there is also a wip papercraft tank around here that looks terrific... with a wide cathedral with an enormous balkony and such things...cant quite remember anymore where i saw that...

found it^^




threads name is one papercraft motor pool or sumethin`^^

Thanks Vik, and yeah, I think that was supposed to have been a Leviathan class command HQ you are thinking of.

Mad4: I have several cans of beans and such, dried beans and rice even, no real weapons as yet, but then again, as I may not be happy with such sad events unfolding, they are all a part of the "birthing process" that our species is going through, so fear is one thing I have learned is not necessary.
Each will have their own internal struggle, it will be very personal. As for the mass hysteria that will come, therein lay the issue most have, but that is a discussion for a totally different thread.

Meanwhile, here is a Crack Suicide Squad Tank!

even that pic is political...as it bears the red star of the commie russians^^

Just the flavor of the era the tank comes from Vik. T-34/85 it is.

was just foolin`around^^

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Mad4: I have several cans of beans and such, dried beans and rice even, no real weapons as yet, but then again, as I may not be happy with such sad events unfolding, they are all a part of the "birthing process" that our species is going through, so fear is one thing I have learned is not necessary.
Each will have their own internal struggle, it will be very personal. As for the mass hysteria that will come, therein lay the issue most have, but that is a discussion for a totally different thread.

No fear about it, simple preparation. Im an avid shooter, so keeping ammo around is just a common thing. Food, water, med supplies...also a good idea, as I live in a hurricane prone area. What Katrina did to New Orleans is a good example of what can happen. Id rather be prepared than be one of those scrambling about after the fact trying to figure out what to do and how they are gonna survive.

Vik: LOL!

Mad4: But there will be those who will let their fear overtake them. These are the ones you will likely meet, but hunting will also be needed if that collapse happens. It is good to have some food supplies ready just in case.


Megatrontank!

nice treads...is threre a bigger pic around?

Loving the tanks!

Still looking for bigger shots, the treads look like true rock grinders!
This tank, it floats and I keep thinking "Exterminaaaaaate!" when I see it.


Bigger megatron tank pics
http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/MegatronTankReplica6.jpg

http://www.ridelust.com/megatron-tank-replica-guarantees-an-a-in-shop/megatrontankreplica5/

lol... someone is deliberatly trying to avoid showing better pics from the megatrontank^^

that floating...er...skyscraper is supposed to be a tank???well that is streching the term so much as making a loop^^

but since we are in the middle of oddball tans discusion again i think we left out the very beginning of the tank discussion...

i say only one name:

leonardo da vinci:






well this is a true beauty, isn´t it?

LOL! I kept getting the broken pic icon after using the usual pattern to leave it.

Ah, the original 'turtle" a tank that was manpowered for it's mobility as well as it;s firepower.


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More of it!

holy gak... a freaking chainsaw tank...what IS that??? is it really from the transformers movie?

That is what Megatron was supposed to look like in public

*gulp*

Yeah, that would have torn up pavement, and any person or cars it rolled over!~

cool tank , looks scary! and nice da vinci tank Vik

to be honest i have somehow played around in my head with a design to honor da vinci´s work for my army... any thoughts? would that work for my steamy soldiers as some kind of chimera stand in?

Well, this is as appropriate a beast as I could find, and the largest pic I could find Vik.



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WWI APC to carry the troops to the trenches and avoid MG fire!

looks like a mark V to me?

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Still seems to "fit" your army quite well.

So, a Russ?

what i still don´t comprehend there are doors in the treadssection...how does this work... i mean all 40k tanks does have that too... do the wheels of the tanks be very small? or how does that work?

They didn't have very good (Or any, really) shock absorbers. No springs. So as long as one of the wheels is a sprocket drive wheel, the treads just roll along the outside. And yes, tiny wheels.

The old MK series tanks had even smaller wheels than those!
Small heavy wheels spaced apart every six or so inches, small but heavy wheels, like many shot-puts. The upper sections could be just slide/glide rails. But the Big wheels would be the drive/sprockets, the small wheels merely to help with the movement.

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Okay, went to the local game store and did more work on the low slung tank. Included the interior and crew!
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More control panels
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Crew in urban camo, and the treads smeared with liquid mud residue, (watery Graveyard Earth)
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Nice work!

Thanks! More pics to follow.

holy gak... literally as the tank seems covered in this substance in quite a good watered down amount!

interior looks full of details you did very well on...lots of diameters and stuff...am i right and the steering guy is wielding a powerfist when on seeringduty?...whoa that would lead to some heavy turns i guess^^...

looking forward to more of this inspiring work of yours...

vik

Looking at pics of tanks that have "forded" rivers and mud pits, I figured to make it look just as "dirty" as possible.

Lot's of dials and buttons and switches and screens.

Gotta load the pics to add here.

^yup you do that... the audience is in place^^

please do!

Here, the tanks on it's right flank, the lighting allows the texture of the camo net to really stick out more, and I metalled up the bolt pistol and comms aerials.
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His visor is painted, camo on the uniform as well as chest medals and eagle. Muddy look to the treads and lower front of the tank.
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Muddy bottom and brighter reds and yellows added tot he tail lights.
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W/o flash, the yellow still stands out somewhat.
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this is a very fine example of a really nice tank...such a shame to see it wasted in the future due to the heavy enemies the IoM does make all day long^^

It is indeed a lovely tank...

Thanks guys! I have a few more of it here. I added a new decal to it.
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Added more mud to it after that.
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Nice decal!

with the mud afterwards the decal begins to work... i think you would have been better with just a red star than a red star over that white square...

And the muddying continues!
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Looking for some targets
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Silly GW for putting a star on a field!

Methinks the line between mud and paint is too clear...try stippling the edges, much like my shadowsword:
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well probably a anti commie campaingn right there... bright comiestars on tanks gets them shot faster...nasty of GW to show their politics that way^^

Ah, I was basing my patterning off the tanks that had "bathed" and there was little stipling pattern due to it all being watered mud;
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that first pic is the best so far ...very scenic pic... love the angle... and when devlan mud is dried this will be awsome! all over^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:that first pic is the best so far ...very scenic pic... love the angle... and when devlan mud is dried this will be awsome! all over^^

Yeah, not a clean surface anywhere on that tank!

Here we have a different country angle!
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Close up and you can see the 'Ard Boyz Poster too!^^
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Ooh! spooky!
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Different angle
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flash would not shut of for a more "day" type photo. Slight change in the angle.
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the spooky pic has a twighlight light athosphere to it...thats a good one!

Thanks, sometimes that flash comes in handy!

Caught from a different angle, and the gun is turned away.
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Day-light
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Canon is turning!
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Night hunting
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Still hunting
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just saw that the hatch needs a bit of a lick of paint....

Ah, I did give it more of that appley green color.

oh, good. So is there anything yet to be done?

Some more pics to upload and then get ready for my Old Crow Tanks to arrive this coming week I hope, Jez said it is all in 2 boxes.

In this pic, it almost looks like the "purple Avenger!"
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lol... it is really confusing sometimes how different light can fool you... try getting a new pair of jeans for a start and look at bright sunshine who awsome foolish one can become^^

and the dread hulk painted up , looks great . really like your decals and its low profile. you have nearly as many threads as Vik if you two teamed up it would a mega thread like never before seen

i am only into gigantism when it comes to airships^^

teaser..

More back shots!
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Hunting for something to shoot!
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Looking good. I kinda like the purple effect of the one pic.


I got my Sabre over the weekend. All I can say is wow, some of the best resin work Ive seen. Cant wait to get started on it.

Mad4minis: Thanks. Yeah, that purple almost made me wonder if my model had joined Cobra or something!

Cool, glad you got your sabre. My first box has yet to arrive, I wonder if the shipment is one of each of the four I ordered, or whatever he could finish and box?

I am waiting on Sabre x 2, Lancer x 2, Claymore x 2, and Dragoon x 2.

shasolenzabi wrote:Mad4minis: Thanks. Yeah, that purple almost made me wonder if my model had joined Cobra or something!

Cool, glad you got your sabre. My first box has yet to arrive, I wonder if the shipment is one of each of the four I ordered, or whatever he could finish and box?

I am waiting on Sabre x 2, Lancer x 2, Claymore x 2, and Dragoon x 2.

I was very impressed by the finish on the model. Everything had been block sanded level. All the parts fit snug but not too tight. Detail lines that cross between parts match up flawlessly.

I cant wait to build it. Its sitting on a towel drying as I type this. Hopefully get it assembled later today.

sounds mightyly like the ideal of a model kit...

have fun building it...

Mad4Minis wrote:

I was very impressed by the finish on the model. Everything had been block sanded level. All the parts fit snug but not too tight. Detail lines that cross between parts match up flawlessly.

I cant wait to build it. Its sitting on a towel drying as I type this. Hopefully get it assembled later today.

Sounds like it is worth the long wait.

so are there any pics stuck in the warp that want/need to come out yet?

*shameless unimaginative bump right there^^*

Will be adding a couple of more sabres to my collection in a month or two. His resin pieces are top notch. The surfaces take paint readily, and the lack of ANY excess resin crap on them also says a lot about his pride in his work.

In the meantime, I've received a Gladius, Glaive, Halberd and Outrider (all with grav hulls) from a fellow on WAU - I was going to order them from Jez, but with the delays and all, it was just as easy to get them this way - easier, actually.

Ah, still waiting for those tanks to arrive, but I am basically in need of 'ardcoating the one tank and it is all done.

shasolenzabi wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:

I was very impressed by the finish on the model. Everything had been block sanded level. All the parts fit snug but not too tight. Detail lines that cross between parts match up flawlessly.

I cant wait to build it. Its sitting on a towel drying as I type this. Hopefully get it assembled later today.

Sounds like it is worth the long wait.

Very much so. It went together very easy. Took maybe 20 minutes after it was washed and dried. The only trimming needed was one very small bit of resin in a corner. Parts fit well and take glue very well. I used Gorilla Super Glue.

It comes with some optional parts...large caliber cannon or twin laser looking things for the main gun(s), choice of 2 missile launchers or single ML with sensor pod for turret sides, and crew or closed hatch. I went with the big gun, ML & sensor combo, and closed hatch.

It was primed after assembly, now just need the actual paint job. Im thinking a desert sand/light tan-ish color. Ive got a sheet of Tau decals I think will look excellent on it. Will seal the deal on the futuristic/non Earth look. Ill post pics when its done.

Love to see them when done.

shasolenzabi wrote:Love to see them when done.

^ what he said.

Soon, the Old Crow models will start to arrive, and then,,,MORE pictures!

I am thinking I can make something like this with plasticard, tracks will be tedious though

i´d do the tracks with regular cardboard...need a template? got one that needs but putting to right size... it´s now too small for 28mm

I have enough plastic to make the tracks as well.^^

probably yes, but when you do them in cardboard it doesn´t get too messy with all the cutwork...just makes it a bit simpler...but well if you invest in more time it will probably look way better all done in plastic...

I hope so. Meanwhile my first box from Old Crow is still apparently sifting through customs.

well all good things comes to he who waits...^^ small comfort...i know^^

by the way do you need patterns for scratchbuildinng a mark V? i have some...

Those would be cool to have for helping make the tank from scratch Vik, if you could send me a copy-scan? Pwease!?

The Old Crow is here! Just came sneaking in on a saturday afternoon! The 1st wave:
Claymore, I simply let the top sit on the lower half
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Placed behind it, you can see how long it really is!
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The Lancer heavy APC
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Next to the Leman
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The Dragoons are a bit bigger than I first thought so Salamander like beasts they shall be!
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do you got a link of old crowto see some colored and fully assembled pics? i am a bit puzzled as to what they should look like when done...only thing i do know is that they will be awsome and look like they are very clean fitting...seems a good deal!

enjoy!

Sure, I got them from http://www.oldcrowmodels.co.uk/ None are painted as yet that I have seen.

Lancer when done
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They have a lot of other models, and they have other mobility options, I chose tracked, they also have grav hover, and wheeled variants.,

now i remeber... sweet models...and the tracked ones do seem to look way better than hoovering...dont think that would suit your armystyle...my favorite is still the go for chimera looking halftrcked dragoon...this is so sweet looking.... how is the scale of the shiped minis to the gw ones? are they usable?

Viktor von Domm wrote:now i remeber... sweet models...and the tracked ones do seem to look way better than hoovering...dont think that would suit your armystyle...my favorite is still the go for chimera looking halftrcked dragoon...this is so sweet looking.... how is the scale of the shiped minis to the gw ones? are they usable?

look at the pics i posted next to the Leman Russ, and I think that you will have your answer my friend!


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It's Making me Orks's jellus!

well if orks get all jelly on the ùmies then they stomp onna waaaaghh and loot like hell..^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:well if orks get all jelly on the ùmies then they stomp onna waaaaghh and loot like hell..^^

I would have to really "ramshackle the hell out of those beauties to make them "Orkified"

ouch me bleeding heart... stop that torment at once^^

I have to take pics of the Ork Trukk I made from scrap bits and sprues.

yes please^^

Hmm... I just picked up a Claymore... If I had seen your pics before I might have gone for the Lancer instead... Oh well.. I can always get one of them later

Vik, I have to dig it out.

Flinty, That was why I got both, they are interesting to say the least. The Lancer I have found needs a plastic sheet to be added as a belly plate as the kit has the lower front and rear armored slopes.. Never. Makes it lighter, and I do not mind the work as it will be a flat plate with a smaller plate to be the "escape hatch"


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Da Uvah side
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Da Enjun
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Da Bakk, wit plenny of armah plates to hold da ladz up!
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Orky Teknulogy at it's finest!

duh^^

looks cool, but needs a new paintjob^^ compared to your tanks it looks a bit like an unloved fosterchild^^
the construction looks very nice and i like how you made tanktreadwheels for the front^^ that is a nice idea and blends in well with the halftrack from behind.
just realized that you have flamnerparts inside your engine^^ nice touch gives the model an air of A-Team feel^^ i just can imagin BA welding that beast together^^

LOL Vik! Of course it would look that way, Orks IMHO do not make neat paint jobs, and would simply slap on a lick of red to make it go faster! all my trucks are like this. I will have to one day make a thread devoted to the WAAAGH! Magnotz and his ladz!

The front tires are actually two 25mm bases glude together, add the Marine Rhino hatches, and then the spare treads and I got armored wheels! The trukk is mostly scrap parts, sheet plastic and sprues given a new life! I had chopped up Tau Ion cannons to make a longer mega Ion cannon for Apocalypose use 96" reach! and used the spare bits for the engine.

Yeah, BA was an Ork Mekboy at heart!

lol BA Mekboy^^
just realized that too that you used the hatches for the wheels^^ nice idea to use bases too... and i can only encourage you to make a new thread about orkses^^ but better stay on top of your recent threads^^ i know where to many threads to work with may lead to^^

loving it

Viktor von Domm wrote:lol BA Mekboy^^
just realized that too that you used the hatches for the wheels^^ nice idea to use bases too... and i can only encourage you to make a new thread about orkses^^ but better stay on top of your recent threads^^ i know where to many threads to work with may lead to^^

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necrondude89: Glad to hear it. There will be more now that the Old Crow kits are in!

well this is a good moment to say godd n8 to you matey as i am now feeling me eyes start to shut on their own accord^^

see you tomorrow^^


and good luck in gaming!

Take care!

Heres my Sabre. Desert paint scheme. GW decals.

the sabre looks great.

^
what he said.

Mad4: That does look sweet! I am amazed at how well they went together last night. Minutes to build a single tank, most are primed in black, that resin really takes to super glue like nothing I have seen before, I think he actually washes off the mold oil after they come out of the molds, as well as the de-burring, I just had a little bit of edge something to do on some of the models and they came out fine!

Shingouki: I agree with you.

Shrike: Yep.

Here are mine after construction, the weapons are the "Heavy Bolter" and the Multi-laser. I will retcon smoke launchers and other kit later.
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The Dragoons, one buttoned up, the other with the commander using binoculars.
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all looking very good, the dimensions look fitting...tho i am not so sold on the to GW compared puny barrels...but i think when treated with your brush they will come out "great"


ah.... Justinian .... another follower into the fold^^

Well, I for one fell better about the guns as they are more realistic or true to scale than the GW ones, I mean the heavy bolters have a bigger than 37mm scale to them, and they are supposed to be like the cannons of the WWII-pre war era.

The Leman Russ Battle cannon is so much bigger than a 120mm as it is claimed to be. (You can slide a 1/35ths cale 120 barrel into the Battle cannon with room to spare, making it seem more like a 250mm cannon!)

Yep, he is the AdMech adviser to Mikhail.

Shaso...I too was amazed at the model. I like that half track...may have to add one to my collection. Possibly the AA Sabre version as well.

Mad4Minis wrote:Shaso...I too was amazed at the model. I like that half track...may have to add one to my collection. Possibly the AA Sabre version as well.

Yeah amazing stuff. Jez just told me he got fresh metal weapons in from his supplier, and that the Sabres and claymore should be shipping by Monday. The Dragoon makes for a good transport for a 5-man team and Salamander scout like vehicle.

Meanwhile, these amazing models in black primer, beware the black vehicles that arrive in the night!
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did you on purpose not attach at this stage the details you surley will add? like backpacks and shovels and such thing?
to me the look atm a bit flat but i know for sure this wont stay that way for long as with paint and details you will bring them up to a treat!
will there be too camonetting? seeing as how cool it worked out last time?

Viktor von Domm wrote:did you on purpose not attach at this stage the details you surley will add? like backpacks and shovels and such thing?
to me the look atm a bit flat but i know for sure this wont stay that way for long as with paint and details you will bring them up to a treat!
will there be too camonetting? seeing as how cool it worked out last time?

I can always scrape the primer from the spots the extra stuff will be stowed on these babies, and I do like the panel details and am debating camo netting, maybe for the Halftracks, they are supposed to be recon units after all.

Claymore front.
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one day you need to book your local sportsareana to show your whole collection...no lpace else could hold these masses^^

and seeing the last pic they are not flat but have lots of nice details now showing up! depends all on the angle i suppose^^

Yep, I have a large collection of vehicles alone! Like a national military, only smaller!^^

Yeah, they are nicely crafted aren't they?

Special report: Khadrovian Tech use
From; Interrogator Tillman
To: Inquisitor Armingast
Subject; Possible cracking of Xenos tech
Thought for the Day: "Burn the Heretic! Kill The Mutant! Purge the Unclean!"

M'lord judging by the associated pict capture in this report, I am having trouble telling if it is just a tremor shaking the camera or the use of technology from the Tau. They did in their recent history break from ties to the xenos species, and I will investigate further into this as they may have been slightly tainted by the desire to use a xenos techno-sorcery to protect their transports from long range fire. How they could have possibly cracked the tech I am at a loss to say, our own Admechs have not yet figured out how the bulk of their wargear works much less make their own.
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Your humble servant as always.
End Transmission.

lol....

by the way... didn´t realized it the first time when you psted day and night...but did you prime the one black and the other white? or am i just dense?^^

The speckly white is the resin's natural colour.

Viktor von Domm wrote:lol....

by the way... didn´t realized it the first time when you psted day and night...but did you prime the one black and the other white? or am i just dense?^^

Vik: Glad you like the little report. That is the raw, unprimed natural state of the models when pulled from the box


Chromedog: Correct! Old Crow sends out like that. No oily residue either I noted to my delight. Superglue bonded the pieces as if they were welded steel!


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Now to see how well this serves as a Chimers style vehicle, the hatches even can show where 5 can shot from, three single hatches, and a 2man hatch!
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will you be adding loopholes to the chimeras? also would love to see a backview of that piece of armor as i would like to see the dispatch hatch...

I will be working on them some more tomorrow, and I will show the back hatch is like the side ones on the Lancers. I am thinking it folds out some to allow entry. I will see if I have any hand rails left.I may have to drill, and make metal ones instead.

shasolenzabi wrote:

Viktor von Domm wrote:lol....

by the way... didn´t realized it the first time when you psted day and night...but did you prime the one black and the other white? or am i just dense?^^

Vik: Glad you like the little report. That is the raw, unprimed natural state of the models when pulled from the box
Chromedog: Correct! Old Crow sends out like that. No oily residue either I noted to my delight. Superglue bonded the pieces as if they were welded steel!

I've not had any issues gluing nor painting Jez's castings (unlike several other resin model makers). The surface takes paint readily and the pre-sanded flat surfaces that are meant to mate means that gluing it is a trick with some fast-acting glues. There was a little dust left on my casts from the sanding, but a quick wash took care of it.
Nothing like the heavy babygak-to-a-blanket stubborn FW mould release issues.

Nice to see there are other people who can see outside the GW box.

Yeah Chromedog, if you apply the rules from the codex to it, a tank is a tank no matter what it looks like.

a tank is a tank no matter what it looks like

best description to the term odd ball tanks i could come up with^^

Just wish the blind fools at my club could see that.

In their eyes, it isn't 40k unless you use GW models painted with GW paints, using GW brushes (and waterpot), as well as the rules.

Still, they've only ever known a world where my local town has a GW store (it has just turned 17), and you can get a game of 40k in most anywhere.
I come from the days when GW had NO stores here, and using the models you had for stuff was more important than being a brand whore.
They have no idea about Battletech or other games (and what's more, don't care.) or life outside the GW hobby (That's GW's hobby, that is. Selling overpriced trinkets to underexperienced kids).

if it wasn´t really so sad it could make one laugh...

chromedog wrote:Just wish the blind fools at my club could see that.

In their eyes, it isn't 40k unless you use GW models painted with GW paints, using GW brushes (and waterpot), as well as the rules.

Still, they've only ever known a world where my local town has a GW store, and you can get a game of 40k in most anywhere.

They have no idea about Battletech or other games (and what's more, don't care.) or life outside the GW hobby (That's GW's hobby, that is. Selling overpriced trinkets to underexperienced kids).

People like that are a big reason why I dont play any of GWs games. The crappy rules are the second reason. However, I do like some of their minis, so I buy them now and then.

Yep, at my local store, they accept the "Counts as" rules. if you do use the chimera rules for the Lancer/Claymore, they can sort of deal with the turrets, just make it a new mark of the damn thing.

The Dragoons are Salamanders with a Autocanon and targetter/auspex system and HK missile.

Sabre with the BIG gun can be the basic Leman Russ or the Vanquisher version. That is how my game area would see it.

My previous clubs were also like that (like your store, Shas').

Those clubs are now in another city some 3-4 hours travel time away (each way).

The current club is comprised mostly of 16-20 year olds (who were 12-15 year olds when I started going to it.) with a handful of over 20s.

They never gamed in the 80s or 90s. They don't know the times before GW made their own plastic vehicles.
Their first 40k games were mid 3rd ed - some were 4th ed.

The oldest other regular player (there are 3 of us over 30), started playing in 2nd ed, the other one was an RT vet like me. They can see my pov. The younger ones remind me of the adage "there are none so blind as those who will not see."

The older guys see my Pig Iron tanks and go "cool.".
They see my outlaw biker rough riders and go "cool.".
They see my old Crow stuff and go "cool.".

The younger ones see them and go "GW tanks look better." but they also pooh-pooh GW stuff prior to 3rd ed (except the guard vehicles) as they are "too small" and "modelling for advantage".

My rant over. I'll see about getting shots of my own OC stuff. I have some of their grav tanks as well as wheeled and tracked.

Cool deal about getting us pics Chromedog.

Shane the young 'uns can't understand. A small amount of the folks were also critical of the Old Crow stuff.

Ah, RT days, when stacks opf books were buildings or mountains of you tossed a sheet over them. OR raid the train sets for trees and buildings etc.! Make it yourself tanks, or grab some WWI/WWII kits and have fun!

Some days the camera is so fussy! Lancer with bitz added.
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Vik asked for rear hatch for the troops to embark/disembark the Claymore, I added the Dragoon as well.
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Claymore alone
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Dragoon Half-track with head-lights and Aquilla added
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People who start in one game/system/edition and never branch out always seem to have issues. People who have only played GW games seem to be even worse. They really take well to the brainwashing.

I once got shouted at ina GW store in Philly years ago, I had minis for my army that were not strictly GW but they were still saying use whatever minis on the market for the look you wanted for your army. This one fool yelled about it, and me and my friends left, never to return as he was an example of a bad trend of how the game would be looked upon by those who could not get outside the box.

This one fool yelled about it, and me and my friends left, never to return as he was an example of a bad trend of how the game would be looked upon by those who could not get outside the box.

Hi, new to the thread. Saw it and started trolling my through all the pages, stuff looks good, and based on what you've been saying actually went to Old Crow and looked at their stuff. Nothing really there for me as an Eldar Player, but as an Ork Mechaniak, there are a few of the accessories that i do want. so thanks for pointing me to them.

Now as for the quote above, sadly, your leaving the store, while it was the 'right' thing to do, was more than likely looked at as a victory by the guy who yelled at you for not using GW stuff. Have you noticed though that most people have no problem with an Ork player not using GW stuff? I mean we kitbash and scratchbuild the crap out of all kinds of stuff, and no one has an issue with it (except GW), but drop a G.I. Joe tank on the board and say this is my baneblade and people suddenly have a problem with it.

I've had a similar experience but in a different hobby, i'm also a member of the S.C.A., and once at an event, a member of the 'fashion police' told me that i wasn't in period costume and should therefore go back home and change into something more appropriate before returning. I was wearing blue jeans and a tunic, and kindly reminded them that the SCA says that we must make a 'serious attempt' at period clothing and that since the only period clothing i owned at the time was the tunic, then i have made that attempt and they go bother someone else about it. the person harrummphed, said well... at which point i turned and went on my merry way.

there's no escaping those who feel that they have the right to judge you based on criteria that only they know the rules for, it's a sad fact of life.

Hi SebastianSynn. Yeah, but we were not looking for a bad time, which that shrill conformity freak was going to do, he was a store worker, and well, there plenty of other things to do that day.

And I know about the scadian way of seeking period perfection.

Oh yeah, the only army that can get away with almost murder is the Orks.

thanks shaso for the backdoor pic....

so you began to go to town with your new tanks and added some more charcter to them... i like the chains and the smokelanchers...i think the aquilla looks a bit stuck in at the place now... is it beyond fixing? i would check if another place would be better...should have a bit of free space all around it...the backdoor hatches look like they could be really used for storming out, a fact i find most important for inspiring thoughts for the mini.

the fact that some nerdheads are so downright ugly about other models outside the range from GW is jealousy. jealousy because others can come of cheaper to the same effect... it pi...es them greatly off that they had to pay for their stormblade significanty more to get the same effect on the board as a player who wants to use the aforementioned G.I. Joe tank ... i think it is the lack of brains they are mostly jealous about... their own brains weren´t up to the task to go for another route than shooving GW relentlessly their hard cash gid knows where... so in conclusion we should pitty them...there was about a month or two ago a very heated thread about püapercraft models and some of our members were very biased about papermodels as stand ins for their so loved plastic toys...i think it is very tragic all in all...

on for lighter things... bring in more heavy armor^^ please^^

vik

No problems Vik.

Had to use the side options for the dragoon and Claymore, no real good place on the front. The ramps on the back are interesting, and likely a fold out section if need be inside for the taller claymore.

Back doors on the Lancer is 2 of them with powerful spring/hydraulic rams for the ramps.

Some folks cannot think past what they have been sold on.

I must wait for the Heavy armor to arrive.

Meanwhile have a Heavy fix from what I have in my gallery! Parade the heavies!!!
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somehow makes me feel like yellin`yeeehaaawww

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Well, that little orgy of heavy armor seems to have perked you up. Meanwhile, Old Crow said that these were on the way to reinforce my already potent heavy armor corps.
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Those two will be my last intake of tanks, once done with them, I will finish my fleet of other Leman Russ, and Superheavies

this one is even bigger than the others from OC? holy...

Sabre is slightly bigger than the Lancer, and the Lancer is a BIG transport

Progress update on my Old Crow tanks. I went to add the green camo on.
No longer naked, I primed and now have painted the second Lancer/Chimera.
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Here they next to each other, different patterning of the Green-ShadowGray
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Dragoons/Salamander
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Alongside the Claymore(Still waiting on Claymore #2 and the Sabre Tanks.
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Dragoons together
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Lonely Claymore all by it's lonesome.
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Lancer 1 with just two tone colors
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Lancer 2 in same condition.
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Side shot of Claymore
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Side of Dragoon 1
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Side of Dragoon 2
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Looking good.

Ive added a Dragoon (or 2) to my long term must have list.


Right now Im getting ready to paint a squad of new Grey Knight Terminators, kitbashed/customized of course.

All funds are on hold pending the opening of pre orders for Dreamforge Games Leviathan Crusader. I dont know exactly what kind of damage thats gonna do to the bank account, but likely somewhere in the $350-400 range.

Once thats ordered Ill know what kind of shape Im in for my next project. Probably a mecha thing based off of the Grey Knights dreadknight using a Sentinel cockpit.

Maybe I should start a mecha version of this thread...

Sounds like a good thread subject! And Thanks.

The Dragoons grow on you.

at Mad4Minis

i second the need of a oddball mecha thread^^

and could you provide a link to your soon to be happening major drain on your purse?

the tanks look very good already even with just two colors on them...shows how much color can add to a character of a tank...
and one thing... you wanted to show a sideshot of theclaymore but the front of the lancer is shown...

Thanks Vik, and the picture is fixed above

Build this build this! i know its not "real" but it'll be so cool if someone makes one

should this be a fellblade of the SOB ... now that would be nice!

and saw it and looks cool shaso!

Lunahound, that is one cool Superheavy!

Vik. I have more pics for later.

Viktor von Domm wrote:at Mad4Minis

i second the need of a oddball mecha thread^^

and could you provide a link to your soon to be happening major drain on your purse?

Here ya go. First pic is a render of a Crusader with extra armor, thats the one Im getting. Second is the Mortis variant, without extra armor. Im also going to be getting the optional claw, seen on the Mortis, instead of the blade arm thats stock on the Crusader. Pic of the Mortis is the actual assembled model.

The model is around 9 inches tall depending on how its posed. Kit has something like 140+ parts, with a huge amount of articulation. Kit shoud run around $300 give or take, plus more for the extra armor and claw options. Wont know exact prices until the preorders open.

ah i remeber seeing this hulking behemoth in the news and rumor section...both are jewels of mechanized walking death machines^^


be sure to sleep over the idea of a mech thread^^

That first one has a giant assault cannon if I've ever seen one...
exellent model, and may I just say the first thing that came to my head on the top pic was "chaos reaver titan", but looking at it's "jaw", then it could count as a GK titan.
the bottom pic can definitely pass as a nurgle titan.

Mad4minis: That Crusader one looks like it would be a good support for Grey Knights. If you can afford, and buy it, we do want a progress thread as you work on it.

Vik: More pics inbound, black part of the three color camo is on them now!

Claymore left side.
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Right and front sides.
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Claymore and Dragoons together
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Dragoons with an angled pose, showing off their clean for now tires and full camo paint!
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From above. Oh yeah, they also sport headlights now as I managed to have spare scout bike parts that allowed me to cut, and glue these onto the fenders, very retro-style. Also the only real place I could fit them!^^
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Lancers with full camo together. Time to upload the other pics for viewing! But this should hold folks for now.
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Zabi the next time you take pictures of the old crow tanks , can you place a GW mini next to it? im interested , thanks :3

you have too many tanks shazo! ;-)

Here's a pic of the Claymore (8 wheeler) with GW models for scale.


It needs a new turret - the missile one went to another tank (my guard manticore).
Sizewise, it's about 2" longer than a chimera and about 1" narrower than one.

LunaHound: I do have a mini next to one. The tech priest is a GW one for the IG
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Neil101: I have not even shown just how many tanks I do have (Just for the IG alone!), and one can never have too many tanks!!


Chromedog: Nice, Praetorians next to a Claymore/Manticore styled!

The strapping young lads - they're just cadians with headswaps (wargames factory British Line infantry from their Zulu wars stuff).

The making of their crossed belts took the longest.

Need to get me some of those Lancer tracked transports.

one can never have too many tanks!!

exactly, I have 3 Eldar Falcons, 3 NightSpinners (Forgeworld's, the new plastic one, and one i built myself), 2 Fire Prisms, 5 Wave Serpents, and a Scorpion super heavy. and i still need the FW Cobra, the new FW Lynx, the new FW Warphunter, 9 of the New FW Hornets, a 3rd Fire Prism and a 6th Wave Serpent.

If i ever decide to do an Imperial Guard or Pre-Heresy SM army i'm gonna remember these tanks, and grab some up. They have really clean lines, and the fact that they have been trimmed and washed is a serious bonus, and that's just without the paint. Adding the paint on just makes them look even better.

Chromedog: Thanks for pointing it out. You did a nice conversion job on them. The Lancers are burly transports, may have to pay 70pts for 11side armor!

SebastianSynn: So very true! Sounds like you are well on your way. BTW, Old Crow could conceivably outfit entire regiments with the vehicle line he has set up! He even has a Valkyrie like air transport that tempts me!

Meanwhile, rear hatches on the Claymore and Dragoons
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All five transports showing their rear ramps, such cheeeky girls!
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Lancer rears, I see these as powered embarking ramps.
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shasolenzabi wrote:Mad4minis: That Crusader one looks like it would be a good support for Grey Knights. If you can afford, and buy it, we do want a progress thread as you work on it.

I am going to, preorders will hopefully open sometime this week.

I think I may use it to start a mecha thread. Well, that depends on how long delivery takes. Could be a month or two since casting will begin after preorders close. If I get something in the meantime Ill use that as a kickoff.

SebastianSynn: So very true! Sounds like you are well on your way. BTW, Old Crow could conceivably outfit entire regiments with the vehicle line he has set up! He even has a Valkyrie like air transport that tempts me!

I'm past that point. with the new FW Nightspinner i just got in last week, fully kitted out according to the codex, brings me to just over 11,500 pts of Eldar.
Yeah i saw the flyers as well, and they do look nice, but their still flying bricks no matter who makes them or how nice they are.

Mad4minis: I will be looking forwards to seeing such a t hread from you.

SebastianSynn: Yep! Always seems to be the ugly yet somehow functional ones that get the "love"


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Of course I get a more "Starship Troopers" feel from the Old Crow VTOL.

LunaHound wrote:Build this build this! i know its not "real" but it'll be so cool if someone makes one

Lol! it says tallarn on the side!

Found an AFV that seems to have a similar layout to the Lancer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jM92YpIRD8&feature=related

Even thought it looks a bit more like. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym9e8Qi0yZY&feature=related

I discovered the Old Crow Crossfire turret looks similar to this one on the CV-90 chassis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7tObbS1IN8

This could lead to turret system orders to make my vehicles get re-fits to look different and act different.

After watching those vids, I feel like their incomplete. There should be a blurb in there about their 9 miles to the gallon highway efficiency, new anti lock braking technology (they don't brake, they plow right through), keyless remote start and that MSRP is only $100k. only $2000 down and 19% apr, so come on down to your local Chevy dealer today, sale ends Saturday.

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cool vid there shaso... the first one looked very similar to the OC models for me... by the way.... the look of the vids is really like a commercial....but who could afford that amount of money? and where would i put three security seats for my kids inside?^^
anyway, traffic jams and parking issues would evaporate^^ for ever^^

to your pics shaso: i think the camo effect of yours is getting very much better with these new models, specially like the way the thinning lines to the end of the black camo part at the end... that looks really professional!

one thing that leaves me asking is the rear of the lancers.... there is something missing there? looks as if there should be a part (two parts each actually between those spiral thingies at the rear...know what i mean?

other than that the tanks look very good and you´re doing an exellent job sir!

at mad4minis you could start your blog with the history as you have already lots of mechas i gather^^

Thanks Vik. The vids are produced by the companies making the tanks.

But the one FRES one, the large turret looked so much like the "crossfire" turret.


Well, iu am simply remembering having to paint the Battery trucks for our missile unit all the way to 1984!

Those just are the empty spaces between the huge springs of the ramps.My way of looking at it is the actual doors are flush with the hull, and these mighty devices allow the Lancer to force open and close the rear so that the men can enter/leave and also help push obstructions out of their way.

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i have yet again to say seeing how cool camo can look i regret a bit that my IGs can´t have camo on their armor as i think it would be a bit against their fluff...

Your theme is of the old days of steam and empie building with your chivalrous soldiers decked out in colorful livery and feathers.

My theme is more modernized, with all kinds of grueling needs for camouflage and other systems to help them be sneaking upon the enemy to deliver vicious blows of an ungentle-manly kind.


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the blueing effect is from the different lightsources...can be lessened by an even, white background. some sheat of paper or plasticcard should help the matter greatly...

Well, I just sawe some video today of guess what,,,blue camo in Chinese army wheeled artillery vehicles.

well as the saying goes: pic or it didn´t happen^^

Video with Chinese national anthem, complicated musical score. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhpruspBZgg


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for me digital camo looks tupid even if it might work...
that cobled together with those white rimmed wheels...its just...


and your blue camo looks somehow more like working than their´s...

also if it weren´t for their amount of aromor and menpower i think they look stupid all the way... really cant befriend with the fact that china is going to be/is a major player... makes me want to change the whole game...feels now as if they are somehow cheating...
and only thing we must as a 40k player admit: they live the IG spirit to the fullest....

Well, I think the huge digi camo is the dumbest thing ever as it looks so silly so macro sized on aircraft and tanks, as well as ships.

The digi camo in the video reminds me of old Mario on nintendo

ok, camouflage paint on an armoured vehicle/building/trooper is so that whatever it is is more able to blend into the background, SO....

How exactly does someone hide a tank in the middle of the forest when the d**n thing is painted in an ALL BLUE camouflage pattern?

the digital camo is also of limited use as camouflage is supposed to break up the hard edges, in effect smoothing out the lines of the tank. all of this an effort to make it harder to spot something from the ground or from the air, so again, how exactly are you planning to hide a tank with a hard edged camo pattern in the middle of that same forest? now the digital camo makes sense in an urban setting, but then the tank should be colored in blacks, greys, and reds, to simulate concrete, steel, brick and shadows.

i tell you, there are times when the military mindset is absolutely stunning with it's simplistic stupidity.

And you can add to the fact that someone made money off of selling the military in so many countries into buying the damn paintjob!


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i tell you, there are times when the military mindset is absolutely stunning with it's simplistic stupidity

hear, hear, hear!^^ also sebastionsyn, thank you for removing that sig movie of yours... my pc is lagging always like hell...
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and at shaso: gogo for organic camo^^ sounds a bit like nids ^^

I have just one, a Lictor, painted like a Pacific Leopard Shark.

yep...i guess that look might work as a scheme...^^

also sebastionsyn, thank you for removing that sig movie of yours... my pc is lagging always like hell...

sorry brah, your first that said it was causing a lag, if someone had said something, i would have dumped it sooner. I only got rid of it myself because it was starting to annoy me, and i made the danged thing, so if it's annoying me, what's it doing to others, was the thought i had.

anyways, time for bed, ya'll have fun, and i'll see you later.

Shaso, I agree, keep the flowing camo look, it looks good.

Well, all my IG will keep the camo they have, and I started adding metallics to the vehicles
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just realized that this one gatling gun ontop of the lancers is huge^^...
and the enemy, i have doubts as to if they will appreciate the detailwork on your tanks, as we do^^

It is no bigger than the Multi-laser on a standard Chimera, but is in more scale truth than the GW models. Still sufficient to the task at hand.

Same exact turret for the Claymore
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was meant as huge in a good way^^ ,like a big gun as the next guy^^...

off topic but only slightly... may you be interrested to see some new development i am currently working on? don´t want to highjack your thread^^ but your work here might come in handy for analysing the work^^ as is

Ah, no worries Vik, I know there are some differences between English-German and back.

Sure let us see what you had in mind for examination.

ohhhkay^^

so here it is...



that old stormtrooper is for scale issues^^ it is just one track upside down and still very early in WIP...used the tracks of a template of a mark V and will build from that tottaly from scratch further on...of course in the true spirit of steampunkyness...

p.s. i doubled the tracks all over in scale...

I am noticing the sharply smaller end to the left of the trooper. I am thinking it could be carefully shaved to a more rounded look? I see a gap in track that would allow it to be done.

the tracks are also far from done... i used pieces of cardboard 3cm to 2 cms and glued them together to simulate "scaled" tracks... later i think i will add bitz i done with my holepunch set and glue them to the tracks to further detail the tracks...
the gap you see now is the current end of the work so far...have to make new bitz of cardboard...underneath the cardboard is a core of foamboard and a thin seamline strip...sponsored by my wife (its very long and has the right dimensions so i could use it to even the rubbish work of minewith the foamboard...)

Viktor von Domm wrote:the tracks are also far from done... i used pieces of cardboard 3cm to 2 cms and glued them together to simulate "scaled" tracks... later i think i will add bitz i done with my holepunch set and glue them to the tracks to further detail the tracks...
the gap you see now is the current end of the work so far...have to make new bitz of cardboard...underneath the cardboard is a core of foamboard and a thin seamline strip...sponsored by my wife (its very long and has the right dimensions so i could use it to even the rubbish work of minewith the foamboard...)

Good to see that you gave yourself room to work with Vik!

Now this was done with helpfulness in mind. Now this little traktor was done withe track system in plastic-card. Really hard to round out at times if you are not careful, but essentially I had to make the tracks look rounded enough to be taken seriously.
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And here was the first one. notice the big difference in the track plate design? Took me some time, but with the templates you sent, I can adapt the patterns to make other superheavies (I figured that will be one) that you are making.
But it is shorter and higher
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i´ve worked with plastic card for a for now paused landraider attempt and it was a huge effort to cut the plasticcard into shape! do you think i should better use another methode as the overlapping cardboard pieces to go for a tracksystem?

Now this was done with helpfulness in mind.

i am very open for critizism as i think this is you´re domain here with all your tanks you´ve built so far. so don´t get frightened off for any unintented missunderstandings from my part. i need that knowledge of yours! i could have posted the pic in my own thread but i thought this discussion more apropriate here^^. sometimes i think my german heritage gets the better of me as we germans tend to speak to straight to the point and this might cause beeing seen as rude^^ if i ever sound that way...it is purley unintentional!^^
and i just now understood what you wanted to point out with your most recent pics... the outer detail of the parts i have done now will of course see some more detail...your design and especially the last pic remind me of the leman russ or possibly the land raider design for the tracksystem...

by the way, do you know a good site wher to see on a pic all the names of parts of a tank so to better adress the parts in english? i fear i reach the end of my schoolenglish here know as it gets more technical by the minute^^

Well, Glacis plate=front. Mantlet=cannon mount, side or flank, self evident, rear, deck=top, turret most folks know that part, belly=underside. Skirt=extra side armor. Sponson= weapon housing off the sides such as the MK-I thru VIII series.

Overlapping cardboard for tracks is okay, some may do more elaborate work on their treads.

Yeah, I was trying to emulate the Centaur/Leman Russ side armors a bit when I made them.

Straight to point let's me know where you stand better, we Americans are also seen as rude for such a way of plain speech.

I made the list above, all attempts to find such a site that names the parts all try to give you sites that discuss a particular tank in details.

Oh yes, Bogey wheels=these are the wheels that touch the treads low on the system, basically "roadwheels" return rollers for track systems that use them instead of the old WWI and french style of return skid plates.
Idler wheel= helps keep the track on like a roadwheel but higher up.

Sprocket wheel=this is the drive wheel, usually connected to the transmission axle.

those tank terms are much apreciated shaso, helps me much better to communicate with you^^
i only got to know of the cetaur due to shrike as he wanted to make them out of epic leman russ kits i think...
first time i hear of rudeness related to american speach habits... mostly i only know all cuddly and overjoyed speach habbits... mostly from the west coast mind you^^

Overlapping cardboard for tracks is okay, some may do more elaborate work on their treads

care to help me with dong that? the treads should not look when painted as if they are cardboard overlapped...if push comes to shove i am willing to give the whole thing a redo from zero...so speak thy mind freely^^ better to start now anew then later and haveing to much work done in the wrong direction...

the problem is victor, that it's cardboard and unless you dress it up with thin plasticard, it's gonna look like cardboard when you paint it as well.
treads can be easily done out of plasticard, just cut a rectangle, then take a strip of 'T' shaped plasticard and cut a strip that is the same width as the rectangle. glue that in place and add 'rivets' to it and you have a caterpiller typre tread. here's an example of what i'm talking about:

just make sure that the piece of plasticard under the treads is thin and flexible enough to bend around your curves. here's a different style of tread that could be easily done with plasticard.

in this example, there's the underlying strip that the plates are set on, the plates themselves could then be rectangular cuts of plasticard, shave a small area from the center edge of each plate and drill and elongate a hole in the center.

BUT never ever do this:
http://www.geekologie.com/2008/06/epic_failures_how_not_to_drive.php
this was just for laughs.

Edit: for some reason that first link was also messing up for me, and did not improve by refreshing the page, dropped it as an image and tried it as just an url and it got worse. so i have removed the original picture and replaced it with one that is similar but will hopefully not fail to work properly.

ok fellas, today my wife also told me that the treads look odd...so i think we move this discussion now to my own blog to keep shasos to his own needs^^ he deserves the space to be used for his creations...would you follow this small linky provided here to share further thoughts and helpful hints^^

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/690/342213.page#2669151


thanks shaso and please help me further on my blog^^ also i would greatly welcome your insights SebastionSynn
as well, we can never have to many good heads with useful information bashed together ^^

also i would like to see the first pic as it seems to be non working...mind to share the link?


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ups after reloading this page i now see it ... had looked the link of the pic directly too so now i am a bit more learned^^

Well, I had been thinking about doing like Synn said, or doing an style of GW tread with plastic rectangles with tube stock cut down and added like the ancient landraider kits used to do, or just add shapes to the treads with smaller plastic card cut outs.

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i like those treads the most as of now^^ i think this is a good scheme right there...

also did i point out that i like your headlights? gives a real good workable style to the tanks!

The treads on the halftracks are simple, and easily workable imo.

The headlights were from scout bikes, they give you one for the bolters, and another for the grenade launcher in the kits. I simply cut them down, glued them in place and maybe some smoothing with putty.
The basic Dragoon smooth fenders. Had to add headlights!

yep the look you created is just as it is meant to be^^

Heh! what can I say? Fenders with headlights takes me back a ways.^^

so is it time again to dirty your models? or are you working with metalics on the other vehicles?

Gotta get the metal colors down before I add the dirty look to them, overlaid on the metal and camo of course. Note the treads on Lancer 1?
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of course you have to get the metal in your assembly line done first. then the dirtying^^

do you mean their built? how they look? i think i could actually try to scratchbuilt that look...got some mini tube thingies from the kids in abundace that could be used here...

Oh, have not begun to make the all sheet plastic tanks yet, so much to get done with the Old Crow kits as well as the rest of my "fleet" of tanks.
Done with the Vasily and T-440, done with the MBT-90D
done with so few of my big girls!

lol... big girls with big`uns^^

I bet someone already posted this, but I'm not going to slog through 26 pages to find out:

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/Secrets-of-the-Third-Reich/Soviet-Vehicles/Nayk-Spider-MechaA-/prod_9068.html
THIS

Vik: You got that right!^^

Lessthan1337: I have seen that big beast! Superheavy Walker that would be.

I love old crow models, I haven't bought any of the actual tank kits but several turrets and gun parts to mod up my GW vehicles. I thought hard about those dragoon halftracks and now seeing the size I think they'd do fairly nice as Chimera alternatives themselves.

Here is my Manticore made with Old Crow's tactical missile turret

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Dry-brushing allowed the design to show through on this tread pattern
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It is one oddball of a tank

i like to drybrush with very small amount of metal paint over black to even get a bit of a scratched look to the metalics...costs/wastes more paint but if i do swords and barrels or even platemail it looks much better than a thin coat of metalpaint...and to later wash it with badabblack...

Yep, washes will be applied and then the "muddy" effects. making it look like the bulk left the tank but left residue behind like all of my tanks!^^

Lancer 2 from the side.
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Wild camo scheme.

that camo looks most bizzare^^

Try this one on.

yep thats quite good looking...^^ i take that and a coke and a milkshake to go ^^

shasolenzabi wrote:Try this one on.

This was the same time period as the so-called "dazzle" paint jobs on British and allied warships. They look bizarre but in the days of optical range finding and picking your targets by eyeball it was a very successful means of breaking up a ship's outline which made it hard to determine the ship's size, type, or distance

Possibly would look like drifts of smoke if spotted from the side.

is that an eye on the front side?

looks a bit that way...

Looks like they painted an eye.
A good and dirty tank!

looks almost scratchbuilt... the weathering and mud and so on is covering the treads so much that you can´t tell if it was made from a kit^^


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hey just read this post in the thread of maxmini...:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/660/284081.page#2676333

this might be something for you after all shaso^^

Nice Scrap tanks!

well i thought you might want some of these to go as sentinels for your khardovians...

Nah! Me Orkses would steal those from 'em!

0h yeah. finally found a Sentinel with the new missile launcher!

do you refer to the slim multilauncher or the one rocketlauncher on the left?

in a battle both weaponloadouts seem to be something of a restriction... at least one energy based weapon would be more realistic to stay in combat for a longer time...

Ah, but rarely does the sentinel last that long!

But the slim multi-launcher was what I as suggesting to emulate on your own sentinels. if you could get your own launcher closer to the body of the machine like that.

now that i understand. yes this would be more fitting looking...seems tho to make an awful lot of effort to field a sentinel if it doesn´t last long enogh to use it´s payload...
do the sentinelpilots know of their short living situation when going into battle fluffwise?

Yes, they do, and they are very bad with insubordinate behavior due to it. But they are allowed some leeway as they are basically going about in tin cans!

I like the missile load as it is flexible, Frag for soldiers and Krak for heavy infantry and medium armor vehicles.

well it is deseved a bit... if you are a daredevil you can act the part^^

missile load as it is flexible, Frag for soldiers and Krak for heavy infantry and medium armor vehicles

is this to be listed before game or do you have the option to express what type of amo you use in midgame?

And those pilots live their own way as such daredevils, like pilots of the ancient Great War and their bi-planes.

Missile launchers are set to be flexible, but when you fire a missile, you simply let your opponent know that you are firing frag if the target is soldiers, or Krak if they are Marines or vehicles as frag is basically worthless against vehicles.

if they are not to be listed before hand then the misslesystem is the best there is as i understand it...cool...this will be remebered...

MissileLauncher=flexibility

if they are not to be listed before hand then the misslesystem is the best there is as i understand it...cool...this will be remebered...

All generic missile launcher systems in the game work the same way, from IG and SM, to Eldar, only specific missile systems like the Hunter Killer missile have listed stats that don't change. It also depends on what you plan to shoot that determines whether a missile system is worth it. IE against a Land Raider w/armor 14, a Krak missile needs a 6 to glance, but against an Ork Trukk w/ armor 10, a Krak missile only needs a 2 to glance, 3+ to penetrate. So if I'm up against the SM army with the Land Raider and I have something else like a Brightlance (which I usually do) to shoot the raider with, I'll use it first and save the missile system for shooting something else like the Devastator marines with the Plasma missile or try to thin out the termies with the Krak missile.

Plasma missile

... man what many a stuff don´t i know off...

So many weapons to learn about and deal with on the 40k battlefield!

yep... i thought i was a bit on top of it concerning the footslagger weapons but it goes literally ballistic when open the tank issue door^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:yep... i thought i was a bit on top of it concerning the footslagger weapons but it goes literally ballistic when open the tank issue door^^

Yes, best have a nice mix of weapons, Lascannons for tanks Multi-meltas too. Missiles and plasma for light vehicles and marines. Multi-laser for hordes as well as auto cannons. Armored sentinel units are for flank hunting, depending upon the enemy, choose the weapon loadout carefully!

Viktor von Domm wrote:now that i understand. yes this would be more fitting looking...seems tho to make an awful lot of effort to field a sentinel if it doesn´t last long enogh to use it´s payload...
do the sentinelpilots know of their short living situation when going into battle fluffwise?

In Vietnam US helicopter door gunners had a life expectancy measured in minutes...somewhere around 4 minutes I think it was. Some sources site it as being as short as 20 seconds in a hot LZ.

so much for movies as a precise means of documentation...

Well Vik, you had asked about seeing all the Khadrovian tank fleet arrayed as one. In this picture is the T-440(Akuyaku), T-290, Char-1B Malcador,and the T-350, Then the Sea Dragon, 4 x Leman Russ, LemanAnnihilatorGrizzsly, Exterminator and the double treaded Demolisher.
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Making 12 tanks on first half of wave one.

The second set of wave 1
Punisher, Pz2Hellhound, 2 x Vanquishers, hellhound, Leman Russ, Eradicator, Hydra, Banewolf. Behind are the sentinels, Vasily tank, and Baneblade. That finishes wave 1
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Wave 1 from the front.
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Thus it is time for Wave 2! ^^
Chimeras x 4 in front row, part of the 5th one, Manticore Missile Launcher, Valdor, Basilisk x 2, Thudd gun battery with tractors.
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Chimera 5 and 6, Lancer, S-tank Valdor, Claymore. and the rest was listed above
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The other Lancer, both Dragoons, MBT-90D
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54 pieces.

i was able due to your listing of names to identify all but two, and those two are, the one with the long flat main gun that looks like a Tau rail gun and the one next to it on the left hand side when looking at them from the front. if i had to guess i would name it as a tank hunter.

at any rate that's a buttload of tanks, and here i thought i had a bunch at 13 grav tanks. I bet you have a lot of fun at Apoc games.

SebastionSynn wrote:i was able due to your listing of names to identify all but two, and those two are, the one with the long flat main gun that looks like a Tau rail gun and the one next to it on the left hand side when looking at them from the front. if i had to guess i would name it as a tank hunter.

at any rate that's a buttload of tanks, and here i thought i had a bunch at 13 grav tanks. I bet you have a lot of fun at Apoc games.

The Valdor tankhunter from the Vraks Campaign books. The other one using the railgun is also used as a Valdor stand in. Neutron lasers . they can have feedback problems so most are not too upset about the weapons being used. The Valdor is a FW model. The other you mentioned was a swedish S Tank kit.


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Oh yeah, I have yet to get a good sized Apoc game where all of those get to play at once!


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My Tau hgave 2 x Tetras, 5 x Piranhas, 8 x Devilfish, 2 x Skyrays, one VDR tank hgunter, and about 6-8 Hammerheads

Marines, 4 Landraiders, 1 vindiocator, 2 whirlwinds, 5 x speeders, 1 predator, 5 rhino/razorbacks, 5 drop-pods 6 x Dreadnoughts

Orks 1 Stompa. 2 Battle wagons. 3 Trukks a buggy, skorcha and wartrakk 2 killa kans and a Deffdread.

CSM equiv 1 defiler

lol, that sounds like me, haven't had a good game of Apoc either, have played in Apoc games but when the game ends at turn 2 because thier are so many players, and only so much time in ONE day, kinda sucks.

like i stated before i have 13 grav tanks = 3 Falcons, 3 Nightspinners, 2 Fireprisms, and 5 Wave Serpents, add to that numerous infantry (about 200 or so) 3 vypers, 3 wraithlords, 12 jetbikes, 13 jetlocks(warlocks on jetbike), a jetseer, an autarch biker, all of the phoenix lords, the avatar, 2 support battery platforms, A FW Nightwing Interceptor, A FW Scorpion super heavy, and a FW Revenant Titan. All of that and you still have me beat with your imperial guard.

Nids were supposed to be my second army and traitor sisters my third, but somehow my GorkaMorka boyz took over and became the second big army, with a kustom battlewagon bus, a buggy, 4 kustom trukks, 10 warbikers, 3 deffkoptas, about 40-50 orks (boyz, nobs, and warboss), a fightta, and a WIP fightta bomma. future plans are to do a looted drop pod under the looted wagon rules, and a battlefortess that can be pulled apart to be two battlewagons if needed.

nids are still my third army, as i don't even have a full squad of sisters yet, nor have i even begun their transformation into an all he-man haters Chaos Undivided army. plans are to have seraphims with actual bat wings instead of jumppacks, penitent engines that are a bit more Hellraiser in gory mode, and several modeled up as hellraiser (cybarrites?), and so on, and so on. What with the rumour mill stating sisters having a new codex next march, meaning new models as well, possibly plastic, it means the traitor sisters will be easier to convert and cost WAY less.

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IG the other Horde army

Still, as you can see, with my IG alone, so much painting to get done

that! as i saw that you somehow jumped up to the next projetc before ending the former^^ seems this is a hobby related problem around here^^

that is a massive force...and it screams imperial force with every orifice^^...
as for finding suitable games your tau seem acording to your sig to be a pretty good match for your IGs, so you could have a fitting game all by yourself...bet you haven´t got enough place to put up all of your stuff on one flat space in the whole house^^

thanks mate for showing us all your precious gems^^ having seen all your IG armor now i beg to see some of this stuff up close^^ specialy the warzone sentinel standins...they look really nice.

one thing i came to detect tho was the treads of the T-440...they are a bit compared to the others to colorful...may i suggest using a very light drybrush of boltgun metal ofer them to tone them done a bit? the overall color effect your army creates is somehow canceled by those treads...

4 Landraiders

do you know the term "meschugge"?

and at sebastansynn...
your orctruckbus is lovley, saw that in your gallery^^ very nice indeed!

Yes, I can jump all over the place and then back even in conversation, some folks find my ability to change subjects at such speed exhausting!

I live in a humble apartment, my armies can see massive battles at the game store, but the bigger the forces arrayed the more time need per turn.

Oh I will have to have more threads as each project get's done on each batch of tanks.

Sentinels will have their own thread as well.

Yeah, that T-440 I forgot to muddy those track shoes! But some Bolt gun metal could help a bit and then dirty them up!

LOL! Raised in a Jewish household after adoption, I know the term!
No normal Landraiders for me though! MKI refitted, MKII, MKII"Crusader" and a Redeemer.

i really love the sound of jiddish^^ some of my relatives were of jewish heritage...so some terms made it in my vocabulary^^

the old MKI Landraider is a bit too small and boxy for me but i see why it is such a classical item to most.
if i had sucha collection you could imagine me on my knees in my flat doing little sounds like "BLAMOOO" and "DAKKADAKKA" and rubbing my knees sore while happily playing with my toytanks^^

would probably need to remove the whole furniture of my childrens room and the livingroom together but after that i would have a decent battleground as the two rooms are conected by a winged double door^^ so this would be a nice occasion to not have a easy fireingline at the start^^

Nice.

Mine is a little less so after I added the assault ramp to it.(The MKI)

Yeah, sometimes it slips out during a game.

Nice sized battle-field indeed.

well this is only food for thought so^^ when moving into this flat we had our old wooden railroad set from the kiddies built up to an enormous size... then came the carpet and all the other furniture and hence the place is packed ^^ so this was just a extremly mindgame thought^^

Understood, thaat is why a coffee table was used as the "parade ground" for the tanks. but if allowed the space to have them all set up at once,,,,oh-hoho! that would have been a grand viewing indeed!

where do you store all this stuff of legends? got some honor shelfs in the living room to show them of to visitors and also to when sitting in the comfy chair to feast on them with your eyes?

Not even that, I have some shelf space for a few, but the bulk of the time they are kept in soft foam laden boxes. I am also still working on the Old Crow stuff and keeping them in the box they came in with the bubble wrap to protect them as well. Then add the hundreds of troopers I have to go with and the Khadrovians have a Grand Army of the Emperor of Mankind!

well if you´d made shelfs for all of your models, tanks and what not... look at the home insulation aspect here... would keep you well ahaead of the thremal issue in your flat... open space is to be heated... furniture and the denser the material gets can store warmth far longer and better... so pluck your walls with shelfs and the shlefs then with minis and you can save money for heating less^^

LOL! I am expecting a move to a newer time zone in a couple of months, so I am not likely to do that much work on the walls here.

Oh yes, a little request filled for our young friend Shrike. He wished to see the Char-1Malcador next to a GW mini for reference of size.
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A closer level, and you can see the "rivets" made from dots of PVA glue.
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you did these only from pva glue? aplied witha toothpick or how? the ones one the turret and the sponsons are made by you? looking cool, and convincing... might have to steal that idea...

Yes, the ones on the sponsons and the Bolter structure are PVA glue, finely applied with a canula attached to the glue bottle. when that failed the direct approach was used.
The hull plates have the ones molded by the model company on them.

i´ve read about that once on a site... but seeing yours i like to give that a try... for now i used the smallest diameter of my wholepunchset and it is a tedious work but very rewarding as rivets give such a working look to tankplates and other structures...

Viktor von Domm wrote:i´ve read about that once on a site... but seeing yours i like to give that a try... for now i used the smallest diameter of my wholepunchset and it is a tedious work but very rewarding as rivets give such a working look to tankplates and other structures...

While it does give the surface a more working look. I do keep in mind that the Imperium seems to have less reliance on welded and cast parts for their tanks as opposed to rivets. This I attribute to their loss of so much tech. I will simply say that the Khadrovian "Vasily" tank is smooth due to it being a ancient technique to making it re-discovered by the Adeptus Mechanicus they have with them. This makes that welded construction monster a sacred artifact and hence of labor of religious devotion to build the superheavy tank killers.

And then they still have these to work with.
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While it does give the surface a more working look. I do keep in mind that the Imperium seems to have less reliance on welded and cast parts for their tanks as opposed to rivets. This I attribute to their loss of so much tech. I will simply say that the Khadrovian "Vasily" tank is smooth due to it being a ancient technique to making it re-discovered by the Adeptus Mechanicus they have with them. This makes that welded construction monster a sacred artifact and hence of labor of religious devotion to build the superheavy tank killers.

that's pretty in-depth thinking there and it fits nicely. I got the drop pod today by selling off a few of my M:tg cards to the store, so hopefully soon i'll start working on the thread for looting it.

SebastionSynn wrote:
that's pretty in-depth thinking there and it fits nicely. I got the drop pod today by selling off a few of my M:tg cards to the store, so hopefully soon i'll start working on the thread for looting it.

I tend to make fluff for every piece i have in my collection pretty much. I am looking forward to seeing the drop-pod lootage.

fluff for me tends to either come before i play a mini because of some conversion or such that i did, like the Farseer in my gallery with the flaming sword, or from actual game play.

for instance, i now have a new Aspect Shrine within my craftworld (allthough i have yet to come up with a name for the shrine). in a recent game against a white scars player vs my Eldar, i had been pounding on him and his Dark Angels teammate for the first turn, second turn the DA's teleport in a squad of termies behind my tanks and near our objective.

on my turn my fire dragons disembarked from their falcon, and on the other side of the termies my Avengers also disembarked into forested terrain in the hopes of backing up the fire dragons. needless to say the termies were shot all to hell but unfortunately enough survived to assualt my dragons and kill them. the white scars player moves his dreadnaught off to the side closer to the wave serpent that dropped off the avengers and then shoots the brightlance off of it.

on my turn i tried to ram him with the now weaponless serpent and failed to do anything. he also failed to do anything to the serpent during his assault turn. on my turn i moved the serpent just under 24" away from him and waited. during his turn he failed to move his dreadnaught and left it's backside facing me, needless to say i rammed him again, and this time not only penetrated, but exploded his dreadnaught.

that particular wave serpent now carries a dreadnaught front armor shield hanging from it's front fins as a kill trophy, and thusly has the guardian pilot inside begun his trip down a new path of war using the very vehicles themselves as weapons.

Sounds like you have some good tales of that pilot to tell.

I have a lot of characters in all my armies with histories of battles and some have trophies

Thats a pretty good job on the rivets.

Mad4Minis wrote:Thats a pretty good job on the rivets.

Thanks! I had considered gluing and then cutting round stock but realized I did not have enough to finish the task.

sooo mate, how is work on the tanks doing?

Hit a slow down. More work and pics coming soon though.

Thanks to Vik, I had some nice concept patterns to work from and came up with this, drawn on the plasticard
Not sure what name to give the tank yet, but it should be an old name, but so many have been grabbed.
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If kept at this size, it will be taller than a Leman Russ, and almost twice the length.


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I re-worked the main turret and hull patterns some and got Object 44272a. the basic pattern owes itself to the MK-IV tank, I could make it even longer and make it like a MK-V** style hull and tread system, but i worry about structural integrity, may use sprues inside the panels under the treads to strengthen the model.
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And as promised the longer hull and tread concept tank design, Object 44273, a much heavier tank design to try out.
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wow....just wow...love the first pics, this will be such a nice one!
did you already sketch on plasticcard or do you use here a cardboard? looks very different from my stock of plasticcard cuase of the round corners...

a super heavy is somehow also what i am planning to do...something of a combination of a transport and a super heavy punchpacker^^

love how you already state that i will be twice as high as the leman russ...very needed^^
since you use plasticcard the option to use pink insulation foam to help for structural sturdyness wont be helpfull as you then cant use plastic glue or superglue to get the parts to stick together and with plasticcard the PVA only works in very limited ways...so using sprues and such things might be the only option i see too...

how will you do the treads? do you have a design already?^^

very interesting project... and i will too think about a name for yours... tho it will come doubly hard for me as i still am thinking of one for me...a numeral one for your need would be easy to find but i think a IG tank should also have a striking name like chimera or malcador... somewhat influenced by greek mythology...or maybe there is a russian myth you could use? i am not fluent in that matter tho...

cheers mate and i hope you make good progress with this project^^

vik

That is the plastic-card stock I got in trade Vik^^ I did indeed draw on the plastic for size ideas, and decided to start object 44273 I cut the 4 plates out to make the tread sections, and then added some strength as it were \.
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Pan away to show how much sprue was used.
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Sprues can be your friend!!
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of course is sprue your everlasting friend^^ i never throw a pice away! will be all later used^^

your plastic card seems to be rather much thinner than mine i have in stock...well this makes working with materials much easier...

will the doulbled thickness of sprueparts mark the width of the treads or will you go even thicker ? for now they might be a bit not wide enough... but for such speculation it is rather to early^^

so again got a design for the shoes? you know a baby needs shoes?

Exactly!

This stock is just the rioght thickness for what I have planned, there will be added plates and I am pondering how to do engine and air vents for the beasty.

As for the shoes, I have several concepts mulling inside my mind, so no telling what will happen next!

Ah, look at the support banding I went with, the thickness of the treads has been set!~
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Thicker than standard GW track width for sure.
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After the second section is done, i will stand a mini for scaling the project and the width of the treads.

yep! width looks decent... i have gone for a width of 2 cm to go for the shoes...this makes the shoes individually look as much as four times bigger than one of the leman russes...

as of now do you think the tracksystem is rather sturdy or rather fragile?

cant really tell for now...

and a scale pic will be very helpfull indeed!

Mine appear to be 16mm wide. Not too bad for not having planned it that way, just cut the strip to a width I felt okay with. Just a tad wider than a full Leman Russ side section, including both slabs of it's armor, so once I get done building up the things, they will likely be very thick indeed.

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Found a name for the tank, the Slavic Thor, aka Perun.

cool choice of name! i just googled the name and realized the marvel comic book line has a team of soviet supersoldiers which consists of perun and crymson dynamo and such colorful names... this could be a reroll of your tankbaptism^^ i think this bears some cool thughts as the russian myths would go well with your fluff and the names are seldom to be seen as names for GW tanks...

by the way:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perun_(comics)


look for the people protectorate^^

Yep, so we have the "Perun" T-400 Superheavy Tank

win^^ maybe a bit more red on this tank later on then i would think^^ also a hammer or a sickle would be fitting^^
or maybe a seflmade decal with perun staring^^




and the whole russian team:

Well, all my Super-heavies get the red and white stripes But yeah, some more red on this baby to add to it, and a hand painted Hammer symbol will be done, with lightning flashes.

"Perun" T-400 Superheavy Tank

or 'PT' Cruiser for short.

yeah^^ sound cool...as for sounds... just heard the washing machine...duh...so i am off for now... will see you in the evening/ morning matey^^

SebastionSynn wrote:

"Perun" T-400 Superheavy Tank

or 'PT' Cruiser for short.

Now your just being silly!

Now your just being silly!

sorry, it's been a long day on about 5 hrs of sleep, i may be a little punch drunk. and i think i'm gonna do the same as Vik, and call it a night also.

but before i do that, your PT boat, looks like it's gonna be a nice one.

SebastionSynn wrote:

Now your just being silly!

sorry, it's been a long day on about 5 hrs of sleep, i may be a little punch drunk. and i think i'm gonna do the same as Vik, and call it a night also.

but before i do that, your PT boat, looks like it's gonna be a nice one.

Thanks, I have the idea of the sponsons being the same basic design for all tanks so I will have the sponsons and turret patterns on the model as well as the others if i am able to make the other patterns. Inspired by the sponsons of the MKV thru MKVIII tanks.

you cant get far wrong when using classic looks! so all for the mark V look^^

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So, just got the second tread section together. Next will be the track sections or shoes. The same soldier that stood near the Malcador Char-1
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Both sections at last!
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cool! seems your work is rollin`

the scale looks like a heavy armor already...
i am really now looking forward to see your take on shoes and such things...

i keep my fingers crossed for more splendid scratchbuilt action^^

vik

It will likely be a combo of flats and roundels.

like the pic or link i posted earlier?

Sort of. More like the old fashioned landraider.

something like that?

Why yes, simiular to that section, I shaped flats shoes with the barrel outside, but all "flat" on the side attached to the tread segments.

well you know the drill...pics please^^

I must make the pieces in daylight, or under better light.
I will have more pics tomorrow.

ok, this will be something i look forward to most fondly^^

You will see it here first viewers of the loyal variety!

Although, I am going to use half rounds and a smaller I shape to add to the treads patterns.

Do you use treads like the one machinator has in his fellblades of renown thread?

Link: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/326420.page

Not quite the same, I will be making the treads more like what Vik posted above, round barrel attached between "I" shaped shoes.

Decided to NOT have the shoes grinding along the plates of the armor sides, so I put in some spacers first
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and here is another angle, bot section are done like this to space the treads off the sections.
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that's gonna mean a buttload of track pin rivet heads. have fun with that.

Well, I started with this to get the ball rolling
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And this as well.
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well this sure looks the part already! don´t really know why you did those stripes of plasticcard before but i guess: whatever it takes^^

seeing those shoes know i am eager to see the compartment and the turrets ...as i think the tracks are know almost selffinishing now^^

nice work mate!

vik