2017 Catalogue - pics courtesy Joe Grocutt from GBHL
Gundabad Berzerkers - £22 for 3
Plastic Lake-town house - includes modular house, jetties, boat, oathouse, and extra bits. £25 each or three-pack for £70
RE-RELEASE!!! Ruined Watchtower at Amon-Sul "WEATHERTOP" £255
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GW has just annihilated the secondary market - the Weathertop piece has been going for up to £1000, and the re-release is, from what I understand, cheaper than the original release in 2002.
The plastic Lake-town house with all those accessories is an absolute steal at that price. (Aiming to get at least six, up to twelve)
Gundabad berzerkers are definitely overpriced, especially compared to the Iron Hill Dwarves. (I'll still get a pack, though)
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: Amon Sul is seriously tempting. Is it limited edition or do I have time to sensibly save up the money for it?
No idea, to be honest. It's in their catalog and nowhere in the text does it say "limited edition". But I wouldn't wait too long. I'm definitely on the fence about spending that money, but it's also such a beautiful piece.
Manchu wrote: I'm not too into the Laketown Battle per se but I am looking forward to constructing a fishing village to be the target of Deep Ones and Sahuagin.
I was thinking the same thing. A couple of those would make a great Strange Aeons board.
Ohman wrote: I haven't been paying much attention to LOTR for some time but it doesn't appear to be carried by indies anymore? At least not the new stuff.
Up the the FLGS. Much of the plastic box sets are all retail packaging. Blister packs have pretty much moved to direct only.
Manchu wrote: I'm not too into the Laketown Battle per se but I am looking forward to constructing a fishing village to be the target of Deep Ones and Sahuagin.
You say that now but you'll be wide-eyed and excited when I have it all painted and you're about to play!
GW product description wrote:This bundle allows you to build 3 Lake-town Houses. The Lake-town House features a great deal of modularity, meaning multiple kits can be easily converted to create your own Lake-town settlement. The house itself features reversible gable ends, and the kit includes a ton of extras:
- 1 rowing boat with separate oars;
- 2 barrels;
- 2 fish baskets;
- 1 glass float;
- 3 lanterns;
- 1 hanging sign board;
- 1 outhouse, including seat and door;
- 1 loading hook;
- 3 long walkways and 1 short walkway.
It includes an outhouse...
Price is 83 NZD for a single set, 230 NZD for the bundle of three. Saves you 19 NZD. Don't have US prices yet, but just a heads up that the bundle DOES save you some money.
Yeah, I can see those kits being very popular. They'd make for a great Laketown board and I look forward to seeing what the LotR community can come up with, but at the same time they're generic enough that they'd work just as well in AoS/KoW/Frostgrave/Malifaux, basically anything fantasy or steampunk. Top notch stuff from GW there at a very reasonable price.
28mm vs 32mm is noticeable in minis, but for terrain I think it'll be fine, I use 28mm terrain with Batman (35mm) without too much trouble, and those minis are consistently taller than Malifaux stuff. Depends a lot on how picky you are about terrain but for filling out a board with housing, I imagine a lot of people will take a few mm in scale difference for the price and quality of these kits.
Nice terrain for mordheim also, just don't put down water and you have the docks part of town where all the water evaporated. Could even used parched earth gaming mats to show that.
The Laketown houses look fantastic, will be tough not to pick up a ton of packs to build a whole town.
Really happy about Weathertop being re-released as well, long overdue, it is a fantastic model. GW have been paying a little bit of attention to aftermarket sales for a while now and seeing opportunities. Gives me hope they will one day re-release the Empire Landship.
Only disapointment are the Gundabad beserkers 3 for 22. Was hoping they would be inline with current infantry (3 for 15).
I'm really hoping GW were sensible enough to slightly over-scale the Laketown kits, they'd be perfect for any number of Mordheim-related projects but not if they're noticably smaller than existing terrain.
CptJake wrote: So... Do the Laketown buildings have interior detail?
Adam Troke on FB talked about this - they designed the walls as double-sided specifically for variety if you've got multiple sets. (You can see one side has glass windows, and the other side has curtained windows, for example)
Yodhrin wrote: I'm really hoping GW were sensible enough to slightly over-scale the Laketown kits, they'd be perfect for any number of Mordheim-related projects but not if they're noticably smaller than existing terrain.
I doubt making the kit compatible with other games crossed their mind so much as having to get IP licensor approval from NLP. But, modern Hobbit models definitely have a little scale creep going on compared to early LOTR models so I'm going to assume they will work just fine. Note that Master of Lake-town and Alfrid are on 25mm bases.
As I look at this building another potential use comes to mind. Add some 'moss' and good weathering and it could be way out in the bayou for some voodoo action (possibly as a cult hang out for Strange Aeons...)
May be able to put it into a Pirate scenario too now that I think of it.
Hadn't visit the LotR/Hobbit section of the website for ages so I just noticed the bundles there.
The houses and the Goblin town scenery (decorated with stuff from the 40k scenery) would make some nice terrain for Necromunda and 40k (Underhive settlement or slum). Boats for spider-hunters and outhouses where giant rats lurk (and who will explode if you use flamers nearby) inclusive. Hmm... guess they just found a new albeit unusual customer for their Hobbit scenery.
Yodhrin wrote: I'm really hoping GW were sensible enough to slightly over-scale the Laketown kits, they'd be perfect for any number of Mordheim-related projects but not if they're noticably smaller than existing terrain.
I doubt making the kit compatible with other games crossed their mind so much as having to get IP licensor approval from NLP. But, modern Hobbit models definitely have a little scale creep going on compared to early LOTR models so I'm going to assume they will work just fine. Note that Master of Lake-town and Alfrid are on 25mm bases.
Well of course, nobody would ever accuse GW of being sensible enough to recognise opportunities to sell their product beyond their own little ecosystem, but it costs nothing to hope except the inevitable disappointment. Which that picture, alas, provides - scale creep or no, compared to modern WHF-sized miniatures the houses are too wee to fit in with my existing WHF buildings.
CptJake wrote: Damn, they've 'sold out' before I had a chance to order. How does a pre-order sell out?
Because GW have already produced how ever much stock they're going to produce. I mean, what kind of madness would it be to build capacity into your production line that would enable you to respond to greater than expected demand? Pfffhahah, lunacy sir, I say lunacy. Everyone knows the only sensible business strategy is to make a rough guess at how much of an item you'll need to make, without prior market research, then hope for the best - and who cares if you sell out in a ridiculously short period of time and people have to wait weeks or months for a restock? Obviously your customers will simply wait, patiently, watching your website with the intensity of a snake surveying its imminent prey for a future opportunity to buy.
(and because this is the internet - yes, that was sarcasm)
Yodhrin wrote: I mean, what kind of madness would it be to build capacity into your production line that would enable you to respond to greater than expected demand?
Expensive is the word you're looking for. GW can't afford expensive these days, especially not when it comes to a niche line running on life support.
Lake-Town House is Temporarily out of stock, not No longer available. It will be back as soon as they can refill the supply. Usually, it doesn't take that long. It might be good idea to click E-mail me button so that they can see how many people are interested in the product so that it doesn't run out of stock again. When Ruins of Osgiliath returned, they run out of stock multiple times.
Yodhrin wrote: Well of course, nobody would ever accuse GW of being sensible enough to recognise opportunities to sell their product beyond their own little ecosystem, but it costs nothing to hope except the inevitable disappointment. Which that picture, alas, provides - scale creep or no, compared to modern WHF-sized miniatures the houses are too wee to fit in with my existing WHF buildings.
Seems very sensible to me. Making a kit based on a licensed property for that licensed property be accurate to the licensed property is exactly what they've done. And since it's for 28mm-30mm models, the mass appeal is already built in. While I'm sure if the kit was perhaps 3.2% larger then you would have purchased a bajillion houses, the rest of the world disagrees. Even the grognards on TMP are begrudgingly calling a cease-fire on their anti-GW hate. Yesterday the Frostrgrave FB groups were abuzz with people buying droves of the kit.
CptJake wrote: Damn, they've 'sold out' before I had a chance to order. How does a pre-order sell out?
Because GW have already produced how ever much stock they're going to produce.
Well, no, you're wrong. As has been mentioned ITT and elsewhere, Adam Troke has specifically said GW is allowing certain things to happen in limited quantities to gauge the interest of continuing support of SBG. The re-release of out of production models - which have sold out multiple times now; the release of new models through Forge World - whose sales have been apparently far more than FW anticipated; the release of a new sourcebook - which also sold out of it's initial print run nearly worldwide in a day or two; and the release of a new plastic kit - which has now sold out worldwide within a few hours - are all exceptionally good news for the entire SBG community as that is precisely what we needed to have happen.
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jullevi wrote: Lake-Town House is Temporarily out of stock, not No longer available. It will be back as soon as they can refill the supply. Usually, it doesn't take that long. It might be good idea to click E-mail me button so that they can see how many people are interested in the product so that it doesn't run out of stock again. When Ruins of Osgiliath returned, they run out of stock multiple times.
Dude, logic doesn't matter to several people. The house could be oversized to match Playmobil figures, be entirely free, have working torches, delivered to your house by the design studio itself, and come with a free sandwich, and certain people will still call it a missed opportunity or a failure on GW's part.
Speaking of which, Ruins of Osgiliath is back in stock, both the single and the discounted three-pack.
Yodhrin wrote: Well of course, nobody would ever accuse GW of being sensible enough to recognise opportunities to sell their product beyond their own little ecosystem, but it costs nothing to hope except the inevitable disappointment. Which that picture, alas, provides - scale creep or no, compared to modern WHF-sized miniatures the houses are too wee to fit in with my existing WHF buildings.
Seems very sensible to me. Making a kit based on a licensed property for that licensed property be accurate to the licensed property is exactly what they've done. And since it's for 28mm-30mm models, the mass appeal is already built in. While I'm sure if the kit was perhaps 3.2% larger then you would have purchased a bajillion houses, the rest of the world disagrees. Even the grognards on TMP are begrudgingly calling a cease-fire on their anti-GW hate. Yesterday the Frostrgrave FB groups were abuzz with people buying droves of the kit.
Garbage. The scale variation within the LotR range is already ample evidence that precise adherence to relative scale is not necessary for GW to get approval for a product, and so a marginal increase in the product's scale to give it additional sales potential outside the intended niche is an unequivocal positive. And Frostgrave hardly serves to bolster your case, given that its models while being heroic in scale are much closer in height to modern LotR than modern GW, so how exactly is their enthusiasm any guide to people who's collections are based around the latter? Regardless, if GW don't want extra money they won't get it, that's their choice.
CptJake wrote: Damn, they've 'sold out' before I had a chance to order. How does a pre-order sell out?
Because GW have already produced how ever much stock they're going to produce.
Well, no, you're wrong. As has been mentioned ITT and elsewhere, Adam Troke has specifically said GW is allowing certain things to happen in limited quantities to gauge the interest of continuing support of SBG. The re-release of out of production models - which have sold out multiple times now; the release of new models through Forge World - whose sales have been apparently far more than FW anticipated; the release of a new sourcebook - which also sold out of it's initial print run nearly worldwide in a day or two; and the release of a new plastic kit - which has now sold out worldwide within a few hours - are all exceptionally good news for the entire SBG community as that is precisely what we needed to have happen.
I'm wrong, and then you spend a whole paragraph explaining exactly how I'm right? Question: How can a preorder sell out? Answer: Because GW produced the number of kits they intended to produce. Your criticism: You're wrong, because GW produced the number of kits they intended to produce
Relax, like you said, they're gauging interest and this is just the first production run. If they have any sense, they'll try to get it back in stock in time for Xmas so they don't miss out on further sales. And the products weren't labelled as Limited Edition, like the various LE resin terrain pieces for 40K (generator etc) that sold out in a day, or the original re-release of Space Hulk a few years back when it became unavailable again for years. So they will be back at some point, the only question is when.
I want the new source book but can't afford to buy it right now (well...I can but it'd be irresponsible ) so its on my Xmas list. But then it sold out in a day or two. Hopefully it'll be back in stock in time for Christmas.
Also, I would prefer it if they didn't start deliberately over-scaling their terrain to fit heroic scale miniatures. I want SBG terrain to fit SBG miniatures, not Warhammer. Warhammer players have got a huge range of Warhammer terrain to choose from, stop trying to hijack our tiny range.
Yay for ruins being back! Also those houses are awesome. They are great because they fit for a variety of fantasy settings and don't have the typical overabundance of skulls and spikes.
jmurph wrote: Yay for ruins being back! Also those houses are awesome. They are great because they fit for a variety of fantasy settings and don't have the typical overabundance of skulls and spikes.
That's more due to Weta Workshop than Games Workshop.
Yodhrin wrote: Garbage. The scale variation within the LotR range is already ample evidence that precise adherence to relative scale is not necessary for GW to get approval for a product, and so a marginal increase in the product's scale to give it additional sales potential outside the intended niche is an unequivocal positive. And Frostgrave hardly serves to bolster your case, given that its models while being heroic in scale are much closer in height to modern LotR than modern GW, so how exactly is their enthusiasm any guide to people who's collections are based around the latter? Regardless, if GW don't want extra money they won't get it, that's their choice.
Your poe-like position is unintentionally amusing. So, GW should scale Hobbit releases from 28/30mm to 40k and AOS 38mm so that people will buy Esgaroth terrain to use for Age of Sigmar instead of The Hobbit? Or you want them scaled for 33mm for Mordheim and Warhammer Fantasy, both dead products? I'd like clarification on what your "position" is. Increase scale by 35% so that it is unusable for SBG but is appropriate for Khorne Bloodbound and Deathwatch Marines to hang out on and get their fishing done?
CptJake wrote: Damn, they've 'sold out' before I had a chance to order. How does a pre-order sell out?
Because GW have already produced how ever much stock they're going to produce.
Well, no, you're wrong. As has been mentioned ITT and elsewhere, Adam Troke has specifically said GW is allowing certain things to happen in limited quantities to gauge the interest of continuing support of SBG. The re-release of out of production models - which have sold out multiple times now; the release of new models through Forge World - whose sales have been apparently far more than FW anticipated; the release of a new sourcebook - which also sold out of it's initial print run nearly worldwide in a day or two; and the release of a new plastic kit - which has now sold out worldwide within a few hours - are all exceptionally good news for the entire SBG community as that is precisely what we needed to have happen.
I'm wrong, and then you spend a whole paragraph explaining exactly how I'm right? Question: How can a preorder sell out? Answer: Because GW produced the number of kits they intended to produce. Your criticism: You're wrong, because GW produced the number of kits they intended to produce
This might be a misinterpretation on my part. I read your response as GW has sold however much stuck they're going to produce, ever, when that is clearly not the case (and has been confirmed by GW Customer Service that more is on the way). So if you meant to say "GW has sold the number of kits they produced for this first production run, and there will be more coming", then yes, you are correct. In any other case, you're wrong, which is what I responded to, providing evidence of multiple production runs of re-released previously-out-of-production models.
No...that was my interpretation too. It was exactly what he said. "GW has already produced however much stock they're going to produce". If thats not what he means, then he didn't express himself clearly.
They're clearly just testing the waters. Like with Smaug, and the Osgiliath ruins that goes out of stock and comes back in stock regularly, the fact that it instantly sold out guarantees that they'll do another production run.
No...that was my interpretation too. It was exactly what he said. "GW has already produced however much stock they're going to produce". If thats not what he means, then he didn't express himself clearly.
They're clearly just testing the waters. Like with Smaug, and the Osgiliath ruins that goes out of stock and comes back in stock regularly, the fact that it instantly sold out guarantees that they'll do another production run.
From what I understand, they produced a significant number of Laketown house kits (in the tens of thousands) and sold out much more quickly than they anticipated (like, much much much more quickly, by weeks and months) - the original second run was scheduled for February and GW are internally moving that second production run ahead of other kits. No matter what the reasoning was for people buying the kits (for Mordheim, sure), it sends a phenomenally good message to GW about how re-investing into SBG was a smart business move.
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The Design Studio folks have loaned Warhammer World the painted Lake-town Houses, and icy Long Lake board they built, so you can see the new scenery set up in a mini diorama, in our store now!
(fear not if you missed ordering your own Lake-town House, the Goblins are hard at work in the plastic mines, just click "email me" and you'll be among the first to know when it's back in stock! : https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Lake-Town-House)
Yodhrin wrote: I mean, what kind of madness would it be to build capacity into your production line that would enable you to respond to greater than expected demand?
Expensive is the word you're looking for. GW can't afford expensive these days, especially not when it comes to a niche line running on life support.
The trolls are out in force I see. I skipped the first release of the houses due to money. well, Christmas. But I think i'll get a triple pack next time round. I have a hankering to kit bash all three into the Masters mansion.
Kalamadea wrote: While these aren't SPECIFICALLY LotR per say, Unreleased Miniatures just posted a lot of new Not-Last-Alliance Elves including some army bundles
I love their stuff. Just ordered a ton of Not-Gundabad and Not-HunterOrc command models, etc, for their Black Friday sale. I will most likely also get the Noble Elves so I can field Gil-Galad and his Court.
godswildcard wrote: Love the new houses and excited to get a feel for the actual book.
I need to start getting some terrain together. I'd love to do a no-joke ruins of Osgiliath board and perhaps a Gondor fishing village board.
I've been playing with the idea of an Osgilliath board actually. Was thinking about kit bashing it along with the goblin town scenery to make it look like the orcs have been throwing up some ramshackle construction during the invasion.
Missed the new sourcebook just because GW did not send it to my favourite indipendent store. Sucha pity... I now have to wait.
Just wanted to start a Dale army: someone keep saying it is quite strong and I love those models.
Fans of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey™ Strategy Battle Game have been celebrating the recent release of The Hobbit: Motion Picture Trilogy™ There and Back Again supplement (Editor’s Note: this book has flown off the shelves and we are in the process of printing more even now, so click ’email me’ on the product page to be informed right away when they’re back in stock).
This 152-page book includes an array of new and updated profiles and army lists, and a cool new perk: Army Bonuses. These brand new Army Bonuses reward players for taking an army that is true to the films and built around a certain theme, providing an extra bonus that applies to the whole force! This allows players to faithfully recreate their favourite scenes from the movies and get something extra for doing so.
We caught up with the Middle-earth™ team’s Adam Troke and Jay Clare to see what this new book means for their own armies.
The Army of Thror
Adam: Back when we were playtesting the scenarios and army lists for The Hobbit: Motion Picture Trilogy™ There and Back Again, I really enjoyed the ones that focused on the Army of Thror – who doesn’t love the idea of recreating the bloodiest battle in the history of the Dwarves!
The release of the new book has inspired me to bring out of retirement some of my fledgling armies from The Hobbit™ and first in line is my Army of Thror. Way back, I painted a couple of sets of Grim Hammers and a Thrain miniature, but it wasn’t until I played a cracking game against Lora Morle* at a recent event in Warhammer World that I realised I wanted to collect a whole army of my own. Lora’s army of stubborn little Dwarves looked fantastic, and they were led by Thorin Oakenshield™ and Dwalin the Dwarf™, and in the new There and Back Again book, there is a cool army special rule for the force. So this week, my own Grim Hammers and Thrain came out of mothballs, and already Young Thorin Oakenshield™ and his grandfather, Thror are on my painting table! I’ll be sticking with the red paint scheme for the elite models in the force, and doing some new Erebor Dwarves in blue to match Thorin.
Adam: In other news… I’ve always wanted to do an army for Dale, City of Men too. The Men of Dale have had a bit of a refresh, and I’m determined to do them justice with my own collection in the next couple of months. For starters, Girion, Lord of Dale has access to the Windlance, so I picked one up and have already built it (keeping the Bard the Bowman™ spare for when I want to use him with it instead). Girion can now start happily shooting at any Dragons, Trolls or any other beasties that threaten his lovely city.
*We’ve asked Lora to share her Dwarf army with us, and we’ll be showing it in a forthcoming blog post soon.
Survivors of Lake-town
Jay: Those who know me well will know that my absolute favourite army is my rather large collection for Lake-town, and it is something I have had a great deal of success with. Lake-town being, of course, the home of my all-time favourite character in Middle-earth – the Dragon-slayer himself, Bard the Bowman.
The release of The Hobbit: Motion Picture Trilogy™ There and Back Again has led to some rather drastic changes to my armies; changes that have made me want to alter which models I take when I game with my own Survivors of Lake-town army. Now, usually I would ally my army with a selection of other models that would help my Lake-town force on the table (Saruman and Galadriel being the usual culprits). However, now if I were to do this I would lose the fantastic Army Bonus that the Survivors of Lake-town get for only taking models from that list, a sacrifice I am unwilling to make. Luckily for me, Gandalf™ the Grey is now part of the Survivors of Lake-town list, meaning that I can have the Grey Wizard lead some Lake-town Militia, and still have a Wizard to cater to all my spell-related needs.
Jay: The new book also adds a slew of new Heroes to the list, from Percy the mild-mannered porter to Bard’s children, and even the Master Burglar himself, Bilbo Baggins™. This has given me a greater range of characters to choose from, and means I can finally take Bilbo Baggins in my army – something I have been putting off for far too long. As I am a rather impatient sort, There and Back Again has also presented me with the opportunity to convert my own versions of the Heroes that have not yet been sculpted – as you can see with my conversion of Bain, son of Bard (made out of an Alfrid the Counselor with the head from a spare Bilbo Baggins).
The new The Hobbit: Motion Picture Trilogy™ There and Back Again is a fantastic way to add even more characters and units to your games, and the Army Bonuses may even be an indication of what the future holds for the Strategy Battle Game…
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: Not keen on the sound of those. Bit close to going down the formations/detachments/whatever you call them that other GW games are straining under.
If they are option, then fine. I like playing in Middle Earth, not recreating the films.
It's not detachments or anything. It's just an army wide bonus if you keep the same theme. So like Azog's hunters, or Champion's of Erebor or Isengard, things like that. And the rules aren't anything spectacular. I think the Champions of Erebor one is a +1 Courage boost for troops if they're within 6" of Thorin.
It's only there to try and get people away from spamming unfluffy lists. Like taking black guard and then shoving an Isengard shaman in there so you can make use of fury with them.
It's not like this is anything new, Easterlings and the Harad and Umbar lists have had an army-wide rule for years (it allows their warbands that only contain certain warrior choices to have a 1/2 bow limit, rather than the normal 1/3).
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: Hopefully, but GW doesn't really have much of a track record for not piling more and more rules on top of something.
If its done well, then great and leave it there. But I hope it doesn't begin The Bloat.
The game's been going on for 13+ years and never suffered any bloat. If anything, the rules have been slimmed down compared to how it was. And I trust Adam Troke and the team to do it well. They've already said they only see a few things that really need attention (like re-working special strikes) which will be dealt with when the new rulebook comes next year. So I think it will happily go along as it has been.
Bonuses? I am out. I was thinking about coming back into a good game ruleset. Have this crap in 40K. Also have it in Age of Sigmar. Don't need it in LotR/The Hobbit.
I hate the "free rules" crap for taking formations or what not. At least now in AoS you need to pay for those abailites.
Still I am out. I don't want to be playing the same game or I should say playing part of the same mechanic over and over and over again.
Not over reacting at all. Just made a statement. Didn't pull out my hair, didn't yell (all caps). Just because I have a differing opinion it's over reacting?
Ok if I made a mistake, please explain how I over reacted. Just woke up had no coffee yet and groggy. So maybe I made a mistake. Please correct me where I have over reacted please.
Davor wrote: Bonuses? I am out. I was thinking about coming back into a good game ruleset. Have this crap in 40K. Also have it in Age of Sigmar. Don't need it in LotR/The Hobbit.
I hate the "free rules" crap for taking formations or what not. At least now in AoS you need to pay for those abailites.
Still I am out. I don't want to be playing the same game or I should say playing part of the same mechanic over and over and over again.
GW just never learns it seems sometimes.
...Some of us really like the additional rules for taking specialized lists. I'd say GW has learned that we enjoy it, and have implemented a good idea across their ranges.
Davor wrote: Bonuses? I am out. I was thinking about coming back into a good game ruleset. Have this crap in 40K. Also have it in Age of Sigmar. Don't need it in LotR/The Hobbit.
I hate the "free rules" crap for taking formations or what not. At least now in AoS you need to pay for those abailites.
Still I am out. I don't want to be playing the same game or I should say playing part of the same mechanic over and over and over again.
GW just never learns it seems sometimes.
So instead of grabbing your pitchfork and bashing GW for adding something, you can simply play without it?
As people have said, its nothing game breaking. Its a push to take fluffy lists/armies as there was an apparent dislodge from this when the game first came out.
Sgt. Cortez wrote: These army boni sound like formations going LOTR. Really interested to see what's behind this.
I'm a bit concerned about this idea. I feel SBG was already one of the best rules sets that GW ever published so any significant changes to the basic rules worry me. The fact that they use formations in 40K and (IMO and YMMV) the 40K rules are currently a hot mess does not incline me see the SBG going down the same path as a good thing.
Oh, well. Maybe I'm worrying about nothing. I'll have to wait until I get my hands on the new supplement to make a final determination.
Davor wrote: Bonuses? I am out. I was thinking about coming back into a good game ruleset. Have this crap in 40K. Also have it in Age of Sigmar. Don't need it in LotR/The Hobbit.
I hate the "free rules" crap for taking formations or what not. At least now in AoS you need to pay for those abailites.
Still I am out. I don't want to be playing the same game or I should say playing part of the same mechanic over and over and over again.
GW just never learns it seems sometimes.
Dude, relax. It ain't the Decurion or whatever the hell it is from 40k that gives free units. They're just simple bonuses for fluffy lists. Most of the bonuses aren't eyebrow raisers, quite the opposite. They're quite situational. Things like +1 leadership bubbles like I already said. It's not breaking the game, not in any way.
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: Hopefully, but GW doesn't really have much of a track record for not piling more and more rules on top of something.
If its done well, then great and leave it there. But I hope it doesn't begin The Bloat.
The game's been going on for 13+ years and never suffered any bloat. If anything, the rules have been slimmed down compared to how it was. And I trust Adam Troke and the team to do it well. They've already said they only see a few things that really need attention (like re-working special strikes) which will be dealt with when the new rulebook comes next year. So I think it will happily go along as it has been.
This is Games Workshop you are talking about. The reason LotR has been good for 13+ years is because they didn't touch it for a good number of those and left it alone.
If they do it in a decent way, then all good. Problem is that they ain't exactly got a good track record for this and can only be judged by past performance.
40K/WFB got in a mess by taking a lot of small steps.
Fenrir Kitsune wrote: Hopefully, but GW doesn't really have much of a track record for not piling more and more rules on top of something.
If its done well, then great and leave it there. But I hope it doesn't begin The Bloat.
The game's been going on for 13+ years and never suffered any bloat. If anything, the rules have been slimmed down compared to how it was. And I trust Adam Troke and the team to do it well. They've already said they only see a few things that really need attention (like re-working special strikes) which will be dealt with when the new rulebook comes next year. So I think it will happily go along as it has been.
This is Games Workshop you are talking about. The reason LotR has been good for 13+ years is because they didn't touch it for a good number of those and left it alone.
If they do it in a decent way, then all good. Problem is that they ain't exactly got a good track record for this and can only be judged by past performance.
40K/WFB got in a mess by taking a lot of small steps.
Hm, not really. I don't have my old supplements in front of me right now, but I think it was only really left in the dark for the last 2, maybe 3 years. It had quite regular support up until that point. And I will point out that the team behind it is small (only 4 people) and all of them do talk regularly to players on the GBHL face book page. They actually throw rules suggestions and queries out to the community. Don't be such a negative nancy and enjoy the support that's coming.
It doesn't really matter. Each development team is essentially it's own hub. GW is just the parent group. And here's something to chew on. Every rule change, every new rule, scenario, everything has to be greenlit by New Line studios first. That's why it can take so long to get new stuff. Up to six months I believe. So if they don't think the rules are appropriate and don't fit with what they want, the don't approve it.
I like Adam, but if they could ever bring anyone else back, I would love for Matt Ward and Alessio to return to the team. They're essentially the creators of the game.
I'm quite serious. Because it's their IP. I know Adam Troke mentioned it. I think it was in one of the GBHL podcasts after Ardacon. I'll see if I can find the video later.
I'm quite serious. Because it's their IP. I know Adam Troke mentioned it. I think it was in one of the GBHL podcasts after Ardacon. I'll see if I can find the video later.
I can understand why 40k players are concerned. Since Fifth, 40k has seemingly shattered into a mess. But I doubt that is applicable here. Keep in mind SBG began as a scenario-based system. Army building was added later and has gone through several iterations. Along the way, staying true to Middle-earth has always been a priority even if it has mostly been a matter of "honour" rather than rules. There are only a few list writing restrictions in the current system: evil and good may not ally and you have to take a hero from list X to access non-heroes in list X. The latest changes are not adding further restrictions but rather offering incentives as a way to pursue that same goal - staying true to Middle-earth.
I stopped keeping up with this thread for a couple weeks, and totally missed my chance to order "There and Back Again". There aren't even marked up copies on Ebay. :-( I won't lie... i'm a little heart-broken.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I stopped keeping up with this thread for a couple weeks, and totally missed my chance to order "There and Back Again". There aren't even marked up copies on Ebay. :-( I won't lie... i'm a little heart-broken.
It'll be back soon. It and the lake town houses are supposed to be back in stock by January at the latest I believe.
"There and Back Again" only covers the Hobbit movies right? I have some of the LOTR sourcebooks and I'm using them to introduce my kids to tabletop gaming (they already enjoy board games like Z:BP) but I'm not going to prioritize getting it if it doesn't affect the books I already have.
Lots of self entitled Warhammer players complaining on the Forgeworld face book page. They've had an entire year of almost exclusively Warhammer 40K or 30K releases, and they go ape gak when the SBG gets just one modest sized release?
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Prestor Jon wrote: "There and Back Again" only covers the Hobbit movies right? I have some of the LOTR sourcebooks and I'm using them to introduce my kids to tabletop gaming (they already enjoy board games like Z:BP) but I'm not going to prioritize getting it if it doesn't affect the books I already have.
Yup. If you don't play any Hobbit armies then it won't be relevant to you. Lots of Hobbit profiles have been updated and replaced, but so far as I know none of the core rules have been altered.
The book's second printing was pushed up and I believe the first restock has arrived at Warhammer World.
The great thing is that you can talk to Adam Troke and the Middle Earth design studio directly on Facebook with your questions and concerns. The property is in excellent hands.
Adam Troke works for GW and is in charge of SBG's development. To give you an idea of his approach, the "re-ignition" of this line began with an open day at Warhammer World where fans were invited in to hear about what was coming and see previews as well as participate in a tournament. Since then, we have seen new model releases - including extremely competitively priced high quality plastic terrain - and a new rule book that focuses on the final two Hobbit films (which GW was not able to cover very well for whatever reasons, including New Line's intransigence). Mr. Troke and his collaborators are also pretty accessible via Facebook groups devoted to SBG.
In short, the people currently handling SBG have already made a very favorable impression.
I've been wanting one of those Amon Sul kits since they went out of production. All I managed to get was the half set that was apparently a store display item. Now, if I could only get the three ringwraiths that were only sold in the box set of nine ...
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Lots of self entitled Warhammer players complaining on the Forgeworld face book page. They've had an entire year of almost exclusively Warhammer 40K or 30K releases, and they go ape gak when the SBG gets just one modest sized release?
This has been the case, over and over and over and over again, since Fellowship first released in 2001. 40k/WHFB players have ALWAYS complained about LotR release months "interrupting" their release schedules, "taking away development resources" and just plain complaining that the game would never stick around. It was annoying back then, it's annoying now. Makes me want to go on the FB page and complain that FW is still wasting time and resources releasing 30k models even though GW makes plastic 30K now and FW needs to be concentrating on LotR releases
Just read the thread about the guy calling himself self entitled because he wanted some knight variation and wished the berserkers hadn't been released...i mean jesus..self entitled is an understatement. You'd think people would be happy for any Forge World release that isn't marines at this point.
He called me an SJW for saying I don't believe him his claim that he's only complaining because he's disappointed the thing he wanted wasn't released in time for Xmas. I said I think he'd be complaining no matter what time of the year it was released.
Apparently that means I'm an SJW....which would be news to Dakka Dakka, half of the Off Topic think I'm far right!
Manchu must have wrote that as I was thanking you. I didn't see that only your post. Hence why I thanked you. Thanks Manchu for the extra explanation.
Yes I gathered that. Saw your post then saw his post giving much more detail than me and decided he's more deserving of praise.
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Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Just read the thread about the guy calling himself self entitled because he wanted some knight variation and wished the berserkers hadn't been released...i mean jesus..self entitled is an understatement. You'd think people would be happy for any Forge World release that isn't marines at this point.
He's now saying "niche games" like Epic, Necromunda, Bloodbowl, SBG etc are a waste of time.
Manchu wrote: Adam Troke works for GW and is in charge of SBG's development. To give you an idea of his approach, the "re-ignition" of this line began with an open day at Warhammer World where fans were invited in to hear about what was coming and see previews as well as participate in a tournament. Since then, we have seen new model releases - including extremely competitively priced high quality plastic terrain - and a new rule book that focuses on the final two Hobbit films (which GW was not able to cover very well for whatever reasons, including New Line's intransigence). Mr. Troke and his collaborators are also pretty accessible via Facebook groups devoted to SBG.
In short, the people currently handling SBG have already made a very favorable impression.
It is also his only job. He is the head of the Middle Earth SBG Design Team, along with Jay Clare. It is their sole job, to guide the development and release of SBG and the new Middle-Earth rulebook and new sourcebooks coming next year. They have a release schedule with new models until 2020, and dedicated sculptors.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Just not with Warhammer players. Have you seen the people throwing fits on Forgeworld's facebook page?
I still remember the fits people used to throw about LOTR "wasting" valuable page space in White Dwarf when the game was at its peak. Never mind that LOTR was selling like hotcakes at the time. Never mind that LOTR basically financed GW's way to in-house plastic production. The 40K whiners wanted "moar spece mrines!!!!"
Midnightdeathblade wrote: Any chance on Forgeworld making a squad of BOTFA Elves? Id love to see those....
Which ones? GW already makes Mirkwood Armoured Infantry Spearmen, Shield/Swordmen, and Bowmen, plus Cavalry. Now, I would love FW to redo them as they'd be cheaper But there apparently are newer Mirkwood Armoured Cavalry models coming out with shields, so there's that.
I think we'd be extremely lucky to get new releases for LOTR era armies like High Elves, though we might see old OOP models coming back. We're only guaranteed to get Hobbit era releases as they plug the gaps in the Hobbit range. (I really want an armoured Azog).
We'll probably get new profiles for High Elves, but I doubt we'll get new models.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I think we'd be extremely lucky to get new releases for LOTR era armies like High Elves, though we might see old OOP models coming back. We're only guaranteed to get Hobbit era releases as they plug the gaps in the Hobbit range. (I really want an armoured Azog).
We'll probably get new profiles for High Elves, but I doubt we'll get new models.
Hm, I'd doubt there would be no new releases for LoTR if I'm honest. Hobbit is too small to support it for long. We've had the complete lists in the new supplement and we're not really missing that much. Forgive me if I miss anything, I don't have the book in front of me. But for good it is: Iron hills captain, goat riders, chariot, maybe a conversion kit for mattocks and crossbowmen? For evil it is the ogre (already seen), troll and variations (I can imagine being one kit) armoured azog, war bats and the signal tower maybe?
Actually if your being technical it was lotr that nearly tanked the company when the bubble burst. This then lead directly to the dark lord Kirby's regin for a decade reulting in the proper games getting so gacky while GW had to persist in producing lotr stuff even when sales had gone off a cliff.
Still does not excuse anyone being a douch, but bear in mind that people are still waiting on 40k/30k stuff FW previewed for release 3 years ago. So 3 frankly ugly sculpts appearing out of nowhere may raise tensions (to be fair most of the issues with hobits sculpts was the poor art design from the movies.
They got rich and prosperous off the LOTR bubble. It was their complacency in not adequately preparing for the end of that bubble that nearly killed them.
The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies™ Grand Tournament 2017
25th – 26th February 2017
Warhammer World, Nottingham
Tickets on Sale: 19th December
Our journey into Middle-earth™ continues in 2017 which sees the triumphant and long-awaited return of the Grand Tournament.
With competitive (yet friendly) gaming at it’s heart, this will be a fresh change of pace to our regular events, where a canny mix of army selection, generalship and downright sneak tactics will be the order of the day if you hope to raise the trophy above your head and claim the title of Champion of Middle-earth 2017.
Event Essentials
Date: 25th – 26th February 2017publication1
Tickets on Sale: Monday 19th December
Number of Games: 6
Army Size: Each player will need each of the following:
1 x fully painted and based army of no more than 600 points of Good models
1 x fully painted and based army of no more than 600 points of Evil models
Army Selection: Use the “Choosing An Army” guide on page 100 of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey™ rules manual. See “Mustering your Forces”
section later.
Army List: You will need to hand in printed versions of both of your army lists when you register at the event. Your armies cannot change throughout the
weekend.
Additional: All models in your collection must be comprised entirely of Citadel and Forge World miniatures and be fully assembled, painted and based. Each model must fully represent what you have presented on your army list, including armour, weapon options, mounts, banners etc.
Scenarios in Use: New scenarios (available to download above in a separate document)
Table Size: 4’x4’
Food: Included in the ticket price is a freshly cooked lunch in our restaurant on both days. All dietary requirements catered for, and there will be a varied menu on offer. Attendees from the Shire may be glad to hear that Bugman’s Bar can provide second breakfast, elevenses, afternoon tea or supper upon request, at very reasonable prices.
more info -- note the downloads -- at the link.
Middle-earth Q&A
On Saturday evening, relax with a drink (they come in pints!) in Bugman’s Bar and
listen as Adam Troke and Jay Clare (right) from the Middle-earth team answer
your questions about the future of the Strategy Battle Game. If there is anything
you want to know about the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game, now is the time
to ask!
Did the Town-house comeback in stock and then sell out again? I had email-notification set but didn't get any mail, was very surprised to hear people on an other forum managed to order a few days ago.
Ohman wrote: Did the Town-house comeback in stock and then sell out again? I had email-notification set but didn't get any mail, was very surprised to hear people on an other forum managed to order a few days ago.
I guess that is what happens when you don't check the site ever day every few hours.
Ohman wrote: Did the Town-house comeback in stock and then sell out again? I had email-notification set but didn't get any mail, was very surprised to hear people on an other forum managed to order a few days ago.
I'm waiting for an email still in the US. I wonder how different is is per country.
Yeah, I was hoping to pick up that book along with one of the lake houses. I only need on of them and the book takes me over the threshold for free shipping. Without I pay 25% shipping on the house, and I can't really justify that.
Beautiful models, it's a shame I just can't shake out how terrible the films were.
I check in on this thread for news on a 'One Book to Rule Them All' update for the original SBG, is this still a potential thing to come later in the year?
Freytag93 wrote: Loving the support that this game is getting again. Can't wait for them to move back to the original trilogy!
Why is that? How come you can't get excited for The Hobbit and need Lord of the Rings? Just curious to know if I am alone on how I feel. Is it because the Lord of the Rings era was so great back then, filled with so much excitement and joy reading articles, painting minis and playing the game you want it back and The Hobbit doesn't do it for you?
or me, The Hobbit leaves such a foul stench in my mouth I can't get excited for anything for The Hobbit because how awesome Lord of the Rings was. I am worried once the Lord of the Rings does come back around it will still have The Hobbit stench that I am going to loose total interest now. While the stuff coming out for The Hobbit is beautiful the excitement I had once for Lord of the Rings is just no there with The Hobbit.
I guess what I mean is Lord of the Rings was lots of minis for a great price. The Hobbit took those great minis, cut the content in half with only a third price reduction so therefore a price increase for half the content. Then we talk about points. How is it GW keeps dropping the ball when it comes to points? Since there was no points in the mini rule book there was no way in hell I was going to pay another $100 for the big rule book just to have points. That is when I quit Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit. My one and only purchase for The Hobbit was the Limited edition starter set. Then when The Hobbit came out ALL support dropped for the game. Prices just increased even more. Now GW has changed or supposedly changed but I see no support for The Hobbit/Lord of the Rings at all. No mention in the "new" White Dwarfs so it's still not really being supported right now.
I guess I am expecting or really hoping the flavour or the love or Lord of the Rings will some how come back but still seeing high prices to low content ratio, I think I am going to be extremely disappointed once Lord of the Rings does come out.
Short of acquiring new licences for things like the Silmarillion or Children of Hurin, all the LOTR range truly needs is updated and rebalanced profiles across the board, and the return of as many old OOP miniatures as possible. The total range (including OOP minis) is pretty much a complete and comprehensive range covering the films and books very well.
Eiríkr wrote: Beautiful models, it's a shame I just can't shake out how terrible the films were.
I check in on this thread for news on a 'One Book to Rule Them All' update for the original SBG, is this still a potential thing to come later in the year?
Far as ive read, yea. Later this year the books for the pre hobbit movies will be released again with updates. that's what im looking forward to. Lots of Isenguard and LAst alliance minis
or me, The Hobbit leaves such a foul stench in my mouth I can't get excited for anything for The Hobbit because how awesome Lord of the Rings was. I am worried once the Lord of the Rings does come back around it will still have The Hobbit stench that I am going to loose total interest now. While the stuff coming out for The Hobbit is beautiful the excitement I had once for Lord of the Rings is just no there with The Hobbit.
I used to be that way, but I learned to divorce the sub-par Hobbit films from their beautiful designs. The designs are brilliant and the models are fantastic, so it sucked me in that way. I have large Lake-Town Guard, Lake-Town Militia, Mirkwood, Dale, Erebor, and a HUGE Gundabad army.
or me, The Hobbit leaves such a foul stench in my mouth I can't get excited for anything for The Hobbit because how awesome Lord of the Rings was. I am worried once the Lord of the Rings does come back around it will still have The Hobbit stench that I am going to loose total interest now. While the stuff coming out for The Hobbit is beautiful the excitement I had once for Lord of the Rings is just no there with The Hobbit.
I used to be that way, but I learned to divorce the sub-par Hobbit films from their beautiful designs. The designs are brilliant and the models are fantastic, so it sucked me in that way. I have large Lake-Town Guard, Lake-Town Militia, Mirkwood, Dale, Erebor, and a HUGE Gundabad army.
Ironically enough, I like the movies a lot. It's the only reason why I came back to the GW website to see what has changed only to see everything is the same or even more expensive sadly.
For me, I live in Canada and I don't do the mail order thing, so if I can't buy it at my friendly local gaming store, then I don't buy the miniatures. I was really hoping for a price reduction to get started back in. Normally I wouldn't complain about money anymore, but I lost my job, so it's hard trying to restart something just with my wifes salary at the moment. I was ready to give up on Age of Sigmar and 40K and other games for Lord of the Rings. thing is, seeing it is still The Hobbit it's very hard to get into. AoS is much cheaper to start and get into now.
Too bad we don't have those great "starter boxes" or "bundle boxes" with great savings in them to start Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit.
Davor wrote: Ironically enough, I like the movies a lot. It's the only reason why I came back to the GW website to see what has changed only to see everything is the same or even more expensive sadly.
For me, I live in Canada and I don't do the mail order thing, so if I can't buy it at my friendly local gaming store, then I don't buy the miniatures. I was really hoping for a price reduction to get started back in. Normally I wouldn't complain about money anymore, but I lost my job, so it's hard trying to restart something just with my wifes salary at the moment. I was ready to give up on Age of Sigmar and 40K and other games for Lord of the Rings. thing is, seeing it is still The Hobbit it's very hard to get into. AoS is much cheaper to start and get into now.
Too bad we don't have those great "starter boxes" or "bundle boxes" with great savings in them to start Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit.
Well to be fair "it is still The Hobbit" because the Hobbit rulebook is the most current rulebook. Technically the system is Strategy Battle Game and The Hobbit Strategy Battle Game is the most recent incarnation of the rules (ver 5, if you will). However, everything is getting rolled into the single umbrella of Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game this year, with a generic Middle Earth rulebook with the updated (ver 6) rules. So I'd say snag a cheap rulebook off ebay for the time being and wait til the new ME-SBG drops this year.
Also you don't have to use Hobbit models. And plenty of used models on ebay. And check with your FLGS to see if they'll let you put up a notice for "buying old LOTR armies!". A lot of gamers have them cheap in their closet collecting dust. If your FLGS frowns on you buying from other gamers in the FLGS, offer to have you pay the FLGS the money the person was asking for their army, and they issue store credit to the person selling the army. A lot of game stores do that.
LOTR is still very cheap, considering most armies consist of maybe 30 models. Gondor for example, you can get playing with as little as the Commanders box and a box of Warriors of Minas Tirith or two. Assuming your FLGS has a GW account, they can order anything on the website.
Sadly my Friendly Local Gaming Store doesn't carry much but will order anything I need but with no discount but I do have a gaming place. Thing is nobody plays Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit. Also now with a lot of new product being Forge World, I don't think he can order it now. You do make some great points though Judgedoug, I guess this would all be a moot point if I people actually played.
I tried to get our small gaming group interested but have no takers. Before they balked at Age of Sigmar so but now with the Generals Handbook out, people are interested and a few games have been made. I guess the problem for The Hobbit is, the cost getting started is a huge factor. Hopefully the Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game will have a cheaper getting started cost and have a few of those great "starter" boxes.
To be fair, you could easily start up LotR for the price of a 40k or AoS Start Collecting set. Leaving aside the FW stuff, the £50 for an SC set could easily get you a commander set (not necessarily the box sets, but most forces still have hero blisters of some sort around) and a couple of plastic boxes, which represents a much larger portion of a 'full' army than an SC set would for the other games.
For example, a foot-and-mounted pack of Rohan Captains, a box of Warriors of Rohan and a box of Riders of Rohan comes in at around the price of an SC, as would Gorbag and Shagrat, a pack of Morannon Orcs and 2 sets of Mordor Uruks. Both perfectly adequate forces to get started with. There's not the discount you'd get with an SC set, but the stuff is cheaper in the first place.
I agree the Hobbit stuff isn't as cheap to pick up, but the LotR portion of the range is still a significant majority of it, and the startup cost for that remains very reasonable.
As for the new FW minis... wow! These sculpts are so much more movie-accurate than most of the Hobbit stuff, very nearly as good as the Perry LotR sculpts. Top stuff.
Davor wrote: Sadly my Friendly Local Gaming Store doesn't carry much but will order anything I need but with no discount but I do have a gaming place. Thing is nobody plays Lord of the Rings or The Hobbit. Also now with a lot of new product being Forge World, I don't think he can order it now. You do make some great points though Judgedoug, I guess this would all be a moot point if I people actually played.
I tried to get our small gaming group interested but have no takers. Before they balked at Age of Sigmar so but now with the Generals Handbook out, people are interested and a few games have been made. I guess the problem for The Hobbit is, the cost getting started is a huge factor. Hopefully the Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game will have a cheaper getting started cost and have a few of those great "starter" boxes.
Trying the rules with AoS models first might be helpful. I find the ruleset far superior to GW's other offerings.
I agree, the Lord of the Rings are the best ruleset that GW ever put out. I guess The Hobbit is the same since not much has changed except for how an army if built. Other than that I think most of the rules are still the same. Far superior rule set. Surprised how many people don't want to use them.
Davor wrote: I agree, the Lord of the Rings are the best ruleset that GW ever put out. I guess The Hobbit is the same since not much has changed except for how an army if built. Other than that I think most of the rules are still the same. Far superior rule set. Surprised how many people don't want to use them.
Same army building rules using warbands. The main differences between 4th edition (big blue LOTR book) and 5th (Hobbit book) are an upgrade to monsters, new special strikes, and a debuff of shooting. Oh, and excellent updates to Might usage.
The main issue I have with the Hobbit is not so much the films but the godawful creature designs and the art design oveall is inferior to lotor.
Hobbit creature designs seems to have all started with lumps of unformed clay and not progressed much further. The goblins are god awful and the ogres are a massive step backwards as well.
As such GW are making perfect copies of some of the worst designs I have ever seen. It is like a full range of Pumbagores I feel like scrubing my eyes whenever I see Hobbit minatures.
I cannot be the only one as there still selling ltd edition starters from about 5 years ago.
Starter set is Nice but quite useless for "real gaming". Quite expensive - and You get lot of dwarf Heroes rarely used, not very usable scenery... al least a lot of goblin and goblin King IF you use goblin army. At least you get an useful handbook - easy to transport.
In sum it is great for hobby but not so good for gaming and that'she why I think it sold badly.
But - Ogres apart - creatures design is very good for me.
They should start doing Start Collecting boxes with discounts like 40K and Age of Sigmar. Command blister + one pack of Infantry + a pack of cavalry for..£50- £60?
e.g.
Minis Tirith. £60
2 boxes of 12 warriors
1 box of 6 Knights.
1 blister of MT Commanders.
The Command blister is effectively discounted by 50%, £12 off.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: They should start doing Start Collecting boxes with discounts like 40K and Age of Sigmar. Command blister + one pack of Infantry + a pack of cavalry for..£50- £60?
e.g.
Minis Tirith. £60
2 boxes of 12 warriors
1 box of 6 Knights.
1 blister of MT Commanders.
The Command blister is effectively discounted by 50%, £12 off.
Throw in a faction book as well, to make it a one stop for an army start. Never understood why they don't do that.
SeanDrake wrote: The main issue I have with the Hobbit is not so much the films but the godawful creature designs and the art design oveall is inferior to lotor.
Hobbit creature designs seems to have all started with lumps of unformed clay and not progressed much further. The goblins are god awful and the ogres are a massive step backwards as well.
As such GW are making perfect copies of some of the worst designs I have ever seen. It is like a full range of Pumbagores I feel like scrubing my eyes whenever I see Hobbit minatures.
I disagree, Iron Hills Dwarves are my fav dwarf designs from anything, ever, and Gundabad & Dol Guldur orcs are fantastic, Mirkwood Elves (infantry and palace guard) are also my favorite design of Elves, ever. And the Dale/Esgaroth infantry are some of the best "human faction" designs.
But I suppose that's why I've spend at least a thousand bucks on Hobbit minis, so I'm more than making up for your lack of taste
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: They should start doing Start Collecting boxes with discounts like 40K and Age of Sigmar. Command blister + one pack of Infantry + a pack of cavalry for..£50- £60?
e.g.
Minis Tirith. £60
2 boxes of 12 warriors
1 box of 6 Knights.
1 blister of MT Commanders.
The Command blister is effectively discounted by 50%, £12 off.
lord marcus wrote: Have the Hobbit series dwarves with spears and shields come out yet?
Yes, all that is available on the forgeworld website. Only thing yet to be released are the goat riders
And Crossbowmen, due in February.
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Johanxp wrote: Starter set is Nice but quite useless for "real gaming".
Oddly enough, there's a huge amount of SBG players that play SBG for scenarios. SBG was written and has always been primarily for scenario play - the points systems and warbands systems were tacked on, and competitive / points-match play has always been a secondary consideration for the system. The LOTR journeybooks are fantastic, allowing you to play through all the films as well as scenarios from the books, and the Hobbit starter plus There and Back Again gives you 20-something scenarios to play through the Hobbit films.
But that pre-dates the "Start Collecting" initiative that they started with 40K and Age of Sigmar. Discounted army boxes/bundles have proved to be very popular for those games, so it boggles my mind that they won't do the same with the SBG.
I imagine it's something to do with not wanting to mix Finecast and plastic in a box (it happens, but rarely and not recently). LotR doesn't have any plastic heroes, so it wouldn't really be the 'start' of anything. I think all the SC sets are playable out of the box without any conversion needed.
Paradigm wrote: I imagine it's something to do with not wanting to mix Finecast and plastic in a box (it happens, but rarely and not recently). LotR doesn't have any plastic heroes, so it wouldn't really be the 'start' of anything. I think all the SC sets are playable out of the box without any conversion needed.
It does actually.
LOTR has the plastic Fellowship from the Mines of Moria box. And theres at least Legolas and Tauriel for The Hobbit.
Previously out of production and selling for upwards of $1000, it's now available for a much more reasonable £255 (~$320)
It is really nice, I still remember WD article on building the while Weathertop board. That said from a gaming perspective I'll probably just grab Dragons Don't Share from Reaper. ~$70 And I'll have a leftover dragon and adventuring party. Not as accurate to the films but more than adequate.
Previously out of production and selling for upwards of $1000, it's now available for a much more reasonable £255 (~$320)
It is really nice, I still remember WD article on building the while Weathertop board. That said from a gaming perspective I'll probably just grab Dragons Don't Share from Reaper. ~$70 And I'll have a leftover dragon and adventuring party. Not as accurate to the films but more than adequate.
And to be fair, the films aren't exactly accurate to the books!
It is really nice, I still remember WD article on building the while Weathertop board. That said from a gaming perspective I'll probably just grab Dragons Don't Share from Reaper. ~$70 And I'll have a leftover dragon and adventuring party. Not as accurate to the films but more than adequate.
Sure, the official kit is for people who want that specific kit that is accurate to the films without having to spend the effort doing it themselves. It definitely looks fantastic and I'm going to attempt to get it myself at some point in the next few months. I have the Ziterdes version which is nice but the FW just blows it out of the water.
From Bilbo Braggings on Twitter. The stuff forgeworld has been putting out for this game recently has been very impressive. If only it wasn't so expensive.
Gotta say I LOVE the LOTR/Hobbit trolls. Particularly the armoured guys. So much awesome . Thranduil is pretty great too. Though, I don't remember him doing much on his moose in the films. Other than being a douche, and leaving the dwarfs to die!
Thranduil rode around on the elk pretty much the whole time in Battle of Five Armies and murdered a pile of orcs while riding it. At least in the Extended Edition. I haven't seen the Theatrical cut.
judgedoug wrote: Thranduil rode around on the elk pretty much the whole time in Battle of Five Armies and murdered a pile of orcs while riding it. At least in the Extended Edition. I haven't seen the Theatrical cut.
I wasn't impressed with the figure at first glance, but this closer look at Thranduil himself does look really nice. Its too bad the elk mount isn't as good as the rider.
I love the other new stuff, the two trolls and the new Iron Hills Dwarf command team and mattock dwarfs are beautiful!
judgedoug wrote: Thranduil rode around on the elk pretty much the whole time in Battle of Five Armies and murdered a pile of orcs while riding it. At least in the Extended Edition. I haven't seen the Theatrical cut.
I wasn't impressed with the figure at first glance, but this closer look at Thranduil himself does look really nice. Its too bad the elk mount isn't as good as the rider.
I love the other new stuff, the two trolls and the new Iron Hills Dwarf command team and mattock dwarfs are beautiful!
Dunno man I love him. Can't wait to add him to my Thrandy on foot and on horse. And sigh, gonna have to get those trolls for my Gundabad army. Dammit
Dunno man I love him. Can't wait to add him to my Thrandy on foot and on horse. And sigh, gonna have to get those trolls for my Gundabad army. Dammit
I feel your pain! I'm one of those insane people who have to buy everything to do with LOTR. My collection currently has probably 95% of the old LOTR line, and 75% of the Hobbit stuff and I'm still buying. If only it was all painted!
Dunno man I love him. Can't wait to add him to my Thrandy on foot and on horse. And sigh, gonna have to get those trolls for my Gundabad army. Dammit
I feel your pain! I'm one of those insane people who have to buy everything to do with LOTR. My collection currently has probably 95% of the old LOTR line, and 75% of the Hobbit stuff and I'm still buying. If only it was all painted!
Dunno man I love him. Can't wait to add him to my Thrandy on foot and on horse. And sigh, gonna have to get those trolls for my Gundabad army. Dammit
I feel your pain! I'm one of those insane people who have to buy everything to do with LOTR. My collection currently has probably 95% of the old LOTR line, and 75% of the Hobbit stuff and I'm still buying. If only it was all painted!
Personally I just wish anyone was still playing
I admit I collect more than I play these days, but if I bring two matching forces to my FLGS or set up a scenario, I can usually find someone willing to play.
Ask around in the Great British Hobbit League. There are quite a few members from Europe and Scandinavia who visit the UK to take part in GBHL tournaments. I'm sure they can help put you in touch with gaming groupers closer to home for you.
I was just on the FW website and noticed they have a pre-order deal for these new dwarf figures that has me puzzled. They are offering 9 mattock dwarfs, plus one banner bearing plus one hero for £74. Right next to it in the online store, they have a package of 12 spear dwarfs with shield, plus one banner bearer plus one hero for £60.
Why do the mattock dwarfs cost more money for fewer figures?
All the latest rules are still current. The first Hobbit releases made some changes to the core rules, essentially a new 'edition' of the game, but nothing that invalidates the last lot of sourcebooks. So as long as you have the Fallen Realms and Free Peoples and Kingdoms of Men sourcebooks you're good to go.
mdauben wrote: I was just on the FW website and noticed they have a pre-order deal for these new dwarf figures that has me puzzled. They are offering 9 mattock dwarfs, plus one banner bearing plus one hero for £74. Right next to it in the online store, they have a package of 12 spear dwarfs with shield, plus one banner bearer plus one hero for £60.
Why do the mattock dwarfs cost more money for fewer figures?
They made a combo set of 12 spear dwarves for £40. The mattock dwarves have not had a combo deal made for them (yet?)
At the forefront of Dain Ironfoot’s army ride the Iron Hills Chariots. Intent on nothing less than the total destruction of their foes, they smash through shieldwalls and cleave apart those unfortunate enough to find themselves in the path of their bladed wheels.
That Thrandy might be one of the finest LotR minis ever done. Easily the best Hobbit sculpt, the likeness is actually pretty good and the pose is spot-on. Stunning model.
Price guess? I'm thinking it will at least push £60. But then I thought Thranduil would have been the same due to the scenic base, but I was pleasantly surprised.
The sculpting is well executed. Its the concept I object to (and I know its from the movie, that does not make it a good idea).
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judgedoug wrote: mdauben is just complaining about the aesthetic. He dislikes the Iron Hills Dwarves in Bo5A.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I love the Iron Hills dwarf models and already own some. Its the ridiculous chariot I dislike and will not be buying.
judgedoug wrote: mdauben is just complaining about the aesthetic. He dislikes the Iron Hills Dwarves in Bo5A.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I love the Iron Hills dwarf models and already own some. Its the ridiculous chariot I dislike and will not be buying.
Ever since The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey™ rules manual was released way back in 2012, fans of the Strategy Battle Game have been asking the same question – “When will the alternative Thorin’s Company models come out?”
Eagle-eyed readers will have spotted these models dotted around the photographs in the main rules manual, most notably in the photo on page 128, yet the models shown seemed destined to never see the light of day… until now!
The Middle-earth™ team is proud to announce that the alternative Thorin’s Company models are finally going to be made available for the first time at this year’s Warhammer Fest on Saturday 27th – Sunday 28th May 2017.
These new models will be available as four different sets: The Heirs of Erebor, The King’s Companions, The Three Brothers and The Cousins.
The Heirs of Erebor includes the rightful King Under the Mountain, Thorin Oakenshield™, in his fur-lined coat and wielding Orcrist aloft. This set also includes the young nephews of the king, Kili and Fili.
The King’s Companions set consists of Balin, Dwalin, Oin and Gloin; the Dwarves of Erebor who, like Thorin, are all descendants of the line of Durin. These Dwarves are very close to Thorin, particularly Balin and Dwalin, who fought alongside their king both during the coming of Smaug™ and the battles of the Dimrill Dale.
When Thorin journeyed to the Blue Mountains to seek a company of Dwarves, the three brothers Ori, Nori and Dori joined him in his quest, and over their adventure to Erebor, these brothers proved themselves to be brave and worthy companions of the king.
Bifur, Bofur, Bombur; three cousins that came from the Blue Mountains to join Thorin’s Company in order to earn their fortune. Each of these Dwarves possessed a jolly nature yet when called upon to fight, did so with as much skill as the rest of the company.
Following Warhammer Fest, these models will be sold in the Warhammer World store at Games Workshop’s HQ in Nottingham, as well as at events across the globe where Forge World is in attendance.
You, the fans of The Hobbit™: Strategy Battle Game, asked for these models to be made available and we have listened. So, if you want to be amongst the first to own these stunning models, make sure that you get yourself to Warhammer Fest to pick them up!
Paradigm wrote: Aha, I was wondering if those guys were ever going to show up. If I recall from the rulebook there were some pretty nifty sculpts in there.
Nice sculpts and I know some people have been waiting for them. Personally, I already have the original plastic Thorin's company from the Escape box set and the armored finecast Thorin's company from the last movie. I really don't need another set.
Paradigm wrote: Aha, I was wondering if those guys were ever going to show up. If I recall from the rulebook there were some pretty nifty sculpts in there.
Nice sculpts and I know some people have been waiting for them. Personally, I already have the original plastic Thorin's company from the Escape box set and the armored finecast Thorin's company from the last movie. I really don't need another set.
It's for the 'gotta catch 'em all' types like myself who may have 24 poses of Aragorn but I'm still missing the final one from the Death of Gothmog set so it keeps me up at night.
judgedoug wrote: It's for the 'gotta catch 'em all' types like myself who may have 24 poses of Aragorn but I'm still missing the final one from the Death of Gothmog set so it keeps me up at night.
Yeah, I'm something of a completest myself, but I still draw the line somewhere. I've got almost every unit and every character in the game (both LOTR and Hobbit) but I just can't find it in me to hunt down every last alternate pose for every last character.
Aragorn in his ranger gear and Aragorn in his King of Gondor armor? I want both. Aragorn in ranger gear with sword, and Aragorn in ranger gear with sword and knife, and Aragorn in ranger gear with sword and torch, and Aragorn in ranger gear with sword and bow, and Aragorn in ranger gear with sword and ham sandwich, not so much!
RazorEdge wrote: When FW/SG reboot LotR & Hobbit as the Middle-Earth SBG, do you think they make it "three ways to play" like AoS & 40k?
It basically already is. Play narrative scenarios from the films and books, or play competitive with Warbands, or play narrative /campaign with Battle Companies (new version coming soon!)
So I'm late to the party... is this game getting some sort of reboot or something? Will GW be putting out new models for it?
I've been trying to figure out which miniatures to invest in. I love the quality of GW, but I'm still lamenting the loss of Warhammer Fantasy, I just can't get into Age of Sigmar, and I've never cared for 40k.
If I didn't have to pay double for old miniatures I'd jump on board with this game in a heartbeat.
Enkmar wrote: So I'm late to the party... is this game getting some sort of reboot or something? Will GW be putting out new models for it?
I've been trying to figure out which miniatures to invest in. I love the quality of GW, but I'm still lamenting the loss of Warhammer Fantasy, I just can't get into Age of Sigmar, and I've never cared for 40k.
If I didn't have to pay double for old miniatures I'd jump on board with this game in a heartbeat.
Thanks for the link! I'm reading that as a rulebook and some dwarves, which is cool and better than nothing. Will they continue to release stuff, like a new starter box maybe? Or is this smaller scale?
The game is now with Forge World and getting regular releases. We've had a nearly full army release in the form of Iron Hills Dwarves and Gundabad has been fleshed out. We're due out some new characters for Lake Town in the next week or so and have had plastic Lake Town scenery released as well as a new supplement. Later in the year we're due out a new version of Battle Companies and the range is being rebranded into Middle Earth sbg and will be getting a new rulebook with the next project to return and focus more on the Battle at Pellenor Fields. Did I miss anything?
I feel your pain on the loss of WHFB. I tried AOS and it just didn't do it for me, not game wise and certainly not aesthetically.
The ME game is more like AOS than WHFB. It's a skirmish game. It works reasonably well with sides of about 20 to 30, any more than that and it becomes a boring slog. If you want to fight small scale skirmishes, then it's okay. I prefer other skirmish game systems (check out Saga for instance, not Middle Earth but easily adapted). If you want larger scale battles more like the old WHFB then you should look into War of the Ring. It's readily available on ebay but is no longer supported by GW if that matters to you. If you are not tied to GW systems, then there are dozens of options to look into.
Inquisitor Gideon wrote: The game is now with Forge World and getting regular releases. We've had a nearly full army release in the form of Iron Hills Dwarves and Gundabad has been fleshed out. We're due out some new characters for Lake Town in the next week or so and have had plastic Lake Town scenery released as well as a new supplement. Later in the year we're due out a new version of Battle Companies and the range is being rebranded into Middle Earth sbg and will be getting a new rulebook with the next project to return and focus more on the Battle at Pellenor Fields. Did I miss anything?
They didn't said the Battle of the Pellenor Fields will next after the Middle Earth SBG Rulebook They said they will return to Places already known from the LoTR SBG and rework them and bring complete new Stuff from Parts of the Lore which were never released in the Past of the Game.
Whoa, thanks judgedoug! The battle companies info sounds Mordheim-like, which sounds great. I hope the battle companies come with new minis. I can't afford old overpriced minis, much less the expensive Forge World stuff.
I should not have found this thread and read all the way through it. I was already thinking about looking for a wargame that could satisfy my fantasy itch without being Kings of War, Age of Sigmar, or Warhammer Fantasy. Now I'm thinking about picking up some Lord of the Rings minis and books instead of getting into 8th Edition 40K. My wife and step-daughter really like the Lord of the Rings movies, so maybe I can get them to play with me at home
Maybe now is the time to get my Haradrim, Isengard, and Rohan armies...
I had missed the comment about them returning to osgiliath and the pelennor fields. That's incredibly exciting. Have we heard anything more as to what this might entail?
I like these, but man, I'd REALLY love to see them continue to release more of the LoTR legacy kits. I still want some knights of Dol Amroth on foot.
But I'd also love to see them flesh out some of the post WoTR stuff too. Maybe a new Faramir or Gimli reflecting their elevated stations or an older Aragorn leading a campaign against the Easterlings.
godswildcard wrote: I like these, but man, I'd REALLY love to see them continue to release more of the LoTR legacy kits. I still want some knights of Dol Amroth on foot.
Sooooon... making new molds and ramping up production....
Let's hope there is a spear version of this soon so we can get rid of the godawful finecast bends and actually have some straight spears. Same for Mirkwood too.
godswildcard wrote: I like these, but man, I'd REALLY love to see them continue to release more of the LoTR legacy kits. I still want some knights of Dol Amroth on foot.
I'm conflicted! Having tracked down and paid a premium price for many of the old metal figures, I get annoyed then they rerelease them (I bought the hard-to-find Gandalf the Grey on horseback litteraly weeks before they rereleased it for half the price I paid.
On the other hand, for the benefit of redeveloping the game community, I welcome ever rerelease.
But I'd also love to see them flesh out some of the post WoTR stuff too. Maybe a new Faramir or Gimli reflecting their elevated stations or an older Aragorn leading a campaign against the Easterlings.
Those do sound fun, but unlikely until and unless they do a post-war supplement.
Worh noting that it mentions other warbands to come. Mirkwood elves are a given, but it will be curious to see if other blisters get the same treatment. Things like Gundabad Blackshields, Black Numenoreans, High Elf spearmen etc.
Hmmmm....not sure $130 is what I'd consider reasonably priced.
My second thought:
Oh, crap, I'm in the NZ store....let me just change that...
My final thought:
$65. Feth, the last thing my wallet needs is reasonably priced Hobbit Warbands.
That is what I thought at first LMFAO. Then I said, "wait, yup, NZ prices." For $80 Canadian still pricey, but it's Forge World. I might have to see if my FLGS can order this since it's on the GW webstore and I can finally start buying Forge World minis and not worry about shipping costs now.
Hmmmm....not sure $130 is what I'd consider reasonably priced.
My second thought:
Oh, crap, I'm in the NZ store....let me just change that...
My final thought:
$65. Feth, the last thing my wallet needs is reasonably priced Hobbit Warbands.
That is what I thought at first LMFAO. Then I said, "wait, yup, NZ prices." For $80 Canadian still pricey, but it's Forge World. I might have to see if my FLGS can order this since it's on the GW webstore and I can finally start buying Forge World minis and not worry about shipping costs now.
Its not FW though. Its finecast, I think they mightve come out before FW took over, but not completely sure... mightve just been designed before that point. Generally though, pretty great. Finally getting the hobbit stuff might become a realistic thing to do... (I mean, using the models without dicounts would be pretty silly at best...)
The Expansions will be like those from arround 2006-2009, strong Focus on a Region or Plot Point..
Can someone confirm this?
Have not heard this at all, from Adam or Jay.
Only thing that has been said at this point is that Battle Companies is the first product released under the "Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game" (6th edition) umbrella. Nothing confirmed from Adam or Jay about release date for Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game rulebook.
The thrust of the MeSBG release window will focus around Osgiliath and Pelennor Fields.
They have stated that revisiting the LOTR Army Books might happen. Adam said that redoing the old LOTR Journeybooks to match the style of There And Back Again is "a good idea".
Ignispacium wrote: Do you need An Unexpected Journey or There and Back Again to play Battle Companies?
Yes. You'll need a rulebook and whichever book your warband is in. The mini rulebook is the cheapest way in. You'd only need TABA if you're running one of the warbands described within.
Middle-earth Strategy Battle GT was held this past weekend at Warhammer World and GW did a quick presentation on upcoming releases.
There will also be a much larger Middle-earth update posted and discussed on Thursday on Warhammer Community.
Bianca and Percy twin pack.
Goblin mercenary 13 model pack with captain included, head and weapon hand separate for multi posing.
New mumak with mahud warleader and tusk weapons. FW resin bits for plastic mumak.
Hobbit sheriffs and farmer maggot being re-released.
Possible made to order ("Adam (Troke) mentioned that Made to order would be a way if getting less essential, but still very cool, models out there. Like Breaking of the Fellowship set, or other alternate poses for otherwise available heroes.")
Hilda-Bianca and Percy are heroes for Lake-town. First spied nearly a year ago as unfinished works in progress, at last their release is soon to be upon us.
Goblin Mercenaries are much desired by those loyal to Gundabad and the armies of Azog the Defiler – since the inclusion of their unit entry in The Hobbit™ Motion Picture Trilogy There and Back Again, our ears have rung to the question of when they will be released. This kit, including a Captain and 12 Goblin Mercenaries, is coming soon!
We also showcased the first new release for The Lord of the Rings™ in years – The Mûmak War Leader. Including a mighty Haradrim warchief to lead the all-powerful Mûmakil into battle, this resin and plastic kit includes the War Leader (both riding on the Mûmak and on foot) along with upgrade parts for his Mûmak, such as: [pictured]
... I actually dont hate the goblin mercenaries. I mean, theyve still got the weird deformities, but they seem to mesh reasonably well with LotR goblins in spite of that... the armour looks close, the stance, proportions... Not bad.
Tyr13 wrote: ... I actually dont hate the goblin mercenaries. I mean, theyve still got the weird deformities, but they seem to mesh reasonably well with LotR goblins in spite of that... the armour looks close, the stance, proportions... Not bad.
I had this impression at first as well.. But then I started looking at each fella seperately and the cheerleader effect seemed to be prominent. They`re not as bad, as they could`ve been, but somehow Uruk-hai seem to be still as detailed (or even better detailed) as they are. Characters I like very mych on the other hand! Very good sculpts, imho. The Mumak upgrade is ok. Needs more Spike variation.
Finally, next week sees some of Middle-earth’s boldest (and smallest) heroes return – Farmer Maggot and his Hobbit Shirrifs. With the worlds of Middle-earth expanding through a steady trickle of new releases (including the recently released Nazgûl of Dol Guldur), the armies of Good might need some plucky reinforcements. We thought it’d be a great time to bring some out-of-production models back into general availability, with the Hobbit Shirriffs and Farmer Maggot. By combining these with other models, like the Hobbit Archers and Hobbit Militia, you’ll be able to field an entire army from the Shire.
...think there might be something of a power discrepancy between Nazgul and Hobbit shirrifs but new/old minis are always nice.
10 heads in set, six helmets and four helmetless. Banner and horn are extra so can build them as six with sword and shield. No official release date yet
Models are part of the upcoming release wave focusing on Osgiliath and The Battle of Pelennor Fields
Knights of Dol Amroth on foot: 6 Models with ten heads, six sets of shield/sword, as well as command variant parts (banner, champion, horn)
Guritz (Skully) and Enforcer
Note that this will be Skully's third pose! He was previously released as metal conversion bits to upgrade a normal plastic Orc in Battle Games in Middle-earth Magazine, and then got his own official model about ten years ago which was discontinued about three years ago. Spoilered his two previous incarnations:
Spoiler:
Battle Games in Middle Earth #75 with Upgrades with "Streetline"'s Guritz/Skully conversion
The official "Morannon Orc Lieutenants" blister pack featuring Guritz/Skully, now discontinued
Those are pretty damn cool. Shame we never got SKoDA in plastic like the mounted Knights, but those are nonetheless much more interesting than the old metals.
All I managed to get was the half set that was apparently a store display item. Now, if I could only get the three ringwraiths that were only sold in the box set of nine ...
no!
