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Beautiful miniatures!
So happy!
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 Siygess wrote:How versatile are the Osgiliath ruins? I was thinking of picking up the triple pack while they are in stock, but I have never really seen anyone take multiple copies and make each look different - my google image search would lead me to believe that most people only buy one set or scratch build their own.
They're fantastic. Easy to convert and are massive and impressive. I own six... or maybe seven. Plan on using them for any Gondor related ruin, including the battle at Pelargir.
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Post by: Gomezaddams
£20 - jesus.
This is what stops me from getting in to LOTR - the pricing is all over the place. Why is Theoden, an all plastic kit, £20, when Eomer is £4.40 less, and similar models £3.30 less?
Maybe its just me - I mean, if you only need a box or two and a blister then I suppose its not bad - but then... its never just a box and blister is it?
BAH!
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
It's Forge World, so i'm not entirely sure what else you would expect. Théoden is new and all in plastic and so priced as a modern mini. Eomer is a metal/plastic hybrid and nearly 20 years old, so doesn't really command the same price anymore.
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Post by: Oppl
As above. The pricing is as 'all over the place' as any other range if you ignore the distinction between who makes the models and the context behind their creation.
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Post by: Elevenses
I actually thought the prices of the hero characters by FW would be higher than they are. Given it's up to £22 for resin/metal foot/mounted character packs, some of which contain quite old sculpts (Gandalf the Grey on foot is a 17 year old one), then £20 for two on foot characters isn't too terrible.
I suppose technically the like for like comparison are the metal dual character packs though currently at £12.30. But the quality here is far superior.
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 Oppl wrote:As above. The pricing is as 'all over the place' as any other range if you are unaware of the distinction between who makes the models and the context behind their creation.
FTFY
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Post by: Oguhmek
Siygess wrote:How versatile are the Osgiliath ruins? I was thinking of picking up the triple pack while they are in stock, but I have never really seen anyone take multiple copies and make each look different - my google image search would lead me to believe that most people only buy one set or scratch build their own.
I got a triple pack a couple of years ago, and it was very easy to build it into a number of non-repeating pieces. Here, together with the bookends from the DVD special edition movies:
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Post by: judgedoug
 Gomezaddams wrote:£20 - jesus.
This is what stops me from getting in to LOTR - the pricing is all over the place. Why is Theoden, an all plastic kit, £20, when Eomer is £4.40 less, and similar models £3.30 less?
Maybe its just me - I mean, if you only need a box or two and a blister then I suppose its not bad - but then... its never just a box and blister is it?
BAH!
Probably because the plastic 2018 Theoden kit is far, far superior to the old 2002 Eomer metal figure on a plastic horse.
You need exactly the number of models as the scenarios or armies you want to play.
I find it highly suspect that New Plastic Theoden is what is stopping you from playing Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game. Automatically Appended Next Post:
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:It's Forge World, so i'm not entirely sure what else you would expect.
Elevenses wrote:I actually thought the prices of the hero characters by FW would be higher than they are.
New Plastic Theoden is not Forge World; neither are any of the items available from the Games Workshop website or other new plastic releases (Gandalf and Pippin). Only the resin models on the Forge World site are released by Forge World.
Automatically Appended Next Post:  Oguhmek wrote:I got a triple pack a couple of years ago, and it was very easy to build it into a number of non-repeating pieces. Here, together with the bookends from the DVD special edition movies
Those look fantastic! Ruins of Osgiliath is my favorite terrain kit, and your execution helps prove it 
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Join us on Warhammer Live from 4PM (GMT) for the Middle-earth Takeover, then rounding out the day with a battle between the forces of Gondor and Mordor!
Watch live for free or subscribe and catch up later on demand: twitch.tv/warhammer
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Post by: Eldarain
Most importantly they're gonna talk about Gondor at War!
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Post by: Baragash
From: https://www.facebook.com/groups/472128942815892/permalink/2503745599654206/
1) Wanted to be best supplements in terms of content and feel
2) 128 pages
3) More narrative scenarios in this book than any other book they have done
4) Campaign system that links each scenario to each other in similar style to unexpected Journey (but effects the next relevant scenario). E.g. scene 4 will change 16.
5) Roughly 32 scenarios
6) Big and small scenarios
7) From when Faramir loses Osgiliath to the Black Gate
8) Everything that is for Gondor, not just Minas Tirith
9) ‘Slew of other characters from other army lists) if the army is present in the scope then they could have something. Some may be obvious or a surprise and wont expect. ‘A certain good model I am excited for’ because people will lose their mind when they see it.
10) New Models coming out including plastics
11) Staple of supplements: “legendary Legions” – match played games – a stand alone army list that you can only take within restrictions (must take wargear x, hero y) and have ‘army bonus ++.’ Representing the snapshot in time and allow armies that cannot currently take a narrative army within the current restrictions. (e.g. Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli and Army of the Dead or the ‘Riders of Théoden’ where you cannot take Hama as he is dead at that stage but get extra benefits
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Post by: Paradigm
Well dang... and not a day after I finish painting the original metals of those three!  Might have to get those, as I was really impressed by the plastic Theoden in BoPF.
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Post by: zend
Hoping for plastic Gothmog!
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Post by: godswildcard
Ditto!
Going to have to pick up those three hunters to properly lead my army of the dead at Pelennor Fields. Oh, and pick up Gondor at War, and the matched play stuff, and...
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Post by: Blooddragon1981
Nice minis. I wonder though - will we get a new release of the rest of The Fellowship when GW decided to refresh these 3 heroes?
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Post by: Mymearan
I feel like that Legolas face paint job has a lot of meme potential.
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Post by: The Warp Forge
Love all the stuff announced.
I really like the Quick Reference sheet. Hope that's got what you can spend Might/Will/Fate on.
LOVE the Gimili Mini!
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Post by: Oppl
 Blooddragon1981 wrote:Nice minis. I wonder though - will we get a new release of the rest of The Fellowship when GW decided to refresh these 3 heroes?
As has been said by GW before, they are working through the movies (in no order) and refreshing the whole line. This may include just re-releasing old models, or it may include releasing brand new ones - such as Denethor/Gandalf/The Three Hunters etc. But they aren't doing it randomly, they are all tied to an event or specific time in the movie. In this case, its the Pelennor Fields and wider Gondor conflict first. That's why we've seen a ton of new Gondorian releases along with Gandalf and Pippin in his Gondor gear. These Three Hunters are perfect for leading the Army of the Dead charge.
I fully expect a new Eowyn with Merry, much the same as the Gandalf with Pippin set, but I can't see a completely brand new 9-man Fellowship box unless GW decide to go way back to the start. They may well do that, of course. But just understand that its all tied to whatever specific chronological event is being covered at present. Frodo and Sam I guess could work since they were at Osgiliath, Boromir would only work in so far as he would be a flashback model of his armoured self before he went to Rivendell. In any case, it wouldn't be an entire box set of the entire group.
Ultimately, we just don't know!
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Post by: Pacific
I'll be honest, of all of the older ranges from GW, has there ever been one less in need of a re-vamp?
These new ones are nice, but the old Perry sculpts are still bloody lovely. And I like that they're minimalistic, rather than heroic-Warhammer-y, it proves a nice contrast to everything GW releases elsewhere being turned up to 11.
I'm sure they could have put some new packaging on the sculpts, released them as sets or whatever alongside a new campaign, and they would have done very well.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
Sounds like that's what will be happening with quite a few of the existing models.
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Post by: BrookM
Upcoming pre-orders: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/13/next-weeks-pre-orders-underworlds-titans-and-middle-earth/
In Middle-earth, you’ll be able to play through the battle between Minas Tirith and Mordor with the new expansion, Gondor at War. This tome contains 29 narrative play scenarios, complete with a detailed campaign system. In addition, you’ll find rules for new Heroes, an in-depth look at the armies that fought in these battles, and Legendary Legions – iconic armies from the War of the Ring such as the Rangers of Ithilien or the Army of Gothmog. Using these themed forces will feel like you’re playing out a piece of Middle-earth history on the tabletop!
You’ll also be able to reinforce your Good armies with a trio of new plastic miniatures for The Three Hunters – Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli as they appeared at the Pelennor. Also available will be a set of Three Hunters dice, each with a striking symbol of the trio’s weapons replacing the six.
 
Finally, the Middle-earth General’s Accessories Pack is an essential collection of aids for all players, including a warband roster pad, a fold-out core rules sheet and a range of handy tokens and measuring devices to speed up your games.
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Post by: judgedoug
US Prices
Gondor at War $50
Three Hunters $40
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
So what's that going to work out roughly as? £30 for the book and £25 for the Three Hunters? Touch more expensive than I was expecting.
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Post by: judgedoug
Ever since the launch of the Battle of Pelennor Fields last year, Middle-earth fans have been enjoying the best, most narratively driven edition of the Strategy Battle Game to date. The good news is, that was just the start! This weekend sees the first supplement for the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game – Gondor at War – up for pre-order, so let’s take a closer look at what the book is all about…
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/16/16th-jan-gondor-at-war-part-1gw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-4/
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Part 2:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/17/17th-jan-gondor-at-war-part-2gw-homepage-post-3fw-homepage-post-4/
Interesting to see Dernhelm get a profile and nice to see some more evil characters coming. Should be some nice FW releases soon.
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Post by: Oppl
Can't wait to pick it up. 29 Narrative scenarios? That's what LOTR SBG, IMO, is best for.
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Post by: judgedoug
Oppl wrote:Can't wait to pick it up. 29 Narrative scenarios? That's what LOTR SBG, IMO, is best for.
I agree - same for 40k and AOS. The funny thing is that SBG is more evenly balanced and better at Matched Play than either of those two...
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Post by: tneva82
Army of death non unique leader? Nice. More option and now not hard coded to 16 models max with rohan on list for pelennor themed list.
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Post by: Motograter
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:So what's that going to work out roughly as? £30 for the book and £25 for the Three Hunters? Touch more expensive than I was expecting.
Finecast 3 hunters are £22 so a 3 quid increase isn't bad for plastics.
If the book is £30 that's also not badly priced. The main books are 35 a d battle companies book is 25 and gondor at war is near double the size of battle companies book
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Post by: Paradigm
£25 for the Hunters seems reasonable, given how impressive these new plastics are in person. I wasn't sold on the studio paintjobs, but having painted the new Theoden, they're definitely on par with the metals in terms of detail, with the advantages in posing and fine parts that plastic brings (no more swords as thick as they are broad... )
It'll be £20-odd after most discounters, which is about what you'd pay for 3 character minis for most other ranges (if not less), and far cheaper than you'd get anything other than the basic, common versions of these characters second hand (try finding any Aragorn other than the Helm's Deep one at a good price on Ebay...).
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Post by: Oppl
Honestly, if it wasn't for Theoden I'd be a tad unsure about the price tag but if they're anything like him they'll be a joy to build and paint. The studio paint jobs - specifically for faces - continue to disappoint though. They're not doing the best job selling what are, I'm sure, great sculpts.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Well hello there
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Post by: Kanluwen
Do we think those are more plastics?
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Post by: Oppl
Eowyn with Merry on horse - called it!
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Eówyn i'm 95% sure will be plastic with removable Merry like Gandalf and Pippin. The two orc characters i'm going to guess will be a FW double pack.
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Post by: Midnightdeathblade
Man im loving these updated models!
Prince Imrahil please???
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Post by: Mymearan
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Eówyn i'm 95% sure will be plastic with removable Merry like Gandalf and Pippin. The two orc characters i'm going to guess will be a FW double pack.
For some reason I love the phrase "removable Merry".
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Post by: CragHack
Odd decision to make Gondor at War and dice webstore exclusives.
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Post by: tneva82
At least my FLGS says it's not and they are getting it as the usual non-web store only items. Albeit GW site says it is. Error in GW site? First print sold out already so 2nd going for webstore only? Weird.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
 CragHack wrote:Odd decision to make Gondor at War and dice webstore exclusives.
It's an error. I spoke to Element Games this morning and the only things that are webstore exclusive are the commanders pack and (oddly) the dice.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Some more great looking models, one of these days I am gonna cave and start up a large Mordor army....
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Oh right, my bad. Yeah, it's just the dice and accessories pack. Still odd, considering the previous 3 sets were not. Gotta catch em all, anyway, as those are sooome lovely dice!
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Post by: tneva82
Hardly your bad when GW itself is claiming at their web site it's webstore exclusive
Wonder when Eowyn comes out? I was juuuust about to order Eowyn but then I saw this picture(nice timing) so ordered Eomer instead for 3rd hero. With box of riders as well I should have more than enough for all mounted all rohan force with 500 pts so I don't need to ally all the time with either Aragorn or army of the dead(only allies I have so far for them)
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Post by: Kanluwen
Here in the US, they haven't been getting the books for the shops. The last one was Direct Only but wasn't billed as such initially.
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Post by: judgedoug
None of the books have been direct only.
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Post by: stormboy
My local area GWs are not carrying any of the specialist games/subgames. No Necro or Titanicus or Middle Earth.
Need to go to FLGS that carries them (of which there aren't many that carry full lines).
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Post by: Kanluwen
The Hobbit armies book was. Independents could order it, but it was not available in shops.
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Post by: tneva82
FLGS here has it as standard item.
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Post by: judgedoug
 Kanluwen wrote:
The Hobbit armies book was. Independents could order it, but it was not available in shops.
You said it is Direct Only. It is not.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 judgedoug wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
The Hobbit armies book was. Independents could order it, but it was not available in shops.
You said it is Direct Only. It is not.
If you say so.
That's not been my experience.
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Post by: Manchu
Kanluwen, when you say “shops” do you only mean WH Stores?
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Post by: tneva82
Several people here are showing you evidence it is not. GAMES WORKSHOP says it is not web store exclusive. You just need to go their web page and notice how there's no red circle with white arrow there.
It is not direct only.
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Post by: Kanluwen
 Manchu wrote:Kanluwen, when you say “shops” do you only mean WH Stores?
Was it really that hard to figure it out given that I literally qualified the statement with "INDEPENDENTS COULD ORDER IT"?
I went to buy it the day of release. My local GW did not receive any copies.
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Post by: Manchu
I’m just trying to help clarify — because your local GW not getting copies has nothing to do with the product being direct only or not.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Manchu wrote:I’m just trying to help clarify — because your local GW not getting copies has nothing to do with the product being direct only or not.
It does when the quantifier is that GW shops were telling people it was an item that you had to order and wasn't going to be stocked on shelves. Saying "your local GW not getting copies has nothing to do with the product being direct only or not" is ridiculous, as GW shops tended to get stocked with any/all items when they're new. Necromunda stuff was getting released then going to Direct after.
Additional fun fact: did you know that the holiday Battleforces that just released were Direct Order items? They weren't marked as such. Independents could order with no real issues.
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Post by: tneva82
You just contradicted yourself...If stores can order them for stock items they are not direct only item
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Post by: Eldarain
Thought something interesting had developed. Removed - BrookM
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Post by: Manchu
Again, Direct Only doesn’t refer to what is/is not stocked on WH Store shelves in the regular course of business. There are items GW does not mark Direct Only that might not be regularly stocked in WH Stores. The actual issue is under what terms those items are available to retailers.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Manchu wrote:Again, Direct Only doesn’t refer to what is/is not stocked on WH Store shelves in the regular course of business. There are items GW does not mark Direct Only that might not be regularly stocked in WH Stores. The actual issue is under what terms those items are available to retailers.
Just so we're clear:
What does ‘Webstore Exclusive’ mean?
Products marked as Webstore Exclusive are only available to order from www.games-workshop.com. This means you can order direct from the webstore, or using the Order Points in all Games Workshop and Warhammer stores.
The independent retailers listed in the GW Store Finder also have access to these products through the Games Workshop Webstore.
So please feel free to casually dismiss my experiences, but remember that items that aren't stocked in GW shops are able to be ordered by Independents with potentially no issues. It's a common misconception that "Direct Only" means that independents can't order them.
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Post by: Manchu
Just so we’re clear:
Nobody here claims Direct Only items cannot be ordered by retailers. But those items are available to retailers under different terms than other items. Retailers are able to offer less or no discount on Direct Only items, as opposed to others.
That’s why it’s so important that this new M-E stuff is actually NOT Direct Only, whether or not your local WH Store stocks it, because the fact that it is available at 15% off from retailers is a part of the rejuvenation of this game.
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Post by: judgedoug
Warhammer Store stock levels are controlled by their regional manager about what product they want to focus on. This is why you will not see many retail/trade items, and why you even see Direct Only items in Warhammer stores, most notably bags of bases.
Manchu is correct. the "Direct Only" tag just means that the product must be ordered from the website instead of normal distribution channels. As a retailer, you contact your rep and/or fill out an order form for trade items, and receive a massive discount. Anything Direct must be ordered through the website with their retailer login information at a slightly smaller discount, and ships separately from outside of the normal distribution chain.
Armies of the Hobbit was not Direct Only.
Regardless of everything else, Armies of the Hobbit did in fact appear in many official Warhammer stores to be placed alongside the rulebook and Armies of Lord of the Rings in their Middle-earth FSDU.
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Post by: AndrewGPaul
judgedoug wrote:Warhammer Store stock levels are controlled by their regional manager about what product they want to focus on. This is why you will not see many retail/trade items, and why you even see Direct Only items in Warhammer stores, most notably bags of bases.
Sometimes those bags of bases are due to returns; I ordered a load of oval bases in to my local Warhammer shop to rebase some cavalry, and it turned out I ordered the wrong size. The packs I returned ended up in that shop's paint & tools section. I don't know if this is the case with miniatures too. In any case, it'll be a small proportion.
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Post by: judgedoug
 AndrewGPaul wrote: judgedoug wrote:Warhammer Store stock levels are controlled by their regional manager about what product they want to focus on. This is why you will not see many retail/trade items, and why you even see Direct Only items in Warhammer stores, most notably bags of bases.
Sometimes those bags of bases are due to returns; I ordered a load of oval bases in to my local Warhammer shop to rebase some cavalry, and it turned out I ordered the wrong size. The packs I returned ended up in that shop's paint & tools section. I don't know if this is the case with miniatures too. In any case, it'll be a small proportion.
I'd say the chance of a white box item being on a Warhammer store shelf approaches zero. But specifically bases have been a staple of stores-carrying-Direct-only for a couple years since AOS.
Anyways, we're way off topic at this point!
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Full shots of the new models:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/24/24th-jan-middle-earth-blog-new-gondor-at-war-miniaturesfw-homepage-post-2/
Called it on plastic Eówyn and Merry Whoever is painting these though really needs to realize that golden blonde doesn't mean pure yellow.
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Post by: Midnightdeathblade
Very nice kit. Im loving these new characters
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Post by: Blooddragon1981
Boy how I love Eowyn in the LoTR movie! The model itself maybe isn't too great but not the worst either.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Oh neat, nicely spotted. But of course the Men-at-Arms are still resin. sigh...time to get the brass rod out.
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Post by: ferret61
Floi too, he's in metal but on his own, so no classic balin
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Post by: CptJake
When does the Eowyn and Merry pack hit the web store?
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
The article said in the "coming months". So could be anytime between now and March is my guess.
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Post by: Midnightdeathblade
All we need now is the Blackroot Vale Archer command!
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Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon
I remember the fellow on the right. Was the guy on the left in the movie too?
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Post by: Oppl
Was the right hand guy the one who was at the head of the Orc group at Cirith Ungol that piles into the Uruks?
I can't place the Morannon. Nice to get more independent characters. Honestly, they just look like regular Orcs, but then the Jackson LOTR world was always far more grounded than traditional fantasy so it isn't like the Orc leaders are gigantic hulks in truly stand-out armour anyway. Nice additions for the baddies.
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Post by: CptJake
I don't see those on the GQ web store.
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Post by: rybackstun
The Orc on the left is with the orcs that get merked by the Army of the Dead when they hit the Battle of Pelennor Fields.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
 Automatically Appended Next Post: Ride to ruin and the world's ending!
Pre-order Elfhelm, Captain of Rohan, foot & mounted today: http://bit.ly/2EhiypG
Find the rules for this awesome new hero in Gondor at War: http://bit.ly/2EmIKzh
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Post by: Eiríkr
Ace. They're doing quite alright with the Middle-Earth range! Lovely.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
The armour's a bit standout compared to the rest of the Rohan range, but he is very nice overall. Although the curse of the face painter strikes again.
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Post by: Irbis
Why I am getting totally-not-Jaime-Lannister vibes here? 
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
As someone who's never watched or read that series I couldn't tell you.
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Post by: SnotlingPimpWagon
I wonder what Dwarfboot, captain of Gondor will look like.
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Post by: Irbis
I mean, look at this:
Similar dark armour with gold trim and red accents underneath, virtually identical pauldron style and red banded chest piece, same blond haircut and beard (Elfheim has a bit longer but Jaime looks very close in scenes where he went a bit longer without shaving), very similar sword (with gilded hilt, too), and Jaime's most dramatic scene last season was horse charge with a spear against a dragon 
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Post by: Papa-Schlumpf
Lol. Eomer, Theodred (?) and Theoden look like this for more than 10 years and way before this show. It fits well within the established range.
The model is on my list and I hope that he is not so big compared to the older Rohan models. And that maybe Déorwine will follow soon.
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Post by: Mymearan
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:The armour's a bit standout compared to the rest of the Rohan range, but he is very nice overall. Although the curse of the face painter strikes again.
Considering that face is like a couple of mm I think that is a pretty great paint job.
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Post by: callidusx3
I am starting to think that the problem with these new Forgeworld LotR models' faces is not just the paint job but the sculpting.
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Post by: Oppl
I mean, look at this:
Similar dark armour with gold trim and red accents underneath, virtually identical pauldron style and red banded chest piece, same blond haircut and beard (Elfheim has a bit longer but Jaime looks very close in scenes where he went a bit longer without shaving), very similar sword (with gilded hilt, too), and Jaime's most dramatic scene last season was horse charge with a spear against a dragon
Yeah, no.
As someone else said, the established aesthetic for Rohirrim commanders was established back in the late 90s and early 2000s. Theoden, Theodred, Eomer. All their armour is the same as this new Captain. All of it was designed and created well before the GoT TV show.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Some new characters a'comin. And a new Battle Companies book.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Those characters are great. Probably my favourite of the new stuff (but then Harad and Umbar have been my favourite things from the LotR game since the Harad sourcebook).
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Post by: Manchu
That Corsair looks cool!
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Post by: godswildcard
That corsair is fantastic! Love the Harad character too. Guess I've got an excuse to pick up a Mumak now ( as if I didn't have one already!)
But yeah,my hat corsair has me looking at a force, which is something I'd never considered before.
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Post by: CptJake
And I just bought the Battle Companies book a couple of months ago...
Ow well, since I MUST order Eowyn I may as well add the new book to my cart.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
We play a ton of BC so i'll happily shell out for an expanded version!
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Post by: CragHack
There goes my streak of not buying GW and FW
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Post by: judgedoug
Another wave of re-releases
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
The metal Haldir's elves? Seriously? wow...well I approve over the derpy plastics. That's a battle company to build indeed. And Hallelujah to the Morgul stalkers Faramir and Kardush. Finally. I wonder which Halbarad though? But still no Feral uruks...
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Post by: judgedoug
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:The metal Haldir's elves? Seriously? wow...well I approve over the derpy plastics. That's a battle company to build indeed. And Hallelujah to the Morgul stalkers Faramir and Kardush. Finally. I wonder which Halbarad though? But still no Feral uruks...
I do believe it is Grey Company Halbarad to accompany the Grey Company models.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
That's the only one without a banner isn't it?
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Post by: judgedoug
Young Halbarad is already available in a blister pack alongside Arathorn .
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Oh yes, of course it is. Then lets hope it's the rare one with the horn, Get it down from stupid prices.
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Post by: Polonius
The breaking of the fellowship is big win for people trying to complete collections as well.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Huh, you know i didn't even click the breaking on there. Well this weekend just got more expensive than originally planned.
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Post by: Papa-Schlumpf
This new rerelease is awesome. If the 120€ Halbarad comes back, maybe Gildor will also make it someday. And also some ruffians.
Dernhelm looks sweet.
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Post by: Sledgehammer
YES! I want a few of these minis Faramir especially though!
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Post by: Elevenses
Wow, I nearly paid eBay prices for Kardush yesterday. I only held off because I knew the second I did buy him GW would start making him again! Same goes for Cirdan too!
Haldir's Elves: excellent. I've got plenty but they are the far superior sculpts.
BOTF: about time, some of the best sculpts in the entire range.
GC & Halbarad: the one with the horn I presume? Not a huge fan of any of these sculpts but it's nice to have them back as an option
Morgul Stalkers are a big win for me. They hardly ever turn up on eBay so to just be able to buy them is amazing!
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Made to order images are up in the new Warhammer Community post:  I guess I'll get Kardush and the Stalkers for my Mordor force. But I haven't gotten any Good models yet, so I don't know which ones to get! Especially since they're one week only.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Halbarad with horn confirmed  Scalpers can go to hell: edit* literally ninja'd
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/04/18/middle-earth-blog-eowyn-merryfw-homepage-post-2/ Automatically Appended Next Post:  infinite_array wrote:Made to order images are up in the new Warhammer Community post:
I guess I'll get Kardush and the Stalkers for my Mordor force. But I haven't gotten any Good models yet, so I don't know which ones to get! Especially since they're one week only.
To be honest with you, all the good models there are highly sought after, with Halbarad in particular reaching triple figures second hand. If you've got the funds, i'd recommend you get one of each, as none of those sculpts are cheap on the secondary market currently. They might drop with this, but I doubt too much.
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Post by: infinite_array
It's kind of a problem with the whole "one week thing," especially the heroes. You'd think if they're bringing back the game with a new edition they'd at least make the heroes available for purchase whenever.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Thing is, these have all got alternative sculpts already apart from Cirdan, Kardush and Stalkers. My guess would be that those are probably getting the FW treatment sometime in the future if they're not being brought back permanently now.
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Post by: infinite_array
Ooooh, true. So those are the three I definitely want to pick up.
Guess I'll be choosing Rivendell as my first Good Force... It's a good thing a local shop has a box of Rivendell Knights in their 20% off section...
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
Ah crap, I'm working saturday. By the time I get home Halbarad will probably be sold out already.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Made to Order usually doesn't "sell out".
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
The only thing i'm concerned slightly about is the price of the breaking set. Everything else I think will hold it's old price of between £8-£12. I'm just concerned if they push breaking to something dumb like £45. Rather than the £25-30 it used to be.
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Post by: Tim the Biovore
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:The only thing i'm concerned slightly about is the price of the breaking set. Everything else I think will hold it's old price of between £8-£12. I'm just concerned if they push breaking to something dumb like £45. Rather than the £25-30 it used to be.
The listing is USD$75, and based off of my best attempt at working out how GW do regional conversions, I'm pretty sure that'll be £45. Unless I just wasn't paying attention during the earlier rounds, Made to Order does seem to be suffering from a rapid onset of increased gouge. Still, I guess they know the mindset of the target demographic, because I'd rather pay that amount than what the scalpers are asking.
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Yeah i've just seen the leaked price list. £45 for the fellowship, £15(!) for Haldir's elves,the stalkers and grey company, £8 for Celiborn £10 for Halbarad and Kardush, £12 for Faramir. There goes my plans for a BC of Haldirs elves then.
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Post by: judgedoug
For those wondering about why a few of the Made To Order items are for models that are not currently available (Cirdan, Kardush, Stalkers) instead of just alternate poses (the rest)
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Post by: Kanluwen
judgedoug wrote:For those wondering about why a few of the Made To Order items are for models that are not currently available (Cirdan, Kardush, Stalkers) instead of just alternate poses (the rest)
Frankly, I feel they need to focus on getting some plastic characters for Evil into production instead of it all being FW.
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Post by: Elevenses
judgedoug wrote:For those wondering about why a few of the Made To Order items are for models that are not currently available (Cirdan, Kardush, Stalkers) instead of just alternate poses (the rest)
I guess this links back to GW struggling for warehouse/storage space and it's plans to expand this capacity ASAP.
It's a shame though that everything is so expensive on made to order.
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Post by: ValentineGames
Soooo...Eowyn is a joke figure right?
I mean nobody would be dumb enough to think that garbage is acceptable for retail?
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Post by: Elevenses
ValentineGames wrote:Soooo...Eowyn is a joke figure right?
I mean nobody would be dumb enough to think that garbage is acceptable for retail?
I'm willing to wait until I've seen a few painted up outside of GW before I fully judge the model....but it isn't a promising likeness so far!
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
ValentineGames wrote:Soooo...Eowyn is a joke figure right?
I mean nobody would be dumb enough to think that garbage is acceptable for retail?
Ah, the trolls are out and active i see. Bare plastic and a proper paintjob, such is the case with Pippin. Don't waste everyone's time with poor trolling attempts.
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Post by: Papa-Schlumpf
I only have one problem with the new Eowyn: . There a none on the horse version and two on the foot models.
After seeing how well they managed this with prior models like Theoden, it is a little disappointing.
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I don't think she had one when she was riding. She picked it up when she dismounted to face off thw Witch King.
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Post by: ValentineGames
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:ValentineGames wrote:Soooo...Eowyn is a joke figure right?
I mean nobody would be dumb enough to think that garbage is acceptable for retail?
Ah, the trolls are out and active i see. Bare plastic and a proper paintjob, such is the case with Pippin. Don't waste everyone's time with poor trolling attempts.
Sorry.
"Oh my god this is amazing. GW best ever"
Better?
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Post by: Baragash
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:I don't think she had one when she was riding. She picked it up when she dismounted to face off thw Witch King.
It's standard equipment for Dernhelm, optional if just buying Eowyn.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
ValentineGames wrote: Inquisitor Gideon wrote:ValentineGames wrote:Soooo...Eowyn is a joke figure right?
I mean nobody would be dumb enough to think that garbage is acceptable for retail?
Ah, the trolls are out and active i see. Bare plastic and a proper paintjob, such is the case with Pippin. Don't waste everyone's time with poor trolling attempts.
Sorry.
"Oh my god this is amazing. GW best ever"
Better?
Just tired of hyperbole and mouthiness. You don't like something, you're more than free to keep it to yourself.
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Post by: Papa-Schlumpf
 Baragash wrote: Inquisitor Gideon wrote:I don't think she had one when she was riding. She picked it up when she dismounted to face off thw Witch King.
It's standard equipment for Dernhelm, optional if just buying Eowyn.
My problem is that the kit just gives you shields for the versions on foot and if you want matching shields or at least one for WYSIWYG for Dernhelm, you can´t build it out of the box. And there is enough space on the sprues left for this extra shields. Also a throwing spear for Eowyn on foot would have been nice as you get both options for the mounted model.
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Post by: Baragash
 Papa-Schlumpf wrote: Baragash wrote: Inquisitor Gideon wrote:I don't think she had one when she was riding. She picked it up when she dismounted to face off thw Witch King.
It's standard equipment for Dernhelm, optional if just buying Eowyn.
My problem is that the kit just gives you shields for the versions on foot and if you want matching shields or at least one for WYSIWYG for Dernhelm, you can´t build it out of the box. And there is enough space on the sprues left for this extra shields. Also a throwing spear for Eowyn on foot would have been nice as you get both options for the mounted model.
I feel you, once I get round to Rohan it's going to be insta-mould and brass rod time 
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Post by: CptJake
Is the new Eowyn on the webstore yet? If so, I can't find it.
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Post by: ImAGeek
 CptJake wrote:Is the new Eowyn on the webstore yet? If so, I can't find it.
Not yet on the US store. Preorders go up at 10am, but I can never remember which US timezone they use.
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Thanks
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Post by: Kanluwen
 ImAGeek wrote: CptJake wrote:Is the new Eowyn on the webstore yet? If so, I can't find it.
Not yet on the US store. Preorders go up at 10am, but I can never remember which US timezone they use.
They use the Eastern timezone, meaning they go up at 1pm Eastern on Saturdays.
There is usually a 5-10 minute window one way or the other(sometimes they're up at 1250/1255 sometimes as late as 105/110) for the stuff to go up.
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Post by: godswildcard
I’ve never seen that Faramir before...but just WOW! That’s a fantastic model!
There are so many things here I “need”...
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Post by: infinite_array
I'm looking forward to seeing some reviews of the new Battle Companies rules. The older version seemed to be received well enough, so maybe the Mordheim players at the local shop may want to try it.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
The Battle Companies may have changed more than we think. For instance Palace Guards and Mirkwood Rangers are being sold among the "one box" solutions on the product page, whereas Mirkwood Elves (the pricey resin ones) used to make up the bulk of Thranduil's Halls BC.
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Post by: thekingofkings
I am glad GW is pulling the rug out from under the scalpers again, They can clearly see there is demand already ordered 2 packs of stalkers and 2 packs of rangers
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Post by: Elevenses
Trying to decide on the Faramir sculpt. Can anyone point to a good painted example of it? All I can find via Google is the sole shot on the website and a few really low Res ones. Nothing that screams 'buy me'!
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Free downloads for the BC campaign map and roster sheets:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/04/25/middle-earth-battle-companies-free-downloadsfw-homepage-post-3/
Will save having to bend the spine of the book to scan them.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
These will be handy. I'm bummed that some Battle Companies call for such rare models though. Moria Goblins needing Prowlers and Blackshields for advancements when you can't even find ebay gouged ones, is just one of a surprising amount of examples.
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Post by: Pugnacious_Cee
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
These will be handy. I'm bummed that some Battle Companies call for such rare models though. Moria Goblins needing Prowlers and Blackshields for advancements when you can't even find ebay gouged ones, is just one of a surprising amount of examples.
Where are you seeing lists for the battle companies to know what models will be included in each?
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Post by: callidusx3
The BC book that came out less than 18 months ago, I imagine.
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Post by: NewTruthNeomaxim
Nope. My new one was delivered today. At a glance existing companies seem identical to the previous edition which means loads of out-of-print models.
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Post by: thekingofkings
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:Nope. My new one was delivered today. At a glance existing companies seem identical to the previous edition which means loads of out-of-print models.
they wont be out of print for long though, it looks like GW is getting its act together and producing again
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Also, fun fact on this. Apparently the MTO's have been so popular, that any orders placed after Wednesday have had the dispatch time increased to 49 days to give them time to deal with the backlog of orders. So that's very pleasing to hear.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
So, we've got the Shire inbound
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
It's just those parts? Are you supposed to use polystyrene to build the hill?
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Post by: Aeneades
It’s just those parts (£20 I believe) with the front double sided for variety. You need to make your own front out of foam, polystyrene, filler, etc
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
Thats not like GW. They've always done complete kits.
Not that I disapprove of course.
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Post by: Aeneades
These are coming from Forge World rather than main GW and are referring to them as Terrain upgrade kits so will hopefully
See similar kits in the future.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
And of course with hobbit holes comes hobbits
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Post by: Papa-Schlumpf
So Déorwine is coming.
Also do the new Ruffian leaders mean that the Ruffians will be available again?
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Post by: CptJake
I feel sorry for the horse having that big ol' shield clunking against his front leg like that. I know my horses wouldn't tolerate something smacking their front leg right above the knee.
Other than that, I really like those sculpts. I'm going to assume you could assemble the figure with the shield in a different spot.
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Post by: Chopstick
That's no shield, that's a manhole cover!!!
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Post by: Aeneades
Papa-Schlumpf wrote:[img]
Also do the new Ruffian leaders mean that the Ruffians will be available again?
Someone at the presentation said the metal ruffians would be rereleased as well.
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Post by: Gael Knight
Shield is ridiculous looking.
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Post by: Theophony
It has folding legs on it to be used as the mobile dining table.
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
GOLFIMBUL!!!
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Post by: DanceOfSlaanesh
Oh man, cannot unsee the width of that shield. thanks haha
Awesome painting on those figures though.
Are these all forgeworld releases? (except golfimbul rerelease?)
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Post by: Papa-Schlumpf
Aeneades wrote: Papa-Schlumpf wrote:[img]
Also do the new Ruffian leaders mean that the Ruffians will be available again?
Someone at the presentation said the metal ruffians would be rereleased as well.
Thats awesome! Thank you for the info. 
I like the direction they go with the Middleearth TT.
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Post by: Slinky
New Hobbits and Ruffians are really nice models!
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
The original Scouring of the Shire is one of my favourite supplements and was accompanied by some of the best sculpts in the range. Great to see the expansion of the range have as much character, hope the contents of the book will be similarly terrific.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Apparently some more stuff coming back this weekend:
15th June, we have the following models to preorder for 22nd June release. Metals include:
Ranger Captains (Faramir, Madril, Damrod)
Warriors of the Fiefdoms (3 Clansmen and 3 Axemen)
The Lords of Umbar (Dalamyr and both Hasharin models)
Balin and Floi
Army of Dead Banner Bearer
These four models will be available in Finecast, not metal:
Cave Drake
Radagast (On foot, On Eagle, and On Sleigh)
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Post by: godswildcard
Well gotta pick up that army of the dead banner bearer, and may be buying the warriors of the fiefdoms too. I need more clansman, and you can’t have to many axemen!
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
And we finally have the releases of the Ruffian hero's and the start of the Shire characters: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/searchResults?N=250394657+3206404541
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Post by: tneva82
Some sort of preview today 21BST(so 23.00 for me...). Also witch king and tainted are "no longer available online". Repackaging? Though hard to see how those could be repackaged and if so why not the rest?
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
tneva82 wrote:Some sort of preview today 21BST(so 23.00 for me...). Also witch king and tainted are "no longer available online". Repackaging? Though hard to see how those could be repackaged and if so why not the rest?
Well the Tainted was metal and the Witch King finecast, so it could be something to do with the material. Could just be a repackaging or just doing the oop rotation for a few months. Or being the wraiths, they could be getting the FW treatment now. Maybe there will be something about it tonight.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
New Preview stuff. Plastic king of the dead and heralds (and glow in the dark dice). Sexy as hell. Profile cards for each faction, very useful.
New Made to order. Including the ORIGINAL metal orcs and twilight wraiths and the kings of men and dwarf kings...forgive me credit card for i must sin...
And next supplement confirmed to be Rohan based.
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Post by: tneva82
Satisfied for this one. Dead models look gourgeous and I already have dead army(just got 3 riders of dead as it is). Also starting to paint moria force next month so those armoured ones as blackshield=yes please. And as rohan and isengard force owner that supplement ought to be full of material for me!
Rest isn't bad either but those 3 are the highlights for me.
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Post by: Slinky
Lovely, will have to add those new dead banner bearers as a minimum, will be sorely tempted by metal orcs too!
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
 Slinky wrote:Lovely, will have to add those new dead banner bearers as a minimum, will be sorely tempted by metal orcs too!
I'm grabbing the orcs and running them all as captains. You'll never run out of unique poses with a set of those.
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Post by: Elevenses
Fantastic plastic miniatures again for the AOTD. The existing King of the Dead sculpt is very lifeless (excuse the pun), so it's nice to see a new sculpt which is literally taken from a shot in ROTK.
I actually can't believe that they've finally put the original metal orcs on order at last! They'll be flooded with orders for them! Outside of four more metal spearmen I actually don't need anymore OG orcs, so I'll just wait for them to filter through to eBay.
Great to see sculpts like the Kings of Men/Dwarves and Twilight Ringwraiths back too. My wallet can sleep easy though this time, as I have everything I want.
Looking forward to seeing where Rohan goes- I hope the Pelennor Fields Eomer gets a re-release, and I might grab any outstanding metal sculpts I have soon in case they disappear.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
tneva82 wrote:Satisfied for this one. Dead models look gourgeous and I already have dead army(just got 3 riders of dead as it is). Also starting to paint moria force next month so those armoured ones as blackshield=yes please. And as rohan and isengard force owner that supplement ought to be full of material for me!
Rest isn't bad either but those 3 are the highlights for me.
Not pictured but mentioned, is the old metal Moria goblins are coming MTO too, so you might be better off with those.
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Umm those were the ones I referred with armoured ones.
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Post by: Kroem
Oooh a Rohan supplement has got to include Dunlendings right? I know they played a reduced role in the films but fingers crossed!
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Post by: Eldarain
Brilliant. Getting the dead and all the reference cards I need.
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Post by: Snrub
Hot damn! 
That king of the dead is nice. Very nice.
Defos gonna have to jump in on a few of those made to order kits as well.
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Post by: Sgt. Cortez
These Orks are some of the best models GW ever made. Everyone who collects some kind of Orc should get them. I missed them when they were sold regularly 15 years ago and had to get them one by one second hand. It's great for every new Player they're making these available once more.
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Post by: Manchu
New plastic models for the Dead is ... just 10/10! Now please plastic Riders of the Dead!
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Post by: Commander Cain
Never seen those metal orcs before but wow, they still look great. The new king of the dead is fantastic as well!
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
Never really got into collecting the old metal orcs despite knowing they're pretty great, as I felt that when I started, I wouldn't be able to rest until I tracked down all of them. If, as it appears, there will be a convenient bundle with one of each.. well, there is not reason to resist anymore! Just hoping they will be vaguely decently priced, not at twice the original price like they have done with a few made to order kits recently (Haldir's Elves, the Skaven characters).
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Post by: Elevenses
 Kroem wrote:Oooh a Rohan supplement has got to include Dunlendings right? I know they played a reduced role in the films but fingers crossed!
Good odds on all those coming back with the Rohan supplements I reckon. Bring on wildmen and the Dunlendings!
Wouldn't mind some feral uruks just to have a few in the collection too!
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
 Coenus Scaldingus wrote:Never really got into collecting the old metal orcs despite knowing they're pretty great, as I felt that when I started, I wouldn't be able to rest until I tracked down all of them. If, as it appears, there will be a convenient bundle with one of each.. well, there is not reason to resist anymore! Just hoping they will be vaguely decently priced, not at twice the original price like they have done with a few made to order kits recently (Haldir's Elves, the Skaven characters).
I have a gut feeling they'll be £45, same as the breaking of the fellowship. Which to be fair, still works out at around £3 a model, which isn't bad. But yeah, i'd prefer, 30-35 as they're just orcs and shouldn't get slapped with the hero tax. I'm more conerned about the twilight wraiths, as i really want nine, but won't if they're £15 a pack as i'd rather have the two sets of kings and the diorama.
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Post by: Sgt. Cortez
if I recall correctly these Orcs were already pretty expensive when they went OOP (I remember 72€ for all of them which was far too much for me when I was at school and also at the time you got 24 plastic orcs for 20€...). I wouldn't be surprised if they price them even higher.
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Post by: Johanxp
I was hoping for more plastic kits but it is ok. Undead are very nice.
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Post by: Shadow Captain Edithae
I'd rather have a new plastic or Resin Eomer than a re-release.
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Post by: Rygnan
I'd say plastic is all but guaranteed. All of the other major Good heroes from the Rohan/Isengard war are already in plastic (Theoden, Gandalf and the Three Hunters) and he doubles up with being one of the big heroes for Rohan in general (and for most of Gondor at War too). I'm not sure what else will get released though for it outside of redone models for old stuff outside of an extended Dunland range. Maybe new Saruman? Rest of it would be FW resin though not regular plastics
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Post by: Cleatus
So the LOTR Made to Order minis are up. Prices look decent, I think?
https://www.games-workshop.com/searchResults?N=2512876101+2088619879#
They're also offering a "bundle" deal for all of them, for a savings of £0.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Middle-Earth-MTO-Colelction-17-August-2019?_requestid=613866
Also, I may be confused, but I can't find them on the US site, only the UK site? Are US customers able to order these? (Maybe the website just hasn't updated for US customers yet?)
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Post by: Kanluwen
As is always the case, US preorders won't be up until 1pm Eastern.
Edit:
Sorry, that might have come off as snarky. It's a common thing that people might not know. Preorders for the US are always Saturday at 1pm Eastern. They can go up early(earliest is 12:35pm Eastern), but that hasn't been as common of late.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Orcs are a fiver cheaper than expected, the kings are wraiths a fiver more than expected. Which is annoying. Wanted three packs of the twilights, but on the fence about it now as well as the diorama. But still got the orcs and both sets of kings for now.
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Post by: tneva82
GW releases things according to time zones more or less. They come first available in australia and from there work their way out toward west. Ergo people who for some reason want to see prices etc of stuff ASAP are hitting F5 while on australian page America is so far west they get the stuff among last for orders.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
tneva82 wrote:
GW releases things according to time zones more or less. They come first available in australia and from there work their way out toward west. Ergo people who for some reason want to see prices etc of stuff ASAP are hitting F5 while on australian page America is so far west they get the stuff among last for orders.
You should be pleased dude, all 8 goblins at £20 probably made them the best valued set this time around.
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Post by: tneva82
Well worse price for euro buyers like me. Plus I already have more than enough bow goblins. I would actualy prefer if they had split h2h and bow gobbos to sets of 4 for 15£. Would make cheaper to get close combat gobbos for blackshield. 50£ for 8 blackshields and bunch of useless bow gobbos is pricey.
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Post by: YouKnowsIt
Do the armoured goblins represent a different statline in the game or are they just an alternate sculpt for the same statline represented by the plastics?
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Just alternative sculpts. Though you could use them for captains to give them some more weight in game.
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Thanks tneva
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Post by: Cleatus
Kanluwen wrote:As is always the case, US preorders won't be up until 1pm Eastern.
Edit:
Sorry, that might have come off as snarky. It's a common thing that people might not know. Preorders for the US are always Saturday at 1pm Eastern. They can go up early(earliest is 12:35pm Eastern), but that hasn't been as common of late.
tneva82 wrote:
GW releases things according to time zones more or less. They come first available in australia and from there work their way out toward west. Ergo people who for some reason want to see prices etc of stuff ASAP are hitting F5 while on australian page America is so far west they get the stuff among last for orders.
I didn't know, thank you for explaining! While I've painted a number of GW minis, I've never actually ordered from their website so I was unaware.
Edit:
The USD prices are higher than I was expecting. I have not played the game and don't own any of these minis currently, but I was considering buying some of these as a fan of LOTR. I've read about how GW uses different pricing in different countries ( AU, NZ ). Having never actually ordered from GW them directly I haven't done much comparing... £20 for Gandalf & Bilbo vs $35 USD is a pretty big jump. Likewise £30 vs $50 USD for the Casualty Pack. Disappointing.
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Don't look AU prices then for your own sanity
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
Mostly pleasantly surprised by the prices overall; thinking back to the prices of the original blister packs these are barely more expensive. Twilight Wraiths do look off next to the Kings of Men/Dwarves however, and those Casulaties are so expensive I wouldn't even contemplate them for a moment. Mainly interested in the Orcs and maybe the Goblins however, though I am tempted by the Kings. Wasn't too keen on the Kings of Men at first, but they are rather nice sculpts, and might come in handy some day...
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Post by: Baragash
tneva82 wrote:
GW releases things according to time zones more or less. They come first available in australia and from there work their way out toward west. Ergo people who for some reason want to see prices etc of stuff ASAP are hitting F5 while on australian page America is so far west they get the stuff among last for orders.
New Zealand beats us to the punch actually
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Post by: Snrub
Well they were more expensive then I was hoping, but about what I was expecting.
Grabbed both set of orcs and the goblins. Would have loved to have gotten all of them, barring the hobbit stuff, but just couldn't justify spending $400+ on them.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
New Bard, Tauriel and Legolas at Nova. I think that was an unreleased Bard previously, but brand new Legolas and Tauriel. Not sure by the wording if they're event exclusive or just available early.
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Inquisitor Gideon wrote:New Bard, Tauriel and Legolas at Nova. I think that was an unreleased Bard previously, but brand new Legolas and Tauriel. Not sure by the wording if they're event exclusive or just available early.
Event exclusive and will have a 1 week made to order window on FW too.
Don’t worry too much if you didn’t make it to NOVA this year – these models will be available at other events we’re attending too. What’s more, on Friday, we’ll be giving everyone the chance to grab this heroic Middle-earth trio with a week-long Made to Order on the Forge World website – keep an eye out for more details later in the week.
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Post by: callidusx3
Does anyone in the US want to split 2-3 packs of MTO Armored Moria Goblins? I do NOT want any of the archer goblins.
Thanks.
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Some neat new minis - and curiously well painted. Must have someone else painting the LOTR line vs. the atrocious stuff we've been seeing on the other Forgeworld lines recently.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
 Elbows wrote:Some neat new minis - and curiously well painted. Must have someone else painting the LOTR line vs. the atrocious stuff we've been seeing on the other Forgeworld lines recently.
This Bard was previously shown pictured in a rulebook (Desolotion of Smaug I guess), but never released at the time. It might well be that all three were intended for release then, and are the same models and paintjobs from the time rather than the FW painting studio.
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Post by: gianlucafiorentini123
Has anyone on here had any experience with the Death of Gothmog diorama? Looks cool but some of the details are a bit soft looking, is this just the paint scheme or the actual models?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Coenus Scaldingus wrote: Elbows wrote:Some neat new minis - and curiously well painted. Must have someone else painting the LOTR line vs. the atrocious stuff we've been seeing on the other Forgeworld lines recently.
This Bard was previously shown pictured in a rulebook (Desolotion of Smaug I guess), but never released at the time. It might well be that all three were intended for release then, and are the same models and paintjobs from the time rather than the FW painting studio.
Tauriel and Legolas have never been seen as far as I know.
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Post by: Rygnan
Some new stuff from NOVA. Rohan scenery kit (possibly a full line from the wording) and a plastic Grima/Saruman kit
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Post by: Commander Cain
Wow they are some of the best character models yet, the painter did a great job on the robes.
Scenery looks great as well, hopefully this means we have some updated Uruks on the horizon...
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Post by: godswildcard
That scenery is fantastic. I wonder if it will be plastic and completely modular like lake-town or if it will be more like the 'upgrade parts' like the shire, since they're both mentioned in the announcement.
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Post by: Chikout
 godswildcard wrote:That scenery is fantastic. I wonder if it will be plastic and completely modular like lake-town or if it will be more like the 'upgrade parts' like the shire, since they're both mentioned in the announcement.
It is plastic and modular.
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Post by: Voss
Yeah. The scenery is good. Might buy some for general purposes and clip the horse heads/sand down the arches.
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Post by: tneva82
Drooool...me wants! My precious! And just did saruman...they did it again!
Too much cool lotr stuff. Well 40k ain't getting any of my money in a hurry with all the awesome lotr stuff. Hopefully rohan houses don't get too expensive.
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Post by: Slinky
Rohan house looks excellent - I think I will get one rather than trying to make thatch from teddy bear fur
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Post by: Eiríkr
I am in on all of this, amazing. The re-imagining of Saruman and Gríma is excellent, painted to a ridiculous standard too - I love the robes!
I look forward to seeing the other Rohirrim and Isengard characters redesigned. They're all getting a facelift over the next few months, hopefully Eomer is next.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
Grima does indeed look great - probably the first plastic character since Théoden that I would consider an improvement over existing sculpts (the recent Gimi was also good though). Hoping for some new troops at long last though - Isengard has plenty, but Rohan has limited variety, and Dunland could really use some love.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Both look awesome and Saruman and Grima will be instant pick ups. Will have to sit on my hands concerning the houses due to space issues. But anyway, anyone interested in some the easiest ever to paint miniatures?
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Voss wrote:Yeah. The scenery is good. Might buy some for general purposes and clip the horse heads/sand down the arches.
It's possible that the horse heads aren't directly attached. Ray Dranfield designed these and said it's the same sprue, repeated.
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Post by: Aeneades
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:Both look awesome and Saruman and Grima will be instant pick ups. Will have to sit on my hands concerning the houses due to space issues. But anyway, anyone interested in some the easiest ever to paint miniatures?
New Bilbo sculpt at Nova as well. Unfortunately can’t link from phone.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Aeneades wrote: Inquisitor Gideon wrote:Both look awesome and Saruman and Grima will be instant pick ups. Will have to sit on my hands concerning the houses due to space issues. But anyway, anyone interested in some the easiest ever to paint miniatures?
New Bilbo sculpt at Nova as well. Unfortunately can’t link from phone.
Missing Bilbo
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Post by: Elevenses
Erm what is that pack of clear cast resin ring bearers?! I want it!
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Post by: Aeneades
 Elevenses wrote:Erm what is that pack of clear cast resin ring bearers?! I want it!
Hopefully the Ring Bearers and Bilbo will be part of the Forge World made to order week that is launching tomorrow along with the new Bard, Legolas and Tauriel.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Aeneades wrote: Elevenses wrote:Erm what is that pack of clear cast resin ring bearers?! I want it!
Hopefully the Ring Bearers and Bilbo will be part of the Forge World made to order week that is launching tomorrow along with the new Bard, Legolas and Tauriel.
I asked on the FW facebook page earlier and they basically gave a non answer unfortunately. We'll have to wait and see.
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Post by: CragHack
I'm so hyped about the scenery. Hopefully they will also do 3 house multi packs like they already do with Lake Town. Would grab like 3 of those sets instantly
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Post by: Aeneades
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:Aeneades wrote: Elevenses wrote:Erm what is that pack of clear cast resin ring bearers?! I want it!
Hopefully the Ring Bearers and Bilbo will be part of the Forge World made to order week that is launching tomorrow along with the new Bard, Legolas and Tauriel.
I asked on the FW facebook page earlier and they basically gave a non answer unfortunately. We'll have to wait and see.
Unfortunately the only MTO item is the Defenders of Laketown pack. Hopefully the other two packs appear at some stage in the future.
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Post by: Eiríkr
Elevenses wrote:Erm what is that pack of clear cast resin ring bearers?! I want it!
It's a limited 'clear Ringbearers' pack; Elendil, Gollum, Bilbo, Frodo and Sam. Not sure when they're available or to what capacity.
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Post by: Crazyterran
 Eiríkr wrote: Elevenses wrote:Erm what is that pack of clear cast resin ring bearers?! I want it!
It's a limited 'clear Ringbearers' pack; Elendil, Gollum, Bilbo, Frodo and Sam. Not sure when they're available or to what capacity.
Is it Elendil or Isildur? Isildur wore the ring, didnt he?
Sam never wore it, did he?
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Post by: Bobthehero
He did, when Frodo was stabbed by Shelob.
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Post by: Snrub
In the book, yes. In the movie, no.
Since these are movie based minis, I doubt Sam will be among them. Besides, that far left one doesn't look like any Sam miniature i've seen. I'm not sure who the bottom left is, but the others are Isildur, Gollum, Bilbo and Frodo.
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Post by: Bobthehero
He does in the movie and hands back to Frodo right after stabbing an orc in the back.
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Post by: Aeneades
Apparently the pack is Isildur, Gollum, Young Bilbo, old Bilbo and Frodo. Sam doesn’t have the option to take the ring in the game.
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Post by: Eiríkr
 Crazyterran wrote: Eiríkr wrote: Elevenses wrote:Erm what is that pack of clear cast resin ring bearers?! I want it!
It's a limited 'clear Ringbearers' pack; Elendil, Gollum, Bilbo, Frodo and Sam. Not sure when they're available or to what capacity.
Is it Elendil or Isildur? Isildur wore the ring, didnt he?
Sam never wore it, did he?
Suckling on wine last night. Doh, I meant Isildur!
Not sure on the mystery figure, I assumed it to be Sam given the image I was sent last night by a friend at NOVA, but a young Bilbo makes more sense. Especially since there’s a new ‘Young Bilbo’ model coming out too.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
Bottom left is the (young) Bilbo sculpt that's included with Smaug.
Top left Isildur, top right Gollum (crawling over a rock, the Two Towers/Emyn Muil pose - guess the one time you will have to paint part of the clear resin, unless you want the rock to be translucent too!). Bottom left the aforementioned Bilbo, bottom centre old Bilbo (in coat, holding book, technically holding the ring in his open right hand), bottom right is Frodo (I think from the old Weathertop set - a good choice, as I'm fairly certain that one doesn't have the Ring visible around his neck).
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Post by: Snrub
 Bobthehero wrote:He does in the movie and hands back to Frodo right after stabbing an orc in the back.
Hmm I know the scene you are referring to, but I disagree that he put it on. He climbs up a ladder which leads to a trap door in the middle of the chamber, and then stabs the orc. But at no point do we actually see him put on or take off the ring.
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Post by: Bobthehero
Putting the ring on doesn't matter, carrying it is what affects you.
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Post by: Snrub
Oooh. My apologies. I misunderstood where you were coming from. I was referring to only those who wore the ring in the movies.
Yes, yes Sam should absolutely be in the ring bearers pack then, in that case.
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Post by: judgedoug
the Ring Bearers pack includes invisible versions of all the models in the game that can take and wear The One Ring and become invisible while doing so. It's a funsies pack so if the model puts it on during the course of the game, you can put the clear version of the model down in it's place.
Outside of a special scenario, Sam cannot.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
Thanks to Tim G on the GBHL page, we have some more info on those made-to-order/event exclusive characters, which clearly have been shipped out very rapidly indeed.
Apparently, Tauriel has an optional arm with dagger, while Legolas' pose is not quite what I thought from looking at the picture - they really could have done with a better, or just extra angle for those shots.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Oh that's neat to know. I only got mine in this morning and was surprised how stuffed the blister was.
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Post by: Piousservant
Anyone know why the named Ringwraiths have progressively disappeared from the online store over the last few weeks....?
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Post by: Snrub
Oh probably because the old GW one's were vastly superiour to the gakky FW ones, but they want you to buy them instead?
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Post by: Aeneades
They are repacking them in three sets of three Ring Wraiths rather than individual packs.
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Post by: tneva82
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/09/12/middle-earth-ringwraiths-and-ringbearersfw-homepage-post-3/
The nazgul's are back and the invisible ringbearers for made to order week after christmast. Yey. Have got to get one.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
After Christmas? Hm, that's a bit far away. Might have to try and get a third party to mail them, but i appreciate they're actually being put as generally available for a while.
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Post by: UltraPrime
Where is this Christmas thing mentioned?
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Post by: ImAGeek
Weird, it’s gone now. Can confirm it was there earlier though.
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Post by: Slinky
ImAGeek wrote:
Weird, it’s gone now. Can confirm it was there earlier though.
Yes, it said would be available for 1 week MTO "after Christmas".
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Post by: tneva82
And forge world refered to it on their replies. Odd
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BTW reportedly at nova nazgul's were 40$ which means 25£/32.5€. Pretty darn good savings. At pounds it's 51£ worth of stuff at 25£ and euro's 32.5€ for 19.5€. Makes me feel bit better of having them together. If you want 2 anyway this is cheaper than old even if you bin the one. And selling 2 and keeping one you don't need to get much to break even anyway.
Personally I'll end with duplicate witch king but can swap weapons to have wysiwyg so no waste(particularly foot version with sword is handy) so only duplicate betrayer but I'm sure I don't mind getting both the missing ones for 13€ extra(rather than 19.5€ 2nd would have costed before)
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Post by: Slinky
Nice!
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Post by: Voss
Oh. Those are nice ghosts. Nice surprise release (at least for me)- every so often LotR coughs up some really nice kits that I don't expect.
Did they ever give an ETA on the Rohan buildings?
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Probably around November time. About 3 months or so after the announcement at Nova.
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Post by: Voss
I'm afraid I'm not following that conclusion. Other things previewed at Nova are already out, others are slated for October, more are still up in the air. They only thing that's definitely November is the Sisters box, and they went all explicit about that.
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Post by: ImAGeek
Voss wrote:I'm afraid I'm not following that conclusion. Other things previewed at Nova are already out, others are slated for October, more are still up in the air. They only thing that's definitely November is the Sisters box, and they went all explicit about that.
Things they preview at events generally come out within 3 months, so they should be out by the end of November.
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Post by: Voss
Right... that's what has me confused, because that isn't what happens.
Last year- big reveal was the ork vehicles, which came out in October.
This year's previews:
Shrike: already out (September)
Beastgrave: already out (September).
Warcry book: already out
Psychic Awakening, part 1- probably October
Necromunda video: feth knows
'Three months' as a ball park is clearly not accurate. (though the two of you are saying different things- 'about 3 month or so after' versus 'by the end of november.' Yours is technically inclusive, which makes it a little more vague.
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Voss wrote:Right... that's what has me confused, because that isn't what happens.
Last year- big reveal was the ork vehicles, which came out in October.
This year's previews:
Shrike: already out (September)
Beastgrave: already out (September).
Warcry book: already out
Psychic Awakening, part 1- probably October
Necromunda video: feth knows
'Three months' as a ball park is clearly not accurate. (though the two of you are saying different things- 'about 3 month or so after' versus 'by the end of november.' Yours is technically inclusive, which makes it a little more vague.
We don’t know, is the answer.
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Post by: Vorian
I'm sure I remember Andy H saying the warhounds weren't previewed when AT was released because they fell outside the 3 month preview window.
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Post by: tneva82
The 3 month is basically maximum. Not "they come out exactly 3 months" but that "after 3 months you will have them by latest".
So yeah thev couldn'' have shown warhounds as that would break that rule. Releasing it same month doesn't
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
there is also time line exceptions for the stuff going out to non gamestore retail (New York Toy Fair for stuff like those B&N exclusive sets) because the general toy trade expects a longer window
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Post by: tneva82
True. Also either FW/Specialist games seems to operate bit different or 3rd renders shown don't count as 3 month trigger as vulcan megabolter for reaver and gatling blasters for warlord carapace were shown in spring and vulcan came to preorder last friday and gatlings are still nowhere to be seen(much to my chagrin...)
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Post by: Snrub
Has anyone received their Made to Order stuff yet?
Anyone know how long these normally take to get delivered?
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Post by: tneva82
Well within 35 days is the GW line. But I know one person who got them already. Anyway still far from unusual wait so far
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Post by: Motograter
tneva82 wrote:And forge world refered to it on their replies. Odd
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BTW reportedly at nova nazgul's were 40$ which means 25£/32.5€. Pretty darn good savings. At pounds it's 51£ worth of stuff at 25£ and euro's 32.5€ for 19.5€. Makes me feel bit better of having them together. If you want 2 anyway this is cheaper than old even if you bin the one. And selling 2 and keeping one you don't need to get much to break even anyway.
Personally I'll end with duplicate witch king but can swap weapons to have wysiwyg so no waste(particularly foot version with sword is handy) so only duplicate betrayer but I'm sure I don't mind getting both the missing ones for 13€ extra(rather than 19.5€ 2nd would have costed before)
It's not the first time something has been priced wrong at Nova.
Be very surprised if you're getting 3 wraiths on foot and 3 mounted for as little as £25
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
 Snrub wrote:Has anyone received their Made to Order stuff yet?
Anyone know how long these normally take to get delivered?
Just got a shipping confirmation (4 weeks after ordering to the day).
The Forge World "Made to Order" figures, on the other hand, have been dispatched the very day after ordering; though those of course are just the event figures of which piles had been cast already, so that's perhaps not a surprise.
Well, I was a bit surprised it was that quickly, but had not expected those to actually take the maximum advertised time at any rate.
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So the Fiefdom characters come back, which is good, the Citadel Guard are repacked too, but most importantly, Beregond is back after a long time MIA:
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Post by: Slinky
Very good news, though I paid rather too much on eBay for Beregond and Forlong
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
Hope they'll release a mounted Forlong before too long; purchasing this larger, more expensive pack twice just to get a duplicate of one of the models is rather annoying. (Yes, I am aware of alternative manufacturers.) Otherwise a remarkably decent price for them.
Also a shame the new dice have, as per tradition, sold out within hours. Suppose it's preferable to a lot of leftover stock for them, but it makes you think they could make rather more money by producing a larger batch.
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Post by: CptJake
Is the plastic King of the Dead supposed to come out today?
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CptJake wrote:Is the plastic King of the Dead supposed to come out today?
Preorder from today, release next Saturday.
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Post by: CptJake
Thanks, I just found them on the website.
Question (I do not have my books handy): Do the Heralds of the Dead have their own stat line, or do they replace the Banner Bearer figure?
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Post by: Slinky
CptJake wrote:
Question (I do not have my books handy): Do the Heralds of the Dead have their own stat line, or do they replace the Banner Bearer figure?
There's no separate profile in the LOTR army book, so I guess they are just meant to be used as banner bearers, but also to lead warbands as it will then be clearer which is the leader.
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Post by: CptJake
Thanks, I didn't remember them being in the book but am unable to check right now.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
They've got their own profiles in Gondor at War. They're new Hero's and bascially bodyguards for the king.
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Post by: CptJake
Well damn. Thanks.
I just broke open the plastic wrapper on my copy and checked (not that I didn't trust you) and there they were. And now I know their stats too.
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Post by: Snrub
Does anyone have a picture of the recent Made to Order metal orcs? Despite my best efforts I haven't been able to find an image of the complete "squad".
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
Snrub wrote:Does anyone have a picture of the recent Made to Order metal orcs? Despite my best efforts I haven't been able to find an image of the complete "squad".
Sure thing; spoilered due to size:
And the archers for good measure:
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Post by: Motograter
If anyone ordered the army of the dead dice from 3rd party retailers check your e mails as you might not be getting them
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Post by: Snrub
Thank you very much Coenus.
Unfortunately I am missing a copy of the top far left orc and have instead been sent a duplicate version of the front far left orc.
Considering these are made to order specials, what do people think my chances are of getting them to replace the missing sculpt?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
Better if you catch them before the moulds are wheeled back in to the vault....
but they probably have at least some spare sets in case of problems so fairly good (and if they don't you'll get a refund, probably for the whole lot so should be able to afford to get the missing sculpt on ebay)
Edit: of course the hardest thing is going to be getting to realise what missing, and what's duplicated as they often mix that up (probably best to send a photo of the missing one and just say you've got a duplicate of one of the others because if you send a photo of both you know they'll send you another duplicate)
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Post by: Snrub
Well I just sent them an email explaining what happened and asking if they could sent out a replacement for the missing one. I sent them the picture Coenus provided with the missing orc circles in red. So they can't (fingers crossed) miss it.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
Had an issue with a Made to Order finecast model some time ago (surprise surprise), they said the replacement could take a while as it would have to be cast up specially. Ended up being shipped within the week if I recall correctly, so not bad at all, and fixing Made to Order problems didn't seem any problem otherwise.
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Post by: ferret61
These guys are on forgeworld for £21.
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Post by: Elevenses
It's worth mentioning these recent updates from GW too:
First up, clarification/restating the policy on putting miniatures back into production, and the way in which miniatures might leave the range periodically:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/03/journeying-into-the-west/
Out with the Old…*
Ok, so that’s not strictly true. To make sure we can best support the current action hot-spots in Middle-earth, and to make room for other returning models, we’ll occasionally remove some items from the webstore – but not before giving you plenty of warning that they’ll be on our Last Chance to Buy shortlist.**
However, it’s important to bear in mind that not all of these products will be gone for good, so even if you miss out you’ll likely see them return to the range in the future. In some cases, these items will be repackaged as thematic groups of models, such as with Gandalf the Grey and Gondor’s Ranger Captains.
More at the link.
Secondly, this weeks re-releases:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/03/coming-soon-a-dark-uprising-returning-heroes/
Also going up for preorder tomorrow: three new packs of profile cards that will probably disappear by 10.02am tomorrow:
The Dwarves pack includes profile cards and army bonus cards for the following armies: Thorin’s Company, Army of Thror, Erebor Reclaimed, The Iron Hills & The Wanderers in the Wild.
The Good set features Army of Laketown, Survivors of Lake-town, Garrison of Dale, Rivendell, Halls of Thranduil, Radagast’s Alliance, The Misty Mountains & The White Council.
Finally, for those of a more Evil bent, your pack has cards for Azog’s Hunters, Azog’s Legion, Dark Powers of Dol Guldur, Dark Denizens of Mirkwood, Goblin-town, The Trolls & The Desolator of the North.
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Post by: Aeneades
GW completely let me down on the profile cards last week after not fulfilling my order due to stock issue but fulfilled those of people who ordered half an hour later as stock was allocated at random. Annoyingly, I could have easily picked them up from other retailers who managed to fulfil stock but went with GW to be on the safe side. Not bothering with the cards at all now.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
You really don't need them They're just glossy bits when the books, pen and paper have worked fine for years. Thinking about selling mine actually as they're a pain to store. I love that sculpt for Haleth by the by. That's one of the more impressive ones to date.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus
Haven't been too impressed with the likenesses or proportions for most recent sculpts, but these sure look great.
Aldor's rules seem fun too (great special rules, applied to a guy with a 5+ shoot value), but Haleth seems a bit much for somebody who's really just random recruit #548.
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Post by: tneva82
Well Andor hits better than average human and then has nice reroll to wound. And the funny shoot first rule. Not too shabby. Add to that might and 20 pts doesn't seem too bad.
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Post by: Elevenses
I forgot to put above that there were several more re-releases a few weeks back, most of which were regrouped into themed bundles (and in some cases cheaper than before):
The named versions of the Ringwraiths are back, 3 packs, each of which contain 3 pairs of foot and mounted models (Angmar pack, Fallen Realms pack, and a Lost Kingdoms pack). Mix of resin and metals. There's a decent saving here.
Elladan & Elrohir in armour are repacked to be sold together at a discount (foot & mounted)
Lords of the Dunedain: Arathorn, Halbarad with a sword, & Halbarad with a Banner (the first version with the outpointed sword, not the one on made to order recently).
Lurtz & Ugluk
Haldir & Celeborn
Mauhur & Vrasku
Glorfindel & Erestor in armour
Elrond, Elrond on horseback (the resin versions from the Hobbit era), and Lindir
With those & the releases coming out tomorrow it's all a really good sign of support for the system!
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Post by: CragHack
I ordered some cards two weeks ago. As well as the Valdor book. Got my order sent yesterday...
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
Rohan book next week. And the new Saruman and Grima, houses and pallisades and looks like the ferals, foot gamling and Theodred are coming back. And a picture of Plastic Gandalf the white for some reason? oh and the dice (good luck getting those)
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Post by: Snrub
Absolutely frothing for that Rohan terrain.
I was going to make my own, but now I might not bother if the price of these is good enough.
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Post by: Manchu
They just keep hitting these M-E releases out of the park!
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Post by: Kanluwen
Snrub wrote:Absolutely frothing for that Rohan terrain. I was going to make my own, but now I might not bother if the price of these is good enough.
House is $42USD, Watchtower & Palisades is $65USD per the so far entirely accurate leaked release list. Saruman's $40, in case anyone was wondering.
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Post by: Slinky
Surely there must be a new Eomer,. or at least a re-release of the better version of him
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