I believe somebody had said the UK store does not display the Tyrant either. I'm glad I picked up one of the Finecast and built it. The model was in pretty good shape (for Finecast) and I like the weight and detail more than the metal model. I magnetized it and think its great.
I think I finally figured it out since I play tyranids I have been needing some models to include a hive tyrant(my three year old son got a hold of it while I was at work and decided to play with the dog......poor tyrant never had a chance). Waited patiently and there is still nothing, so I called, and of course the rep knows nothing. I think that they take stuff off and then see how many disgruntal people call asking about it. Then they see if it is worth releasing. Well i am disgruntal and called I think every tyranid player needing tyranid models should start calling let them know we need love......if we don't I shudder to think what could happen....remember the squats.
Ok maybe a little extreme but I think everyone gets my point.
HungryTaz wrote:I believe somebody had said the UK store does not display the Tyrant either. I'm glad I picked up one of the Finecast and built it. The model was in pretty good shape (for Finecast) and I like the weight and detail more than the metal model. I magnetized it and think its great.
The UK site is displaying the Hive Tyrant and Tyrant Guard for me.
It was mentioned several times that in North America, the Hive Tyrant is currently not available and not shown in the GW webstore.
At the same time it is available and shown in the European GW webstore. Stocks here are over 500 boxes, so far from OOP.
Could be an indication for a plastic kit coming (as one rumour says), could be something else.
From BoLS, there is a link to the Cover of Feb WD. Not sure if that means no Tyranids if they are only going off the cover.
Well looks like the rumours are wrong then if no Nid/Necron release. Was getting excited for new Nids. If no new Nids looks like my money is going to PP now.
From BoLS, there is a link to the Cover of Feb WD. Not sure if that means no Tyranids if they are only going off the cover.
Well looks like the rumours are wrong then if no Nid/Necron release. Was getting excited for new Nids. If no new Nids looks like my money is going to PP now.
From BoLS, there is a link to the Cover of Feb WD. Not sure if that means no Tyranids if they are only going off the cover.
Well looks like the rumours are wrong then if no Nid/Necron release. Was getting excited for new Nids. If no new Nids looks like my money is going to PP now.
From BoLS, there is a link to the Cover of Feb WD. Not sure if that means no Tyranids if they are only going off the cover.
Well looks like the rumours are wrong then if no Nid/Necron release. Was getting excited for new Nids. If no new Nids looks like my money is going to PP now.
Pretty sure they wouldn't put a 2nd wave release on the cover of WD. Doesn't discredit it entirely, but it does mean that we likely won't see anything til late Februrary, as per the new rumour.
Yeah, I think I'm quite done with hoping for something from GW. I'm just going to accept the fact that Tyranids will be getting nothing until their new Codex, god knows when that'll hit, and just get on with my life...
Nothing wrong with getting enthusiastic about the rumours, but just remember, that's what they are, rumours.
This is likely a reason GW tried to keep them down a bit - White Dwarf is done 3 months ahead of release, so they obviously had no intention of releasing Tyranids this month. A few rumours guys just got a whole community hyped for a release this coming month that was never planned.
They should obviously step in and say 'no, it's not February'. But then people would get even more hyped saying that they're just doing damage control.
Well I guess me going ahead and building that Tyrannofex wasn't a waste of time luckily. Phew! Plus it looks pretty cool and gave me a bit of green-stuff practice.
It's fortuitous enough for me since I'm looking at getting some battlefoam inserts for my nids this week. I won't have to worry it's taking away money better spend on big gribblies.
-Loki- wrote:Nothing wrong with getting enthusiastic about the rumours, but just remember, that's what they are, rumours.
This is likely a reason GW tried to keep them down a bit - White Dwarf is done 3 months ahead of release, so they obviously had no intention of releasing Tyranids this month. A few rumours guys just got a whole community hyped for a release this coming month that was never planned.
They should obviously step in and say 'no, it's not February'. But then people would get even more hyped saying that they're just doing damage control.
What they should do is post some form of 'upcoming' schedule so customers know what to expect. Something as vague as:
December WD: "Coming soon... new xenomorphs spotted in sector ASDFG"
January WD: "Coming very soon... the Hive Fleet grows"
February WD: "Coming next month... mighty new Tyranid creatures!"
That gives the customer increasing levels of information for which to budget, and would likely result in increased sales for the release month. Instead they assume everyone is a kid with infinite pocket money who will snap up the latest release just because "it's new", and because there's no sign of anything more interesting.
The next White Dwarf/set of releases will be released on Saturday 25th February, right? So technically, there could still be Tyranids/Necrons released that month.....
-Loki- wrote:Nothing wrong with getting enthusiastic about the rumours, but just remember, that's what they are, rumours.
This is likely a reason GW tried to keep them down a bit - White Dwarf is done 3 months ahead of release, so they obviously had no intention of releasing Tyranids this month. A few rumours guys just got a whole community hyped for a release this coming month that was never planned.
They should obviously step in and say 'no, it's not February'. But then people would get even more hyped saying that they're just doing damage control.
What they should do is post some form of 'upcoming' schedule so customers know what to expect. Something as vague as:
December WD: "Coming soon... new xenomorphs spotted in sector ASDFG"
January WD: "Coming very soon... the Hive Fleet grows"
February WD: "Coming next month... mighty new Tyranid creatures!"
That gives the customer increasing levels of information for which to budget, and would likely result in increased sales for the release month. Instead they assume everyone is a kid with infinite pocket money who will snap up the latest release just because "it's new", and because there's no sign of anything more interesting.
One of the reasons many companies don't announce their products too far ahead of time is that people would be much less likely to buy prior to the release.
If GW told you that a Tervigon and Transportofex and ReallyAwesomeYetExpensiveofex were to be released this July, you'd be much less likely to buy anything from then until then. The way things are now, you're more inclined towards impulse buys here and there to feed your addiction to "The Games Workshop" hobby. When the new Tyranids roll around, you're delightfully surprised and poor... but you're going to save up and buy the stuff eventually.
-Loki- wrote:Nothing wrong with getting enthusiastic about the rumours, but just remember, that's what they are, rumours.
This is likely a reason GW tried to keep them down a bit - White Dwarf is done 3 months ahead of release, so they obviously had no intention of releasing Tyranids this month. A few rumours guys just got a whole community hyped for a release this coming month that was never planned.
They should obviously step in and say 'no, it's not February'. But then people would get even more hyped saying that they're just doing damage control.
What they should do is post some form of 'upcoming' schedule so customers know what to expect. Something as vague as:
December WD: "Coming soon... new xenomorphs spotted in sector ASDFG"
January WD: "Coming very soon... the Hive Fleet grows"
February WD: "Coming next month... mighty new Tyranid creatures!"
That gives the customer increasing levels of information for which to budget, and would likely result in increased sales for the release month. Instead they assume everyone is a kid with infinite pocket money who will snap up the latest release just because "it's new", and because there's no sign of anything more interesting.
One of the reasons many companies don't announce their products too far ahead of time is that people would be much less likely to buy prior to the release.
If GW told you that a Tervigon and Transportofex and ReallyAwesomeYetExpensiveofex were to be released this July, you'd be much less likely to buy anything from then until then. The way things are now, you're more inclined towards impulse buys here and there to feed your addiction to "The Games Workshop" hobby. When the new Tyranids roll around, you're delightfully surprised and poor... but you're going to save up and buy the stuff eventually.
On the internet age, the booming of new mini companies etc that strategy is not the best IMO... but hey as long as they are happy. My impulse reaction is storing GW and buying others companies minis and games. So even when nids hit the shelves its going to take them a lot of work to lure me in again... and I'm like totally nuts about nids.
Absolutionis wrote:If GW told you that a Tervigon and Transportofex and ReallyAwesomeYetExpensiveofex were to be released this July, you'd be much less likely to buy anything from then until then.
Based on? Because of?
Sorry, this does not compute. There's no basis for this assertion at all.
And then there's this:
Absolutionis wrote:One of the reasons many companies don't announce their products too far ahead of time is that people would be much less likely to buy prior to the release.
That's why there are trailers for movies out a year before the film, or you can pre-order upcoming games months before they come out and... oh wait. Companies do do previews of upcoming products.
Secrecy doesn't work in my local store. Nobody knows of new Vampire army book other than by chance.
And keeping the tervigon release date secret hurts Tyranid sales. Or what would you suggest as (compulsory) HQ for a tyranid beginner? No, there is no Tyranid Prime model either and beginners don't like conversions or 3-400 point HQs (tyrant with guard).
Absolutionis wrote:If GW told you that a Tervigon and Transportofex and ReallyAwesomeYetExpensiveofex were to be released this July, you'd be much less likely to buy anything from then until then.
Based on?
Because of?
Sorry, this does not compute. There's no basis for this assertion at all.
And then there's this:
Absolutionis wrote:One of the reasons many companies don't announce their products too far ahead of time is that people would be much less likely to buy prior to the release.
That's why there are trailers for movies out a year before the film, or you can pre-order upcoming games months before they come out and... oh wait. Companies do do previews of upcoming products.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and back H.B.M.C. on this one. Previews only enhance the want for people to buy things. In fact, enough buzz about a game gets people to get back into the game if they left.
GW really needs to get out from under this Hobbit restriction (if the rumor is true) and start building buzz for their lines again.
Absolutionis wrote:If GW told you that a Tervigon and Transportofex and ReallyAwesomeYetExpensiveofex were to be released this July, you'd be much less likely to buy anything from then until then.
Based on?
Because of?
Sorry, this does not compute. There's no basis for this assertion at all.
And then there's this:
Absolutionis wrote:One of the reasons many companies don't announce their products too far ahead of time is that people would be much less likely to buy prior to the release.
That's why there are trailers for movies out a year before the film, or you can pre-order upcoming games months before they come out and... oh wait. Companies do do previews of upcoming products.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to go ahead and back H.B.M.C. on this one. Previews only enhance the want for people to buy things. In fact, enough buzz about a game gets people to get back into the game if they left.
GW really needs to get out from under this Hobbit restriction (if the rumor is true) and start building buzz for their lines again.
Afraid I'm going to have to disagree with H.B.M.C. There's plenty of evidence that there's several different types of shopper; those who pre-plan their purchases and those driven by impulse buying. Dismissing Absolutionis's hypothesis to GW's marketing strategy whilst in no way supporting your assertion that previewing product would increase sales is extremely unfair. It's clear GW feels their customer base is predominately impulsive and caters towards their reaction to "Oooh, new shiny things". In fact, as you can see from the threads for new releases, it's clear that many users have an emotional reaction to models which would support this. (here's an example of research into different types of shoppers: http://www.acrwebsite.org/volumes/display.asp?id=7468&print=1)
The film preview comparison is a difficult one; the studio is trying not to sell you an object of desire but time spent. Studios are also more often in conflict with each other for its customer base, as opposed to GW who have a captive audience due to the investment in their game system.
I would like to say I'm not suggesting for a second that I agree with the way GW markets or releases its products.
Kroothawk wrote: beginners don't like conversions or 3-400 point HQs (tyrant with guard).
Tyrant Guard was my second model, and the Tyrant my third.
Also, knowing that I am planning and saving for a purchase does not prevent the impulse buys.
Their catering pretty much only to impulse buys prevents my impulse buys.
On the other hand, third party sales of missing models reduce the pool of people willing to buy the official models. If GW gave release dates a lot of people would hold off on those purchase.
Branderic wrote:If GW gave release dates a lot of people would hold off on those purchase.
Maybe not if GW's answer is: "In 2-3 years."
If they did say that, I would at least feel that it would be worth converting models to count as the missing minis, instead of as it stands now where people like me without much talent for converting aren't willing to attempt it when we think that maybe just maybe the actual models will be released soon.
edit: I just noticed on the Tyranid page of GWs site that most of the Tyranid articles are gone. Is it that way for everyone else?
GW's secrecy policy harmed them in my own experience at least. I was interested in Dark Eldar but saw a great Eldar megaforce deal on Ebay, so I bought it from that seller. A week later the DE Megaforce pops out of nowhere. I would have bought that from GW.
Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:edit: I just noticed on the Tyranid page of GWs site that most of the Tyranid articles are gone. Is it that way for everyone else?
Most of the hobby articles got removed recently. They are probably going to reupload and update them.
Absolutionis wrote:If GW told you that a Tervigon and Transportofex and ReallyAwesomeYetExpensiveofex were to be released this July, you'd be much less likely to buy anything from then until then.
Based on?
Because of?
Sorry, this does not compute. There's no basis for this assertion at all.
And then there's this:
Absolutionis wrote:One of the reasons many companies don't announce their products too far ahead of time is that people would be much less likely to buy prior to the release.
That's why there are trailers for movies out a year before the film, or you can pre-order upcoming games months before they come out and... oh wait. Companies do do previews of upcoming products.
Movies and Video Games and other forms of entertainment don't compare to miniatures too well. The value of Movies and Video Games depreciates over time. A movie that's out for $10 today will eventually end up showing at a $1.50 theatre and maybe even show on TV. Video Games drop off significantly after the first few weeks. (pardon the US Dollar example). Fact is, most miniatures products, and especially GW product does NOT depreciate over time so they're just as inclined to sell old product as new product.
It computes and there is a basis for this assertion. It is still, of course, purely hypothetical from my point of view.
Harriticus wrote:GW's secrecy policy harmed them in my own experience at least. I was interested in Dark Eldar but saw a great Eldar megaforce deal on Ebay, so I bought it from that seller. A week later the DE Megaforce pops out of nowhere. I would have bought that from GW.
...and your probably eventually will. In the end, GW ended up selling an old Eldar battleforce where it would have been less likely for them to sell it otherwise.
Absolutionis wrote:If GW told you that a Tervigon and Transportofex and ReallyAwesomeYetExpensiveofex were to be released this July, you'd be much less likely to buy anything from then until then. The way things are now, you're more inclined towards impulse buys here and there to feed your addiction to "The Games Workshop" hobby. When the new Tyranids roll around, you're delightfully surprised and poor... but you're going to save up and buy the stuff eventually.
The thing is, for me, I am not buying anything GW now. All I collect is DA and Tyranids. I want to buy stuff for Tyranids. Thing is, nothing to buy, I am NOT going to start a new different army. I want Tyranids and DA only nothing else. So since I am ithcing to buy something, I came along and found Magic for my son, so now they get money and Hordes from Privateer Press. Looks like when Tyranids if and do come out even in March, GW will not be getting from me anymore since my money is going else where now. Too little too late. Thing is, I guess I am a minority so doesn't matter to GW.
Maybe too many people jump from one army to another, so I guess this how is how GW runs. I am not like that, so it looks like I am on my last legs of 40K. I thougt something new for Tyrnaids would keep me into it, but sadly it's not here now.
I need a sanity check. Was looking at Tyranid stuff on the GW website today, and noticed two things. Could someone confirm that this isn't just my faulty memory:
1) Tyranid warriors have new box art
2) Hive tyrant linked to from the army page, though the link still doesn't work, has had its price increased.
edit: Carnifex & Biovore boxes also look unfamiliar.
Something I did notice when checking out the Warrior page for box art, is the page has 'With this box you can build the following', and the Tyranid Primes information is under the Tyranid Warrior information.
Seems they're hinting that we're not getting a Prime model - use a Warrior.
-Loki- wrote:Something I did notice when checking out the Warrior page for box art, is the page has 'With this box you can build the following', and the Tyranid Primes information is under the Tyranid Warrior information.
Seems they're hinting that we're not getting a Prime model - use a Warrior.
The border looks different to me. While the pic looks the same, it does look different, wich I think is the border. Top left has a ribbon or what ever it's called. The Carnifex and Biovore deffintly is new I believe. Could be wrong but looks new to me.
H.B.M.C. wrote:That's why there are trailers for movies out a year before the film, or you can pre-order upcoming games months before they come out and... oh wait. Companies do do previews of upcoming products.
difference being that movies are very short run, games are even short run in general, where gw minis are generally available for years and years...
i'm the kind of shopper that knowing before hand doesn't really matter. if i can't afford it the day it comes out, i just wait to buy it when i can... no saving beforehand will change me biung a mini, sooner or later, if i want it, then i'll buy it... can't really go to the movies after 6 months and expect to see the same thing...
not saying i wouldn't like to know or see what's coming up, it just doesn't really change my spending...
Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:edit: I just noticed on the Tyranid page of GWs site that most of the Tyranid articles are gone. Is it that way for everyone else?
Most of the hobby articles got removed recently. They are probably going to reupload and update them.
They are more likely to turn them into a book they'll sell for more money than it's worth.
-Loki- wrote:Someone on Warseer said their local GW was told they'd be returning the finecast Hive Tyrant to HQ on February 31st.
Seems it might have been bumped back a month for the LOTR issue.
Well not sure if it's "bumped" back. Since WD is what, made 3 months in advance, GW is following a time line, so if something changed, then it changed 3 or so months ago. So Tyranids/Necrons were never slotted for February. Then again we don't know what else is being released for February, but I can't see LotR and Tyranids/Necrons being released at the same time, but who knows, it can still happen, but I doubt it.
Well yeah, I know that. I pointed that out already. But for the rumour guys, some of them see timetables - stickmonkey mentioned his timetable had Tyranids and Necrons in February. Between him seeing the time table and White Dwarf actually to print, GW must have decided to bump back the Tyranid/Necron issue for the LOTR issue.
-Loki- wrote:Something I did notice when checking out the Warrior page for box art, is the page has 'With this box you can build the following', and the Tyranid Primes information is under the Tyranid Warrior information.
Seems they're hinting that we're not getting a Prime model - use a Warrior.
The border looks different to me. While the pic looks the same, it does look different, wich I think is the border. Top left has a ribbon or what ever it's called. The Carnifex and Biovore deffintly is new I believe. Could be wrong but looks new to me.
Just got home and checked my existing boxes, and the warriors and carnifex are different. My boxes all have a whiter background, and the warriors picture doesn't have the ripper swarm. This might not mean anything though; I bought my stuff around six months ago, and it could have changed before now and I just never noticed until now.
Nobody with the US site has said anything about the Hive Tyrant price...has it been 57.75 for a while now? I hope I didn't pay that much for the three kits I bought...
-Loki- wrote:Well yeah, I know that. I pointed that out already. But for the rumour guys, some of them see timetables - stickmonkey mentioned his timetable had Tyranids and Necrons in February. Between him seeing the time table and White Dwarf actually to print, GW must have decided to bump back the Tyranid/Necron issue for the LOTR issue.
That is what I was thinking of, but I have read that WD is done about 3 months ahead of time. I can't see GW changing a 3 month or more (or less) scheduel just because of some rumours. That would be like saying GW is changing the 40K 6th edition rules because of the "leak". Februarys WD issues was made around November or so. Printing must have been done about a month, or a few weeks ago. So I don't think GW changed things just because of a few rumours.
Davor wrote:The thing is, for me, I am not buying anything GW now. All I collect is DA and Tyranids. I want to buy stuff for Tyranids. Thing is, nothing to buy, I am NOT going to start a new different army.
Why would you buy a new army, when you can make vastly different builds within a single army? Unless I can field all sorts of Tyranid lists, I'll continue to buy models until, eventually, I can.
I want at least -
3 dakkafexes, 3 Trygons, 9 Hive Guards, 60 Genestealers, 2 Broodlords, 80 Hormagaunts, 10 Raveners, 3 Venomthropes, Doom, 4 Zoanthropes, 15 Warriors, Swarmlord, a second Tyranid Prime and a second Tyrant (didn't magnetize my first ones), I want a Deathleaper and at least 3 Lictors, 3 Biovores and 40 Gargoyles, ~120 Termagants, 5 Tervigons and finally 3 Tyrannofex (I hate that silly name). If the rules change or things like Mawloc and Harpy becomes un-f*cked, my wishlist might expand further. On top of that I want loads of Boneswords and Lashwhips (hello paulsongames!).
I want to be able to do nidzilla, different horde styles, reserve armies, mid-sized model spam, gunlines, deathstar, genestealer spam and all kinds of balanced mixes. Because it's fun, and it keeps me interested.
Also, Hormagants and Termagaunts are back in the same box together. When did that happen? Oh, hmm... actually, the box is listed as no longer available. I found it by following the "Have you got?" link on the carnifex page. I guess it's just an old link?
The Carnifex box looks like the ones I bought last year, but since I don't have them around to compare I can't be sure.
jake wrote:Also, Hormagants and Termagaunts are back in the same box together. When did that happen? Oh, hmm... actually, the box is listed as no longer available. I found it by following the "Have you got?" link on the carnifex page. I guess it's just an old link?
Old link. The product is still in the system, but it's inactive.
I didn't say is disappeared on the Gw site, just that it is no longer available:
Tyranid Biovore
The Biovore nurtures a clutch of Spore Mines inside its own body and launches them by a powerful muscle spasm. Each Spore Mine is bio-engineered as a specific piece of ammo.
This set contains 1 Biovore and 3 Spore Mines.
Availability: No Longer Available
Part Code: MPN 99110106055
Those two Greater Daemons are available in Finecast, so they were likely phased out. The product codes you posted are for the metal ones. For the Finecast versions of those two, just look in the Chaos Daemons army section.
edit* ninja'd by DarkStarSabre. that's what happens when you're slow on the keyboard I suppose
ShatteredBlade wrote:And so, I have to sit and wait to build my hive fleet.
Nothing says you can't start building your Hive Fleet, you just won't be able to finish it with official GW models still.
Hopefully we'll get something new soon.
ShatteredBlade wrote:And so, I have to sit and wait to build my hive fleet.
I do not understand. Why do you have to wait? What are you waiting for? If it's the mins that do not exsist, that is not an excuse. Alot of armies never had "official' minis. For the longest time SM had no Drop Pod. I believe SW players don't have minis for their minis as well and have to convert.
I don't know, you statement makes you look foolish, that is all I know. Complaining for complaining sakes I guess. Please explain what you mean so I can understand.
ShatteredBlade wrote:And so, I have to sit and wait to build my hive fleet.
I do not understand. Why do you have to wait? What are you waiting for? If it's the mins that do not exsist, that is not an excuse. Alot of armies never had "official' minis. For the longest time SM had no Drop Pod. I believe SW players don't have minis for their minis as well and have to convert.
I don't know, you statement makes you look foolish, that is all I know. Complaining for complaining sakes I guess. Please explain what you mean so I can understand.
To be fair, if an official model is supposed to be released supposedly this month ( from the original rumor )
he might as well as wait if he doesnt want to kit bash or sculpt his own, its perfectly normal.
The only reason the wait continues is the rumor turned out to be inaccurate.
Davor wrote:I do not understand. Why do you have to wait? What are you waiting for? If it's the mins that do not exsist, that is not an excuse. Alot of armies never had "official' minis. For the longest time SM had no Drop Pod. I believe SW players don't have minis for their minis as well and have to convert.
I don't know, you statement makes you look foolish, that is all I know. Complaining for complaining sakes I guess. Please explain what you mean so I can understand.
Two of the most important new units are missing: Tervigon and Tyrannofex. Both are complex monstrous creatures that take a lot of skill to convert or sculpt. We are not talking about a Coke tin proxy for a drop pod here or a rare special character. We are also not talking about Warrior Prime and Nemesis, who are also quite simple to convert. So if anyone looks foolish now, ...
Davor wrote:I do not understand. Why do you have to wait? What are you waiting for? If it's the mins that do not exsist, that is not an excuse. Alot of armies never had "official' minis. For the longest time SM had no Drop Pod. I believe SW players don't have minis for their minis as well and have to convert.
I don't know, you statement makes you look foolish, that is all I know. Complaining for complaining sakes I guess. Please explain what you mean so I can understand.
Two of the most important new units are missing: Tervigon and Tyrannofex. Both are complex monstrous creatures that take a lot of skill to convert or sculpt. We are not talking about a Coke tin proxy for a drop pod here or a rare special character. We are also not talking about Warrior Prime and Nemesis, who are also quite simple to convert. So if anyone looks foolish now, ...
Not only that, but some people actually like to have official models rather than kitbashing. Not having a Tervigon kit is what is keeping me from starting my Nids back up, so I am waiting.
It doesn't make him (or me) foolish to do what we do. We don't require your comprehension to validate our reasoning.
That said, Hastings just confirmed Tyranids 2nd wave being the next 40k release:
75hastings69 wrote:Having re-read this thread I want to point out that I am only confirming the starter as DA vs chaos NOT the DA & CSM codex release dates. The next 40k releases are :- 'nids, SW, necrons (all models only no codex)
N.I.B. wrote:Why would you buy a new army, when you can make vastly different builds within a single army?
Because I can't resist buying shiney new awesome looking models for armies I don't play, and then I feel like I have to build a 1000 pt army around them, and then I realize 1000 pts is not enough to be able to fit that ginormous dragon I just got into the list, and then I suddenly have a closet full of primed models I'll never get around to painting, and then I curse GW while I buy the next shiney new awesome model and start all over again.
That said, my nids are probably my most "complete" army out of everything I have
Kroothawk wrote:That said, Hastings just confirmed Tyranids 2nd wave being the next 40k release:
75hastings69 wrote:Having re-read this thread I want to point out that I am only confirming the starter as DA vs chaos NOT the DA & CSM codex release dates. The next 40k releases are :- 'nids, SW, necrons (all models only no codex)
Watch the release be damn Thunderwolves, after I just received my Mythicast ones.
He's probably one of the more solid rumor guys. Normally does confirmations rather than actual rumors which is nice. Him and Bramgaunt are pretty solid.
Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:So how is Hastings track record when it comes to rumors? More reliable than StickMonkey or Ghost I take it?
Hastings is as reliable as the Sun rising in the morning. In comparaison Stickmonkey and Ghost21 are as reliable as getting your dog to pick Lotto numbers
ShatteredBlade wrote:And so, I have to sit and wait to build my hive fleet.
I do not understand. Why do you have to wait? What are you waiting for? If it's the mins that do not exsist, that is not an excuse. Alot of armies never had "official' minis. For the longest time SM had no Drop Pod. I believe SW players don't have minis for their minis as well and have to convert.
I don't know, you statement makes you look foolish, that is all I know. Complaining for complaining sakes I guess. Please explain what you mean so I can understand.
To be fair, if an official model is supposed to be released supposedly this month ( from the original rumor )
he might as well as wait if he doesnt want to kit bash or sculpt his own, its perfectly normal.
The only reason the wait continues is the rumor turned out to be inaccurate.
That is true, but to get so upset over a rumour and then sound like "I am taking my ball and going home" over a rumour just seems childish too me. I guess because I see this on so many forums it just seems like everyone is whining now, when maybe they were not. Still making a one line sentence makes it look like that so he could have worded it better then.
Kroothawk wrote:
Davor wrote:I do not understand. Why do you have to wait? What are you waiting for? If it's the mins that do not exsist, that is not an excuse. Alot of armies never had "official' minis. For the longest time SM had no Drop Pod. I believe SW players don't have minis for their minis as well and have to convert.
I don't know, you statement makes you look foolish, that is all I know. Complaining for complaining sakes I guess. Please explain what you mean so I can understand.
Two of the most important new units are missing: Tervigon and Tyrannofex. Both are complex monstrous creatures that take a lot of skill to convert or sculpt. We are not talking about a Coke tin proxy for a drop pod here or a rare special character. We are also not talking about Warrior Prime and Nemesis, who are also quite simple to convert. So if anyone looks foolish now, ...
Again, other codicies don't have minis. Some of them I am sure are complex as well. I know I don't like to convert much either. Then again nothing is wrong with "counts as". Here is a carnifex, it's a Tervigon or Tyrannofex. Not that big of a deal. Ok I understand people would like to use minis that look like they are in the book. Thing is don't complain if you don't want to convert. Again pretty petty to complain about something so trivial.
puma713 wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Davor wrote:I do not understand. Why do you have to wait? What are you waiting for? If it's the mins that do not exsist, that is not an excuse. Alot of armies never had "official' minis. For the longest time SM had no Drop Pod. I believe SW players don't have minis for their minis as well and have to convert.
I don't know, you statement makes you look foolish, that is all I know. Complaining for complaining sakes I guess. Please explain what you mean so I can understand.
Two of the most important new units are missing: Tervigon and Tyrannofex. Both are complex monstrous creatures that take a lot of skill to convert or sculpt. We are not talking about a Coke tin proxy for a drop pod here or a rare special character. We are also not talking about Warrior Prime and Nemesis, who are also quite simple to convert. So if anyone looks foolish now, ...
Not only that, but some people actually like to have official models rather than kitbashing. Not having a Tervigon kit is what is keeping me from starting my Nids back up, so I am waiting.
It doesn't make him (or me) foolish to do what we do. We don't require your comprehension to validate our reasoning.
I understand people like to have Official minis. So do I. I also know that 40K and this Hobby doesn't have everything represented and so either you have to convert one, or use "counts as". I am not validating your reasoning at all. I am just asking why, since most people are really complaining for no reasoning. Why even start then when you know that alot of the minis will not be made.
After all, we are all Geeks and Nerds here. We are complaining about plastic toy soldiers. I would love to see you guys go out in public and collect a petition with actual paper and pen and ask people to sign the petition "why GW MUST make minis for everthing in all codicies" and then see the looks you will get with people. I am not validating anything, some of you guys are trying to do so by making excuses for your actions. I will say no more since it seems a few people are getting upset.
puma713 wrote:
Watch the release be damn Thunderwolves, after I just received my Mythicast ones.
There's nothing else it could really be; the only other things Wolves are missing are Fenrisian Wolves and special characters from this century.
Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:So how is Hastings track record when it comes to rumors? More reliable than StickMonkey or Ghost I take it?
I'm more reliable than those two. Hastings is about as good as Harry, and worth listening to even if his dates aren't 100% accurate all the time, as those change frequently I take it.
From what I gather, all the rumour people are pretty reliable who have been wrong from time to time and have been correct alot of times. So basically it's a hit and miss right now.
Davor wrote:Again, other codicies don't have minis. Some of them I am sure are complex as well. I know I don't like to convert much either.
This quote had me laughing. Right up there with the LOTR players harping on about how they'd not gotten anything for (gasp) nearly 2 years (For the record, they've gotten more than Tyranid players have since their codex was released. SERIOUSLY).
Also, please understand that Tyranids are missing a significant chunk of their range that aren't special characters.
DA - missing nothing.
Eldar - missing nothing (some models outdated).
Orks - missing SCs and Flash Gits.
Daemons - missing SCs.
CSM - missing nothing (though some models severely outdated)
SMs - missing conversion beamer for Techpriests and Khan on bike.
BA - missing nothing.
DE- missing SCs.
GK - missing SCs.
IG - missing SCs, Penal Legion, Medusa, Colossus, Griffon
SoB - missing nothing.
Necrons - missing SCs, Triarch Stalkers, Tomb Blades, Wraiths, Tomb Spyders, Doom Scythes and Night Scythes.
Tyranids - missing SCs, Tyranid Prime, Ymgarls, Mycetic Spores, Tervigons, Shrikes, Sky-slashers, Harpy and Tyrannofex.
Note, for this I'm not considering FW to count.
Note how the two armies missing the most are....the most recently released....and Tyranids.
Don't. Even. Go. There.
SWs - missing Thunderwolves and SCs.
Davor wrote:Again, other codicies don't have minis. Some of them I am sure are complex as well. I know I don't like to convert much either.
This quote had me laughing. Right up there with the LOTR players harping on about how they'd not gotten anything for (gasp) nearly 2 years (For the record, they've gotten more than Tyranid players have since their codex was released. SERIOUSLY).
Also, please understand that Tyranids are missing a significant chunk of their range that aren't special characters.
DA - missing nothing. Eldar - missing nothing (some models outdated). Orks - missing SCs and Flash Gits. Daemons - missing SCs. CSM - missing nothing (though some models severely outdated) SMs - missing conversion beamer for Techpriests and Khan on bike. BA - missing nothing. DE- missing SCs. GK - missing SCs. IG - missing SCs, Penal Legion, Medusa, Colossus, Griffon SoB - missing nothing. Necrons - missing SCs, Triarch Stalkers, Tomb Blades, Wraiths, Tomb Spyders, Doom Scythes and Night Scythes. Tyranids - missing SCs, Tyranid Prime, Ymgarls, Mycetic Spores, Tervigons, Shrikes, Sky-slashers, Harpy and Tyrannofex.
Note, for this I'm not considering FW to count.
Note how the two armies missing the most are....the most recently released....and Tyranids.
Don't. Even. Go. There. SWs - missing Thunderwolves and SCs.
Orks are also missing warbuggies not to mention meganobs and grot gun batterys are too expensive/out of date/ still only metal.
Please keep in mind that for the majority of missing figures for other armies, they are not core choices. Tervigons especially are included in nearly every list for Tyranids, while the other models listed are either A: easily converted (an ork is an ork) or B: novelties (SCs).
Where the necrons were given quite a few of their new units, Tyranids got the Trygon, Hive Guard, Pyrovores, and a resculpt of raveners and gargoyles into plastic. In effect, we got 3 new units, one of which is such a joke for rules that it can't even fulfill the role it seems to have been intended for.
it is not sour grapes from Tyranid players, it's simply frustrated wondering on when the heck we'll get the rest of our army.
You forgot that SMs are missing tons of dreadnaught options, land speeder options and razorback options and combi weapons. All of which are important for wysiwyg. Also missing bike/jumpack librarian, bike techmarine and non Ultramarine honor guard.
DarkStarSabre wrote:
Note how the two armies missing the most are....the most recently released....and Tyranids.
Don't. Even. Go. There.
SWs - missing Thunderwolves and SCs.
Orks are also missing warbuggies not to mention meganobs and grot gun batterys are too expensive/out of date/ still only metal.
These warbuggies? Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal. Cheers on the Meganobz though.
Also, which SCs are the SWs missing? Only one I can think of without a model is Arjac. Logan, Ragnar, and Ulrik all have (old) models, Njal has his old and new models, and Lukas and Canis are new with models.
Tyranids have been getting the shaft since their codex came out, this is, sadly, nothing new. Hopefully we will at least see what the official base sizes for the models will be, since my understanding is that the conversions vary enough between 'Fex bases and Trygon bases to cause trouble. Dismissing the concerns of Tyranid players is pretty much just being a jerk.
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Surtur wrote:You forgot that SMs are missing tons of dreadnaught options, land speeder options and razorback options and combi weapons. All of which are important for wysiwyg. Also missing bike/jumpack librarian, bike techmarine and non Ultramarine honor guard.
Grey knights are missing certain henchies.
IG are missing vets and hydra flack
In the cases of dreadnought options, you at least have some idea what to work with/for. We know what combi-weapons look like, we know what the different vehicle weapons look like and so forth.
No such luck for Tyranid players, who as mentioned before have no idea what size base their conversions even belong on. Sucks to be those people who use a Trygon base only to find out their models are suddenly illegal.
I suppose it's all academic for me though, I shelved my Nids for Orks quite awhile ago.
Granted WYSIWYG is very important to the game, but much of what you listed (Space Marine stuff) can be fairly easily converted or kitbashed to get what need, and have it look really good in the process.
At least half of what's missing from the Tyranid line (Tervigon, Tyrannofex, Harpy, Mycetic Spores) cannot have the same said for them.
I'd like to see a Tervigon kit and some other stuff myself. Though I rarely play with my Tyranid army I still enjoy collecting and modeling them, going all the way back to Advanced Space Crusade.
I'd like to see a Tervigon kit and some other stuff myself. Though I rarely play with my Tyranid army I still enjoy collecting and modeling them, going all the way back to Advanced Space Crusade.
Go back a page (on here, the Tyranid rumour thread) and you will find some rumours.
And thats the new books schedule, not the other releases. You don't think GW will only have 3 40k releases all year do you?
streamdragon wrote:Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal.
Yes... yes it is. I have ripped a Battlefoam 420 back once already with my 2000pt army... granted it was the first material they made the 420s out of, but... yeah, that sucked. I feel bad that you tyranid players don't have your wave 2 yet, but I'm still patiently waiting for my wave 1... *sigh*
Also, many dreadnaught options can be found from Forgeworld.
I'd gladly pay a premium so long as I at least HAD the option.
A line of thought on the recent developments from the Playtest leak (or whatever it's being called now); even if BoW is correct with their report, while it throws the question of the rules into flux, it does pose an interesting tidbit of information that was not contradicted: the Cerebore was still mentioned in the fluff as a transport, so who knows we may still be on track for that at some point.
streamdragon wrote:Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal.
Yes... yes it is. I have ripped a Battlefoam 420 back once already with my 2000pt army... granted it was the first material they made the 420s out of, but... yeah, that sucked. I feel bad that you tyranid players don't have your wave 2 yet, but I'm still patiently waiting for my wave 1... *sigh*
The issue was whether or not the model existed, not whether it was the ideal form. I have 2,000+ points of SoB, so believe me I feel your pain. Not being able to convert because the vast majority of the models are single piece molds doesn't help either. Despite that, we actually have the models. Perhaps not in the fashion we'd like, but again, should we desire to convert we at least know what to strive for. Tyranid players can't say the same for all their units/models.
streamdragon wrote:
These warbuggies? Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal. Cheers on the Meganobz though.
Those are reprehinsable, out of scale, expensive for what they are, and ugly models. Jus sayin thats all Not arguing with you as I'm waiting on an offical Tervigon for my army.
To me at least the unavailabilty of the Hive Tyrant is an indication something is up with Tyranids. Reminds me of what went down with Necrons before the codex.
I'd like to see a Tervigon kit and some other stuff myself. Though I rarely play with my Tyranid army I still enjoy collecting and modeling them, going all the way back to Advanced Space Crusade.
What 75hastings69 said on warseer today:
Having re-read this thread I want to point out that I am only confirming the starter as DA vs chaos NOT the DA & CSM codex release dates. The next 40k releases are :- 'nids, SW, necrons (all models only no codex)
streamdragon wrote:
These warbuggies? Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal. Cheers on the Meganobz though.
Those are reprehinsable, out of scale, expensive for what they are, and ugly models. Jus sayin thats all Not arguing with you as I'm waiting on an offical Tervigon for my army.
How are those ugly? I think they look great.
Also, I find it funny how some people say their army don't have certain models just because they "look bad".
Also, if we're not including out dated models then add Old One Eye to the list. And if you're going to mention war gear add Boneswords, Lash Whips and other war gear missing from the Tyranids.
All in all it blows for every army that doesn't have some of their models, yes, but Tyranids are at the top of the list. We pay good money for this game and GW should get their heads out of their and release everything they put in their Codecis!
streamdragon wrote:
These warbuggies? Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal. Cheers on the Meganobz though.
Those are reprehinsable, out of scale, expensive for what they are, and ugly models. Jus sayin thats all Not arguing with you as I'm waiting on an offical Tervigon for my army.
How are those ugly? I think they look great.
Also, I find it funny how some people say their army don't have certain models just because they "look bad".
Also, if we're not including out dated models then add Old One Eye to the list. And if you're going to mention war gear add Boneswords, Lash Whips and other war gear missing from the Tyranids.
All in all it blows for every army that doesn't have some of their models, yes, but Tyranids are at the top of the list. We pay good money for this game and GW should get their heads out of their and release everything they put in their Codecis!
/rant
I can't hate Old One Eye, mostly because of his name being a hilarious bit of innuendo.
Also I'm pretty sure the Tyranid second wave is an urban myth.
streamdragon wrote:Incidentally, what "wave 1" are you waiting on?
I don't want to stray too far off topic, but 'Wave 1' sisters... multipart plastics, is what I'm referring too
As for Tyranid players not having figs for some models... yeah, that does suck indeed... though while we have all of our models...and extras now (my cannoness used to have a JUMP PACK! >.< without much conversion or variation possibilities... I gotta say the FLGS Tyranid players have come up with some fantastic conversions for their missing models... a guy used left over bits from 2 trygons and a fresh carnifex to make whatever that birthing tyranid is (can't remember the name sadly)... and used the giant orcs and goblins spider for his tyranifex.... they look freaking terrifying...
Having said that, though... I just wish they'd release all models with each release... but I know their staggered releases is probably what helps their stock value stay steady... (my personal opinion was that it was a mistake for them to go public in the first place.... they should buy all outstanding shares and reclaim that their individuality, but that's just an opinion of course).
streamdragon wrote:
These warbuggies? Being old and metal isn't a qualifier either; the entire SoB line is metal. Cheers on the Meganobz though.
Those are reprehinsable, out of scale, expensive for what they are, and ugly models. Jus sayin thats all Not arguing with you as I'm waiting on an offical Tervigon for my army.
How are those ugly? I think they look great.
Also, I find it funny how some people say their army don't have certain models just because they "look bad".
Also, if we're not including out dated models then add Old One Eye to the list. And if you're going to mention war gear add Boneswords, Lash Whips and other war gear missing from the Tyranids.
All in all it blows for every army that doesn't have some of their models, yes, but Tyranids are at the top of the list. We pay good money for this game and GW should get their heads out of their and release everything they put in their Codecis!
/rant
I can't hate Old One Eye, mostly because of his name being a hilarious bit of innuendo.
Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:So how is Hastings track record when it comes to rumors? More reliable than StickMonkey or Ghost I take it?
Hasting is accurate, accurate enough for us to know he is telling the truth.
Ghost21 on the other hands speculates the same way those online "psychic hotline" works.
Here watch this, i'll do the same:
Tau will get new type of experimental suit, with new type of weaponry. And there will be hybrid kit.
They'll get 2-4 new characters, with 2 new sculpts for special character ( wow i saw them they are beautiful )
-Loki- wrote:Tyranid names and the model range are full of wang jokes.
I dunno, reading the names right now and my minds drawing a blank :\
Full was an exaggeration, though it's in the model range more than the names, like, the Pyrovores long, veiny instrument, the old Exocrines wang-cannon. The new Biovore... yeah. That's one I better not describe.
Tyranids are biological in every way. They also have guns. It's hard to make bio-guns without being phallic.
If it makes you feel any better, many of the Tyranids are named after various words for "angry woman". Also, many Tyranids from the Mycetic Spores to Norn Queens to the Tervigons are rather yonic.
Perhaps we can just settle with Tyranids being biologic.
I've never considered the Tyranids to have any sexuality at all, and never thought of them as containing phallic imagery, so thanks for that.
LunaHound wrote:Here watch this, i'll do the same:
Tau will get new type of experimental suit, with new type of weaponry. And there will be hybrid kit.
They'll get 2-4 new characters, with 2 new sculpts for special character ( wow i saw them they are beautiful )
OMG Luna! Quick! E-mail BLOS so they can report it a week from now!!!
Absolutionis wrote:Tyranids are biological in every way. They also have guns. It's hard to make bio-guns without being phallic.
If it makes you feel any better, many of the Tyranids are named after various words for "angry woman". Also, many Tyranids from the Mycetic Spores to Norn Queens to the Tervigons are rather yonic.
Perhaps we can just settle with Tyranids being biologic.
I agree, I not like the idea of Tyranid guns. I really much perfer the idea of more natural looking weapons. For example: the Deathspitter looks like a rifle and GW says it fires a maggot. Now wouldn't it make more sense for it to be a set of hollowed fang like a Cobra. And the Trygon's weapon seems right, as it moves along the ground it builds up an electric charge, we see that in Electric Eels.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I've never considered the Tyranids to have any sexuality at all, and never thought of them as containing phallic imagery, so thanks for that.
LunaHound wrote:Here watch this, i'll do the same:
Tau will get new type of experimental suit, with new type of weaponry. And there will be hybrid kit.
They'll get 2-4 new characters, with 2 new sculpts for special character ( wow i saw them they are beautiful )
OMG Luna! Quick! E-mail BLOS so they can report it a week from now!!!
The worst part is, some where along the line that thing i just made up will be passed on as rumor, from 1 to another.
People will no longer remember the source, and they'll believe the credibility because it makes sense.
Thats why there are so many colliding rumors.
There is an easy way to know if ghost is telling the truth or not about the sculpts he see.
He can say its so huge , so more buff , so better proportions all he wants,
ask him how the sculpt is posed.
I guarantee he'll never be able to respond that without been exposed.
Absolutionis wrote:Tyranids are biological in every way. They also have guns. It's hard to make bio-guns without being phallic.
If it makes you feel any better, many of the Tyranids are named after various words for "angry woman". Also, many Tyranids from the Mycetic Spores to Norn Queens to the Tervigons are rather yonic.
Perhaps we can just settle with Tyranids being biologic.
I agree, I not like the idea of Tyranid guns. I really much perfer the idea of more natural looking weapons. For example: the Deathspitter looks like a rifle and GW says it fires a maggot. Now wouldn't it make more sense for it to be a set of hollowed fang like a Cobra. And the Trygon's weapon seems right, as it moves along the ground it builds up an electric charge, we see that in Electric Eels.
I dunno, some of the weapons, like Bio Plasma and the Trygon's gun and the torso mounted guns on raveners do look cool, but the idea of organic weaponry that is super specialized fits fine for the aesthetic. Remember the deathspitter used to be the Tyranid's version of a frag missile, so I don't really see cobra fangs handling that. The second edition book had extremely detailed descriptions for how each of the guns was loaded and fired, and frankly they were really really cool. The Deathspitter basically took an acidic grub, tore the carapace off and launched the thing at the target. When it hit the grub would splatter the area in highly caustic acid. The barbed strangler was a particularly evil and wicked one...
So yea, anyway... guns work. They're not mindless beasts.
Absolutionis wrote:Tyranids are biological in every way. They also have guns. It's hard to make bio-guns without being phallic.
If it makes you feel any better, many of the Tyranids are named after various words for "angry woman". Also, many Tyranids from the Mycetic Spores to Norn Queens to the Tervigons are rather yonic.
Perhaps we can just settle with Tyranids being biologic.
I agree, I not like the idea of Tyranid guns. I really much perfer the idea of more natural looking weapons. For example: the Deathspitter looks like a rifle and GW says it fires a maggot. Now wouldn't it make more sense for it to be a set of hollowed fang like a Cobra. And the Trygon's weapon seems right, as it moves along the ground it builds up an electric charge, we see that in Electric Eels.
I dunno, some of the weapons, like Bio Plasma and the Trygon's gun and the torso mounted guns on raveners do look cool, but the idea of organic weaponry that is super specialized fits fine for the aesthetic. Remember the deathspitter used to be the Tyranid's version of a frag missile, so I don't really see cobra fangs handling that. The second edition book had extremely detailed descriptions for how each of the guns was loaded and fired, and frankly they were really really cool. The Deathspitter basically took an acidic grub, tore the carapace off and launched the thing at the target. When it hit the grub would splatter the area in highly caustic acid. The barbed strangler was a particularly evil and wicked one...
So yea, anyway... guns work. They're not mindless beasts.
I didn't know the Deathspitter was the Tyranid Krak Missile like the Impaler Cannon is now, I thought of it as the Heavy bolter. But then again I did just come in at the beginning of 5th.
The deathspitter, back when it was usefull, use to fire a 24" small blast that was strength 6 AP 5. Thus why he said it was like a frag missle...kinda.
LunaHound wrote:Tau will get new type of experimental suit, with new type of weaponry. And there will be hybrid kit.
They'll get 2-4 new characters, with 2 new sculpts for special character ( wow i saw them they are beautiful )
This is awesome, I have a friend just starting up with Tau.
LunaHound wrote:Tau will get new type of experimental suit, with new type of weaponry. And there will be hybrid kit.
They'll get 2-4 new characters, with 2 new sculpts for special character ( wow i saw them they are beautiful )
This is awesome, I have a friend just starting up with Tau.
Geeze I hope thats sarcasm...
LunaHound wrote:
The worst part is, some where along the line that thing i just made up will be passed on as rumor, from 1 to another.
People will no longer remember the source, and they'll believe the credibility because it makes sense.
LunaHound wrote:Tau will get new type of experimental suit, with new type of weaponry. And there will be hybrid kit.
They'll get 2-4 new characters, with 2 new sculpts for special character ( wow i saw them they are beautiful )
This is awesome, I have a friend just starting up with Tau.
Man, I was just about to buy half a dozen Crisis suits but now I think I'll rather wait for the new ones.
LunaHound wrote:Tau will get new type of experimental suit, with new type of weaponry. And there will be hybrid kit.
They'll get 2-4 new characters, with 2 new sculpts for special character ( wow i saw them they are beautiful )
This is awesome, I have a friend just starting up with Tau.
Man, I was just about to buy half a dozen Crisis suits but now I think I'll rather wait for the new ones.
Squigsquasher wrote:If you think the new Biovore looks odd
I was so disppointed when I saw it. First I saw the artwork in the 5th edition book, which was fantastic, then I saw the model and... I don't know how they got the model so wrong but the art so right.
This is the Godwin's Law-equivalent of miniature gaming. If you try to belittle someone's hobby by using that term, you invalidate your argument.
NOt trying to belittle anyone here. I love this hobby. I play this hobby. I just see the hobby as over priced plastic toy soldiers. If I belittle anyone, I am belittling myself then. No not trying to belittle anyone.
Kroothawk wrote:Tyranid second wave is the next 40k release (Hastings) and includes Tervigon and Harpy (Harry). You can believe that.
That is really good to hear. Any word on if the Tervigon kit will be a dual kit with the Tyrannofex? If it is I will definitely be getting two or three. Also, any idea on a release date?
Kroothawk wrote:Tyranid second wave is the next 40k release (Hastings) and includes Tervigon and Harpy (Harry). You can believe that.
That is really good to hear. Any word on if the Tervigon kit will be a dual kit with the Tyrannofex? If it is I will definitely be getting two or three. Also, any idea on a release date?
I might pick up a Harpy for fun, but I will definitely get at least 2 Tervigons.
DarkStarSabre wrote:I think we've had this debate about biovores before.
As SRM states. There is no new biovore.
You have the 2nd edition biovore.
The 3rd edition 'Ork' biovore.
And the 4th edition biovore which has carried over into 5th.
However, it is worth mentioning that the Biovore is no longer available on GW.com. Not sure if that means it is being recast in Finecrap (probably), or there is a new model coming out.
You know, I would be fine with the current Biovore if it weren't for the supid looking "knuckle pushups" front limbs on it. I'm not a fan of its face either, but the limbs are the worst offender to me.
puma713 wrote:However, it is worth mentioning that the Biovore is no longer available on GW.com. Not sure if that means it is being recast in Finecrap (probably), or there is a new model coming out.
The more recent images of Biovores have shown them on a 60mm base. GW may be repackaging the entire box to Finecastize the Biovore and make it a 60mm base.
Absolutionis wrote:Tyranids are biological in every way. They also have guns. It's hard to make bio-guns without being phallic.
If it makes you feel any better, many of the Tyranids are named after various words for "angry woman".
NeutronPoison wrote:I don't know about "wang jokes", but "Termagant", "Harpy", and "Harridan" are all synonyms meaning "woman of unpleasant disposition".
Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:You know, I would be fine with the current Biovore if it weren't for the supid looking "knuckle pushups" front limbs on it. I'm not a fan of its face either, but the limbs are the worst offender to me.
I agree. I hate the 4th Ed. one. The pyrovore makes a much better model for the biovore, imo.
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Absolutionis wrote:
Absolutionis wrote:Tyranids are biological in every way. They also have guns. It's hard to make bio-guns without being phallic.
If it makes you feel any better, many of the Tyranids are named after various words for "angry woman".
NeutronPoison wrote:I don't know about "wang jokes", but "Termagant", "Harpy", and "Harridan" are all synonyms meaning "woman of unpleasant disposition".
NeutronPoison wrote:I don't know about "wang jokes", but "Termagant", "Harpy", and "Harridan" are all synonyms meaning "woman of unpleasant disposition".
There will be a Harpy special character called Hillary
DarthSpader wrote:i love the grin and pose of the 3rd ed one....looks like hes in the middle of "dropping a few bombs" and rather enjoying the process.
lol
haha, I have 2 of them and think it's a rather characterful pose.
Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:Nobody said anything about politics. Like everyone else, I'd rather be discussing the Tyranid kits that we could be getting sometime soon.
I just want a plastic Hive Tyrant with options for a Swarmlord. If you give me that, I'll be forced to break my embargo on Finecast and start up my Nids again.
Of course, if they did make a plastic Hive Tyrant/ Swarmlord kit, you wouldn't necessarily need to break your Finecast embargo/ boycott. Just if you wanted any Zoanthropes, Venomthropes, Lictors, Pyrovores, Tyrant Guard, Hive Guard, Broodlords or anything else they put into Finecast. That's all. Sometimes you can still find some of those in metal on eBay, but they usually cost as much or more than the Finecast equivalent..
Am I the only one who things it would be odd for a generic plastic kit (Hive Tyrant) to include specific parts for a Special Character? Has that ever been done before, be it 40K or Fantasy?
I'd be happy with a plastic HT that just had all the HT's options. Of course then I'd have to get more HTs... I've already got 6. I don't want any more.
ph34r wrote:... let's keep the Republican Hillary...
When did it become a Republican thing? Kroot's German. He ain't no Tea Party-er!
H.B.M.C. wrote:Am I the only one who things it would be odd for a generic plastic kit (Hive Tyrant) to include specific parts for a Special Character? Has that ever been done before, be it 40K or Fantasy?
I don't think so. Usually Special Characters are just that - Special in and of themselves. They're not, for the most part, a simple upgrade of another model and an upgrade of a model that requires its own plastic kit.
How many Special Characters have their own plastic kit (and thus, would allow options for one build or another)? I don't think it would be too much to ask for another head, another tail barb and a spare pair of boneswords thrown into a kit.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Am I the only one who things it would be odd for a generic plastic kit (Hive Tyrant) to include specific parts for a Special Character? Has that ever been done before, be it 40K or Fantasy?
In Fantasy, the Empire is going to be getting a plastic General on Griffon/Karl Franz kit, apparently.
The Skaven Furnace/Bell kit, the Vampire Throne/Engine, and the Khemri Warphinx/Necrosphinx are capable of creating units that are not specifically special characters, but undeniably one-ofs in an army. You simply cannot run two Coven Thrones or Screaming Bells in an army.
No 40k army really has a "special character" that would be as big as a Swarmlord. The Chaos Daemons Fateweaver comes close, but it came out before this recent trend in huge plastic kits.
Either way, knowing GW, they'll only put two Boneswords in the Tyrant kit and expect us to buy two kits to make a Swarmlord.
Wether they have kits that can either be a special character or not is irrelevant, they can always start with the Swarmlord. Especially with how easy it would be.
Sure they'll most likely increase the price by a good 20% because of the few extra pieces... But that's GW for ya.
LunaHound wrote:What rules does transport fex get? new WD supplement?
so far they are missing those transport spores that is in the codex
The idea/rumor is that the transport bug would have rules in a WD supplement, yeah.
And now, with information about the leaked Rulebook being a mashup of the design studio, the Tyranid transport could very well be the Cerebore and it still neither confirm nor deny the credence of the leaked rules.
I'd settle for a Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord plastic kit with wing options.
Or T-fex/Tervigon kit. Sadly I get the impression that there will be no T-fex option.
N.I.B. wrote:I'd settle for a Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord plastic kit with wing options.
Or T-fex/Tervigon kit. Sadly I get the impression that there will be no T-fex option.
I think it would be foolish to not include the T-Fex. If you look at the art in the codex, the Tervigon and T-Fex have the same body (triple stacks running along the back). I think that all the Tervigon conversions have led people to believe it is smaller than it actually is. I think it is supposed to be quite large - maybe even large-oval-base large.
puma713 wrote:I think it would be foolish to not include the T-Fex. If you look at the art in the codex, the Tervigon and T-Fex have the same body (triple stacks running along the back).
Stickmonkey mentioned seeing the models, and said that the Tervigon looks far different than the artwork in the book, and doesn't see how it'll work as a dual kit with a Tyrannofex.
puma713 wrote: I think that all the Tervigon conversions have led people to believe it is smaller than it actually is. I think it is supposed to be quite large - maybe even large-oval-base large.
It is. IIRC, in a Q&A, one of the studio team said that Tervigon conversions should be on a Trygon base. But since theres no official model, nothing stops you making a small, fat Carnifex and putting it on a 60mm base.
True but we have no idea where the design phase is for these models. Frankly looking at the artwork, GW would be insane to not do a multi-kit... and some of the Ogre Kingdom stuff shows things can be far different at final assembly and still have a unified box.
Frankly though, I'm starting to feel like our 2nd wave is like the space marine drop pod... for anyone who remembers how long that thing was promised in the works.
Drop pods were introduced with Chapter Approved back in 3rd ed if I'm not mistaken? I think they were in Codex: Space Wolves and that was from 2000. So yeah, at least 10 years.
Ten years? That had to suck. Really puts the two years Tyranid players have been waiting to shame. Well, at least a Drop Pod would have been fairly easy to scratch build. Maybe not one that opens and closes, but a decent looking one at any rate. All the flat panels and symmetry help with that.
I think any Tyranid creature would be significantly harder to scratch build by comparison, thanks in large part to all of the rounded areas and small details that cover them over 80% of their bodies.
That and while Drop Pods are useful, they aren't massively important to the function of the codex. The drop pod would be analogous to the Mycetic Spore - if that's the only model missing from the 2nd wave, I doubt Tyranid players will cry overly much.
Tervigons? Tyrannofex? Yeah, 1/3 of our viable anti-tank (no matter how expensive - seriously? More than a Land Raider?) not being modeled is dumb.
puma713 wrote:I think it would be foolish to not include the T-Fex. If you look at the art in the codex, the Tervigon and T-Fex have the same body (triple stacks running along the back).
Stickmonkey mentioned seeing the models, and said that the Tervigon looks far different than the artwork in the book, and doesn't see how it'll work as a dual kit with a Tyrannofex.
Which would fit with the rumor about it being a Tervigon/Cerebore kit, given that the Cerebore was a little more caterpillar-y in past artwork.
rigeld2 wrote:1/3 of our viable anti-tank (no matter how expensive - seriously? More than a Land Raider?)
I honestly think the Tyrannofex is pretty well priced. Too many people see it as a moving Rupture Cannon. But it's an absolute beast. S6, T6, W6 with a 2+ save and a monstrous creature. It takes serious, serious heavy weapons fire to take it down (and the usual application of 'more missiles!' doesn't work to well when they patter off its 2+ save). It's a linebreaker. It's there to run at the enemy, take fire, smash into their lines firing off its shorter ranged weapons and basically being a huge sponge while the rest of the army walks in with a lot less heavy fire directed at it.
I really think the rupture cannon was (like a lot of the codex) an afterthought. 'Hey, see that thing, that's working great as a short ranged combat monster? Give it a long ranged anti tank weapon'. It just doesn't synergise with the rest of the beast.
On topic - I'm basically at the point of 'just release something already'.
I don't care if it's a plastic Hive Tyrant, a Tervigon, or a finecast Parasite of Mortrex. I just want something new to drool over.
Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:I know what you mean Loki. At this point it would just be nice to have a new and different beastie to to build and bitz to kitbash with.
Let's just hope that we're wowed when they're released, making them well worth the wait.
I do not need new models to show my gaming group that Nids are competitive, and at this point I've already converted all the missing units anyway. So I am not too concerned.
At least Sly Marbo, Margaret Thatcher, and Iron Hands's Iron Hands were little jokes that required an ounce of cleverness.
Tyrannofex sounds like something a 6yr old or Robin Cruddance would dream up.
sly marbo = sylvester stalone / rambo. even the fluff seems to copy the rambo movies... i wonder where GW's crack team of lawyers are on this one?
edit: ive just been informed that i no longer have any knowlege of sly marbo (a 100% unique GW creation) resembling any previously existing movies and or movie characters.
edit: aparently ive also just been informed i have no opinion about GW legal teams or there existance, methods or motives.
BobTheChainsaw wrote:If the supposed "transport creature" is quite good for its points, do you tyranid players think it could help make the codex more competitive?
A transport is not going to fix other glaring issues in the codex. Of course, who knows what kind of rules that the new Transportofex might have. Watch them put it into the Elite slot.
puma713 wrote:A transport is not going to fix other glaring issues in the codex.
It wouldn't be designed to. It would be designed just to sell new models. That's how these things work.
That's the main reason I'm hoping it has good rules. If they want to sell some new models in the Tyranid line, to me at least, They really need to be accompanied by some decent rules. Unless they want another Pyrovore.
I don't expect anything to fix the issues in the codex, but a good set of rules, for some new Models Ala the VC White Dwarf update, would please me pretty well, and I'm sure I would make some purchases.
The Transport will cost above a hundred points, have something like 3 wounds with a 3-4+ armor save most likely. So no, they won't really help with anything considering how many armies get high str low ap weaponry these days. So maybe if you're first it'll protect you for half a turn... It'll probably have some stupid rules to boot making it even worse than say a rhino. I'm definitely hoping this isn't the case of course, don't get me wrong.
Also looks like there are some Caterpillar like creatures coming out of the ground like in the movie Tremors. Maybe that's a Cerebore.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the same "chassis" as a Carnifex or Tervigon, with rules to reflect that. It will be hard to balance how tough it can be vs. how cheap it can be though.
dmthomas7 wrote:Its still early february but Im slowly growing saddened by the lack of any purchasable models
I'm right there with you...
Well at least they were delayed for something good like. . . .
LotR. . .
Yeah.
. . . Honestly I'm unsure about the popularity of their LotR game but I don't imagine it is as popular as 40k. Its killing me and hurting them because I won't buy any of the models I may need if there is what seems like a decent chance that there will be more selection to buy from. i.e. the Hive Tyrant that hopefully will be coming out. Also would really like a reasonably hassle free tervigon that as said before would encourage me to also buy atleast 2 more boxes of Gaunts
The Transportofex will be 300 points and can carry half of your army. It will have Initiative 1 and when it falls into Jaws all models inside will follow it down. It will not have synapse, but Ld 5 and Lurk. BS 4, no ranged options. S9 with option for Toxin Sacs.
Robin Cruddace will do a short promo video were he's very animated and excited of how much this big thing will be able to carry.
N.I.B. wrote:The Transportofex will be 300 points and can carry half of your army. It will have Initiative 1 and when it falls into Jaws all models inside will follow it down. It will not have synapse, but Ld 5 and Lurk. BS 4, no ranged options. S9 with option for Toxin Sacs.
Robin Cruddace will do a short promo video were he's very animated and excited of how much this big thing will be able to carry.
LOL, that sounds about right, my regular opponent and his 'nids will be over the moon at this, now all I need is the Plastic Thunderhawk kit and I'll be happy
I hope that nids do not get a transport as I don't see that fitting into a tyranid army. This discussion occurred over at The Hive Mind a few days ago. I like the idea that in the battlefield of the size fought in 40k (a small portion of a much greater battle) that nids operate differently than most other armies. The problems with nids aren't lack of transports, but as so many others have said a poorly written dex (rushed rules, point costs, poor internal and external balance, etc).
If nids are having trouble getting to combat (and they are somewhat slow - not every unit obviously but as an army) it is other rules that need to be fixed. Make the hormagaunt have a 12" charge again. If nids are supposed to be a fast CC army than perhaps run for nids should not be a die roll and just an automatic 6" (or run might be 2d6 for some nids to show that they are faster than guardsmen).
Please GW, do not bring a nid transport into 40k. You already messed things up with the walking spawning pool (yes I hate the tervigon concept and execution) giving it Hive Tyrant swarm-leading psychic powers denied to the tyrant (nerfed). The unnecessary T-fex whose role should have been filled by the perfectly good carnifex (until you nerfed it). Don't take us further down this road.
With ya on this one Ventus, well written,
Army wide fleet, more reliable mycetic spore rules (can assault on entry), specific and well written fast movement units, temporary unit buffs whilst getting to combat. would all help better then some transport bug.
Im intrigued by the possibility of one however, if simply to see what they do with it.
Ventus wrote:I hope that nids do not get a transport as I don't see that fitting into a tyranid army. This discussion occurred over at The Hive Mind a few days ago. I like the idea that in the battlefield of the size fought in 40k (a small portion of a much greater battle) that nids operate differently than most other armies. The problems with nids aren't lack of transports, but as so many others have said a poorly written dex (rushed rules, point costs, poor internal and external balance, etc).
If nids are having trouble getting to combat (and they are somewhat slow - not every unit obviously but as an army) it is other rules that need to be fixed. Make the hormagaunt have a 12" charge again. If nids are supposed to be a fast CC army than perhaps run for nids should not be a die roll and just an automatic 6" (or run might be 2d6 for some nids to show that they are faster than guardsmen).
Please GW, do not bring a nid transport into 40k. You already messed things up with the walking spawning pool (yes I hate the tervigon concept and execution) giving it Hive Tyrant swarm-leading psychic powers denied to the tyrant (nerfed). The unnecessary T-fex whose role should have been filled by the perfectly good carnifex (until you nerfed it). Don't take us further down this road.
Except there is already precedent for Nid transports in the 40k universe, so "not fitting in" doesn't really apply.
You talk about balance, but the easiest way to (partially at least) achieve parity would be to give the Nids something which every other army has access to, circumventing the need for many smaller rule changes. Given the current gaming meta, Nids simply need a transport to be on an even footing, if they don't receive one, that may be a clue to the ultimate direction 6th edition will take.
You say boring and unoriginal, I say simplest and easiest to balance!
I'm not a Nid player, but I see a Transportofex as quite fluffy, and potentially very useful.
I have a regular Nid opponent, and me mowing down hordes of Gaunts with my splinter fire gets to him sometimes, something with armour or more likely a decent armour save, could give him a way to give me a lot more problems!
I haven't read all the fluff there is so if a transport-nid has been written in the fluff bringing units right into the battle I haven't seen it. That is not saying a transport bug might not be used in a planet invasion to move large amounts of bugs faster over great distances. But we are talking about the small area that 40k battles are fought - I just don't see a Transportofex as a good idea.
And GW has been horrible with some fluff. Fluff does not always have to (or can) translate into the game but attempts should at least try to do so.
For example, Hive guard fluff makes no sense - they shouldn't be on the front line and with the poor dex you see them everywhere since they are a great unit (but the battlefield role should have been filled by warriors with a decent venom cannon).
DE is a big problem for many nid lists. Rather than have a nid transport chasing a DE one, I would rather see the nids have a gun that shots some type of vehicle immobilizer (super glue/gloop-gun) that slows down vehicles or temporarily immobilizes them. This along with addressing the lack of speed of many nids that should be fast could help address this type of problem rather than give us nid-rhinos.
My point is that there are many ways nids can be helped to address the mech-meta rather than change the design of the army to act like SM.
There has never been an official 40k scale Nid transport, but going back to the days of Epic, they were firmly established, Malefactors, Harridans etc..
Plus the idea of smaller creatures being transported about in larger ones is definitely part of the background, from Hive ships down..
I won't argue with you that there are numerous more inventive, original or fitting ways to address the problem, but all those possibilities is that within the eco system of 40k they could throw something out of whack. Introduce a transport, you go some way to fixing those same issues, with less chance of causing an unintentional mis balance in the process.
Yadda yadda, playtesting yadda yadda should never happen, but even with through play testing things get through the net, and lets face it, GW don't have a reputation in that regard!
I could easily imagine that the "Transportofex"/Cerebore will simply be a "Horvigon". Same basic creature as a Tervigon, and with a similar stat line, but for Hormagaunts.
Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:I could easily imagine that the "Transportofex"/Cerebore will simply be a "Horvigon". Same basic creature as a Tervigon, and with a similar stat line, but for Hormagaunts.
In WD 362 there was an apoc formation of a Trygon, a lictor, and a hormagaunt brood. The Lictor was placed on the table at the start of turn 1, and the trygon got to deep strike within 6". On the following turn, hormagaunts came out of the trygon hole. From the rest of the game forward, the hole spawned hormagaunts in the same fashion as a tervigon.
The idea has been done before and it will spur sales of hormagaunts. I'd rather have a Horvigon than a Tervigon anyway, since hormagaunts are BOSS.
Screaming Echo wrote:The Transport will cost above a hundred points, have something like 3 wounds with a 3-4+ armor save most likely. So no, they won't really help with anything considering how many armies get high str low ap weaponry these days. So maybe if you're first it'll protect you for half a turn... It'll probably have some stupid rules to boot making it even worse than say a rhino. I'm definitely hoping this isn't the case of course, don't get me wrong.
Also looks like there are some Caterpillar like creatures coming out of the ground like in the movie Tremors. Maybe that's a Cerebore.
You could have a point there, those look slightly different than malefactors (which have scything talons and are more armadillo-looking than these caterpillars). What would astound me, then, is that the design team would have had this critter in mind since Apocalypse came out? I guess the time frame between design and release is a long one indeed but it's still crazy they'd hold out on us this long.
The Transportofex will be 300 points and can carry half of your army. It will have Initiative 1 and when it falls into Jaws all models inside will follow it down. It will not have synapse, but Ld 5 and Lurk. BS 4, no ranged options. S9 with option for Toxin Sacs.
Robin Cruddace will do a short promo video were he's very animated and excited of how much this big thing will be able to carry.
I've also heard that the new plastic kit is a very impressive size and it is apparently big enough that IT will carry your SABOL Division or Battle Foam bag.
azreal13 wrote:There has never been an official 40k scale Nid transport, but going back to the days of Epic, they were firmly established, Malefactors, Harridans etc..
Plus the idea of smaller creatures being transported about in larger ones is definitely part of the background, from Hive ships down..
I won't argue with you that there are numerous more inventive, original or fitting ways to address the problem, but all those possibilities is that within the eco system of 40k they could throw something out of whack. Introduce a transport, you go some way to fixing those same issues, with less chance of causing an unintentional mis balance in the process.
Yadda yadda, playtesting yadda yadda should never happen, but even with through play testing things get through the net, and lets face it, GW don't have a reputation in that regard!
yes, the good old Malefactor...as seen here for 40K
azreal13 wrote:There has never been an official40k scale Nid transport, but going back to the days of Epic, they were firmly established, Malefactors, Harridans etc..
Plus the idea of smaller creatures being transported about in larger ones is definitely part of the background, from Hive ships down..
I won't argue with you that there are numerous more inventive, original or fitting ways to address the problem, but all those possibilities is that within the eco system of 40k they could throw something out of whack. Introduce a transport, you go some way to fixing those same issues, with less chance of causing an unintentional mis balance in the process.
Yadda yadda, playtesting yadda yadda should never happen, but even with through play testing things get through the net, and lets face it, GW don't have a reputation in that regard!
Just requoted myself with the bold for emphasis, the malefactor was a 3rd party (albeit endorsed iirc) model and not an official GW model. Ditto, the Harridan, being FW, while more official, you'd still have trouble playing it in a tourney!
With that new Necron Ghost Ark and its exposed "hibernating" Necrons, it wouldn't be too surprising to see the Tyranids' Transportofex or maybe even the Tervigon along those lines. The Harridan already does the same thing when it comes to Gargoyles.
azreal13 wrote:There has never been an official40k scale Nid transport, but going back to the days of Epic, they were firmly established, Malefactors, Harridans etc..
Plus the idea of smaller creatures being transported about in larger ones is definitely part of the background, from Hive ships down..
I won't argue with you that there are numerous more inventive, original or fitting ways to address the problem, but all those possibilities is that within the eco system of 40k they could throw something out of whack. Introduce a transport, you go some way to fixing those same issues, with less chance of causing an unintentional mis balance in the process.
Yadda yadda, playtesting yadda yadda should never happen, but even with through play testing things get through the net, and lets face it, GW don't have a reputation in that regard!
Just requoted myself with the bold for emphasis, the malefactor was a 3rd party (albeit endorsed iirc) model and not an official GW model. Ditto, the Harridan, being FW, while more official, you'd still have trouble playing it in a tourney!
While it was a 3rd party model, it was simply a scaled up version of the Epic Malefactor.
There is precedent for a Tyranid transport. Note that Malefectors are mentioned in the Apocalypse book, so GW haven't written them out of the fluff.
Also remember the Trygon was an Epic unit. Which got rescaled for large games of 40k by Forgeworld. And then repurposed at the same size for 40k by the studio.
So there's also precedent for an old Epic unit making it into standard 40k.
To be fair though, the Epic Trygon didn't look anything like the Forge World Trygon.
The Epic Malefactor and Exocrine are quite deviant from the current Tyranid aesthetic and are somewhat unlikely.
They even changed the Epic/Armorcast Exocrine-idea in miscellaneous concept arts to fit the modern aesthetic more.
azreal13 wrote:There has never been an official40k scale Nid transport, but going back to the days of Epic, they were firmly established, Malefactors, Harridans etc..
Plus the idea of smaller creatures being transported about in larger ones is definitely part of the background, from Hive ships down..
I won't argue with you that there are numerous more inventive, original or fitting ways to address the problem, but all those possibilities is that within the eco system of 40k they could throw something out of whack. Introduce a transport, you go some way to fixing those same issues, with less chance of causing an unintentional mis balance in the process.
Yadda yadda, playtesting yadda yadda should never happen, but even with through play testing things get through the net, and lets face it, GW don't have a reputation in that regard!
Just requoted myself with the bold for emphasis, the malefactor was a 3rd party (albeit endorsed iirc) model and not an official GW model. Ditto, the Harridan, being FW, while more official, you'd still have trouble playing it in a tourney!
it was not third party, armorcast was GW's forge world back in the early to mid 90's
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azreal13 wrote:
azreal13 wrote:There has never been an official40k scale Nid transport, but going back to the days of Epic, they were firmly established, Malefactors, Harridans etc..
Plus the idea of smaller creatures being transported about in larger ones is definitely part of the background, from Hive ships down..
I won't argue with you that there are numerous more inventive, original or fitting ways to address the problem, but all those possibilities is that within the eco system of 40k they could throw something out of whack. Introduce a transport, you go some way to fixing those same issues, with less chance of causing an unintentional mis balance in the process.
Yadda yadda, playtesting yadda yadda should never happen, but even with through play testing things get through the net, and lets face it, GW don't have a reputation in that regard!
Just requoted myself with the bold for emphasis, the malefactor was a 3rd party (albeit endorsed iirc) model and not an official GW model. Ditto, the Harridan, being FW, while more official, you'd still have trouble playing it in a tourney!
While it was a 3rd party model, it was simply a scaled up version of the Epic Malefactor.
There is precedent for a Tyranid transport. Note that Malefectors are mentioned in the Apocalypse book, so GW haven't written them out of the fluff.
Also remember the Trygon was an Epic unit. Which got rescaled for large games of 40k by Forgeworld. And then repurposed at the same size for 40k by the studio.
So there's also precedent for an old Epic unit making it into standard 40k.
no it was not, the trygon was originally an epicast figure seen here which in my opinion looks MUCH cooler then both the FW and GW trygon:
Yeah, I'm trying to see what he's getting at. While the Epicast model exists, I don't see the relevance to my post.
The precedent comes from FW rescaling the Trygon, GW appropriating that model and making a plastic, making the Trygon make the transition from Epic to large scale 40k to regular 40k. Precedent for another old Epic beast to do the same, though skipping the Forgeworld step now that GW likes making large plastic kits.
The Epicast version is a (licensed) 3rd party upscale of the Epic model which was abandoned when they lost the license.
Absolutionis wrote:To be fair though, the Epic Trygon didn't look anything like the Forge World Trygon.
The Epic Malefactor and Exocrine are quite deviant from the current Tyranid aesthetic and are somewhat unlikely.
They even changed the Epic/Armorcast Exocrine-idea in miscellaneous concept arts to fit the modern aesthetic more.
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Now that is something I'd be proud to have in my army. Wether it be a Tyrannofex or Exocrine (no they're not the same thing).
I also like what this person did with this conversion of the Dactylis. Wish I had conversion skill like that.
Fat_Little_Ripper wrote:I've gotta say that I'm glad they moved away from the monster space slug style of Tyranids.
I thoroughly agree. Tyranids today look very nice. I don't think I would have played them when they were in their 2nd Edition forms. Just too weird and colorful, and the warriors were butt-ugly lol.
tetrisphreak wrote:Edit - is it just me or does every MC in the Tyranid Codex deserve the chance for the Armored Shell upgrade?
The Carnifex should be coming with it already at it's current points cost. Either that or T8 at least.
azreal13 wrote:There has never been an official 40k scale Nid transport, but going back to the days of Epic, they were firmly established, Malefactors, Harridans etc..
Plus the idea of smaller creatures being transported about in larger ones is definitely part of the background, from Hive ships down..
I won't argue with you that there are numerous more inventive, original or fitting ways to address the problem, but all those possibilities is that within the eco system of 40k they could throw something out of whack. Introduce a transport, you go some way to fixing those same issues, with less chance of causing an unintentional mis balance in the process.
I have a sneaking suspicion that 'Cerebore' will turn out to be a burrowing, deep-striking Tervigon variant that spawns various gribblies as it emerges. Here's hoping the rumoured 6th Edition reserves/deep-strike rules come to fruition or that would be as useless as Trygon tunnels are now.
tetrisphreak wrote:Edit - is it just me or does every MC in the Tyranid Codex deserve the chance for the Armored Shell upgrade?
The Carnifex should be coming with it already at it's current points cost. Either that or T8 at least.
azreal13 wrote:There has never been an official 40k scale Nid transport, but going back to the days of Epic, they were firmly established, Malefactors, Harridans etc..
Plus the idea of smaller creatures being transported about in larger ones is definitely part of the background, from Hive ships down..
I won't argue with you that there are numerous more inventive, original or fitting ways to address the problem, but all those possibilities is that within the eco system of 40k they could throw something out of whack. Introduce a transport, you go some way to fixing those same issues, with less chance of causing an unintentional mis balance in the process.
I have a sneaking suspicion that 'Cerebore' will turn out to be a burrowing, deep-striking Tervigon variant that spawns various gribblies as it emerges. Here's hoping the rumoured 6th Edition reserves/deep-strike rules come to fruition or that would be as useless as Trygon tunnels are now.
You know I'm hoping thats not the case. I don't want another creature birthing little gaunts. I want to get my Warriors where they're supposed to be without every Str8+ weapon insta-killing them to the point of uselessness, and they better be able to transport ICs...
I must be the only Tyranid player that absolutely hates Termagants and Hormagaunt (especially how they're sculpted and keep falling over all the damn time). I really want an option to take the more beefier units without being force fed the little guys. That's why I'm desperately hoping that 6th edition will make Warriors a very good option to take so I can make a Warrior based army, with Shrikes and Genestealers here and there. If only...
Genestealer shock lists are actually one of the more compeitive lists you can run. Nothing is forcing you to take Termagants or Hormagaunts.
Concerning the Cerebore (if it is what we are getting), I'm wondering how it will work if it's a burrowing transport. We already have a deep striking transport - the mycetic spore. And allowing it to re-deepstrike isn't very helpful when it might only show up twice a game if you're lucky.
-Loki- wrote:Genestealer shock lists are actually one of the more compeitive lists you can run. Nothing is forcing you to take Termagants or Hormagaunts.
Concerning the Cerebore (if it is what we are getting), I'm wondering how it will work if it's a burrowing transport. We already have a deep striking transport - the mycetic spore. And allowing it to re-deepstrike isn't very helpful when it might only show up twice a game if you're lucky.
The Tervigon is forcing me to get Termagants. You could argue that I could just not spawn them but that's gimping the unit very much. If only they weren't so important...
Just to make it clear: Epicast, Armorcast and Forge World USA were all third party, who had an official GW licence to upscale Epic models to 40k scale (and some other models) with official 40k rules included. So they are third party official 40k models. Full story here:
http://www.epicast.com/index.php?mode=page&page=lostandbanned
And obviously, Tervigon and Tyrannofex are an homage to the old Malefactor and Exocrine, as there are many retro elements in the Codex (spine rifle, strangleweb, Mycetic Spore, Warriors with boneswords, Mawloc homage to Red terror)
Why they couldn't give the Tyrannofex, Venonthrope and Pyrovore more vaguely scientific sounding names is beyond me. If the Tyrannofex had been called the Exocrine, it would have been better.
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:no it was not, the trygon was originally an epicast figure seen here which in my opinion looks MUCH cooler then both the FW and GW trygon:
(Chunky space slug)
I think you may be the only person on the planet that likes that awful space slug piece. The GW trygon is one of the nicest models in the entire range.
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:no it was not, the trygon was originally an epicast figure seen here which in my opinion looks MUCH cooler then both the FW and GW trygon:
(Chunky space slug)
Sorry, but that thing looks really bad...
serious actually, but back on topic i wonder if Ymgal stealers will get something? in all honesty i hate having to run regular stealers as Ymgal ones
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
serious actually, but back on topic i wonder if Ymgal stealers will get something? in all honesty i hate having to run regular stealers as Ymgal ones
? Each Stealer box comes with 2 (or more?) tentacle heads and armour plates. With 2-3 boxes of Stealers, you can make a unit of Ymgarls.
In regard to them getting a new model, word on the street is that there will be 1 Finecast Ymgarl.
Absolutionis wrote:With that new Necron Ghost Ark and its exposed "hibernating" Necrons, it wouldn't be too surprising to see the Tyranids' Transportofex or maybe even the Tervigon along those lines. The Harridan already does the same thing when it comes to Gargoyles.
You know that is exactly what the Tervigon is right?
so to prefice my post
1. i am brand new to warhammer
2. i am not unintellegent
3. i am very anxious to build an army
A long time ago a friend tried to get me into playing warhammer and i was semi interested as i am a huge dork and wish i had the patience to play such games or even roll some dice. at the time i was too young and didnt want to have to read a book. Now its 5 years later and my friend is rebuilding his tables and a new orc army. so he came to me agian and asked me if i'd be interested in playing with him. I said sure and began to look at army's soley on looks and went to GW store near me and looked at what they had to offer. As i am a huge fan of the Alien's movies and like the idea behind a hive mind i decided that the nids were a good fit. i began looking into the armies and looking at the hobby in general and began to get really interested. then i found this thread and others about a new wave of models comin out for the nid army....... this made me angry. there is no way i was going to get a new army for a game i would have to take the time to learn from the ground up and then turn around and find out they updated and replaced models and made newer better models to the ones i just shelled out a fair amount of money for (since i am new thats paint, suplies, etc..)
So my question is
Which models currently out are safe to buy and probably will not have a deminished role in any newer upgrades to the army or its codex?
and If the answer is up in the air and may not be certain is it worth holding out for a while to see before starting to amass my horde of nids or should i pick a dif. army to start with do prevent me losing interest in the game all together?
Rakarth2081 wrote:so to prefice my post
1. i am brand new to warhammer
2. i am not unintellegent
3. i am very anxious to build an army
A long time ago a friend tried to get me into playing warhammer and i was semi interested as i am a huge dork and wish i had the patience to play such games or even roll some dice. at the time i was too young and didnt want to have to read a book. Now its 5 years later and my friend is rebuilding his tables and a new orc army. so he came to me agian and asked me if i'd be interested in playing with him. I said sure and began to look at army's soley on looks and went to GW store near me and looked at what they had to offer. As i am a huge fan of the Alien's movies and like the idea behind a hive mind i decided that the nids were a good fit. i began looking into the armies and looking at the hobby in general and began to get really interested. then i found this thread and others about a new wave of models comin out for the nid army....... this made me angry. there is no way i was going to get a new army for a game i would have to take the time to learn from the ground up and then turn around and find out they updated and replaced models and made newer better models to the ones i just shelled out a fair amount of money for (since i am new thats paint, suplies, etc..)
So my question is
Which models currently out are safe to buy and probably will not have a deminished role in any newer upgrades to the army or its codex?
and If the answer is up in the air and may not be certain is it worth holding out for a while to see before starting to amass my horde of nids or should i pick a dif. army to start with do prevent me losing interest in the game all together?
Kroothawk wrote:Just to make it clear: Epicast, Armorcast and Forge World USA were all third party, who had an official GW licence to upscale Epic models to 40k scale (and some other models) with official 40k rules included. So they are third party official 40k models. Full story here:
http://www.epicast.com/index.php?mode=page&page=lostandbanned
Just to clear up a little of the bad info posted in this thread..
Mike Biasi Studios, Forge World USA and Armorcast all made 40K models under GW license from 1993-1998. All of these models produced by the three companies are marked "Copyright Games Workshop" followed by the copyright date of the original Epic sculpt.
Mike Biasi was sculpting the Trygon (shown in one of the posts above) for Armorcast, but it never progressed beyond that sculpt.
Forge World (USA)
Tyranid Dactylis
Epicast made no Tryanid models.
OK, now that we have that cleared up... As Kroot said the Tervigon and Tyrannofex are re-imaginings of the Malefactor and Exocrine and the Biovore is a scaled down, one shot, Dactylis. In Epic, the Exocrine, Haruspex, Malefactor and Dactylis were standard sized vehicles, while the Trygon was a superheavy. These models still exist in the universe as shown by the WD Tryanid DIY build rules, their mention in the Apoc rulebook and their appearance in the card game.
Now that GW has made the re-imagined versions of the Armorcast and Forge World USA models considerably smaller than the resin models, the larger resin models can easily be re-imagined as superheavies for Apocalypse with stats similar to the Heirodule (although the resin kits are about twice the weight of the FW Heirodule).
There is even space for a very beefed up Trygon with Heirodule-like stats, taking the place of the Epic superheavy Trygon. The WD DIY article even gave the Trygon a couple of Structure points, although that particular game mechanic is no longer part of the Tyranid design philosophy. A very beefed up Trygon is a model that I would like to build/convert for my Tyranid army...
timd wrote:There is even space for a very beefed up Trygon with Heirodule-like stats, taking the place of the Epic superheavy Trygon. The WD DIY article even gave the Trygon a couple of Structure points, although that particular game mechanic is no longer part of the Tyranid design philosophy. A very beefed up Trygon is a model that I would like to build/convert for my Tyranid army...
I wouldn't mind a beefed up Trygon at all. It'll be like the one that gave the Tau (I think) a run for their money.
timd wrote:There is even space for a very beefed up Trygon with Heirodule-like stats, taking the place of the Epic superheavy Trygon. The WD DIY article even gave the Trygon a couple of Structure points, although that particular game mechanic is no longer part of the Tyranid design philosophy. A very beefed up Trygon is a model that I would like to build/convert for my Tyranid army...
I wouldn't mind a beefed up Trygon at all. It'll be like the one that gave the Tau (I think) a run for their money.
I think you're thinking of the one that destroyed a titan legion. They do exist in the fluff, they were introduced in the 40kCCG. They're called Viragons.
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Screaming Echo wrote:]Models that are safe to buy are:
You missed Gargoyles (new 5th edition plastic kit) and Biovores (they're a new 5th edition model, the only thing that will change is going to finecast)
Anonymous source wrote:There ware also a few Nids ready to go, the Tervigon/Tyranofex dual kit and a flyer that I wasn't familiar with, looked about lictor sized but more resembled a winged zoanthrope.
Confirms the usual suspects - but the other beasty sounds like the Parasite of Mortex to me, not the Harpy.
-Loki- wrote:You missed Gargoyles (new 5th edition plastic kit) and Biovores (they're a new 5th edition model, the only thing that will change is going to finecast)
The current Biovores are metal figures from 4th edition. As it's the only non-character tyranid model that didn't transition from metal to finecast, I wouldn't be surprised to see a new version somewhere in the future.
That's actually interesting, considering there were 4 rumoured finecast releases. Going by previous rumours, there's the Parasite, Doom and a finecast Ymgarl ready, but the 4th finecast was out of nowhere. Maybe it's a Biovore.
Harry wrote:This guy has only said what he has seen .... He might not have heard everything there is.
I defo heard harpy/harpies?
However it is possible what he has seen was a harpy but didn't look like it. Or it is possible the guy I heard from had seen this and thought it was a harpy? (Either guy might not know anymore about harpies than I do. )
Also heard about a Hive tyrant this birdy didn't mention that either.
-Loki- wrote:I forgot the Biovore was 4th edition.
That's actually interesting, considering there were 4 rumoured finecast releases. Going by previous rumours, there's the Parasite, Doom and a finecast Ymgarl ready, but the 4th finecast was out of nowhere. Maybe it's a Biovore.
Could maybe be a Tyranid Prime, but that's very unlikely. Though I'd like to see how it'd look having it's own model. Or it could be Old One Eye! ... yeah right.
I really hope they release the Parasite. I mean, what's not to love about a flying beastie that injects Ripper Swarms directly into it's victims. Not only that, but it's a Synapse Creature that double normal Synapse range(24") for Ripper Swarms. I hope that someone at GW thought he was unique enough to deserve his own sculpt.
-Loki- wrote:I forgot the Biovore was 4th edition.
That's actually interesting, considering there were 4 rumoured finecast releases. Going by previous rumours, there's the Parasite, Doom and a finecast Ymgarl ready, but the 4th finecast was out of nowhere. Maybe it's a Biovore.
Could maybe be a Tyranid Prime, but that's very unlikely. Though I'd like to see how it'd look having it's own model. Or it could be Old One Eye! ... yeah right.
I don't see why they'd ever make a Tyranid Prime when under the Tyranid Warriors box it lists the Tyranid Prime as one of the models you can make with the box.
Primes are easy to get, either the warriors box as mentioned before, or I have used a 2nd ed Hive tyrant as one and a Venomthrope body on Lictor legs as my second. 2 seconds work to get the right weapons on and I'm golden!
It shouldn't matter how easy of a conversion it is to make a Prime. You shouldn't need to buy a box of warriors for a single model. GW should in all honesty make a Prime kit. Doom of Malan'tai will most likely get a model and look how easy it is to make one of those, and everyone will only buy one of those unlike a prime model which will most likely sell 2 per Tyranid player.
At this point I just want to wee what GW puts out considering the Hive Tyrant is STILL not available on the American site and not haveing the only HQ model that has ever really been available from GW not be available cannot be good buisness practice. In saying that and looking at the recent trends in both fantasy and 40k Tyranids are really the only army that has such an empty HQ, if we do get a "2'nd wave" release I think that it is going to be all HQ and no new units just sculpts of HQ units and maybe that duel kit for the tervigon/tyrannofex. So this is all speculation but I could honestly see the Parasite, Tervigon/tyrannofex, Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord, and maybe a Tyranid Prime. I very much doubt we wioll see a big nasty transport before our new codex or before the new edition and even then we will be lucky to see it with a white dwarf supplement. this is all just in my opinion.
Just as the Eldar inexplicably got a new plastic Fire Prism and a bonus Night Spinner +WD rules, the rumor here is a Tervigon and a bonus Tyranid Transportofex + WD rules.
strickmonkey wrote:The tervigon model is exactly how I pictured it in my mind.
The tyrannofex....not so much. I predict some grade school humor with the "pose"
The tyrant "looks" bigger and badder. I like it a lot...and some cool conversion options too.
Doom and parasite are cool models, but have some deviation from the codex. I get why, but not sure I'm happy.
And in my opinion the harpy missed some opportunity to shine. Could have been a showcase model, but somehow feels off to me.
Now the other stuff, well, a hit and a miss if you ask me. What are they? I'm not saying anything. I know nothing.
Here's the problem, as far as I have been able to hear, only 3 kits will be coming out soon-ish. The others are anyone's guess. So of the 8 models I have seen, it sucks to know as a Nid player the wait is NOT soon over.
These are my opinions, and like noses, we all have them.
I just want friggin options to buy actual models, i spend more time modeling my nids than playing or painting them. Took me forever to finish my winged tyrant. (if i had a pic you'd see). my biggest hope is for official M-SPORES! !
Absolutionis wrote:Just as the Eldar inexplicably got a new plastic Fire Prism and a bonus Night Spinner +WD rules, the rumor here is a Tervigon and a bonus Tyranid Transportofex + WD rules.
The Fire Prism wasn't all that inexplicable. GW would have wanted rid of the metal components in that kit during the move to resin, and took the opportunity to cut a new plastic turret. I expect the Night Spinner option was added because:
a) There was extra room on the new sprue,
b) A new unit encourages more sales.
I also expect that the Tervigon is getting an alternative kit option because so many people already converted their own over the last 2 years.
xttz wrote:
I also expect that the Tervigon is getting an alternative kit option because so many people already converted their own over the last 2 years.
That's a good point.
"How do we sell a model that most people have already converted? Give it another build that is a desperately-needed transport and come out with WD rules that make it desirable!"
Screaming Echo wrote:I'm gonna love paying 60-70 bucks for a transport when others just pay 30-40. This is why I play Nids my friends, to waste my money...
Screaming Echo wrote:I'm gonna love paying 60-70 bucks for a transport when others just pay 30-40. This is why I play Nids my friends, to waste my money...
Why do you think it's going to be 60-70?
We're in the US. It'll be $60 for us, $80 for Canadians like Screaming Echo, and $666 for Australians.
Screaming Echo wrote:I'm gonna love paying 60-70 bucks for a transport when others just pay 30-40. This is why I play Nids my friends, to waste my money...
Why do you think it's going to be 60-70?
We're in the US. It'll be $60 for us, $80 for Canadians like Screaming Echo, and $666 for Australians.
Or your firstborn. I hear they're trying to institute some sort of infant trade-in so they don't have to hire employees/managers anymore (once the infants come of age, of course). It is a part of their long-term fiscal plan.
strickmonkey wrote:The tervigon model is exactly how I pictured it in my mind.
The tyrannofex....not so much. I predict some grade school humor with the "pose"
The tyrant "looks" bigger and badder. I like it a lot...and some cool conversion options too.
Doom and parasite are cool models, but have some deviation from the codex. I get why, but not sure I'm happy.
And in my opinion the harpy missed some opportunity to shine. Could have been a showcase model, but somehow feels off to me.
Now the other stuff, well, a hit and a miss if you ask me. What are they? I'm not saying anything. I know nothing.
Here's the problem, as far as I have been able to hear, only 3 kits will be coming out soon-ish. The others are anyone's guess. So of the 8 models I have seen, it sucks to know as a Nid player the wait is NOT soon over.
These are my opinions, and like noses, we all have them.
The three kits would make sense if you correlate to the Harry comments. Would GW release more than 8 new units in a month? Because Harry said SW, Nids and Necrons were next, so say three Nid kits - Tyrant (because you know it will sell and because of the supply issues for the metal one in NA), Tervigon/Transport dual kit, and a Finecast cast release (say Parasite). Throw in four Necron kits, and SWTWC, and GW has a lot of models they could sell in March.
Screaming Echo wrote:I'm gonna love paying 60-70 bucks for a transport when others just pay 30-40. This is why I play Nids my friends, to waste my money...
Why do you think it's going to be 60-70?
We're in the US. It'll be $60 for us, $80 for Canadians like Screaming Echo, and $666 for Australians.
The Trygon is 60$, so unless the Transport is a pretty large dual-kit on the scale of the Trygon I could see it being a bit cheaper that. Perhaps around 40-50. Ghost Arks are pretty large, and I could see a crawling transport around their size for 50.
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