RatWolf wrote:apologies if someone already brought this up but.
The Hive Tyrant is now Direct Sales if thats any difference to anyone? Or an indication to anything.

Actually, the problem is that the new Finecast Hive Tyrant is not available at all in North America (GW stores, FLGS and US webstore) but available as direct only in Europe.

puma713 wrote:"How do we sell a model that most people have already converted? Give it another build that is a desperately-needed transport and come out with WD rules that make it desirable!"

No. Noooooo. You sir, should be taken out back and beaten with a fish. I hope that the Transportofex is just a bad dream. The last thing Tyranids (and 40K) need is more generic spess mahreen playstyle.

That is the really odd thing about all of this. We haven't been able to get a Hive Tyrant here in North America for nearly a month. You would think that since the Hive Tyrant is the only HQ choice for Tyranids with an actual model, you wouldn't think they'd tel it be unavailable in such a large region of consumers for that long.

Yes but you're making an assumption that GW cares about nid players and whether you can make a decent army with the dex and the models they provide.

And I agree with NIB - noooo transportofex. Make models for the units in the codex that are missing them. Or biomorphs such as wings and boneswords/lashwhips that are missing.

I assume nothing of the sort. However I KNOW that they care about the customers money.

N.I.B. wrote:

puma713 wrote:"How do we sell a model that most people have already converted? Give it another build that is a desperately-needed transport and come out with WD rules that make it desirable!"

No. Noooooo. You sir, should be taken out back and beaten with a fish. I hope that the Transportofex is just a bad dream. The last thing Tyranids (and 40K) need is more generic spess mahreen playstyle.

You notice that that was said in a mocking quote of a GW exec?

Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:I assume nothing of the sort. However I KNOW that they care about the customers money.

Only the customers that play Space Marines. Everyone else they either try desperately to get you to "convert" to SM or they tell you to go feth yourself.

puma713 wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:

puma713 wrote:"How do we sell a model that most people have already converted? Give it another build that is a desperately-needed transport and come out with WD rules that make it desirable!"

No. Noooooo. You sir, should be taken out back and beaten with a fish. I hope that the Transportofex is just a bad dream. The last thing Tyranids (and 40K) need is more generic spess mahreen playstyle.

You notice that that was said in a mocking quote of a GW exec?

I did. It also seems like you believe Nids needs a transport. My apologies if that's not the case.

N.I.B. wrote:

puma713 wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:

puma713 wrote:"How do we sell a model that most people have already converted? Give it another build that is a desperately-needed transport and come out with WD rules that make it desirable!"

No. Noooooo. You sir, should be taken out back and beaten with a fish. I hope that the Transportofex is just a bad dream. The last thing Tyranids (and 40K) need is more generic spess mahreen playstyle.

You notice that that was said in a mocking quote of a GW exec?

I did. It also seems like you believe Nids needs a transport. My apologies if that's not the case.

Nids need something. Might not be a Transport, but definitely something. You can tip-toe around that fact but it's a glaring issue that Tyranids need help, and no a full model range isn't going to help since most people already made said competitive models (and no that doesn't mean that I think Tyranids don't need the models).

Screaming Echo wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:

puma713 wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:

puma713 wrote:"How do we sell a model that most people have already converted? Give it another build that is a desperately-needed transport and come out with WD rules that make it desirable!"

No. Noooooo. You sir, should be taken out back and beaten with a fish. I hope that the Transportofex is just a bad dream. The last thing Tyranids (and 40K) need is more generic spess mahreen playstyle.

You notice that that was said in a mocking quote of a GW exec?

I did. It also seems like you believe Nids needs a transport. My apologies if that's not the case.

Nids need something. Might not be a Transport, but definitely something. You can tip-toe around that fact but it's a glaring issue that Tyranids need help, and no a full model range isn't going to help since most people already made said competitive models (and no that doesn't mean that I think Tyranids don't need the models).

A decent codex that is competitively on par with the releases surrounding it would be a good start. Sadly, we won't even have a chance at that for a few years at best.

streamdragon wrote:
A decent codex that is competitively on par with the releases surrounding it would be a good start. Sadly, we won't even have a chance at that for a few years at best.

Something I noticed in my read through and play-test of the Pancake rules (which while not fully debunked have lost a lot of credibility) was that some key changes to the 5th edition ruleset help bring the game to a level playing field for lots of xenos armies (arguably, xenos are considered 'weaker' than MEQ armies on the competitive scene). A few examples of key changes that help would be:

1.) Make missions rely on objectives as well as destroying the opponent - Nids almost always have 6 troops slots filled, more with tervigons.
2.) Make vehicles non-scoring altogether, I.e. get out of your rhino to score points - Being susceptible to CC is a risk that Nids need their opponent to take.
3.) Make close combat with transport vehicles viable - Charge-by-chance is a great mechanic and should be incorporated into the final 6th ed rules. Assaulting a 35 point rhino with 170 points of genestealers, just to be shot to death in the open on the following turn is not a good choice Nid players have but usually it is the only one they can manage. Allowing to charge the occupants after wrecking their ride makes a lot of sense.
4.) Non-random movement speeds - When i was playtesting, I could move a Trygon 16" even if there was nobody to assault thanks to the pancake movement rules. Infantry could just cruise 12" with no run roll. I found myself getting where I needed to be quite frequently and the lack of transport vehicles was much less of a hindrance. Speeding up all non-vehicle models on the battlefield would tremendously help tyranids, all with the same codex we have now.
5.) This was not in the leaked rules but if Monstrous Creatures were more survivable a carnifex would make sense costing 160 points before upgrades. Give all MC's a special rule like a ward save in fantasy - If you fail your armor or cover, take the 'special' save and try to mitigate the wound. Even on a 5 or 6+ I think that would be useful in keeping our big scaly friends alive long enough to cause damage. Alternatively, increasing their movement speed a'la #4 would help here - Instead of making them more resilient they would simply reach the enemy on average 1 turn faster, thus negating a turn of unmitigated shooting attacks vs their 3+ armor saves.

Those are just a handful of gripes directed mostly at the current rule set instead of the Codex itself. Tyranids were my first serious army and it pains me that if I want to play without a serious handicap I have to use my Necrons instead. Here's hoping that changes in 6th ed, whenever and whatever those rules may be.

Now this whole Transportofex is a nickname for a possible unit in White Dwarf right? It isn't an official leaked name right?

Yeah it's just a placeholder name but I wouldn't expect the official name to be much better. LOL

tetrisphreak wrote:

streamdragon wrote:
A decent codex that is competitively on par with the releases surrounding it would be a good start. Sadly, we won't even have a chance at that for a few years at best.

Something I noticed in my read through and play-test of the Pancake rules (which while not fully debunked have lost a lot of credibility) was that some key changes to the 5th edition ruleset help bring the game to a level playing field for lots of xenos armies (arguably, xenos are considered 'weaker' than MEQ armies on the competitive scene). A few examples of key changes that help would be:

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Those are just a handful of gripes directed mostly at the current rule set instead of the Codex itself. Tyranids were my first serious army and it pains me that if I want to play without a serious handicap I have to use my Necrons instead. Here's hoping that changes in 6th ed, whenever and whatever those rules may be.

Believe me, I've got a case of compressed air on order to dust off my Tyranids should even half those rules be accurate. That said, there are plenty of rules that hurt us (Defensive Fire) as much as others (new ID) help us. It's still most certainly in Tyranid players favors, don't get me wrong but it doesn't make the book itself any better. Our lack of options (like offensive grenades on our assault troops), bloated Elites section and patently offensive FAQ all could still use some review and update.

tetrisphreak wrote:5.) This was not in the leaked rules but if Monstrous Creatures were more survivable a carnifex would make sense costing 160 points before upgrades. Give all MC's a special rule like a ward save in fantasy - If you fail your armor or cover, take the 'special' save and try to mitigate the wound. Even on a 5 or 6+ I think that would be useful in keeping our big scaly friends alive long enough to cause damage. Alternatively, increasing their movement speed a'la #4 would help here - Instead of making them more resilient they would simply reach the enemy on average 1 turn faster, thus negating a turn of unmitigated shooting attacks vs their 3+ armor saves.

Was talking to another player at a tourney this weekend, and a modified FNP - only works against things with a STR lower than the creatures T - would work well here. So the big guns (AT weapons and the like) would still be doing their thing, but it's going to take a lot of small arms fire to do anything.

Also (yes, this was a list failure on my part, and one I knew about... but still) Necron AV13 wall sucks when the only things you've got to hurt them are a Tyrant and a single Carnifex. The stealer swarms could glance but they got nuked early...
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Lord Scythican wrote:Now this whole Transportofex is a nickname for a possible unit in White Dwarf right? It isn't an official leaked name right?

It's just as official as "Dakkafex" or whatever. Purely fan-named. The Epic scale thing that it's been compared to is the Exocrine.

Brother SRM wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:Now this whole Transportofex is a nickname for a possible unit in White Dwarf right? It isn't an official leaked name right?

It's just as official as "Dakkafex" or whatever. Purely fan-named. The Epic scale thing that it's been compared to is the Exocrine.

Exocrine = Tyrannofex surely, no?
Trygon = Trygon

Someone pointed out that Tervigons are similar to Malefactors in 'spawning' rather than transporting...

Thing is, the Malefactor was originally a transport iirc.

Another 'newer' critter is, as mentioned, the Cerebore - from the CCG they had a good few years back.

DarkStarSabre wrote:
Another 'newer' critter is, as mentioned, the Cerebore - from the CCG they had a good few years back.

Whoops, my bad! A little early in the morning for me to be thinking of obscure bug names.

N.I.B. wrote:

puma713 wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:

puma713 wrote:"How do we sell a model that most people have already converted? Give it another build that is a desperately-needed transport and come out with WD rules that make it desirable!"

No. Noooooo. You sir, should be taken out back and beaten with a fish. I hope that the Transportofex is just a bad dream. The last thing Tyranids (and 40K) need is more generic spess mahreen playstyle.

You notice that that was said in a mocking quote of a GW exec?

I did. It also seems like you believe Nids needs a transport. My apologies if that's not the case.

Nah, my Nid list is usually Stealer Shock. I doubt I'd use a transport if I had one. However, if it were to be a burrowing hole that spawned hormagaunts every turn, I would definitely use it.

Now this whole Transportofex is a nickname for a possible unit in White Dwarf right? It isn't an official leaked name right?

If it is exist it is called Cerebores.

Note that most of the Tyranid stuff was named by the Imperium (Because isnt everythign dependant on the imperium now -_-).
So it will have an Imperium-y name.

Well obviously it is named after the Imperium It's not like a termaguant can express his own name.

SCREEECH SCHEEECH, Oh sorry I didn't know your name was Steve.

blood lance wrote:Note that most of the Tyranid stuff was named by the Imperium (Because isnt everythign dependant on the imperium now -_-).
So it will have an Imperium-y name.

Well, ALL of the stuff is named by the Imperium.

The 3rdEd Codex details the Tyranid names in Imperial Designation (Warriors, Carnifex, Ripper, etc), Common Name (Screamer-Killer, Anklebiter, Hellbat, etc), and the Species Name (Tyranicus Avius, Tyranicus Gladius, Corporaptor Ymgarli, etc).

I don't think the Hive Tyrant popped in on a Ordo Xenos party one day and said "Sup guys! Look at my friend over there, we call him 'Zoanthrope', he's kind of a smartass."

Brother SRM wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:Now this whole Transportofex is a nickname for a possible unit in White Dwarf right? It isn't an official leaked name right?

It's just as official as "Dakkafex" or whatever. Purely fan-named. The Epic scale thing that it's been compared to is the Exocrine.

Hopefully they will go with Cerebore. I know that would make me happy, though my custom one is probably a little too large to use.

blood lance wrote:Note that most of the Tyranid stuff was named by the Imperium (Because isnt everythign dependant on the imperium now -_-).
So it will have an Imperium-y name.

Yes, because I'm sure a lot of people would rush out to buy the new Tyranid Click-Buzz-Snarl-Spit kit. The Tyranids themselves are named by the Imperium, as they were first encountered on Tyran. All the names in the codex are Imperial because bugs don't talk like we do. Even so, their names are generally pretty distinctive.

blood lance wrote:Note that most of the Tyranid stuff was named by the Imperium (Because isnt everythign dependant on the imperium now -_-).
So it will have an Imperium-y name.

And by 'now' you mean 'since rogue trader'.

Just saw in the 40K Release thread that StraightSilver stated that the Tyranid wave would be February. Would they do that since it wasn't mentioned in White Dwarf, or is it wrong/outdated information?.

What do YOU think?

Likely outdated. A month ago we all thought for certain it would be nids this month but instead we got lotr stuff

Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:Just saw in the 40K Release thread that StraightSilver stated that the Tyranid wave would be February. Would they do that since it wasn't mentioned in White Dwarf, or is it wrong/outdated information?.

Seems that they are likely being pushed back to March. Fingers crossed!

That's what I was thinking. Still thought it might be worth asking what others thought about it.

Killian, you need a shot or two.

With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread for another while - looking at the leaked 6th ed pdf, what are the drawbacks for Nids?

Trading easy accessable 4+ cover for hard to come by 5+ cover is a HUGE bad, in my book. The onion formation with 4+ cover saves for all is what make my Nids tick, and reach the enemy in large enough numbers to do the job.
2x10 Gargoyles would be mandatory, as the only unit that can 5+ screen units behind.

Also, everyone getting +1 to hit MC's with shooting, coupled with missiles now ignoring FNP and the loss of cover saves and I wouldn't even bother fielding MC's.

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread for another while - looking at the leaked 6th ed pdf, what are the drawbacks for Nids?

Trading easy accessable 4+ cover for hard to come by 5+ cover is a HUGE bad, in my book. The onion formation with 4+ cover saves for all is what make my Nids tick, and reach the enemy in large enough numbers to do the job.
2x10 Gargoyles would be mandatory, as the only unit that can 5+ screen units behind. .

Even more reason for a transportofex, no?

If the leaked 6th ed rumors pan out into the final version, keep in mind that 4+ cover will go away for everyone. The 5+ from venomthropes will be much more useful and will be able to keep up with your advance, rather than being tied to specific terrain. I think they only have 2 wounds though so they wont gain much from rumored changes to instant death (dont have my book on me). They will still compete with other elite slots though.

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread for another while - looking at the leaked 6th ed pdf, what are the drawbacks for Nids?

Trading easy accessable 4+ cover for hard to come by 5+ cover is a HUGE bad, in my book. The onion formation with 4+ cover saves for all is what make my Nids tick, and reach the enemy in large enough numbers to do the job.
2x10 Gargoyles would be mandatory, as the only unit that can 5+ screen units behind.

Also, everyone getting +1 to hit MC's with shooting, coupled with missiles now ignoring FNP and the loss of cover saves and I wouldn't even bother fielding MC's.

Swoop wrote:If the leaked 6th ed rumors pan out into the final version, keep in mind that 4+ cover will go away for everyone. The 5+ from venomthropes will be much more useful and will be able to keep up with your advance, rather than being tied to specific terrain. I think they only have 2 wounds though so they wont gain much from rumored changes to instant death (dont have my book on me). They will still compete with other elite slots though.

You guys also realize that if the leaked Rulebook is true, then you can draw LOS through models with a base and that the models with a base do not provide cover. Means no getting cover from large tervigons or other big bugs.

However, I think most people are of the mind that this version was a mashup of the design team and that a lot of the big changes may not make it into the final release.

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread for another while - looking at the leaked 6th ed pdf, what are the drawbacks for Nids?

Reserves are alot more interesting if things stay as-is. Players get far more strategic options as Lictor rules and Trygon tunnels become viable, and outflank is a little more dangerous. However this is offset by the -1 penalty for outflank, and especially by defensive fire. Nid players will have to choose carefully what they place where, and in which order, to ensure their bugs aren't killed without seeing a single turn.
The Drop Spore/Mycetic Spore thing will have to be FAQ'd too. Does defensive fire only apply to the pod and not the passengers? I guess this is the case, but am honestly expecting two different FAQ rulings for marines and for nids.

On the brighter side of things, nid shooting just got far more dangerous. Zoanthropes will by hitting their favourite targets on 2+ now. And I'm really looking forward to dropping a brood of devilguants within 12" of a stationary unit, and giving them Preferred Enemy...

I'm definitely hoping that these rules aren't true for the monstrous creatures. I have a hard enough time keeping them alive as it is, but now with the supposed Evasion rules, less cover, hard to get cover and Feel No Pain not working on AP3 weapons it'll just all be a waste of points to bring one, not to mention waste of money.

I'm really hoping GW doesn't mess this up and gimps a very core unit type for the Nids. Not everyone likes playing the little buggies, some like the big ones.

Lord Scythican wrote:Now this whole Transportofex is a nickname for a possible unit in White Dwarf right? It isn't an official leaked name right?

No it's a name I made up quite a few pages back. It seems to have stuck, which I'm happy with.

puma713 wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread for another while - looking at the leaked 6th ed pdf, what are the drawbacks for Nids?

Trading easy accessable 4+ cover for hard to come by 5+ cover is a HUGE bad, in my book. The onion formation with 4+ cover saves for all is what make my Nids tick, and reach the enemy in large enough numbers to do the job.
2x10 Gargoyles would be mandatory, as the only unit that can 5+ screen units behind.

Also, everyone getting +1 to hit MC's with shooting, coupled with missiles now ignoring FNP and the loss of cover saves and I wouldn't even bother fielding MC's.

Swoop wrote:If the leaked 6th ed rumors pan out into the final version, keep in mind that 4+ cover will go away for everyone. The 5+ from venomthropes will be much more useful and will be able to keep up with your advance, rather than being tied to specific terrain. I think they only have 2 wounds though so they wont gain much from rumored changes to instant death (dont have my book on me). They will still compete with other elite slots though.

You guys also realize that if the leaked Rulebook is true, then you can draw LOS through models with a base and that the models with a base do not provide cover. Means no getting cover from large tervigons or other big bugs.

Well yes, hence my reference to lack of cover and Gargoyles as mandatory screening units, as they don't have bases.

xttz wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread for another while - looking at the leaked 6th ed pdf, what are the drawbacks for Nids?

Reserves are alot more interesting if things stay as-is. Players get far more strategic options as Lictor rules and Trygon tunnels become viable, and outflank is a little more dangerous. However this is offset by the -1 penalty for outflank, and especially by defensive fire.

Wut, does Defensive Fire work against Outflanking units? I though it was deepstriking units only.

xttz wrote:The Drop Spore/Mycetic Spore thing will have to be FAQ'd too. Does defensive fire only apply to the pod and not the passengers? I guess this is the case, but am honestly expecting two different FAQ rulings for marines and for nids.

On the brighter side of things, nid shooting just got far more dangerous. Zoanthropes will by hitting their favourite targets on 2+ now. And I'm really looking forward to dropping a brood of devilguants within 12" of a stationary unit, and giving them Preferred Enemy...

Agreed about the Mycetic Spores unclarity. But Tanks getting easier to hit (I know Evasion has been 'debunked' but for discussions sake) they will also be harder to damage, negating the AP1 bonus. So the netto result is zero.

Well except how the Codex FAQs state that drop pods and spores do not trigger defensive fire.

Talking about that rule set is pointless until we see the finished one...

Well, technically speaking, talking about rumors and posting on forums is also pointless...

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread

I find it very annoying coming to the N&R forums and finding page upon page of off topic debate. Can't this thread be either locked, moved or pruned, because this is just infuriating...

Cheers

N.I.B. wrote:Well yes, hence my reference to lack of cover and Gargoyles as mandatory screening units, as they don't have bases.

A flying base is still a base. It's the base the model came with.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:Now this whole Transportofex is a nickname for a possible unit in White Dwarf right? It isn't an official leaked name right?

No it's a name I made up quite a few pages back. It seems to have stuck, which I'm happy with.

That is good. I hated the name as an official name. As for a fan name that has now become stuck worse than a space marine arm glued with plastic glue...I must say I like it!

Gorlack wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread

I find it very annoying coming to the N&R forums and finding page upon page of off topic debate. Can't this thread be either locked, moved or pruned, because this is just infuriating...

Cheers

Not trying to argue but you know you don't have to come and read this thread. You do have the power not to read this thread no more.

Davor wrote:

Gorlack wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread

I find it very annoying coming to the N&R forums and finding page upon page of off topic debate. Can't this thread be either locked, moved or pruned, because this is just infuriating...

Cheers

Not trying to argue but you know you don't have to come and read this thread. You do have the power not to read this thread no more.

Here's a deal to anyone who feels the same - if we get new info, I'll update the topic title to reflect it, and put the info on the first post. Deal?

Sounds like a deal to me... and considering we are now a third of the way through February... we may soon start hearing rumors for the March releases.

I will not believe nothing for March. I hate the, Oh it's March now not February. Then when March doesn't come, will it be April then?

Still hoping since I am a Tyranid player, but not going to believe it. I can't get excited for it since I have been waiting too long for something Tyranid now.

Davor wrote:I will not believe nothing for March. I hate the, Oh it's March now not February. Then when March doesn't come, will it be April then?

Still hoping since I am a Tyranid player, but not going to believe it. I can't get excited for it since I have been waiting too long for something Tyranid now.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

All these rumors that keep showing up just always let me down. It's been going on for 2 years now. It's always "Oh just another month" but after so many months that have gone by, it just left me very skeptical about anything Tyranid related.

If the second wave comes next month, fine, I'll be damn happy, but I won't be holding my breath.

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical about the rumours. Rumours are, afterall, not proven. If we knew for a fact they were being released in March, it would no longer be a rumour.

It's always fun speculating though.

Agree its fun to speculate and discuss the tidbits that the good rumour-mongers toss out to us, however, I will also not get excited until I see it (probably not even then). It has been far too long for nids - haven't got a decent errata (the little bit they did was nice but hardly sufficient for a dex with so many issues , IMO) and so many models are still missing (units that GW decided to add - some unnecessary).

Then we have 6th edition on the horizon - who knows what that will do to nids - probably fix some issues but being GW will likely create alot more. Lets say GW releases a mycetic spore pod which is long overdue - I wont likely buy any until I see whether 6th edition and any nid errata at the same time does to them. It is unfortunate but it is GWs own fault. They cannot be trusted so unless I had many to burn - why buy models that may be useless in a few months. I'll wait and see.

Davor wrote:

Gorlack wrote:

N.I.B. wrote:With the lack of new rumours we might just as well derail this thread

I find it very annoying coming to the N&R forums and finding page upon page of off topic debate. Can't this thread be either locked, moved or pruned, because this is just infuriating...

Cheers

Not trying to argue but you know you don't have to come and read this thread. You do have the power not to read this thread no more.

Yeah I get that. But what doesn't infuriate me is posts with rumors about this release. So while it's great that you guys have a nice debate going on about 6th edition, I just don't quite understand why it has to be on the N&R board in the "News thread", because let me break something to you that may be news: it's not news

Damn I've been writing news a lot anyways... If the thread title gets updated I would be very happy, as I can skip the 5 pages of off topic debate about future army lists in a fictive 6th edition that doesn't exist before June...

It just seemed like you were complaining Gorlack. I am surprised myself that the mods haven't locked it yet.

I guess that is why Dakka Dakka is so great compared to Warseer. Warseer, they have control and athourity issues. They love to lock almost everything. At least there is a more relaxed atmospher here on Dakka Dakka and don't take Everthing so seriously and give a lot of lee way.




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Thing is, my money has been going to Privateer Press now. I spent $150 in the last few months. Guess GW doesn't want that money from me.

I really hope we get an update to this topic soon, other than all the chatter about it. I'm looking forward to a Tyrannofex/Tervigon/Harpy/whatever, so long as it's a gribbly. Supposedly, we should get a few fuzzy pictures of a White Dwarf article soon, shouldn't we?(hopefully)

They kept the lid for the LOTR issue kept tight until the day before release, so I wouldn't expect blurry shots.

On the other hand, not many people care much for LotR, and yet images leaked a week before the magazine was released.

Absolutionis wrote:On the other hand, not many people care much for LotR, and yet images leaked a week before the magazine was released.

If it can be leaked, someone will leak it even if its not all that much to get worked up about

The models better be worth the wait.

The models will be worth the wait, as long as they don't take design cues from the Biovore.

Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:The models will be worth the wait, as long as they don't take design cues from the Biovore.

Considering no other models have drawn too heavily from that awful sculpt, I think we'll be okay! If there's one thing that's been really good lately, it's been GW plastics, so I'm expecting good things whenever these models come out.

I will puke if the Tyrannofex is just a biovore but like 4x the size

Really now?

The new Pyrovore was just a larger Biovore.
The new Venomthrope was just a Zoanthrope body with a lictor head.
The new Hive Guard was just a Tyrant Guard with a gun.
The new Trygon was just a Forge World Trygon made plastic.
The new Raveners were just metal Raveners made plastic.
The new Gargoyles were just metal Gargoyles made plastic and brought more in line with modern Gaunts.

GW really wasn't on a creative streak with these new models and it wouldn't be too surprising if the Tryannofex was just a really big Biovore and the Tervigon was just a really fat Carnifex. I appreciate the new models completely, but it's nothing innovative like what Forge World produced for the Amphelion Project.

Wow, before posting stuff like that, have you looked at even one of these units closely? Sure, they are similar but all of those sculpts were completely new..

Ventus wrote:Then we have 6th edition on the horizon - who knows what that will do to nids - probably fix some issues but being GW will likely create alot more. Lets say GW releases a mycetic spore pod which is long overdue - I wont likely buy any until I see whether 6th edition and any nid errata at the same time does to them. It is unfortunate but it is GWs own fault. They cannot be trusted so unless I had many to burn - why buy models that may be useless in a few months. I'll wait and see.

Bonus points to you, sir.

feluca wrote:Wow, before posting stuff like that, have you looked at even one of these units closely? Sure, they are similar but all of those sculpts were completely new..

I mean from a design standpoint. They're obviously new sculpts; that's how the plastic Trygon was identified to begin with.

I mean that GW made the great-looking Guard and Carnifex and Tyrant in 4thEd. They were rather unique body types at the time and not comparable to anything else. GW took a page from PrivateerPress and made 5thEd Tyranids just light modifications to existing body types.

That being said, it wouldn't be surprising in the slightest if the Tyrannofex was a Carnifex-Biovore, the Tervigon a fat-Fex, and the Parasite a winged Lictor.

Hive Tyrant now gone from the UK website!

Hopefully this is a good sign. Not overly holding my breath, but this does point to an imminent release to me.

Absolutionis wrote:Really now?

The new Pyrovore was just a larger Biovore.
The new Venomthrope was just a Zoanthrope body with a lictor head.
The new Hive Guard was just a Tyrant Guard with a gun.

GW really wasn't on a creative streak with these new models and it wouldn't be too surprising if the Tryannofex was just a really big Biovore and the Tervigon was just a really fat Carnifex. I appreciate the new models completely, but it's nothing innovative like what Forge World produced for the Amphelion Project.

If you want to go by naming conventions, the Tyrannofex should be a really big Carnifex. Pyrovores were similar to Biovores. Venomthropes were similar to Zoanthropes (Malanthropes are like a mix of a box Zoanthrope and a big Venomthrope as well). Hive Guard were similar to Tyrant Guard. Tyrannofex, by that logic, should be similar to a Carnifex.

Even the Tyrannofexes bestiary description makes it out to be a similar role to the Carnifex, not a Biovore, a heavily armed, armoured and tough as all gak linebreaker. The rupture cannon isn't even its primary weapon, or even a default weapon.

-Loki- wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:(explanation on why GW's new units are not creative and/or inspired

(explanation on why GW's naming convention makes sense)

You missed the point of the argument.

The names make sense, sure.

Dark Eldar got snakes, Venoms, Jets, Samurai, etc. All new concepts from a model-standpoint.
Blood Angels got ChibiHawks and ShinyGoldenNipplemarines.
Necrons got flying croissants and flying Cylon-Ships,
Grey Knights got Baby-Carriers and Monkeys.
All this stuff is new and (arguably) great.

Tyranids got Tyrant Guard with a gun, a Forge World hand-me-down, a smaller Malanthrope, and a larger Biovore. All great stuff, but nothing truly unique when you put it on paper.

I know none of it was original, and wasn't the part I was arguing. Just the conclucion of the Tyrannofex being a big Biovore. Looking at how the new models went, it's more likely it's going to be a big Carnifex.

Even if they go the route of giving it a back mounted rupture cannon, a back mounted gundoesn't make it a big Biovore. Otherwise the Scythed Heirodule is.

Cryage wrote:I will puke if the Tyrannofex is just a biovore but like 4x the size

And I will be unhappy, if the gun is not on the back but a ... crotch gun like in the Codex art. But I fear, I WILL be unhappy.

Absolutionis wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:(explanation on why GW's new units are not creative and/or inspired

(explanation on why GW's naming convention makes sense)

You missed the point of the argument.

The names make sense, sure.

Dark Eldar got snakes, Venoms, Jets, Samurai, etc. All new concepts from a model-standpoint.
Blood Angels got ChibiHawks and ShinyGoldenNipplemarines.
Necrons got flying croissants and flying Cylon-Ships,
Grey Knights got Baby-Carriers and Monkeys.
All this stuff is new and (arguably) great.

Tyranids got Tyrant Guard with a gun, a Forge World hand-me-down, a smaller Malanthrope, and a larger Biovore. All great stuff, but nothing truly unique when you put it on paper.

Now now there, those god-awful monkeys weren't new, that was one of those bits of RT era insanity many of us wish they would have left the frak alone, and hive guard fill a completely new niche in the army.
Sorry, but model support in the nid wave was actually quite good.
New entries in the codex were too. Wish there would have been models for a couple more of them, but that's another thing entirely.

I want the Tyranofex to look like

Frame of Carnifex
Carapace of Tyrant Guard
Aesthetics of Pyrovore x 2 cannons

Kroothawk wrote:

Cryage wrote:I will puke if the Tyrannofex is just a biovore but like 4x the size

And I will be unhappy, if the gun is not on the back but a ... crotch gun like in the Codex art. But I fear, I WILL be unhappy.

Does it matter that much? Isn't true line of sight based on the MC's face, not where the gun is held?

The problem with basing the Tyrannofex around the rupture cannon on the back is it's not its default weapon. It's default weapon is an assault 20 fleshborer, plus it also has other weapons all over it - throax swarm, and a stinger salvo, which is described as being mounted in the carapace of large Tyranids.

A back mounted main gun would be awkward with the singer salvo. But then, a belly mounted main gun would be awkward with the thorax swarm.


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Cryage wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

Cryage wrote:I will puke if the Tyrannofex is just a biovore but like 4x the size

And I will be unhappy, if the gun is not on the back but a ... crotch gun like in the Codex art. But I fear, I WILL be unhappy.

Does it matter that much? Isn't true line of sight based on the MC's face, not where the gun is held?

edit - read that wrong.

Yeah, LoS is based on where it would actually be able to see.

Now the Finecast Hive Tyrant is also flagged "not available anymore" in Europe. Two weeks before the WD release, right?
This is a very good indication for a new plastic Hive Tyrant plastic kit.

Kroothawk wrote:Now the Finecast Hive Tyrant is also flagged "not available anymore" in Europe. Two weeks before the WD release, right?
This is a very good indication for a new plastic Hive Tyrant plastic kit.

I'm excited about that, if it comes with a swarmlord kit, I will buy one exclusively to build a swarmlord.

Kroothawk wrote:Now the Finecast Hive Tyrant is also flagged "not available anymore" in Europe. Two weeks before the WD release, right?
This is a very good indication for a new plastic Hive Tyrant plastic kit.

YAY! finally plastic hive tyrant

It could still very well be a repackaged Finecast Hive Tyrant with extra options for Boneswords and/or Wings.

The recent LotR release has shown that GW isn't afraid to produce large monsters in Finecast.

Yeah. That's what I'm afraid of.

Finecost wings... *shudder*

Even worse, GW could just give us a slightly retweaked Hive Tyrant with all the same options like they did with the IG Basilisk repackaging.

So, what, it'll have a venom cannon in the picture on the box but no venom cannon in the kit?

I could see that.

-Loki- wrote:The problem with basing the Tyrannofex around the rupture cannon on the back is it's not its default weapon. It's default weapon is an assault 20 fleshborer, plus it also has other weapons all over it - throax swarm, and a stinger salvo, which is described as being mounted in the carapace of large Tyranids.

A back mounted main gun would be awkward with the singer salvo. But then, a belly mounted main gun would be awkward with the thorax swarm.

The default weapon is actually an acid spray. The fleshborer hive is a 10pt upgrade (Well, arguably an 'upgrade').

Kroothawk wrote:Now the Finecast Hive Tyrant is also flagged "not available anymore" in Europe. Two weeks before the WD release, right?
This is a very good indication for a new plastic Hive Tyrant plastic kit.

I'm hoping someone leaks something before then. 2 weeks seems so far away.

If it comes with Finecast Wings, im assuming the price will hike from a reasonable £36 to a squeemish £41 .....

RatWolf wrote:If it comes with Finecast Wings, im assuming the price will hike from a reasonable £36 to a squeemish £41 .....

It has to be an entirely new model. Everyone already has a Hive Tyrant or two. I have 4, two old and two new, and my new ones are magnetic. I understand that not everyone has that many but I haven't seen a Nid player without a Hive Tyrant. A repackaging won't drum up sales. Adding in a few bits means that I'll go on e-bay and pay $15 for some wings instead of $65 for a model that no one really needs any more. The only way GW can get me to buy a new Hive Tyrant is if they come out with a new model.

What's worse is that the Hive Tyrant is a great model and I don't really see a point to get rid of it other then to try and raise the sales that were ruined after the new codex. But this is the Tyranid codex we are talking about so I expect GW to do something random and since-less and then punish the players for not just going with it.

Arson Fire wrote:The default weapon is actually an acid spray. The fleshborer hive is a 10pt upgrade (Well, arguably an 'upgrade').

Well...getting less range and on average less wounds per turn (the acid spray is str 6 so wounds most things on a 2+ and on average the 20 shot flesh borer hive will only get 5 wounds on marines) I would say would be a downgrade for 10pts (as with many of the options in this book).

As far as what others are saying I agree that the Hive Tyrant HAS to be a brand new sculpt 100% in plastic. If it is anything else (repackage, extra sprue added, etc.) there is no way in heck I would even think about buying it (I have 2 new tyrants already). A plastic one with all the options though? I would 100% buy it.

Kwosge wrote:

RatWolf wrote:If it comes with Finecast Wings, im assuming the price will hike from a reasonable £36 to a squeemish £41 .....

It has to be an entirely new model. Everyone already has a Hive Tyrant or two. I have 4, two old and two new, and my new ones are magnetic. I understand that not everyone has that many but I haven't seen a Nid player without a Hive Tyrant. A repackaging won't drum up sales. Adding in a few bits means that I'll go on e-bay and pay $15 for some wings instead of $65 for a model that no one really needs any more. The only way GW can get me to buy a new Hive Tyrant is if they come out with a new model.

What's worse is that the Hive Tyrant is a great model and I don't really see a point to get rid of it other then to try and raise the sales that were ruined after the new codex. But this is the Tyranid codex we are talking about so I expect GW to do something random and since-less and then punish the players for not just going with it.

Again though. GW Took the Imperial Guard Basilisk and simply repackaged it for ease of assembly. It was a plastic kit and they remade it into another plastic kit. It would have been the prime opportunity to release a kit alongside a Medusa or Gryphon. After all, what proper IG player doesn't have a Basilisk? If anything, me and many of my Iron Warriors comrades sold our Basilisks to IG players when the codex got gigastomped.

That Basilisk kit misfire is evidence enough that GW isn't beyond making questionable marketing decisions regarding rereleasing kits. Repackaging the Tyrant with wings/swords would still sell kits.

As someone that has yet to buy a Hive Tyrant(they never have one in stores when I'm there) , I would be interested in buying up to three(Tyrant,"Flyrant",Swarmlord). If they do make a plastic kit, it will need to look at least as good as the currently missing Tyrant kit, which is a truly lovely sculpt.

Gah!! The best part of playing and modeling Tyranids is all the conversions needed to make some of them. I have made Tervigon, Tyrannofex, Y stealers, and DoM. The creativity and variation is what Biomorphing and nid sculpting is all about. They might as well discontinue green stuff cause there will be no need for it now.

Just because there's an official model doesn't mean you can't make your own is you prefer. Heck, with the new models you'd only end up with more parts for your conversions, no?

agonzoman00 wrote:Gah!! The best part of playing and modeling Tyranids is all the conversions needed to make some of them. I have made Tervigon, Tyrannofex, Y stealers, and DoM. The creativity and variation is what Biomorphing and nid sculpting is all about. They might as well discontinue green stuff cause there will be no need for it now.

I personally can't sculpt for gak. Does that mean I shouldn't get a Tervigon or Tyrannofex model, or have to buy a terrible conversion kit to make a fat Carnifex with boobs?

Just because Tyranids are all about customising, doesn't mean there shouldn't be official models.

If the Tyrant really does get a plastic with swarmlord and wing options, I'm not sure what I'm going to do. I currently have a flyrant (Forgeworld) that I love. If the GW flyrant looks how I think it will (wings similar to how they did the Gargoyles), it's going to be tough on the old FW flyrant. That said, my initial plan was to use GW Tyrants for the Swarmlord and Tyrants with armoured shell, and FW Tyrants for flyrants and Tyrants without armoured shell. Might just have to go for a mix if the GW plastic looks good.

Kwosge wrote:
It has to be an entirely new model. Everyone already has a Hive Tyrant or two. I have 4, two old and two new, and my new ones are magnetic. I understand that not everyone has that many but I haven't seen a Nid player without a Hive Tyrant. A repackaging won't drum up sales. Adding in a few bits means that I'll go on e-bay and pay $15 for some wings instead of $65 for a model that no one really needs any more. The only way GW can get me to buy a new Hive Tyrant is if they come out with a new model.

What's worse is that the Hive Tyrant is a great model and I don't really see a point to get rid of it other then to try and raise the sales that were ruined after the new codex. But this is the Tyranid codex we are talking about so I expect GW to do something random and since-less and then punish the players for not just going with it.

Been playing since the end of RT I have 6 2nd ed tyrants that I use as guards and primes, 5 of the current metal, and a custom Swarmlord. I would buy a plastic kit that had wings, left and right sword arms, and it would need left and right whips to make me a super happy camper.

Bring on the transport-o-fex

agonzoman00 wrote:Gah!! The best part of playing and modeling Tyranids is all the conversions needed to make some of them. I have made Tervigon, Tyrannofex, Y stealers, and DoM. The creativity and variation is what Biomorphing and nid sculpting is all about. They might as well discontinue green stuff cause there will be no need for it now.

Sculpting your own models is not the best thing in my opinion. It's costly, and most of the time the end product looks weird. I'd rather have an official model any day.

Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:As someone that has yet to buy a Hive Tyrant(they never have one in stores when I'm there) , I would be interested in buying up to three(Tyrant,"Flyrant",Swarmlord). If they do make a plastic kit, it will need to look at least as good as the currently missing Tyrant kit, which is a truly lovely sculpt.

I'm more or less in the same boat as you. I started Nids early last year and I hate dealing with metal models, so I always just went with a Tervigon (Carnifex proxy) or a Tyranid Prime as my HQ. I would probably end up getting two so I could have a flyer and a walker/Swarmlord.

I wonder if the new tyrant will look like last years Swarmlotd in the Arena of Dwath article they had last Feb (which was before finecast)

I hope not, those are really bland swords that don't fit the Tyranid aesthetic at all. It's just a conversion by someone in the studio, nothing more.

That Swarmlord is looking awfully thin...lets hope the possible plastic one is bulkier!

I'm pretty sure the scale between the two is off.

I just noticed that the Biovores availability status has changed to
"Tyranid Biovore

This set contains 1 Biovore and 3 Spore Mines.

Availability:

This product is expected to despatch in three to four weeks.
Part Code: 99110106055"
So March 5th to 12th as possible 2nd Wave release dates?

Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:I just noticed that the Biovores availability status has changed to
"Tyranid Biovore

This set contains 1 Biovore and 3 Spore Mines.

Availability:

This product is expected to despatch in three to four weeks.
Part Code: 99110106055"
So March 5th to 12th as possible 2nd Wave release dates?

You could be right Ripper, but from past experience this just happens from time to time. I noticed it happened with Fire Dragons and Warp Spiders about 4 months before they were finecasted. They came back in 24 hour stock in a few days. I wouldn't read too much into it.

at my end it says that everything ships within 24 hours. Except for these.
Death leaper: No Longer Available
Ripper swarm: No Longer Available
Biovore: This product is expected to despatch in one to two weeks.

You know, that doesn't bode well. We're told not to expect too much. And it's starting to look like all we're going to get is Finecosted stuff we already had....

Vemores32 wrote:

Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:I just noticed that the Biovores availability status has changed to
"Tyranid Biovore
This product is expected to despatch in three to four weeks.
Part Code: 99110106055"
So March 5th to 12th as possible 2nd Wave release dates?

You could be right Ripper, but from past experience this just happens from time to time. I noticed it happened with Fire Dragons and Warp Spiders about 4 months before they were finecasted. They came back in 24 hour stock in a few days. I wouldn't read too much into it.

I'm not reading too much into it, just thought it was a little interesting since the rumors are now saying early march and these dates given by GW fit with said rumors.

Like you said though, I've seen similar things happen with Tau and CSM that have been absolutely nothing, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least if this turned out to be not too. Just thought I'd share what I found with everyone else.

Didn't the Death Leaper already got to Finecost, or did I imagine that?

Nope, and it's still available on the US site in metal, shipping within 24 hours.

I think it's just that the Lictor model looks too similar to the Death Leaper.

Yeah, the only metal in the Tyranid range still metal is the Biovore.

I wish they'd do an entirely new model though. If it looked like the artwork in its bestiary page, I'd buy three of them.

-Loki- wrote:Yeah, the only metal in the Tyranid range still metal is the Biovore.

I wish they'd do an entirely new model though. If it looked like the artwork in its bestiary page, I'd buy three of them.

Not at all.

We still have the characters (Red Terror, OneEye, Leaper), Spore Mines, and those awfully ancient Rippers they still sell for $10 a base.

♫ GW tried to destroy the metal, but the Tyranids were too strong. ♫

Those are models I'd guess would be discontinued. GW are being quite aggressive in replacing entire ranges metals with finecast. Look at Vampire Counts - they discontinued those vampires that have been up and available since 6th edition.

I'd guess that eventually the Red Terror, Old One Eye and the old Rippers will disappear rather than go finecast (especially since you can basically make Old One Eye with the Carnifex kit). Deathleaper being available in metal still seems a bit odd, considering it's the only model they appear to have the metal listed and working on the site for with a finecast variant. They must have a lot of backstock for it.

Spore mines I'd guess would go finecast with the Biovore. I actually forgot about them being sold separately. I've never even seen anyone talk about them as a unit, let alone use them.

Posted by Darnock.

It's getting spring, the birds sing more often.

Yet another confirmation for the coming releases: March has the new paints, Thunderwolves and the Tervigon kit. Preorders for this by end of March.

Salt to be applied as usual.

Backed up by BramGaunt.

March's product is the new paint range. Thunderwolves and the Tervigon are more like a bonus, not an actual release.

....So, only the Tervigon combo.

We all had hopes.

And now it seems to be one critter.

But hey, they squeezed something for a variant Space Marine in.

Meh.

I'm certainly happy. I might even postpone my dicebucket order for another month, then order a pair each of Tervigons and Trygons.

Meh. To me it's too little, too late. Releasing a single kit is a damn insult when multiple critters and SC have been spotted.

Particularly if all the 'new' pant range is is nothing more than glorified relable to copyrightable names as a possible leak has suggested.

A Tervigon. Wow.

So if we see thunder wolves and a tervigon kit in march will the GW white knights stop bitching about third party manufacturers "preventing GW from releasing them" ?

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:So if we see thunder wolves and a tervigon kit in march will the GW white knights stop bitching about third party manufacturers "preventing GW from releasing them" ?

Was that rhetorical?

... Seriously? Just the Tervigon?

What kinda crap is this?

rigeld2 wrote:... Seriously? Just the Tervigon?

What kinda crap is this?

I don't see his being true personally, especially with the Hive Tyrant gone from GW's site. At very least we'll get a few upgrades for the tyrant.

Saying that, it would be a Hive Tyrant / Tervigon dual kit.....

Well I'm curious to check the kit, hopefully something interesting from a modelling prespective.

Just the tervigon eh? I would say that I was disapointed but the truth is I lost all hope of a decent tyranid second wave quite some time ago. I will eventually pick up a few of them but such a half hearted release does not excite me to the point where dollar bills start flying out of my wallett and into their coffers.

I was really hoping GW would give me a nice birthday surprise (Feb 29). Initial rumors of a strong wave release for Feb had me giddy. When rumors then suggested March as more likely I could live with it; better late than never right? Now i just hope to see them before my next birthday (2016) but I'm not holding my breath.

Swoop!

Swoop wrote:Just the tervigon eh? I would say that I was disapointed but the truth is I lost all hope of a decent tyranid second wave quite some time ago. I will eventually pick up a few of them but such a half hearted release does not excite me to the point where dollar bills start flying out of my wallett and into their coffers.

They play with it. You are disappointed but "will eventually pick up a few of them" anyway. I think plastic dust is addictive...

My two Tervigons were converted years ago. I don't really fancy a 5-tervie list.

Oh well, even if it's "just a Tervigon" I'll be very happy. Now hopefully I win that tournament because that's the only way I'll be able to afford one any time soon.

Oh and the release of Thunderwolves is just a bonus for me too, since Space Wolves are my main army. If they look good I'll get 1 or 2, but if not then I'll stick with my Paulson Games ones.

I've been a 40k fan since 1988 so I guess you could say I'm in this hobby for the long haul. If I could I would probably collect 75% of the armies out there based on interest in the fluff alone. Tyranids have been my favorite since the genestealer cult days so i will eventually purchase a few of any new tyranid models. But "eventually" for me means sometime in the next few years, maybe after I have finished with other non-GW projects (and there are many). If they had excited me I'd probably be dropping a grand or so to flesh things out rather than eventually picking up two models.

Just saying.

Swoop!

Definitely not as exciting as the four (Tervigon/Tyrannofex, Parasite of Mortrex, Harpy, Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord) we were rumored to be betting previously, and it contradicts what Harry and Hastings have said.

So we get to hope the next wave includes a codex?

At this rate, may as well. Been over two years since we've had anything for them.

And yet, ironically you can pretty much go buy a complete Dark Eldar or Blood Angel army.

Classy.

kirsanth wrote:So we get to hope the next wave includes a codex?

Yar.

kirsanth wrote:So we get to hope the next wave includes a codex?

No, Second wave refers to unreleased models included in the latest codex. The Dark Eldar second wave came out recently for instance, but there was no new codex.

Anyway if the box is just a Tervigon, I don't see why a Tyrannofex component could be in there too. GW loves multi-part plastic kits that can be used for 1 of 2 models lately.

In any regard I suppose attaching Daemon Prince Wings and Barbed Stranglers to Tervigons is the best one can do for a harpy =(

Give me anything!
It's been such a long time, the codex has been so unsupported and we have been pissed on so badly by the FAQ's and lack of information or false rumors that I will be ecstatic to get a Failcost Ymgarl let alone a Tervigon.

A Tervigon? Tyranid love? Dat's da sh*t right der bro!

Harriticus wrote:

kirsanth wrote:So we get to hope the next wave includes a codex?

No, Second wave refers to unreleased models included in the latest codex. The Dark Eldar second wave came out recently for instance, but there was no new codex.

Ok.

So you agree with me?

Harriticus wrote:

kirsanth wrote:So we get to hope the next wave includes a codex?

No, Second wave refers to unreleased models included in the latest codex. The Dark Eldar second wave came out recently for instance, but there was no new codex.

It was a joke. Implying that we aren't going to get a second wave, or any other new models, until a new codex drops.

I would laugh/cry if they drop the Tervigon out of the next codex.

That's going to be really disappointing if that's all we are getting.

A Tervigon is honestly water in the desert for Tyranids if you ask me. It's not everything they need, but it's at least the thing they need most.

Well at least we are getting the long awaited Tervigon and Thunder Wolves...I wish they would release the rest of the Tyranid line, but its obvious these releases are just to stop Chapterhouse from getting money.

Brother SRM wrote:A Tervigon is honestly water in the desert for Tyranids if you ask me. It's not everything they need, but it's at least the thing they need most.

Pretty much this. Tyranid players deserve more, but at least they're getting the unit that's needed. Afterall, they could release the Harpy instead.

Thought I'm betting the Harpy is being held back for that IG wave that's meant to include the Hydra. Good time to kick Tyranid players in the teeth. Release their sub-standard flyer and the IG vehicle perfectly suited to killing it in the same month.

The Tervigon better look good for me to buy anymore. I already have 3 of the chapterhouse converted ones. I was hoping for a Harpy or Tyranofex model. v.v

Something to remember is, as someone already said, this is very likely to be a dual kit. Maybe even this mythical new monster with WD rules. GW doesn't do big monster kits that aren't dual kits anymore if there's something else in the book that can go on the sprue. I wouldn't be shocked if it was a Tyrannofex either.

A dual kit would be indeed better.

tervigon/tyranofex

shrike/mortrex

venomthrope/zoanthrope (should be like that!)

I'd prefer to see reasonably priced plastic Hive Guard in 3-packs, rather than a Tervie, personally.

kshaw2000 wrote:tervigon/tyranofex

shrike/mortrex

venomthrope/zoanthrope (should be like that!)

Shrikes are totally different than the Parasite of Motrex. What would be the point of a Fast attack slot, combined with a single HQ choice in a Dual Kit?

You can do shrikes now, all you need is Warriors+Forgeworld wings. Done.

Ian Sturrock wrote:I'd prefer to see reasonably priced plastic Hive Guard in 3-packs, rather than a Tervie, personally.

With Rending Claws, Boneswords and Lashwhip bits to make plastic Tyrant Guard too please. :p

Ian Sturrock wrote:I'd prefer to see reasonably priced plastic Hive Guard in 3-packs, rather than a Tervie, personally.

And I'd prefer real multipose gants or stealers, but Tervigon has been long expected and it's coming at last.

*shrugs* as much as i wish this were true, i cannot accept that Nids will get anything from GW

darknightwing wrote:The Tervigon better look good for me to buy anymore. I already have 3 of the chapterhouse converted ones. I was hoping for a Harpy or Tyranofex model. v.v

Two niche units that are widely regarded as somewhere between "highly situational" and "awful" are not as important as a Tervigon. Also, it's pretty much a given that the GW Tervigon will look better than the Chapterhouse one. The pervading rumor has been that it's a dualkit with the Tyrannofex anyway, and given GW's propensity for such things in the past few years, I wouldn't be surprised by it.

I'm just ready to see some leaked WD pictures by now.

Sasori wrote:I'm just ready to see some leaked WD pictures by now.

Hovering over the thread link and briefly seeing the words 'leaked WD pictures' sent my excitement through the roof...

All I can say is disappointment.

Brother SRM wrote:The pervading rumor has been that it's a dualkit with the Tyrannofex anyway, and given GW's propensity for such things in the past few years, I wouldn't be surprised by it.

Aye, I would be surprised if it's not a dual kit. The Tyrannofex seems to make the most sense, but various rumour mongers (such as Stickmonkey) have claimed it could be something else, like the rumoured transport unit. Some even claim it would be a dual kit with the Hive Tyrant or Harpy, but I seriously doubt that as they don't share the same general body type required for a dual type.

garrapignado wrote:

Ian Sturrock wrote:I'd prefer to see reasonably priced plastic Hive Guard in 3-packs, rather than a Tervie, personally.

And I'd prefer real multipose gants or stealers, but Tervigon has been long expected and it's coming at last.

How much more multipose can they make gaunts and genestealers? The only extra posability humanoid units have is torsoe/legs, which allows you to twist them at the waist. This isn't something that would really add anything to gaunts or Genestealers.

Gaunts and Stealers have fine kits, these are the first complaints I've seen about them other than "Gaunts' feet break sometimes"

Sometimes?!?!

Pffft.

I may have more hormagaunts with broken ankles than without.

What the hell do people do to Hormagaunts to have their ankles broken? Short of having a fine game of cricket, using them as the ball.

If all you're doing is moving them around a table, there's no reason for their ankles to break.

-Loki- wrote:What the hell do people do to Hormagaunts to have their ankles broken? Short of having a fine game of cricket, using them as the ball.

If all you're doing is moving them around a table, there's no reasin for their ankles to break.

Maybe people press them too hard against the table when they move them? I think that's the problem right there, but the Hormaguants really are too fragile because of the pose.

I had a friend break 4 Hormagaunts once when he was assembling them. I don't get how.

I move them by picking them up by the shoulders or tail and never had issues with their ankles while assembling or painting.

Guess I'm just gentle with my models.

-Loki- wrote:What the hell do people do to Hormagaunts to have their ankles broken? Short of having a fine game of cricket, using them as the ball.

If all you're doing is moving them around a table, there's no reason for their ankles to break.

When the slot is a bit tight in the base it can cause fractures I've found.

Likewise, if one escapes the table or shelves and a friend happens to step on it...poor Gaunt is good as gone. At least SMs are rather chunky and easy to repair in that regard.

I admit I had issues with the slot being a bit of a tight fit, but I just used a knife to scrape the inside of the slot to make it fit better.

And really, if someone steps on any model, it's going to break to peices. I stepped on a Dark Eldar warrior, and it broke at the ankles, knees, waise, neck, shoulders, elbows and wrists.

It never got put back together.

It's only some of the Hormagaunts that have the issue of snappy ankle, same as battlesuits and the sponsons on marine tanks....just a poor design overall.

But otherwise they are a solid kit, that stands the test of time.

Holy crap, was he suffering from severe arthritis? How do you break a model at every joint at once?

Perhaps I should stop mentioning their ankles and blame the fact that I have foam + soft case for carrying them.

They are the only real casualties though.

Surtur wrote:Holy crap, was he suffering from severe arthritis? How do you break a model at every joint at once?

Did you miss the part where I said I stepped on it?

I actually stepped back, so all my weight was on the ball of my foot as I stepped on it. Sounded like I was standing on a pile of rice bubbles.

So according to Darnok's bird, we will see paints, tervigon and Wolves in March and the preorder end of March??
He even insists on "end of March".
Doesn't make sense. Esp. as stores were told to expect info on new paints end of March, so paints will be likely in April.
And the Hive tyrant gone indicates a new Hive tyrant box soon.

Here some more confusing and contradicting rumours, we will see next week what is true:

BramGaunt wrote:Darnok,
Preorders for all of this are supposed to go up at the 25th of february, since that's GWs big Party surprise. 25 Years of 40k, paints, and two kits for two armies? Here we go!
(...)
March's product is the new paint range. Thunderwolves and the Tervigon are more like a bonus, not an actual release.

BramGaunt, so is this all for Tyranids this year?

I honestly don't know. With that much ready for release as the R-team already told us, I seriously doubt that's all the chitin and claws we'll see thins year. Though it may also mean they are aiming for new Codex in the nearer future? But that's only speculation on my side.
(...)
As far as I know, and please take it with salt, the shades of all colors currently available will remain the same, only names and quality change. I only got this second-handed, though, so please don't take it for granted.

straightsilver wrote:Well I am not sure about Thunderwolves, doesn't mean they aren't coming, just that I haven't heard about them yet.

However I am pretty sure there will be some new 40K goodies to go up on pre-order on 25th Feb.

Tyranids is a distinct possibility.

Last I heard the Tervigon would be a dual kit with a previously unheard of beastie which would get rules in WD (like the Eldar Night Spinner).

It's quite possible that this could be the WD on 25th, which is the March one?

If the Tervigon gets released then there is no reason to hold back Thunderwolves so they could feature in the same WD but go up for pre-order later.
(...)
AFAIK there will be releases for a couple of 40K armies in the March WD which goes on sale 25th Feb, so we should see some pics in thenext week or so.

I had it as 'Nids and 'Crons, but it is just as possible there might be some Space Wolf stuff coming, if so it has been kept very quiet.

stiggie wrote:My local store told me about the new store layout plans (or whatever their proper term is).

He was told that on it he had to make space for 3 different large (tank/trygon) sized spaces for tyranids. It didn't have any info on what they were etc just that he had to make space for them, So I Doubt there's just the tervigon coming out for nids...

BramGaunt wrote:I don't want to destroy hope and I definatly don't say "there won't be any more kits than the Tervigon", but stores are usually requiered to present new boxes multiple times. Just saying, fingerscrossed for more then one!

You're a page late Kroothawk

-Loki- wrote:

Surtur wrote:Holy crap, was he suffering from severe arthritis? How do you break a model at every joint at once?

Did you miss the part where I said I stepped on it?

I actually stepped back, so all my weight was on the ball of my foot as I stepped on it. Sounded like I was standing on a pile of rice bubbles.

No I caught that, I've just never seen a model break that severely. Was it one of the old spikdar?

kirsanth wrote:So we get to hope the next wave includes a codex?

BramGaunt wrote:I seriously doubt that's all the chitin and claws we'll see thins year. Though it may also mean they are aiming for new Codex in the nearer future? But that's only speculation on my side.

I was kidding.


Although. . . /ponder

Editing the quote:
Ooops, sorry Kroothawk.

-Loki- wrote:You're a page late Kroothawk

Not really. I read your post that quoted two lines, then added my comment of scepticism and the dozen other lines you didn't quote

BTW, tomorrow I will finish my third non-GW tervigon and my two non-GW tyrannofexes, with a fourth non-GW Tervigon and Nemesis on the way
Won't stop me to buy the GW models though if they are decent.

@kirsanth: Please check your quotes on who said what

Surtur wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

Surtur wrote:Holy crap, was he suffering from severe arthritis? How do you break a model at every joint at once?

Did you miss the part where I said I stepped on it?

I actually stepped back, so all my weight was on the ball of my foot as I stepped on it. Sounded like I was standing on a pile of rice bubbles.

No I caught that, I've just never seen a model break that severely. Was it one of the old spikdar?

Yeah, one of the old Dark Eldar warriors from the 3rd edition starter.

The Anticipation is killing me. I miss our early WD leaks...

Yeah, I'm getting antsy. I was planning on dropping an order at Dicebucket in a couple of weeks for a pair of Trygons, but if the Tervigon is a dual kit with a Tyrannifex, I might have to change that for one Trygon and a pair of Tervigons.

I'm guessing that the Tervigon will be a dual kit with WD new monster, which I am also guessing is a Horvigon
There, I called it!

Original rumour was the new beast 'fills a gap the Tyranids always had'. The only gap they've had in 40k is a ground transport, now that Rupture Cannons add long range anti tank.

Who knows, maybe the trygon will actually be a tri set with all 3! D: Clever GW, I see what you did there.

sn0zcumb3r wrote:I'm guessing that the Tervigon will be a dual kit with WD new monster, which I am also guessing is a Horvigon
There, I called it!

All that would require is a new entry in WD, and say 3 pieces of spawning Hormagaunts instead of Termigants. I can see it happening.

-Loki- wrote:I admit I had issues with the slot being a bit of a tight fit, but I just used a knife to scrape the inside of the slot to make it fit better.

And really, if someone steps on any model, it's going to break to peices. I stepped on a Dark Eldar warrior, and it broke at the ankles, knees, waise, neck, shoulders, elbows and wrists.

It never got put back together.

Honestly, I've stepped on my Hormagaunts a few times and they've survived unscathed.

I'm surprised that everyone is talking about the fragility of the Hormagaunts when the bigg(er/est) issue I've had with them in their lack of balance. My Tippygaunts were the main reason I ended up putting 1" washers underneath every model I own.

-Loki- wrote:Original rumour was the new beast 'fills a gap the Tyranids always had'. The only gap they've had in 40k is a ground transport, now that Rupture Cannons add long range anti tank.

Hive Guard also fill that anti-light-tank role.

Regardless, the Tyranid transport really is the niche/archetype that Tyranids (proudly?) always had. Damn the armor, send bodies over bullets.
I hope that the rumor you're talking about isn't one of those BoK or ghost21 rumors.

sn0zcumb3r wrote:I'm guessing that the Tervigon will be a dual kit with WD new monster, which I am also guessing is a Horvigon
There, I called it!

You wouldn't be the first to suggest a Horvigon, as I did the same back on page 18 of this thread and I actually came across the concept at Warp Shadow. That being said a Tervigon/Horvigon/Tyrannofex kit would make since.

To be honest, converting a Tervigon to a Horvigon-ish-thing would be a tremendously simple conversion. Even if GW were planning on making WD rules for it (unlikely), it would be a welcome but unnecessary set of bits in the Tervigon ket.

The Tervigon model is mostly needed because all the potential conversions end up looking like a fat Carnifex or a legged Trygon. The lack of distinguishing bits is a huge problem. Converting a Termie-Factory into a Hormie-Factory wouldn't look too odd.

Absolutionis wrote:Regardless, the Tyranid transport really is the niche/archetype that Tyranids (proudly?) always had. Damn the armor, send bodies over bullets.
I hope that the rumor you're talking about isn't one of those BoK or ghost21 rumors.

it was started by the White Dwarf editor who mentioned it at games day. Pretty sure it wasn't ghost21 or BoK that expanded on it either.

Earthbeard wrote:It's only some of the Hormagaunts that have the issue of snappy ankle, same as battlesuits and the sponsons on marine tanks....just a poor design overall.

But otherwise they are a solid kit, that stands the test of time.

Yeppers XV-8 suit ankles suck big time. Mine usually broke in my carrying case. I swear every singe one I owned in my army had a pin through the ankle and leg. I got real good at aiming my pin vice though, and using GS/putty to fill in the drill holes I umm miscalculaited on.

Again - I had a friend who played Tau a lot in 3rd edition, and had almost a dozen suits of various configurations as well as Broadsides. He transported them in a carbord box between layers of egg crate foam. In 2 years of heavy gaming, none of them ever snapped at the ankles.

-Loki- wrote:Again - I had a friend who played Tau a lot in 3rd edition, and had almost a dozen suits of various configurations as well as Broadsides. He transported them in a carbord box between layers of egg crate foam. In 2 years of heavy gaming, none of them ever snapped at the ankles.

He is the exception, not the rule. Do you know if he pinned the ankles? The battlesuits (especially broadsides) are notorious for it, as their ankles are very thin. While hormagaunts might have issues with it, it's one 6 point model that comes in a box of a dozen - not a single prolific figure that costs like $25 a piece. I've broken the ankles on more than one battlesuit, and I've only played my own Tau once in the 5+ years I've been in this hobby.

Depends on the plastic formula generation... some plastics are softer others are snap easy etc... Ussually the clearer old plastics did snap a lot.

-Loki- wrote:What the hell do people do to Hormagaunts to have their ankles broken? Short of having a fine game of cricket, using them as the ball.

If all you're doing is moving them around a table, there's no reason for their ankles to break.

Mine doesnt break at the ankle, they break at the point between the "hoof" and the slotted tab.

And its not breaking from gaming, its from transporting in GW foam cases.

Brother SRM wrote:

-Loki- wrote:Again - I had a friend who played Tau a lot in 3rd edition, and had almost a dozen suits of various configurations as well as Broadsides. He transported them in a carbord box between layers of egg crate foam. In 2 years of heavy gaming, none of them ever snapped at the ankles.

He is the exception, not the rule. Do you know if he pinned the ankles? The battlesuits (especially broadsides) are notorious for it, as their ankles are very thin. While hormagaunts might have issues with it, it's one 6 point model that comes in a box of a dozen - not a single prolific figure that costs like $25 a piece. I've broken the ankles on more than one battlesuit, and I've only played my own Tau once in the 5+ years I've been in this hobby.

Yep the Tau suits always snap at the ankle.

Its from pressure and twisting motion from the foam cases. something Loki's friend's cardboard doesnt have issue with.

Anyone that owned battle suit would know how easily it snaps when the base gets "moved" even 2 mms, snaps the ankle right away.

I once snapped off part of the plastic bar that fits into the base on a gaunt. I bade a stand to make it loook like it was midair.
bear in mind it was one of my first (therefore worst) models.

As far as I understand from this thread, the Tyranid 2nd Wave is rumored to have snapped Tau ankles in it.

When a rumor thread is exhausted of rumors, it gets alittle bit OT :3

Yeah, but I get so excited when this thread is at the top of the forum with a new page of comments.

Sowwy :'/ good thing I didn't start that discussion :'P

My crisis suits never break, but I have got a few second hand ones that all needed new ankles.

LunaHound wrote:
Yep the Tau suits always snap at the ankle.

Its from pressure and twisting motion from the foam cases. something Loki's friend's cardboard doesnt have issue with.

Anyone that owned battle suit would know how easily it snaps when the base gets "moved" even 2 mms, snaps the ankle right away.

Classic internet myth. The Crisis sprue was fixed in 2006.

Much like my dog.

Absolutionis wrote:As far as I understand from this thread, the Tyranid 2nd Wave is rumored to have snapped Tau ankles in it.

Current rumour: We will only be getting Tervigons, Thunderwolves and new paints come March (maybe even late March). Unsure about anything else, still waiting for leaked WD photos.

-Loki- wrote:

garrapignado wrote:

Ian Sturrock wrote:I'd prefer to see reasonably priced plastic Hive Guard in 3-packs, rather than a Tervie, personally.

And I'd prefer real multipose gants or stealers, but Tervigon has been long expected and it's coming at last.

How much more multipose can they make gaunts and genestealers? The only extra posability humanoid units have is torsoe/legs, which allows you to twist them at the waist. This isn't something that would really add anything to gaunts or Genestealers.

To be fair, I dont think Gaunts will have much of a different pose from one another, arent they all essentially exact copies of one another, bar Biomorphs?

1.) Please don't spam this Tyranid rumour thread with Tau modelling issues. Confirmations of the 2nd wave are just a week away.
2.) Personally I don't think we will get just the Tervigon dual kit and that paints will be released in March. This is just one anonymous birdy getting some things wrong.

Kroothawk wrote:1.) Please don't spam this Tyranid rumour thread with Tau modelling issues. Confirmations of the 2nd wave are just a week away.
2.) Personally I don't think we will get just the Tervigon dual kit and that paints will be released in March. This is just one anonymous birdy getting some things wrong.

I am puzzled. Confirmations? That would mean in fact it would be happening. Didn't they say it would be February? Then March, but only one mini? So I can't see that as a 2nd wave if it's only one mini.

So have I missed something about these "confirmations"?

Next week is the last Saturday of the month, when the new White Dwarf comes out, and advance orders are usually announced.

YOU DARE DEFY KROOT? HERESY.

I still think, we get a Tervigon/Tyrannofex plastic dual kit, a Hive tyrant plastic kit, a Harpy plus Space Wolves in March.
And paints and Empire army book in April.
This is in line with other rumours by straightsilver and Harry (while the rumour on paints in March also insists that preorders start end of March )

straightsilver wrote:AFAIK there will be releases for a couple of 40K armies in the March WD which goes on sale 25th Feb, so we should see some pics in thenext week or so.

I had it as 'Nids and 'Crons, but it is just as possible there might be some Space Wolf stuff coming, if so it has been kept very quiet.

stiggie wrote:My local store told me about the new store layout plans (or whatever their proper term is).

He was told that on it he had to make space for 3 different large (tank/trygon) sized spaces for tyranids. It didn't have any info on what they were etc just that he had to make space for them, So I Doubt there's just the tervigon coming out for nids...
(...)
I'm not sure what boxes/layouts are like in other stores but at mine every large box is portrait (to take up less shelf space).

The store member hates the fact GW never tells him anything about releases Etc so he doesn't say much at all in regards to things he finds out so he didn't mention anything about other armies but Gw staff never do unless like with the nid boxes, they need to re-arrange things to make space for their release.

I know it isn't much but it's proof that theres more than just one box coming out for the tyranids very soon and might as well contribute to warseer instead of just taking everything on here lol.

Kroothawk wrote:I still think, we get a Tervigon/Tyrannofex plastic dual kit, a Hive tyrant plastic kit, a Harpy plus Space Wolves in March.
And paints and Empire army book in April.
This is in line with other rumours by straightsilver and Harry (while the rumour on paints in March also insists that preorders start end of March )

From your mouth to God's ears!!!! What are your thoughts on the Hive Tyrant box giving us 4x swords and / or wings?

I admit, I'm getting my hopes up for a real second wave, with some nifty rules in WD.

As they say, "Hope for the best, plan for the worst."

I really don't want to wait another week though.

fleetofclaw wrote:What are your thoughts on the Hive Tyrant box giving us 4x swords and / or wings?

Wouldn't make much sense to not include them in a freshly designed box. Has been done in the Daemon Prince box. But I have no specific information about it until WD release next week.

Considering "Plan for the worst": I just finished my third non-GW Tervigon and two non-GW tyrannofexes, waiting for a fourth tervigon and second Nemesis to arrive
Won't stop me to buy GW models if they are half decent though.

I'm planning for the best, wallet wise... but also knowing that I'll likely spend that money on something else.

lord_blackfang wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Yep the Tau suits always snap at the ankle.

Its from pressure and twisting motion from the foam cases. something Loki's friend's cardboard doesnt have issue with.

Anyone that owned battle suit would know how easily it snaps when the base gets "moved" even 2 mms, snaps the ankle right away.

Classic internet myth. The Crisis sprue was fixed in 2006.

Its personal experience, why the heck do you think I made my Tau suit into Orks? because it keeps breaking
and its easier to mask Ork trashy style.

Where did you get the info from that it was "fixed" how did they "fix" it?

darknightwing wrote:The Tervigon better look good for me to buy anymore. I already have 3 of the chapterhouse converted ones. I was hoping for a Harpy or Tyranofex model. v.v

Same.

If they release a tervigon/tyrannofex kit, I will likely buy two, but if it's a tervigon exclusive kit, I will not give them a dime. They shafted us for over 2 years on the tervigon so those of us who built our own may as well keep using our own conversions since we spent money on the bits doing it.

If the Tyranid 2nd Wave does include a White Dwarf model I will actually buy a copy of the magazine (my first ever) and the mini, provided the model and rules are any good.

This next week can't go by fast enough.

Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:If the Tyranid 2nd Wave does include a White Dwarf model I will actually buy a copy of the magazine (my first ever) and the mini, provided the model and rules are any good.

This next week can't go by fast enough.

If this is true, why do I have the feeling they didn't publish as many copies, so it will seem like WD is sold out again and people will need to get a subscription to get all these "awsome" updates.

Davor wrote:
If this is true, why do I have the feeling they didn't publish as many copies, so it will seem like WD is sold out again and people will need to get a subscription to get all these "awsome" updates.

That's one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories I've ever heard related to GW stuff. The issue will be sold out because it actually has content and your local store only orders X issues usually.

Brother SRM wrote:That's one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories I've ever heard related to GW stuff.

I doubt that.

Just saying.

I suspect (but have no evidence beyond my intuition) that we'll see a finecast biovore as well as the tervigon/tyrannofex kit, and probably a new hive tyrant too. Just a feeling.

Maybe it will be a plastic combi-kit with pyrovore/T-fex. You either build the pyrovore as normal or build it and insert it into the top of a large carapace/body with a hole so it can act as the rupture cannon upgrade.

Pyrovore's are much smaller then Tyrannofex's. Really a Tervigon/T-Fex kit is the only one that would make sense as they're extremely similar looking creatures (both about the same size, both on 4 legs, both the same frame, etc.).

Really excited for this!

I hope there's a Tyrannofex/Tervigon kit. I probably wouldn't immediately get one, but loads of people would, and it's hardly a big ask. A plastic Hive Tyrant/Harpy would be cool as well.

Do you reckon they might do 3 packs of stuff like Lictors, similar to what they've done with Raveners?

I highly doubt that we'll see a Hive Tyrant/Harpy combo kit since the codex describes the Harpy as something very similar to a winged Trygon. Size alone makes the two highly unlikely to be made from the same kit.

I was kidding about the pyrovore/T-fex! And though I don't intend to buy a tervigon kit I do think it is one of the most important missing models and should be a combo tervigon/T-fex.

For me to even consider buying any new nid kits before 6th edition, I would want to see a tyrant wing sprue (with swords for Swarmlord) and a warrior/shrike wing sprue with boneswords/lashwhips. Also a mycetic spore pod.

Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:I highly doubt that we'll see a Hive Tyrant/Harpy combo kit since the codex describes the Harpy as something very similar to a winged Trygon. Size alone makes the two highly unlikely to be made from the same kit.

True. But a Plastic Hive Tyrant Kit complete with wings isn't unlikely, so why not stick a Harpy in there too?

Tbh, I'm not bothered about this, I doubt I'd ever use a harpy

The Shadow wrote:True. But a Plastic Hive Tyrant Kit complete with wings isn't unlikely, so why not stick a Harpy in there too?

But it has a vastly different body type and size, if they stay true to the codex fluff. There were some early rumours the Harpy models could come with a Harpy variant with WD rules (Close combat Harpy? Transport Harpy?), but it's been quiet on that front for a while so I wouldn't put too much stock into it.

Tbh, I'm not bothered about this, I doubt I'd ever use a harpy

Not that they're a terrible unit currently, but if 6th edition comes with flyer rules anything like that 'leaked playtest rulebook', I can see a big increase in usefulness.

The Shadow wrote:I doubt I'd ever use a harpy

While true, by now many (most?) people that have played since even the codex release have already created their own versions of the models they will use.

Blast it! Can't stop. Keep checking this thread knowing that pics could post at any moment:p

jspyd3rx wrote:Blast it! Can't stop. Keep checking this thread knowing that pics could post at any moment:p

Same as me. Not holding my breath at all. When Tyranids 2nd wave come out, I don't think I will even care anymore. It will be like, oh well. Too little too late.

This second Tyranid wave is beginning to feel like the all of the recent rapture stories/promises here in the bible belt of the US. But golly gosh I really want to believe in a 2nd wave.

It's the new Dark Eldar update.

Sidstyler wrote:It's the new Dark Eldar update.

Can't be, the Dark Eldar update actually happened

Redemption wrote:

The Shadow wrote:True. But a Plastic Hive Tyrant Kit complete with wings isn't unlikely, so why not stick a Harpy in there too?

But it has a vastly different body type and size, if they stay true to the codex fluff. There were some early rumours the Harpy models could come with a Harpy variant with WD rules (Close combat Harpy? Transport Harpy?), but it's been quiet on that front for a while so I wouldn't put too much stock into it.

Tbh, I'm not bothered about this, I doubt I'd ever use a harpy

Not that they're a terrible unit currently, but if 6th edition comes with flyer rules anything like that 'leaked playtest rulebook', I can see a big increase in usefulness.

A Harpy variant that spawned Gargoyles would be useful, and boost sales of another kit in the process.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

Redemption wrote:

The Shadow wrote:True. But a Plastic Hive Tyrant Kit complete with wings isn't unlikely, so why not stick a Harpy in there too?

But it has a vastly different body type and size, if they stay true to the codex fluff. There were some early rumours the Harpy models could come with a Harpy variant with WD rules (Close combat Harpy? Transport Harpy?), but it's been quiet on that front for a while so I wouldn't put too much stock into it.

Tbh, I'm not bothered about this, I doubt I'd ever use a harpy

Not that they're a terrible unit currently, but if 6th edition comes with flyer rules anything like that 'leaked playtest rulebook', I can see a big increase in usefulness.

A Harpy variant that spawned Gargoyles would be useful, and boost sales of another kit in the process.

I bet they'd call it a Tarpygon.

That is a cool idea on paper though. Can't the Harridan do that already though or does it just hold Gargoyles like a transport?

MajorWesJanson wrote:

Redemption wrote:

The Shadow wrote:True. But a Plastic Hive Tyrant Kit complete with wings isn't unlikely, so why not stick a Harpy in there too?

But it has a vastly different body type and size, if they stay true to the codex fluff. There were some early rumours the Harpy models could come with a Harpy variant with WD rules (Close combat Harpy? Transport Harpy?), but it's been quiet on that front for a while so I wouldn't put too much stock into it.

Tbh, I'm not bothered about this, I doubt I'd ever use a harpy

Not that they're a terrible unit currently, but if 6th edition comes with flyer rules anything like that 'leaked playtest rulebook', I can see a big increase in usefulness.

A Harpy variant that spawned Gargoyles would be useful, and boost sales of another kit in the process.

I would totally get something like that. That would be awesome, especially if it worked like the Tervigon for AD/Toxin. If it was Synapse and had some powers too? Just fantastic.

Gold Star sir.

theunicorn wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:It's the new Dark Eldar update.

Can't be, the Dark Eldar update actually happened

...which is...kind of the point. Since the DE update actually happened, the Tyranid 2nd wave is the new one. Get it? It's the next update that will never happen.

Sidstyler wrote:

theunicorn wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:It's the new Dark Eldar update.

Can't be, the Dark Eldar update actually happened

...which is...kind of the point. Since the DE update actually happened, the Tyranid 2nd wave is the new one. Get it? It's the next update that will never happen.

I'd go with "Plastic Sisters of Battle" as the expression myself.

Sidstyler wrote:

theunicorn wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:It's the new Dark Eldar update.

Can't be, the Dark Eldar update actually happened

...which is...kind of the point. Since the DE update actually happened, the Tyranid 2nd wave is the new one. Get it? It's the next update that will never happen.

theunicorn wrote:

Spoiler:

This. I've been debating posting that pic for a while.

That pic is the new tyranid spore mine. The Hive absorbed some old K-Tel staffers and adapted the mine to be flat on top and bottom so that it could stack more easily in the launch creature, like a K-Tel Patty Stacker.

MajorWesJanson wrote:A Harpy variant that spawned Gargoyles would be useful, and boost sales of another kit in the process.

Well now that is something I would actually buy. Why would I buy a Tevrigon when I have been using my 2 carnfex as "counts as" Tervigons. Been using them for so long don't need to use anything else.

No a Harpy variant that spawned Gargoyles? Now that would be an awsome site to behold and I would be buying lots of Gargoyles. I always envisioned a begining of a Tyranid attack wave of lots of Garglyles coming down from the skies. So I would so love to have a Harpy variant to spawn Gargoyles.

The Harridan would be that Harpy you are wanting. I can see them adding it for sixth edition if they add flyers and superheavies.

i must say, the fact that you are mentioning this harpy spawning gargoyles makes me very happy because i have written apoc rules for my own unit called the wyvern which is exactly that, i would like if they brought out a unit like this

Jd7 wrote:i must say, the fact that you are mentioning this harpy spawning gargoyles makes me very happy because i have written apoc rules for my own unit called the wyvern which is exactly that, i would like if they brought out a unit like this

Someone only suggested that it would be a useful unit, I don't think there are any actual rumors of such a thing.

Well, this thread went from "I wish there were a Hormagaunt-spawner" to "I wish there were a Gargoyle-spawner".

Either way, the Harridan is more of a transport anyways. It just has oddly convoluted rules as Forge World tried to figure out how to make a non-vehicle transport units.

As I said, there were rumours about a Harpy variant, but it's been quiet on that front for a while, so don't get your hopes up too much. Could just as much be an information mix-up with the rumoured Cerebore/Malifactor/'Transportofex' WD unit and the Harpy model.

If 'Nids are indeed next month, we should have confirmation by the end of the week when advance orders are put on the site, and the March issue of the White Dwarf is released (usually pics leak out somewhere halfway the week). We'll just have to wait and see.

Harpy variant would make sense purely because it would let them do a dual kit. GW seem reluctant to not do dual kits now.

Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord (not really a dual kit, but with rumoured wings and stuff, would be a very full sprue)
Tervigon/Tyrannofex
Harpy/new WD beast

Those would make sense. I don't recall anything specifically saying that the new beast would be on the Tervigon, and the transportofex really started as more of a wishlist idea (the original rumour was just Tyranids will get a new creature that fills a gap they never had). A transport Harpy would fill the same role, though in a more Tyranid way - especially if its flying and can deep strike, but then keep moving and offer fire support. Tyranids this edition seem to be all about different deployment typs mixing in the same army.

And while some rumour sources have said they don't expect the Tervigon/Tyrannofex to be a dual kit due to neither looking similar, remember, GW can do dual kits that make very different beasties. The Zombie Dragon/Terrorgheist kit uses key similar parts (legs, wings, torsoe) but still manages to make two very different looking models. If I didn't know they were a dual kit, I'd just think they were actually separate kits with the wings reused across both.

The finecast Hive Tyrant is back available on the site. :(


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Bobske on Warseer posted:

Just saw the product list at my game store (not gw)
here's what I remember
3 march
hive tyrant/swarmlord kit 42 eur (ordered 2, plastic
tervigon/tyrannofex kit 45,50 eur plastic (order 2, mt poor wallet)

plastic thunderwolves, 3 a box
plastic fenrisian wolves 5 a box
plastic wolf lord on thunderwolf 1 a box
arjac rockfist finecast
(wanted to order it all, but not enough money


oh and something to do with paints, which i didn't look at
and WHFB Hellcannon in finecast

I wonder if it's true, but does sound promising.

This doesn't sound overly right, but we are getting closer to the time. A Plastic Wolf Lord sounds like an off rumour to be honest.

What about all the finecasted stuff? There is bound to be a lot of stuff finecasted (Deathleaper, Wolves stuff etc) as they have disappeared from the website.

Im skeptical to be honest, but im all for it if its true.

@redemption
Hive Tyrant is not back up. He has only ever been down on the US site and remains that way till today

sn0zcumb3r wrote:@redemption
Hive Tyrant is not back up. He has only ever been down on the US site and remains that way till today

I meant he is available again. Even the EU sites listed him as 'no longer available' before today.

sn0zcumb3r wrote:@redemption
Hive Tyrant is not back up. He has only ever been down on the US site and remains that way till today

Well .. no, he wasn't on the British site either ....and he's back on the British site.

I don't remember the hive tyrant being a finecast, but it is still not up on the US site.

It has been finecast for almost a year now.

Real quick summary anyone? Missed the last 11 pages of this thread.

For the Death Leaper I'm seeing the message "Usually ships within 24 hours" And the Hive Tyrant is most certainly still M.I.A. here in the States.

Ratius wrote:Real quick summary anyone? Missed the last 11 pages of this thread.

Quick summary:

"Any info on the Nid second range?"

"nope!"

I did read on the Warseer thread though that the second wave is out March 3rd and will have a plastic hive tyrant and tervigon/tyrannofex dual kits as well as 4 or 5 space wolf kits (thunder wolves, fenrisian wolves, lord on a thunderwolf and arjac)

Suppose it'll have to do, thanks.

ghoulio wrote:

Ratius wrote:Real quick summary anyone? Missed the last 11 pages of this thread.

Quick summary:

"Any info on the Nid second range?"

"nope!"

I did read on the Warseer thread though that the second wave is out March 3rd and will have a plastic hive tyrant and tervigon/tyrannofex dual kits as well as 4 or 5 space wolf kits (thunder wolves, fenrisian wolves, lord on a thunderwolf and arjac)

Thanks !

THIS is all i keep checking this thread for

Yeah, the only thing I see under HQ is the Tyrant Guard.
edit: and... I missed the page-roll. Ah well.

So Tyranid second wave is mostly Space Wolves? [sarcasm]Awesome...[/sarcasm]

Hah, yeah. It seems that the rumored five kits for Tyranids ended up being five kits for Space Wolves. Even so, the tervigon is a relief.

More Space Marine kits.

Hands up who was surprised?

DarkStarSabre wrote:More Space Marine kits.

Hands up who was surprised?

Yes, how dare they release a kit that's intrinsic to many builds of an army two and a half years after its release.

Not to pour fire on the SW angst, but they have also been waiting a very long time for one of the most desirable units in the codex.

The Tervigon is the single most important, unreleased unit in the Tyranid list. That model alone will go a long way to appeasing nid players. It is a shame that they aren't releasing the parosite though.

At least we can all be thankfull that it's not another Dark Eldar release.

Brother SRM wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:More Space Marine kits.

Hands up who was surprised?

Yes, how dare they release a kit that's intrinsic to many builds of an army two and a half years after its release.

Not to rain on the Parade here, but you do realise that in theory 90% of SM kits can be utilised by just about every SM variant out there? I appreciate the wolves, fair enough but I look at it this way... Wolf Lord on Wolf? Not needed. A Wolf kit will suffice and people have been converting Canis long enough. Arjac? Not needed. Converting a SM SC isn't hard. Fenrisian Wolves? Nice, but again, not needed. I know Gobbo Wolf Rider Wolves aren't ideal but people have done with them or Chaos hounds for years now.

Still lacking Harpies. Still lacking a Swarmlord. Still lacking Bonesword/Lashwhip kits for Warriors.

This is the first bone GW have thrown Tyranids. Technically Wolves could have used any of the SM kits released and Wolfed them up a bit.

Meh.




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And with regards to Dark Eldar releases....

To be fair, their entire range was overhauled, top to bottom. I don't hold that against them to be honest as nothing else got overhauled that intensely in the most recent 2 editions!

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

DarkStarSabre wrote:More Space Marine kits.

Hands up who was surprised?

Yes, how dare they release a kit that's intrinsic to many builds of an army two and a half years after its release.

Not to rain on the Parade here, but you do realise that in theory 90% of SM kits can be utilised by just about every SM variant out there? I appreciate the wolves, fair enough but I look at it this way... Wolf Lord on Wolf? Not needed. A Wolf kit will suffice and people have been converting Canis long enough. Arjac? Not needed. Converting a SM SC isn't hard. Fenrisian Wolves? Nice, but again, not needed. I know Gobbo Wolf Rider Wolves aren't ideal but people have done with them or Chaos hounds for years now.

Still lacking Harpies. Still lacking a Swarmlord. Still lacking Bonesword/Lashwhip kits for Warriors.

This is the first bone GW have thrown Tyranids. Technically Wolves could have used any of the SM kits released and Wolfed them up a bit.

Not to rain on your parade here, but you essentially just said "LOL convert" and are saying that we shouldn't have to convert. Hypocritical much?

Name any item of SW or SM wargear apart from the conversion beamer (though technically FW have that covered now).

If you can't find it in the current SM range in plastic then I'd consider that a god given miracle. (Disclaimer: Servo Harness is probably the only snarky answer here.)

And if you have SW kits you will have plenty of spare SW bits left over for the sake of flavour. Otherwise I'm wondering what the hell you did with that many fething heads.

Now find me a Warrior sized Bonesword or Lashwhip without having to resort to OOP metal trawling on ebay. Hell, you can't get a sodding bonesword for a Tyrant on one side of the body.

Sure, you can convert. But some options would be nice even as a fething direct only resin bits pack.

Hey guys! Just got an e-mail from my local online shop here in Sweden with
release info on the 3:d of March

Hive Tyrant / Swarmlord, Plastic Kit
And
Tervigon / Tyrannofef, Plastic Kit

They quoted prices so it seems legit :-)

As well a few Space Wolf kits including
Space Wolves Thunderwolf Cavalry, 3fig. Plastic Kit
Space Wolves Fenrisan Wolfpack 5fig. Plastic Kit
Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf 1fig. Finecast
Arjac Rockfist, The Anvil of Fenris 1fig. Finecast

Just though I'd pass it along :-)

//Edge


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Sorry, just saw that e info was already out there :-/ Got a bit to exited :-)

//Edge

DarkStarSabre wrote:Name any item of SW or SM wargear apart from the conversion beamer (though technically FW have that covered now).

Wolves.

If you can't find it in the current SM range in plastic then I'd consider that a god given miracle. (Disclaimer: Servo Harness is probably the only snarky answer here.)

So... it's a god given miracle there's no Thunder/Cyber/Whatever wolves outside the one special character? Remember, there's also wolves as wargear, so using the single wolf model out there for them won't work.

Sure, you can convert. But some options would be nice even as a fething direct only resin bits pack.

Agreed. Won't ever happen, but agreed.

OnTheEdge wrote:

They quoted prices so it seems legit :-)

//Edge

You got these prices on hand?

OnTheEdge wrote:
Hive Tyrant / Swarmlord, Plastic Kit
And
Tervigon / Tyrannofef, Plastic Kit

They quoted prices so it seems legit :-)

As well a few Space Wolf kits including
Space Wolves Thunderwolf Cavalry, 3fig. Plastic Kit
Space Wolves Fenrisan Wolfpack 5fig. Plastic Kit
Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf 1fig. Finecast
Arjac Rockfist, The Anvil of Fenris 1fig. Finecast

Not enough for tyranids, IMO, but less is nothing. And about SW, is good to see that this important hole in the miniatures range is going to be filled.

RatWolf wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

They quoted prices so it seems legit :-)

//Edge

You got these prices on hand?

Boske listed the prices earlier:

'Nids:

Hive Tyrant / Swarmlord kit 42 euro

Tervigon / Tyrannofex kit 45,50 euro

Wolves:

3x Thunderwolf Calvary 43 euro

Wolf lord on Thunderwolf 33 euro

5x Fenrisian wolves 19,50 euro

Arjac 21 euro

Fantasy:

Hellcannon 45,50 euro

OnTheEdge wrote:Hive Tyrant / Swarmlord, Plastic Kit

OnTheEdge wrote:Plastic Kit

*Cue angels singing*

So tfex looks to be legit! Not gedtting too excited until I actualy it for sell, but I am indeed happy. No harpy makes me sad though... v.v

No new unit is going to make me sadder

My day is improved.

Two kits is better than one.

And with regards to 'wolves'.

These not good enough for you? You been using them the past however many years!

DarkStarSabre wrote:My day is improved.

Two kits is better than one.

And with regards to 'wolves'.

These not good enough for you? You been using them the past however many years!

Thunderwolves are the main one.

You said "convert canis" but that is a 50 dollar HQ model you'd have to buy...per guy. That, or there are the third-party ones that are nice. That being said, lash whip/bone sword have third party versions as well, and have for a while. Same with tervigon conversion kits.

And under the same logic:

Tervigons? Convert one from a Carnifex, people have been doing it forever.
Swarmlord? Convert one from a hive tyrant.

I know there's this deep seeded marine hate people seem to have...but look at it from the other side as well. I've seen plenty of an "easy" conversion for tervigons and swarmlords, just as much as I've seen conversions of thunderwolves. But both need/deserve some appropriate model you can just buy, assemble, and play with.

This is not the thread to whine about Space Marine releases.
Let's celebrate the announcement of two new kits (including the Swarmlord BTW) and keep on buying the rest from non-GW sources (including 4-5 for boneswords).

Aye, if the list rings true, we at least get models for 3 units and a special character. And other models have been rumoured, so perhaps they'll follow soon after in a few months.

I'll believe it when I see it. I'm also interested to see what the Hive Tyrant looks like. It'll be GW's fourth Hive Tyrant kit (not including FW kits)... I wonder if Jes did it?

Why 5 wolveS and not 10? I hope it's 5 wolves in the same sort of box as the Gretchin. A Death Company/Grey Knight style box (with the price) would be horrendous.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'll believe it when I see it. I'm also interested to see what the Hive Tyrant looks like. It'll be GW's fourth Hive Tyrant kit (not including FW kits)... I wonder if Jes did it?

Why 5 wolveS and not 10? I hope it's 5 wolves in the same sort of box as the Gretchin. A Death Company/Grey Knight style box (with the price) would be horrendous.

I bet you $50 they are finecast and will be super expensive (like $35-$50 canadian)

The prices are on the previous page: they're 5 plastic wolves for 19,50 euro, which is the same price as the current Grot artillery pieces, if you want to compare currencies.

Arjac.. oh hell, if his model is any good I'll be picking up Wolves in March.

Redemption wrote:

RatWolf wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

They quoted prices so it seems legit :-)

//Edge

You got these prices on hand?

Boske listed the prices earlier:

'Nids:

Hive Tyrant / Swarmlord kit 42 euro

First price they quoted is a price drop. It has to be fake.

No really, super happy if these are true. My Dicebucket order is going to change though. Maybe Tyrant, Tervigon, Trygon or Tyrant, 2 Tervigons (so I can make a Tyrannofex).

-Loki- wrote:

Redemption wrote:

RatWolf wrote:

OnTheEdge wrote:

They quoted prices so it seems legit :-)

//Edge

You got these prices on hand?

Boske listed the prices earlier:

'Nids:

Hive Tyrant / Swarmlord kit 42 euro

First price they quoted is a price drop. It has to be fake.

No really, super happy if these are true. My Dicebucket order is going to change though. Maybe Tyrant, Tervigon, Trygon or Tyrant, 2 Tervigons (so I can make a Tyrannofex).

If it's finecast to plastic, it MAY be a price drop.

I was trying to be sarcastic (GW never drops prices! and stuff). I realize what would affect the price drop.

-Loki- wrote:I was trying to be sarcastic (GW never drops prices! and stuff). I realize what would affect the price drop.

It's hard to read that kind of Sarcasm over the internet.


I'll probably order 2 Tyrannofexes and 3 Tervigons. I already have 3 Hive Tyrants, the Kit would really have to "WOW" me, to order any of those.

If the HT resembled the FW ones, then I would certainly purchase one. I personally hate the current rendition.

wyomingfox wrote:If the HT resembled the FW ones, then I would certainly purchase one. I personally hate the current rendition.

Really? I'm on the complete opposite spectrum. I think the ones we have right now look pretty great!

Redemption wrote:Boske listed the prices earlier:

'Nids:

Hive Tyrant / Swarmlord kit 42 euro

Tervigon / Tyrannofex kit 45,50 euro

Wolves:

3x Thunderwolf Calvary 43 euro

Wolf lord on Thunderwolf 33 euro

5x Fenrisian wolves 19,50 euro

Arjac 21 euro

Fantasy:

Hellcannon 45,50 euro

Can someone help a Canadian brother out please? What are equivalent price points for these kits? Taking a quick look at GW's site for existing figs, I don't see any at the Tervigon and Tyrant prices.

Edit: OK, after a closer look at the website, the Tervigon is the same price as the Trygon kit. Which I was expecting. But haven't found a match og the Tyrant yet.

Just got a newsletter from a very very trustworthy source that there going to be a plastic Hivetyrant/swarmlord and Tyrranofex/tervigon. =)

Sasori wrote:

wyomingfox wrote:If the HT resembled the FW ones, then I would certainly purchase one. I personally hate the current rendition.

Really? I'm on the complete opposite spectrum. I think the ones we have right now look pretty great!

Yeah, alot of players like the current rendition. For me it is way too tall and bulky, too similar in design to a carnifex, and has a phalic on its head.

I like the FW models. They are smaller, sleeker, more compact and more graceful; exactly what I picture a highly intelligent, alpha preditor should look like.

whoadirty wrote:Can someone help a Canadian brother out please? What are equivalent price points for these kits? Taking a quick look at GW's site for existing figs, I don't see any at the Tervigon and Tyrant prices.

Tyrant seems to be a new price point (somewhere between the Carnifex and Trygon). Tervigon is the Trygon price point.

Not much difference between the prices of the swarm lord and tervi box... either one is to small or the other to big... both do seem quite expensive.

NAVARRO wrote:Not much difference between the prices of the swarm lord and tervi box... either one is to small or the other to big... both do seem quite expensive.

Keep in mind you are also paying for a ruleset, if we were paying for the plastic alone and not the rules, we'd be paying $10 tops for landraiders.

Swarmlord is very powerful so thats why its expensive. The tervs and tfexes, well be buying multiples of so thats why they arent jacked in price

-Loki- wrote:

whoadirty wrote:Can someone help a Canadian brother out please? What are equivalent price points for these kits? Taking a quick look at GW's site for existing figs, I don't see any at the Tervigon and Tyrant prices.

Tyrant seems to be a new price point (somewhere between the Carnifex and Trygon). Tervigon is the Trygon price point.

Thanks Loki. I was (stupidly) looking in the SM section for equivalents even though I had been suspecting the Tervigon kit would run the same price as the Trygon.

Today is a sad day for my wallet (Tyrant kit, Tervigon kit x2-3, TWC kit) but a happy day for my plastic soldier loving soul.

I'm fortunate that right now, I don't need a Hive Tyrant. I'm fine with my winged Forgeworld Tyrant, and when I get normal Tyrant, it'll be a Forgeworld one again. I'll be using the GW plastic for my Swarmlord, which I just don't need right now.

A pair of Tervigon kits and a Carnifex will do for now. Dicebucket is getting my money though.


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Cryage wrote: The tervs and tfexes, well be buying multiples of so thats why they arent jacked in price

What prices are you looking at? They're the same price as the Trygon, which is only one band away from Land Raider cost. They're pretty expensive.

Is that hellcannon going to be a new plastic kit, or the metal one in fine cast? If it is plastic I'll have to find some way to use one with my CSM.

Rbb wrote:Is that hellcannon going to be a new plastic kit, or the metal one in fine cast? If it is plastic I'll have to find some way to use one with my CSM.

Old model in Finecast.

That's a shame. A plastic one would've been great (and easy to turn into an Iron Warrior siege gun/'counts as' Thunderfire).

mikhaila wrote:

Rbb wrote:Is that hellcannon going to be a new plastic kit, or the metal one in fine cast? If it is plastic I'll have to find some way to use one with my CSM.

Old model in Finecast.

Seeing as the hell cannon has around thirty pieces, that means about 100% of the fine cast kits are gonna have something miscast. Oh, well... thunder wolves! Yay!

wyomingfox wrote:If the HT resembled the FW ones, then I would certainly purchase one. I personally hate the current rendition.

Really? The FW one is kinda small and reeks of third edition. I would assume the new kit will look an awful lot like the existing Finecast/metal one.

I love my clown tyrant...

NAVARRO wrote:Not much difference between the prices of the swarm lord and tervi box... either one is to small or the other to big... both do seem quite expensive.

I'd say both are 2 tank sprues like the trygon. Hive Tyrant may have wings, while Tervigon is bulkier. Tyrant on a 60mm base, Tervigon on large oval. Tervigon price is same as the Trygon, while the Tyrant drops a tad in price from the current model.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Not much difference between the prices of the swarm lord and tervi box... either one is to small or the other to big... both do seem quite expensive.

I'd say both are 2 tank sprues like the trygon. Hive Tyrant may have wings, while Tervigon is bulkier. Tyrant on a 60mm base, Tervigon on large oval. Tervigon price is same as the Trygon, while the Tyrant drops a tad in price from the current model.

Tyrant kit will likely include the Monstrous Creature Weapon sprue that comes with Carnifex kits and old Tyrant kits.

I might have to buy a Tyrant/Swarmlord kit, and I don't even play Tyranids. If it's well done, it will be awesome.

Absolutionis wrote:

MajorWesJanson wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Not much difference between the prices of the swarm lord and tervi box... either one is to small or the other to big... both do seem quite expensive.

I'd say both are 2 tank sprues like the trygon. Hive Tyrant may have wings, while Tervigon is bulkier. Tyrant on a 60mm base, Tervigon on large oval. Tervigon price is same as the Trygon, while the Tyrant drops a tad in price from the current model.

Tyrant kit will likely include the Monstrous Creature Weapon sprue that comes with Carnifex kits and old Tyrant kits.

Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if they fit it on one main sprue. They're getting pretty good at using white space on the sprue. The main body, legs, tail and head could easily only take up half the sprue, with the wings, bone sabres, lashwhip, alternate head and alternate tail taking up the other half. Just throw in the monstrous creature weapon sprue and it's a good'un.

Round of mead for both armies, we have had to wait for so long for stuff we needed. Gonna get a ton of fenrisian wolves. Hope the TWC look better than the Canis sculpt.