Just Tony wrote: I'm shocked anybody wants ANYTHING metal back, but that's just me.
As long as they are one piece or something simple like arms or hands metal is my preferred medium. It allows for more natural poses where the upper body and lower body are in harmony and most aiming or weapon holding stances look more natural than the usual multipart plastics.
Once you get into 3 or more parts though, plastic all the way.
JohnnyHell wrote: It's completely unlikely they'll do Limited Edition minis again. Just regular production ones.
So let's not even try to ask?
I fully agree. Did GW say they will not do Limited Editions? I don't recall that statement at all. I could be wrong, so please correct me if GW has done so. I would love to order that Dark Angel mini. One of the reasons why I never finished my Dark Angel army.
This is actually hilarious. I post some fairly logical supposition and get asked to prove my sources. Guys, I didn't attack anyone, don't get bent out of shape. We're wishlisting metal mandollies for feth's sake.
Don't worry every 3rd poster has asked for them and for Doomrider.
The Doomrider lovers are trolling right? I mean they have to be? Why not ask for the @#$%ing 3rd edition Obliterators too while you're at it.
I actually kinda like those Obliterators, just wish there was more than one sculpt.
There were three of them.
I never put one together, but the bodies were quite usable for my earlier Adeptus Mechanicus (with Techmarine arms and backpack) as battle Magi (something like the Myrmidons FW released later).
If someone is willing please ask for a old Raptors. You know cool ones that came before clawed feet group. Art for them was done by Clint Langley I think.
Verviedi wrote: ...You want metal Wraiths and Tomb Spyders back?
You absolute madman. Assembling those was one of my worst hobby experiences.
The old wraiths look 1,000 times better than the new ones.
My personal hell is endlessly having to assemble metal Wraiths, and the metal Warmahordes Angelius model. Either were experiences so horrific they probably stopped me from buying/assembling anything for six months afterwards. :-p
Verviedi wrote: ...You want metal Wraiths and Tomb Spyders back?
You absolute madman. Assembling those was one of my worst hobby experiences.
The old wraiths look 1,000 times better than the new ones.
THAT is absolutely untrue. The old Wraiths looked super silly and didn't even look threatening.
Agreed that they were vexing to assemble but it's a shame they didn't do a newer iteration in plastic that improved on them but kept the appearance. The appearance of the old wraiths was amazing and tied in well with the general appearance of the old Terminator theme the Necrons had at the time. The newer versions were more Matrix and combined with some of the naff Tomb King style characters, and total fluff overhaul, killed my collecting interest in the faction at the time. That said I am now getting flashbacks to trying to re-glue one of them about 13-14 years ago and it's not good ...so probably best release something else!
@simonb75: Completely agree on the Brettonian Robin Hood characters...auto purchase if they release them
Has anyone asked for the assault cannon mounts off the old land raider crusader? The sponsors were a nightmare but the assault cannons would be nice for razorback without buying entire crusader upgrade sprues.
Don't worry every 3rd poster has asked for them and for Doomrider.
The Doomrider lovers are trolling right? I mean they have to be? Why not ask for the @#$%ing 3rd edition Obliterators too while you're at it.
I actually kinda like those Obliterators, just wish there was more than one sculpt.
There were three of them.
I never put one together, but the bodies were quite usable for my earlier Adeptus Mechanicus (with Techmarine arms and backpack) as battle Magi (something like the Myrmidons FW released later).
JohnnyHell wrote: It's completely unlikely they'll do Limited Edition minis again. Just regular production ones.
So let's not even try to ask?
I fully agree. Did GW say they will not do Limited Editions? I don't recall that statement at all. I could be wrong, so please correct me if GW has done so. I would love to order that Dark Angel mini. One of the reasons why I never finished my Dark Angel army.
I still have my interrogator chaplain from Dark Vengeance, new on sprue. I've been meaning to put it up on eBay, but never got round to it. Give me a PM if you're interested Davor.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I don't remember asking you to prove anything. Who's getting bent out of shape here?
Well aware you didn't, that's why I wasn't responding to you that time.
Also, I'll gladly be wrong if they do. But it's a speculation thread, so I speculated. Probably more logically than others. But it isn't about 'being right'. My post was more 'curb your enthusiasm' than HAHA NO L.E. SPESS MUHRINEZ FOR YOU. Not here for a pointless netfight.
I've been looking around, they never said anything about WHEN they are planning on this 2nd wave have they? I want to make sure I have money put aside for this incase we get diaz deamonettes. But the new 30k box game is damn tempting. lol
I have an email confirmation of order and went through the standard online payment process; however after checking just notice that it's not charged out of a/c yet...hmmm
NivlacSupreme wrote: I was charged it was just that 4 days ago i got my money back. And then i spent it which may have been a mistake
Thing is, if they are making these to order (as is claimed), then there shouldn't be any issue with casting sufficient of each model - unless the original master is damaged and the mould wears out, I guess.
Just seems odd they'd refund you without contacting you, which is why I'd suggest contacting them.
*looks at GW site*
Does anything show up if you look at the order within your account?
Verviedi wrote: ...You want metal Wraiths and Tomb Spyders back?
You absolute madman. Assembling those was one of my worst hobby experiences.
I've always felt that the metal wraiths were hideous, and refused to buy them.
The Metal Spyders are superior to me, than their modern counterpart. The look more like purpose built machines, and not GIANT ROBO SPIDERS !! Plus, they share some design aesthetic with the Destroyers. Have 9 already though, so not really looking for them made to order.
I like the metal Wraiths. I've got 4 of 'em, all painted up. They look cool.
But how are people being refunded for a "On Demand" service. You can't run out of something when it's a make on demand service. That doesn't make sense.
Verviedi wrote: ...You want metal Wraiths and Tomb Spyders back?
You absolute madman. Assembling those was one of my worst hobby experiences.
The old wraiths look 1,000 times better than the new ones.
Really?
Madness. The Canoptek Wraiths are one of the creepiest, most alien, coolest looking models in their range. The old ones look like cartoons. Not everything needs to be anthropomorphic.
Verviedi wrote: ...You want metal Wraiths and Tomb Spyders back?
You absolute madman. Assembling those was one of my worst hobby experiences.
The old wraiths look 1,000 times better than the new ones.
Really?
Madness. The Canoptek Wraiths are one of the creepiest, most alien, coolest looking models in their range. The old ones look like cartoons. Not everything needs to be anthropomorphic.
Cartoons in this sense?
Spoiler:
Anyway, checking my a/c order it is indicating that the order amount is €0 and 'pending'. I presume that this is the way they are doing these Made to Order requests...get interest and charge when they have the stuff actually made?!
No, Cartoons in the sense that they took a human torso and elongated the spinal column and gave it bigger shoulder pads
Spoiler:
Have you ever seen a snake move, or stand it place like that ? The answer is no. They coil to stand in place and slither to move. The metal wraiths should be much lower to the ground and their serpentine portion of their body should be curved, in either a coil or S like shape. Their sculpt defies gravity and logic.
If they looked more like this, the half man thing would be more tolerable.
Theyre not supposed to move like snakes though, theyre supposed to float. Obviously gw dont quite have the technology to build gravity defying models yet though
Personally i think both designs look really good and creepy and its a shame the old wraiths couldnt be given a different role to the new ones. The new ones being more sinister guardian/sentry/repair robot and the old ones being the creatures that hunt you down and kill you when necrons are on the offensive for example
I could imagine them "swimming" through the air, like a sea snake through water. The old, upright pose they had never looked right to me. They would have indeed looked better if their tail was coiled around something, like some poor guardsman. I do like the old wraiths, and I liked the lore for them too; before wraiths were a necron (not a drone) which specialized in assassination and "acquiring" surgical samples.
I think there was also a bit of fluff in one of the white dwarfs that revealed that the wraiths were necrontyr psychopaths and murderers, which added to the horror factor.
The new wraiths are just maintenance robots. Its a nice model, but I wished they kept the old psychopathic snake types and gave the maintenance droids a different name.
Yes, the old wraiths were a pain to assemble. So were most metal models back then. Pariah scythes tended to break, metal slaan tended to fall over, metal deff dreads also tended to fall over, lose a leg and their banner.
Are old flayed ones available? Because those are so much better than the current version.
Bobug wrote: Theyre not supposed to move like snakes though, theyre supposed to float. Obviously gw dont quite have the technology to build gravity defying models yet though
Cough..Cough...that was actually pretty funny ... Cough Cough..
On Topic: I'd like to see the 1 piece monopose Thousands Sons Marines again. They were easy to assemble and got the point across that all the Thousand Sons were now just identical automatons and not individuals.
No, Cartoons in the sense that they took a human torso and elongated the spinal column and gave it bigger shoulder pads
Spoiler:
Have you ever seen a snake move, or stand it place like that ? The answer is no. They coil to stand in place and slither to move. The metal wraiths should be much lower to the ground and their serpentine portion of their body should be curved, in either a coil or S like shape. Their sculpt defies gravity and logic.
If they looked more like this, the half man thing would be more tolerable.
Is there a finished product? Because that's pretty damn great looking.
adamsouza wrote: Cough..Cough...that was actually pretty funny ... Cough Cough..
On Topic: I'd like to see the 1 piece monopose Thousands Sons Marines again. They were easy to assemble and got the point across that all the Thousand Sons were now just identical automatons and not individuals.
I'm fairly certain GW still sell those, except they're sold as part of a 4 pack with the other monopose cult marines.
NivlacSupreme wrote: I was charged it was just that 4 days ago i got my money back. And then i spent it which may have been a mistake
Don't know how your card works but if I use debit(not credit) option and store does not actually take money when order is done(but rather during shipping) then initial payment comes back to my account only to be taken later. Sure something similar might not have been case here? When does GW generally bill their orders? During order or during shipment.
I have one store I regularly use that bills on shipment. If I preorder something pretty quaranteed that initial deduction from account is returned and then charged later. Have once had my account go into negative due to exchange rate changing between order and shipping date!
NivlacSupreme wrote: I was charged it was just that 4 days ago i got my money back. And then i spent it which may have been a mistake
Don't know how your card works but if I use debit(not credit) option and store does not actually take money when order is done(but rather during shipping) then initial payment comes back to my account only to be taken later. Sure something similar might not have been case here? When does GW generally bill their orders? During order or during shipment.
I have one store I regularly use that bills on shipment. If I preorder something pretty quaranteed that initial deduction from account is returned and then charged later. Have once had my account go into negative due to exchange rate changing between order and shipping date!
I called and my bank takes the mine when I order, and usually gives it when is dispatches. Since it took over 5 days they gave back the money.
Yeah, I dropped some coin. Honestly, the prices weren't too bad when compared to current models, and I'd rather get new fresh models than scrounge for hard to find OOP stuff.
Which is why if they put Praetorians on Made to order, I'll be blowing the webstore up....
Polonius wrote: Yeah, I dropped some coin. Honestly, the prices weren't too bad when compared to current models, and I'd rather get new fresh models than scrounge for hard to find OOP stuff.
Which is why if they put Praetorians on Made to order, I'll be blowing the webstore up....
That's if those moulds still exist.
One of the more fanciful rumours I heard in the past was that a high up at GW thought the Praetorians were a joke that got out of hand, hence why they went off sale before the other 2nd Ed IG models that proceeded them.
Pinch of salt required maybe but I couldn't see them as being any less popular than the other regiments.
Like you though, I wouldn't object to being able to pick some up direct again.
Polonius wrote: Yeah, I dropped some coin. Honestly, the prices weren't too bad when compared to current models, and I'd rather get new fresh models than scrounge for hard to find OOP stuff.
Which is why if they put Praetorians on Made to order, I'll be blowing the webstore up....
That's if those moulds still exist.
One of the more fanciful rumours I heard in the past was that a high up at GW thought the Praetorians were a joke that got out of hand, hence why they went off sale before the other 2nd Ed IG models that proceeded them.
Pinch of salt required maybe but I couldn't see them as being any less popular than the other regiments.
Like you though, I wouldn't object to being able to pick some up direct again.
They didn't go fully OOP until the end of Bitz, or roughly around the time a whole bunch of stuff went OOP. I remember ordering some in around 2005 direct from GW, and the 2005 catalogue still lists a ton of 2nd edition stuff:
Admittedly, I think 2004-2005 is when they stopped making a lot of RT era stuff even on bitz order. But Praetorians were available until the end of bitz ordering.
Polonius wrote: Yeah, I dropped some coin. Honestly, the prices weren't too bad when compared to current models, and I'd rather get new fresh models than scrounge for hard to find OOP stuff.
Which is why if they put Praetorians on Made to order, I'll be blowing the webstore up....
I only got the Techpriest Enginseer 1 that recently went OOP; same price as Techpriest Enginseer 2 which is still available. M2O turns out to be cheaper and easier than hunting eBay, and there's no worries about wasting money on counterfeit / recast.
I don't understand why GW won't do a flash sale on Praetorians, as they're probably the most-requested IG line to bring back. Not that I'd add any as they wouldn't match my Tallarn. OTOH, metal Cadians? Yeah, I could use a squad or two.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I wonder if Preatorians have a following outside the UK. I remember in the NY store they complained they couldn't give them away.
They had a decent enough following back when the factory used to be in Maryland. They would have to regularly cast them up to fill orders. If eBay prices are anything to go by actions usually go pretty high for them.
In resin, unfortunately, and at quite an eye-watering price...
Egads, I hate the GW site. Flip to US and it sends me to the home page. Try and search for it, nothing. Is that set not available to deliver to the US?
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I wonder if Preatorians have a following outside the UK. I remember in the NY store they complained they couldn't give them away.
They're the only old, metal IG army I would buy and build. While I really want to do an "Enemy at the Gates" style Valhallan army, the urge isn't strong enough to do them in metal, given how infantry heavy such an army would be.
Praetorians, however...for them, I'd do the mean things to my wallet to buy enough while they were in the short "made to order" window, and I'd suck it up and deal with huge numbers of metal guys.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I wonder if Preatorians have a following outside the UK. I remember in the NY store they complained they couldn't give them away.
They're the only old, metal IG army I would buy and build. While I really want to do an "Enemy at the Gates" style Valhallan army, the urge isn't strong enough to do them in metal, given how infantry heavy such an army would be.
Praetorians, however...for them, I'd do the mean things to my wallet to buy enough while they were in the short "made to order" window, and I'd suck it up and deal with huge numbers of metal guys.
Oh I remember Praetorians! Those guys were cool. I would love to see a battle of Rourke's drift scenario with them, that involves a small force of Praets fighting waves and waves of Orks.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I wonder if Preatorians have a following outside the UK. I remember in the NY store they complained they couldn't give them away.
They're the only old, metal IG army I would buy and build. While I really want to do an "Enemy at the Gates" style Valhallan army, the urge isn't strong enough to do them in metal, given how infantry heavy such an army would be.
Praetorians, however...for them, I'd do the mean things to my wallet to buy enough while they were in the short "made to order" window, and I'd suck it up and deal with huge numbers of metal guys.
Oh I remember Praetorians! Those guys were cool. I would love to see a battle of Rourke's drift scenario with them, that involves a small force of Praets fighting waves and waves of Orks.
shade1313 wrote: Praetorians, however...for them, I'd do the mean things to my wallet to buy enough while they were in the short "made to order" window, and I'd suck it up and deal with huge numbers of metal guys.
Oh I remember Praetorians! Those guys were cool. I would love to see a battle of Rourke's drift scenario with them, that involves a small force of Praets fighting waves and waves of Orks.
While I don't have the specific models, we did play the scenario out of WD with my Tallarns!
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I wonder if Preatorians have a following outside the UK. I remember in the NY store they complained they couldn't give them away.
They're the only old, metal IG army I would buy and build. While I really want to do an "Enemy at the Gates" style Valhallan army, the urge isn't strong enough to do them in metal, given how infantry heavy such an army would be.
Praetorians, however...for them, I'd do the mean things to my wallet to buy enough while they were in the short "made to order" window, and I'd suck it up and deal with huge numbers of metal guys.
I don't NEED more...but I will if I get the opportunity!
My guess is that they don't offer next lot of items until they have cast and sent the previous lot. With 28 days scheduled for processing orders, that would mean once a month at best.
Third saturday of the month would be suitable pre-order date for Made-To-Order products, because first two weekends are reserved for products featured in WD.
I dont know the official line at Gw for things like this and dont want to put the shop in trouble, but Diaz' Daemonettes (on foot and mounted) won the survey and will be available next in the Made to order program. This was posted by a GW shop on FB and should get official soon. There will be other models (preorder is Nov 19) like the Emperors Children Lord.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I wonder if Preatorians have a following outside the UK. I remember in the NY store they complained they couldn't give them away.
They're the only old, metal IG army I would buy and build. While I really want to do an "Enemy at the Gates" style Valhallan army, the urge isn't strong enough to do them in metal, given how infantry heavy such an army would be.
Praetorians, however...for them, I'd do the mean things to my wallet to buy enough while they were in the short "made to order" window, and I'd suck it up and deal with huge numbers of metal guys.
Out of interest, do you have a GW-only policy/requirement for your models? If not toddle over to Victoria Miniatures; her not-Praetorians are, IMO, better than the original metals and, as a bonus, you can do female troops as well as male.
Warhams-77 wrote:I dont know the official line at Gw for things like this and dont want to put the shop in trouble, but Diaz' Daemonettes (on foot and mounted) won the survey and will be available next in the Made to order program. This was posted by a GW shop on FB and should get official soon. There will be other models (preorder is Nov 19) like the Emperors Children Lord.
Frankly not surprised at hearing that. They are top of most wishlists when people discuss oopGW models and the sculpts are so cool and iconic. Have 60 of them on foot and they are much nicer looking than the plastics. Only have 7 of the Seekers though so hopefully these are included!
Kid_Kyoto wrote: I wonder if Preatorians have a following outside the UK. I remember in the NY store they complained they couldn't give them away.
They're the only old, metal IG army I would buy and build. While I really want to do an "Enemy at the Gates" style Valhallan army, the urge isn't strong enough to do them in metal, given how infantry heavy such an army would be.
Praetorians, however...for them, I'd do the mean things to my wallet to buy enough while they were in the short "made to order" window, and I'd suck it up and deal with huge numbers of metal guys.
Out of interest, do you have a GW-only policy/requirement for your models? If not toddle over to Victoria Miniatures; her not-Praetorians are, IMO, better than the original metals and, as a bonus, you can do female troops as well as male.
Only recently heard about her site. Saw some of the sculpts and they are good. Definitely would recommend as a way of building up a nice Praetorian force.
Howard A Treesong wrote: Shame it's limited to Chaos. With Genestealer Cults getting a release now would be an ideal time to do the Patriarch on the throne again.
Well... maybe they come with the 2nd generation of Daemonettes, not the Diaz ones. You'll get a lot of crushing claws for the Metamorphs then.
I've been out of the loop for a while. I looked on GW website but everything says "sold out" / "no longer available".
So, what's this made to order thing? How does it work? Seems like a limited time only type deal and everythings gone. Not exactly the most accurately titled service, in that case...
Anfauglir wrote: I've been out of the loop for a while. I looked on GW website but everything says "sold out" / "no longer available".
So, what's this made to order thing? How does it work? Seems like a limited time only type deal and everythings gone. Not exactly the most accurately titled service, in that case...
They put up a list of old minis, set to be on "sale" for 48 hours, or longer if the interest is particularly high. After all the orders are in, they cast up enough to cover all of the orders, and ship them out.
That's pretty much it, in a nutshell.
Oh, and apparently, they're cast out of whatever their original material was, so my coming minis should be metal.
H.B.M.C. wrote: How did Diaz Daemonette's win if GW were asking for Chaos Marines/Loyalist Marines to bring back? Last I checked Daemonettes were neither.
Yeah the image said Chaos Space Marines but the actual text of the post just said Chaos is general.
Plus one could argue that when the Diaznettes were still for sale their rules were in the then current CSM codex, making them 'Chaos Space Marine miniatures', I suppose.
Anfauglir wrote: I've been out of the loop for a while. I looked on GW website but everything says "sold out" / "no longer available".
So, what's this made to order thing? How does it work? Seems like a limited time only type deal and everythings gone. Not exactly the most accurately titled service, in that case...
They put up a list of old minis, set to be on "sale" for 48 hours, or longer if the interest is particularly high. After all the orders are in, they cast up enough to cover all of the orders, and ship them out.
That's pretty much it, in a nutshell.
Oh, and apparently, they're cast out of whatever their original material was, so my coming minis should be metal.
Only thing I can add on that is, that it can take what, up to 28 days? So don't expect them anytime soon. Depends on the demand it can be sooner or even later. Now I am guessing here. We don't know how or when they are being produced. I guess when ever there is a "free time slot" and then the Made to Order go in production.
There is another source on FB (GW shop) with a more specific list
Emperor's Children Lord
CSM Sorcerer with force staff and plasma pistol
CSM Khorne Lord
Daemonettes on Steeds of Slaanesh (box of 5)
Daemonettes (box of 10)
They are the Diaz sculpts.
The CSM Khorne Lord and Sorcerer (on the right) should be these
Anfauglir wrote: I've been out of the loop for a while. I looked on GW website but everything says "sold out" / "no longer available".
So, what's this made to order thing? How does it work? Seems like a limited time only type deal and everythings gone. Not exactly the most accurately titled service, in that case...
They put up a list of old minis, set to be on "sale" for 48 hours, or longer if the interest is particularly high. After all the orders are in, they cast up enough to cover all of the orders, and ship them out.
That's pretty much it, in a nutshell.
Oh, and apparently, they're cast out of whatever their original material was, so my coming minis should be metal.
Only thing I can add on that is, that it can take what, up to 28 days? So don't expect them anytime soon. Depends on the demand it can be sooner or even later. Now I am guessing here. We don't know how or when they are being produced. I guess when ever there is a "free time slot" and then the Made to Order go in production.
I'm still confused on how it works. How can they know when all the orders are in if they're only available for limited windows of time (48 hours)? When I heard they were doing a made to order service on oop models, I expected to find exactly that; you go on their webstore, find the oop model(s) you want, order them, then they make them. No one else?
Warhams-77 wrote: There is another source on FB (GW shop) with a more specific list
Emperor's Children Lord
CSM Sorcerer with force staff and plasma pistol
CSM Khorne Lord
Daemonettes on Steeds of Slaanesh (box of 5)
Daemonettes (box of 10)
They are the Diaz sculpts.
The CSM Khorne Lord and Sorcerer (on the right) should be these
Spoiler:
I still have all these models in my big black box and love them.
The Noise Marines with the guitars will be really useful. I bought 4 of them way, way back, in blister packs, and have always wished I had access to more. I have seen them sell on Ebay for $20+.
Anfauglir wrote: I've been out of the loop for a while. I looked on GW website but everything says "sold out" / "no longer available".
So, what's this made to order thing? How does it work? Seems like a limited time only type deal and everythings gone. Not exactly the most accurately titled service, in that case...
They put up a list of old minis, set to be on "sale" for 48 hours, or longer if the interest is particularly high. After all the orders are in, they cast up enough to cover all of the orders, and ship them out.
That's pretty much it, in a nutshell.
Oh, and apparently, they're cast out of whatever their original material was, so my coming minis should be metal.
Only thing I can add on that is, that it can take what, up to 28 days? So don't expect them anytime soon. Depends on the demand it can be sooner or even later. Now I am guessing here. We don't know how or when they are being produced. I guess when ever there is a "free time slot" and then the Made to Order go in production.
I'm still confused on how it works. How can they know when all the orders are in if they're only available for limited windows of time (48 hours)? When I heard they were doing a made to order service on oop models, I expected to find exactly that; you go on their webstore, find the oop model(s) you want, order them, then they make them. No one else?
they put a list of what is available on the website along with all the other pre-orders,
you're guaranteed to be able pre-order these old minis for 48 hours after which the orders are closed, although if anything is getting a lot of orders they'll extend the window until the numbers start to drop off (I think the Kasrikin squad was available for a few days more from the first batch but only for a few extra days)
they then go off an manufacture the minis and post them off (allow 28 days for manufacture, plus delivery)
if you miss the order window you've missed out this time (maybe they'll come round again in the future, maybe not as there's so much stuff they could offer/be asked for instead)
I was at my local store today picking up my Steel Legion Commissar and the manger was telling me about the next batch of made to order stuff. He mentioned that they will be available to order for a week instead of just 48 hours.
Yeaaaah.... I was one of the souls that asked for Deamonettes. I admit it, I never thought it would happen, but my wallet is ready for it! My FLGS can receive those orders for free, the stage is set , let the good times roll
There is no holdup - it is within the stated despatch within 28 days period.
Not disputing that, Reavsie, but have been seeing people confirm receipt of orders that shared some of the figures I ordered in it, making me think they've been producing one sculpt, then moving on to the next one from the list of models on offer. As a result, I was more curious as to which one of the M2O figures was the last to get to being cast, that's all.
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote: if you miss the order window you've missed out this time (maybe they'll come round again in the future, maybe not as there's so much stuff they could offer/be asked for instead)
Do they at least advertise in advance their schedule for these "special windows" of opportunity? Which models on which dates? Or are we just left waiting with our thumbs up our asses and just have to hope that we visit their site at the right time? Even when they do something that's pro-consumer, they seem to find a way to make it incredibly counterintuitive.
The next set of stuff is coming on the 19th. We have known about this for a few days. 2 weeks seems like a reasonable time to announce stuff. I wish all gw stuff was announced this early.
For info follow one of the individual stores on twitter. Gwsalisbury always shares what is coming.
This stuff always goes live on a Saturday, so check the front page of the store each week.
Or alternatively just follow this thread.
JohnHwangDD wrote: If you're not signed up, exactly how were you expecting GW would inform you of their flash sale? Telepathic link from the Emprah himself?
Well, through their YouTube channel might be a good start, to which I am subscribed by the way. Obviously, that's not good enough to be a "twue fan" though, eh? Also, I didn't think they had a FB page, but each store had their own? I wouldn't really know seeing as I barely use FB ever, troglodyte that I am. Anyhoo, you seem to be confused. I've not taken issue with the fact that I wasn't personally informed about their M2O service in advance, particularly as I already stated in my first post that I've been out of the loop for a while - God forbid I don't follow the world of mini wargaming 24/7. What I've taken issue with is the seemingly unintuitive and not-as-advertised M2O service that doesn't offer any clear information on the webstore as to how, why and when the service operates, thus my need to come to Dakka for some more information and clarification. I'm sorry* if that offends your snobbish, elitist sensibilities.
Chikout wrote: The next set of stuff is coming on the 19th. We have known about this for a few days. 2 weeks seems like a reasonable time to announce stuff. I wish all gw stuff was announced this early.
For info follow one of the individual stores on twitter. Gwsalisbury always shares what is coming.
This stuff always goes live on a Saturday, so check the front page of the store each week.
Or alternatively just follow this thread.
Eh, $70AUD for the Diaznettes is a bit steep for my pockets after all the Christmas shopping I've had to do.
If only they had done this in January. Ah well.
Admittedly $70 is cheaper than the amount they go for on eBay, so it isn't like it's a horrible price either given that this is GW we're talking about.
NivlacSupreme wrote: Yeah but they weren't really normally seen. Didn't know that thingy existed.
Not really seen? Some of the most popular miniatures by one of the best sculptors, and you claim they weren't really seen?
Agreed, my 60 walkers and 7 odd riders says otherwise! OK have I this right would that work out at €60 for 5 seekers or am I still in my cups?....in fairness still would buy
YouKnowsIt wrote: I don't have my codex to hand, can anyone confirm the unit sizes for the daemonettes please?
Daemonettes are 10-20, and Seekers are 5-20
Just so you know, apps/programs like Battlescribe can help you keep that info handy, even if you've forgotten your codex at a friends house or whatever (I know I have, before I went all digital)
If the five Chaos figures are all that go up, I have to say I'm a little disappointed with M2O Wave 2, especially compared to the range of figures that went up for the Imperial Guard.
On the other hand, it means I don't have to spend any money this time, which is a bonus.
Those Daemonettes are sweeet. But then I think, that I don't play daemons, nor I really DO wan't to play them. So I guess the only resonable reason to buy would be to resell them later. Which, in turn, means a minimum 75 quid order to get that free shipping. And a used up shelf space, bleh.
I don't even use Chaos Deamons, but I'm getting 2x Deamonettes and 1x Seekers. I'm just a sucker for models as good as these, and always wanted them in my collection.
shame they're metal - would have preferred fc (I can't believe I'm saying either). The metal one are a bit of a b to stick together. Still v tempted to get at least one box of each if not 2.
Glad I popped on, had totally forgotten about them. Just preordered two lots of Seekers and a squad of Daemonettes.. already have around forty Diaz ones mixed in with the modern plastics, but It can't hurt to have some more.
The Seekers though, rarely see those on ebay at a decent price.
Well, I've ordered a box of each, on foot and steeds. I really wanted at least two of each, but damn I just can't afford it and next months paycheck isn't until the 28th...
Dysartes wrote: If the five Chaos figures are all that go up, I have to say I'm a little disappointed with M2O Wave 2, especially compared to the range of figures that went up for the Imperial Guard.
I think they underestimated how popular they would be - I'm still waiting on my Ksarkin! (And they've pushed these new ones back to 35 days dispatch...)
They're on the US site. Interestingly, the fulfillment time is given as 35 days where the IG timeframe was only 30 days... I guess they're expecting it's going to take a while to cast enough.
I have been waiting years to get my hands on the old Daemonettes. These models are fabulous and always have been. The plastics can be thrown into an incinerator.
Now they just have to release the old Tzeentch horrors too.
Dysartes wrote: If the five Chaos figures are all that go up, I have to say I'm a little disappointed with M2O Wave 2, especially compared to the range of figures that went up for the Imperial Guard.
I think they underestimated how popular they would be - I'm still waiting on my Ksarkin! (And they've pushed these new ones back to 35 days dispatch...)
I've had my stuff through - though I suspect the extension of time is to allow for disruption to shipping due to Christmas post, as the tail end of the 28 day window (assuming it cuts off on Monday morning) would land after the last shipping dates for Christmas, while 35 days gives them into January (off the top of my head).
Not to rain on the Chaos parade, but weren't they taking requests for regular SM figures as well, or did I misinterpret that? I guess they might make up a wave 3.
Ordered the Daemonettes on steeds since I already have a box of the foot version. Also decided it was a good time to get Blood Bowl and Season 1, so I'm happy. Now just need that Imperial Agents book...
How long is the order window? I'm seriously considering a couple (3-4) boxes on foot, but I have 15 mounted in plastic. And the prices...they're less than a dollar more expensive per mini than the plastics!!
Would metal seekers/riders swap easily into the current plastic chariot kits?
Thanks for pointing out the Raging Heroes models...never seen them before!
Being honest I don't think you would want to try to convert the metal seekers to the chariot kits. I presume you would be looking at cutting the rider off the top? I know GW did a lovely conversion for the Storm of Chaos book back in 2004 if my memory serves me right but you'd need to do a lot of cutting work as the legs are a part of the seeker's upper torso. The metal daemonette's on foot would be nice replacements for the plastic crew though!
I don`t even play daemons but finally being able to buy those daemonettes is just too good of an opportunity to pass up. They are some of my favorite models GW has ever done, and they suit Slannesh so much more than the garbage plastic ones.
Would metal seekers/riders swap easily into the current plastic chariot kits?
Thanks for pointing out the Raging Heroes models...never seen them before!
Being honest I don't think you would want to try to convert the metal seekers to the chariot kits. I presume you would be looking at cutting the rider off the top? I know GW did a lovely conversion for the Storm of Chaos book back in 2004 if my memory serves me right but you'd need to do a lot of cutting work as the legs are a part of the seeker's upper torso. The metal daemonette's on foot would be nice replacements for the plastic crew though!
I can confirm that its not the easiest thing to do, I've converted on old dark elf chariot with the diaz deamonettes and seekers for my seeker chariot and it took some time before the steeds where usable for the chariot. But it can be done
I can confirm that its not the easiest thing to do, I've converted on old dark elf chariot with the diaz deamonettes and seekers for my seeker chariot and it took some time before the steeds where usable for the chariot. But it can be done
Are these 'made to order' models likely to come round again, or is it a case of: when they're gone they're gone?
I'm torn between buying a single box of daemonettes just to admire/own the models, and buying 4 boxes each of daemonettes and seekers to make an entire army.
Orrus wrote: Are these 'made to order' models likely to come round again, or is it a case of: when they're gone they're gone?
I'm torn between buying a single box of daemonettes just to admire/own the models, and buying 4 boxes each of daemonettes and seekers to make an entire army.
There are no stated plans to make any M2O items available at a later date, so you should treat it as a "last chance" buy.
Orrus wrote: Are these 'made to order' models likely to come round again, or is it a case of: when they're gone they're gone?
I'm torn between buying a single box of daemonettes just to admire/own the models, and buying 4 boxes each of daemonettes and seekers to make an entire army.
There are no stated plans to make any M2O items available at a later date, so you should treat it as a "last chance" buy.
Orrus wrote: Are these 'made to order' models likely to come round again, or is it a case of: when they're gone they're gone?
I'm torn between buying a single box of daemonettes just to admire/own the models, and buying 4 boxes each of daemonettes and seekers to make an entire army.
There are no stated plans to make any M2O items available at a later date, so you should treat it as a "last chance" buy.
Although, "last chance to buy" in GW terms might well mean that they'll be available to buy again and again in the future (as we've seen with Space Hulk and various "last chance" fantasy models that's been the last chance to buy at least three times now if my count is correct). It's a rather meaningless term at this point when coming from them.
No guarantees it'll be available again of course, but "last chance" generally isn't the last chance to get something, as long as you're ok with waiting a few years.
Last Chance means it will at least be gone for a while, and any rerun is not guaranteed. There are a lot more products that have gone last chance and never come back than those that have.
I ended up ordering 1 box of each demonettes and the EC lord. If them being on sale rolls into Dec. 8th when I get paid next you can bet I'm buying more. Other wise at least I got some for summoning. Lol
Panic wrote: yeah,
I added 3 more sets to my order...
Now I have 50 daemonettes and 20 seekers coming.
Panic...
Wow dude.
I thought I ordered a lot with 20 Nettes and 10 Seekers.
GW must be making mega cash on these old Daemons.
Local gw manager ordered 100 in total of deamonettes, cant remember how many seekers.
Who knows GW might take the hint and realise that boobs aren't scary and make some more slaanesh stuff, possibly with 2, 3 or even 4 nipples!
Hopefully this does send a message that the sexy look for slannesh is what most people want. I don't even play daemons and I bought the daemonettes and seekers cause I lvoe the models.
Hopefully this does send a message that the sexy look for slannesh is what most people want. I don't even play daemons and I bought the daemonettes and seekers cause I lvoe the models.
This wasn't the issue. The problem is the current models are utter waste--terrible sculpts based on John Blanche artwork. I'll grant some people actually like his artwork and I'm fine with that, but to use it for model design was not a sound strategy.
I never bought the current squid-head bloodletters for the same reason.
Its not the sexy look that makes them so good, its the perversion of that allure which perfectly nails the 'I'm not sure if this is attracting or repulsive' idea that Slaanesh is perfect for.
NinthMusketeer wrote: Its not the sexy look that makes them so good, its the perversion of that allure which perfectly nails the 'I'm not sure if this is attracting or repulsive' idea that Slaanesh is perfect for.
Whereas the current ones are just repulsive (the steeds are ok).
The plastics are more generic 'scary demon' types, which is fine and honestly makes for a perfectly good plastic kit. The key to note is that people who see the plastic daemonettes without having seen the Diaz ones generally think they look fine. The reality is that its only when one compares them do the plastics look so bad, and its not so much a case of the latter being low quality as the Diaz ones being just so dam good. At any rate, I think we can all be glad that they at least aren't the ones that came before Diaz...
Hopefully this does send a message that the sexy look for slannesh is what most people want. I don't even play daemons and I bought the daemonettes and seekers cause I lvoe the models.
This wasn't the issue. The problem is the current models are utter waste--terrible sculpts based on John Blanche artwork. I'll grant some people actually like his artwork and I'm fine with that, but to use it for model design was not a sound strategy.
I never bought the current squid-head bloodletters for the same reason.
That was the issue for me, besides the fact that they were hideous.
I wouldn't have minded if I got 1994 Daemonettes instead. Daemon range was at its best during early nineties (same can be said about any other army really).
I don't overly mind the actual daemonettes, but I find Diaz's ones much more appealing for looks and, weirdly enough, positioning. They look more like dancers than the new ones. Besides, yes, the new ones are based on the Blanche's stuff which, I, personally, hate. Not going to use them as 'nettes, tho, will try and make them into Sisters of Slaughter or Witch Elves for my Daughters of Khaine army.
Adam Spielmann wrote: I don't overly mind the actual daemonettes, but I find Diaz's ones much more appealing for looks and, weirdly enough, positioning. They look more like dancers than the new ones. Besides, yes, the new ones are based on the Blanche's stuff which, I, personally, hate. Not going to use them as 'nettes, tho, will try and make them into Sisters of Slaughter or Witch Elves for my Daughters of Khaine army.
Exactly. The Diaz ones are dynamic. They look swift and deadly, the sense of motion on the seekers in particular is palpable. They look like they're dancing their way through battle, and they are both alluring and frightening. All these things make them perfectly, well, Slaanesh-ey. And all these things got lost somewhere in their translation to plastic.
Adam Spielmann wrote: I don't overly mind the actual daemonettes, but I find Diaz's ones much more appealing for looks and, weirdly enough, positioning. They look more like dancers than the new ones. Besides, yes, the new ones are based on the Blanche's stuff which, I, personally, hate. Not going to use them as 'nettes, tho, will try and make them into Sisters of Slaughter or Witch Elves for my Daughters of Khaine army.
I doubt they're blanchesque - the new ones are based on several artworks and miniatures from the 80's. I like the concept, the Diaz ones are more like Giger-Alien-girls. Their poses are better though, the new ones are rather static.
That said I ordered some for conversions - possessed humans, daemonhosts or mutants for example. To each their own.
NinthMusketeer wrote: The plastics are more generic 'scary demon' types, which is fine and honestly makes for a perfectly good plastic kit. The key to note is that people who see the plastic daemonettes without having seen the Diaz ones generally think they look fine. The reality is that its only when one compares them do the plastics look so bad, and its not so much a case of the latter being low quality as the Diaz ones being just so dam good. At any rate, I think we can all be glad that they at least aren't the ones that came before Diaz...
I think you hit the problem. There is nothing wrong with the current plastic nettes. They just are a step back from the diaz nettes. Only the plastic seeker have a big problem in my opinion, namely they lack the look as if there going fast
Slinky wrote: These have all now gone to "No longer available" on the UK site,
This was true as of Monday 28th. I know because I got paid on that day, and on Sunday evening they were still for sale, then after work on Monday when I was going to get another box each of the 'Netts and Seekers, they'd been taken down.
NinthMusketeer wrote: The plastics are more generic 'scary demon' types, which is fine and honestly makes for a perfectly good plastic kit. The key to note is that people who see the plastic daemonettes without having seen the Diaz ones generally think they look fine. The reality is that its only when one compares them do the plastics look so bad, and its not so much a case of the latter being low quality as the Diaz ones being just so dam good. At any rate, I think we can all be glad that they at least aren't the ones that came before Diaz...
I own all the daemonette variants, but still prefer the current plastics. They take design elements from all the past versions and do a good job of keeping it coherent. The anatomy sculpting is also excellent for their scale. The claws and feet for instance have far superior details. They are the closet to the original Slave to Darkness source material in appearance. It's just a shame that the aren't in running poses though. The Daiznettes don't really fit with what their supposed to represent but they are lovely sculpts all the same.
I'd love to see a plastic kit that combines the best elements of both. I vastly prefer the current plastic steeds of slaanesh to the Diaz ones though. While Diaz definitely got the posing on the steeds better (and WAY batter for the riders) they seem too bland and lacking detail (not to mention a bit small) to me. The current steeds have lots of good detail and variation between models while still all fitting within a distinct aesthetic, and only lack the same sense of speed. While the saddle look doesn't fit daemonettes as well as Diaz's posing I will say that it is great for converting since it means seeker riders and hellstrider riders are fully compatable (since both kits have the same steeds), and even the steeds from chariot kits can have riders swapped freely.
As a sidenote, the Mordheim video game does an excellent job in making the current daemonette variety 'feel' slaanesh via their animations and posing.
NinthMusketeer wrote: The plastics are more generic 'scary demon' types, which is fine and honestly makes for a perfectly good plastic kit. The key to note is that people who see the plastic daemonettes without having seen the Diaz ones generally think they look fine. The reality is that its only when one compares them do the plastics look so bad, and its not so much a case of the latter being low quality as the Diaz ones being just so dam good. At any rate, I think we can all be glad that they at least aren't the ones that came before Diaz...
It's wierd, I never see any one group claim to speak for everyone as often as I do Diaznette fans. For the record there are plenty of folk out there who've seen all the various types of Daemonettes and still prefer the design of the plastic ones, I've spoken to several and I'm one myself. If you like them, great, but I wish folk would stop pretending their personal aesthetic preference is somehow objectively correct and universal.
JohnHwangDD wrote: The Diazettes are lovely, and they are Daemons, so they can be anything they want.
True they are daemons; and the hanging accessory breasts do fit one of Slaanesh's themes. But...they aren't androgynous or "obviously" hermaphroditic like in the background.
What I like about the Diaz Nettes is that they represented the "alluring" look of the fluff. Mortals would be entranced by them until they got too close, then the Nettes would get all ugly and vicious, and it would be too late for the poor mortal to raise their guard again The new plastics have none of that. They are ugly and vicious 24/7 (still look cool, though)
Ideally, the plastic kit should have had a mix of both in the same aesthetic. A few sensuous poses (which you could argue there are) and heads with beautiful faces, along with some aggressive poses and monstrous faces. I personally cut the tails off of all of mine and green-stuffed the other breast and that was all I needed to "recapture" the alluring look that the Diaznettes had and the new plastics lost.
I wish I had the money this time around to get a box of Seekers though. I don't like how big the plastics are. Seriously, they make better Fiends than Seekers. The Diaz Seekers look awesome and represent T3, 1W models much better.
NinthMusketeer wrote: The plastics are more generic 'scary demon' types, which is fine and honestly makes for a perfectly good plastic kit. The key to note is that people who see the plastic daemonettes without having seen the Diaz ones generally think they look fine. The reality is that its only when one compares them do the plastics look so bad, and its not so much a case of the latter being low quality as the Diaz ones being just so dam good. At any rate, I think we can all be glad that they at least aren't the ones that came before Diaz...
It's wierd, I never see any one group claim to speak for everyone as often as I do Diaznette fans. For the record there are plenty of folk out there who've seen all the various types of Daemonettes and still prefer the design of the plastic ones, I've spoken to several and I'm one myself. If you like them, great, but I wish folk would stop pretending their personal aesthetic preference is somehow objectively correct and universal.
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...agreed!
That would be great - but, this is the Internet, so the best we can hope for here is that people will at least remain polite while doing it!
JohnHwangDD wrote: I'm thinking I have just about all of the Inquisition / Ecclesiarchy models that I might want. But who knows, maybe something might catch my eye...
Certainly, if it's thrown hard enough.
Weren't most of the Inquisition models released in finecast or resin? What is left to bring back in metal, the second half of the range that consisted of the minis in the first half with weapon swaps ad slight alterations?
JohnHwangDD wrote: I'm thinking I have just about all of the Inquisition / Ecclesiarchy models that I might want. But who knows, maybe something might catch my eye...
Certainly, if it's thrown hard enough.
Weren't most of the Inquisition models released in finecast or resin? What is left to bring back in metal, the second half of the range that consisted of the minis in the first half with weapon swaps ad slight alterations?
All of the ones I own are metal, but I suppose it's possible that some were remastered as resin. Haven't seen any, though. And it's not like I need any more Sisters. At this point, it's picking up the Inquisition odds & ends, just for variety's sake.
There might be a few Inquisition things I still don't have, plus picking up some of the more interesting SoB minis would be nice. I don't own any SoBs (other than a Sister Hospitaller).
I'm a bit sad they put two of the three female inquisitor variants but not the one with the Flamer. I already have the mace and plasma one and would love a full set!
Do we know if this is the whole lot for this weekend or if there is more coming?
I'm not far off buying one of each but was hoping for the old metal servo skulls too.
Bummer. What a missed opportunity. I was looking forward to long-OOP Inquisitorial henchmen such as Hierophant, Scribe, Mystic or pretty much any retinue-worthy models
Missed chance at so many cool models. But hey I can't buy them all the cool stuff and eat this month. So this might be better. Also jay the space pope is back : D
Good to see Keith and Plasma missionary back on sale. A big shame there's no Inquisitor Lorr though.
he's my absolute favourite miniature I never managed to get a copy of.
Plant wrote: Good to see Keith and Plasma missionary back on sale. A big shame there's no Inquisitor Lorr though.
he's my absolute favourite miniature I never managed to get a copy of.
Inquisitor Lorr is definitely 100% attainable if you just look on eBay. Prices are not even that unreasonable.
Hmm... I could get Kyrinov and the Assassin. I was hoping for more Inquisition Retinue models, along with the classic Cannoness. Oh, well. Maybe another time.
The priests are still some of my favorite GW sulpts...I'm surprised they still sell a couple on the webstore and that these have been out of print (they came out at the same time).
Crazyterran wrote: Didn't forge world remake those old servo skulls in resin? Idk if they are still available, though.
Good call there - vaguely rememeber that. To forgeworld!
Just to be pedantic, Forge World do sell a pack of four servo-skulls, but they're different models to the ones GW used to sell as part of the Witch- and Daemonhunters ranges.
If you ask fellow Space Marine players or look for bits sellers, you get two with every Devastator Squad box, too.
Great to see that original Imperial Assassin model again. He was the most feared figure in all of 2nd Ed. Popping out of one of your best squads of troops using camoline, then hucking a vortex grenade onto your best stuff...
I once got every single phoenix lord and Eldrad Ulthuan when they were bunched up behind some cover. Instant concession for my Eldar opponent.
I remember originally you could have the assassin appear from a squad of anything (terminators, etc.) using camoline, And they could be in full terminator Armor riding a bike with pretty much 'whatever' weapons you wanted them armed with. Total OP/Borken, I know, but it was fun.
1st and second ed. were weird, and over detailed, but still enjoyable to play.
1st Ed. was like a pizza with all the toppings, just not a very substantial crust.
2nd Ed. was a better crust, but only a few toppings.
3rd Ed. was a slice of bread with ketchup on it...
gobskrag 'eadbasha wrote: As much as I appreciate the made to order program, I kinda wish they'd redo some fantasy plastics. It seems like they're only doing 40k metals.
It's like robbing banks - gotta go where the money is...
A lot of minis I was always a fan of, but part of expensive all metal armies I could never collect. Going to need to pick up some of these now or never it seems. Many make a cool inquisition kill team with the minis
I remember originally you could have the assassin appear from a squad of anything (terminators, etc.) using camoline, And they could be in full terminator Armor riding a bike with pretty much 'whatever' weapons you wanted them armed with. Total OP/Borken, I know, but it was fun.
Having experienced this from the other side of the table, no, it was not fun.
You guys are lucky, my Lord Solar Macharius shipped on Monday... been waiting a while for it, and now that my Black Friday stuff has arrived the excitement is all but gone
I remember originally you could have the assassin appear from a squad of anything (terminators, etc.) using camoline, And they could be in full terminator Armor riding a bike with pretty much 'whatever' weapons you wanted them armed with. Total OP/Borken, I know, but it was fun.
Having experienced this from the other side of the table, no, it was not fun.
Not even a little bit.
Don't worry, it happened to me more times than I can recount as well. It's not like there were any less SM players back then, though, IG, Inquisition, and I think even squats could use the imperial assassins. It forced me to center strategies around not having any troops anywhere near valuable units.
The other OP unit I remember was the decked out eldar exarch. Once the 2nd Ed. Eldar codex came out you could create an eldar exarch with a brighlance, warp spider jump generator, and armor piercing ammo. That thing could crack any vehicle wide open. I played a game where one of these things took down an (armorcast) warhound titan, while the Phoenix lord Fugen took down an (armorcast) reiver with his 'fire ax'. Apocalypse games back then were quite unbalanced and time consuming to play, but always a good time.
I remember originally you could have the assassin appear from a squad of anything (terminators, etc.) using camoline, And they could be in full terminator Armor riding a bike with pretty much 'whatever' weapons you wanted them armed with. Total OP/Borken, I know, but it was fun.
I think you are misremembering
Polymorphine wargear card had restrictions on armour saves and no heavy weapons/vehicle crewmen, so no terminators. Also any equipment to model carried was dropped in favour of the assassins weapons.
I remember originally you could have the assassin appear from a squad of anything (terminators, etc.) using camoline, And they could be in full terminator Armor riding a bike with pretty much 'whatever' weapons you wanted them armed with. Total OP/Borken, I know, but it was fun.
I think you are misremembering
Polymorphine wargear card had restrictions on armour saves and no heavy weapons/vehicle crewmen, so no terminators. Also any equipment to model carried was dropped in favour of the assassins weapons.
I remember originally you could have the assassin appear from a squad of anything (terminators, etc.) using camoline, And they could be in full terminator Armor riding a bike with pretty much 'whatever' weapons you wanted them armed with. Total OP/Borken, I know, but it was fun.
I think you are misremembering
Polymorphine wargear card had restrictions on armour saves and no heavy weapons/vehicle crewmen, so no terminators. Also any equipment to model carried was dropped in favour of the assassins weapons.
That was after they Nerfed it
Yup! I distinctly remember the issue of white dwarf where Andy Chambers did an FAQ (may have been the first one ever), and he slammed the nerf hammer on it. You definitely couldn't use vehicle crew, and I think the heavy weapon part is right also.
You were unable to remove a model with a heavy weapon, but not all terminators had heavy weapons. Back then all they had were assault cannons and Cyclone launchers, but you needed to have 5 terminators in a squad to use those. Later, either from the FAQ, or when the released the 2nd Ed. Assassin's codex, the Calidus assassin's card specifically stated the armor save had to be under a certain value to use plymorphine (which I have been mistakenly referring to as 'camoline'...).
I remember originally you could have the assassin appear from a squad of anything (terminators, etc.) using camoline, And they could be in full terminator Armor riding a bike with pretty much 'whatever' weapons you wanted them armed with. Total OP/Borken, I know, but it was fun.
I think you are misremembering
Polymorphine wargear card had restrictions on armour saves and no heavy weapons/vehicle crewmen, so no terminators. Also any equipment to model carried was dropped in favour of the assassins weapons.
Before the Temple assassins were introduced, there was just the Assassin from the Imperial Agents list in the Codex Imperialis booklet. That guy could take any wargear he liked - Terminator armour, a bike, Vortex grenades, combi-weapons, ...
You're right that when an Assassin using Polymorphine revealed himself, he discarded the wargear that the disguise had, but he usually had plenty of his own anyway.
There was one battle report - Space Wolves vs Eldar, IIRC - where an Assassin was used. Just the Space Wolves player looking at the Howling Banshees near to the Farseer was enough to get the Eldar player moving them away. Eventually, the Assassin revealed himself as a Warp Spider (causing the three remaining Eldar to fail a panic test!) and spent most of the rest of the game fighting an Eldar Dreadnought in close combat while hopped up on combat stimulants.
ANNNNDDDD...
RIP Celestine
Even your "Divine Intervention" Rule Cannot Save you from GW putting your model on "Last Chance to Buy"
Literally the Biggest Middle Finger GW could have Given to SoB Players
commander dante wrote: ANNNNDDDD...
RIP Celestine
Even your "Divine Intervention" Rule Cannot Save you from GW putting your model on "Last Chance to Buy"
Literally the Biggest Middle Finger GW could have Given to SoB Players
There's no way they're removing Celestine from the game, especially seeing as all the other Sister models are still in production. The only reason they would remove Celestine and no other Sister models is because they're either
a) retooling Celestine in finecast
b) doing a new Celestine in plastic
Dreadclaw69 wrote: I'm sorry if I missed this earlier in the thread but are these available through the US portal, or do they have to be ordered through the UK portal?
they'll appear on the US site at some point today (they go live for the UK at 10am uk time, and for the Usa at 10am east or west (can't remember which) coast time)
skullking wrote:Apocalypse games back then were quite unbalanced and time consuming to play, but always a good time.
To be fair, Apocalypse games were never really intended to be balanced. They were the original "unbound" rules. Field what you want regardless of points and have fun. Anything beyond that was house rules. (Which we used several times!)
Mymearan wrote:There's no way they're removing Celestine from the game, especially seeing as all the other Sister models are still in production. The only reason they would remove Celestine and no other Sister models is because they're either
a) retooling Celestine in finecast
b) doing a new Celestine in plastic
for an upcoming Codex.
Yeah, because GW has never removed a model/rules from a game without replacing them with something else...
Also, I just noticed that Assassinorum Execution Force is in the "Last Chance to Buy" section!
Mymearan wrote: There's no way they're removing Celestine from the game, especially seeing as all the other Sister models are still in production. The only reason they would remove Celestine and no other Sister models is because they're either
a) retooling Celestine in finecast
b) doing a new Celestine in plastic
for an upcoming Codex.
a) "Finecast" Celestine is a given.
b) No way Celestine goes plastic, given that all of the armies that actually sell models got SCs in plastic, but the new Caness is resin.
No way Sisters get a separate Codex from Imperial Agents. C:IA is the new Sisters Codex.
commander dante wrote: ANNNNDDDD...
RIP Celestine
Even your "Divine Intervention" Rule Cannot Save you from GW putting your model on "Last Chance to Buy"
Literally the Biggest Middle Finger GW could have Given to SoB Players
Well, they did do that to the immolator and look what popped up again. Or maybe they're working on a resculpt for the plastic release.
commander dante wrote: ANNNNDDDD...
RIP Celestine
Even your "Divine Intervention" Rule Cannot Save you from GW putting your model on "Last Chance to Buy"
Literally the Biggest Middle Finger GW could have Given to SoB Players
Well, they did do that to the immolator and look what popped up again. Or maybe they're working on a resculpt for the plastic release.
I fully expect her back as a Lord of War.
Not like an oversized model or anything, just a clampack but a great new sculpt.
Ordered the 2 female Inquisitors, a battle sister and one of the 2003 Inquisitors I didn't have. Spent less than I would on ebay, more than I should have since I have about 40 pounds of unpainted metal.
Can I order them tomorrow or do I have to let my sick GF got to bed alone and order more stuff for the pile of shame? I alread missed bidding on KD stuff today, d'oh.
Our Made to Order service has already brought back dozens of Warhammer 40,000 miniatures, and soon, Warhammer Age of Sigmar will get its turn.
So we want to know: what would you like to see?
We’re looking for suggestions for any older models for factions within the Grand Alliance: Order book - Aelfs, Free Peoples, Seraphon, Sylvaneth, Duardin - whatever. If there are any models for those armies that are out of production, but you would still like to add to your force, let us know, and we’ll see what we can do.
Judging by the text accompanying the picture, Bretonnians aren't included!! And Tomb Kings, I assume, would fall under the Death category! However, I'm sure if enough people asked from some of the old Bret character models they'd drop a few of them!
you've got to have over 300 painted infantry there.
