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**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Game designer. Used to be on the white dwarf team if I recall correctly. And he's been with gw for years, hes one of the big names like matt ward.

**Manchu**

Adam Troke works for GW and is in charge of SBG's development. To give you an idea of his approach, the "re-ignition" of this line began with an open day at Warhammer World where fans were invited in to hear about what was coming and see previews as well as participate in a tournament. Since then, we have seen new model releases - including extremely competitively priced high quality plastic terrain - and a new rule book that focuses on the final two Hobbit films (which GW was not able to cover very well for whatever reasons, including New Line's intransigence). Mr. Troke and his collaborators are also pretty accessible via Facebook groups devoted to SBG.

In short, the people currently handling SBG have already made a very favorable impression.

**Davor**

Thank you Shadow Captain Edithae

**AndrewGPaul**

I've been wanting one of those Amon Sul kits since they went out of production.

All I managed to get was the half set that was apparently a store display item. Now, if I could only get the three ringwraiths that were only sold in the box set of nine ...

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Davor wrote:
Thank you Shadow Captain Edithae

Don't thank me, thank Manchu.

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Manchu wrote:
In short, the people currently handling SBG have already made a very favorable impression.

Just not with Warhammer players. Have you seen the people throwing fits on Forgeworld's facebook page?

**Kalamadea**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Lots of self entitled Warhammer players complaining on the Forgeworld face book page. They've had an entire year of almost exclusively Warhammer 40K or 30K releases, and they go ape gak when the SBG gets just one modest sized release?

This has been the case, over and over and over and over again, since Fellowship first released in 2001. 40k/WHFB players have ALWAYS complained about LotR release months "interrupting" their release schedules, "taking away development resources" and just plain complaining that the game would never stick around. It was annoying back then, it's annoying now. Makes me want to go on the FB page and complain that FW is still wasting time and resources releasing 30k models even though GW makes plastic 30K now and FW needs to be concentrating on LotR releases

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Just got called an SJW LMAO.

**Inquisitor Gideon**

Just read the thread about the guy calling himself self entitled because he wanted some knight variation and wished the berserkers hadn't been released...i mean jesus..self entitled is an understatement. You'd think people would be happy for any Forge World release that isn't marines at this point.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

He called me an SJW for saying I don't believe him his claim that he's only complaining because he's disappointed the thing he wanted wasn't released in time for Xmas. I said I think he'd be complaining no matter what time of the year it was released.

Apparently that means I'm an SJW....which would be news to Dakka Dakka, half of the Off Topic think I'm far right!

**Davor**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Davor wrote:
Thank you Shadow Captain Edithae

Don't thank me, thank Manchu.

Manchu must have wrote that as I was thanking you. I didn't see that only your post. Hence why I thanked you. Thanks Manchu for the extra explanation.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Davor wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Davor wrote:
Thank you Shadow Captain Edithae

Don't thank me, thank Manchu.

Manchu must have wrote that as I was thanking you. I didn't see that only your post. Hence why I thanked you. Thanks Manchu for the extra explanation.

Yes I gathered that. Saw your post then saw his post giving much more detail than me and decided he's more deserving of praise.

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Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Just read the thread about the guy calling himself self entitled because he wanted some knight variation and wished the berserkers hadn't been released...i mean jesus..self entitled is an understatement. You'd think people would be happy for any Forge World release that isn't marines at this point.

He's now saying "niche games" like Epic, Necromunda, Bloodbowl, SBG etc are a waste of time.

**judgedoug**

Manchu wrote:
Adam Troke works for GW and is in charge of SBG's development. To give you an idea of his approach, the "re-ignition" of this line began with an open day at Warhammer World where fans were invited in to hear about what was coming and see previews as well as participate in a tournament. Since then, we have seen new model releases - including extremely competitively priced high quality plastic terrain - and a new rule book that focuses on the final two Hobbit films (which GW was not able to cover very well for whatever reasons, including New Line's intransigence). Mr. Troke and his collaborators are also pretty accessible via Facebook groups devoted to SBG.

In short, the people currently handling SBG have already made a very favorable impression.

It is also his only job. He is the head of the Middle Earth SBG Design Team, along with Jay Clare. It is their sole job, to guide the development and release of SBG and the new Middle-Earth rulebook and new sourcebooks coming next year. They have a release schedule with new models until 2020, and dedicated sculptors.

**mdauben**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Just not with Warhammer players. Have you seen the people throwing fits on Forgeworld's facebook page?

I still remember the fits people used to throw about LOTR "wasting" valuable page space in White Dwarf when the game was at its peak. Never mind that LOTR was selling like hotcakes at the time. Never mind that LOTR basically financed GW's way to in-house plastic production. The 40K whiners wanted "moar spece mrines!!!!"

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

40k wouldn't be what it is today without LOTR.

**Davor**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
40k wouldn't be what it is today without LOTR.

GW wouldn't be here today without LotR.

**Seren Nishiyama**

Davor wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
40k wouldn't be what it is today without LOTR.

GW wouldn't be here today without LotR.

THIS
So much THIS.

**Ruin**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
40k wouldn't be what it is today without LOTR.

So now we know who to blame...

**Midnightdeathblade**

Any chance on Forgeworld making a squad of BOTFA Elves? Id love to see those....

**judgedoug**

Midnightdeathblade wrote:
Any chance on Forgeworld making a squad of BOTFA Elves? Id love to see those....

Which ones? GW already makes Mirkwood Armoured Infantry Spearmen, Shield/Swordmen, and Bowmen, plus Cavalry. Now, I would love FW to redo them as they'd be cheaper

But there apparently are newer Mirkwood Armoured Cavalry models coming out with shields, so there's that.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

I think we'd be extremely lucky to get new releases for LOTR era armies like High Elves, though we might see old OOP models coming back. We're only guaranteed to get Hobbit era releases as they plug the gaps in the Hobbit range. (I really want an armoured Azog).

We'll probably get new profiles for High Elves, but I doubt we'll get new models.

**Inquisitor Gideon**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I think we'd be extremely lucky to get new releases for LOTR era armies like High Elves, though we might see old OOP models coming back. We're only guaranteed to get Hobbit era releases as they plug the gaps in the Hobbit range. (I really want an armoured Azog).

We'll probably get new profiles for High Elves, but I doubt we'll get new models.

Hm, I'd doubt there would be no new releases for LoTR if I'm honest. Hobbit is too small to support it for long. We've had the complete lists in the new supplement and we're not really missing that much. Forgive me if I miss anything, I don't have the book in front of me. But for good it is: Iron hills captain, goat riders, chariot, maybe a conversion kit for mattocks and crossbowmen? For evil it is the ogre (already seen), troll and variations (I can imagine being one kit) armoured azog, war bats and the signal tower maybe?

So it's not a huge amount to come.

**SeanDrake**

Seren Nishiyama wrote:
Davor wrote:
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
40k wouldn't be what it is today without LOTR.

GW wouldn't be here today without LotR.

THIS
So much THIS.

Actually if your being technical it was lotr that nearly tanked the company when the bubble burst. This then lead directly to the dark lord Kirby's regin for a decade reulting in the proper games

getting so gacky while GW had to persist in producing lotr stuff even when sales had gone off a cliff.

Still does not excuse anyone being a douch, but bear in mind that people are still waiting on 40k/30k stuff FW previewed for release 3 years ago. So 3 frankly ugly sculpts appearing out of nowhere may raise tensions (to be fair most of the issues with hobits sculpts was the poor art design from the movies.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

They got rich and prosperous off the LOTR bubble. It was their complacency in not adequately preparing for the end of that bubble that nearly killed them.

**judgedoug**

Alright, I think we can all agree that the license made GW giant piles of cash and is also the best game that they've ever made.

Just got the shipping notice for my Lake-town three-pack.
Hoping my Forge World Gundabad Berserkers ship soon too...

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Well, "best game" is entirely subjective.

But I certainly think its the most well written and balanced game. Better written than Warhammer for sure.

**Davor**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Well, "best game" is entirely subjective.

But I certainly think its the most well written and balanced game. Better written than Warhammer for sure.

Maybe Best game Games Workshop ever made.

**reds8n**

https://warhammerworld.games-workshop.com/the-hobbit-gt/

The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies™ Grand Tournament 2017

25th – 26th February 2017

Warhammer World, Nottingham

Tickets on Sale: 19th December

Our journey into Middle-earth™ continues in 2017 which sees the triumphant and long-awaited return of the Grand Tournament.

With competitive (yet friendly) gaming at it’s heart, this will be a fresh change of pace to our regular events, where a canny mix of army selection, generalship and downright sneak tactics will be the order of the day if you hope to raise the trophy above your head and claim the title of Champion of Middle-earth 2017.

Event Essentials

Date: 25th – 26th February 2017publication1
Tickets on Sale: Monday 19th December
Number of Games: 6
Army Size: Each player will need each of the following:
1 x fully painted and based army of no more than 600 points of Good models
1 x fully painted and based army of no more than 600 points of Evil models
Army Selection: Use the “Choosing An Army” guide on page 100 of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey™ rules manual. See “Mustering your Forces”
section later.
Army List: You will need to hand in printed versions of both of your army lists when you register at the event. Your armies cannot change throughout the
weekend.
Additional: All models in your collection must be comprised entirely of Citadel and Forge World miniatures and be fully assembled, painted and based. Each model must fully represent what you have presented on your army list, including armour, weapon options, mounts, banners etc.
Scenarios in Use: New scenarios (available to download above in a separate document)
Table Size: 4’x4’
Food: Included in the ticket price is a freshly cooked lunch in our restaurant on both days. All dietary requirements catered for, and there will be a varied menu on offer. Attendees from the Shire may be glad to hear that Bugman’s Bar can provide second breakfast, elevenses, afternoon tea or supper upon request, at very reasonable prices.

more info -- note the downloads -- at the link.

Middle-earth Q&A
On Saturday evening, relax with a drink (they come in pints!) in Bugman’s Bar and
listen as Adam Troke and Jay Clare (right) from the Middle-earth team answer
your questions about the future of the Strategy Battle Game. If there is anything
you want to know about the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game, now is the time
to ask!

Might be of interest.

**Ghaz**

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/15/houses-of-lake-town/

**Ghaz**

New Middle Earth FAQs posted:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2016/12/22/faqs-from-middle-earth/

**Ohman**

Did the Town-house comeback in stock and then sell out again? I had email-notification set but didn't get any mail, was very surprised to hear people on an other forum managed to order a few days ago.