Personally I like the old armorcast spore and have managed to find 3 so far. Until an official release or finding more armorcast ones, I use 6" Easter eggs. It really quite colorful battlefeild after the 7th one drops!

darknightwing wrote:Personally I like the old armorcast spore and have managed to find 3 so far. Until an official release or finding more armorcast ones, I use 6" Easter eggs. It really quite colorful battlefeild after the 7th one drops!

Those are still available directly from Armorcast: http://armorcast.com/store/index.php?cPath=120_37&osCsid=9902bb4d17155930fabcdd85c83c12ca

Deadshot wrote:@N.I.B

Trygons can be actually quite good with a Tervigon, as long as it has Onslaught.

Seriously, a psychic power that allows it to shoot 6 Str 5 AP 5 shots at 12", followed by a run and assault? From as WS 5, Str 6, Int 4 MC with 6 attacks and rerolling hits? With the Prime firing twice as many shots? Plus the Birthed gants.


Mate, at short range that combo is lethal. And for less than you might think. About 400pts but it seems like it should be more.

Oh man, your Investment in Onslaught (with the added cost of the FNP that your Nosavigon is NOT casting this turn and the S5 large blast marker your Tervigon now CAN'T shoot this turn) cast on your Trygon has just turned in 0.67 dead Marines in the shooting phase! THAT'S SO FREAKIN AWESOME!

Was my sarcasm thick enough for the message to get through?

Onslaught is great - on Hive Guards and getting aura buffs into position. Not on Trygons.

Yeah. I was think more about the fact you are casting a movement power on a static unit.

Onslaught was made.for Trygons and to a.lesser extent, raveners.


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I just hope the nids get some face time on the.GW webpage, and.not all.wolves.

I've run trygon primes to great success. When you pick up 18 dice and say "I gots dis many shots " and your opponent looks like you just shot his dog, you know you did something right. Just deepstrike them. I usually wind up unloading into the rear armor of a tank of some sort, but pray to the Emperor should you be running devastators.

Surtur wrote:I've run trygon primes to great success. When you pick up 18 dice and say "I gots dis many shots " and your opponent looks like you just shot his dog, you know you did something right. Just deepstrike them. I usually wind up unloading into the rear armor of a tank of some sort, but pray to the Emperor should you be running devastators.

If you pick up 18 dice while shooting with a Trygon Prime, I'd ask where you got those 6 extra dice. Then you know you've done something wrong.

If you're really into rolling tons of dice, nothing much beats Termagants with Devourers (Devilgaunts). Tactically questionable, but for the price of a Trygon Prime, you get 24 Devilgaunts for a total of 72 shots. If you're really that into deep striking, shove 20 Devilgaunts into a spore pod for a nice 60 devourer shots and 6 whips all for the exact same cost as a Trygon Prime... as troops... and enables you a troops Tervigon.

puma713 wrote:

Marrak wrote:Any images of the lashwhips and bonesword kits yet?

Two pages back.

...dang those do look nice.

Those are still available directly from Armorcast: http://armorcast.com/store/index.php?cPath=120_37&osCsid=9902bb4d17155930fabcdd85c83c12ca

Jaysus thats a sweet find, thanking you!
Just hope shipping dosent kill me.

The Armorcast ones (middle) are really tiny, the old Epicast (right) is fine if you find them on ebay. On the left the one by Crusader Casting:

While I have the Crusader casting ones there are some downsides... namely the price of shipping to the US was almost the same as a single pod, if not more (been a while).

I'm glad to see the armorcast is tiny, because frankly it also looks the most bland for me. The maxmini one probably has the most character, and IMO fits the current tyranid aesthetic. The CH one does zip for me, but then I've not been a fan of much of their Tyranid stuff.

Kroothawk wrote:The Armorcast ones (middle) are really tiny, the old Epicast (right) is fine if you find them on ebay. On the left the one by Crusader Casting:

The big one on the right is the one I am refering to. One of my 3 still had a box and instructions for use, both of which said Armorcast not Epicast. I am not sure the difference in the two old companies, but I am sure at least one of mine is from Armorcast.

Well done GW. Very impressive work as always.

So the only thing really (Harpy is presumably a simple kitbash with the tyrant kit) missing now is the spore pod?

As an owner of the Maxmini spore... It's just too small. I think the final cast is a bit smaller than Lokis picture. The Carnifex doesn't look like it can fit in, certainly not 20 termagants or genestealers and even the zoathrope model is taler that it. It also weights a ton, but that is to be expected of resin

Again - scale isn't an issue. The space Marine drop pod certainly cannot fit 10 Space Marines or a Dreadnought inside it. A rhino cannot fit 10 Space Marines in it. A Crusader cannot fit 8 Terminators in it.

Transports very, very rarely ever actually are in the right scale in 40k.

Also, if you want to get pedantic, if a mycetic spore was to scale, it would need to also be able to fit 9 Tyranid Warriors. Mycetic spores are now not to scale unless the size of a Land Raider.

I disagree on the scaling with the Maxmini pod.

Looking at the artwork, the spore shows a carnifex crawling out, and it's barely bigger than the Carni. Now, as the fex stands, it's roughly the same size. The arms and legs could easily be folded up and curled into a fetal position, basically making the spore a glorified shell to let it survive reentry, and then lash at whatever gets close enough for it to reach before it dies. Gaunts could be stacked up but it'd be a tight fit. The warriors... yea that ain't happening but then again, transport scale isn't a big issue in 40k. But outside of the warriors, the rest could fit into it... just not comfortably.

But last I checked, Tyranid's weren't really all that concerned for the long term (or short term... or really any term) comfort of their critters.

Absolutionis wrote:

-Loki- wrote:My main problem with the CH pod is it looks like a... specific part of the female anatomy. Covered in smaller ones. With tentacles emerging from them.

I'm not entirely sure why that's a bad thing. It's not realistic enough to be tastless.

I find it endearing.

Regardless, I still think Navarro should have done his other Spore design for CH.

I think the female anatomy parts are appropriate. They are a nod to H. R. Geiger's xenomorph alien design and scenery from the movie. Since nids are a nod to these same designs, it only makes since that they keep the look up. Go watch Alien, there is female anatomy everywhere in that movie as well as male anatomy as well.

Marrak wrote:I disagree on the scaling with the Maxmini pod.

Looking at the artwork, the spore shows a carnifex crawling out, and it's barely bigger than the Carni. Now, as the fex stands, it's roughly the same size. The arms and legs could easily be folded up and curled into a fetal position, basically making the spore a glorified shell to let it survive reentry, and then lash at whatever gets close enough for it to reach before it dies. Gaunts could be stacked up but it'd be a tight fit. The warriors... yea that ain't happening but then again, transport scale isn't a big issue in 40k. But outside of the warriors, the rest could fit into it... just not comfortably.

But last I checked, Tyranid's weren't really all that concerned for the long term (or short term... or really any term) comfort of their critters.

Sounds about right. I can't picture guants sitting inside the pod and listening to CCR or anything. They would be be stacked in there very tightly like what you would see in a spider's egg nest.

I'm surprised you guys are so eager to pay $57.75 per pod for an official GW model. Spores are pretty easy to make yourself. I made mine outta gourds.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Building_mycetic_spores_outta_gourds

I honestly bought 3x of these ($9.99 each)

Primed the base black and painted it scorched brown and highlighted it red (like its a rock bottom that heated up coming into orbit) then the top part I primed white and splashed with the sepia wash (the brown one... forget what the first word in that wash is... starts with a "G" lol) so it looks fleshy.

Works well enough

Cryage wrote:I honestly bought 3x of these ($9.99 each)

Primed the base black and painted it scorched brown and highlighted it red (like its a rock bottom that heated up coming into orbit) then the top part I primed white and splashed with the sepia wash (the brown one... forget what the first word in that wash is... starts with a "G" lol) so it looks fleshy.

Works well enough

That is what I got too. But they had a fleshy opening in the front and more fantasy like in appearance with the dragons.

Lord Scythican wrote:

That is what I got too. But they had a fleshy opening in the front and more fantasy like in appearance with the dragons.

You probably got the plasma hatcher, this guy right here:



They had a VERY limited run in Canada and I couldnt find any, and when I tried to ebay them they were being sold for $40... probably snatched up by 40k fans to be sold for slowed mark ups (it was after BoW's "Nid week" where they suggested it).

Only vendors I found that sold them online as well were all UK and would not ship to canada :(

That being said, there were some sick conversions done, even this is in the dakka library

Marrak wrote:I disagree on the scaling with the Maxmini pod.
Looking at the artwork, the spore shows a carnifex crawling out, and it's barely bigger than the Carni. Now, as the fex stands, it's roughly the same size. The arms and legs could easily be folded up and curled into a fetal position, basically making the spore a glorified shell to let it survive reentry, and then lash at whatever gets close enough for it to reach before it dies.

+1. When thinking about how Tyranids fit into pods, think about the movie "Alien" and how the Alien curls himself into small spaces in the escape pod.

When sculpting the Armorcast non-Tyranid drop pod (which was actually a licensed Warzone Dark legion drop pod) my thought was that it could hold 10 curled up Stealers/Gaunts/Gargoyles or three Lictors/Warriors. It was sculpted before there were rules for 'Nid drop pods in 40K, so there was no way to figure out how big it needed to be.

In the current background, the Armorcast pods could be used as stealthy (smaller) seeding swarm pods.

And sailing off topic a bit, I posted some 'Nid drop pod thoughts on Warpshadow a while back:

As far as we know for fluff all Tyranid organisms on a planet arrive in Mycetic Spores. Presumably unit types in the Tyranid army list that do not have the Mycetic Spore option have arrived on the planet well before the battle begins. This means that there are spores that we have not seen yet in rules OR fluff.

Taking a look at the page on Tyranid Invasion Patterns on page 147 of Apocalypse, we see three different illustrations of Mycetic Spores; a small one for Primary Incursion, a medium sized one for Synapse Swarm and a large one for the Heavy Assault Wave.

Primary Incursion
Small/Scout/Infiltration Mycetic Spores
A smaller, stealthier Spore could be used for the Primary Incursion. It would dissolve completely after landing to leave no sign of its arrival. The smaller Spores would have lower capacities: Ten Stealers or Gaunts, three Warriors.
(?)Units arriving in Incursion Spores can combine into larger units up to the normal Codex maximums.(?)


Synapse Swarm
Standard pods: Mycetic Spores
These are the Mycetic spores from the Tyranid Codex.


Heavy Assault Wave
Large pods: Gargantuan Mycetic Spores
The Heavy Assault Wave includes: Heirodules, Heirophants, Domanatrixes, Tygons, Haruspexes, Exocrines, Malefactors and Dactyli.
Obvously the standard Codex Mycetic Spore is not large enough to carry any of these larger (presumably Gargantuan) creatures, so there must be a larger Mycetic Spore type that has not been described in the fluff. I propose two sizes of Gargantuan Mycetic Spores; a "small" one that can carry one each of Heirodule, Trygon, Haruspex, Exocrine, Malefactor or Dactylis and a larger one that can carry one Heirophant or Domanatrix or three of the smaller gargantuan creatures.


There are also other differences between different types of spores. The Mycetic Spore in the Mycetic Assault Storm (page 152 Apocalypse) behaves differently than the Codex Spore in that it provides a 5+ cover save until the next turn, then it dissolves into goo. Compare this to the Codex Spore which remains (at least through the end of the game) and is armed.


New sizes of Mycetic Spores (primarily for use in Apocalypse games)

Infiltration Mycetic Spore: 20 points
No weapons options, provides a 5+ cover save until the next turn

Gargantuan Mycetic Spore: 50 points
Will carry one Gargantuan creature
Same Weapons options as Codex Spore

Large Gargantuan Mycetic Spore: 80 points
Will carry three Gargantuan creatures or one Heirophant or Domanatrix
Same Weapons options as Codex Spore

How would those Tervigons look with Carnifex Ctushing Claws?

Like a T-Rex

They had a VERY limited run in Canada and I couldnt find any, and when I tried to ebay them they were being sold for $40... probably snatched up by 40k fans to be sold for slowed mark ups (it was after BoW's "Nid week" where they suggested it).

Only vendors I found that sold them online as well were all UK and would not ship to canada :(

That being said, there were some sick conversions done, even this is in the dakka library

ive got about 8 of these but that one is lovely. i was decorating mine with the tyranid bits that came in 4th edition 40k boxset

Absolutionis wrote:

Surtur wrote:I've run trygon primes to great success. When you pick up 18 dice and say "I gots dis many shots " and your opponent looks like you just shot his dog, you know you did something right. Just deepstrike them. I usually wind up unloading into the rear armor of a tank of some sort, but pray to the Emperor should you be running devastators.

If you pick up 18 dice while shooting with a Trygon Prime, I'd ask where you got those 6 extra dice. Then you know you've done something wrong.

If you're really into rolling tons of dice, nothing much beats Termagants with Devourers (Devilgaunts). Tactically questionable, but for the price of a Trygon Prime, you get 24 Devilgaunts for a total of 72 shots. If you're really that into deep striking, shove 20 Devilgaunts into a spore pod for a nice 60 devourer shots and 6 whips all for the exact same cost as a Trygon Prime... as troops... and enables you a troops Tervigon.

Because it's a monstrous creature with an assault 12 and an assault 6 weapon both S5 AP5. MCs allow you to fire two weapons.

It's not necessarily the tons of dice aspect, so much the single model accounting for so many dice being thrown has a shock value on the opponent. Also I'm still slowly building those millions of guants I have. Tedious little things.

Surtur wrote:Because it's a monstrous creature with an assault 12 and an assault 6 weapon both S5 AP5. MCs allow you to fire two weapons.

Might want to reread your entry.

Yeah.....The prime replaces the weapon the standard trygon has. He doesn't get it in addition to....

Looks like a pretty good wave of sculpts. The new Nids will surely be populating my FLGS soon.

Surtur wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:

Surtur wrote:I've run trygon primes to great success. When you pick up 18 dice and say "I gots dis many shots " and your opponent looks like you just shot his dog, you know you did something right. Just deepstrike them. I usually wind up unloading into the rear armor of a tank of some sort, but pray to the Emperor should you be running devastators.

If you pick up 18 dice while shooting with a Trygon Prime, I'd ask where you got those 6 extra dice. Then you know you've done something wrong.

If you're really into rolling tons of dice, nothing much beats Termagants with Devourers (Devilgaunts). Tactically questionable, but for the price of a Trygon Prime, you get 24 Devilgaunts for a total of 72 shots. If you're really that into deep striking, shove 20 Devilgaunts into a spore pod for a nice 60 devourer shots and 6 whips all for the exact same cost as a Trygon Prime... as troops... and enables you a troops Tervigon.

Because it's a monstrous creature with an assault 12 and an assault 6 weapon both S5 AP5. MCs allow you to fire two weapons.

Trygon Primes do not retain the old Bio-electric pulse. They replace the assault 6 version with the assault 12 version, they don't get both.

Good looking stuff.

To tell the truth, I'm quite surprised how little I find myself caring. I want to give a damn about this release, but to me nids need more then a few poorly scheduled/released kits.

SoI

Soul of Iron wrote:Good looking stuff.

To tell the truth, I'm quite surprised how little I find myself caring. I want to give a damn about this release, but to me nids need more then a few poorly scheduled/released kits.

SoI

Same here.

I've already converted a Tervigon and I hardly ever want to use the one in lieu of tGenestealer, Warriors, or Hormagaunts. I love playing with those units.

I already have two converted Tyrannofexes.....

I already have a walking tyrant, a winged tyrant, and a Swarmlord.

The only thing I'm slightly tempted to get is a plastic Flyrant because I think the model with the serpentine tail is pretty neat, but I'm not sure if I want to get it because it's such a poor choice in game.

Tzeentchling9 wrote:... The only thing I'm slightly tempted to get is a plastic Flyrant because I think the model with the serpentine tail is pretty neat, but I'm not sure if I want to get it because it's such a poor choice in game.

Exactly. It's hard enough trying to find cover for just a few of our big bugs. The flygrant will be blasted out of the air in one turn in my store. I love the model, but nids need more then new kits.

SoI

i think alot of people are in this boat...its been so long since the dex release with no sniff of the much needed models, most have converted their own, or play other armies. this little minor release, while nice only really helps someone either just starting or planning on starting a bug army - or somebody who wants the legit models in favor of their own conversions or scratchbuilds. all in all, imho poor form on GW end. even the SW stuff is kind of in the same boat.

Because the topic of a possible delay due to the Chapterhouse lawsuit came up on Warseer and was immediately debunked as rubbish by the mods over there, straightsilver (the original source of that rumour) answered this:

straightsilver wrote:Concerning the Chapterhouse lawsuit, I would be the person concerned who first bought it to light.

Unfortunately my original comments were cut and pasted from DakkaDakka and spread like wildfire, and in many cases I was misquoted.

Essentially I was told over a year ago, by a very, very reliable source (who shall remain unnamed) that certain kits were being held back by GW as there were concerns regarding the Chapterhouse lawsuit.

GW had been advised that because they had not released physical representations of Thunderwolves, Tervigon, Tyrannofex, Doom etc that third parties who already had could contest ownership.

GW have never released a Thunderwolf model, they have released Canis Wolfborn, and as such own the rights to a model caleed Canis Wolfborn, but had not yet released Thunderwolves.

There was a fear that releasing these models after other third party manufacturers (not just CHS) would weaken their case against Chapterhouse.

The most contentious of these models being the Doom of Malantai, Tervigon and Thunderwolves.

However it is no coincidence that several months ago GW hired a new IP lawyer, who now advises them on exactly these kind of issues, and it is obvious that their legal advisors have said it's ok to release these models.

It's not a coincidence that Thunderwolves and the Tervigon have been released simultaneously just before the case gainst Chapterhouse goes to trial.
(...)
I reckon it will be at least a year if not longer before we get any resolution on that, if any resolution can ever be met as it looks as though neither side is willing to back down.

However I expect that GW is keen to win this (not that I'm saying that they will, I think they have made some howling errors tbh) if only because of license deals like the one for the Hobbit.

But I expect ChapterHouse and all the other third party companies will be trading for the forseeable future.
(...)
The general concensus (Edit: From people I know at GW HQ) is that these originally weren't going to be released together, but the schedule got messed up by some bad legal advice, and GW have been waiting for an opportunity to release them ever since.

They were well aware of the feeling of the community towards either not being released and a few months ago decided to add them into the Feb / March schedule as "birthday presents" for 40k fans.

Branderic wrote:It irks me that you say there is a general consensus that the Nids were delayed for legal reasons, so I must post that I dissent from this opinion.

Hi Branderic,

No worries, I have edited my post for clarity, but I agree that not everybody will agree with my perception of what has gone on, I am just passing on rumours that I hear when I vist Lenton, as I have friends there.
(...)
I am 99% sure it's (i.e. the Harpy)coming, and will be on the oval flying stand, roughly between Razorwing and Valkyrie size.

Almost all of the new Codexes will have flyers in, and those that do will get a model, at some point.

Branderic wrote:If 6E has flyer rules that would be an excellent time to release the Harpy. Just sayin...

DarthSpader wrote:i think alot of people are in this boat...its been so long since the dex release with no sniff of the much needed models, most have converted their own, or play other armies

Don't mistake Dakka and Warseer as the greater buying base of GW. There's more people playing that don't even know that message boards exist than post on them. There's far more people out there that have no idea things like the chapterhouse exist than have even seen it on a site. There's going to be plenty of people buying these models.

-Loki- wrote:

Surtur wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:

Surtur wrote:I've run trygon primes to great success. When you pick up 18 dice and say "I gots dis many shots " and your opponent looks like you just shot his dog, you know you did something right. Just deepstrike them. I usually wind up unloading into the rear armor of a tank of some sort, but pray to the Emperor should you be running devastators.

If you pick up 18 dice while shooting with a Trygon Prime, I'd ask where you got those 6 extra dice. Then you know you've done something wrong.

If you're really into rolling tons of dice, nothing much beats Termagants with Devourers (Devilgaunts). Tactically questionable, but for the price of a Trygon Prime, you get 24 Devilgaunts for a total of 72 shots. If you're really that into deep striking, shove 20 Devilgaunts into a spore pod for a nice 60 devourer shots and 6 whips all for the exact same cost as a Trygon Prime... as troops... and enables you a troops Tervigon.

Because it's a monstrous creature with an assault 12 and an assault 6 weapon both S5 AP5. MCs allow you to fire two weapons.

Trygon Primes do not retain the old Bio-electric pulse. They replace the assault 6 version with the assault 12 version, they don't get both.

OK I see what it is now. Containments spines are a weapon that's not a weapon, but an upgrade that's in addition to a weapon. Did Jeremy Vetock write this rule and entry?

Surtur wrote:OK I see what it is now. Containments spines are a weapon that's not a weapon, but an upgrade that's in addition to a weapon. Did Jeremy Vetock write this rule and entry?

Just Cruddace. As usual.

Based on the trends in Tyranid models, I expect the Harpy to be ~65 dollars and MASSIVE.

Traceoftoxin wrote:Based on the trends in Tyranid models, I expect the Harpy to be ~65 dollars and MASSIVE.

In other words, worthless. Trygons are hard to get cover saves with now. Put one up on a oval flight stand and you'll never get one. And the rules for the Harpy don't lend it to taking when it's that easy to shoot.

If the leaked 6th ed ed rules keep the targeting rules about ignoring wings and Tails then it could be said that the trygon is the worst designed model ever because the body if elevated by a Tail that should be ignored for targeting purposes, combined with the fact that the torso is in a very rigid / standing at attention pose.

Quite possibly the worst case of modeling for a disadvantage ever.

Not sure how the sprues are going to look, but when I build a T-fex, I reckon the spare belly from the tervigon might just make a good "door"/ basis for a myetic spore?

Soul of Iron wrote:

Tzeentchling9 wrote:... The only thing I'm slightly tempted to get is a plastic Flyrant because I think the model with the serpentine tail is pretty neat, but I'm not sure if I want to get it because it's such a poor choice in game.

Exactly. It's hard enough trying to find cover for just a few of our big bugs. The flygrant will be blasted out of the air in one turn in my store. I love the model, but nids need more then new kits.

SoI

I know. I go to the same store. *Points at signature*

Lots of high res pictures, and even some new ones, can be found here:
http://spanish-team.com/foro/viewtopic.php?t=735&start=6105

^ Thanks for the link!

Wolves and Flyrant look really great. Wolves are Trish Carden sculpts.

As much as everyone likes to rag on her, those are some damn nice wolves, nice dynamic sculpts in 5 different poses which should make a bunch of them look really great together.

Which makes them all the more impressive.

Damn it - why do I like the TWC models? I shouldn't!!!


Heh, cool picture... and... feth me the Tervigon/Tyrannofex is huge!!!

Some nice pics in there - will definitely be getting a copy of this white dwarf!

I'm assuming the battle report will be Nids vs Space Wolfs, though it will have to be a very large game if they want to show off all the nice new minis

I can't read Spanish so I'll ask what may be a dumb question:

Are we 100% certain that the new Flyrant kit comes with the necessary parts to make a bog-standard plastic walking Tyrant? I ask because in that big ol' comparison chart I've got up there the regular Tyrant looks exactly like the metal one.

I mean, they've done metal-to-plastic before with no real change in how the model looks, but I want to be certain.

We'll know tomorrow when preorders go up, won't we?

Tomorrow hey? Hmm...

Got birthday money in.

Enough for a Tervigon which is good as I really had no plans for Tyrannofexes (Seriously, my Heavy Support options tend to be Trygons and Biovores. If I feel exotic I will muck with Carnifexes).

I'll just have to save up for Tervigon 2 (Which is also good as I tend to mono-Tervigon at the best of times).

And money left over for food and things!

Are you sure the size comparison are accurate? I have those models and Carnifex + Tyrant arnt anywhere near that tiny to Trygons.

Also my god Arjac you are so ugly, its like Hindu monk in Power Armor....

H.B.M.C. wrote:I can't read Spanish so I'll ask what may be a dumb question:

Are we 100% certain that the new Flyrant kit comes with the necessary parts to make a bog-standard plastic walking Tyrant? I ask because in that big ol' comparison chart I've got up there the regular Tyrant looks exactly like the metal one.

I mean, they've done metal-to-plastic before with no real change in how the model looks, but I want to be certain.

If it can make the Swarmlord surely it includes regular walking parts.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Heh, cool picture... and... **** me the Tervigon/Tyrannofex is huge!!!

Yes that scale photo just sold me too...now I'm buy'em even though I have all of them and enough of them converted.

I don't think they are coming out with any...


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H.B.M.C. wrote:Are we 100% certain that the new Flyrant kit comes with the necessary parts to make a bog-standard plastic walking Tyrant?

Well, I am

The new pictures appear to show the Thunder Wolves indeed have saddles and that there are bionic leg options.

The manager of my local GW just put this on FaceBook...
"OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I HAVE JUST READ MY WHITE DWARF AND YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO GET SPOILED ROTTEN THIS MONTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ITS AMAZING!"

I had to restrain myself from listing the new stuff XD

Argh, trying not to be tempted by all this.............

Yup, the size of the T-fex and Tervigon kits confirms it - My carnifex conversions are 1/2 the size of a 'gw standard' Tervigon. This means for me (and probably lots of others) who play semi-competitively that we all need to buy the new kit, so our models are legally sized and not 'modeled for advantage'. Normally I'd be po'ed about having to replace models but this time i'm not for a couple reasons:

My 'nids are largely shelved for the time being; i can update my collection one at a time and more slowly than if they were my main force.

The conversions were made mostly from carnifexes I already had purchased. 2 Were new purchases. But those were 2 years ago so it's been awhile since i've bought any big nid beasties.

And finally, the kits are so frickin' beautiful. When it is all said and done I will end up with 3 tervigons and 2 tyrannofexes. Just not all at once. Well done, GW, you found a way to get me to buy models from the worst of my 3 armies.

RiTides wrote:Argh, trying not to be tempted by all this.............

Send me your money so you won't be tempted.

Tetris: make them stand on rocks to match the height, and I don't think anyone would really have an issue.

Kanluwen wrote:Tetris: make them stand on rocks to match the height, and I don't think anyone would really have an issue.

I'll reiterate the third point i made: the kits are so good looking that I don't want to field my carnifex conversions. They don't do the model justice. If i were unable to afford the models or needed more in a pinch I'd certainly use my converted ones. However, I will be buying the new kits greatly for the aesthetics.

Just started painting my 'Nids. Really excited for this!

When is the supposed official announcement date?

Tomorrow, most likely.

Does this mean that all the cool new stuff is enough for Tyranid players to overcome the perceived weaknesses in the codex and go at bugs again all gunz blazing?

notprop wrote:Does this mean that all the cool new stuff is enough for Tyranid players to overcome the perceived weaknesses in the codex and go at bugs again all gunz blazing?

No. Most people were proxying/converting anyway - so lack of models wasn't holding us back.
It just means that people like me that suck at the modeling side now get some pretty toys!

notprop wrote:Does this mean that all the cool new stuff is enough for Tyranid players to overcome the perceived weaknesses in the codex and go at bugs again all gunz blazing?

What if the weaknesses aren't just perception, but are real?

I'd really appreciate a measurement of the height of the new ones as soon as someone gets their mitts on them, just so I can start looking for suitable-sized rocks. (My T-fexes are actually very low to the ground at the moment -- long and low, built around the gun.)

I thought it was the 3rd of march!

H.B.M.C. wrote:

notprop wrote:Does this mean that all the cool new stuff is enough for Tyranid players to overcome the perceived weaknesses in the codex and go at bugs again all gunz blazing?

What if the weaknesses aren't just perception, but are real?

You can not confound me with your tricky wordplay Dark Knight, just sup up your bug kits like a good rummy!

kshaw2000 wrote:I thought it was the 3rd of march!

That's when they are released. They'll probably put them up for advance order tomorrow or early next week.

Redemption wrote:

kshaw2000 wrote:I thought it was the 3rd of march!

That's when they are released. They'll probably put them up for advance order tomorrow or early next week.

I hope it's tomorrow. I'm eager to get a look at every individual release in detail.

Models look cool, hard to imagine the tyrannofex supporting it's massive bulk on those two front scyths though, looks a little weird.

Been advised definately up for tomorrow

Is it just me, or does the Spanish version come up with the coolest-sounding versions of some character/unit names:

Ulrik el Matador
Lukas El Tramposo
Bjorn Garra Implacable

And, of course...

El Senor de la Horda...

...and Death Leaper becomes Silent Death in Spanish.

Dysartes wrote:Is it just me, or does the Spanish version come up with the coolest-sounding versions of some character/unit names:

Ulrik el Matador
Lukas El Tramposo
Bjorn Garra Implacable

And, of course...

El Senor de la Horda...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

notprop wrote:Does this mean that all the cool new stuff is enough for Tyranid players to overcome the perceived weaknesses in the codex and go at bugs again all gunz blazing?

What if the weaknesses aren't just perception, but are real?

Then the weaknesses are Inception.....

EDIT: Should probably put something pertaining to the topic into this. Love the new models for both SW & Bugs, easily some of my favorite units in-game due to sheer awesomeness in concept. Space Vikings Riding Giant Wolves and Flying Giant Boss Raptor Bugs? Things are about to get crazy up in here.

For the Brits interested, theHive Tyrant will be approx. £36 and the Tervigon/T fex will be about £38.

Thinking the Tervigon will be more £36 - same price as a Trygon.

Hive Tyrant may be a bit cheaper but with the amount of extra stuff likely not.

Try coverting 42.25 euros, for the tyrant into GBP. Here


http://www.xe.com/ucc/

It.comes tk just under 36 pounds. Th tervigon costs more and comes to 38/39 pounds.

Deadshot wrote:Try coverting 42.25 euros, for the tyrant into GBP. Here


http://www.xe.com/ucc/

It.comes tk just under 36 pounds. Th tervigon costs more and comes to 38/39 pounds.

Now do it with the US dollar prices posted earlier.

HT comes in around £33.
Tervigon comes in around £36.

Don't forget the regions vary a little and never match up exactly.

Plus a £36 Tervigon would be on par with.... the Trygon, Arachnarok and Stonehorn which are similar sized to it.
A £33 HT would be on par with the more recent Cygor/Ghorgon for Beastmen.

And the Dreadknight.

I think it will be 36 GBP. Because it was last time.

It may have been rendered in cheaper plastic but now comes with everything it did before and flyrant wings and tail and swarmlord head and arms.

The HT is the only one we seem uncertain about then - as it honestly is a lot more stuff BUT isn't Finecast so could in theory be cheaper. If it stayed the same, fair enough.

But the Tervigon/Tyrannofex I see being £36 to match the trend of the big dual critters.

We might even get lucky and find both to be cheaper - the Cygor/Ghorgon was cheaper than the other dual critters and the Dreadnight is cheaper too, but comparable in size to them.

The dreadknight didn't have as.much variation. It had different right hands, heads and tilt plates and that's it.

However the Cygor/Ghorgon kit has a significant amount more. There's also not a huge amount of variation between the Trygon and the Mawloc to be honest. Head, tail, different Talon option. Certainly nothing near the Carnifex in terms of components.

I suppose we're just going to have to wait an hour and a bit to see what they decide.

Hive Tyrant will cost = £32.50

Tyrannofexigon will cost = £35.00


So Sayeth Maelstrom Games Preorder Page ^^!

So that translates to 33 and 36 in GW terms.


They like

20.50
25
28
31
33
36
41
45
61.50


In GBP for their models. There are exceptions but few.

I will only be able to get one.

BUT WHICH ONE?

God damn, the choice is too hard.

Get the Tyrant and a 60mm base. Glue the walking legs to one and the flyrant tail to the other. Blutack or magnetise the heads, arms and the torso-waist joint.


Now you have any of the 3!!

I can only get one.

As I have my own converted Swarmlord with Falchions instead of sabres, no less than 4 other Tyrants and never plan of fielding a T-fex in my life....

I shall be making a Tervigon.

Then I can save up for Tervy number 2.

We got a sneak peek at the UK White Dwarf... almost certain the Tervigon/T'Fex is £35. If not, £36. Was too busy ogling the photos to really make a note of the prices.

Dropped in to the GW store later, it is hilarious how the staff are not even allowed to respond to questions. I kind of like how they're buttoned down so tight,.

In case anyone doesn't know, you can order tomorrow for delivery or collection in store on March 3 (UK). The bone swords etc are direct order only..

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

They're up. £33 for the Tyrant, £35 for the Tervigon/Tyrannofex. Shock!

$53.75 for the Tyrant? I sense a new pricing archetype

Also from the Red Terror

The Red Terror makes an excellent centrepiece for a unit of Raveners. Alternatively it could be used as a Tyranid Prime equipped with an abundance of scything talons.

Bah

since they're up on the website does that mean the White Dwarf is in stores now?

Sprue pics:















Also nice 360 degree animations.

Good gravy, that Swarmlord looks sexy!!

Swarmlord Sabre arms look like they're going to be a royal pain in the back end.

Those bone plates are SEPERATE. And likely tiny and prone to getting lost.

Hrm... my master plan isn't working out. I wanted to try and magnetize the Terv/Tyran to be able to swap them out.

Looking at plastic Hive Tyrant: YESS YESSS
Looking at plastic Hive Tyrant's price: NOOO NOOOO

rigeld2 wrote:Hrm... my master plan isn't working out. I wanted to try and magnetize the Terv/Tyran to be able to swap them out.

Looks like you should still be able to?

The Tervigon sac looks like it goes on over the body and the weapons should be easy enough?


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Swordwind wrote:Looking at plastic Hive Tyrant: YESS YESSS
Looking at plastic Hive Tyrant's price: NOOO NOOOO

£3 cheaper with a crapton more options than the old Finecast one?

Why is this a 'No'?

Maybe I'm just not seeing it. I'll wait till I have the kit to decide.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Swordwind wrote:Looking at plastic Hive Tyrant: YESS YESSS
Looking at plastic Hive Tyrant's price: NOOO NOOOO

£3 cheaper with a crapton more options than the old Finecast one?

Why is this a 'No'?

Mostly cause that's ridiculously expensive in my local currency, but as I didn't know the previous price it's not too bad now.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:Hrm... my master plan isn't working out. I wanted to try and magnetize the Terv/Tyran to be able to swap them out.

Looks like you should still be able to?

The Tervigon sac looks like it goes on over the body and the weapons should be easy enough?

Yeah it looks like the Terivgon / Tyrannosaurus Fex can quite easily be magnetised. The only question is if the sac has to be left in two bits and fitted around the torso, or if it will just clip on.

DarkStarSabre wrote:

Swordwind wrote:Looking at plastic Hive Tyrant: YESS YESSS
Looking at plastic Hive Tyrant's price: NOOO NOOOO

£3 cheaper with a crapton more options than the old Finecast one?

Why is this a 'No'?

Not only that, but the Terivgon is a whole £1 cheaper than the Trygon! This is a crazy new world.

It's rather strange and surprising that they're trying to phase out the Tyranid weapons sprue they usually include in Carnifex and old Tyrant kits.

The Tyrant needed at least 2 sprues anyway, so better include most options on them rather than include a third sprue and make the box even more expensive.

BTW nice to see 5 bone swords/sabres plus two lower bodies (one for the Flyrant) in the Tyrant box for conversions.

The Swarmlord's swords don't look like his codex art. They look more like bone 'dirks' than bone 'sabres'.

The Flyrant, though, looks amazing. Love the wingspan.

Man that flyrant is sexy. Gonna have to get me one of those.

puma713 wrote:

The Swarmlord's swords don't look like his codex art. They look more like bone 'dirks' than bone 'sabres'.

The Flyrant, though, looks amazing. Love the wingspan.

Fortunately, the Tyrant's non-Bonedirk Boneswords are included.
I'd imagine many people using two in place of two of the bonedirks.

Does anybody else wish they had made a modern version of Old One Eye rather than fine casting the old one?

The Carnifex sprue has a head for old one eye..

sn0zcumb3r wrote:The Carnifex sprue has a head for old one eye..

Technically, that is the 'regeneration' biomorph. But I smell what you're steppin' in. . .

I was unaware, I don't play Nids, maybe after I finish my Tau and sell/redux my IG.

Squidmanlolz wrote:Does anybody else wish they had made a modern version of Old One Eye rather than fine casting the old one?

Why bother? No one takes him anyways

Even if they did take him, the old Old One Eye is just an outdated looking model. It has the vintage-appeal, but shoving the half-skull Carnifex Head on a Carnifex is just as good and is consistent with the rest of the modern line.

So is the tyrant missing the devs/deathspitters?

kenshin620 wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:Does anybody else wish they had made a modern version of Old One Eye rather than fine casting the old one?

Why bother? No one takes him anyways

It appears we will never be free of Grinny McRhinohorn and the dark terror of 3rd Ed 'Nids...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

kenshin620 wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:Does anybody else wish they had made a modern version of Old One Eye rather than fine casting the old one?

Why bother? No one takes him anyways

It appears we will never be free of Grinny McRhinohorn and the dark terror of 3rd Ed 'Nids...

Isn't he like, half the size of a normal 'fex now?

fething awesome. I can buy a plastic Tyrant to make a Swarmlord, and still have the BS/LW left over to stick on my FW Flyrant.

Now I'm getting all sorts of weird kit-bash ideas.

Flying Carnifexes armed with Rupture Cannons!

puma713 wrote:

The Swarmlord's swords don't look like his codex art. They look more like bone 'dirks' than bone 'sabres'.

The Flyrant, though, looks amazing. Love the wingspan.

They used the same model that THQ used for him in DOW II: Redemption.

rigeld2 wrote:So is the tyrant missing the devs/deathspitters?

Yarp Not that most people used the Deathspitters, but still...I guess at the price point they are unwilling to pack another sprue.

Maelstrom808 wrote:Yarp Not that most people used the Deathspitters, but still...I guess at the price point they are unwilling to pack another sprue.

Fine, no spitters... devourers? I guess we have to buy Carnifex bits to get em now.

He giveth with one hand, and with the other taketh away.

Well he never really 'tooketh' away, because the HT didn't used to have Devourers/Death Spitters anyway. So really nothing's changed.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well he never really 'tooketh' away, because the HT didn't used to have Devourers/Death Spitters anyway. So really nothing's changed.

Ah - I was wrong about which sprue they were on with the Carnifex. Nevermind.

Squidmanlolz wrote:Does anybody else wish they had made a modern version of Old One Eye rather than fine casting the old one?

Carnifex kit. Give it scything talons, crushing claws, regeneration head and a couple of those massive horns on the chitin plates on the head. Modern Old One Eye. The Old One Eye model was basically just a 3rd edition Carnifex with a burned off right side of the face, an extra horn on the forehead and a few barnacles on random spots anyway.

Doomthumbs would be proud of that Tervigon

So the only option for the flyrant is Scything talons + other weapon option only?

Grimgob wrote:So the only option for the flyrant is Scything talons + other weapon option only?

Flyrants can take any option normal Tyrants can. The only things not included in that kit are TL Devourers and TL Deathspitters.

The Barbed Strangler, Lash Whip, Bonesword, Venom Cannon, and Scything Talons are all there albeit not in multiples.
Feel free to take 2x Venom Cannons and Wings.

I like the wings on the hive tyrant but I thought that GW would either do it like the gargoyle kit and/or make the wings in such a way that a second biomorph could be added perhaps to the wing arm. Maybe the picture is not showing it clearly because that would be unbelievable to wait so many years for tyrant wings to have this messed up.

There should not be any necessity to have to convert the model in order to make legally armed versions. And for the price that GW charges (along with the disgracefully long wait) there is no excuse for not adding a deathspitter and devourer into the box since it has been a legal build for a long time. Hopefully this is all a mistake and when the kit comes out we will find that everything is fine. [switches to dream mode]

Grimgob wrote:So the only option for the flyrant is Scything talons + other weapon option only?

If you didn't want scything talons, you'd replace the legs with whatever option you'd want.

If you wanted 2x twin linked Devourers, the top sockets should be the wings, and the bottom two sets should be your devourers. Unless you hate the way that looks and want to convert two sets of devourers into one limb each.

has it already been mentioned that the new stuff is up in the GW blog? including 2 videos showing various 360 angles and multiple shots.

tyrant kit looks like 1 deal, and the tervi/tyrannofex is a dual kit. coolness.

DarthSpader wrote:has it already been mentioned that the new stuff is up in the GW blog? including 2 videos showing various 360 angles and multiple shots.

tyrant kit looks like 1 deal, and the tervi/tyrannofex is a dual kit. coolness.

The Preorders are up as well.

I love Trygons, Carnifex, Tyranofex....

I dont have enough heavy support slot!!!!

puma713 wrote:

Grimgob wrote:So the only option for the flyrant is Scything talons + other weapon option only?

If you didn't want scything talons, you'd replace the legs with whatever option you'd want.

If you wanted 2x twin linked Devourers, the top sockets should be the wings, and the bottom two sets should be your devourers. Unless you hate the way that looks and want to convert two sets of devourers into one limb each.

It dosnt look like its modeled that way. It looks like the legs have scything talons and the wings take up one of the arm weapon slots. Sure you could convert it to use the place of the legs but thats kind of stupid. They could have at least put another socket for an arm at the base of the wing.

Wait... why is the UK price less than the Trygon bu the Euro price is more?

new nids up on the GW website.
plastic tyrant kit, T-FEX and TERVIGON is all we are getting!
some update! we need a harpy, a shrike, SSS and the parasite still arent out yet!

RRRRRAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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when you think about it wings arent that great anyway.
no gaurd and little possible helpers!

So the Wolves and Nids does count as a full release right?
march till mid april.


mid april till end of may = fantasy

june = summer of DA

hey I forgot LW/BS and 2 BS kits are availible now!


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hey I forgot LW/BS and 2 BS kits are availible now!

if they had these available two years ago, i might have kept my nids. As it is i will never have a need for these.
Sad face.
Gw. what were you thinking by releasing these at such a late date.

I wonder why the Flyrant has different feet. The feet look entirely different. Is it possible that maybe in the new kit the leg sockets can fit arms allowing for the normal 4 arms of the Hive Tyrant? It would make sense since all Tyranid flying creatures never have legs anyways.

Red Comet wrote:I wonder why the Flyrant has different feet. The feet look entirely different. Is it possible that maybe in the new kit the leg sockets can fit arms allowing for the normal 4 arms of the Hive Tyrant? It would make sense since all Tyranid flying creatures never have legs anyways.

They're 'scything feet', giving the Tyrant a set of scything talons as well as whatever you decide to put in its arm slots.

It's not a great solution, but it works. The wings pretty much need to take the top arm slot to stick to the basic design ideas behind Tyranids (the main one being they all have 6 limbs). Forgeworld had the same solution by making the Flyrant and Warrior wings 'scything wings', with the fingers along the membrane scything talons. GW opted for scything feet.

-Loki- wrote:

Red Comet wrote:I wonder why the Flyrant has different feet. The feet look entirely different. Is it possible that maybe in the new kit the leg sockets can fit arms allowing for the normal 4 arms of the Hive Tyrant? It would make sense since all Tyranid flying creatures never have legs anyways.

They're 'scything feet', giving the Tyrant a set of scything talons as well as whatever you decide to put in its arm slots.

It's not a great solution, but it works. The wings pretty much need to take the top arm slot to stick to the basic design ideas behind Tyranids (the main one being they all have 6 limbs). Forgeworld had the same solution by making the Flyrant and Warrior wings 'scything wings', with the fingers along the membrane scything talons. GW opted for scything feet.

its meant to look like

Images from GWs facebook page

Darnok wrote:Am I getting weird now, or do I see bluetac at the armsockets of both the Tyrant and the Swarmlord? Check the 360-pictures on both. First I thought it was painted, but it both looked silly and out of place - and was too irregular.

You can even see it here (under the upper left arm):


Are my eyes kidding me, or is GW not even willing to go premium with the pictures they use for selling their stuff? How hard would it have been to paint a second Tyrant?
(...)
Comparing the pictures side by side, I get the very strong impression that the Tyrant and Swarmlord share the same model, just with different arms and head bluetacked on.

Fail GW, sorry to say it. I think a special character deserves more attention than this, as do the showcase pictures. It's just lazy and unexcusable.

I find the blu-tac hilarious myself.

clap clap GW, seriously though i dont mind the swarmlord at all.

Kroothawk wrote:Am I getting weird now, or do I see bluetac at the armsockets of both the Tyrant and the Swarmlord? Check the 360-pictures on both. First I thought it was painted, but it both looked silly and out of place - and was too irregular.

You can even see it here (under the upper left arm):


Are my eyes kidding me, or is GW not even willing to go premium with the pictures they use for selling their stuff? How hard would it have been to paint a second Tyrant?
(...)
Comparing the pictures side by side, I get the very strong impression that the Tyrant and Swarmlord share the same model, just with different arms and head bluetacked on.

Fail GW, sorry to say it. I think a special character deserves more attention than this, as do the showcase pictures. It's just lazy and unexcusable.

I think someone's sense of right and wrong is a little contorted. 'Inexcusable' would be selling toxic materials to kids in their modelling products to make a profit. The word doesn't really cover using a little blu-tac in promotional photos.
Being caught swapping out the arms on an expensive model is at worst comedic (as it's what most customers would do, even if GW would want them to buy 2 kits), and at best shows good organisation of their painting staff. Do you really want future releases held up because they're needing to paint double what is actually necessary for a few stock photos?

Sprues look nice and I think if you pick up both new kits then a carni and a try you have lots of cool new possibilities to create new bugs... and a gobbo spider... I dont want to even see how much it would all cost in the end... oh and start thinking on investing in a airbrush beause painting big critters with just a brush is a waste of time... In short if your not carefull GW will make you broke

You'd think they'd at least be able to use magnets

Vitruvian XVII wrote:You'd think they'd at least be able to use magnets

Can't. There's no Games Workshop Hobby magnets, and if they're not Games Workshop Hobby they don't exist.

Haha valid point, i shudder to think what the cost of GW magnets would be

Swordwind wrote:

Vitruvian XVII wrote:You'd think they'd at least be able to use magnets

Can't. There's no Games Workshop Hobby magnets, and if they're not Games Workshop Hobby they don't exist.

As opposed to gw hobby blutac?

ThomasPolder wrote:

Swordwind wrote:

Vitruvian XVII wrote:You'd think they'd at least be able to use magnets

Can't. There's no Games Workshop Hobby magnets, and if they're not Games Workshop Hobby they don't exist.

As opposed to gw hobby blutac?

You mean the stuff Gary Morley used to sculpt with?

ThomasPolder wrote:

Swordwind wrote:

Vitruvian XVII wrote:You'd think they'd at least be able to use magnets

Can't. There's no Games Workshop Hobby magnets, and if they're not Games Workshop Hobby they don't exist.

As opposed to gw hobby blutac?

Don't give them ideas.

Swordwind wrote:

Vitruvian XVII wrote:You'd think they'd at least be able to use magnets

Can't. There's no Games Workshop Hobby magnets, and if they're not Games Workshop Hobby they don't exist.

"Games Workshop Hobby Magnets" consist of buying another kit.

true, but there is no GW blu-tac either!

One thing I notice about the TWC... They have Thousand Sons on their bases....

Do those 1k sons look any different from the current kit? Because if so, I think we're getting an expanded preview

Absolutionis wrote:Even if they did take him, the old Old One Eye is just an outdated looking model. It has the vintage-appeal, but shoving the half-skull Carnifex Head on a Carnifex is just as good and is consistent with the rest of the modern line.

And if you really wanted to, you could spruce up the carnifex even more with some greenstuff...

ThomasPolder wrote:

Swordwind wrote:

Vitruvian XVII wrote:You'd think they'd at least be able to use magnets

Can't. There's no Games Workshop Hobby magnets, and if they're not Games Workshop Hobby they don't exist.

As opposed to gw hobby blutac?

Haven't you heard about the upcoming Fine-Tac

I would have thought that the 'Eavy Metal team would know how to use magnets for this very reason. Having said that shouldn't there be a number of stages between 'finished paint job' and 'put on the website' where various people check their work and it gets approved. I hope GW just laugh it off and post new images up and then maybe have a tutorial in WD for how to magnetise your own big gribblies.


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Kroothawk wrote:Haven't you heard about the upcoming Fine-Tac

What's the bet that this will be their April fools efffort this year?

So there was no Ymgarl Genestealer.

Whose rumour was that?

H.B.M.C. wrote:So there was no Ymgarl Genestealer.

Whose rumour was that?

Stickmonkey or Ghost21, who are about equally valid.
(IE: Not at all)

Why not just use the tendril heads to make ymgarls? I wouldnt buy a new model

Cryage wrote:Why not just use the tendril heads to make ymgarls? I wouldnt buy a new model

I'm pretty sure this is what everyone does. It was what I did. Buy 5 boxes of Genestealers and you have enough to make 30 Stealers and 10 Ymgarls.

Just ordered me a couple of tervigon kits from thewarstore. Cant wait til they get here! I really wanted a swarmlord kit as well, but I guess that will have to wait, as the wife isn't working right now and my hobby budget is tight. Now I need to go on a great crusade to find some cheap second hand termagants lol

Cryage wrote:Why not just use the tendril heads to make ymgarls? I wouldnt buy a new model

It was less a new kit, and more a one-off Ymgarl, a bit like the one-off Flash Git GW did.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Cryage wrote:Why not just use the tendril heads to make ymgarls? I wouldnt buy a new model

It was less a new kit, and more a one-off Ymgarl, a bit like the one-off Flash Git GW did.

'Twas the rumor, but I sincerely doubt it, given its source.

It would have been best to discount it anyways, considering how abysmally the Flash Git model seems to have sold.

Maybe that could be pinned on the fact that people wanted a unit, not a single over-priced Direct Only model.

And because Flash Gits suck.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Maybe that could be pinned on the fact that people wanted a unit, not a single over-priced Direct Only model.

And because Flash Gits suck.

Undeniably so. But that won't matter in GW's eyes. They'll see it as "Well, we made what was wanted--and they didn't buy it!".

If they did the original Ymgarl stealer that would be something special. And NO Ymgarl stealers dont look like regular human host purestrains with some tentacles on the mouth...

So, how many people are gonna buy the Tervigon/Tyrannofex instead of continuing to use their nerfed, overcosted Carnifexes like they've been doing ever since the current Codex Tyranids came out? What next, GW, an official GW plastic Nob Bikers unit?

warpcrafter wrote:So, how many people are gonna buy the Tervigon/Tyrannofex instead of continuing to use their nerfed, overcosted Carnifexes like they've been doing ever since the current Codex Tyranids came out?

I'm pretty happy with DarkGear's idea:

Saw the new Terv' advertised at GW HQ today. Not impressed. :/ I mean, it's nice I guess? But it doesn't really fit the image of the 'Nids I have.

Winterkit wrote:Saw the new Terv' advertised at GW HQ today. Not impressed. :/ I mean, it's nice I guess? But it doesn't really fit the image of the 'Nids I have.

I have to laugh a bit. Not at you, but we all complain that GW does nothing to advance 40K, and finally GW does something and changes something in 40K and people sill complain about it. Damned if they do, damned if they don't eh?

hsojvvad wrote:

Winterkit wrote:Saw the new Terv' advertised at GW HQ today. Not impressed. :/ I mean, it's nice I guess? But it doesn't really fit the image of the 'Nids I have.

I have to laugh a bit. Not at you, but we all complain that GW does nothing to advance 40K, and finally GW does something and changes something in 40K and people sill complain about it. Damned if they do, damned if they don't eh?

It's not that, I like change, and a lot of the 'Nid changes have been positive (last wave better than this one in improvements, but this one still improves upon that). I just find the body shape of the Tervigon too.. Oxen? I always imagined it more like a hive-insect queen, and find the cavernous body wrapped around two gaunt-chutes, with the cowlike posture just looks.. Meh. Doesn't fit my army, nor my preferred look for 'Nids?

Not all change is good, that doesn't mean I don't like change. And a meh Tervi (imho) model is better for the army than no Tervi at all.

Personally I like the new Tervigon/Tyrannofex model.

The only quirk I find is I would have preferred the massive chin.mounted Acid Spray/Fleshborer Hive in the artwork.

I also feel the Tervigon is a littlie too skinny. In the artwork it is a chunky mum, with a small brood thing. The model is quite skinny with a large bag.

Also, the Tfex is.not wide or armourdd enough.



The swarmlord's bonesabres I would prefer to be more binsword like, his head with 2 serrerated crests and with mandibles, and a forked tail.

The tyrant is the same and the flyrant is fine.

I like the tyrant the most because it's exactly the same. The old sculpt was great and I was worried that GW would screw it up by making a new plastic one.

I was gonna pick up a not so finely cast tyrant, now I'm just gonna wait for the plasticy kind. Might try and magnetize the arms so I can have the wings or swords or whatever.

Not sure if I'd rather do the tyranofex or the sac o' gaunts, so that usually means I gotta get 1 of each.

warpcrafter wrote:So, how many people are gonna buy the Tervigon/Tyrannofex instead of continuing to use their nerfed, overcosted Carnifexes like they've been doing ever since the current Codex Tyranids came out?

I'll continue using my Carnifexes as Carnifexes and be using the new Tervigon as a Tervigon.

The only issue I have with the Tyrannofex/Tervigon is that its hips and rear legs are a little too skinny for my tastes. It should get beefed up in that area.

Fighting urge to start Tyranids for the fourth time...

Grey Templar wrote:The only issue I have with the Tyrannofex/Tervigon is that its hips and rear legs are a little too skinny for my tastes. It should get beefed up in that area.

They're as comparatively beefy as the back legs on the Heirophant, and the body shape and proportions is basically the same with hooves on the back legs instead of talons. Even all the bits of exposed sinew between the arch of the legs is the same as on the Heirophant.

I love the new sculpts of the tervigon/tfex. Really not impressed with the Swarmlord and Im glad I converted one. Mine looks almost exactly like the codex art minus the forked tail. The bone sword looking face horn just looks stupid imho.

Winterkit wrote:

hsojvvad wrote:

Winterkit wrote:Saw the new Terv' advertised at GW HQ today. Not impressed. :/ I mean, it's nice I guess? But it doesn't really fit the image of the 'Nids I have.

I have to laugh a bit. Not at you, but we all complain that GW does nothing to advance 40K, and finally GW does something and changes something in 40K and people sill complain about it. Damned if they do, damned if they don't eh?

It's not that, I like change, and a lot of the 'Nid changes have been positive (last wave better than this one in improvements, but this one still improves upon that). I just find the body shape of the Tervigon too.. Oxen? I always imagined it more like a hive-insect queen, and find the cavernous body wrapped around two gaunt-chutes, with the cowlike posture just looks.. Meh. Doesn't fit my army, nor my preferred look for 'Nids?

Not all change is good, that doesn't mean I don't like change. And a meh Tervi (imho) model is better for the army than no Tervi at all.

Ah oxen? I thought it was more of a doberman pincher in heat. At least the tail is down, it would have been oh so wrong if it was up.

I like both kits quite a bit. The Swarmlord is perhaps most disappointing though, but not because of the bone sabres being too small (I really like them) but because he isn't bigger than the Hive Tyrant. I was expecting the body to be the same, but perhaps with an extra carapace piece to bulk him up a bit. That complaint sort of moves over to the Tyrannofex. Perhaps both models can be beefed up with some bits and still look good.

I really like the sword proportions on the Swarmlord. The blades look like a Tyranid version of a kindjal.

whoadirty wrote: That complaint sort of moves over to the Tyrannofex. Perhaps both models can be beefed up with some bits and still look good.

Considering the thing is easily three times the size of a Carnifex in bulk alone and nearly as tall as a Trygon while being on all six limbs I'd say he's pretty damn beefy already.

Out of all the sculpts, my favourite is the Tervigon. I think the sac on it's underside looks awesome, and the termagant bursting out of it is a nice touch. The only problem is that I'd never use a Tervigon in a game. Same goes for the Tyrannofex probably.

However, I've already ordered my Hive Tyrant kit. Although it doesn't look loads different, the switch to plastic and addition of extra components should make the kit a lot better. Although I won't be building one (yet) the Winged Tyrant looks baws.

And I thought I'd got my Nids to a good size and could finish adding to them. Oh, GW know how to scrounge money out of me....

Yeah, something to consider is the fact that the Tyrannofex is a quadruped, and the Tervigon is hexapedal - the book actually says it uses all 6 limbs and only rears back on its hind legs when defending itself. Weight would actually be more on the front legs, which are supporting the belly, incubation sac (or cannon, in the case of the Tyrannofex) and chitin plates.

My major quirk is that the Tfex fluff says its cannon is fused to its torso.

-Loki- wrote:Yeah, something to consider is the fact that the Tyrannofex is a quadruped, and the Tervigon is hexapedal - the book actually says it uses all 6 limbs and only rears back on its hind legs when defending itself. Weight would actually be more on the front legs, which are supporting the belly, incubation sac (or cannon, in the case of the Tyrannofex) and chitin plates.

Actually, the Tyrannofex would fall over on his head if not glued to a base, as the thin mid-pair of legs is behind the centre of gravity.
That's why I will make a conversion with 6 legs and a double cannon on its back.
BTW even the solid resin legs of the Biotitan don't support the model, you have to provide extra support in some way.

Kroothawk wrote:

-Loki- wrote:Yeah, something to consider is the fact that the Tyrannofex is a quadruped, and the Tervigon is hexapedal - the book actually says it uses all 6 limbs and only rears back on its hind legs when defending itself. Weight would actually be more on the front legs, which are supporting the belly, incubation sac (or cannon, in the case of the Tyrannofex) and chitin plates.

Actually, the Tyrannofex would fall over on his head if not glued to a base, as the thin mid-pair of legs is behind the centre of gravity.
That's why I will make a conversion with 6 legs and a double cannon on its back.
BTW even the solid resin legs of the Biotitan don't support the model, you have to provide extra support in some way.

My Hierophant has a 3/8 inch acrylic rod similar to a flight stand to keep it from bending the legs and falling over.

I do want to convert my Hierophant to have rear legs that end in hooves like the new kits instead of talons.

Pedrowan wrote:

Redemption wrote:The picture says 'Tirannofex' next to it in the picture's description on the left, so I wouldn't read to much into it. It's probably just the fleshborer hive or something.

Those look more like an Assault 20 weapon than anything else...wall of dart throwers style!

I really would hope that a T-Fex sized CC variant would be the *last* thing that GW would come up with to give 'Nids a boost. I'm not a huge fan of the transport bug concept and even that seems more useful than a lumbering CC monstrosity with a target painted allll over it.

So what I gathered from looking on games workshop site and reading through the codex is the tyrannofex pic with the big claws with all the opening along the body of it, that is the electro shock grubs. The flesborer hive is the gun that has the claw look to it, I really don't know how to explain it. Then the rupture cannon was easy

I totally agree the new models look awesome. I just put my tyrant and one of my carni's on ebay! I really like how they modeled them to look almost like a mini hierophant.

I like the models, would have prefered it up they didn't have their arses up in the air, but overall happy. The gaming reprecussions of their size is quite dissapointing, however my play style will evolve.
My big gripe is the tfex! Look at a marine with 3+ armor and a Terminator with 2+ armor OK?
Now look a the Tervigon (STR 5, 3+) and the Tyrannofex (STR 6, 2+)
All it would have taken is to include a chest plate or bigger legs or something

Remember that an armor save doesn't always mean its armor.

It could mean there is just so few vital organs that only the heaviest weapons could hope to strike something vital with any reliability.

Rules wise, I wish they would give the harpy a 2+, heck even a 3+. Just as they stand right now, 1 GK Autocannon dreadnought firing at it will kill it on turn 1 by bypassing its armor save and likely inflicting 4 wounds :(

If they ever release a harpy model, I won't buy it just due to how bad their rules are which is sad

Was looking at the "scything feet" and noticed that if you cut off the lowest three segments you are back to standard
tyrant feet. Not sure why this might be useful, but who knows? I'm thinking three-clawed feet would look better on the flyrant as at least one person on Warpshadow has done.

Looks like we will be doubling up the devourers on one arm to make quad dev flyrants.

-Loki- wrote:

They're 'scything feet', giving the Tyrant a set of scything talons as well as whatever you decide to put in its arm slots.

It's not a great solution, but it works. The wings pretty much need to take the top arm slot to stick to the basic design ideas behind Tyranids (the main one being they all have 6 limbs). Forgeworld had the same solution by making the Flyrant and Warrior wings 'scything wings', with the fingers along the membrane scything talons. GW opted for scything feet.

timd wrote:Was looking at the "scything feet" and noticed that if you cut off the lowest three segments you are back to standard
tyrant feet. Not sure why this might be useful, but who knows? I'm thinking three-clawed feet would look better on the flyrant as at least one person on Warpshadow has done.

Looks like we will be doubling up the devourers on one arm to make quad dev flyrants.

-Loki- wrote:

They're 'scything feet', giving the Tyrant a set of scything talons as well as whatever you decide to put in its arm slots.

It's not a great solution, but it works. The wings pretty much need to take the top arm slot to stick to the basic design ideas behind Tyranids (the main one being they all have 6 limbs). Forgeworld had the same solution by making the Flyrant and Warrior wings 'scything wings', with the fingers along the membrane scything talons. GW opted for scything feet.

Yeah, I'll be waiting for some conversions to show up on how to do double devs on one arm.

Shovan wrote:

Looks like we will be doubling up the devourers on one arm to make quad dev flyrants.

Yeah, I'll be waiting for some conversions to show up on how to do double devs on one arm.

The easy way is to just add a second dev front end, upside down, under the first dev front end.

vigilante87 wrote:

Pedrowan wrote:

Redemption wrote:The picture says 'Tirannofex' next to it in the picture's description on the left, so I wouldn't read to much into it. It's probably just the fleshborer hive or something.

Those look more like an Assault 20 weapon than anything else...wall of dart throwers style!

I really would hope that a T-Fex sized CC variant would be the *last* thing that GW would come up with to give 'Nids a boost. I'm not a huge fan of the transport bug concept and even that seems more useful than a lumbering CC monstrosity with a target painted allll over it.

So what I gathered from looking on games workshop site and reading through the codex is the tyrannofex pic with the big claws with all the opening along the body of it, that is the electro shock grubs. The flesborer hive is the gun that has the claw look to it, I really don't know how to explain it. Then the rupture cannon was easy

I totally agree the new models look awesome. I just put my tyrant and one of my carni's on ebay! I really like how they modeled them to look almost like a mini hierophant.

The White Dwarf Says that the The Shield-like double Claw one with lots of holes on it, is the Fleshborer Hive, the Big gun is the Rupture cannon, and the claw one, with the bio-tubes is the Acid Spray.

I think it's best to disregard the codex artwork. While it was clearly the concept for the creature, they went a bit of a different direction for the model.

I'm mostly wondering where the thorax swarm is on the model, since the carapace is obviously the stinger salvo/cluster spines.

Thorax Swarms can't be seen. It is like an anthill in the creatures chest. Can't see inside.

-Loki- wrote:I'm mostly wondering where the thorax swarm is on the model, since the carapace is obviously the stinger salvo/cluster spines.

I was wondering this too, but It's pretty hard to get a look at the underside of the model.

I think the creatures live inside the Tyrannofex, with the creatures flowing out, of its mouth/ribs as the Tyrannofex approaches it's target.

-Loki- wrote:I think it's best to disregard the codex artwork. While it was clearly the concept for the creature, they went a bit of a different direction for the model.

I'm mostly wondering where the thorax swarm is on the model, since the carapace is obviously the stinger salvo/cluster spines.

Medium of Death wrote:I was wondering this too, but It's pretty hard to get a look at the underside of the model.

I think the creatures live inside the Tyrannofex, with the creatures flowing out, of its mouth/ribs as the Tyrannofex approaches it's target.

Its right there



and here

Medium of Death wrote:

-Loki- wrote:I'm mostly wondering where the thorax swarm is on the model, since the carapace is obviously the stinger salvo/cluster spines.

I was wondering this too, but It's pretty hard to get a look at the underside of the model.

I think the creatures live inside the Tyrannofex, with the creatures flowing out, of its mouth/ribs as the Tyrannofex approaches it's target.

I agree. There's a bit of fluff in the Nid codex (can't remember where) saying that the thoraz swarm has to eject the bugs at regular intevals or the Tfex would burst from all the bugs being born/grown. It stands to reason then, that the bugs are actually inside the Tfex

The Shadow wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:

-Loki- wrote:I'm mostly wondering where the thorax swarm is on the model, since the carapace is obviously the stinger salvo/cluster spines.

I was wondering this too, but It's pretty hard to get a look at the underside of the model.

I think the creatures live inside the Tyrannofex, with the creatures flowing out, of its mouth/ribs as the Tyrannofex approaches it's target.

I agree. There's a bit of fluff in the Nid codex (can't remember where) saying that the thoraz swarm has to eject the bugs at regular intevals or the Tfex would burst from all the bugs being born/grown. It stands to reason then, that the bugs are actually inside the Tfex

That is quoted on page 53, though that exact description is for Fleshborer Hive ( but yes they occupy same weapon )

Here you go guys,

AUD Pricing.

$96 for Tervigon/Fex
$93 for Tyrant


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Well done GW, thanks for continuing to gauge Australians.

Need to find a different hobby methinks

Swarmski wrote:AUD Pricing.

$96 for Tervigon/Fex
$93 for Tyrant


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Well done GW, thanks for continuing to gauge Australians.

Need to find a different hobby methinks

I'm honestly surprised they didn't put the Tervigon in the Land Raider price bracket. While it's on a 120mm base like the Trygon, it's a hell of a lot beefier. I could see someone high up trying to convince them the Land Raider bracket is the correct one.

And hey, at least we got a price drop with the Hive Tyrant. It was more expensive in finecast, with less options.

Also, you need to look here for your GW purchases. Or is 50% off not cheap enough?

those new creatures look amazing ,might have to look at starting Nids!

-Loki- wrote:Also, you need to look here for your GW purchases. Or is 50% off not cheap enough?

Where do you see 50%?

-Loki- wrote:[

Also, you need to look here for your GW purchases. Or is 50% off not cheap enough?

Is the trade embargo thing only on Europe to Aus, or does it apply for everywhere to aus?

Also once you add $25 shipping...not near 50%

-Loki- wrote:Or is 50% off not cheap enough?

That is what we call perspective .

The 50% off only applies to Aussies that suffered from over pricing in the first place.

While the rest of the world we only see.... what is it, 20% off?

See, we could raise the price to $900 AUD and say we give 99% off! hence the price is $90 AUD
and you can even claim 99% off is ALMOST FREE, how can THAT NOT BE CHEAP

( anyways, thats what perspective is, the sample is abit extreme, but sometimes it makes it easier to understand )

Swarmski wrote:

-Loki- wrote:[

Also, you need to look here for your GW purchases. Or is 50% off not cheap enough?

Is the trade embargo thing only on Europe to Aus, or does it apply for everywhere to aus?

it's not Europe to Australia, it's Europe to not Europe. European stores are only allowed to sell GW products to countries in the European union.

Dicebucket is a US store, and not affected by the embargo.

not affected by the embargo yet, i dont see GW letting all the ROW sales just transfer to the US because they stopped the UK sellers from doing it.

-Loki- wrote:it's not Europe to Australia, it's Europe to not Europe. European stores are only allowed to sell GW products to countries in the European union.

Dicebucket is a US store, and not affected by the embargo.

I was under the impression that it was region to region, so US cannot sell to anywhere but the US (and Canadia). Eurozone cannot sell outside of Eurozone. Australia to nowhere but Australia/NZ.

Dice Bucket aren’t affected as they take everything out of the boxes first. So does the Discount Warhammer place on eBay.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

-Loki- wrote:it's not Europe to Australia, it's Europe to not Europe. European stores are only allowed to sell GW products to countries in the European union.

Dicebucket is a US store, and not affected by the embargo.

I was under the impression that it was region to region, so US cannot sell to anywhere but the US (and Canadia). Eurozone cannot sell outside of Eurozone. Australia to nowhere but Australia/NZ.

Dice Bucket aren’t affected as they take everything out of the boxes first. So does the Discount Warhammer place on eBay.

Yep its also why some of them even get to keep the online carts!

LunaHound wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

-Loki- wrote:it's not Europe to Australia, it's Europe to not Europe. European stores are only allowed to sell GW products to countries in the European union.

Dicebucket is a US store, and not affected by the embargo.

I was under the impression that it was region to region, so US cannot sell to anywhere but the US (and Canadia). Eurozone cannot sell outside of Eurozone. Australia to nowhere but Australia/NZ.

Dice Bucket aren’t affected as they take everything out of the boxes first. So does the Discount Warhammer place on eBay.

Yep its also why some of them even get to keep the online carts!

I wonder if this is how wayland games are going to get around the EU embargo ?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

-Loki- wrote:it's not Europe to Australia, it's Europe to not Europe. European stores are only allowed to sell GW products to countries in the European union.

Dicebucket is a US store, and not affected by the embargo.

I was under the impression that it was region to region, so US cannot sell to anywhere but the US (and Canadia). Eurozone cannot sell outside of Eurozone. Australia to nowhere but Australia/NZ.

I'm 99% sure the embargo was only affecting Europe. The US had a different restriction - they aren't allowed to have a shopping cart system for GW products. That's what Dicebucket gets around by stripping everything out of its box, basically making them second hand.

Anyone can buy from Australia if they were stupid enough.


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swordwind99 wrote:I wonder if this is how wayland games are going to get around the EU embargo ?

My gues sis setting up something like what Dicebucket does, or going through a few different suppliers as third parties between them and GW. Either way, I'm not holding my breath. While it's cool they're trying, I don't think we'll see anything for a long time. They've been trying to set up up now for, what, 8 months?

swordwind99 wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

-Loki- wrote:it's not Europe to Australia, it's Europe to not Europe. European stores are only allowed to sell GW products to countries in the European union.

Dicebucket is a US store, and not affected by the embargo.

I was under the impression that it was region to region, so US cannot sell to anywhere but the US (and Canadia). Eurozone cannot sell outside of Eurozone. Australia to nowhere but Australia/NZ.

Dice Bucket aren’t affected as they take everything out of the boxes first. So does the Discount Warhammer place on eBay.

Yep its also why some of them even get to keep the online carts!

I wonder if this is how wayland games are going to get around the EU embargo ?

I doubt it, the magnitude of Wayland and Maelstrom's orders are too large for them to do this .

For those that asked for a conversion for TL Devourers on one hand
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/432879.page

sn0zcumb3r wrote:For those that asked for a conversion for TL Devourers on one hand
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/432879.page

I see you used a stranglethorn arm for the right twin devourer, but what did you use for the left arm?

Looks to me like another Stranglethorn, with a bit of cut & paste to mirror it. Did a similar thing on my Dakkafexes.

See, my conversion is probably going to be the MC Devourer arm with one of the Termagant devourers slotted upsidedown underneath it. Don't need to worry about mirrored arms, since there's a left and a right.

Dysartes wrote:Is it just me, or does the Spanish version come up with the coolest-sounding versions of some character/unit names:

Ulrik el Matador
Lukas El Tramposo
Bjorn Garra Implacable

And, of course...

El Senor de la Horda...

...is anyone else picturing a Mexsploitation Swarmlord with a sombrero and Zapata moustache?

lindsay40k wrote:

Dysartes wrote:Is it just me, or does the Spanish version come up with the coolest-sounding versions of some character/unit names:

Ulrik el Matador
Lukas El Tramposo
Bjorn Garra Implacable

And, of course...

El Senor de la Horda...

...is anyone else picturing a Mexsploitation Swarmlord with a sombrero and Zapata moustache?

Someone needs to make this.

Burritofex and Tacovore do sound like the kinda names we’d get in a Cruddace Codex.

I guess the Tacofex would start with a ‘Soft Shell’, but you could upgrade to a ‘Hard Shell’.

Sorry I’ll stop now.

Thanks HBMC. Now I can't stop thinking of eating some awesome burritos and tacos.

LunaHound wrote:

The Shadow wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:

-Loki- wrote:I'm mostly wondering where the thorax swarm is on the model, since the carapace is obviously the stinger salvo/cluster spines.

I was wondering this too, but It's pretty hard to get a look at the underside of the model.

I think the creatures live inside the Tyrannofex, with the creatures flowing out, of its mouth/ribs as the Tyrannofex approaches it's target.

I agree. There's a bit of fluff in the Nid codex (can't remember where) saying that the thoraz swarm has to eject the bugs at regular intevals or the Tfex would burst from all the bugs being born/grown. It stands to reason then, that the bugs are actually inside the Tfex

That is quoted on page 53, though that exact description is for Fleshborer Hive ( but yes they occupy same weapon )

Here you go guys,

That's why I will reinterpret these arms as the Thorax weapon when making a six leg, back cannon tyrannofex. Solves gravity problems AND the missing Thorax weapon problem.

Wonder if this kit's neck and shoulder joint is compatible with the Carnifex? Looks pretty close...



Just sayin'

Sasori wrote:

vigilante87 wrote:

Pedrowan wrote:

Redemption wrote:The picture says 'Tirannofex' next to it in the picture's description on the left, so I wouldn't read to much into it. It's probably just the fleshborer hive or something.

Those look more like an Assault 20 weapon than anything else...wall of dart throwers style!

I really would hope that a T-Fex sized CC variant would be the *last* thing that GW would come up with to give 'Nids a boost. I'm not a huge fan of the transport bug concept and even that seems more useful than a lumbering CC monstrosity with a target painted allll over it.

So what I gathered from looking on games workshop site and reading through the codex is the tyrannofex pic with the big claws with all the opening along the body of it, that is the electro shock grubs. The flesborer hive is the gun that has the claw look to it, I really don't know how to explain it. Then the rupture cannon was easy

I totally agree the new models look awesome. I just put my tyrant and one of my carni's on ebay! I really like how they modeled them to look almost like a mini hierophant.

The White Dwarf Says that the The Shield-like double Claw one with lots of holes on it, is the Fleshborer Hive, the Big gun is the Rupture cannon, and the claw one, with the bio-tubes is the Acid Spray.

Well I guess that makes complete sense, lol. White dwarf doesn't lie.

vigilante87 wrote:Well I guess that makes complete sense, lol. White dwarf doesn't lie.

Not to kill the jovial tone of the post because I know what you mean, if you have a relatively unreasonable opponent and no desire or skill to use magnets this kind of thing can become a huge issue. Especially when you bring WYSIWYG into play.

Thankfully, I'm blessed with being one of the few Tyranid players, and my main opponent (who tends to help shape the mindset of the store) is firmly convinced the only people who know the difference between Tyranid weapons are Tyranid players.

Marrak wrote:my main opponent (who tends to help shape the mindset of the store) is firmly convinced the only people who know the difference between Tyranid weapons are Tyranid players.

I don't do quotes in my sig, but if I did this'd be there now

Kroothawk: Great idea about the back cannon/thorax swarm.

Lindsay40K: Those gun heads are awesome.

I am assuming that this new release puts the idea of a Harpy model pretty far away if ever?

A tyrant kit could easily be used. It's perhaps why they included the two weapon options that it can take in that kit.

Medium of Death wrote:Kroothawk: Great idea about the back cannon/thorax swarm.

Lindsay40K: Those gun heads are awesome.

I am assuming that this new release puts the idea of a Harpy model pretty far away if ever?

A tyrant kit could easily be used. It's perhaps why they included the two weapon options that it can take in that kit.

Still a lot of work to make it look right. If anything, I'd sooner to use a Rupture Cannon as a 'double shot' HVC/STC than have a second set of rifle arms coming out its hips...

Is it bad that I'm hoping they cock up the second 25th anniversary miniature they're sending out to me and proceed to do so until I kick up a royal stick and get a second Tervigon out of them so that I can convert it to a back cannon Tyrannofex?

lindsay40k wrote:

Still a lot of work to make it look right. If anything, I'd sooner to use a Rupture Cannon as a 'double shot' HVC/STC than have a second set of rifle arms coming out its hips...

Hmm, I thought just about using one HVC and saying it's TL. It goes against the unwritten visual rule for Tyranid weapons, but you wouldn't have enough space for the Scything Talons which are represented by the clawed feet. Although I'd be wanting them to look more like a 'Lesser' flyrant than a harpy. I do agree that it's a lot harder to make it look like the codex Art.

On a slightly deviant note: A twin linked rupture cannon would have sold me on the Tyrannofex. Or if the Fleshborer hive could shoot the Thorax swarm upgrades... /dreams.


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DarkStarSabre wrote:Is it bad that I'm hoping they cock up the second 25th anniversary miniature they're sending out to me and proceed to do so until I kick up a royal stick and get a second Tervigon out of them so that I can convert it to a back cannon Tyrannofex?

After seeing some of the pictures of it, they probably will. I wouldn't hold it against you if you did. You could just explain that you are not prepared to go through the rigmarole of getting another one without knowing it's quality and the experience has been very disappointing. While not necessarily true, sending crap product is not forgiveable.

Medium of Death wrote:I am assuming that this new release puts the idea of a Harpy model pretty far away if ever?

The same rumour sources that brought us information on what the second wave would contain have been saying for a long time the Harpy is done. It's been done since about August last year. It's very likely GW are holding on to it for a better time to release it.

Consider - it's a T5, W4, sv 4+ monstrous creature as almost big as a Trygon (they put its size somewhere between a Valkyrie and a Razorwing), sitting up on the new gigantic flying base. This thing, in its current form, is situational at best (the only situation I can think of is against Dark Eldar with twin HVC's as a mobile Raider popper), and a 160 point waste at worst (pretty much every other situation). Other fliers are vehicles, so count as fast skimmers at least, and are generally harder to kill.

Then consider, the pervasive rumour that 6th edition will include rules for fliers. The Harpy will likely become more survivable. It might become good. Release the Harpy alongside 6th edition with this kind of boost, and you have a new release every Tyranid player will want, rather than release it now, when only a few Tyranid players will want it.

Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

The Harpy was said to be done in August last year. We didn't hear about a plastic Tyrant kit with wings until later. I wouldn't be surprised if they mistook the Flyrant this release as the Harpy, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Harpy was done and waiting on flyer rules.

Doubtful, the rumors pretty explicitly stated that we'd see a Flyrant AND that it wasn't the Harpy.

Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, Flyrant looks like Flyrant, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

LunaHound wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, Flyrant looks like Flyrant, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

For 40k nerds, maybe. For someone who only plays Fantasy (like Harry and Hastings) it would be pretty easy to mistake one huge winged 'Nid for another.

LunaHound wrote: its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

You haven't seen Luney Tunes have you?

Weren't the early rumors indicating that the Harpy looks 'different' than what the viewer expected?

Considering the Harpy doesn't have any strict images aside from the limiting Codex art, it's not difficult at all to mistake the official Venom Cannon Wined Tyrant for a Harpy.

lord_blackfang wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, Flyrant looks like Flyrant, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

For 40k nerds, maybe. For someone who only plays Fantasy (like Harry and Hastings) it would be pretty easy to mistake one huge winged 'Nid for another.

ghost you mean?

I thought we confirmed ghost was full-of-it?

ph34r wrote:I thought we confirmed ghost was full-of-it?

I think thats where the Harpy rumor spawned from though.
Hence I believe you cant possibly mistaken Tyrant with wings for a Harpy,
Tyrant have distinct crests.

Ghost made everything up, so who cares if he meant Harpy or Flyrant, it has no bearing on what is actually being released or will be.

A (hypothetical) real informant that actually did see models ahead of time could easily confuse the two if he didn't know the army well.

IIRC, the person that intially said he'd seen the Harpy was Stickmonkey (last year some time), who was also the person who said they'd seen the Tyrannofex and said it didn't look like the artwork.

FWIW, Harry seems to think ghost did know some things. I agree that ghost and stickmonkey don't seem to have the best track records, but it's pretty clear that the studio is indeed locked down these days, and that we aren't going to get highly revealing and accurate information from anyone short of a designer himself coming on and spilling the beans.

In the case of Tyranids, it's not unreasonable to think that GW might already be working on some models (Cerebore?) for a new iteration of Tyranids 2 or 3 years out. We know they work that far out, right? Similarly, ghost took a lot of flak over the Umbra/Hrud stuff, but is it impossible he got a glimpse of some concept sketches and let his imagination run too much? Umbra/Hrud don't seem likely to me either, but the designers almost certainly concept out a bunch of new armies that will never see the light of day.

Again, not really defending their track records...I'm just saying that it's very hard to evaluate rumormongers, especially over the short term.

LunaHound wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

My wife has done that, fortunately not to he point of disaster...

In fairness the skunk was in some bushes.

LunaHound wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, Flyrant looks like Flyrant, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

Early rumours by stickmonkey. Later confirmation by Harry, who doesn't play 40k and was not certain what a Harpy is. So it is possible, but I still have hopes (and a non-GW Harpy )

BTW nice skunk in your avatar

I believe Harry heard the name 'Harpy' though, as he mentioned he didn't know 40k had Harpies.

I just wanted to say that somebody suggesting that it's impossible to mix up the Flyrant with the Harpy is r i d i c you l o you s.

That's an easy mistake to make. Even a seasoned Tyranid general might be guilty of it if they were only able to sneak a quick glance at the model or pictures of it, given that the new Flyrant has a completely different looking tail and legs than what we've seen previously.

"Tyrants have distinct crests" oh my god, give me a break.

Edit: And I went through some of Stickmonkey's old posts on warseer the other day, to see if his negative reputation on Dakka was actually deserved. He called the plastic Tyrant (when it didn't really make sense to exist as a release with so many other Tyranid options unavailable) but he also claimed that the Tervigon and T-fex looked very different from one another, so much so that it was hard to imagine them coming from the same kit. As we now know, that's not true at all. With the Harpy's existence unproven, I'd say he's 50/50 on Tyranids right now.

Altruizine wrote:
Edit: And I went through some of Stickmonkey's old posts on warseer the other day, to see if his negative reputation on Dakka was actually deserved. He called the plastic Tyrant (when it didn't really make sense to exist as a release with so many other Tyranid options unavailable) but he also claimed that the Tervigon and T-fex looked very different from one another, so much so that it was hard to imagine them coming from the same kit. As we now know, that's not true at all. With the Harpy's existence unproven, I'd say he's 50/50 on Tyranids right now.

I asked and he didn't withdraw his observation. So obviously this creature (as far as he is concerned) still exists only it's not a Tyrannofex.

Kroothawk wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, Flyrant looks like Flyrant, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

Early rumours by stickmonkey. Later confirmation by Harry, who doesn't play 40k and was not certain what a Harpy is. So it is possible, but I still have hopes (and a non-GW Harpy )

BTW nice skunk in your avatar

Hey!! now that is entirely possible. >.<
I do like the fluffeh tails

Altruizine wrote:I just wanted to say that somebody suggesting that it's impossible to mix up the Flyrant with the Harpy is r i d i c you l o you s.

That's an easy mistake to make. Even a seasoned Tyranid general might be guilty of it if they were only able to sneak a quick glance at the model or pictures of it, given that the new Flyrant has a completely different looking tail and legs than what we've seen previously.

"Tyrants have distinct crests" oh my god, give me a break.

Yes keep telling yourself that....
The Tyrant's head have been the same for the past.... decade almost?
Even the upper torso, and its arm slot designs, and back carapce is the same.

The only thing that could have thrown someone off, is if they werent expecting GW to include the serpentine lower torso.

My point is, you can argue all you want with this about me doubting the rumor mongers you respect ( I do respect them)
however, to argue anything more about that thing looking like a Harpy? Nope... looks like a Tyrant with wings....
and it is.

And dont even attempt to argue about the head crest. The crest are everything that sets Tyranids apart . its like their helmet, their signature.

LunaHound wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
That's an easy mistake to make. Even a seasoned Tyranid general might be guilty of it if they were only able to sneak a quick glance at the model or pictures of it, given that the new Flyrant has a completely different looking tail and legs than what we've seen previously.

"Tyrants have distinct crests" oh my god, give me a break.

Yes keep telling yourself that....
The Tyrant's head have been the same for the past.... decade almost?
Even the upper torso, and its arm slot designs, and back carapce is the same.

The only thing that could have thrown someone off, is if they werent expecting GW to include the serpentine lower torso.

My point is, you can argue all you want with this about me doubting the rumor mongers you respect ( I do respect them)
however, to argue anything more about that thing looking like a Harpy? Nope... looks like a Tyrant with wings....
and it is.

And dont even attempt to argue about the head crest. The crest are everything that sets Tyranids apart . its like their helmet, their signature.

You are assuming that not only do the people who provided the early rumors know anything about tyranids, ande that they saw a completed, painted model. If I looked at some Brettonan horse models, I'd have no idea what they were, though I assume they also have distinct features that set them apart.

Additionally, you assume that they saw completed, assembled models. Try looking at them is sprue form, and figuring out what they look like when assembled.

MajorWesJanson wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
That's an easy mistake to make. Even a seasoned Tyranid general might be guilty of it if they were only able to sneak a quick glance at the model or pictures of it, given that the new Flyrant has a completely different looking tail and legs than what we've seen previously.

"Tyrants have distinct crests" oh my god, give me a break.

Yes keep telling yourself that....
The Tyrant's head have been the same for the past.... decade almost?
Even the upper torso, and its arm slot designs, and back carapce is the same.

The only thing that could have thrown someone off, is if they werent expecting GW to include the serpentine lower torso.

My point is, you can argue all you want with this about me doubting the rumor mongers you respect ( I do respect them)
however, to argue anything more about that thing looking like a Harpy? Nope... looks like a Tyrant with wings....
and it is.

And dont even attempt to argue about the head crest. The crest are everything that sets Tyranids apart . its like their helmet, their signature.

You are assuming that not only do the people who provided the early rumors know anything about tyranids, ande that they saw a completed, painted model. If I looked at some Brettonan horse models, I'd have no idea what they were, though I assume they also have distinct features that set them apart.

Additionally, you assume that they saw completed, assembled models. Try looking at them is sprue form, and figuring out what they look like when assembled.

As much as I want to say "you are not wrong", I cant.

Because for the level of "leaks" you guys are willing to accept, was ultimately what allowed ghost21 ( and TONS of others like him ) to spawn from.
Im looking for a healthy balance of rumors that are actually not made up, and part of it's integrity requires none vague answers anyone can pull from their bum hole
and later not be held accountable because how vague it was.

If it means anything to you, I also believe Hasting , Harry's rumors, I have 100% faith in them

LunaHound wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Deadshot wrote:Maybe the.informant misstook the flyrant for a harpy?

Not possible, Flyrant looks like Flyrant, its like mistaking a skunk for a cat.

Early rumours by stickmonkey. Later confirmation by Harry, who doesn't play 40k and was not certain what a Harpy is. So it is possible, but I still have hopes (and a non-GW Harpy )

BTW nice skunk in your avatar

Hey!! now that is entirely possible. >.<
I do like the fluffeh tails

Altruizine wrote:I just wanted to say that somebody suggesting that it's impossible to mix up the Flyrant with the Harpy is r i d i c you l o you s.

That's an easy mistake to make. Even a seasoned Tyranid general might be guilty of it if they were only able to sneak a quick glance at the model or pictures of it, given that the new Flyrant has a completely different looking tail and legs than what we've seen previously.

"Tyrants have distinct crests" oh my god, give me a break.

Yes keep telling yourself that....
The Tyrant's head have been the same for the past.... decade almost?
Even the upper torso, and its arm slot designs, and back carapce is the same.

The only thing that could have thrown someone off, is if they werent expecting GW to include the serpentine lower torso.

My point is, you can argue all you want with this about me doubting the rumor mongers you respect ( I do respect them)
however, to argue anything more about that thing looking like a Harpy? Nope... looks like a Tyrant with wings....
and it is.

And dont even attempt to argue about the head crest. The crest are everything that sets Tyranids apart . its like their helmet, their signature.

And my point is that a normal person taking a quick look at a prelease Flyrant wouldn't see any of those things. Nobody but a fanatic Tyranid player with an aspie checklist of likes and dislikes would. Tyrants have spikes on their heads. So do Carnifexes. Big deal. You really think somebody sneaking a peek at the Flyrant is going to run through a mental verification of Common Tyranid Head Spike Characteristics before deciding what they think it is?

LunaHound wrote:If it means anything to you, I also believe Hasting , Harry's rumors, I have 100% faith in them

As I said, both are strict Fantasy players not familiar with or interested in 40k at all, so they might get some 40k names and details wrong. And to be fair, just give the Flyrant two stranglethorn cannons and it is a perfect harpy.

And stickmonkey answer to what different models he has s een was quite cryptic.

IIRC, Harry didn't see the Harpy model, he was told there was one. Stickmonkey claimed he saw one.

Altruizine wrote:
And my point is that a normal person taking a quick look at a prelease Flyrant wouldn't see any of those things. Nobody but a fanatic Tyranid player with an aspie checklist of likes and dislikes would. Tyrants have spikes on their heads. So do Carnifexes. Big deal. You really think somebody sneaking a peek at the Flyrant is going to run through a mental verification of Common Tyranid Head Spike Characteristics before deciding what they think it is?

... Yes its the primary purpose of a design characteristic and attribute.
Its the first impression all animals are supposed to get for seeing something.

But that would be a totally different topic, so lets end the OT here, shall we?

Back on Topic.

I want to fill my troop choices with warriors....

melee warriors

with tons of lash wips
and bone swords

How do I do this cheap and affordable?
What combinations?
Can Warriors abuse wound allocation?

Sticking on Topic...

My Tyrannofexes are awesome

They are Amazing models with LOTS of bits, and if you build them as Tyrannofexes, you can still use the Birthing Sacks as handy Mycetic Spores ^^!


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Also, Pics to prove it!!!!

Tyrannofex:


Mycetic Spore:

And also some pics on how i used left over bobbins to imporve my Zoanthrope, to a Doom of Malantai ^^!

can we have size comparison between the new tyranofex and a carnifex please? :'D

Ofc.

Can i have a Carnifex please ^^?

Mines smashed into pieces :L

you can have one with my Tervigonofex later on today ^^!

I could have sworn these were coming out on March 5th, but then my FLGS called me today saying my Tervigons are ready for pickup. Delicious!

[quote=LunaHound
I want to fill my troop choices with warriors....

melee warriors

with tons of lash wips
and bone swords

How do I do this cheap and affordable?
What combinations?
Can Warriors abuse wound allocation?

Stick Warriors in strong cover and they can take a while to whittle down, if your enemy bothers to shoot at them at all. They can provide useful mid-to-backfield synapse coverage, or you can run them up close - however, they are incredibly vulnerable to S8+, so use extreme caution with them.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:Stick Warriors in strong cover and they can take a while to whittle down, if your enemy bothers to shoot at them at all. They can provide useful mid-to-backfield synapse coverage, or you can run them up close - however, they are incredibly vulnerable to S8+, so use extreme caution with them.

Use a Hive Tyrant to outflank them, then come on and hit them with FNP from a tervigon and you have a strong unit walking onto the field from the board edge, firing 27 Str. 5 shots, and looking for a fight. If only you could attach a prime to this combo.

Or (what I'm toying with now), deploy them normally, hit them with FNP and Catalyst, move, run, and be halfway across the board on turn 1, firing 27 shots 18" away. Just gotta skirt the cover.

LunaHound wrote:
I want to fill my troop choices with warriors....

melee warriors

with tons of lash wips
and bone swords

How do I do this cheap and affordable?
What combinations?
Can Warriors abuse wound allocation?

A 5 strong warrior unit with either a VC or BS and a Prime attached are relatively resilient and give you reasonable wound allocation tricks. Against missile spam, get your Tervy to FnP them, give your Prime regen and let him gobble up missiles for you - nothing more annoying for your opponent than 4 missiles going into them, 3 hitting, 3 wounding, 1 getting eaten by your prime (4+ cover + FnP), one getting saved by cover and only one warrior dying. He could have brought a Tervy down to half wounds or killed 1-2 Hive Guard - I know where I'de be sending my missiles!

Having said that - if you want melee troops, stealers are probably a better bet But that's just my personal preference!

Back on Topic - My pre-ordered T-Fex and Flyrant should be arriving soon - if I get them before other post comparison pics then I'll post some - but not sure when they'll show up...

LunaHound wrote:can we have size comparison between the new tyranofex and a carnifex please? :'D

Until I have built mine, here the previously posted WD pic:

I guess Biovores are somewhat 'officially' on 60mm bases now.

Which is a good thing, as I have them based that way ... and now the Pyrovore officially fits as a replacement

It's funny how tiny that carnifex looks on the bottom row.

Got myself the Swarmlord today, gonna test my magnetizing skills to see if I can make him a Flyrant as well.

That's actually a good idea, Bloodhorror - if you make the TFex, the unneeded Tervigon egg sac makes a great basis for a mycetic spore conversion. Just needs some half-open armour plates around the sac.

The conversion potential of these kits, especially combined with the existing kits, seems incredible.

Anyone used their leftover bits for anything else interesting yet? Or combined bits to make original variants? E.g. some people don't like the TFex/Tervigon's hunched over pose due to the long back legs, so I wonder how it would look with the back legs of a tryrant or carnifex? Or how a walking tyrant might look with the TFex/Tervigon's long back legs?

Scratch my previous post - the parts aren't really there for a magnetized Flyrant/Swarmlord... at least, not easily. However, all you need is a torso and maybe some arms and you have yourself another Tyrant for cheap. THAT is something I'm definitely going to do soon!

Rbb wrote:It's funny how tiny that carnifex looks on the bottom row.

Thats the thing, I have everything there other than the Tyrranofex
and Carnifex isnt that small compared to everything else!

Absolutionis wrote:I guess Biovores are somewhat 'officially' on 60mm bases now.

Which is odd, considering White Dwarf and the GW website both show that the new finecast version comes with a 40mm base, yet state that it comes with a 60mm base. I know the whole 'use the base that it comes with' thing, but having the official preview images show it on a 40mm abse and then it comes with a 60mm base is a bit odd.

LunaHound wrote:Thats the thing, I have everything there other than the Tyrranofex
and Carnifex isnt that small compared to everything else!

But 60mm bases mostly look half the size of a 120mm base, so the pics look genuine. But as said, I will make a pic when my Tervigon is ready.

-Loki- wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:I guess Biovores are somewhat 'officially' on 60mm bases now.

Which is odd, considering White Dwarf and the GW website both show that the new finecast version comes with a 40mm base, yet state that it comes with a 60mm base.

The metal one was provided with a 40mm base. And I don't think they painted a new Finecast one for the official pic.

Most of the Finecast product images are the original metal model. You can tell because it's not only the same picture as from before it was Finecast, but also because it doesn't have any holes.

They call Ravagers Mantifexes? Odd.

Swordwind wrote:They call Ravagers Mantifexes? Odd.

You call Raveners Ravagers? Odd.

GW has always sucked at translating their books.

Well I don't play Tyranids, but at least I got the first syllable right.

...sigh. The more I look at it, there are only 2 bits that keep the Swarmlord set from being able to build 2 Tyrants - the torso, and the piece that connects the torso to the legs. If you can ebay these, you can get 2 Tyrants in 1 box. And because of this it is actually far easier to magnetize them than I thought - I'm going to give it a shot! If it works out, I'll put it in the Showcase.

LunaHound wrote:can we have size comparison between the new tyranofex and a carnifex please? :'D

I just finished assembly:


There really IS an enormous difference.

I also put up a quick mini-tutorial showing how easy-ish it is to magnetize a Tervigon-Tyrannofex:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/434285.page

I wonder how it compares to a Heridule.

darknightwing wrote:I wonder how it compares to a Heridule.

Actually, how is this