Seriously it might just be me, but looking at the styles of the other races and such, the Necrons just dont look like they fit for me. The colorscheme they're presented with on GW is possibly one of the most cliche ever, though I know they come in different colors.

Anyone else feeling this?

I'm not sure about the aesthetic of them, but they do definitely fit in the fluff. In story terms they are the most important playable race, since their war in heaven affected almost every other race (all of them if your a conspiracy theorist regarding the tau and tyranids).

I love the look of necrons. If I wasn't so keen on orks and their ramshackle look, I'd probably already be playing them! Fluff-wise, they're quite a diverse faction and they've had a huge impact on the setting itself. The war in heaven was one of the most important conflicts in 40K history, it's right up there with the Horus heresy.

 Daggy-Chan wrote:
Anyone else feeling this?

I still believe GW should have stopped releasing new armies in 1998/1999.

They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

I thought it was the other way around. The Necrons captured the C'tan and use them for their own means now.

 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

Not really led by C'tan anymore since they were shattered by the Necrons after The War in Heaven. There doesn't appear to be any "whole" C'tan, just very powerful Shards of them. A good number of them are under the control of the various Necron Dynasties. The main goal for Necrons now is reclaiming their old empire, and to find suitable hosts to transfer their souls into.

Davor wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

I thought it was the other way around. The Necrons captured the C'tan and use them for their own means now.

Here we have an example of a Necron whose memory engram was damaged during stasis.

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 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

That's not quite true anymore. They actually have goals, and not all of it requires just wiping out every other race. They're more oriented around building up their once great empire, and some Dynasties are evn looking for possible new hosts so they can become organic again. Hell, some of them even have a sense of honor. And the C'tan's are just the ones that basically enslaved their minds within the machines, yes, but the Necrons turned against them and shattered them into tons of shards, which they now use to their own advantage.


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 Sillycybin wrote:
I think they need to knock the necrons down a few notches, there power level is too high to be functional, and arguments with people about their fluff basically ends in they are invincible and emperor save us if they all wake up.

This does not make an entertaining or interesting story.

Even Goku dies.

Necrons can die, it's just difficult to do so. Just like in fluff, Space marines are supposed to be so much more tougher than they are in the game, they should be able to take on anything with ease, because why not?


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 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

Not really led by C'tan anymore since they were shattered by the Necrons after The War in Heaven. There doesn't appear to be any "whole" C'tan, just very powerful Shards of them. A good number of them are under the control of the various Necron Dynasties. The main goal for Necrons now is reclaiming their old empire, and to find suitable hosts to transfer their souls into.

I spoke before reading your post of already explaining what I was talking about. Whoops. But on point!

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 Sillycybin wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:



Necrons can die

I've never seen a convincing argument for this. Most people will just argue that these things get phased back to wherever they came from. That there are millions of planets they come from. Protected by technologies that keep away the tyranids, the warp and if all that fails then they still have the ctan and the most powerful technology in all of 40k. The old oncs couldn't beat them, the eldar couldn't beat them, humans can't beat them, chaos cant beat them, the tyranids can't beat them, the orks were made to beat them but be able to unite to beat them faster then they would wake up and unite to beat the orks.

They even run circles around the ultramarines in the fluff.

Best ground soldiers, best spaceships.

Nothing beats them. It's lame.

I think you're exaggerating a bit. Yes, they phase out back to wherever they came from, which is typically a ship in orbit or somewhere else on the planet, so it is hard to actually kill them, but there is even a reference of Necron warriors letting out agonizing robotic screams when they die, and they explode with a bright light. Plus, kill their reanimation chambers on their ship, or planet, or if they're teleporting to another planet somewhere else, destroy it there, they can't come back. In fact, there's a story of a Necron Cryptek who was so full of himself, but the Sisters of Battle destroyed his "phasing-out" machine after all the other dead necrons phased out, leaving him there to get curb stomped by sisters, and he actually DIED. So it does happen.

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In the codex is says they get to a point where they are no longer reparable. There is a limit to how much they can take.

Also rough riders defeated the a necron army... So I am guessing it doesnt take too much...

Davor wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

I thought it was the other way around. The Necrons captured the C'tan and use them for their own means now.

That's the hoax version of the fluff. TruCron players know the actual stuff.

The NewCron version is a forged piece of history by the Empire of Men in order to calm the civil population and draw their attention away from the ever-growing threat the C'tan and their fellow minions pose to the universe. A quite understandable move seeing that the Empire of Men is struggling heavily, dealing with both inner and outer enemies and being spread dangerously thin. On the other hand, making up wrong facts to lessen the impact Necrons have on the citizens can come back quite easily as soon as the Necrons are awakened and The Nightbringer decides to destroy the solar system.

Or The Outsider releases his madness and tears everything apart. Or The Deceiver manipulates the Ordo Mechanicus to release The Void Dragon. *How* the end of all things may come isn't clear. The only safe thing to say is that all ends with The Nightbringer's evil grin and a deep sense of satisfaction. One last breath and all falls apart.

Davor wrote:
I thought it was the other way around. The Necrons captured the C'tan and use them for their own means now.

Well, they basically destroyed them and continued by using the remaining parts.

I think they did before they got their new fluff.

 Sigvatr wrote:

Davor wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

I thought it was the other way around. The Necrons captured the C'tan and use them for their own means now.

That's the hoax version of the fluff. TruCron players know the actual stuff.

The NewCron version is a forged piece of history by the Empire of Men in order to calm the civil population and draw their attention away from the ever-growing threat the C'tan and their fellow minions pose to the universe. A quite understandable move seeing that the Empire of Men is struggling heavily, dealing with both inner and outer enemies and being spread dangerously thin. On the other hand, making up wrong facts to lessen the impact Necrons have on the citizens can come back quite easily as soon as the Necrons are awakened and The Nightbringer decides to destroy the solar system.

Or The Outsider releases his madness and tears everything apart. Or The Deceiver manipulates the Ordo Mechanicus to release The Void Dragon. *How* the end of all things may come isn't clear. The only safe thing to say is that all ends with The Nightbringer's evil grin and a deep sense of satisfaction. One last breath and all falls apart.

Actually, I would think the older fluff would be more along the lines of Imperial Propaganda. Remember, the Imperium thinks Xenos are abominations that need to be destroyed. Making them more relatable would be against everything they stand for.

I love that my squats got douched because no one in the office "felt the inner creative fire" when it came time to write their new codex, and I never did get a Hrud army. (Give me space skaven damn it), but we got Necrons and Tau.

Necron lore bores me, just like Tyranid lore. I'd have been happy if Crons, Tau and Nids all fell into a blackhole one day.

Litcheur wrote:

 Daggy-Chan wrote:
Anyone else feeling this?

I still believe GW should have stopped releasing new armies in 1998/1999.

Then the Necrons get to stay, as they were a playable army before that. They are part of the Eldritch horror of the setting.

We need necrons because it lets us build an army in which all units have been converted to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

I remember more than a few threads like this saying the Tau don't belong, even before the Tau got their power buff.

The galaxy is a big place. If there is room for Demons,Tyranids, Tau, Orks, two different kinds of Eldar, and about a dozen different flavours of humans, there is room for some cyborgs.

 TheCustomLime wrote:


Actually, I would think the older fluff would be more along the lines of Imperial Propaganda. Remember, the Imperium thinks Xenos are abominations that need to be destroyed. Making them more relatable would be against everything they stand for.

In the contrary! By making the Necrons and, more importantly, the C'tan look far weaker than they actually are, the Imperium tries to calm its weak people. The C'tan being shattered in pieces losing their power, the Necrons not being united but instead being shattered in minor factions, the Necrons now following a code of honor and talking like a drunk French philosophican - all those are (rather poor) attempts to make the Necrons look weak and like a threat the Imperium can manage to defeat.

But in reality, they face corporeal gods with powers far beyond mankind's imagination - not a rotting corpse sitting on a golden throne, actual, corporeal gods with reality-bending abilities, able to tear space and time apart with a single strike. In reality, the Necrons are fully united threat, all following the same goal, all being (mis)led by the C'tan. A huge silver tide, that is slowly rising, ready to drown all infidels that oppose it, finally swallowing the entire universe whole, leaving nothing behind. Telling stories of an enemy that cannot be defeated by the Imperium would greatly weaken their ranks and the trust they receive, so they try to cover it up with lies. But in the end, their lies will com swinging back at them, when the Necrons are fully awakened and The Nightbringer swallows Terra. Children will Death itself before them just before being eradicated out of existence. The Emperor's corpse will shed a single last tear and weep for the universe that has finally been lost, with all of his struggles being in vain.

Maybe, MAYBE it made sense in the IoM's point of view that this first i the truth and the second is an elaborate lie.

But why on earth would the eldar follow the same assumptions? they were THERE when the original necrons existed, they KNOW they are not what they used to be.

Inner-necron fighting (and perma-killing) also removes any shard of possibility that they are mindless drones serving a single purpose.

The Necrons fit in great. They are the only race capable of stopping the nids.

The Necrons are the only fit. All other life must be expunged.

the OP knowing or not has touched upon one of the great contrivorsies of 40k. You see, According to the folks at GW and Matt Ward.... he was absolutly right. hence why the necron fluff was revised to give them personality. because prior to their 5th ed codex, crons had the LEAST personality out of any army. even the 'nid hive fleets are depicted as having varying degrees of distinct personality.

I was never into Tau or Necrons when they got added. They look like tack-ons for market appeal. The Tau were the obvious anime-mech angle but I never thought they looked bad. just out of place.

Necrons though? Terminator rip-offs. Snooze. "We'll Be Back!" Totally not a T2 rip-off. They should get motorcycles and an Asta-la-byebye rule too.

From a purely aesthetic perspective, I think the Necrons fit in fine with the GrimDark (frowny faced robots, huge monoliths, all black and metal, how much more grim and dark can you get?!?)

Its their fluff I've sort of had problems with. OldCron fluff made them the ultimate McGuffins, the C'Tan were the cause of every major conflict, ever, and were so vastly powerful that they could easily wipe out the galaxy (which meant they really didn't need those tin foil footsloggers). Their legions didn't speak, just popped in, murdered everybody, and popped out, all to complete their "Mysterious Agenda". It was cool in some aspects starting out, but with the 3rd edition codex, it was just corny.

NewCron fluff is a bit more robust and less gimmicky, but its still too over the top in how it presents the Necrons. Necrons are so bad-ass, they killed the very gods that created them and allowed them to take over the galaxy, and now they use the pieces of those same gods to do their bidding. Necrons are so bad, they troll Space Marines just for fun. Necrons are so bad, they might be convinced to take a look at this bug problem everybody is always yammering about, when they get around to it. Necrons are so bad, they collect real-life armies of other races like 40K players collect toy armies. Necrons are so bad, they have a device that can kill entire solar systems at the click of a button, but don't feel like using it at the moment. You get the picture. Ward's take on them is just too much.

Personally, I'd like to see a mix of the two fluffs, put the C'Tan back in control but make them a little less involved with ALL of the history of the 40K universe, keep the dynasties and the high ranking Crons with personalities, drop some of the more goofy "We So Bad" pieces.

Necrons are so bad-ass?

I was just reading a piece of Damnos-fluff.
Apparently Ultramarines don't get distracted by a T C'tan, one-hit an Overlord and then they do a backflip while throwing a Vortex-grenade to the C'tan.. Without getting a scratch!

If you want to talk about forced, annoying and totally unbelievable bad-ass stuff you might want to focus that range on Space Marines and especially Ultramarines

 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

This is completely incorrect. First off the Necrons at one time were led by the C'tan during the Red Harvests. The Necrons would wipe out entire worlds and the C'tan would consume the energies to become more powerful so as to kill off the Old Ones. Once the War in Heaven ended and the Old Ones defeated, the Silent King turns on the C'tan and in a horrible, casualty filled mutiny imprisoned the C'tan and went into the deep sleep to recover and let the Eldar "die out" because they were so depleted from beating the C'tan that they couldn't engage the Eldar and win.

Necrons only want to rule the universe once again. Total destruction of all life is NOT what they want because they hope to one day undo the process of biotransferrance to get their souls back in some way.

As to the op, I feel they fit perfectly because as others said, the War in Heaven was one of the most significant events to happen in the galaxy.

I disagree with the fluff being generic as well.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

This is completely incorrect. First off the Necrons at one time were led by the C'tan during the Red Harvests. The Necrons would wipe out entire worlds and the C'tan would consume the energies to become more powerful so as to kill off the Old Ones. Once the War in Heaven ended and the Old Ones defeated, the Silent King turns on the C'tan and in a horrible, casualty filled mutiny imprisoned the C'tan and went into the deep sleep to recover and let the Eldar "die out" because they were so depleted from beating the C'tan that they couldn't engage the Eldar and win.

Necrons only want to rule the universe once again. Total destruction of all life is NOT what they want because they hope to one day undo the process of biotransferrance to get their souls back in some way.

You just recited the hoax fluff - which is fine, if you like it, but this ain't the real fluff. As stated above, this is the Empire of Man's made-up version of the fluff to fool their naive citizens and calm them, well-knowing they do not stand a chance against a full-fledged Necron force, fully awakened and with support by corporeal gods, the C'tan, with powers beyond imagination. Facing so many enemies at once, the empire being stretched out beyond hope and with their leader being no more than a rotting corpse, hope is all that mere mortals still have. But in the end, even this small flame of hope will be swallowed by The Nightbringer, his brothers and his fellow minions, the Necrons.

Believe in the lies spread by the Empire of Men, let them calm your fears, but be aware that the realization of truth will cut deeply. Not as deep as The Nightbringer's scythe, though, tearing Terra and the rest of the universe apart, while the Void Dragon breaks free, The Deceiver fooling whatever resistence there might still be and The Outsider releasing his madness in a burst of destruction.

All life will die at the hand of the C'tan and the Necrons. Death will triumph a last time before the curtains close. Forever.

I like the old killing machine fluff over the new political savvy 'crons.

 Sillycybin wrote:

Even Goku dies.

this is the best post

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

This is completely incorrect. First off the Necrons at one time were led by the C'tan during the Red Harvests. The Necrons would wipe out entire worlds and the C'tan would consume the energies to become more powerful so as to kill off the Old Ones. Once the War in Heaven ended and the Old Ones defeated, the Silent King turns on the C'tan and in a horrible, casualty filled mutiny imprisoned the C'tan and went into the deep sleep to recover and let the Eldar "die out" because they were so depleted from beating the C'tan that they couldn't engage the Eldar and win.

Necrons only want to rule the universe once again. Total destruction of all life is NOT what they want because they hope to one day undo the process of biotransferrance to get their souls back in some way.

You just recited the hoax fluff - which is fine, if you like it, but this ain't the real fluff. As stated above, this is the Empire of Man's made-up version of the fluff to fool their naive citizens and calm them, well-knowing they do not stand a chance against a full-fledged Necron force, fully awakened and with support by corporeal gods, the C'tan, with powers beyond imagination. Facing so many enemies at once, the empire being stretched out beyond hope and with their leader being no more than a rotting corpse, hope is all that mere mortals still have. But in the end, even this small flame of hope will be swallowed by The Nightbringer, his brothers and his fellow minions, the Necrons.

Believe in the lies spread by the Empire of Men, let them calm your fears, but be aware that the realization of truth will cut deeply. Not as deep as The Nightbringer's scythe, though, tearing Terra and the rest of the universe apart, while the Void Dragon breaks free, The Deceiver fooling whatever resistence there might still be and The Outsider releasing his madness in a burst of destruction.

All life will die at the hand of the C'tan and the Necrons. Death will triumph a last time before the curtains close. Forever.

I haven't found anything anywhere to support your claim that the story is lies spread by the Imperium...source?

There is no source for his claim. He's just butthurt about the new 'Cron Dex that dared to make the Necrons something more than metal Tyranids.

Didn't think so

Although Oldcrons being the unknowable evil was more to my liking. Especially where they were turning humans into Pariahs to fight the warp.

Too much exposition can cheapen things.

I guess I am lucky. My son started Necrons and I bought Necrons for him when they got their 5th edition codex. I like it a lot. I like the new history for Necrons.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
They have the most generic fluff ever, so it fits perfectly. They are a huge mass of mindless robots aiming for nothing but the total destruction of all life that there is, led by corporeal gods, the C'tan.

Their fluff is extremely streamlined and straight-forward and so are the army's visuals.

This is completely incorrect. First off the Necrons at one time were led by the C'tan during the Red Harvests. The Necrons would wipe out entire worlds and the C'tan would consume the energies to become more powerful so as to kill off the Old Ones. Once the War in Heaven ended and the Old Ones defeated, the Silent King turns on the C'tan and in a horrible, casualty filled mutiny imprisoned the C'tan and went into the deep sleep to recover and let the Eldar "die out" because they were so depleted from beating the C'tan that they couldn't engage the Eldar and win.

Necrons only want to rule the universe once again. Total destruction of all life is NOT what they want because they hope to one day undo the process of biotransferrance to get their souls back in some way.

As to the op, I feel they fit perfectly because as others said, the War in Heaven was one of the most significant events to happen in the galaxy.

I disagree with the fluff being generic as well.

*sheds a tear* Twas beautifully explained.


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Kangodo wrote:
Necrons are so bad-ass?

I was just reading a piece of Damnos-fluff.
Apparently Ultramarines don't get distracted by a T C'tan, one-hit an Overlord and then they do a backflip while throwing a Vortex-grenade to the C'tan.. Without getting a scratch!

If you want to talk about forced, annoying and totally unbelievable bad-ass stuff you might want to focus that range on Space Marines and especially Ultramarines

Yeah, screw Ultramarines.

I like the necrons. Kinda wish I would have made them my main army instead of Chaos Marines. Maybe I need to army swap someone.

 Murdius Maximus wrote:


I haven't found anything anywhere to support your claim that the story is lies spread by the Imperium...source?

If you wish to educate thyself about the true story of the Necrons, the C'tan and the horror they pose to the weak human race and all life in the entire universe, then have a look at the first hand information provided in the fluff part of Codex: Necrons that, unfortunately, has been split off in a different book in order to boost sales for GW once again. Instead of being forced to only read second-hand material in form of forged stories about the Necrons, written to calm the endless cries of fears of the Imperium's naive minions, you will be presented with first-hand information offering great insight in what the Necrons actually are. Be aware, though, that I cannot be held responsible for any nightmare-ridden nights you may then suffer from after being confronted with the cold and harsh truth about the end of all things. But be assured, however, that knowing the truth will make the desperation feel more comforting than believing in the Imperium's lies. If you dare.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Murdius Maximus wrote:


I haven't found anything anywhere to support your claim that the story is lies spread by the Imperium...source?

If you wish to educate thyself about the true story of the Necrons, the C'tan and the horror they pose to the weak human race and all life in the entire universe, then have a look at the first hand information provided in the fluff part of Codex: Necrons that, unfortunately, has been split off in a different book in order to boost sales for GW once again. Instead of being forced to only read second-hand material in form of forged stories about the Necrons, written to calm the endless cries of fears of the Imperium's naive minions, you will be presented with first-hand information offering great insight in what the Necrons actually are. Be aware, though, that I cannot be held responsible for any nightmare-ridden nights you may then suffer from after being confronted with the cold and harsh truth about the end of all things. But be assured, however, that knowing the truth will make the desperation feel more comforting than believing in the Imperium's lies. If you dare.

Our rightful leader "The Silent King" wants to have a word with you

I think this Sigvatr dude might have delved a bit too much into the hobby...
And possibly needs medications x_X

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Murdius Maximus wrote:


I haven't found anything anywhere to support your claim that the story is lies spread by the Imperium...source?

If you wish to educate thyself about the true story of the Necrons, the C'tan and the horror they pose to the weak human race and all life in the entire universe, then have a look at the first hand information provided in the fluff part of Codex: Necrons that, unfortunately, has been split off in a different book in order to boost sales for GW once again. Instead of being forced to only read second-hand material in form of forged stories about the Necrons, written to calm the endless cries of fears of the Imperium's naive minions, you will be presented with first-hand information offering great insight in what the Necrons actually are. Be aware, though, that I cannot be held responsible for any nightmare-ridden nights you may then suffer from after being confronted with the cold and harsh truth about the end of all things. But be assured, however, that knowing the truth will make the desperation feel more comforting than believing in the Imperium's lies. If you dare.

I have tried to type an appropriate response to this three times now. And deleted them simply because not only do I have no idea what you are talking about, but I strongly suspect you don't either

Sigvatr is just in Denial that Necrons got updated and aren't Terminators anymore. I know alot of people try to hang onto old fluff, but the fluff is gone now. Thats what happens when your book gets an update, your fluffgets re worked.

Necrons are plenty grimdark. Tau, on the other hand...

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

I have tried to type an appropriate response to this three times now.

Let the wisdom of the C'tan help you on your search for an answer:

"While knowing that this is not the truth about the Necrons and the C'Tan, I prefer this version as living with a splinter of hope is preferable to living with the truth and knowing that all hope is long gone and all struggles against the Necrons and their masters is nothing but the very same thing the Empire of Mankind has done for a long time: praying to a dead corpse, hoping for salvation, wilfully blinding themselves with a fiery stick of ignorance...knowing the truth will burn even more painful in the end. But it is the life I chose to live. How I live my life is my choice, how all life ends no longer is and it has not been for a long time. For the Old Ones failed and doomed all existence in the universe after having lost to the C'tan."

It truly is a dire hope mankind follows and I can fully understand people trying to make up ridiculous stories in order to calm themselves and others. If you accept the truth, you would have to accept that everything mankind has ever done was in vain. Everything the Elder ever did was in vain. Everything everything ever did was pointless. The Old Ones did not only lose their life, they doomed the entire universe. The Eldar have already realized the sad truth and acknowledged that the universe will fall to the C'tan, as acknowledged in the lore part of Codex: Necrons. They saw the visions of everything dying. That is why the Eldar are far superior to Men: they know that everything they do is in vain. They know that they will fail - and fall. They fight at their very best, against an enemy they cannot defeat, in a fight they cannot win. Yet the Eldar do not have to deceive themselves and the mind of others with vicious lies - like fairy tales you would tell to little children. The Eldar face the truth. They accept it. And they still fight. That is true courage. Believing in false stories is cowardice. Choose your side!

Agentwise wrote:
Sigvatr is just in Denial that Necrons got updated and aren't Terminators anymore. I know alot of people try to hang onto old fluff, but the fluff is gone now. Thats what happens when your book gets an update, your fluffgets re worked.

Pretty sure there is no canon therefore what I say goes (for me).

 Murdius Maximus wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Murdius Maximus wrote:


I haven't found anything anywhere to support your claim that the story is lies spread by the Imperium...source?

If you wish to educate thyself about the true story of the Necrons, the C'tan and the horror they pose to the weak human race and all life in the entire universe, then have a look at the first hand information provided in the fluff part of Codex: Necrons that, unfortunately, has been split off in a different book in order to boost sales for GW once again. Instead of being forced to only read second-hand material in form of forged stories about the Necrons, written to calm the endless cries of fears of the Imperium's naive minions, you will be presented with first-hand information offering great insight in what the Necrons actually are. Be aware, though, that I cannot be held responsible for any nightmare-ridden nights you may then suffer from after being confronted with the cold and harsh truth about the end of all things. But be assured, however, that knowing the truth will make the desperation feel more comforting than believing in the Imperium's lies. If you dare.

I have tried to type an appropriate response to this three times now. And deleted them simply because not only do I have no idea what you are talking about, but I strongly suspect you don't either

Translation.

Newcron fluff is gak. Oldcron fluff is great. Track don the old codex and read how good and damn unnerving they once were before they got.... Warded.

Seriously, the Adept Corteswain story is one of the best fluff pieces out there and brings a truly horrifying revelation that the Imperium is hiding from its citizens.

Personally I feel indifferent to both versions of fluff, I like them both in their own ways..

Plus as a Chaos player it doesn't matter if you were this Mysterious horror or a conquer of your own gods... Chaos wins the great game anyway and your all pawns in the great game

Also I think I need to point out a few thing on why the Necrons are a much "what if" scenario..

A) They are just starting to wake up in the setting, and because of that they are already too slow to take back their Empire..

B) They are now diverse Even if they do wake up all at once they wont band together for a single purpose now as there is too much rivalry and political differences between the dynasties..

Hence why they are 2nd of 3rd as part of the "End Game" races..

I just completely ignore the Newcron Fluff in my games, and field my old all-metal Necron army (nearly) unchanged as the Necrons with the virus. Never had use for a C'Tan model anyway.

 jasper76 wrote:
Necrons are plenty grimdark. Tau, on the other hand...

Yes, tau are slightly less grimdark.

And they make the whole 40kverse much more dark as a result, as they show that its techincally possible to try to be a decent guy, but none of the big players has any intention to.

 BoomWolf wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
Necrons are plenty grimdark. Tau, on the other hand...

Yes, tau are slightly less grimdark.

And they make the whole 40kverse much more dark as a result, as they show that its techincally possible to try to be a decent guy, but none of the big players has any intention to.

I can dig it.

Personally, I think that Necrons fit the overall visual aesthetic of 40k and their general character does as well. Metal, angry, death, killing machines. Sounds pretty 40k to me. Also as many have noted in the past, they fulfill dual roles of
-Adding Terminators to 40k in GW's long standing tradition of apropriating other IP ideas into their own universes

-Being the "In Space" analog for WHFB undead.

As to their full fluff, I'm a bit skeptical as it seems like each time they got a new codex they were a more and more important part of the 40k origins. I recall when they were first introduced and since then their development always felt a bit forced to me. Though not more outlandish than other elements of 40k background.

Still, they certainly fit the overall look of 40k better than Tau. I actually like the tau quite a bit on their own merits. IMHO, however, once GW found a way to work slick anime robots into the grimdark dirty world of 40k, anything was possible and there was no longer a unified 40k aesthetic.

This thread should be purged for insolence!

Why not? Yes they look like terminators (from the movie)

But most races are kinda copied and pasted.

orks>orcs from lotr

eldar> elves

daemons> demons

The point is they make up really cool lore to fit each race and make them (almost) unique.

SO NECRONS FIT

NOW on the subject of old lore yes they made some drastic changes to the lore of the necrons but you go beef with matt ward idc I think the lore is fresh and gives more character to the race then "space robot slaves who kill everything"

If all the Necrons woke up it wouldn't matter. They are now to fractious to be the all consuming threat. Every Necron faction has different agendas and may or may not work together.

Look at the one where all the engrams were wiped out and the core computer took control and is now doing the same thing to every other Necron it comes across. Even other Necrons will fight him if they come across him.

I've never owned Necrons and i've only played against them twice and read the basics of their fiction but they seem to hold the role of 'unstoppable bad guy force' . Unfortunately for them the much more popular Tyranids and Orks already fill this role and have much more of a presence in the universe meaning Necrons are forgotten about.

I like Necrons and I think Vargard Obyron is one of the coolest characters in 40k but they need some more fiction.

It seems like whenever anything bad happens its most likely to be Chaos and if not it'll be 'nids, then Orcs, then demons, then Dark Eldar THEN the lowest priority are Necrons. They need to give them something to do so they have a chance to fit.

Omnicidal Egyptian robots? how is that at all 'less fitting' than any of the other vicious stereotypes that represent the core concept to just about every other codex?

I think necrons fit just fine, the 40k verse needs evil mysterious technology not based on the warp and chaos in general.

Taffy17 wrote:
I've never owned Necrons and i've only played against them twice and read the basics of their fiction but they seem to hold the role of 'unstoppable bad guy force' . Unfortunately for them the much more popular Tyranids and Orks already fill this role and have much more of a presence in the universe meaning Necrons are forgotten about.

This is awesome for the Necrons. They might be mindless and nigh-immortal killer robots, but by destroying a Tomb World, you can effectively take them out. If the Empire of Men would be smart, they would realize that they are a giant threat and Necrons might be in trouble. But since they aren't, the only ones who know are the Eldar and their forces are extremely limited, posing no threat to the Necrons and the C'tan.

Surprise, the Empire that is focused on praying to a rotten corpse isn't smart

pm713 wrote:

Agentwise wrote:
Sigvatr is just in Denial that Necrons got updated and aren't Terminators anymore. I know alot of people try to hang onto old fluff, but the fluff is gone now. Thats what happens when your book gets an update, your fluffgets re worked.

Pretty sure there is no canon therefore what I say goes (for me).

Thats not how canon works, if the people who make the series/books/stories say something unless they explictily stated its non-canon then its canon.
Everything in the books is canon.

Agentwise wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Agentwise wrote:
Sigvatr is just in Denial that Necrons got updated and aren't Terminators anymore. I know alot of people try to hang onto old fluff, but the fluff is gone now. Thats what happens when your book gets an update, your fluffgets re worked.

Pretty sure there is no canon therefore what I say goes (for me).

Thats not how canon works, if the people who make the series/books/stories say something unless they explictily stated its non-canon then its canon.
Everything in the books is canon.

Everything in the books happens in universe but in 40k we don't know how. For example the Ciaphas Cain books could be propaganda told to new guardsmen to inspire them. That is the canon of the books and I'm still 99% sure there isn't any canon at all.

pm713 wrote:

Everything in the books happens in universe but in 40k we don't know how. For example the Ciaphas Cain books could be propaganda told to new guardsmen to inspire them. That is the canon of the books and I'm still 99% sure there isn't any canon at all.

If your argument is "Its not cannon because I don't like the fluff so im saying its propaganda" then its not even worth discussing it with you. There isn't anything that suggests that the books are propaganda, we KNOW what happened to the C'tan (hell we even have models of them being trapped). Thats fine if you want the Crons to be mindless, clanless, killing machines but in the fluff they aren't. It would be like me saying Crons are all jsut metal robots that were taken over by the Hive Mind which is why the Nids don't attack them they are just other nids to them so in reality crons are jsut nids lap dogs. It doesnt make any sense and theres no fluff to support it, but I like it more.

Agentwise wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Everything in the books happens in universe but in 40k we don't know how. For example the Ciaphas Cain books could be propaganda told to new guardsmen to inspire them. That is the canon of the books and I'm still 99% sure there isn't any canon at all.

If your argument is "Its not cannon because I don't like the fluff so im saying its propaganda" then its not even worth discussing it with you. There isn't anything that suggests that the books are propaganda, we KNOW what happened to the C'tan (hell we even have models of them being trapped). Thats fine if you want the Crons to be mindless, clanless, killing machines but in the fluff they aren't. It would be like me saying Crons are all jsut metal robots that were taken over by the Hive Mind which is why the Nids don't attack them they are just other nids to them so in reality crons are jsut nids lap dogs. It doesnt make any sense and theres no fluff to support it, but I like it more.

That really isn't what I'm doing but whatever.

 Sigvatr wrote:

Taffy17 wrote:
I've never owned Necrons and i've only played against them twice and read the basics of their fiction but they seem to hold the role of 'unstoppable bad guy force' . Unfortunately for them the much more popular Tyranids and Orks already fill this role and have much more of a presence in the universe meaning Necrons are forgotten about.

This is awesome for the Necrons. They might be mindless and nigh-immortal killer robots, but by destroying a Tomb World, you can effectively take them out. If the Empire of Men would be smart, they would realize that they are a giant threat and Necrons might be in trouble. But since they aren't, the only ones who know are the Eldar and their forces are extremely limited, posing no threat to the Necrons and the C'tan.

Surprise, the Empire that is focused on praying to a rotten corpse isn't smart

Too much bureaucracy in IoM. They know, it will just take another 100 years or so before it gets in the right hands.

The Necrons fit into the fluff. Now the Tau on the other hand.....

Davor wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

Taffy17 wrote:
I've never owned Necrons and i've only played against them twice and read the basics of their fiction but they seem to hold the role of 'unstoppable bad guy force' . Unfortunately for them the much more popular Tyranids and Orks already fill this role and have much more of a presence in the universe meaning Necrons are forgotten about.

This is awesome for the Necrons. They might be mindless and nigh-immortal killer robots, but by destroying a Tomb World, you can effectively take them out. If the Empire of Men would be smart, they would realize that they are a giant threat and Necrons might be in trouble. But since they aren't, the only ones who know are the Eldar and their forces are extremely limited, posing no threat to the Necrons and the C'tan.

Surprise, the Empire that is focused on praying to a rotten corpse isn't smart

Too much bureaucracy in IoM. They know, it will just take another 100 years or so before it gets in the right hands.

...and sacrifice a few thousand people each day just because

A Skeever wrote:
The Necrons fit into the fluff. Now the Tau on the other hand.....

Tau do fit though. They are not as clean cut and happy clappy good guys as people think they are on the surface.

The Tau are pretty damn grimdark when you really delve into their background.

 Grimtuff wrote:

A Skeever wrote:
The Necrons fit into the fluff. Now the Tau on the other hand.....

Tau do fit though. They are not as clean cut and happy clappy good guys as people think they are on the surface.

The Tau are pretty damn grimdark when you really delve into their background.

GW can write fluff however they want to try and fit tau in, but there are still going to be alot of folks who see the disconnect in the visual style of the Tau vs the rest of the grimdark universe.

 60mm wrote:
Necrons though? Terminator rip-offs. Snooze. "We'll Be Back!" Totally not a T2 rip-off. They should get motorcycles and an Asta-la-byebye rule too.

Newsflash! Everything in 40k is a blatant ripoff. What GW is good at is not originality but rathet grimdark twisting of ideas which in case of Necrons worked briliantly, with Terminators changed into ancient, menacing, Lovecraft esque silent force of pure death. Egyptian vibe was a perfect fit too.

That was Oldcrons though. With newcrons menace turned into siliness, Lovecraft in space into Pirates of the Caribean in space, Egyptian vibe into Egyptian bling and perfect horror born miniatures into their own sad parody of robots riding robots.

Still being undead in space, silly newcrons fit the universe 100 more than Tau and if they were ever ditching races, I'd even prefer emo eldar to go first and join squats in the garbage, leaving the few good designs they have to better races.

 Eilif wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

A Skeever wrote:
The Necrons fit into the fluff. Now the Tau on the other hand.....

Tau do fit though. They are not as clean cut and happy clappy good guys as people think they are on the surface.

The Tau are pretty damn grimdark when you really delve into their background.

GW can write fluff however they want to try and fit tau in, but there are still going to be alot of folks who see the disconnect in the visual style of the Tau vs the rest of the grimdark universe.

Because everyone else just look identical to each other?
What kind of a silly point is "its not fit because it has its own look"
Yes, tau dont do "bling for bling sake", they make things practical and efficient. the horror! the heresy!
Is an army NOT made of idiots really brake your grimdark so much, even if its the smallest and weakest from the "main" factions?

I think one of the reasons Tau fit so well is because they are so small and weak. Whereas every single other faction out there (bar the Sandwich Sisters, but let's say they belong to IG) seems to be ridiculously overblown and powerful, the Tau seem to be borderline believable. For once, we have a faction that's not hiding a supermegadeathswag weapon back in the back of the universe.

And as others already stated: if you get into their fluff, it gets pretty dark soon; i.e. read up on what they do to people who don't want to join their empire.

They may be insignificant at this moment, but that puts them on the same level as Necrons. While the C'tan are already out there, the Necrons themselves are slowly awakening and far from the level of power they will assume once fully awakened. Right now, they don't have much power with most of it being non-acccessible (Void Dragon: locked on Mars, Outsider: exiled himself, Deceiver and Nightbringer bromancing around, most Necrons still sleeping).

While the Necrons are already destined to destroy the universe, as prophetized by the Eldar, who knows what time will bring for the Tau. They might become quite a force to be reckoned with for the lesser people.

Unless Gargamel decides to show up and kick their ass. Sorry, mandatoy joke.

 BoomWolf wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

A Skeever wrote:
The Necrons fit into the fluff. Now the Tau on the other hand.....

Tau do fit though. They are not as clean cut and happy clappy good guys as people think they are on the surface.

The Tau are pretty damn grimdark when you really delve into their background.

GW can write fluff however they want to try and fit tau in, but there are still going to be alot of folks who see the disconnect in the visual style of the Tau vs the rest of the grimdark universe.

Because everyone else just look identical to each other?
What kind of a silly point is "its not fit because it has its own look"
Yes, tau dont do "bling for bling sake", they make things practical and efficient. the horror! the heresy!
Is an army NOT made of idiots really brake your grimdark so much, even if its the smallest and weakest from the "main" factions?

They should have a darker image though, think sectoids from the recent xcom dark and scary or sth. Not bling or skulls but just more serious look, now without helmets they are more like a race from star wars rather than 40k, also kroot with their warcraftish design. They break grimdark not because theyre not idiots but because they looktoo nice.

New broadside looks incredible though.

I still prefer the old Necron fluff from when they were first released, specifically that they were the 40k equivalent of the Fantasy Mummy army. No one knew who they were, why they were, how they were, what they wanted - all we knew was that they were ancient, they were not alive, and they were coming back. None of this "we are alive in inorganic bodies deceived by Star Eaters into worshipping them as gods, QQ" BS that got into he fluff. Necrons were much more interesting before they went Emo and bro fisted a bunch of space vampires.

SJ

Plumbumbarum wrote:


They should have a darker image though, think sectoids from the recent xcom dark and scary or sth. Not bling or skulls but just more serious look, now without helmets they are more like a race from star wars rather than 40k, also kroot with their warcraftish design. They break grimdark not because theyre not idiots but because they looktoo nice.

New broadside looks incredible though.

I really disagree here. The Necrons are not grimdark because they look menacing and because they are mindless, mute killing machines. The Necrons are grimdark because of their fluff. Forced to live short lives in cities made of giant graves, deceived by a god, they chose to give up their souls, forever to be mindless slaves stuck in nigh-immortal metal bodies.

The Tau look funny and not serious, but their fluff shows why they belong in that setting.

 Sigvatr wrote:

Plumbumbarum wrote:


They should have a darker image though, think sectoids from the recent xcom dark and scary or sth. Not bling or skulls but just more serious look, now without helmets they are more like a race from star wars rather than 40k, also kroot with their warcraftish design. They break grimdark not because theyre not idiots but because they looktoo nice.

New broadside looks incredible though.

I really disagree here. The Necrons are not grimdark because they look menacing and because they are mindless, mute killing machines. The Necrons are grimdark because of their fluff. Forced to live short lives in cities made of giant graves, deceived by a god, they chose to give up their souls, forever to be mindless slaves stuck in nigh-immortal metal bodies.

The Tau look funny and not serious, but their fluff shows why they belong in that setting.

You can't ignore aesthetics, unicorns shooting rainbows will not fit 40k even if their backstory consists only of rapine, torturing children and burning churches. In my case, visual mood comes first and thats probably why crisis suits looking like 3+ toys and tau looking nice and fishy bother me in 40k. Yes fluff is important too but what hurt necrons even more for me are the new miniatures and the artwork that came with them. My opinion ofc.

Are Tau unicorns shooting rainbows?

 Sigvatr wrote:
Are Tau unicorns shooting rainbows?

No, but ironically one of the more grim-dark factions do, provided a guardsmen can hit the broadside of a prism.

I don't think new crons fit.

Agentwise wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Agentwise wrote:
Sigvatr is just in Denial that Necrons got updated and aren't Terminators anymore. I know alot of people try to hang onto old fluff, but the fluff is gone now. Thats what happens when your book gets an update, your fluffgets re worked.

Pretty sure there is no canon therefore what I say goes (for me).

Thats not how canon works, if the people who make the series/books/stories say something unless they explictily stated its non-canon then its canon.
Everything in the books is canon.

There is no canon in 40K in the sense that nothing published under the GW/BL banner is more or less canon than something else published under the same banner.

This is nicely summed up on Gav Thorpe's blog:
http://mechanicalhamster.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/jumping-the-fence/

 Psienesis wrote:

Agentwise wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Agentwise wrote:
Sigvatr is just in Denial that Necrons got updated and aren't Terminators anymore. I know alot of people try to hang onto old fluff, but the fluff is gone now. Thats what happens when your book gets an update, your fluffgets re worked.

Pretty sure there is no canon therefore what I say goes (for me).

Thats not how canon works, if the people who make the series/books/stories say something unless they explictily stated its non-canon then its canon.
Everything in the books is canon.

There is no canon in 40K in the sense that nothing published under the GW/BL banner is more or less canon than something else published under the same banner.

This is nicely summed up on Gav Thorpe's blog:
http://mechanicalhamster.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/jumping-the-fence/

Considering he wrote the 4th edition CSM codex, it's pretty fitting he wouldn't care about canon.

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
I still prefer the old Necron fluff from when they were first released, specifically that they were the 40k equivalent of the Fantasy Mummy army. No one knew who they were, why they were, how they were, what they wanted - all we knew was that they were ancient, they were not alive, and they were coming back. None of this "we are alive in inorganic bodies deceived by Star Eaters into worshipping them as gods, QQ" BS that got into he fluff. Necrons were much more interesting before they went Emo and bro fisted a bunch of space vampires.

SJ

Wow, that doesn't sound good at all for Oldcrons. I prefer the Newcrons if just going from what you say. Oldcrons is like, "we have no idea what to say for them, so they are old, and we don't know where they come from, why or how, but they are coming back but we don't know why." That is so dull and boring, at least in my opinion. Now Necrons have a purpose, like it or not.

How do you call that more interesting when it's "we don't know who or what we are, but we are going to kill you for no reason." Going off what you say. I don't have the old Necron codex so I can't say how it was like, just going off what you say. And what you say doesn't make it interesting at all.

That's how I feel too.
"We are zombie robots and we're evil because.. because we're zombie robots."
That's not really interesting and it's how I see the old fluff.

I also prefer the new stories and origin.

Fellow dakkanites, sit down, have a drink and listen to the story of the Necrons. The truth, the full truth, not the lies the weak Empire of Men is trying to feed to you. Understand why the Necrons are what they are. Embrace the truth. And be afraid. For their story is dark and full of terror.

Davor wrote:


How do you call that more interesting when it's "we don't know who or what we are, but we are going to kill you for no reason." Going off what you say. I don't have the old Necron codex so I can't say how it was like, just going off what you say. And what you say doesn't make it interesting at all.

Going off by what someone's saying is a terrible idea

You still find the TruCron fluff in internet wikis, but here's a short summary:

Before the Necrons were the Necrontyr, an actual civilization of living beings. Their life, however, was miserable. They died at a very young age due to radioactive sun radiation and their "cities" were nothing but giant tomb cities. Giant, black, square buildings serving both as tombs and houses. One day, the Necrontyr discovered the C'tan - gods. Actual, corporeal gods unlike the Chaos Gods who aren't physical. The C'tan slumbered in suns, consuming their energy to strengthen themselves. Their counterparts were the Old Ones.

The Old Ones were the first thing that lived in the entire universe, reptilian race capable of creating life, created at the same time as the C'tan. They created life as we know it.

One day, the Necrontyr met the Old Ones and longed for their immortality. They asked them to share their immortality with them as they lived their short, painful lives in misery. The Old Ones refused and the Necrons were fueled with jealousy and anger. And thus began a terrible war, the first war in the history of the universe. The Necrontyr had no chance though, due to the Old Ones' mastery of the webway. The Necrontyr were almost annihilated and reduced to a mere fraction yet the Old Ones did not kill them off, letting them rot filled with hatred. And then, the C'tan were discovered.

Immortal gods. This was what the Necrontyr longed for. A weapon to be used to defeat the Old Ones. At this stage, however, the C'tan weren't actual creatures, they were energy. Pure, raw energy. And thus the Necrontyr used their incredible technology to create the Necrodermis, an armor, a suit to contain this immense power. Now becoming actual beings that could be understood, the Necrontyr knelt to their newly-found gods and ultimate weapon against the Old Ones. They were ready to strike and ruin them once and for all. But the C'tan had one last gift for the Necrontyr: immortality.

Immortality. This is what the Necrontyr always longed for. And now, it was so close. No more short and painful lives in constant misery. Immortality. And that is what they got indeed. The C'tan betrayed their minions. They replaced their flesh with the metal hulls you already know and consumed their souls. The entire race of Necrontyr was completely annihilated at that day. Extincted. What once were the Necrontyr now are the Necrons. Soulless, empty husks, following their immortal leaders, the C'tan. They finally got their immortality.

There was no anger, however, among the Necrons. They now were truly immortal. They lost their ability to speak. They lost their free will. They lost everything but one thing: hatred. The eternal hatred for all life. That is what still drives the once proud race: hatred for life. The Necron's ultimate goal is the total destruction of all life in the entire universe and they will not stop until this goal has been fulfilled.

The war against the Old Ones began anew and this time, the Old Ones did not stand a chance. Against nigh-immortal enemies and gods, they could not win. They were crushed under the hands of the C'Tan. Their last deed was trying to create one last counter to the C'tan, a race with a strong connection to the warp: the Eldar. But all was in vain, as the Old Ones were killed and their followers were enslaved by the Enslaves, minions of the C'tan.

The universe was almost done for. Almost all life has been gone. But at this point, the C'tan changed their mind. Their endless greed let them decide to go in a long sleep, along with all their minions, for the universe to grow anew, again ripe for their taking. They would sleep until a race awakened them that was suitable for their hunger for souls and control. Then came the long sleep.

One day, a group of Space Marines awakened The Nightbringer and set the gears in motion. Mankind was destined to be the race that spells doom for the entire universe. As for this time, the C'tan would not stop until they and their minions, the Necrons, finally achieved their goal: utter destruction.

The next harvest is coming, and only the Eldar know the sad truth the universe is looking into.

The end is drawing near and time is on the Necron's side. Should they continue to be ignored, then they get back to their old power and the C'tan wreck havok upon all life.

That is the history of the Necrons. A former actual race, living in misery, deceived by their saviors, driven by hatred. An endless army of immortal machines. A horror on the battlefield. A nightmare to behold. The universe's omega.

The Necrons.

Davor wrote:

 jeffersonian000 wrote:
I still prefer the old Necron fluff from when they were first released, specifically that they were the 40k equivalent of the Fantasy Mummy army. No one knew who they were, why they were, how they were, what they wanted - all we knew was that they were ancient, they were not alive, and they were coming back. None of this "we are alive in inorganic bodies deceived by Star Eaters into worshipping them as gods, QQ" BS that got into he fluff. Necrons were much more interesting before they went Emo and bro fisted a bunch of space vampires.

SJ

Wow, that doesn't sound good at all for Oldcrons. I prefer the Newcrons if just going from what you say. Oldcrons is like, "we have no idea what to say for them, so they are old, and we don't know where they come from, why or how, but they are coming back but we don't know why." That is so dull and boring, at least in my opinion. Now Necrons have a purpose, like it or not.

How do you call that more interesting when it's "we don't know who or what we are, but we are going to kill you for no reason." Going off what you say. I don't have the old Necron codex so I can't say how it was like, just going off what you say. And what you say doesn't make it interesting at all.

Not knowing is more interesting than being lead by the nose with a poorly written fluffy background. GW had an excellent opportunity to write a very ancient history to support an undead army of machines, yet instead wrote a pastel Saturday morning cartoon background that paints the Necron as fools. One of the major literary issues with GW s that they attempt to write too much background for armies, which is completely unnessessary. Keeping things mysterious adds a sense of imagination, while trying to answer everything limits the imagination as well as paints themselves into a corner of contradictions. Simply writing the Nervon history from the point of view of archaeological scholars piecing to gather forgotten lore would have been far superior to the Emo skele-dolls we got.

Which is a shame.

SJ

The war against the Old Ones began anew and this time, the Old Ones did not stand a chance. Against nigh-immortal enemies and gods, they could not win. They were crushed under the hands of the C'Tan. Their last deed was trying to create one last counter to the C'tan, a race with a strong connection to the warp: the Eldar. But all was in vain, as the Old Ones were killed and their followers were enslaved by the Enslaves, minions of the C'tan.

Could you at least keep your "TruCron" ravings towards actual fluff, like the fact that the Enslavers aren't related to the C'tan at all, that they are infact a species of Warp Creature, and that the Necrons couldn't even kill off the Old Ones, but instead it was the Enslavers who did because of their direct connection to the warp.

That is the history of the Necrons. A former actual race, living in misery, deceived by their saviors, driven by hatred. An endless army of immortal machines. A horror on the battlefield. A nightmare to behold. The universe's omega.

The Necrons.

The Metal Tyranids.

They lost their ability to speak.

Xenology disagrees with you.

One day, the Necrontyr discovered the C'tan - gods. Actual, corporeal gods unlike the Chaos Gods who aren't physical.

Powerful Alien Beings.

The war against the Old Ones began anew and this time, the Old Ones did not stand a chance. Against nigh-immortal enemies and gods, they could not win. They were crushed under the hands of the C'Tan. Their last deed was trying to create one last counter to the C'tan, a race with a strong connection to the warp: the Eldar

Were created long before, the Old Ones were helping them advance long before they decided to fight them. Orks were built during the combat with Necrotyr as an endless warrior race.

So.. Sigvatr..
The main difference is that now they were enslaved instead of turned into zombies?
And if I am correct, they went into their sleep to recover.
After they fought back to their 'Gods' and destroyed most of them.

Cool story, but their background changed (slightly).
Their goal changed from destruction to complete domination.

Which reminds me! We really need a model for Szarekh.

Thats not the only change. They went from destroying everything to wanting to take over like everyone else really.

Kangodo wrote:
So.. Sigvatr..
The main difference is that now they were enslaved instead of turned into zombies?

If you want to narrow it down to one main difference:

TruCrons = Terminators

NewCrons = Egyptians in space

There are quite a few differences like NewCrons wanting to get new bodies now, can speak, behave like humans, C'tan became Pokemons etc. NewCrons essentialy are even more generic than TruCrons - yet Ward managed to slip more plotholes in than one may have feared

TruCrons? Ooh, you mean the outdated and irrelevant codex!

Can we - after three years - please stop this already?
Their 2002 Codex is dead. It is no more. The fluff is gone and the lore is gone.

They are still "terminators", they just didn't lose their personality after their transformation.
And we can all be glad for that.

Well.....obviously not.

Kangodo wrote:

Can we - after three years - please stop this already?

You can either accept the heart-warming yet ultimatively deceiving lies of the NewCron story or face the harsh and bitter truth the actual Necron history bears.

TruCron or NewCron, it is your choice.

Necron, that's my choice.
And their story is written down in the latest codex, perhaps with some updates next spring when our new codex arrives.
They are not lies, it's written in the codex and it's the Necron-story.

Deal with it. Because it's getting rather annoying at the moment.

NewCron it is then!

Enjoy the soothing silence and the loving lies. For many are easily misled by the lies that comfort the soul and the few that realize the truth are hardly listened to - until it is too late and those previously misled by themselves realize their mistake and are woken up by a lies-induced slumber. A slumber you wake up from just to face a nightmare.

Thank you Sigvatr, that was a good entertaining story. It's good. I also like the new stuff. I can at least now see why you are unhappy with the new stuff.

While I never really got into 40K, my first experience was with Tyranids in Rouge Trader. Since nobody played I dropped it. Finally when 4th edition came out, I was displeased when my Zoats were eliminated. Didn't like how the fluff was changed there.

So I can see what you mean now.

Davor wrote:
Thank you Sigvatr, that was a good entertaining story. It's good. I also like the new stuff. I can at least now see why you are unhappy with the new stuff.

While I never really got into 40K, my first experience was with Tyranids in Rouge Trader. Since nobody played I dropped it. Finally when 4th edition came out, I was displeased when my Zoats were eliminated. Didn't like how the fluff was changed there.

So I can see what you mean now.

I'd take a few things with a hint of salt, considering the inability to keep track of fluff from the codex he speaks from.

"Ah, yes, old Sigvatr.
He's never been the same since he woke up.
Still thinks he fights for the C'tan, poor fellow.
The other Overlords tolerate his eccentricities out of respect for his prowess in the battles of eons gone by, but... it does get a bit much some times.
Particularly confusing is the fact that he still uses many of the newer war machines, despite there being no record of "Night Scythes" or "Annihilation Barges" in the oldest tomes.
Still, as long as his efforts continue the expanse of the dynasties, no one feels the need to correct him.
Though, if you'll excuse me, I have a Court meeting I must attend presently. Apparently those odd separatists who have taken to daubing themselves in green paint are becoming unruly again, and you know how angry Imotekh gets when they foil his carefully plotted strategies.
Come, Obyron, we've plans to lay!"

Davor wrote:
Thank you Sigvatr, that was a good entertaining story. It's good. I also like the new stuff. I can at least now see why you are unhappy with the new stuff.

While I never really got into 40K, my first experience was with Tyranids in Rouge Trader. Since nobody played I dropped it. Finally when 4th edition came out, I was displeased when my Zoats were eliminated. Didn't like how the fluff was changed there.

So I can see what you mean now.

Glad to having you helped out

It's ok to like either fluff. The NewCron fluff is poorly written, but hey, some people also like the Twilight series

Necrons are actually just Tyranid slave beings, since the are mindless killing machines its really easy for the Hive mind to control them. Theres no source in any book about this but its the lore I've decided for them. So from now on I will call Necrons "Nid Slaves"