What chapter of loyalist do you hate most? What makes you hate them? If hate is too strong a word then maybe the one you like the least or dislike the most? Mine, personally, is the Ultrasmurfs. Being from Indiana I was thrilled when I first saw the wonder of Blue and White space marines with horseshoes on thier shoulders. Then I got more information on them and found them boring as hell. And I know it is not actually a horseshoe but it is awefully dang close. Also, Go Colts!

Space wolves.

1) They're hypocrites, using magic but claiming their power comes from "Fenris" rather than the warp. Claiming purity when using dark magics.
2) According to the books they often don't wear helmets in battle. Just plain stupid.
3) They are mindless dogs of the IoM. They do not think for themselves, they only kill what their masters point to. How can I respect the guard dog?
4) They are too prideful. The slightest insult sends them into a murderous rage.

Space Wolves.

Wolfy wolf wolf wolves wolverine wulfen wolf fang wolves wolf wolverine claw wolf.

Their fluff strikes me as being a confused mess, and they have the most offensive plot armour of any faction.

And Muderfang McMurder Murder Muderface does nothing to help.

Wolves. Because 1++ plot armour.

Wolves.

WereWolf Space Knight Barbarians. As if *just* being a Space Knight wasn't good enough for them!

 changerofways wrote:

4) They are too prideful. The slightest insult sends them into a murderous rage.

Too prideful? You dare impugn the Sons of Russ? I'll have your head for that, upstart pup!

On topic, I love Wolves. Yes, they are over the top. Yes, their fluff is riddled with inconsistencies and embellishments. Yes, they are also entirely hypocritical in their beliefs and ironic from an outside view! You know what else is all those things? 40k! Wolves take everything great about the setting and turn it up to 12 (it was already on 11), which is brilliant!

One I've never liked that much is Templars, mainly because I'm a First Founding/Legion man through and through!

White Scars.

I find them incredibly dull (both game/fluff wise) and the background on them really un-interesting.

I also don't like Space Wolves much, but I find them at least slightly more interesting than the Scars.

-1 for not Having DA as an option (we're still technically loyalists). But I chose Space Wolves. Nothing about their fluff is appealing. They're furry-style Angry Marines, and I think an Angry Marines codex would be much, MUCH cooler.

The Loyalist chapter I like the least?

Space Wolves, by miles, easily. I'll reiterate my position from an older thread.

Their fluff is abysmal in just about every conceivable way. In general they usually seem to be written like some overactive 11 year olds internet fanfic about Space Vikings. We've got everything from firing artillery by smell, to characters with the word "Wolf" or some derivative thereof in their character profile and wargear like 14 times, guys that get to crash Thunderhawks for gaks and giggles and nobody seems to care. They come off as bad comic relief. Then we've got the "berzerker" aspect of SW's being unholy savages in melee combat who love the thrill of battle and are just so much fighter than other Space Marines. Then yet on another hand we've got the "sinister dark executioners" tripe that the other half of the SW fluff is, where no, they're not actually the ridiculous parody faction or mindless berzerkers, they just use it as an excuse to mask their brilliant tactics and master spy networks and incredible generalship. On top of that they've of course got an ironclad sense of honor and hearts of gold for the downtrodden little guy, but don't forget they're still dark nightmarish killers. Oh, and some of them are Werewolves too just for gaks and giggles.

They try to be anything and everything at once and they come off like someone's pet fanfic project where they have to be the "bestest at everythings!". It's like if you tried to mash Orks, Chaos Space Marines, the Inquisition and a dash of Tau into one faction, it just doesn't mesh. Their psykers aren't really "bad" psyekers, they use the native power of Fenris...(You've probably never heard of it /hipster)

Previously, their rules also were massively "Space Marines +1", there was a huge bandwagon following in 5E (in fact IIRC adepticon 2010's most popular army was SW's and only two or three weren't "counts-as"), and they were both shootier and fightier. This isn't the case anymore, but was a big problem for a while.

EDIT: BA's might be a close second for me, but that's not necessarily the faction in and of themselves (I actually quite like much of their Pre-Ward background, I think he did a terrible disservice to them from a fluff standpoint), but rather because I don't think I've ever had a fun game against BA's, primarily because my BA opponents were either outright cheating, whining like bleating goats the whole time, or just general jerkwad TFG's. Out of probably a dozen different BA players I've faced in my time, I think there was maybe *one* I'd ever want another game with again? Not sure what it is about them.

I actually have nothing but fond feelings for all the original loyalist chapters (and BT/CF, why do they get separate entries?).

It's the GK for me. Have you ever read of the horrible things done just to create a box of bolter ammo for them? Hint: innocents are tortured and then killed, so that their suffering and purity can sanctify one round. Then don't get me started on a suit of armor or what happens to failed applicants (which isn't much better than those accepted). Pity the low ranking IG unit who saves a GK from death (usually executed or wiped and then gang slaved). Of course occasionally a planet gets exterminatus just to be sure no one talks.

These guys do more evil in the name of protection and purity than most Chaos Legions. I'm beginning to think the entire chapter became a Tzeentch plot after Malcador and Big E went dark.

No true goodness, kindness, and duty? That's UM, Sallies, IF, and White Scars... I love these guys, closest thing to good guys out there.

 changerofways wrote:
Space wolves.

1) They're hypocrites, using magic but claiming their power comes from "Fenris" rather than the warp. Claiming purity when using dark magics.
2) According to the books they often don't wear helmets in battle. Just plain stupid.
3) They are mindless dogs of the IoM. They do not think for themselves, they only kill what their masters point to. How can I respect the guard dog?
4) They are too prideful. The slightest insult sends them into a murderous rage.

U Mag bro?


I hate DA the most. mostly because i dont like secrets

Hey, yeah. Add DA, OP. Or did they threaten you?

I don't like BA, because I strongly dislike vampires.
And elves, but that doesn't seem relevant.

I actually really like Ultramarines, White Scars, DA. and Wolves. My favorite is Alpha legion, cause their modus operandi is so interesting, but I usually like the loyalist legions based on the civilization they are supposed to represent (supposed to, because wolves have horrible fluff outside of Abnett)

The Wolves. They are too prideful, and most of them are barbariaNS WHO FEEL that they are the most awesome space marines in the world.

 Paradigm wrote:

On topic, I love Wolves. Yes, they are over the top. Yes, their fluff is riddled with inconsistencies and embellishments. Yes, they are also entirely hypocritical in their beliefs and ironic from an outside view! You know what else is all those things? 40k! Wolves take everything great about the setting and turn it up to 12 (it was already on 11), which is brilliant!

One I've never liked that much is Templars, mainly because I'm a First Founding/Legion man through and through!

I agree with your point on space wolves and I too am first founding man. My least favorite has always been Iron Hands, I don't know why, I just can't stand the way they look or their fluff.

I'm always surprised how much ire the 13th legion invokes in 40k players. They are early Roman Empire to a T. Once you filter it that way, the fluff goes from OTT to quiet well conceived. I just think most people don't get it (or the parallels).

 Desubot wrote:

 changerofways wrote:
Space wolves.

1) They're hypocrites, using magic but claiming their power comes from "Fenris" rather than the warp. Claiming purity when using dark magics.
2) According to the books they often don't wear helmets in battle. Just plain stupid.
3) They are mindless dogs of the IoM. They do not think for themselves, they only kill what their masters point to. How can I respect the guard dog?
4) They are too prideful. The slightest insult sends them into a murderous rage.

U Mag bro?


I hate DA the most. mostly because i dont like secrets

What?! If it wasn't for us, the Unforgiven, then Horus would be the Lord over all of Man. I that how you want things to end? As a world ruled by Chaos? If you think the Fallen are the biggest secret the DA have, then don't think about how they manage to hide an entire Chapter, created before the heresy in a secret founding (that is da fluff for my Iron Angels). Don't lesten to me, I'm just a very loyal Iron Angels Space Marine.

I must be mad - because I like both The Ultramarines AND the Space Wolves.... sigh.

In order of dislike:

Dark Angels.
Grey Knights.
Ultramarines.
White Scars.

 Stormwall wrote:
In order of dislike:

Dark Angels.
Grey Knights.
Ultramarines.
White Scars.

I own and play (sorta) all of those.

My favs

UM
WS
DA
IF (and CF/BT)
IH
SW
Sallies

SW... they attacked Prospero. end of story.

 ArmageddonBorn wrote:
SW... they attacked Prospero. end of story.

What are you some sort of Tzeentch lover?

 Great White wrote:

 ArmageddonBorn wrote:
SW... they attacked Prospero. end of story.

What are you some sort of Tzeentch lover?

Probably likes the GK then (see my first post in thread).

white scars. Too many bikes

Grey Knights - Even considering the extremes mankind must go to make sure it stays alive, GK and the Ordo Malleus inquisitors go to "Chaos Demon" extremes.

Dark Angels.

Just get over it already.

Of the options available, I'd say White Scars. The bikes everywhere motif does little for me.

The rest are cool enough. I actuay think the Ultramarines are pretty rad in their own way. Space Wolves are weird and silly, but the idea is fun.

You know what, though? Screw the Minotaurs. Those guys suck.

 Lobukia wrote:
I actually have nothing but fond feelings for all the original loyalist chapters (and BT/CF, why do they get separate entries?).

It's the GK for me. Have you ever read of the horrible things done just to create a box of bolter ammo for them? Hint: innocents are tortured and then killed, so that their suffering and purity can sanctify one round. Then don't get me started on a suit of armor or what happens to failed applicants (which isn't much better than those accepted).

Whoa where did you get this from? I know a GREAT deal of fluff for many factions of 40k, and GK are my thing but I've never read about this, in fact I want to say your making that up (I can't debate the GK purges though those definitely happen).

EDIT: I would also say Marines Malevolent need to get smacked down, preferably by the Minotaurs and the two get into a extended war with each other and kill each other off.

Blood Angels for me. Solely because of that whole "space vampires" thing.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Blood Angels for me. Solely because of that whole "space vampires" thing.

What bout space wolfs for there werewolves in space?

 Desubot wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
Blood Angels for me. Solely because of that whole "space vampires" thing.

What bout space wolfs for there werewolves in space?

Im against blood angels too. Ill take space werewolves over space vampires every time. Take away the wolfy parts, and they are still the space vikings, which is cool in my book.

Well Team jacob has less sparkles

feth Dark Angels. The cheesy bastards.

Although hearing about the GK hypocrisy makes me want to change my vote. Not sure why I didn't go against them in the first place, being a daemon player and all...

Space Wolves. Mostly because I used to play Space Wolves in 3rd because I loved the Viking thing they had going but they went down the Wolf Wolf Wolf Murder Wolf Wolf Fang Wolf path and I just got so annoyed with it. I miss Space Vikings I don't want Space Furries.

Dark angels, because of them being douchebags since they are all closet heretics
grey knights (post ward) space wolves share the 2nd place

 Quickjager wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
I actually have nothing but fond feelings for all the original loyalist chapters (and BT/CF, why do they get separate entries?).

It's the GK for me. Have you ever read of the horrible things done just to create a box of bolter ammo for them? Hint: innocents are tortured and then killed, so that their suffering and purity can sanctify one round. Then don't get me started on a suit of armor or what happens to failed applicants (which isn't much better than those accepted).

Whoa where did you get this from? I know a GREAT deal of fluff for many factions of 40k, and GK are my thing but I've never read about this, in fact I want to say your making that up (I can't debate the GK purges though those definitely happen).

EDIT: I would also say Marines Malevolent need to get smacked down, preferably by the Minotaurs and the two get into a extended war with each other and kill each other off.

You can want to say I'm making it up, but I'm not (however the Tzeentch thing is all me, as I said). I think I've read all BL stuff regarding any faction I play. I'll find it (which book that's in) and post right here which one it is.

Black Templars.

Regarding brutality of GK

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Victories_of_the_Space_Marines_%28Anthology%29

Sacrifice

Why no "All of the above" option?

 Lobukia wrote:
Regarding brutality of GK

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Victories_of_the_Space_Marines_%28Anthology%29

Sacrifice

Ahhh yes... Alaric, the Justicar that even IMO should had fallen to Chaos and may as well have been a Khornate Beserker... which was the main reason I didn't read the series.

Space Wolves and Blood Angels had quite OTT fluff in their 5th edition Codices which made them unlikeable. I haven't read the latest books in their entirety, but seems like some of the worst excesses have been toned down.

I'd have to say that White Scars are currently maybe my least favourite. Now I admit this is perhaps because I am not really familiar with their lore, but they seem just kind of straight Mongol stereotype with little depth.

Personally I like the Iron Hands the least. The whole "In bed with the Mechanicum" thing was always the least interesting gimmick for me, and I generally prefer the chapters with more open ended primarch stories. But if you get into which chapter is the most hated by GW its a different story

For me it's least liked. That would be the Black Templars. A pure crusader 2nd founding chapter, that is hogwash. Every chapter should have a homebase to set up shop. More like the Homeless Hobos chapter.

I don't really hate any of the chapters listed, im also another of those crazy players who actually likes the Wolves and Ultras.

I voted other, my choice being the Deathwatch, i know im gonna get crucified for this and they are not an actual chapter but i just never got what is so cool about them, i just dont like them as a concept.

Dark Angels, then Grey Knights. Dark Angels because they really seem like pricks in the novels I've read that feature them, and Grey Knights because the concept of "automatically the best at everything" bores the hell out of me.

Grey Knights are incredibly dull.

Salamanders win it for me because of Nick Kyme and his butchery of every aspect of 40k. An awful series author. The Space Wolves are just as bad but I genuinely HATE books by Nick Kyme and avoid them by default. William King hasn't gotten me that annoyed yet. Should add that Salamanders on the tabletop are just painted green and have nearly no benefit.

 Quickjager wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Regarding brutality of GK

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Victories_of_the_Space_Marines_%28Anthology%29

Sacrifice

Ahhh yes... Alaric, the Justicar that even IMO should had fallen to Chaos and may as well have been a Khornate Beserker... which was the main reason I didn't read the series.

Except this tale isn't about him, it's about what goes into equipping every GK. It just happens that this gear is destined for him. Equipping one squad of GK is 1,000 good and pure citizens bled and killed for no other reason than producing ammo only moderately better than bolter rounds any marine would use. GK aren't holy, they're tools of oppression and slaughter, whose cost long ago exceeded their benefits.

These same thousand lives an Ultramarine or Salamander would gladly die to save. I can't imagine what Guilliman would say if he became High Lord of Terra again.

Added Dark Angels and option for multiple choices.

Grey Knights.

What happens when you put Marines Malevolent and Ultra Marines together, strap a bunch of dorky crap on them and leave them sprue gray.

Out of curiosity, aren't the SW players mad Lion straight up sucker-punched their primarch?

 Lobukia wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
Regarding brutality of GK

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Victories_of_the_Space_Marines_%28Anthology%29

Sacrifice

Ahhh yes... Alaric, the Justicar that even IMO should had fallen to Chaos and may as well have been a Khornate Beserker... which was the main reason I didn't read the series.

Except this tale isn't about him, it's about what goes into equipping every GK. It just happens that this gear is destined for him. Equipping one squad of GK is 1,000 good and pure citizens bled and killed for no other reason than producing ammo only moderately better than bolter rounds any marine would use. GK aren't holy, they're tools of oppression and slaughter, whose cost long ago exceeded their benefits.

These same thousand lives an Ultramarine or Salamander would gladly die to save. I can't imagine what Guilliman would say if he became High Lord of Terra again.

Eh, take the good with the bad. Haven't read the book so I don't know. I do know however GK avoid civilian casualties whenever they can, they DO know they are meant to protect humanity and that it comes before them or ANY individual. They take care that they aren't seen except when unavoidable, and since wherever they were anyway the sector was going to burn to daemons anyway I can hardly count it as a net loss, after all Chaos is quite formidable. For instance, they had a choice between staying on a planet for a warp storm to abate; rather than risk being seen they decided to leave at sub-light speeds preeeetty much dooming that specific group to a 1000-year journey. Theres more evidence they purge only when chaos was present when they destroyed a WAAAGH! on a planet, the people there who saw them they left alone and when another chapter, the Fire Lords showed up the people went on about steel clad saviors.

And figuring Guilliman is currently on ice due Fulgrim, I don't think he is exactly in a position to say anything. Especially because he hasn't seen the state of the Imperium with enemies literally outside and within. I doubt the Big E would be happy either though.

Wolves. Every TFG I've ever seen IRL has been a wolves player, at least initially. Any tau or eldar players just happened to be there when their codices hulked out, and generally try to take less "gamey" lists.

The wolf players... Oh man. Everything from obvious list tailoring to cheating on dice rolls, "forgetting" penalties, "forgetting" that their guy doesn't have that many attacks...

This describes 3 separate people, and I have yet to see a good wolf player, so I'm left with a 100% TFG rate for the wolves.

niv-mizzet wrote:
Wolves. Every TFG I've ever seen IRL has been a wolves player, at least initially. Any tau or eldar players just happened to be there when their codices hulked out, and generally try to take less "gamey" lists.

The wolf players... Oh man. Everything from obvious list tailoring to cheating on dice rolls, "forgetting" penalties, "forgetting" that their guy doesn't have that many attacks...

This describes 3 separate people, and I have yet to see a good wolf player, so I'm left with a 100% TFG rate for the wolves.

Its not cheating! its the powers of Fenris! I HATE cheaters tho, all those WAAC and Shady players man they suck!

On topic!

I dislike the Ultramarines! Spiritual Liege, mary sue chapter. One of the reasons I like the SW is the organized chaos that they bring to the table and fluff, its so much more depth to me. Im not a fan of structure for the sake of structure its silly, over supervision and rules is for the birds, but I don't hate any chapter or legion just the poor back stories and rules given to them through the editions (furry wolves, emo angels, and biker gangs included)

In order of dislike:

First, The Wolves: I REALLY want to like them, the space viking thing is great, but when we get to the repetition of the "wolf" whatever ad naseum, it's just really juvenile to me. I realize that a variety of people play the game, but I just feel that the "Oh my gosh, werewolf!" Aspect really ruins the much better designed and executed style of vikings. (For the record, I very much like the bawdy, drunken portrayal of Leman Russ. I think it gives him some great flaws, rather than howling at the moon.)

Second, Grey Knights: something something dreadknight baby carrier... also the apparent incorruptible-ness is unappealing to me. Their methods are described as "pure", "necessary ", "what must be done". But then they butcher allied forces... pretty sure blood is for the blood god no matter who spills it. (Oh, no, wait. This is HOLY blood spilling. Ah, I see. Totally not the same.)

Lastly, our good friends the Marines Malevolent. I'm pretty sure there are only a handful of fans out there, but I would honestly like to see more fluff involving them and then a SPECTACULAR comeuppance for their jackassery. Might make a good read. But yeah, someone should knock those guys down a few pegs.

My three.

FM Argo

Edit: Emprah, deliver me from my spelling and punctuation heresies.

Space Wolves. The were once cool, in the long long ago, but they slowly got sillier and sillier.

Riding giant wolves with the Wolfy Wolf Cavalry was heir first step on the path to damnation. But how could it get worse? Oh, wait. Logan Claus on his sleigh. Flying clown shoe longboats. Freeze rays.

William Murderfang Murderfang Murderfang.

The Space Wolves have jumped the Space Shark so far there's just no coming back for them. By far the worst faction in 40K. I don't think another one even comes close. The Space Wolves are so, so awful.

You know it's a sad, sad time when Space Wolves get more hate than Ultramarines. And all of it is justified... Wolfity wolf wolf wolf!

Dark angles, I used to love them but the armour has just got more and more over the top. I know wolves are the same but I can live with it for some reason. I still like the robed veterans box as it's rather plain and monastic, but the termies and vehicles are just horrendous. Stone chapels on flyers?? I mean come on who even thinks these things up!! I would have DA as space fighting monks. Robed, plain and full of menace.

Come to think about it, outside of rules and specific fluff (I can't stand any 40k book, but really like the background fluff), I think the concepts of the different legions are really great.

Even if I don't like the over-the-top fluff of Ultramarines, the roman empire vibe (especially the artwork) is pretty cool.
Even if I don't like SM bikes, the tribal mongolian aspect of WS are appealing to me.
And so on.

So my answer to the OP question is: none.

I've always hated the Dark Angels. Not sure why, maybe it's the whole monastic thing, I'm really not sure, I've just never liked them and never understood why they're so popular. I voted for them, but Iron Hands are a close second.

 jreilly89 wrote:
-1 for not Having DA as an option (we're still technically loyalists).

I liked the poll better when the Dark Angels weren't a part of it.

That said, Space Wolves.

Their Spiritual Liege is Wolverine, and he's a child molester.


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 Desubot wrote:
Well Team jacob has less sparkles

It also has more beastiality.

Marines. fething. Malevolent. Who the hell would go about hostage situations with fething Whirlwinds?! And use armour dyed with PISS? *Salamander Rage*

No, but if we're talking about Loyalists we don't like the general design of, I don't really know if I dislike any. The Space Wolves could do with more viking and less wolf, but are otherwise cool, Dark Angels epitome anything awesome about the grim Imperium and Grey Knights are that awesome kind of evil that is needed to fight an even greater one... They are essentialy Anti-Chaos Daemons now, and that's just cool

The White Scars are a bit dull to me, but that's mostly how ignored they are, and Iron Hands likewise.

Now, if we're talking Traitors, that's a whole other story...

Don't worry, Dane. We... I mean the traitor marines will get there poll soon!

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
Don't worry, Dane. We... I mean the traitor marines will get there poll soon!

You do that and the rage of the north will be released. For the lulz, of course.

Ouch, the hate towards my DA, we're not that bad once you get to know us (too bad you'll never know us and our secrets).

I personally dislike the white scars for trying to out-bike the ravenwing, and tend to hate grey knights. They just seems to be the biggest bunch of buttholes, casually purging whoever and not bothering to caring who dies to "protect the imperium". Sure, sometimes there might be some decent guys, but the fluff tends to imply they're terrible people.

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
Well Team jacob has less sparkles

It also has more beastiality.

I believe the term you're looking for is yiffing.

The Salamanders kinda bore me, though I can't really equate that to hate.
Someone made mention of Marines Malevolent, and they could certainly be a contender. I wish they had more background and rules myself.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Wolves. Because 1++ plot armour.

Oh, please. Ultramarines have the best plot armor in the entire 40k universe. They Plot Armour 1++/Plat Cover Save 2+++/ guilliman Save 3+++/ Invulnerable save 1+++. Ultramarines should have been annihilated by the 'Nids.

Ultrasmurfs. That 5th edition codex was atrocious. Also, I'm not a big fan of the fact that their Primarch decided to ditch the Imperium during the Horus Heresy just to save Macragge when the entire galaxy was under the threat of being plunged into Chaos

Space Wolves.

"We're like total bloody savages but like total awesome noble tactican guys too and did I mention we have pskers but they're not pskyers and we tell the man to go feth themselves but really we're the most loyal chapter of them all".

Give me a break.

I'm a Salamander player, but love the Wolves. Bjorn and Arjac win it for me.

Ultramarines can go die. So annoying.... I really just hate pretty boys. Gulliman is the glasses pocket protector kid in math that asks if homework is due.

Get digested smurfs.

I used to really dislike the Ultramarines for being the poster boy, boy scouts of 40k. But after reading Know No Fear I grew to like them. (still not my favorite. IF is.)
My 2nd favorite used to be SW, but after the latest release of Logan clause and Murder Murderson on his Murder Murder, I just find them a parody of what they used to be.
So, SW.

 Lobukia wrote:

 Stormwall wrote:
In order of dislike:

Dark Angels.
Grey Knights.
Ultramarines.
White Scars.

I own and play (sorta) all of those.

My favs

UM
WS
DA
IF (and CF/BT)
IH
SW
Sallies

It's alright, you are redeemed by the fires of battle, and the anvil of war. Someday I will paint me some RT alternate colored Sallies alongside a set of some green ones.

Oh and to echo others about Kyme, I read the preview from BL of one of the Salamander books, it was awful. Ironic considering this was THE chapter that got me into W40k. I made fun of their name on the video game Kill Team, thinking it was stupid. I did my research on the unofficial wiki, and fell in loved with them.

Ultramarines, because GW keeps trying to make them "the best chatur evah" and all their fans are 10 year olds who draw emo Sephiroth artwork. Goddamnit Matt Ward.

GK. They are EVIIIIL.
Even Chaos guys dont do thinks that they do.
I really wouldn't be suprised when they would say " Hey guys,we are Alpharius.Trololo."

Or a Tzeentch guys,becouse all them are psykers

Smurfs and Dark angels

Smurfs because of the D-riding Matt ward and dark angels cause i just hate that chapter how they operate how the lion kills his own men and literally calls himself king...

whoever hates the salamanders SHAME ON YOU!! What is there to hate! They are literally the most humble chapter ever! Vulkan is also the only primarch who you could actually talk to who isn't a pompous ass!

But haters are gonna hate!

I said Black Templars (as an old Legion purist) but I'm actually glad to see Space Wolves topping the list after they went the riding-wolves and wolf-sled route.

In order of dislike
UM
GK
Blood Ravens
SW
BA

Mostly for fluff violations (KHORNATE SORCERERS!?), awful fluff (Mary Sues) and originality. UMs is mostly due to Matt Ward.

I'm just tired of blue space marines vs. red chaos space marines.

I hate the Ultramarines because I get annoyed everytime I find some bits in my "vanilla" marine box that aren't "vanilla." There should be no chapter specific peices in a "vanilla" box of space marines. Period.

I hate the Grey Knights because of the fluff.

I hate the Space Wolves because of the models and the fluff. Space Marines riding wolves make hurt my eyes and they look like homeless people wearing power armour.

I'm surorised how long it took for someone to mention Blood Ravens. I almost gave them thier own poll choice. I hear a lot of hat thrown in thier direction.

Ultramarines, because so much of the bloody Codex focuses around them (seriously, look at the page count for them!) and they're basically infallible.

White Scars because they are so goddamn boring.

I like the rest though, mainly because they're either internally troubled (DA/BA), making for interesting fluff; or just don't give a damn (BT/GK) about the Codex Astartes that the Ultrasmurfs love so much.

I also generally dislike the BA. I don't know why but there is just something about them I usually don't like

Space Wolves. All day, every day, twice on Tuesdays. The only thing keeping Grey Hunters from being totally OP still is all the other stuff that is even MORE OP, like Xeno shooting lists.

I don't really like the successor chapters. I liked it better when they were all united into legions

Space Wolves. Mostly because I've been a Dark Angels player for 10 years, and they pissed us off that one time so screw them!
I have a friend who played SW that I used to play against all the time back in the day. Whenever we would have games, we would have a sergeant from each of our armies have a little 1v1. The champion that won earned first turn for his army. We had a for fun 2v2 ladder style setup one summer, and he was on my team. Team DA and SW. We would have our little 1v1, and the winner drew up our tactical plan. People used to come watch our ritual, pausing their game or whatever they were up too, and root for their champion. It was an ongoing thing in our local group for about half a year. Ah good times.

My "hatred" for SW is mostly just a pseudo in character one.
Meh I voted for them anyways, and also GK, because you know why.

 pwntallica wrote:
Space Wolves. Mostly because I've been a Dark Angels player for 10 years, and they pissed us off that one time so screw them!
I have a friend who played SW that I used to play against all the time back in the day. Whenever we would have games, we would have a sergeant from each of our armies have a little 1v1. The champion that won earned first turn for his army. We had a for fun 2v2 ladder style setup one summer, and he was on my team. Team DA and SW. We would have our little 1v1, and the winner drew up our tactical plan. People used to come watch our ritual, pausing their game or whatever they were up too, and root for their champion. It was an ongoing thing in our local group for about half a year. Ah good times.

My "hatred" for SW is mostly just a pseudo in character one.
Meh I voted for them anyways, and also GK, because you know why.

It used to be a required rule to do the 1v1 champion thing. Makes me sad it got taken out. Also, don't be mad. Lion El suckerpunched Leman and knocked him out

 jreilly89 wrote:

 pwntallica wrote:
Space Wolves. Mostly because I've been a Dark Angels player for 10 years, and they pissed us off that one time so screw them!
I have a friend who played SW that I used to play against all the time back in the day. Whenever we would have games, we would have a sergeant from each of our armies have a little 1v1. The champion that won earned first turn for his army. We had a for fun 2v2 ladder style setup one summer, and he was on my team. Team DA and SW. We would have our little 1v1, and the winner drew up our tactical plan. People used to come watch our ritual, pausing their game or whatever they were up too, and root for their champion. It was an ongoing thing in our local group for about half a year. Ah good times.

My "hatred" for SW is mostly just a pseudo in character one.
Meh I voted for them anyways, and also GK, because you know why.

It used to be a required rule to do the 1v1 champion thing. Makes me sad it got taken out. Also, don't be mad. Lion El suckerpunched Leman and knocked him out

It wasn't a suckerpunch, the idiot let his guard down to laugh mid fight. Of course he is going to get wrecked
Also someone mentioned the rule thing to us as well, though I don't recall it myself. Plus in the fluff it says that whenever the chapters meet on the battlefield, they have a champion from each force fight to recreate that epic duel. Hopefully it helps remind the SW to keep their guard up.

pwntallica wrote:Space Wolves. Mostly because I've been a Dark Angels player for 10 years, and they pissed us off that one time so screw them!
I have a friend who played SW that I used to play against all the time back in the day. Whenever we would have games, we would have a sergeant from each of our armies have a little 1v1. The champion that won earned first turn for his army. We had a for fun 2v2 ladder style setup one summer, and he was on my team. Team DA and SW. We would have our little 1v1, and the winner drew up our tactical plan. People used to come watch our ritual, pausing their game or whatever they were up too, and root for their champion. It was an ongoing thing in our local group for about half a year. Ah good times.

I always do this when my SW and DA take the field together, but with the HQs... Tooled up Thunderlord vs DA Librarian generally ensures the Fenrisian gets Warlord duties

I think Space Wolves are pretty cool when they are one of the few with the balls (and let's be honest, means) to stand up to the Inquisition.

After the Inq decided to start purging everyone that fought on Armageddon because "THIS MUST BE A SECRET! SSSSHHHHHH", Space Wolves were the ones who said "Da feth you doing, bro?!" and protected as many as they could from the claws of the Inquisition and the GK.

Seriously, Inquisition is necessary and those who are good on the job are the best characters ever, but most of them just seem to be power-hungry bastards.

In theory, that sounds good, but at the same time these are supposed to be genetically engineered, psycho indoctrinated super soldiers of unquestioning loyalty, who otherwise never seem to give much of a flying feth about others they fight alongside.

Their fluff is just way too confused and contradictory, on top of being badly written.

 Vaktathi wrote:
In theory, that sounds good, but at the same time these are supposed to be genetically engineered, psycho indoctrinated super soldiers of unquestioning loyalty, who otherwise never seem to give much of a flying feth about others they fight alongside.

Their fluff is just way too confused and contradictory, on top of being badly written.

Space Wolves really suffer because they 'have too many hats'. They are a faction trying to be too many things at once. They are the space vikings; the space werewolves; the Emperor's executioners (or at least they used to be), they're cunning hunters; they are (despite their other hats) one of the most human space marine factions, they always look out for the underdog; but they also stick it to the man and get away with it (Inquisition); they're savage warriors who drink mead and don't take things too seriously... The list goes on.

Normally, being multi-faceted isn't an issue, but in 40K factions need to be simple. Even the Imperial factions only get so many pages of fluff in their book. Space Wolves are a victim of trying to be too many things plus bad writing... It's sad really. They could be cool, but they just aren't.

Exactly.

They have a lot of potential, but just come off as needing to be "bestest at everything", they try to be dark and brutal, but lighthearted and jovial, berzerker and werewolf, but strategic thinkers and cunning tacticians, etc. Many of these are directly contradictory, and it's all wrapped up in absolutely atrocious writing and model releases.

They really just do read like a bad internet fanfic.

lol, so much hatred for the Space Wolves

All I can say is: You mad, bro?



Yeah I know some of it is a bit ridiculous, but it's 40K !! It's ALL ridiculous!

Personally, I love the Wolves - always have, always will

I also have some of the original, metal Grey Knight Terminators, but ever since they got a codex they've been super douchy.... so I'm saying they're the worst



Some other points have been valid though...
-White scars are boring
-Dark Angels models with the robes were always nice, but the death wing termies always looked rubbish. The flying stone shrine is stupid
-I actually really like a lot about Ultramarines... but Tac squads are crap. Take the most expensive, heavily armoured, highly trained, super human soldier in the universe, and then give him an ordinary rifle as his only weapon!!!????
Back in 2nd ed they cost 3x as much as an ork boy, but were worse in melee.
Hasn't gotten much better

Without a doubt, the Minotaurs.

Dang it. UM caught up to SW?! Folks, read Abnett's UM or some of GM's... but not MWard! Don't hang that fluff anchor on our necks.

Here's about 70% of my UM force. http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-44276-29881_A%20Um%20Heavily%20Reinforced%20Battle%20Company%2C%20Done%21.html

I will say, running straight UM forces used to be a ton of fun. People always assumed I was some newb and did dumb crap because they weren't being careful. Now the locals know me a little too well, and being a 35yo ex-football player doesn't project the "newb" vibe anymore.

After the Inq decided to start purging everyone that fought on Armageddon because "THIS MUST BE A SECRET! SSSSHHHHHH", Space Wolves were the ones who said "Da feth you doing, bro?!" and protected as many as they could from the claws of the Inquisition and the GK.

Seriously, Inquisition is necessary and those who are good on the job are the best characters ever, but most of them just seem to be power-hungry bastards.

And in doing so, the Wolves got more people killed than would have been purged, and this was before the war above Fenris, and ended up saving literally no one from Armageddon. So not only did they betray the organization that the Emperor put together to do exactly what it did, they failed to save anyone they wanted to save. Mainly because they are idiots.

The Wolves may be idiots, but they are the Emprah's special snowflakes.

Can I change my vote to GK's? I just looked through their old dex. The fluff reads like it was written by a twelve year old.

Correction. Nine year old. It goes beyond Mary Sue and became something else entirely. Ludicrous speed perhaps.


Favorite chapter.
Marines Malevolent. Those guys are just ____. (rude word for jerks.)

 brendan wrote:
Without a doubt, the Minotaurs.

What's to hate? Sure they get the best of all the toys. Sure they are in the pocket of the HLoT. Sure they specialize in taking down other space marines. But at least they aren't Ultramarines!

GKs are my number 2 choice. I don't know if their new book is any better, but I'm still butthurt from 5th.

Martel732 wrote:
GKs are my number 2 choice. I don't know if their new book is any better, but I'm still butthurt from 5th.

I can never take them seriously again. Not after 5th.

Salamanders!

Because they care too much about the people and not enough about CRUSHING THE ENEMY!

Also, green is for Orks....not marines.

 Psienesis wrote:

After the Inq decided to start purging everyone that fought on Armageddon because "THIS MUST BE A SECRET! SSSSHHHHHH", Space Wolves were the ones who said "Da feth you doing, bro?!" and protected as many as they could from the claws of the Inquisition and the GK.

Seriously, Inquisition is necessary and those who are good on the job are the best characters ever, but most of them just seem to be power-hungry bastards.

And in doing so, the Wolves got more people killed than would have been purged, and this was before the war above Fenris, and ended up saving literally no one from Armageddon. So not only did they betray the organization that the Emperor put together to do exactly what it did, they failed to save anyone they wanted to save. Mainly because they are idiots.

"It's the thought that counts"?