Why has no one magnified the one in the other corner?

Also... who wants to place bets that this will find its way into the next codex?

I actually don't think its that bad.

I like the model, but then again I sure love me some super robots. I mean, it's swinging a giant sword, that's awesome.
I'll name my trio Voltron, Megazord and Gigantor.

Can't wait for the Necron codex to come out with its own giant gribbly monstrous creature, the Necromancer, to have awesome battles.

I'm curious what the fluff explanation for these things will be. Were they invented for the GK or were they something found in some ancient vault... or what?

aka_mythos wrote:I'm curious what the fluff explanation for these things will be. Were they invented for the GK or were they something found in some ancient vault... or what?

GK: We like being laid to rest on Titan, not being entombed in a walking coffin for god knows how long until we go mad.
AdMech: Heh, sure, whatever. Here's a non-permanent Dread-sized solution.

And so was the Dreadknight born.

The Techmarine, would he be Artificer or Terminator armoured? Seeing as the rest of the army seems to be kind of that way as a possible build.

Vhalyar wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:I'm curious what the fluff explanation for these things will be. Were they invented for the GK or were they something found in some ancient vault... or what?

GK: We like being laid to rest on Titan, not being entombed in a walking coffin for god knows how long until we go mad.

Actually, Imperial Dreadnoughts don't go mad. They're cared for and maintained between battles. They very distinctly maintain their sanity, even in the face of the grievous wounds that necessitated them being dreadnoughted in the first place.

Which is also important. Because Dreadnoughts aren't "the dead stuffed into a machine".

It's the "Nearly dead, who impossibly managed to survive and want to keep serving" who control Dreads.

Yeah, I have to side with Kan on this. Marine Dreads can be a bit senile and forget things over the years, but they're far from the stark-raving lunatics that pilot the Chaos Dreads.

Guys, he was making a point that GK don't want to be put into dreadnoughts BECAUSE they may end up living and fighting daemons for thousands of years, a Grey Knight would much rather die peacefully and be put to rest on titan, where they know be safe from the shadows of the warp and have a peaceful afterlife or WHATEVER.

He didnt mean that they literally go mad, they just hate being dreadnoughts.

I doubt they hate being in Dreadnoughts either. Dreadnoughts are seen as heroic demi-Gods among the Marines. Why would the GK's be any different?

That's old fluff I think bud, most BL books I have read recently always seem to mention how the marines are terrified of the confinement and living death and never being able to see and touch with their own eyes and hands.

Very Vader'esque laments. That being said, I wouldn't like to be a chunk of meat suspended in goo stuck in a walking refrigerator for all time either lol.

MajorTom11 wrote:That's old fluff I think bud, most BL books I have read recently always seem to mention how the marines are terrified of the confinement and living death and never being able to see and touch with their own eyes and hands.

Very Vader'esque laments. That being said, I wouldn't like to be a chunk of meat suspended in goo stuck in a walking refrigerator for all time either lol.

Yeah

I'll be honest about the Dreadknight. If it is ass in the Codex, it looks like I still might be able to make an N-Scale Battlemech out of it.

Ah, well in that case, I've learnt from my own lesson - the fluff isn't sacred, it is arbitrary.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I doubt they hate being in Dreadnoughts either. Dreadnoughts are seen as heroic demi-Gods among the Marines. Why would the GK's be any different?

Because their greatest wish is a worthwhile death in battle so that they might have their bodies entombed beneath Titan.
Forge World also had an interesting piece of fluff about it, with a Grey Knight on the verge of death wracked with indecision about being put in a Dreadnought. Considering that the fluff has changed quite a bit with the GK now working with all three Ordos, I wouldn't be surprised if GW expanded on the Grey Knight's apprehension about not getting their eternal rest.

I thought Dreadnoughts tended to spend most of their time reliving past victories while not fighting.

Each GK is a mental fortress, chaos cannot touch them nor corrupt them. Going mad is pretty much not an option because of the horrors they have witnessed and not blinked.

Eldar: Smooth, curved, aerodynamic, beautiful. Everything a person could want in terms of visual appeal.

bhsman wrote:

Space Marines: The Emperor's holy box-planes fill the sky in droves, providing aerial support for the box-giants running rampant down below.
After the Stormraven, what did you expect?

For all those interested, this fugly picture did break my silence on this forum.

Is that the so-called dreadknight?

Yes. It transforms into a Land Raider.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Yes. It transforms into a Land Raider.

Where does the sword go?

It looks like the bastard child of Megatron (The Bay Version) and and a Grey Knight.

The reason Grey Knights cannot be turned to Chaos is because there is simply nothing too corrupt.

The GK undergo extreme mind scrubbing and psychotherapy to ensure that there is nothing in their minds except prayers to the Emperor, curses against the Daemon, and litanies of hate against the enemies of man.

... Ben Counter's books to the contrary...

Which is why the loss of Fearless, or at least stubborn, makes ZERO sense.

What on earth are you guys complaining about? That Dreadknight looks awesome!

If I was a Grey Knight, and I heard about Sanguinor breaking a DaemonPrince (or whatever he killed) over his knee, I would order my techmarines to make me armor that would allow me to do that too. Then, to prove Grey Knights are the greatest Daemon killers, I would have them make me a sword that can cut one in twain with a single blow.

Also, this is far closer to Robotjox than the new transformers. Although I don't think anyone would complain if you played 'You've got the touch' as they strode into battle.

Well, the 12 pixels representing the Termies look like they'll be good.

The Dreadknight...I'll wait until I see a legit image. But it ain't looking good from the blurry shot.

Considering we are looking at a highly elite army, with small units that cost a feth load of points correct???

How many points is in the picture, like 3000???

Looks rather sweet though.

I would like a more clear pic of the GKDK before I can pass rightious judgement upon it.


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Gitzbitah wrote:Also, this is far closer to Robotjox than the new transformers. Although I don't think anyone would complain if you played 'You've got the touch' as they strode into battle.

You get an infinite amount of cookies and my respect for knowing about Robot Jox.

But I must say, I can see a ton of players getting ready their Mechrite Red and Regal Blue to paint their GKDK's.

Gitzbitah wrote:What on earth are you guys complaining about? That Dreadknight looks awesome!

If I was a Grey Knight, and I heard about Sanguinor breaking a DaemonPrince (or whatever he killed) over his knee, I would order my techmarines to make me armor that would allow me to do that too. Then, to prove Grey Knights are the greatest Daemon killers, I would have them make me a sword that can cut one in twain with a single blow.

Also, this is far closer to Robotjox than the new transformers. Although I don't think anyone would complain if you played 'You've got the touch' as they strode into battle.

My main problem is the size. I don't like how there's this mentality that "bigger is better". Especially with space marines, where all the components are meant to look like they've been specially pixelated, just for you, how big can you go before it gets stupid? That's one of the hugest difficulties with the stormraven: the larger they make their cubic models, the uglier they get. Yes, the stormraven has some lovely detail, its an interesting concept, and the scultping is well done. I bet the dreadknight will be the same. But isn't there a better way, one that doesn't involve such rigid adherence to flat-paneled, curveless geometry? LEGO has been around for a long time.

I understand that the boxiness is something very distinctive to the Imperium, and the space marines especially. I just think that it could have been done in a more subtle way with the storm raven, and also from what I can see of the dreadknight.

5 dreadknights can combine to form voltron.. I know a guy who heard a rumor from GW

Kirasu wrote:5 dreadknights can combine to form voltron.. I know a guy who heard a rumor from GW

O rly?

Im happy to see the pics!


That dreadknight looks ace.

Im actually happy it is MC size and not a mephiston wannabe

Well, you know when I said I'm not jumping onto the band wagon with this army...

I take it back, those models have completely won me over.

I'm trying to enhance the pic above with Photoshop, but I'm having uber amounts of difficulty with it.

It's true - One cannot simply CSI their way into the 41st Millenium.

One does not simply CSI their way into image enhancement!

First time someone challenges their Dreadknight with a Greater Daemon (or a Deff Dread, Wraithlord, etc.), the GK player must say "One shall stand. One shall fall."

And, if the Dreadknight wins, it must either say "I thought you were make of sterner stuff" or "I stand. You fall.". If the Dreadknight loses, the opposing player can say "Such heroic nonsense!" in whatever accent is appropriate for the army they are playing.

And have a Guardsman running away saying "No no no no no no!"?

Nightwatch wrote:
I understand that the boxiness is something very distinctive to the Imperium, and the space marines especially. I just think that it could have been done in a more subtle way with the storm raven, and also from what I can see of the dreadknight.

It just makes me weep that we could have had this:



or this



Both of which are boxy as heck.

But we got this



Superion ain't looking much better.

I will get two. The first one, thanks to Kyoto, will be named Superion. What should the other one be called? Voltron? Optimus? Defensor?

Clearly it should be named Ultraknight.

And be painted red with a grey "T" running down the middle.

I was going to suggest 'Leader One', but that might be far too obscure for some people.


How about Menasor? Menasor and Superion. That matches pretty well.

How about Menasor after Superion's arch rival?



I'm just worried that old Pagodatron and Cathedralsaurus Rex will be too small to pass as Dread Knights.

Kudos for the Gobot reference HBMC.

I'm gonna go with Unicron. Maybe even Alpha Trion and Omega Supreme.

I have to say as a major Transformers fanatic, I'm loving all the references - keep 'em coming.

Myself I'd go with Big O

Honestly, the Dreadknight gets a big "meh" from me. If in metal, definite no-go; if in plastic, might make good conversion fodder. That pose is just far, far too static for my tastes, and the operator looks silly.

I take it you dont know the fluff behind this new model, I can't go too much into detail but basically it allows a few Grey Knights who survive the mental strain these machines put on their minds to fight Greater Daemon on a 1vs1 basis.

That might be the weakness that allows this thing to be at only 130 points.
Maybe it looses or risks loosing wounds every turn?

Each GK is a mental fortress, chaos cannot touch them nor corrupt them. Going mad is pretty much not an option because of the horrors they have witnessed and not blinked.

Right, with Ld8 and no fearless they hardly reek of having witnessed the worst things possible without blinking.

Space Marines: The Emperor's holy box-planes fill the sky in droves, providing aerial support for the box-giants running rampant down below.
After the Stormraven, what did you expect?

Lots and lots of RIVETS!!!!

Pyriel- wrote:

Each GK is a mental fortress, chaos cannot touch them nor corrupt them. Going mad is pretty much not an option because of the horrors they have witnessed and not blinked.

Right, with Ld8 and no fearless they hardly reek of having witnessed the worst things possible without blinking.

I was speaking from a fluff perspective purely and referring to how a GK could easily weather being entombed in a dreadnought, none of this pansy 'let me die' crap (though apparently GW thought it neccessary to revise that...). I too am disappointed at losing fearless. However there has been no talk of them removing an inquisitor's Iron Will

sweet i need three

You know, the Stormraven looks like it might almost be acceptable in silver....

Think I'll finish my concept one anyway, and still keep my eye out for a Caestus from FW.


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niallkissick wrote:Got more of a Megatron look to him rather than Optimus!!!

And Megatron is the right color.

Not sure if I like this thing. It's definitely going tohave cool, cool bitz though.

Hmmmm...Revoltech Patlabor + sombeody's leftover DreadKnight bitz...hmmmm


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I find it highly amusing that people hate this thing when they can't even really see it yet. Seriously, it has the potential to be mind-blowingly cool when not in mafia-informant-vision.

OK, so it's big, and it has crazy shoulder hydraulics. You don't like those? The thing is going to be plastic. Chop them off. Glue or magnet the other two guns on as shoulder mounts like aTau broadside suit. Someone whines it's not WYSIWYG? Tell them that your fist is WYSIWYG, would they like to examine it in detail?

Relax. The core of this thing is going to look 1000 cooler than a penitent engine, and the rest is sweet, sweet kit-bashing to taste.

Might of Titan is used at the beginning of the assault phase, so no bonuses to shooting for those who were wondering.

Can anyone just confirm. I'm looking at the image and the termies in the front, on the left, look like they have shields. Does anyone else see that?

VoidAngel wrote:I find it highly amusing that people hate this thing when they can't even really see it yet.

We can see the shape of it. The long-legged, small-torso humanoid form does not fit with the usual Space Marine aesthetic. That's more of an Eldar or Slaanesh thing.

AlexHolker wrote:

VoidAngel wrote:I find it highly amusing that people hate this thing when they can't even really see it yet.

We can see the shape of it. The long-legged, small-torso humanoid form does not fit with the usual Space Marine aesthetic. That's more of an Eldar or Slaanesh thing.

Possibly, possibly. But wait until you see it. With the details in view, those proportions may not seem so distorted. Perhaps it's thick enough, or 'clunky' enough that it doesn't actually look as 'anime' in high-rez as it seem in BlurryVision(tm). I'm going to bet right now, that half of you change your tune when you can see it.

Anyone know anything about the plastic GKT's themselves? Will the metal and plastic ones be noticeably distinguishable aside from poses if used together?

I don't like it holding a sword, but converting it into a wrist mounted katar, like Optimus Prime from the Transformer movies, would be sweet I reckon!

Way ahead of you there Grimz.

Two, wrist mounted, one in each arm.

I think a TF marathon is in order this weekend.

I can't say those photos look particularly promising. Form what little can be seen it seems rather skinny, it doesn't fit any kind of space marine asethetic I know of. It looks a very stiff model, not at all dynamic, and yes it does look like a transformer, that was my first impression anyway. But that's probably got a lot to do with the colour scheme, it's very patchy with silvers, whites, reds and blacks.

I don't collect Grey Knights so won't be buying this model, but just looking at these pics it could be this year's Razorgor.

I thought the Chibi-Hawk was this year's Pumbagore?

I guess when GW sees a great idea, they take it and TM it.

I am not a big fan of the "extended leg" dreadnoughts that you see from time to time.

...no. No. The stormraven I was okay with, I didn't really know what to think of it at first but the more I see it the more I like it. Not exactly what I would have done if I had any say in it, but I don't "hate" the model like some people apparently do.

But this? No. Nooo. Nooo. What the feth are you DOING?

Not a fan of the Dreadknight. Just... no... Is this GW's lame attempt to cash in on those gakky Transformers movies?

Not a fan of the Dreadknight. Just... no... Is this GW's lame attempt to cash in on those gakky Transformers movies?

Well, GW has failed every single time they've tried to make a good looking mech and in that sense they didn't surprise anyone by failing yet again. The Dreadknight model looks horrible. I'm not sure why people call it particularly static though, because it's clear that the two Dreadknights in the army picture are the same model. GW pretty much paints one of everything these days and the photoshop guy does the rest.

Wow... I expected something completely different...

Actually, I wished the Dread Knight to be like the old metal Deamon Prince.... Terminator-armor with extended arms and legs due to warp-influence.

Therion wrote:

Not a fan of the Dreadknight. Just... no... Is this GW's lame attempt to cash in on those gakky Transformers movies?

Well, GW has failed every single time they've tried to make a good looking mech and in that sense they didn't surprise anyone by failing yet again. The Dreadknight model looks horrible. I'm not sure why people call it particularly static though, because it's clear that the two Dreadknights in the army picture are the same model. GW pretty much paints one of everything these days and the photoshop guy does the rest.

The Dreadnought doesn't look too bad. Completely stupid from an engineering point of view, but there's something about that stupid design that just works.

This thing though... not so much. I was hoping it'd look more like a Penitent Engine.

Therion wrote:I'm not sure why people call it particularly static though...

I thought that because the pose is very stiff and static looking. Not an animated pose, it's just standing there with straight arms and legs, perhaps the model looks different from the side.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I was going to suggest 'Leader One', but that might be far too obscure for some people.


How about Menasor? Menasor and Superion. That matches pretty well.

WIN.

Fafnir wrote:Not a fan of the Dreadknight. Just... no... Is this GW's lame attempt to cash in on those gakky Transformers movies?

Sorry for going off topic...

Only the second one was Gak.

The first one was awesome and the third one looks

Back on topic...

Yes I do agree with you on the cashing in slightly, but TBF, is that a bad thing???

This is marketed towards the kids and most kids love Transformers in one way or another. For me it's the 1980's nostalgia and the fact I'm a Michael Bay fan, for the kids - "wow it looks like Prime, Mommy, can I have that???"

GWs on a winner there IMO.

Yes the pic is blurry, but from what I can see it ain't looking that bad. For once I might buy an army just for the models and fluff rather than the rules and fluff.

This Dreadknight thing just isn't my cup of tea, bit I don't blame GW for trying something else. I will be interested in the fluff behind it, though.

But the Emperor knows I will get plenty of the Terminators in the front of that blurry picture. I have a feeling they look pretty awesome in detail and I can use them to diversify my GK army and for some conversions of my Red Hunters. I can't wait for April and some more detailed pictures ...

Fafnir wrote:Not a fan of the Dreadknight. Just... no... Is this GW's lame attempt to cash in on those gakky Transformers movies?

I like some of the character designs (and resultant toys) for the Bayformers, but I still feel the Dreadknight has no place in a Space Marine army. The fluff doesn't suit them, the machine-as-Monstrous Creature statline doesn't suit them, and the proportions of the miniature doesn't suit them.

And whoever came up with the name "psilencer" should be taken out the back and whipped.

Puscifer wrote:It looks like the bastard child of Megatron (The Bay Version) and and a Grey Knight.

+







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I dunno, I kinda like it. Its growing on me. However, that is probably because I am imagining what it would be like to drive that thing. THAT would be awesome.
Also, I don't think the pose is great either. If it is anything like the sentinel, some great poses could be made to hide the awkward long legs.

Yup.

WIN!!!

I have only three wishes for this army...

1) please let Dreadimus Prime (TM ) be plastic as I have sooooo many pose conversion ideas planned its crazy.
2) please don't let this army be too elite to the point of the last Daemonhunters Codex - it sucked.
3) MOAR PICTURES!!! Non blurry please. Not saying I'm ungrateful for the ones we have.

Puscifer wrote:3) MOAR PICTURES!!! Non blurry please. Not saying I'm ungrateful for the ones we have.

And without a great big watermark making a bad photo worse.

Maybe part of the reason the dreadknight looks so odd is it's proportions are radically different from the proportions GW has established as "human" for their scale. Normally, figures' heads, hands, shoulders, and pects are huge, while their limbs are quite short compared to their width. Now GW have given us a humanoid robot that's exaggerated the opposite direction, and it just doesn't seem to fit.

That said, I'm not going to judge the model on that blurry of a picture, but I'm not seeing how anything could have a torso that blocky and still come out good. And while I wouldn't mind the old rogue trader knights making an appearance in 40K scale (makes more sense than titans IMHO), I shudder to think what will come if this design aesthetic gets carried on when they get around to redoing Tau.

Heh, good ole Katie.

As to the figures, yeah hard to see, the tall fella looks interesting.

Not one hundred percent I'd be interested in Grey Knights now after getting Eldar, but I might pick up a squad of Termies to paint, use in Space Hulk.

Im sure once we find out that its a plastic model and a better picture we might have a better opinion of it. I know such optimisim is unlikely in this community lol but heres hoping.

If plastic, I imagine the posiving possibilities will be numerous. Look at the wraithlord, (it does look better) but it has a static pose on the box but just look at this site or gw's and you can see the numerous possibilities for posing.

Puscifer wrote: and the fact I'm a Michael Bay fan

You lost me right around here.

I'm all out of hyberbole today - I shall await patiently for pictures not taken by someone in the middle of a typhoon, while fitting to the flashing lights.

Fafnir wrote:

Puscifer wrote: and the fact I'm a Michael Bay fan

You lost me right around here.

Your just jealous as your life isn't one explosion after another - Joke

I'm not going to deny that his filming style is questionable and his films seem to be one explosion after another, but the guy has made some of my favourite films and considering how much money his films throw into the film industry (in which I work in and love), I can't see what he does wrong.

I don't consider myself to have a bad taste in movies, I can fully appriciate the classics (Apocalypse Now, Godfather, Seven Samurai, The Dark Knight, Ben-Hur, Se7en, The Great Escape, Akira, Ghost In The Shell), but for escapism I go to Bay. He just makes films I enjoy.

Sorry for going off topic there, normal transmission will now continue...

How big would you guys say DK is, 7"??? Just trying to get the scale right for my conversion.

Im thinking 5' or 6'

Seriously, the picture is blurry as ****, but the general shape of that walker is terrible. It'll probably have cool details and could make a great base for AdMech conversions and stuff, but out of the box it just doesn't fit the 40k aesthetic.

Kurgash wrote:It's a freaking transformer....

My first thought as well.

TBF, neither do 8ft tall Superhumans riding very large Wolves.

It's the 41st Milennium... there is going to be far superior technology somewhere in the Imperium. Why can't there be large constructs that are piloted by Marines???

Look at Titans...

The GKDK is the same concept, just on a much smaller scale.

Also, IIRC, in the Horus Heresy novel "Mechanicum" wasn't there a force of "small" titan machines with pilots? I might be massively wide of the mark but it just rang a few bells.

Oh - Model doesn't look terrible from a terrible picture but I will reserve judgement for a high quality pic!

Nightwatch wrote: But isn't there a better way, one that doesn't involve such rigid adherence to flat-paneled, curveless geometry? LEGO has been around for a long time.

I understand that the boxiness is something very distinctive to the Imperium, and the space marines especially. I just think that it could have been done in a more subtle way with the storm raven, and also from what I can see of the dreadknight.

Thats what im saying. I was hoping for something like Iron Man's Hulkbuster suit, but with some GW/GK/SM styling to it. Large, bulky, and tough looking, but with some decent style and shape.

That thing looks like a Chinese knockoff of a transformer.


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ph34r wrote:I am not a big fan of the "extended leg" dreadnoughts that you see from time to time.

I go the other way. Though the ones posted are a bit tall, I prefer them to the stunty leg no balance slow machines GW gives us. The GW dreads would have terribly poor mobility even on flat smooth paved surfaces. They would fall over and be stuck with even the slightest roughness of terrain.

That and the short kegs just look dumb.

niallkissick wrote:

It looks like the bastard child of Megatron (The Bay Version) and and a Grey Knight.

First anyone complaining at this point is ridiculous unless they do so with the caveat that you understand you need to wait and see a better picture. Its easy to bash something you've only seen a silhouette of.

For me it looks a bit like Iron Monger here, with just a bit more of the pilots legs showing and leg armor reminiscent of the dreadnought.


Every exo-suit from the Matrix, Iron Man, Aliens, and Avatar have had these rough proportions. The details, anyone claiming to be able to discern them is lying. At least wait till we have clearer pictures. I'm all for bashing GW when they deserve it, but they haven't shown us enough yet. HBMC, this is where you should insert your "Tirade: GW Marketing WTF?, NO.315." That's fair. Complaining of fuzzy details isn't.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

I knew the top looked a little unappealing... this picture makes it that much clearer, why.

Thats wasn't me complaining Mythos, it was a compliment - I actually like it.

So is this the grey knight within the grey knight Xzibit was talking about?



Yo dawg, we heard you like grey knights in your grey knights so we put a grey knight in yo’ grey knight so you can walk while you walk.

Sorry it wasn't directed specifically at you. Though in all honesty comparing anything to a Mike Bay movie... generally insulting.

aka_mythos wrote:Sorry it wasn't directed specifically at you. Though in all honest comparing anything to a Mike Bay movie... generally insulting.

I reiterate that Michael Bay haters are only jealous because they don't have enough explosions in their lives.

After seeing that pic with the pilot highlighted, it's thrown out all the plans I had for a conversion.

Besides it looks more like the mechs from Avatar after that pic too.

Aka_Mythos--the biggest problem I think is simply the fact that it is an exo-suit.

Detail shots aren't going to change the fact that it's a radical, polarizing idea that is just so far beyond the norm for Imperial forces that it feels absurd just looking at it.

Puscifer wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:Sorry it wasn't directed specifically at you. Though in all honest comparing anything to a Mike Bay movie... generally insulting.

I reiterate that Michael Bay haters are only jealous because they don't have enough explosions in their lives.

After seeing that pic with the pilot highlighted, it's thrown out all the plans I had for a conversion.

Besides it looks more like the mechs from Avatar after that pic too.

Not me, I think I can still fit an ork in the pilot's place. Bwah Ha ha! Wheels on the Stormraven as well!

Vhalyar wrote:It's definitely bigger than a Dreadnought, let alone a Terminator. Brass Scorpion wins this round

Thanks, dude!

I'll hold my opinion of whether I like the model or not till I see a better photo. At the very least, it looks like it might be good conversion material for some Apocalypse stuff, like a Subjugator maybe.

Lord Scythican wrote:

Seriously, WTF, when did Grey Knights get XV-9s!

Nightwatch wrote:
My main problem is the size. I don't like how there's this mentality that "bigger is better". Especially with space marines, where all the components are meant to look like they've been specially pixelated, just for you, how big can you go before it gets stupid? That's one of the hugest difficulties with the stormraven: the larger they make their cubic models, the uglier they get. Yes, the stormraven has some lovely detail, its an interesting concept, and the scultping is well done. I bet the dreadknight will be the same. But isn't there a better way, one that doesn't involve such rigid adherence to flat-paneled, curveless geometry? LEGO has been around for a long time.

In GW's defense, this is 40k, where there are humanoid mecha walkers that carry large units of infantry in their feet. And aren't there supposed tob e even bigger titans on the moon that are meant to take on approaching starships or something?

The size doesn't bother me except in the 'tabletop utility' stance. It would, if looked at objectively, have all the usual flaws of a walker mecha (high profile, complex joints as compared to a tank, recoil issues, ground pressure issues) but 40k is a setting where 'rule of cool' really does mean something, so I don't feel it's fair to nitpick.

The stormbird is just a very ugly design, but it does look 'right' next to the Imperial armor and the Thunderhawk.

Puscifer wrote:
I reiterate that Michael Bay haters are only jealous because they don't have enough explosions in their lives.

Speak for yourself... I have atleast 10 explosions everyday before breakfast. Its what happens when you design that stuff for Uncle Sam.

Kanluwen wrote:Aka_Mythos--the biggest problem I think is simply the fact that it is an exo-suit.

Detail shots aren't going to change the fact that it's a radical, polarizing idea that is just so far beyond the norm for Imperial forces that it feels absurd just looking at it.

I think that's reasonable. This is why I was wondering the fluff justification for this machine coming into existence. Before this the fluff and model implication was that this sort of interface wasn't possible, except at the scale of the Titan Legions' Knights.... which would be double the size. Its existence raises many questions... Dreadnoughts are great, but this is inherently less sophisticated and would be more widely desired by Marines who I'm sure would love to have more Dreadnought level capabilities, without waiting for a battle brother to only half-die or an occupancy to open up.

Now in all fairness, even if 40k tech followed the same logic as modern technology I don't believe this tech is outside the capabilities of reach of the Imperium. Dreadnoughts and sentinels show that they have the ability to make the stabilizers and servos to make a walker as this size work. The fact that space marines have the black carapace that allows them to interface with power armor shows that they should be able to interface in the same way with something larger.

What it boils down to is that its out of place because it really should be a more commonplace piece of tech than it is. This indiscrepancy is one GW should address but it really doesn't preclude the Dreadknights existence.

gr1m_dan wrote:Also, IIRC, in the Horus Heresy novel "Mechanicum" wasn't there a force of "small" titan machines with pilots? I might be massively wide of the mark but it just rang a few bells.

I think the smaller 'Knights' as seen in Mechanicum have been around in canon for a while. They might have even been playable in Epic. Smaller, one-man mechs. I thought I remembered them being described as having a rough shape more like the existing Warhound (I.E. a elongated, short 'body' instead of a longer humanoid body) but that may have been trying to apply the known style of the setting to something less well described.

Overall, this isn't a bad looking design (from what I can see of this blurry pic) although it looks a bit static and just doesn't fit in the Imperial design school to me.

I hate the Dredknight for a Regular army,like said looks too Transformery
More something they should of used for a Tau superheavy rather than Imperial.
Needs moar Skulls.

That being said though it would make a great starting point for a Knight Titan

Kinda looks like a big penitent engine.

This is the first model that has actually made me think that this Codex could be worth picking up.
I don't mind its shape, reminds me of the power walker from Aliens, which was awesome.

Maybe GKs would be worth it after all.

Guys, Guys I've got a great idea

what if

what if we take a grey knight, right

and put him in an exo suit, ok

but, and here's the kicker, we don't give him any extra protection at the front

What's the worst that could happen?

That does beg the question, "What is the Dreadknight's front armour?"

This does make me think about the imperium and how they have stopped progression a long time ago. Supposedly they have lost a lot of the old knowledge because of the never ending wars. I wonder if the stormraven and dreadknight are signs of the imperium moving forward with tech again?

Or are these vehicles that are being reconned into the old history?

Lord Scythican wrote:That does beg the question, "What is the Dreadknight's front armour?"

It's a MC, doesn't have a AV value, it's T7, S7, 2+/4++

synack wrote:
It's a MC, doesn't have a AV value, it's T7, S7, 2+/4++

And had better be more expensive, pointswise, than a fully loaded hive tyrant.

Based on that, when they finally release a Tau codex, all my battlesuits better be similar because they're actually fully enclosed and look tougher.

FM Ninja 048 wrote:Guys, Guys I've got a great idea

what if

what if we take a grey knight, right

and put him in an exo suit, ok

but, and here's the kicker, we don't give him any extra protection at the front

What's the worst that could happen?

To be fair he is still a GK in Power Armour at least.
Not like having a soft squishy Guardsman piloting it.
Does a Space marine or Terminator really need more protection?

alphaomega wrote:This is the first model that has actually made me think that this Codex could be worth picking up.
I don't mind its shape, reminds me of the power walker from Aliens, which was awesome.

Maybe GKs would be worth it after all.

If none of the "rules" rumors in this thread haven't sold you on GKs, and all it took was the "pretty model" to sell you on GKs, then you are GWs best friend (and most competitve tourny players prey)

This model looks "meh" all things considered, but at least its not as ugly as the Stormraven (blech!)

The rules for GKs however, both terrify and amaze me, they will be a VERY strong opponent for my DE, an interesting match up for my Space wolves, and cannon fodder for my CSMs (ironically...)! The sheer amount of Psychic might these guys bring to the table makes Njal look like Ron Weasley (and Eldrad . Sure, they're very limited in their Anti-Vehicle selectoins, but something tells me that a s7 MC won't have too hard a time ripping open even the toughest of vehicles, but I do find it VERY interesting that the GKs don't seem to have ANY answer to the necron Monolith (or any of the C'Tan all things considered...) making them one of the strangest 5th edition codexes in existnace...

"We can kill just aobut ANY other army out there, but we is scared of NECRONS" -GKGM Codexius Creepus

but then again, based on the current trend, I'm sure they will make an FAQ sometime in June/July that says GKs ignore "Living Metal"(monolith) and "Psychic Abomination"(pariahs) to fix this issue.

Either way, bring on the GKs!

~DAR

Does a Space marine or Terminator really need more protection?

Considering how fast Terminators can go away when targeted by things like twin-linked plasma gun fire from Obliterators, yes, they probably do need more protection. Remember, Terminator armor was designed originally both game-wise and lore-wise to give a modicum of protection in close quarter fighting aboard Space Hulks and such from foes using teeth and claws. On open battlefields it does not offer that same level of protection.

P.S. I love wiping out Terminators at close range with Obliterators. One can imagine the smell of the melting armor as the models are removed from the table.

Interesting pictures, looking forward to more detailed ones for sure.

Need to start painting my landraider's silver again it looks like...

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

alphaomega wrote:This is the first model that has actually made me think that this Codex could be worth picking up.
I don't mind its shape, reminds me of the power walker from Aliens, which was awesome.

Maybe GKs would be worth it after all.

If none of the "rules" rumors in this thread haven't sold you on GKs, and all it took was the "pretty model" to sell you on GKs, then you are GWs best friend (and most competitve tourny players prey)

I am not a competitive player. I tend to play more social games and tend to avoid Tournaments and the such. Narrative and campaigns are my thing if I am honest.
I do like painting and modelling more mind. And already having a decent amount of GKs something bigger that isn't a resin dreadnought is much appreciated in my books.

aka_mythos wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Aka_Mythos--the biggest problem I think is simply the fact that it is an exo-suit.

Detail shots aren't going to change the fact that it's a radical, polarizing idea that is just so far beyond the norm for Imperial forces that it feels absurd just looking at it.

I think that's reasonable. This is why I was wondering the fluff justification for this machine coming into existence. Before this the fluff and model implication was that this sort of interface wasn't possible, except at the scale of the Titan Legions' Knights.... which would be double the size. Its existence raises many questions... Dreadnoughts are great, but this is inherently less sophisticated and would be more widely desired by Marines who I'm sure would love to have more Dreadnought level capabilities, without waiting for a battle brother to only half-die or an occupancy to open up.

I really think they should have gone a completely different way with this "Dreadknight". We've got Psykers. We've got MIUs in the fluff, what with the fact that they're how Titans are operated by thought processes(NOT a pilot pressing buttons for the most part).

Now, imagine...a Grey Knight Grandmaster striding onto the field accompanied by a bodyguard of Dreadknights that he's doing nothing more than controlling with his mind.
It's far more interesting than "Dave, climb into the exosuit!" in my eyes.

Now in all fairness, even if 40k tech followed the same logic as modern technology I don't believe this tech is outside the capabilities of reach of the Imperium. Dreadnoughts and sentinels show that they have the ability to make the stabilizers and servos to make a walker as this size work. The fact that space marines have the black carapace that allows them to interface with power armor shows that they should be able to interface in the same way with something larger.

Maybe, but I reiterate that there's actually something 'different' in how the Black Carapace and the MIUs work. The Black Carapace doesn't so much 'interface' them with the power armour but it allows their power armour function as a second skin rather than an exosuit, like the Sisters of Battle or Inquisitors wearing Power Armour have.

What it boils down to is that its out of place because it really should be a more commonplace piece of tech than it is. This indiscrepancy is one GW should address but it really doesn't preclude the Dreadknights existence.

What bugs me the most about it is that it seems like it's too....Orky of a concept.
"Okay, we have these exosuits we use for <loading armament or some other generic usage>(which is what the thing looks like to me, at least). Let's load them up with guns, strap a Grey Knight in and call it a day!"

I'd be far more accepting of it, I think, if it was actually heavily armoured and the weapons didn't for the most part look like an afterthought.

finally I can make dreadnoughts that don't look like waddling toasters, thanks GW for the conversion fodder.

As long as I can use DreadNOUGHTS... I'll be happy. Not the coolest model, but whatever, it's not Pumbagor ugly...

I'm more interested in the PAGK box... and I'm crossing my fingers that it won't cost an arm and a leg...

finally I can make dreadnoughts that don't look like waddling toasters, thanks GW for the conversion fodder.

You're right. This model will become the platform for all future Dreadnought builds. I'm sure the Dreadknight will look good too as long as you fully enclose the torso and make it look more mech-like. Of course it won't look like it belongs in a Space Marine army then, but it will look awesome.

Lord Scythican wrote:That does beg the question, "What is the Dreadknight's front armour?"

This does make me think about the imperium and how they have stopped progression a long time ago. Supposedly they have lost a lot of the old knowledge because of the never ending wars. I wonder if the stormraven and dreadknight are signs of the imperium moving forward with tech again?

Or are these vehicles that are being reconned into the old history?

I think the Stormraven is basically supposed to be a slightly lower-tech version of the Thunderhawk and Stormbird (A big craft seen in a lot of Heresy-era art and fiction). They 'existed' for quite a while before getting a tabletop incarnation, and I don't find that in and of itself bad. It's not weird (to me) when a unit that was mentioned or at least logically existed gets tweaked to have an in-game representation. We can assume that Imperial Guard forces have mess sections to provide food for the troops, even if they don't have a tabletop appearance. However, if there was a table-top addition of a Cadian Chow Wagon (The Flamer is loaded with salsa!) it wouldn't be too awkward, as that's an element that both logically exists (albeit off-camera) and the fact that it hasn't shown up before now isn't too big a deal.

On the other hand, stuff that sticks out by it's conspicuous absence before now and is portrayed as having always been there is annoying and causes problems. The Thunderwolf Cavalry, for example, which seems like something that someone would've mentioned in the 10,000+ years the Space Wolves have been around. Unless the fluff mentions that they're new, it's a bit jarring that this cool (well, somewhat cool, I guess. Maybe.) unit was never seen until just recently. The Dreadknight is much the same, with the added twist that people would probably be fine if it was a Knight-class Titan (or variant thereof) instead of a weird add-on for Space Marine armor.

This is, of course, entirely subjective.

I have to admit that Grey Knights will probably join my Dantewing on the shelf of "looks awesome but doesn't win" that I take to friendly games, but not tournaments. The dreadknight is amazing to me just in concept. As a giant robot fan, I'll probably get at least three, and paint them all in custom colors from various giant robot shows.

Meh. I'll echo everyone else and say that it looks like a transformer.

I don't know what they were thinking, really. It doesn't match the general aesthetic of the...entire game, I suppose. Long legs just aren't something you see very often (inb4 sentinels hurr), and I can't really get used to it.

The rest of the grey knights look cool, although as a chaos player, I find them disgusting Too bright and 'epic' looking.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Meh. I'll echo everyone else and say that it looks like a transformer.

I don't know what they were thinking, really. It doesn't match the general aesthetic of the...entire game, I suppose. Long legs just aren't something you see very often (inb4 sentinels hurr), and I can't really get used to it.

The rest of the grey knights look cool, although as a chaos player, I find them disgusting Too bright and 'epic' looking.

People said the same for the Tau when they came out. I suppose we will get use to it. Personally I think it is nice to see GW breathing life into this army. The huge walker will definitely give Grey Knights their own unique feel. Wont be just another “Marines with different rules and different paintjobs” codex.

That's true. They have the stormraven as well, which makes them a rather unique army. It's hard to even call them a marine army. They're getting dangerously close to chaos (defiler=dreadknight)

But will the stormraven be able to carry it? I hope not.

Relax, everyone. If it makes you feel better, the Dreadknight kit comes with a tiny Megan Fox model.

Samus_aran115 wrote:That's true. They have the stormraven as well, which makes them a rather unique army. It's hard to even call them a marine army. They're getting dangerously close to chaos (defiler=dreadknight)

I completely forgot about that. This will also mix up the whole Space Marine Codex - Xeno codex - space marine codex thing, since the Grey Knights are distancing themselves design wise from the SM.

@agnosto: I think it would be cool, but it would need to "transform" into a smaller object for transportation.

Cryonicleech wrote:I'm more interested in the PAGK box... and I'm crossing my fingers that it won't cost an arm and a leg...

You gonne buy these from Wallmart somehow?

Father Gabe wrote:I guess when GW sees a great idea, they take it and TM it.

Only if you are into your dreads looking like they are doing the 3 year old "Pee Pee dance".

Breotan wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:I'm more interested in the PAGK box... and I'm crossing my fingers that it won't cost an arm and a leg...

You gonne buy these from Wallmart somehow?

It wiill probably be at least as much as the Space Marine Terminators. $10.00 a mini seems to be the going rate.

Pyronick wrote:Only if you are into your dreads looking like they are doing the 3 year old "Pee Pee dance".

In the Dread's defense, they have been holding it for a long time.

Lord Scythican wrote:
People said the same for the Tau when they came out. I suppose we will get use to it. Personally I think it is nice to see GW breathing life into this army. The huge walker will definitely give Grey Knights their own unique feel. Wont be just another “Marines with different rules and different paintjobs” codex.

Tau can get away with a lot because they're a different race with a different history. Grey Knights are part of the Imperium, which has several established themes that most armies break slightly for their own special 'schtick.'

Lord Scythican wrote:People said the same for the Tau when they came out.

The difference is that a new species that has not had much to do with the Imperium should look different. The Grey Knights don't have that excuse.

AlexHolker wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:People said the same for the Tau when they came out.

The difference is that a new species that has not had much to do with the Imperium should look different. The Grey Knights don't have that excuse.

It looks a lot like the Penitent Engine, but better. That's good enough of an excuse for me. Besides those legs look way better (even blurry). I hate the stubs on the normal dreads. Heck they had to mod them so the dreads could go up a hill in Dawn of War.

that thing is the size of a trygon...but looks like:

aegis armour is kinda armoured power armour, GK terminator armour is kinda armoured aegis armour, and this thing is kinda armoured terminator armour...so this is armoured armoured armoured armour?

Its a loyalist DP, at least that's what it seems like. That or a Imperial wraithlord.

Interesting way they are slanting GKs away from vanilla marines. LRs, Stormravens, and DPs to go with ridiculously powerful infantry.

I just remebered that eldar have long legged stuff too! I wonder how tall this thing is compared to a wraithlord

The scenery piece of the big marine (honoured imperium or something) would make a nice proxy for this thing

I will stick, with the forgeworld dred.

I agree with Kan that the dreadknight would have been much cooler as a psychically animated thing, although I think it would be just as cool if it were something along the lines of a psychically animated exo-suit. I feel like that would address some of the fluffy "why doesn't every marine chapter have these?" issues.

I retched a bit when I saw the models, purely because of the proportions/silhouettes. It's growing on me now though, and I think it could look okay if posed a lot more dynamically. Bulk it up with some plasticard armor plating, and I think I could get something I'm happy with out of it. The bulk being the important part here. As is, it seems way too skinny.

I want to see an actual model,this can be posed very dynamically, as Zefig said. I wish it were a bit bulkier, but whatever.

shrike wrote:
aegis armour is kinda armoured power armour, GK terminator armour is kinda armoured aegis armour, and this thing is kinda armoured terminator armour...so this is armoured armoured armoured armour?

Lord Scythican wrote:

shrike wrote:
aegis armour is kinda armoured power armour, GK terminator armour is kinda armoured aegis armour, and this thing is kinda armoured terminator armour...so this is armoured armoured armoured armour?

Very nice. This DOES bring a whole new level to 'sm' armor though. Interesting.

I find it funny that just days ago people were posting that we wouldn't see pics for this kinda stuff for another month yet. Deffinitly not in Feb. The next day we get a pic which is immediatly returned with... well ya but its blurry we want a non blurry one!

Beggars can't be choosers! I did notice on the bottom "Shin guard?" of the model, it almost looks like it has curvatures so that it's not just a brick for a bottom portion of the leg. Might be my fail at magnifying too...

People were meaning we wouldn't see legitimate pics for this kind stuff for another month yet.

We see plenty of this leaked, poor quality webcam stuff.

Apparently GW is fine with the leaks as well? From what I can tell they just let people stroll into the facility with iPads and what not so it must be obvious what is going to come from that?

I'm Ron Burgandy?

that is an incredible coincidence that I said pretty much that, and there's alredy a pic for it!
this is what's gone on in the past year or so:
-dreads hanging onto a mini-thunderhawk via a tiny winch that couldn't hold a termie.
-deep-striking land raiders.
-space marines riding giant wolves.
-MC stats on a 25mm base.
-canis wolfborn the space wolf, riding a giant wolf, armed with wolfclaws, backed up by thunderwolf cavalry.
and now armoured armoured armoured armour?!

Pyronick wrote:Apparently GW is fine with the leaks as well? From what I can tell they just let people stroll into the facility with iPads and what not so it must be obvious what is going to come from that?

I'm Ron Burgandy?

You do know that they have to outsource things to people like printers, translators, etc right?

They don't do codices in house, outside of the actual design process.

Kanluwen wrote:Aka_Mythos--the biggest problem I think is simply the fact that it is an exo-suit.

Detail shots aren't going to change the fact that it's a radical, polarizing idea that is just so far beyond the norm for Imperial forces that it feels absurd just looking at it.

They have 'em, they're just servitor-driven. Seen the Ultramarines movie? Why would they never adapt them for the battlefield? If a lobotomized servitor can pick up fragile and valuable landspeeders in one in order to load them into a Thunderhawk, why couldn't an elite warrior ruin a greater demon's day with one?

Pyronick wrote:Apparently GW is fine with the leaks as well? From what I can tell they just let people stroll into the facility with iPads and what not so it must be obvious what is going to come from that?

You know that is not a bad idea. If I was near GW's headquarters, I would schedule a field trip with my class and sneak pics. They would probably let the little ones tour all the departments. All I would need to do it buy some tech from thinkgeek.com and I would be set up for some nice leaked photos...

shrike wrote:that is an incredible coincidence that I said pretty much that, and there's already a pic for it!

That's why I quoted you! It was worthy of a 5 minute photoshop!

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Very nice. This DOES bring a whole new level to 'sm' armor though. Interesting.

Thanks!

VoidAngel wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Aka_Mythos--the biggest problem I think is simply the fact that it is an exo-suit.

Detail shots aren't going to change the fact that it's a radical, polarizing idea that is just so far beyond the norm for Imperial forces that it feels absurd just looking at it.

They have 'em, they're just servitor-driven. Seen the Ultramarines movie? Why would they never adapt them for the battlefield? If a lobotomized servitor can pick up fragile and valuable landspeeders in one in order to load them into a Thunderhawk, why couldn't an elite warrior ruin a greater demon's day with one?

Actually no, they don't have "servitor-driven" exosuits.

They have servitors fused into exoskeletons. In "Eisenhorn", those kinds of things were mentioned quite a bit. One of the renegade Psykers at the Triumphal even possesses one and uses it to try to kill Eisenhorn.

And if a lobotomized servitor can use it to pick up fragile and valuable landspeeders, why the hell would "an elite warrior" need one to ruin a Greater Daemon's day when they've been doing it for thousands of years prior without it?

The whole point of Grey Knights isn't that they need all these high tech ridiculous things.
Daemons, on a physical level, are really actually kinda weak for what they are. Even Greater Daemons can be banished with the correct words.

Kanluwen wrote:

Pyronick wrote:Apparently GW is fine with the leaks as well? From what I can tell they just let people stroll into the facility with iPads and what not so it must be obvious what is going to come from that?

I'm Ron Burgandy?

You do know that they have to outsource things to people like printers, translators, etc right?

They don't do codices in house, outside of the actual design process.

No I understand that. However i'm assuming that they have pretty tight NDA's in place and that the leaking of a photo should cause a big stir no? Especially considering it happens EVERY time. Either they are super loose on the policy or they use so many companies there's no way to track where it came from. Not really on topic just interesting to me.

Then again i'm comparing this to my job where we work in classified material so the rules are really strict concerning this type of thing. Maybe in the commercial world its different.

Pyronick wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Pyronick wrote:Apparently GW is fine with the leaks as well? From what I can tell they just let people stroll into the facility with iPads and what not so it must be obvious what is going to come from that?

I'm Ron Burgandy?

You do know that they have to outsource things to people like printers, translators, etc right?

They don't do codices in house, outside of the actual design process.

No I understand that. However i'm assuming that they have pretty tight NDA's in place and that the leaking of a photo should cause a big stir no? Especially considering it happens EVERY time. Either they are super loose on the policy or they use so many companies there's no way to track where it came from. Not really on topic just interesting to me.

Then again i'm comparing this to my job where we work in classified material so the rules are really strict concerning this type of thing. Maybe in the commercial world its different.

In the commercial world, this kind of stuff does happen a lot when you have to outsource. Even NDAs don't necessarily prevent it--not in this age with the anonymity of the Internet at least.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

"We can kill just aobut ANY other army out there, but we is scared of NECRONS" -GKGM Codexius Creepus


~DAR

Ironically, my GK got wiped off the board by Necrons this week. Hey, wadda ya know - continuity from GW!

My knee jerk reaction is "I don't like the Dreadknight."

The giant sword makes it look like a Gundam model or something. Totally different asthetic than the Imperial stuff I'm used to seeing.

Maybe the "cleaned up" picture or official pictures will change my mind.

By comparison, I still don't like the Stormraven, but I'll probably get 2 of the fethers for my Black Templars if a WD article lets me.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Does a Space marine or Terminator really need more protection?

Considering how fast Terminators can go away when targeted by things like twin-linked plasma gun fire from Obliterators, yes, they probably do need more protection. Remember, Terminator armor was designed originally both game-wise and lore-wise to give a modicum of protection in close quarter fighting aboard Space Hulks and such from foes using teeth and claws. On open battlefields it does not offer that same level of protection.

P.S. I love wiping out Terminators at close range with Obliterators. One can imagine the smell of the melting armor as the models are removed from the table.

Originally, they were designed to protect technicians working in PLASMA reactors... oh, the irony.

kronk wrote:My knee jerk reaction is "I don't like the Dreadknight."


I still don't like the Stormraven, but I'll probably get 2 of the fethers for my Black Templars if a WD article lets me.

Seem's to be the general idea with people. I'm a blood angel player so thankfully I like the model. However I can't figure out if thats me being completely biased based on my army or that I actually just like it. With people of other armies though its blatently clear

VoidAngel wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:

Does a Space marine or Terminator really need more protection?

Considering how fast Terminators can go away when targeted by things like twin-linked plasma gun fire from Obliterators, yes, they probably do need more protection. Remember, Terminator armor was designed originally both game-wise and lore-wise to give a modicum of protection in close quarter fighting aboard Space Hulks and such from foes using teeth and claws. On open battlefields it does not offer that same level of protection.

P.S. I love wiping out Terminators at close range with Obliterators. One can imagine the smell of the melting armor as the models are removed from the table.

Originally, they were designed to protect technicians working in PLASMA reactors... oh, the irony.

Uh yeah, about that...

They were designed to protect technicians working in plasma reactors. Where the occasional discharge happens, but it's mostly ambient radiation.

Plasma weapons are highly focused and intended to defeat things like...well, armor

Why should I ever take a Dreadnought now? :(

bhsman wrote:Why should I ever take a Dreadnought now? :(

AV12 (13? if allowed Ironclads) 12 10 with the ability to literally shrug off "unsaved" results (if you get a 1/2 and roll your "Daemonic Possion" ability, you ignore Shaken/Stunned for the turn).

Wargear options?

Immunity to most Attribute tests/ rerolling to 'wound' (you don't roll to wound against Vehicles)?

You already own like 5? (if you are the average SM player)

the list goes on.

bhsman wrote:
Why should I ever take a Dreadnought now? :(

When you want AV instead of Monstrous Creatures.

A sniper can still wound an MC on a 4+. Not so with a Dreadnought. They have two different uses.


Edit: Snipered by Daemon-Archon Ren !

Pyronick wrote:Then again i'm comparing this to my job where we work in classified material so the rules are really strict concerning this type of thing. Maybe in the commercial world its different.

In my experience, the commercial world has a lot of security policies that are often ignored because they are contradictory and would prevent actually getting work done.

Different FOC slots?

Kanluwen wrote:

VoidAngel wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:

Does a Space marine or Terminator really need more protection?

Considering how fast Terminators can go away when targeted by things like twin-linked plasma gun fire from Obliterators, yes, they probably do need more protection. Remember, Terminator armor was designed originally both game-wise and lore-wise to give a modicum of protection in close quarter fighting aboard Space Hulks and such from foes using teeth and claws. On open battlefields it does not offer that same level of protection.

P.S. I love wiping out Terminators at close range with Obliterators. One can imagine the smell of the melting armor as the models are removed from the table.

Originally, they were designed to protect technicians working in PLASMA reactors... oh, the irony.

Uh yeah, about that...

They were designed to protect technicians working in plasma reactors. Where the occasional discharge happens, but it's mostly ambient radiation.

Plasma weapons are highly focused and intended to defeat things like...well, armor

Yeah, about that - if I remember correctly (and it has been a couple of decades) the reactor chamber was portrayed like some kind of bowl of nuclear soup, that they occasionally needed to walk around in. That there would be "weapons grade" plasma.

About servitors. You pick the nits. It's a guy in a suit. Strap-0n, or welded into - it's still meat driving metal.


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Balance wrote:

Pyronick wrote:Then again i'm comparing this to my job where we work in classified material so the rules are really strict concerning this type of thing. Maybe in the commercial world its different.

In my experience, the commercial world has a lot of security policies that are often ignored because they are contradictory and would prevent actually getting work done.

My experience is the opposite. We've renamed Security the 'Productivity Prevention Dept.' Their motto is, "If you're doing your job, we're not doing ours."

I also have already predictided (TZEEEEEEEEEEENTCH!!!!!!) a very funny scenario...

one of the people in my gaming group is STRONGLY looking forward to using these new grey knights, I see him taking a bunch of Paladins, some librarians, and probably a DK or 2...

Another friend in my group plays eldar (almost always takes Eldrad)

I foresee this happening when they first meet on battle field

GK player rages at Eldrads magic hat (runes of warding?) keeping him from casting spells due to having to roll 3d6.

GK player sends the DK towards Eldrad to knock off his magic hat.

Eldrad Dooms the DK and Guides a nearby warwalker unit
Eldrad Mindwars the DK for potentially 1 wound (possibly not, oh well)

Warwalkers scatter laser the DK off the board.

GK player scoops and rages at GW.

~~~~~

I'm looking foward to this scenario with great anticipation! I will be sure to take battle pics and post the report (including the looks on the Dick's(See: 1d4 Chan on Eldrad) face((Eldar player)) and the look on the GK players face) on dakka shortly afterwards!

Lord Scythican wrote:

Pyronick wrote:Apparently GW is fine with the leaks as well? From what I can tell they just let people stroll into the facility with iPads and what not so it must be obvious what is going to come from that?

You know that is not a bad idea. If I was near GW's headquarters, I would schedule a field trip with my class and sneak pics. They would probably let the little ones tour all the departments. All I would need to do it buy some tech from thinkgeek.com and I would be set up for some nice leaked photos...

shrike wrote:that is an incredible coincidence that I said pretty much that, and there's already a pic for it!

That's why I quoted you! It was worthy of a 5 minute photoshop!

wait...something I said was worthy of something?! This is the greatest day of my life... I'd like to thank all of dakka for the support, and a load of others...

AlexHolker wrote:

Puscifer wrote:3) MOAR PICTURES!!! Non blurry please. Not saying I'm ungrateful for the ones we have.

And without a great big watermark making a bad photo worse.

Well Heresy will stop using watermarks when certain members on Warseer and Dakka stop taking the pics we find and passing them off as their own.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:I also have already predictided (TZEEEEEEEEEEENTCH!!!!!!) a very funny scenario...

one of the people in my gaming group is STRONGLY looking forward to using these new grey knights, I see him taking a bunch of Paladins, some librarians, and probably a DK or 2...

Another friend in my group plays eldar (almost always takes Eldrad)

I foresee this happening when they first meet on battle field

GK player rages at Eldrads magic hat (runes of warding?) keeping him from casting spells due to having to roll 3d6.

GK player sends the DK towards Eldrad to knock off his magic hat.

Eldrad Dooms the DK and Guides a nearby warwalker unit
Eldrad Mindwars the DK for potentially 1 wound (possibly not, oh well)

Warwalkers scatter laser the DK off the board.

GK player scoops and rages at GW.

~~~~~

I'm looking foward to this scenario with great anticipation! I will be sure to take battle pics and post the report (including the looks on the Dick's(See: 1d4 Chan on Eldrad) face((Eldar player)) and the look on the GK players face) on dakka shortly afterwards!

GK psychic hoods Fortune
Vindicaire shoots Eldard with rumored NO INVUL SAVE LOLOL bullet
Mass psycannon fire BLARGDEAD's Eldrad.
Dreadknight ROFLCOPTERs its way to the objective.

baronspikey wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:

Puscifer wrote:3) MOAR PICTURES!!! Non blurry please. Not saying I'm ungrateful for the ones we have.

And without a great big watermark making a bad photo worse.

Well Heresy will stop using watermarks when certain members on Warseer and Dakka stop taking the pics we find and passing them off as their own.

We fond da photoz furst! We da greatest! RAWWW #1 website in da wuld!

shrike wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:

Pyronick wrote:Apparently GW is fine with the leaks as well? From what I can tell they just let people stroll into the facility with iPads and what not so it must be obvious what is going to come from that?

You know that is not a bad idea. If I was near GW's headquarters, I would schedule a field trip with my class and sneak pics. They would probably let the little ones tour all the departments. All I would need to do it buy some tech from thinkgeek.com and I would be set up for some nice leaked photos...

shrike wrote:that is an incredible coincidence that I said pretty much that, and there's already a pic for it!

That's why I quoted you! It was worthy of a 5 minute photoshop!

wait...something I said was worthy of something?! This is the greatest day of my life... I'd like to thank all of dakka for the support, and a load of others...

Now don't get carried away. It was done in a matter on minutes...still you got 5 minutes of your 15.

VoidAngel wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

VoidAngel wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:

Does a Space marine or Terminator really need more protection?

Considering how fast Terminators can go away when targeted by things like twin-linked plasma gun fire from Obliterators, yes, they probably do need more protection. Remember, Terminator armor was designed originally both game-wise and lore-wise to give a modicum of protection in close quarter fighting aboard Space Hulks and such from foes using teeth and claws. On open battlefields it does not offer that same level of protection.

P.S. I love wiping out Terminators at close range with Obliterators. One can imagine the smell of the melting armor as the models are removed from the table.

Originally, they were designed to protect technicians working in PLASMA reactors... oh, the irony.

Uh yeah, about that...

They were designed to protect technicians working in plasma reactors. Where the occasional discharge happens, but it's mostly ambient radiation.

Plasma weapons are highly focused and intended to defeat things like...well, armor

Yeah, about that - if I remember correctly (and it has been a couple of decades) the reactor chamber was portrayed like some kind of bowl of nuclear soup, that they occasionally needed to walk around in. That there would be "weapons grade" plasma.

No, actually. It would not.
There's a difference between "focused" discharges and "nuclear soup".

Just like how nuclear reactors don't cause the same effect as nuclear bombs when they melt down.

About servitors. You pick the nits. It's a guy in a suit. Strap-0n, or welded into - it's still meat driving metal.

You missed the point.
A servitor is bolted in. Their brain is hard-wired to that exoskeleton and they live to do nothing except operate that exoskeleton. Their brain, effectively, is the only thing on them that's still alive and it's wholly incorporated into the exoskeleton's design.

sourclams wrote:

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:*snip*

GK psychic hoods Fortune
Vindicaire shoots Eldard with rumored NO INVUL SAVE LOLOL bullet
Mass psycannon fire BLARGDEAD's Eldrad.
Dreadknight ROFLCOPTERs its way to the objective.

I feel like I'm back in WoW.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:I also have already predictided (TZEEEEEEEEEEENTCH!!!!!!) a very funny scenario...

one of the people in my gaming group is STRONGLY looking forward to using these new grey knights, I see him taking a bunch of Paladins, some librarians, and probably a DK or 2...

Another friend in my group plays eldar (almost always takes Eldrad)

I foresee this happening when they first meet on battle field

GK player rages at Eldrads magic hat (runes of warding?) keeping him from casting spells due to having to roll 3d6.

GK player sends the DK towards Eldrad to knock off his magic hat.

Eldrad Dooms the DK and Guides a nearby warwalker unit
Eldrad Mindwars the DK for potentially 1 wound (possibly not, oh well)

Warwalkers scatter laser the DK off the board.

GK player scoops and rages at GW.

~~~~~

I'm looking foward to this scenario with great anticipation! I will be sure to take battle pics and post the report (including the looks on the Dick's(See: 1d4 Chan on Eldrad) face((Eldar player)) and the look on the GK players face) on dakka shortly afterwards!

This does seem like a likely scenario. However, Eldrad has a solid chance of failing his own psychic tests due to super aegis (which I am assuming/wishlisting the DK to have), and possibly held back by other anti-psychic rules that GK's might have (I would like to see them keep unlimited range psychic hood as an upgrade option (Psychic Hood can be upgraded to a Nemesis Psychic Hood for +15 Points).
Also of note, the Scatter Lasers are pretty unlikely to kill the GK as well. 36 shots, 27 hit, 9 wound (S6 vs T7). 1.5 failed wounds, x2 for 3 wounds. So even if both doom and guide went off, you would still need to get mindwar to wound as well. Pretty much would need the perfect turn to take it down so easily.
Also, from what we have heard, the lone DK was cheaper then the unit of War Walkers.

H.B.M.C. wrote:We haven't seen the details of it, so I think it is too early to come to a conclusion on whether this thing is good or not. This isn't a Chibi-Hawk situation where we got a nice pic that clearly showed how horrible it is. The two pictures we have of it are - frankly - fething awful.

So let's hold off with the 'drop the ball' comments for now.

Despite my being amazed at his almost defence of GW (almost ) I have to agree with HBMC. We can't clarify from these pics whether it will look crap/good/meh or not. We can get a general impression, but certainty? Not IMO.

A LOT of people have been saying that the Stormraven looks MUCH better in person than it does in the pictures. People also keep criticising GW's photographic abilities and the angles they take things from, I can't imagine they're doing this any favours.

We all know GW are capable of making some mighty impressive large kits (see the new Orks!) and hopefully this one will be the same.

Kanluwen wrote:
It's far more interesting than "Dave, climb into the exosuit!" in my eyes.

I cannot do it Captain! I do not 'av thee poweer!

Gavo wrote:I want to see an actual model,this can be posed very dynamically, as Zefig said. I wish it were a bit bulkier, but whatever.

I agree, this could be posed VERY nicely, much like some of the Wraithlords. I mean, if people can do this (spoilered image)...



... With Wraithlords, imagine some of the stuff they can do with Dreadknights.

At first I really liked it, however I must admit, I too wish it was bulkier to suit the Marine Aesthetic better, pauldrons alone are nigh-mandatory. I still like it however, not as much as I did, but it's more of a positive than a negative however. Definitely got potential IMHO.

sourclams wrote:
with great anticipation! I will be sure to take battle pics and post the report (including the looks on the Dick's(See: 1d4 Chan on Eldrad) face((Eldar player)) and the look on the GK players face) on dakka shortly afterwards!

GK psychic hoods Fortune
Vindicaire shoots Eldard with rumored NO INVUL SAVE LOLOL bullet
Mass psycannon fire BLARGDEAD's Eldrad.
Dreadknight ROFLCOPTERs its way to the objective.