And to think people paid over $30 for this...

 Kanluwen wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Thachng wrote:
Said it was very old made of chronhagic materials. It did have a story of commander bravestorm falcon punching a bio Titan with his onager gauntlet punching its throat out

Sounds like a necron thing to me.

Chronophagic = "Time Eating"

Necrons are the masters of time manipulation.

Or old ones. They were in a race of arms with them.

Or the Hrud!

They distort the passage of time when they migrate.

The weapon doesn't look hrud in design though, does it? I thought hrud tech looked crude.

Anyway, a weapon that steals time away from a victim sounds more like a necrontyr thing. They were a raced obsessed with immortality after all, and I don't think the Old Ones, who are described as being highly long lived, would bother making such a weapon. They'd rather just send them to the warp.

UltraPrime wrote:

 Marthike wrote:

 gmaleron wrote:
I will use it over the Tau codex for this reason alone:

Farsight Enclave

-Take IC Riptide
-x2 Riptides
-x1 Riptide with Earth Caste Pilot (or all not to sure on that)

Add Tau Allies

-Shadowsun
-x1 Riptide

I now have an army with 5 Riptides

I tried that but in 1750 points you might not be able to do that, unless you do barebone riptides with nothing, at 2000 i think this can be done.

As you can't use allies at less than 2000 pts, this is not an issue.

I think the real issue is that it states Shadowsun can not be used in a farsight enclave.

Also I can not find ANYWHERE that it states you have to take Farsight for this list nor nothing that states you cant use one of the "7" as your commander. To me this can fit into the fluff that his sub commanders are off running missions for him. I tried to read through this thread but my head started to hurt and nose started to bleed with some of the comments

I will go back and read/reread/and reread to see if I can see it from the other viewpoints.

For the Force Org Chart, it works like this:


I'm also not sure how you're supposedly able to ally the Farsight Supplement (which isn't a different army, it's still Codex: Tau Empire), to Codex: Tau Empire...
Everything I've seen says the Supplements are the base codex plus extra rules - no different to adding units listed in the Imperial Armour books, such as Tetras.

The Farsight Enclave book specifically states Tau Empire detatchments may ally together as battle brothers.

No matter how i read it, you need farsight for that unit.

If you choose to take this unit, commander farsight does not allow you to ......

No where it says you can take this unit without mentioning farsight.

 Ovion wrote:

I'm also not sure how you're supposedly able to ally the Farsight Supplement (which isn't a different army, it's still Codex: Tau Empire), to Codex: Tau Empire...
Everything I've seen says the Supplements are the base codex plus extra rules - no different to adding units listed in the Imperial Armour books, such as Tetras.

This?
Its one of the few things in the supplement that ARE clear, its witten in "allies" that farsight are treated as tau for the purpose of allies, with the exception they treat C:TE as battle brothers.
Just like how forgeworld army lists does it.

It says so on the codex, it says you can use tau as battle brothers with farsight enclave.

 Marthike wrote:
No matter how i read it, you need farsight for that unit.

If you choose to take this unit, commander farsight does not allow you to ......

No where it says you can take this unit without mentioning farsight.

This is the full quote "If you choose to take this unit, Commander Farsight does not allow you to take an XV8 Crisis Bodyguard Team as normal; he has the Commander Team instead."

No where does it mention Farsight is required. What this sentence says, if you take the Command Team you are restricted from taking the XV8 Crisis Bodyguard Team.

There is no special Farsight Bodyguard Team in the Tau Codex. Farsight has a special rule that expands the XV8 Crisis Bodyguard Team to 7 models. The rule above is to prevent you from adding the Command Team to another 7 man XV8 Crisis Bodyguard Team to create a 15 model blob.

Farsight is part of the command team, so how can he be required first without adding the command team before him.

farsight is the only that occupies a FOC so that's why you have to buy him first... i think

 ashikenshin wrote:
farsight is the only that occupies a FOC so that's why you have to buy him first... i think

Good point. You are still allowed to purchase a body guard team without Farsight in the regular codex.

Can we just move this thread to YMDC now? :-)

BoomWolf wrote:

 Ovion wrote:

I'm also not sure how you're supposedly able to ally the Farsight Supplement (which isn't a different army, it's still Codex: Tau Empire), to Codex: Tau Empire...
Everything I've seen says the Supplements are the base codex plus extra rules - no different to adding units listed in the Imperial Armour books, such as Tetras.

This?
Its one of the few things in the supplement that ARE clear, its witten in "allies" that farsight are treated as tau for the purpose of allies, with the exception they treat C:TE as battle brothers.
Just like how forgeworld army lists does it.

Fair enough - hadn't seen that, that clears that up.
Do we know if it's the same thing for Iyanden?

I always figured that the Dawn Blade was suggested to be Anaris.

 agnosto wrote:
Can we just move this thread to YMDC now? :-)

Agree.

 agnosto wrote:
Can we just move this thread to YMDC now? :-)

Honesty (like most incredibly poorly worded rules) there's little to no point in arguing over them anyway. GW's going to fix them one way or another in the FAQ when it comes out, and they don't care one whit about how the original construction of the rules were. Flip a coin and play with whatever locally until it's fixed (or just have a TO arbitrarily call it one way ahead of time), just be read to have things go the opposite way when the official word comes out.

hands_miranda wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
Can we just move this thread to YMDC now? :-)

Honesty (like most incredibly poorly worded rules) there's little to no point in arguing over them anyway. GW's going to fix them one way or another in the FAQ when it comes out, and they don't care one whit about how the original construction of the rules were. Flip a coin and play with whatever locally until it's fixed (or just have a TO arbitrarily call it one way ahead of time), just be read to have things go the opposite way when the official word comes out.

QFT. First reasonable post in 10 pages of squabbling. Have an exalt sir.

 davou wrote:

valace2 wrote:

that quote is referring to multiple primary detachments in a 2000+ pt double FOC game. Not defining a primary and allied detachment.

Fine, hows about this ;

"Every player is represented on the battlefield by their army's Warlord."

page xvii
Given that you can't take a warlord for both detachments in your army, this is indication that the army is a single umbrella that covers all detachments.

"In the Choosing Your Army section (page 108), you'll see that you can add some buildings to your army"

note above, that the fortifications are on the force org chart seperately from allies and primary detachments. They do not fall under either of the detachments, but exist as a component of the army, once again, Army is the umbrella term for both detachments.

"PRIMARY DETACHMENTS
This section of the Force Organisation chart is reproduced in many codexes and is integral to building an army. It dictates the units you can take in the main body of your army. All of the units in your primary detachment must be chosen from the same codex. Furthermore, your Warlord must be chosen from your primary detachment (seepage 111)."

Page 109

Again we see the term 'army' being talked about as the sum of its detachment (and fortification) components.

"If you wish,your army can include one allied detachment for each primary detachment in your army (normally one,"

-Page 109

"From a gaming point of view, taking allies in your army opens up entirely new tactical possibilities,
making your already formidable force even more so. "

page 112

Here we have the most literal wording so far, Your army may include allies, Allies ARE a part of your army.



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pantsonhead wrote:
Seems to me that RAW for Markerlights is that they work cross-detachment, except for Farsight's Commander Team, which is not a unit from Codex: Tau Empire and can't benefit from any Markerlights at all. Although they're all ICs and if they join any other unit they count as part of the unit and can benefit from Markerlights if the unit can.

This is painful lol

So let me ask you this, since the wording says a Farsight Enclaves army can not include Shadowsun or Aun Va what if Shadowsun is the primary HQ and you ally in Enclave allies?

Hmmmm....

If you have a primary imp guard force with Yarrick as the HQ and then ally in Ghaz as the HQ for an allied Ork detachment who's army is it Yarrick's or Ghaz's?

How strange - the Iyanden book specifically states that it is Codex Eldar, I wonder why the Farsight Enclaves can ally in to regular Tau, while Iyanden cannot ally in to Eldar...

valace2 wrote:

 davou wrote:

valace2 wrote:

that quote is referring to multiple primary detachments in a 2000+ pt double FOC game. Not defining a primary and allied detachment.

Fine, hows about this ;

"Every player is represented on the battlefield by their army's Warlord."

page xvii
Given that you can't take a warlord for both detachments in your army, this is indication that the army is a single umbrella that covers all detachments.

"In the Choosing Your Army section (page 108), you'll see that you can add some buildings to your army"

note above, that the fortifications are on the force org chart seperately from allies and primary detachments. They do not fall under either of the detachments, but exist as a component of the army, once again, Army is the umbrella term for both detachments.

"PRIMARY DETACHMENTS
This section of the Force Organisation chart is reproduced in many codexes and is integral to building an army. It dictates the units you can take in the main body of your army. All of the units in your primary detachment must be chosen from the same codex. Furthermore, your Warlord must be chosen from your primary detachment (seepage 111)."

Page 109

Again we see the term 'army' being talked about as the sum of its detachment (and fortification) components.

"If you wish,your army can include one allied detachment for each primary detachment in your army (normally one,"

-Page 109

"From a gaming point of view, taking allies in your army opens up entirely new tactical possibilities,
making your already formidable force even more so. "

page 112

Here we have the most literal wording so far, Your army may include allies, Allies ARE a part of your army.



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pantsonhead wrote:
Seems to me that RAW for Markerlights is that they work cross-detachment, except for Farsight's Commander Team, which is not a unit from Codex: Tau Empire and can't benefit from any Markerlights at all. Although they're all ICs and if they join any other unit they count as part of the unit and can benefit from Markerlights if the unit can.

This is painful lol

So let me ask you this, since the wording says a Farsight Enclaves army can not include Shadowsun or Aun Va what if Shadowsun is the primary HQ and you ally in Enclave allies?

Hmmmm....

If you have a primary imp guard force with Yarrick as the HQ and then ally in Ghaz as the HQ for an allied Ork detachment who's army is it Yarrick's or Ghaz's?

Id argue no shadowsun or aunva ever.

Do ghazzy or yarrick have any rules about each other, or just fluff?

 Ovion wrote:
How strange - the Iyanden book specifically states that it is Codex Eldar, I wonder why the Farsight Enclaves can ally in to regular Tau, while Iyanden cannot ally in to Eldar...

Because Tau.

I've long since decided that GW is heavily pushing Tau this edition, trying to move them up from a niche army that wasn't especially popular in the grand scheme of things, to a more popular force that they can sell more of. It's a theory that fits in with the fact that Tau will ally fairly broadly and have choices that can be customized to be an excellent response to any tactical problem.

Or, as a friend of mine puts it, "There's a Tau for that."

So even if you don't purchase any of the new signature systems, you still cannot use the Tau Empire sigs? I remember it saying you MAY use the Farsight Enclave systems, it being a choice of either or. Am I wrong? =( That would really throw a snag in my decision to run the enclaves and get crisis as troops =(

It says that if you take any Sig systems, they must come from farsight enclaves list, rather than the core codex. Your free to take none.

The argument starting is weather the term 'army' in fact means 'detachment'

 agnosto wrote:
QFT. First reasonable post in 10 pages of squabbling. Have an exalt sir.

Thanks. Between arguing over points that are pretty obviously going to be FAQ'd and the piles of RTFM style comments, YMTC becomes a lot less useful to newer players (like me-- got back into 40K with 6th edition) because people are either arguing in the most pedantic way or just don't give a straight answer.

Just reading the rules for Fusion Blades as a Sig system and noticed it says, "Commander with a twin-linked fusion blaster only." RAW does that mean I can't add them to a Crisis Suit Shas'vre as one of his 3 hard points because he is not a "Commander?"

Noc

Nocturus wrote:
Just reading the rules for Fusion Blades as a Sig system and noticed it says, "Commander with a twin-linked fusion blaster only." RAW does that mean I can't add them to a Crisis Suit Shas'vre as one of his 3 hard points because he is not a "Commander?"

Noc

Well since you cant take a crisis bodyguard team, a commander and a riptide are the only ones who could equip signature systems, and this seems to be written so that the riptide cant take it.

 Micky wrote:

Nocturus wrote:
Just reading the rules for Fusion Blades as a Sig system and noticed it says, "Commander with a twin-linked fusion blaster only." RAW does that mean I can't add them to a Crisis Suit Shas'vre as one of his 3 hard points because he is not a "Commander?"

Noc

Well since you cant take a crisis bodyguard team, a commander and a riptide are the only ones who could equip signature systems, and this seems to be written so that the riptide cant take it.

"XV8 Crisis Sha'vres can be equipped with three items from the Ranged Weapons, Signature Systems, and/or Support systems lists" according to the Tau Codex.

"Any character in your army that may select Signature Systems may not select from those listed in Codex: Tau Empire, but may instead select from the Signature Systems of the Farsight Enclaves, at the points cost shown" according to the Farsight Enclave expansion.

So my question is: The rules for Fusion Blades as a Sig system says, "Commander with a twin-linked fusion blaster only." RAW does that mean I can't add them to a Crisis Suit Shas'vre as one of his 3 hard points because he is not a "Commander?"

None of the other Signature systems have that kind of wording and even the Earth Caste Pilot Array can be given to any battle suit meaning it doesn't have to be given to a Riptide.

Noc

I would interpret that as commander only and not for shasvre upgraded crisis teams.

davou wrote: Id argue no shadowsun or aunva ever.

Do ghazzy or yarrick have any rules about each other, or just fluff?

No just used them to show the difference between what constitutes an army. If the Imp Guard is the primary detachment and the Orks are the secondary allied detachment you would have to say its an Imp Guard Army.

If standard Tau are my primary and the Enclave forces are my secondary allied detachment you would have to say it is a standard Tau force and not an Enclave army.

The wording in the supplement is thus...

A Farsight Enclaves army cannot not include Aun'Va or Commander Shadowsun.

valace2 wrote:

davou wrote: Id argue no shadowsun or aunva ever.

Do ghazzy or yarrick have any rules about each other, or just fluff?

No just used them to show the difference between what constitutes an army. If the Imp Guard is the primary detachment and the Orks are the secondary allied detachment you would have to say its an Imp Guard Army.

If standard Tau are my primary and the Enclave forces are my secondary allied detachment you would have to say it is a standard Tau force and not an Enclave army.

The wording in the supplement is thus...

A Farsight Enclaves army cannot not include Aun'Va or Commander Shadowsun.

Why have the restriction at all if you can go ahead and bypass it immediately and with no drawbacks whatsoever?


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"If you wish,your army can include one allied detachment for each primary detachment in your army (normally one,"
-Page 109

Please also explain this; how can an army include detachments if those detatchments are armies?

I doubt this is the intended rule, but it's clearly not "no drawbacks whatsoever" - you can't take other allies. You also can't take advantage of any of the Farsight Enclaves special rules at all. So you're really just getting a Codex: Tau Empire army with an extra mandatory HQ requirement and more slots in exchange for not being able to take any other allies. Near as I can tell, RAW is that Tau allied with Farsight is exactly the same as Tau allied with Tau.

Given this trend I wonder if Tyranids will ever get an extra Tyranid book to ally with.

pantsonhead wrote:
I doubt this is the intended rule, but it's clearly not "no drawbacks whatsoever" - you can't take other allies. You also can't take advantage of any of the Farsight Enclaves special rules at all. So you're really just getting a Codex: Tau Empire army with an extra mandatory HQ requirement and more slots in exchange for not being able to take any other allies. Near as I can tell, RAW is that Tau allied with Farsight is exactly the same as Tau allied with Tau.

Na man, you'd get crisis troops, Second best psychick defence in the game, protection from riptide Burnout, IC riptide, and a chance at having two multuspec suites in a single list.


It has to have been worded this way to prevent all those benefits from being taken without some kind of opportunity cost.


Sides, tau are almost the only army who suffer diminishing returns when taking allies, since those allies don't get to make use of markerlights. This also mitigates that weakness.


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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/541550.page#5872813

Went ahead and made a YMTC thread rather than keep derailing in here, it includes the farsight question, the markerlights question and the army dispute. If anyone finds one I've forgot please toss it in and I'll edit the top post.

Updated Epub/Mobi for download. It takes out the double negative for Aun'va/Shadowsun and fixes the copy paste for Bravestorm.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Updated Epub/Mobi for download. It takes out the double negative for Aun'va/Shadowsun and fixes the copy paste for Bravestorm.

Did they edit the wording for the command squad at all?

No, I sent a reply email to the guy who replied to my complaint in digital about that and the word army instead of detachment used throughout the Army of the Farsight Enclave page. Since he's the one that told me they had updated the formating and fixed the appendix I figured there is a chance that simple typos could be fixed. I wouldn't expect the Farsight entry to be fixed any time soon but I had to try

 davou wrote:

valace2 wrote:

davou wrote: Id argue no shadowsun or aunva ever.

Do ghazzy or yarrick have any rules about each other, or just fluff?

No just used them to show the difference between what constitutes an army. If the Imp Guard is the primary detachment and the Orks are the secondary allied detachment you would have to say its an Imp Guard Army.

If standard Tau are my primary and the Enclave forces are my secondary allied detachment you would have to say it is a standard Tau force and not an Enclave army.

The wording in the supplement is thus...

A Farsight Enclaves army cannot not include Aun'Va or Commander Shadowsun.

Why have the restriction at all if you can go ahead and bypass it immediately and with no drawbacks whatsoever?


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"If you wish,your army can include one allied detachment for each primary detachment in your army (normally one,"
-Page 109

Please also explain this; how can an army include detachments if those detatchments are armies?

No drawbacks at all? Ask someone who has to pay for a primaris psyker or company command squad if there are no drawbacks to getting Vendettas in their force.

From a fluff standpoint can you honestly say farsight and shadowsun would be less likely to fight a common foe that Ghaz or Yarrick?

From a rules standpoint it doesn't say in Codex: Tau Empire that you can't have Farsight and Shadowsun in the same force. Only in the enclave army section does it place a limit on Shadowsun being included in an Enclave army.

If it is automatically considered an Enclave army will those units who have preferred enemy Orks get bonuses against any Orks and their allies because obviously if Orks are included they all would have to be Orks, because it is an Ork army.



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pantsonhead wrote:
I doubt this is the intended rule, but it's clearly not "no drawbacks whatsoever" - you can't take other allies. You also can't take advantage of any of the Farsight Enclaves special rules at all. So you're really just getting a Codex: Tau Empire army with an extra mandatory HQ requirement and more slots in exchange for not being able to take any other allies. Near as I can tell, RAW is that Tau allied with Farsight is exactly the same as Tau allied with Tau.

How in the world do you get that? What part of battle brothers do you not get? Why would they even bother to state point blank that Enclave forces can all as Battle Brothers with other Tau.

If anything they should have made them allies of Convenience or maybe Desperate Allies.

I made a post for this in YMDC; Id happilly argue with your there, but I'm trying to not derail the rumor post.

 davou wrote:
I made a post for this in YMDC; Id happilly argue with your there, but I'm trying to not derail the rumor post.

I lol'd this was pass due by about 5 post.



On topic: It appears they fixed a majority of the errors. It even appears they cleaned up the commanders paragraph a little bit.

Does it actually work now?

@Tombking

The only issues left are the use ot the word "Army" instead of "Detachment" throughout the army page and the commander paragraph (which didn't change as far as I could see).

The first is for consistancy and to quell people who argue against the common way 40k works regarding the word "army". The other is needed badly even though I've started lean that Farsight is required to use the commanders.

Doubt it, GW are not very good at writing texts that can be read, or even analyzed by experts.

I was waiting to buy this until they fixed the wording for command team. Is it cleared up now?

Yes, it says When choosing a Farsight Enclaves army with Commander Farsight as its Warlord, you may take Farsight’s Commander Team instead of Farsight’s XV8 Crisis Bodyguard Team."

seems to be you need farsight to unlock the team.

Is that the IPAD or the digital?

I ask because I downloaded the digital this morning and the wording hadn't changed yet for the digital version.

Digital, just downloaded it

They just updated both, Brad. Farsight as requisite was indeed intended; actually arguably got more restrictive, as he must also now be your warlord.

Glad they updated it. I'll download when I get home. Anybody see if they switched the word "army" to detachment?

And now if only they'd come up with a way to notify people who purchased they have updated the file....Oh well, baby steps

They did not.

Interesting to see, if the print version will include those corrections or not.

Honestly, I'm hoping they are using the digital versions as a testbed for properly printed and clear books. If it's truly 3 months away they could still have time to make these kinds of changes to the file while they wait for the print run.

Considering they have updated the standard Digital one twice already, clarifying and fixing items both times it's at least plausible.

I'm just glad that they update the standard digital to even if we don't have a notification that it's been updated

There was an update on the Eldar codex for Ipad (it shows NEW on my library) but I see no change on the Farsight book.

My guess is that the change for the Ipad version is in the works. Apple doesn't usually allow for quick changes to products they carry as it has to go through some kind of screening process. A lot of games in the itunes store, for example, might have a glitch from an update that makes them unplayable, but Apple still makes the company wait a week or more sometimes before they let the fix through.

Noc

Hidden in the Black Templar thread but worth reposting here:

Anonymous source on faeit212, probably Stickmonkey wrote:Tau Mercs

another Tau Supplement is in the works, it lines up with a few other rumours I've heard about the Tau before it was released to the world. Vespid and Kroot HQ choices, and the ability to play a non "Tau" Lists.

Stickmonkey on Faeit 212 wrote:I have a little more on the Tau mercs supplement.

First, I was told this wasnt planned be out til Q1.

Second, I was told that either this or one of the eldar supplements would be the first with a model wave to go along with it. I wasnt told which models or which eldar supplement.

warning: what follows is my speculation

My best guesses are a plastic pack kroot hq, which I saw in design before. This would be a slightly bigger kroot than the current troops. Had a tau rifle, not a kroot gun. A bit more armor than a standard kroot. Standing on a rock in a "crossing the Delaware" pose. Caveat that this was still in CAD, lots can change, and it was last fall.

Also a vespid plastic kit thats been ready for a while.

My eldar guess would be the first round of the plastic aspects with beil-tan.

When the tau dex was released I went back to my sources about the allied races not getting support after seeing so much studio work on them, and this was eventually what I was told.

Farsight enclave now has to be primary to access the command team. That is the only way Farsight can be the warlord.

Finally got my hands on it, and I must say, I'm much more impressed with this than Iyanden. The fluff was well written; Farsight seems impressive, brilliant and powerful, but not bombastically so, he knows defeat, failure, and hardship. If our Spiritual Liege is indeed the author, I'm even more impressed.

Not worth the price tag, mind you, but still solid quality. Maybe ten bucks less and I'd feel more confident in my purchase.

The command team is also amusing. Continuing the oft-blatant Japanese theme of the Tau, they're effectively the Seven Samurai, except there's 9 of them. No matter, for the list I put together tentatively uses 7 total (don't much care for riptides, and the broadside didn't much appeal to me). Rules wise, they seem decisively powerful, with access to gear you wouldn't be able to field in such quantities normally, or easily. I thought a normal farsight bomb was deadly, this is a whole different beast.

Honestly, these guys may end up as my next army project, likely get them started with any windfall money and the like as a break from the hundreds of Krieg I have to build and paint.

So no more adding a quick Farsight detachment to get 2 riptides. Seems fair. I still think you'll see lots of Tau players taking Farsight allies just to get scoring suits with a minimal tax (6 pts for 2 squads-- any you get heroic morale and ork hunters for that) plus some extra elite/FA/HS slots. I guess it's balanced, though, since it precludes you taking counter assault units and fast durable stuff like Eldar jetbikes.

Added the new rumours to the first post - would be exciting to see a supplement that actually made Vespids usefull

Kroot Mercs!! I had more fun with that army than any others...and rarely won a game hehe. Keeping my fingers crossed for that!!

I still think I'll end up building models of all the different commanders and just use them in a friendly game for lulz or whatever.

Divergent Destiny...can or cannot...in the text I cannot take Shadowsun and in the highlighted I can...God help GW

While we are picking apart everything what about the fact that the pictures of Torchstar's model show her equipped with a missile pod that she doesn't have in her equipment list?

 Kroothawk wrote:
Hidden in the Black Templar thread but worth reposting here:

Anonymous source on faeit212, probably Stickmonkey wrote:Tau Mercs

another Tau Supplement is in the works, it lines up with a few other rumours I've heard about the Tau before it was released to the world. Vespid and Kroot HQ choices, and the ability to play a non "Tau" Lists.

Stickmonkey on Faeit 212 wrote:I have a little more on the Tau mercs supplement.

First, I was told this wasnt planned be out til Q1.

Second, I was told that either this or one of the eldar supplements would be the first with a model wave to go along with it. I wasnt told which models or which eldar supplement.

warning: what follows is my speculation

My best guesses are a plastic pack kroot hq, which I saw in design before. This would be a slightly bigger kroot than the current troops. Had a tau rifle, not a kroot gun. A bit more armor than a standard kroot. Standing on a rock in a "crossing the Delaware" pose. Caveat that this was still in CAD, lots can change, and it was last fall.

Also a vespid plastic kit thats been ready for a while.

My eldar guess would be the first round of the plastic aspects with beil-tan.

When the tau dex was released I went back to my sources about the allied races not getting support after seeing so much studio work on them, and this was eventually what I was told.

Although I don't like/play Tau, but it's great to see an army getting supplements, which was neglected a bit previously. I can only wish armies I play get some love in the coming years.

I would bet that is a guarantee that there will be another Tau supplement sheerly because on page 88 it stated you can only use one supplement when making an army.

But all in all, a kroon supplement will pretty awesome.

Xenos mercs would be more fun.

via Stickmonkey on Faeit 212 wrote:
I'd heard Biel-Tan was being worked on after Iyaden, and Saim-Hann was later. But from what I've heard lately it seems the supplements are pure labors of love, and not necessarily slotting into releases like we've traditionally thought. That they are following a "when it's done" release scheme, and not strict deadlines. Multiple digital supplements in a month would also not be unheard of.

There is a lot going on. I've heard scattered rumors of 2014 seeing many new models introduce to codexes with rules in box, but I haven't confirmed this.

 pretre wrote:

via Stickmonkey on Faeit 212 wrote:
I'd heard Biel-Tan was being worked on after Iyaden, and Saim-Hann was later. But from what I've heard lately it seems the supplements are pure labors of love, and not necessarily slotting into releases like we've traditionally thought. That they are following a "when it's done" release scheme, and not strict deadlines. Multiple digital supplements in a month would also not be unheard of.

There is a lot going on. I've heard scattered rumors of 2014 seeing many new models introduce to codexes with rules in box, but I haven't confirmed this.

That's acutally not bad. "Labors of love" would, at least partially, ensure that these supplements come out well done, as anyone who wants to do them will do them and do them well, at least I hope they do.

 IXLoiero95XI wrote:
I would bet that is a guarantee that there will be another Tau supplement sheerly because on page 88 it stated you can only use one supplement when making an army.

But all in all, a kroon supplement will pretty awesome.

It also stops stuff like Iyandan + Farsight, which I guess is to keep possibly bizarre rule interactions at a minimum. It also means that the allies matrix never really gets out of control, because you never need to worry if the Black Legion can ally with Farsight Enclave, for instance.

 IXLoiero95XI wrote:
I would bet that is a guarantee that there will be another Tau supplement sheerly because on page 88 it stated you can only use one supplement when making an army.

But all in all, a kroon supplement will pretty awesome.

Kroon Supplement!

With the epic heroes Frah'nk Cen'atra, Jeymes De'en, and Sam'ee Du'vis?

I'm in for that.

Actually De'en Mart'n
And you can buy them in a multi-part plastic rat pack

As a heads up regarding the word "army" throughout the rules. This is the email I got back from the digital guys.

Hi Brad,
I've spoken to our rules guys.
You are correct, use the word 'detachment' in both cases, rather than army.

This will be added to future editions.

Thanks, Eddie

 pretre wrote:

via Stickmonkey on Faeit 212 wrote:
I'd heard Biel-Tan was being worked on after Iyaden, and Saim-Hann was later. But from what I've heard lately it seems the supplements are pure labors of love, and not necessarily slotting into releases like we've traditionally thought. That they are following a "when it's done" release scheme, and not strict deadlines. Multiple digital supplements in a month would also not be unheard of.

There is a lot going on. I've heard scattered rumors of 2014 seeing many new models introduce to codexes with rules in box, but I haven't confirmed this.

Hey, now maybe those rumored rhino variants will come with rules inserts for codex: blood angels, space wolves, and dark angels. This would make it so a possible Dark Angels supplement wouldn't be giving them common variant units, but instead maybe a fallen angel supplement (rules for cypher, and the fallen D. Angels army special rules, possibly a rule allowing them to ally with chaos).

@Hulk what again does that change? Missed that argument.

 Ironwill13791 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

via Stickmonkey on Faeit 212 wrote:
I'd heard Biel-Tan was being worked on after Iyaden, and Saim-Hann was later. But from what I've heard lately it seems the supplements are pure labors of love, and not necessarily slotting into releases like we've traditionally thought. That they are following a "when it's done" release scheme, and not strict deadlines. Multiple digital supplements in a month would also not be unheard of.

There is a lot going on. I've heard scattered rumors of 2014 seeing many new models introduce to codexes with rules in box, but I haven't confirmed this.

Hey, now maybe those rumored rhino variants will come with rules inserts for codex: blood angels, space wolves, and dark angels. This would make it so a possible Dark Angels supplement wouldn't be giving them common variant units, but instead maybe a fallen angel supplement (rules for cypher, and the fallen D. Angels army special rules, possibly a rule allowing them to ally with chaos).

Long story short they are charging $60 for something that used to be free in WD. Both fluff and additional rules wise.

People were saying you couldn't take normal signature systems in armies were either primary with enclave allies or allied in standard tau. People were also saying you couldn't include Aun'va or Shadowsun even in a Tau Empire army with allied Enclave. Or several other "army" issues.

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

via Stickmonkey on Faeit 212 wrote:
I'd heard Biel-Tan was being worked on after Iyaden, and Saim-Hann was later. But from what I've heard lately it seems the supplements are pure labors of love, and not necessarily slotting into releases like we've traditionally thought. That they are following a "when it's done" release scheme, and not strict deadlines. Multiple digital supplements in a month would also not be unheard of.

There is a lot going on. I've heard scattered rumors of 2014 seeing many new models introduce to codexes with rules in box, but I haven't confirmed this.

Hey, now maybe those rumored rhino variants will come with rules inserts for codex: blood angels, space wolves, and dark angels. This would make it so a possible Dark Angels supplement wouldn't be giving them common variant units, but instead maybe a fallen angel supplement (rules for cypher, and the fallen D. Angels army special rules, possibly a rule allowing them to ally with chaos).

Long story short they are charging $60 for something that used to be free in WD. Both fluff and additional rules wise.

Who paid $60 for it? I paid $30.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Ravenous D wrote:

 Ironwill13791 wrote:

 pretre wrote:

via Stickmonkey on Faeit 212 wrote:
I'd heard Biel-Tan was being worked on after Iyaden, and Saim-Hann was later. But from what I've heard lately it seems the supplements are pure labors of love, and not necessarily slotting into releases like we've traditionally thought. That they are following a "when it's done" release scheme, and not strict deadlines. Multiple digital supplements in a month would also not be unheard of.

There is a lot going on. I've heard scattered rumors of 2014 seeing many new models introduce to codexes with rules in box, but I haven't confirmed this.

Hey, now maybe those rumored rhino variants will come with rules inserts for codex: blood angels, space wolves, and dark angels. This would make it so a possible Dark Angels supplement wouldn't be giving them common variant units, but instead maybe a fallen angel supplement (rules for cypher, and the fallen D. Angels army special rules, possibly a rule allowing them to ally with chaos).

Long story short they are charging $60 for something that used to be free in WD. Both fluff and additional rules wise.

Who paid $60 for it? I paid $30.

Nobody, he's just sandy it isn't free.

Also, I never realized a WD subscription was free. Where can I get in on that?

 cincydooley wrote:


Who paid $60 for it? I paid $30.

Iyanden was $50 and $100 for the LE version, so I assumed all the supplements were the same price. Just checked, its $45 Canadian

 BladeTX wrote:


Nobody, he's just sandy it isn't free.

Putting it in white dwarf wouldn't be a bad idea either, considering what you get and little difference it has from the old Chapter approved articles charging 450% more for a digital copy seems like a good reason not to be impressed.

 McNinja wrote:

 pretre wrote:

via Stickmonkey on Faeit 212 wrote:
I'd heard Biel-Tan was being worked on after Iyaden, and Saim-Hann was later. But from what I've heard lately it seems the supplements are pure labors of love, and not necessarily slotting into releases like we've traditionally thought. That they are following a "when it's done" release scheme, and not strict deadlines. Multiple digital supplements in a month would also not be unheard of.

There is a lot going on. I've heard scattered rumors of 2014 seeing many new models introduce to codexes with rules in box, but I haven't confirmed this.

That's acutally not bad. "Labors of love" would, at least partially, ensure that these supplements come out well done, as anyone who wants to do them will do them and do them well, at least I hope they do.

At the same time, it also means people who's preferred factions don't have an advocate in the design team don't get a look in, which is a bit crap since there's significant overlap between "no design-team advocate" and "most suited for the Supplement treatment".

At this point, I'm seriously considering giving regular GW the finger and just using whatever Iron Hands rules are in Massacre for regular 40K games.

Would you say you're giving them, the iron finger

I know for sure I lot of people will be paying the Iron price instead.

Anonymous source on faeit212 wrote:Tau have two more books; one for kroot and one for "the rest" of the expanded empire.

And according to another source, the printed version of the Farsight Supplement might be released as early as 17th August.

Printed version now officially announced for October:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440286a&prodId=prod2160087a

It'd be just smashing if GW came out with a compilation Codex: Supplements 2013 sometime next year. Of course, it'd also be nice if beautiful women sprouted up from my garden each time it rained and I could alchemically create nuggets of gold with nothing but greenstuff and my unpainted Empire wizard... I'd say they're all just about as likely to happen.

 warboss wrote:
It's be just smashing if GW came out with a compilation Codex: Supplements 2013 sometime next year. Of course, it'd also be nice if beautiful women sprouted up from my garden each time it rained and I could alchemically create nuggets of gold with nothing but greenstuff and my unpainted Empire wizard... I'd say they're all just about as likely to happen.

You sir, win the internet.

I will be curious to see if the printed version has corrections/updates in it from the earlier versions of the online one.

I know I will be picking it up.

P-p-p-p-p-plastic Vespid?

Sign me up, Betty!

Thanks. I'm just hoping for an old style 3rd edition Chapter Approved compilation with just the rules for the same price as just one with the fluff. Obviously, that won't happen.

Just a short reminder that Friday night (after midnight in UK), the printed version of the Farsight supplement will be available to order.
Natfka says, it will be preorder only, but he seems not to understand what his own quote says.

I totally forgot about this supplement being released in print format. I'm not sure it's good marketing to have a digital release so far ahead so that everyone can read it, accept it, and forget about it.

Considering all the errors the i-supplement had at release, it might have been a beta test.

 HoverBoy wrote:
Considering all the errors the i-supplement had at release, it might have been a beta test.

Don't tell the Sororitas fans

Any word on the LE cover?

 Oaka wrote:
I totally forgot about this supplement being released in print format. I'm not sure it's good marketing to have a digital release so far ahead so that everyone can read it, accept it, and forget about it.

I for one have had access to the digital version and have tested it to death, but I've still been waiting for the printed version. I intend to buy it as soon as it's released. Of course optimally I'd like the printed version to be released the same time as the digital version, but if GW can release more new stuff faster this way I don't have any objections. GW is going to double the amount of tournament legal 40K army books it has in a few years at this pace and I'm looking forward to it.

I have it on order with my LGS. Eagerly awaiting Enclave love.

They are now online to order (not pre-order), well even if ATM the order button for the normal edition is defunct:

Edit: Okay, now fixed and available to order as well, even if the front page says pre-order.
BTW in Germany the limited edition is 10€ more expensive than previously announced.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod2250024a


Limited Edition:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod2250026a




They added the usual one-click collection:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod2280048a

Just preordered my limited edition.

As said: You just ordered it, not pre-ordered it. The preorder page is empty, the banner on the front page is misinformed.
The books will be packed and send on Monday.

 Kroothawk wrote:
As said: You just ordered it, not pre-ordered it. The preorder page is empty, the banner on the front page is misinformed.
The books will be packed and send on Monday.

Bleh I know what Is meant

Just curious if anyone else has placed an order for the Codex yet? I placed an order on Saturday the 19th and it still says "processing" 3 days later. Don't think I have had an order from GW take this long to go through.

hokieseas wrote:
Just curious if anyone else has placed an order for the Codex yet? I placed an order on Saturday the 19th and it still says "processing" 3 days later. Don't think I have had an order from GW take this long to go through.

I ordered it (in store) on sunday and mine still says it is being processed too.

My local GW receives their stuff once a week, on wednesday, so when I ordered the manager already told me to not expect it this wednesday but wednesday next week (which I already did anyway).

I also still have an order I placed in 2009 that is still being processed according to my account, even though I received it about a week later.

Well mine says it has shipped so ill pick it up today or tomorrow.

yeah,
I got mine in the post today
Reading it now.
I'm not upto date with this thread are there any questions about what was/wasn't updated.

Panic...

Mine still hasn't arrived, goddamn TNT.