

Tervigon:
WS 3 BS 3 S 6 T 6 W 4 I 1 A3 LD 10 AS 2+

- may spawn 3D6 termagants per movement phase which may be activated as normal, but on a doublenumber he canno longer spawn anything fromnow on
- has spike blasters, is monstrous
- termagants within 6 may use his LD
- Has dominate psi power and may exchange it for:
The catalist: a unt within 12 gains feel no pain
The force: unit within 12 may run/sprint AND shoot

Alpha Tyranid Warrior:
WS 6 BS 5 S 5 T 5 W 4 I 5 A 4 LD 10 AS 4+

- synapse creature, shadow of warp
- may buy allmost everyting except the REALY heavy stuff
- tyranid warriors within 12 may use his WS and I


Elite:

Tyrant Guards:
- very similar to the guys that watch the hive tyrant (same profiles)
- may buy some biomorpgs like wrenching claws and stuff
- may carry all weapons except the REALY havy stuff

Liktors:
- have 3 wounds now
- use cover, move through cover bla bla
- gives +1 to reserve rolls and acts as an teleprt homer within 6
- apears anywhere on te tablewhen available but may not move or shoot that turn
- has catchers claws and AP and scyting claws

Zorantrophs:
- have only 5+ armor but 3+ ward save
- same profiles only 3 wounds
- have two psychic powers
warpl ightning: R 24 S 5 AP 3 Explosive 1
Warp Lance: R 18 S 10 AP 1 Assault 1, Lance

Toxontroph:
- Zorantroph profiles (3 wounds) only with 2 attacks
- has tentacle whips and toxic Miasma
- has poison attacks 2+
- all tyranid units within 6 gain a 5+ cover save, defesive granades and every enemy that charges them must test for dangerous terrain

Pyrovore:
- Biovore profile only 3 wounds
- as a heavy flamer
- when killed outright explodes in flaming acid and damages everyone around

core:

Tyranid Warriors:
- 3 wounds now
- scyting claws as a basic
- may get all weapons except for the REALY havy ones
- may have 2 melee biomorphes (check all the clwas in the list) even horn swords or pairs of horn swords
- synapse creatures ofc

Hormagants:
- NO longer may charge 12
- very cheap
- 2A profile

Hormagants:
- even cheaper
- have two individual weapons
Toxic stinger: R 18 S 3 AP 6 Assault 1
Grapling choker: R Flaming S 2 AP - Assault 1, wounds against S not T
- every unit allows one Tervigon to be played as core

Genestealers:
- same profile
- not subjected to instinctive behavior
- may buy a symbiarch for allmost 50 points who has more W, S, T, A, LD, WS....everything ^^
may have one of two psychic powers: one that amkes genestealers count as having frag granades and one that may hypnotise one model in CC which,

if it doesn't pass an LD check, may not attack
may buy some biomorphs like toxic blood

Absorber swarms:
- may deep strike
- when they fail instinctive behavior they eat each other (one wound per point failed)
- not very expensive

Storm:

Winged Tyranid Warriors:
- only 5 points more expensive than normal ones
- fly obv ^^
- no options to medium heavy weapons

Gargoyles:
- SO cheap they make stormboyz seem like grey knights against them
- have FANTASY poison attacks in melee
- Termagant profiles
- have bug throwers
- fly ofc

Harpy:
WS 3 BS 4 S 6 T 5 W 4 I 5 A 3 LD 7 AS 4+
- monstrous creature, flyes, has a twinlinked thornstrangler
- every inut he charges gains -1 I
- may shoot 3 spore mine on a unit he flyes over (like screamers) which causes a great blast S4 or 5 (don't remember) or three spore mines if he misses

Winged absorber swarms:
- well they are absorber sworms with wings, what else is there to say? ^^

Bulk of spore mines:
- 3-6
- deep strike and... well what do spore mines do? land somewhere and explode near smth
- explode in large blast S 4 AP 4 per guy

Venators:
- still beasts
- 3 wounds WS 5 and 4 A profile
- scyting claws and wrenching claws as a given with a few options for exchange


Heavy support:

Carnifex:
WS 3 BS 3 S 6 T 6 W 4 I 1 A 4 LD 6 AS 3+
- may be taken in squads of 1-3
- pretty expensive
- need I to mention that tey may buy freaking EVERYTING?
- no more profile upgrades

Trigon:
WS 4 BS 4 S 6 T 6 W 6 I 4 A 6 LD 8 AS 3+
- may sprint
- may deep strike and leaves behind a tunnel through which other units may deep strike in subsequent turns
- may NOT charge the turn he deep strikes
- bio electric field has R 12 S 6 AP - Assault 6
- may be upgraded to alpha in which case he is a synapse creature, has LD 10, has shadow of warp, and is bio electric field has Assault 12
- slightly more expensive than a carnifex

Mawloc:
WS 4 BS 0 S 6 T 6 W 6 I 4 A 3 LD 9 AS 3+
- may deep strike, if he apears under a unit he places a large template there which has S 6 AP 3 ten moves all remaining models aside and is placed there (not in CC)
- has fall back and sprint rule
- may dig himself in again if he is not in CC in your movement to automaticly reapear in your next movement phase

Biovores:
- pretty cheap
- may shott one spore mine each that explode like descrbed above

Tyrofex:
WS 3 BS 3 S 6 T 6 W 4 I 1 A3 LD 10 AS 2+
- monstrous
- has Texorin Bugs and the 3 following weapons (of wich he can fire two):
R 48 S 10 AP 4 Assault 2
R 36 S 4 AP 5 Assault 20
R Flaming S 5 AP 4 Assault 1, is shot like the inferno cannon of the emperial hellhound

Stuff I missed so far:

Giant drop spore:
WS 2 BS 2 S 6 T 6 W 3 I 1 A2 LD 4 AS 5+
- deep strikes
- may be bought as an transport option for most units (not trigon, Mawloc, Venators, everything with wings)
- may carry 20 infantery guys or one monstrous creature
- may shoot: R 6 S 6 AP - Assault 3
- may not move
- has tentacle whips

gameandwatch wrote:I miss my T8 fexes :(

H.B.M.C. wrote:Bringing cover into it changes things. But I was talking out of cover. They're not worth the cost. "Just stick it in cover" should never be a measure of how durable a unit is, especially one that should be moving forward and trying to get into HTH.

Scottywan82 wrote:Wow, sounds awesome, but needs some hardcore translation.

Hormagants:
- even cheaper
- have two individual weapons
Toxic stinger: R 18 S 3 AP 6 Assault 1
Grapling choker: R Flaming S 2 AP - Assault 1, wounds against S not T
- every unit allows one Tervigon to be played as core

kirsanth wrote:

warboss wrote: it was crap that somehow they spammed eternal warrior because they had a special link to the hive mind (i ate that lascannon with only a bit of indigestion because i have the hive mind on psychic speed dial??).

How does this apply to the copious amount of marines (and others!) that can do the same thing? Those at least have vehicles to mitigate the directed high strength shots, and yet still manage to eat lascannons with nothing other than being old (?!) to explain why they can do so.

warboss wrote:either you're being sarcastic or are really bad at math because using "copius" when it means 2 in a standard force org

TragicNut wrote:Sure they're only S6 and wound Wraithlords on a 6+...

Shep wrote:

TragicNut wrote:Sure they're only S6 and wound Wraithlords on a 6+...

Carnifex was confirmed as strength 9 in january white dwarf. Looks like we've got some conflicting info.

If the fex really does have strength 9 base, and access to furious charge, then I could see where it could fill a role that the 'gon's can't.

Hollismason wrote:It's pretty cool how they added in "special characters" especially those genestealers holy crap is that a awesome unit.


Also, WTF is up with the Space Wolf codex having what seems to be all countermeasures to tyranids that doesnt seem really cool.

Hollismason wrote:It's pretty cool how they added in "special characters" especially those genestealers holy crap is that a awesome unit.


Also, WTF is up with the Space Wolf codex having what seems to be all countermeasures to tyranids that doesnt seem really cool.

Slackermagee wrote:No eternal warrior in the synapse rules? More expensive warriors, lictors, raveners, zoeys, etc (all at toughness 4?)... it's like Crubbance has written Codex: Ogryns.

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:@ Agunemnon2 So, Ogryns are better you say?

Anpu42 wrote:So the S-9 Fex that could kill a Marine on a 2+
Now needs a ...2+