Morning All, Icarus Outrider Jim here.

The Nexus have invaded! Damn he looks good!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/icarusminiatures/the-icarus-project-a-new-sci-fi-skirmish-wargame/posts/1362440





Head over and check him out!

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New update on the mercenaries!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/icarusminiatures/the-icarus-project-a-new-sci-fi-skirmish-wargame/posts/1360204

FLASH sale - 15% Off Gabriel Cross miniature at Icarus website. Check the latest update on news of the Artbook and discount code




Kickstarter Live link - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/icarusminiatures/the-icarus-project-a-new-sci-fi-skirmish-wargame

new update time, whilst Icarus cannot afford physical rewards until they fund the artwork for the project is a different matter. Not only are they 3 backers shy of the first major social stretch they are also offering free art prints and signed box art.





https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/icarusminiatures/the-icarus-project-a-new-sci-fi-skirmish-wargame/posts/1356005

Spread the word! - Jim

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I had been looking for a sci-fi themed game/miniatures for a while now and Infinity seemed to be my best bet, however I stumbled across the artwork from Icarus Miniatures for their character concepts and really liked the style. Now several months later after I have read more of the rules and background, the first miniature has made it from artwork to render to 3D print and now an actual cast. I have got a sneak peak of the cast of the latest mini, Gabriel Cross.

If you want some more info go check out their website http://icarusminiatures.com/ and be sure to keep an eye on their blog, there are some awesome models in the pipeline. I have also popped an image of the artwork just to show how faithful they are trying to be with the models.

Anto, the man behind it all is very open so all feedback is always appreciated as he is looking to create the best narrative gaming he can. Thanks for reading my gushing babble and have fun!

Morning, just a quick update following last night's Icarus Blog, the Kickstarter is due on 7th of September.

As a little preview they have released the finished renders of the impressive looking Alliance Gunslinger and the Brutal Nexus Grunt. I'm really looking forward to the Nexus, High Tech and Savage all at the same time and no Chinese plastic in sight should make for some awesome miniatures!!

As always feel free to discuss and have fun.

Sculpts are looking good. Gunslinger doesn't do much for me, though. I believe Prodos is producing these, yes? Should be good quality then.

Prodos Sculpted Gabriel but the actual production is being handled by Zealot Miniatures in the UK. Keeping it all local should avoid the pitfalls of overseas production and thereby keep the quality high and production on time. Plus judging by the quality of the Gabriel miniature the next batch of concepts will be awesome.

Just in case anyone is interested, we have an AOBR marine, Mantic enforcer, the Gabriel miniature and the Infinity Bounty hunter for scale comparison.

A shame their not 28-30mm scale.

I might pick up some of the aliens but the humans won't fit the rest of my collection.

out of curiosity do you why you chose this scale?

having spoken,to the Boss man, he did have an original 3d print at a true 28mm scale but because the proportions are all true and not exagerated like say a space marine it looked tiny, more like a 20mm. The scale they are in is considered 28mm by the industry but as you can see by the above examples the scale is all different with each company, though they do slot into infinity and mantic well. They will slot into your 40k forces if you true scale your marines though :-D

Evening all, Outrider Jim with a daily update.

A sneak peek time, Contents of the Nexus Starter Box:

2x Nexus Grunts in unique Poses
2x Feral Nexus in Unique Poses
1x Nexus Brawer
1 x Nexus Assassin

These will all be high quality Resin, same as the Gabriel Sculpt. 1st up the Nexus Grunt, you've seen the render above and another unique sculpt coming our way.

I'm really looking forward to these guys, they've got some height and bulk to them and they're not even the largest species in the game!

 jammyjim wrote:
having spoken,to the Boss man, he did have an original 3d print at a true 28mm scale but because the proportions are all true and not exagerated like say a space marine it looked tiny, more like a 20mm. The scale they are in is considered 28mm by the industry but as you can see by the above examples the scale is all different with each company, though they do slot into infinity and mantic well. They will slot into your 40k forces if you true scale your marines though :-D

Do any 3 manufacturers actually agree what scale is for minis?

I'm funny about scale so the most I can go up to for a normal human is 32mm tall, the enforcer is about 35mm tall so I'm guessing that that normal sized human mini is about 35/36mm tall/ 32mm to the eye so far to big for me.

I'm sold on the xenos tho

Alien needs a helmet. Otherwise, yes, he does look good.

I have always been partial to humans so I do like the true scale and correct armour but as an Ork guy, right back to my first bloodbowl team (still have) and my warhammer 3rd/4th edition army even my 2nd edition 40k army was Orks - I gotta love those big green 4 armed Nexus monsters

The heads are separate and yes there are helmets! They are still in discussion over the second unique grunt in the starter so there may very well be a helmeted head. But as a sneaky peek if they include a helmet it will be something along this style, but guaranteed at least 1 mini in the pack with a helmet!

Yeah, that's much better. Love the extra eyes on it, too. Gonna have to keep an eye on this. I hope there'll be a mini only option during the KS.

I'll check what pledge levels are going to be, i'm sure there are miniature level pledges but might not know details till closer to launch date.

As for today, as we saw the helmet image above it might be nice to see the Nexus Assassin in all his glory, plus a little background!

Assassins will arrive on a target planet sometimes months before the invasion host. Along with a small unit of other Nexus, they will gather intelligence about their target area; defences, locations of strategic importance, and most importantly, who the leaders are.
Dozens of assassins may be sent onto a planet, arriving over a period of up to a year. Each will gather intelligence of a particular region, co-ordinating with each other, and the invasion fleet to plan their next move.

An assassin’s mission following the gathering of intelligence; is to kill the most prominent leader of their target area. The confusion that follows the murder of these figures makes the invasion easier, as leaders are not yet in place to make the crucial decisions to stop the invasion

This guy should look pretty awesome!

Evening, I've just seen some sneaky peaks at the next Nexus grunt sculpt, the dude is looking awesome. Can't wait to show him off. In the meantime I though I would finish up the Nexus starter box with The Feral Nexus and the Nexus Brawler.

Feral Nexus

Long before they ventured into space, the ancient Nexus lived in tribes, constantly waging war against one another.

Some of this ancient barbarism survives through the feral Nexus. After being quelled by the Praesidians after their first contact, the more vicious members of the species were outcast, sent to Nexus’ second moon and cut off. Over generations they reverted to the old ways of tribal war.
When Varakos and the Nexus Separatist Movement declared war on the alliance, the general returned to the second moon and tracked down the leader of these feral Nexus. After besting the leader in combat, Varakos enslaved his feral kin and turned them towards his enemies.

The feral Nexus are now used as spearhead troops. They care little for their lives, simply relishing in the bloodshed. This makes them perfect for the first wave in an assault.

On the battlefield, the feral Nexus are unpredictable. They are deadly warriors, but are prone abandoning the battle to feast on the fallen. Even among most Nexus, this is considered disgusting (though there are a number who eat the flesh of sentient creatures in secret), but it is tolerated because of the effect it has on enemy morale

Nexus Brawler

Nexus culture is steeped in conflict. From their earliest days, the Nexus have been famed for their ability to make war. Before their first contact with the Praesidians, war was life for the Nexus. The various tribes would be battling their neighbors relentlessly, fighting over land, resources, or simply just to fight.

During times of “peace”, the Nexus sate their need for violence in vast arenas. Entrants fight one another to the death for the entertainment of their kin. These arena fighters tend to be Nexus who are eager to earn glory in battle, or who desire the wealth that arena combat can bring.

Combatants that survive several combats are often drafted into the Nexus army as Brawlers, close combat specialists. Formed into small squads and given the most fearsome combat weaponry, Brawlers seek the strongest opponents to duel, unable to shake their gladiatorial roots.
Every Nexus is better than most species in close combat, but Brawlers make a sport of it.

I'm loving these guys, as always drop some questions or comments and i'll do my best to answe and as always have fun.

morning all, got the update for the Alliance starter set now.

1x Gunslinger
1x Female Trooper
2x Male Trooper in unique poses
1x Male Trooper with Lmg
1x Female outrider scout with sniper rifle

the Gunslinger we have seen, so feast your eyes on the artwork for the Alliance heavy. that Lmg puts down some serious rounds during a game, perfect for protecting the rest of your guys ( and gals) plus he looks bad ass!

Afternoon all, hope you are enjoying your Saturday gaming. There's a new blog post over at http://icarusminiatures.com with a little more background to the universe.

Following on from yesterday's post , here's the Alliance troopers ready to take on the Nexus. You get 2 unique male and 1 female trooper in each Alliance starter.

The Alliance military is separated into different “Armies”, these are usually made up of the fighting men and women from a particular region, or are formed with a specific task in mind.

The Alliance trooper is the core of the Alliance military. They are a versatile fighting force; and while they lack the skill of the Galactic Marine Corps, they are a very capable fighting force. Alliance ground actions are usually completed by troopers, supported by more specialist troops. But it’s the humble trooper who wins the Alliance’s wars.

Armed with the standard issue 7.62x51mm assault rifle; the trooper’s kit can be modified to fill their battlefield role.

Evening all, hope the day has treated you well. The Kickstarter info is picking up speed so I thought I would round out the Alliance starter with the last 2 characters. The enigmatic Gunslinger and the Alliance Outrider Scout.

You get 1 of each in the starter pack, the outrider is my personal favourite of the two, gotta love the cloak and helmet combo Just heard the Gunslinger has been printed, which is excellent news!

Evening all, I have some new renders to show for the Nexus Grunts. These are the 2 unique sculpts in the starter pack, both arms and heads are interchangeable, and never fear, those eagle eyes that have read the rules. Weapon packs are to be developed (though I'm told, not till after the KS), thereby allowing you to magnetize the arms so you can modify the load outs!

morning! Just thought I'd pop by and show you all the new info on the actual miniatures, not just renders. Things are moving quickly which makes me feel far better about backing this on KS. They have even got a better comparison photo up.

I'll be back if I can get any more sneaky looks under the hood.

Evening all.

For those looking for possible pledge levels etc. Icarus have a link up to the preview Kickstarter page. Just join up to the Facebook play testers page and follow the link. The levels are all fixed but you have miniature only pledges, starter packs and then the rulebook only or complete package.

In other news, work has begun on the Alliance troopers, who should be ready to show as the KS starts. So all going really smoothly, which is what I like to see if I'm going to dropping money on a project. There is even a little tease of the stretch goals, Marines and a nexus General!

Greetings this fine evening. image a sneaky peek at the new Alliance sculpt that will be up on the [url]http://Icarusminiatures.com /url] very soon, and he's looking awesome!

Gabriel Cross is up for sale at Http://Icarusminiatures.com Get him whilst he's hot! I will try and do a little review when I get him for you all.

News and rumours would be a better place for this stuff

Thanks for the tip, I might pop a new miniature for sale post up in news and rumours.

I started this thread as my personal guide to the Kickstarter miniatures and game that is 1 week away! The good news is that sculpting is ongoing and the three male Alliance trooper variants are finished, they will release more as we get closer to the KS but here is another sneaky look at one. I'm really liking the realistic scale that they have gone for with the armour and all the little details - chin strap, ammo pouches, pistol etc.

More images when a I can get the go ahead to show!

Afternoon Icarus fans!

If anyone is interested I posted up a my first ever boxing/review of a miniature for the Gabriel Cross mini over in the painting and modelling section - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/662777.page#8103685

As the Kickstarter is just a few days away - starts monday 7th! - There is a new blog post over at icarus miniatures webiste http://icarusminiatures.com/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-icarus-project-kickstarter/ with all your essential kickstater information.

Have fun all!

Hi!

I purchase the Gabriel Cross miniature and I have to say that it is superb. The quality of the resin is amazing, very crisp and detailed. The proportions are good and the size is perfect to fit with other sci-fi ranges very well, so the existing scenery would be nice to play with.

Can't wait until the KS begins next week.

I am getting quite excited about the possibilities for this universe, even more so now I have an actual miniature in my possession! As such I have a couple of images still left just showing the cuts and design of the Alliance troopers, the ball and socket connection system should make these guys a pleasure to assemble as well as paint.

Stay tuned for updates - I shall try and keep Dakka informed of the Kickstarter's progress and hopefully my own progress on the Gabriel miniature (being a horribly slow painter this is going to be a bit of a challenge! )

Have a good night and In the words of the great ones - "Be excellent to each other"

Really loving the Nexus they are going to be difficult to resist.

especially since I recall there being a 4 armed reptilian race that works as Mercenaries in the 40k Universe

Cool looking models.

I'm confused though, your first post makes it sound like you are just a fan, but then a few posts in it sounds like you work for them. Which is it?

Nuwisha wrote:
Cool looking models.

I'm confused though, your first post makes it sound like you are just a fan, but then a few posts in it sounds like you work for them. Which is it?

Sounds like he is a Outrider - so demo guy for them so much more the first than the second?

I also think that is more the fisrt than the secon option, but not sure.

For the people who like the last pictures Jim posted, there are more on Beasts of Wars: http://www.beastsofwar.com/icarus-miniatures/exclusive-alliance-troopers-icarus/

Definately a fan, I picked up on the artwork and thought it was really cool and then with the Kickstarter looming A few of us have started to spread the word and get some sneaky inside knowledge of what's to come. Collectively known as Outriders we don't have any affiliation with the company aside from really wanting it to succeed. I mean 4 armed 4 eyed monsters a head higher than a human, wider than a human and they are not the largest race in the fluff, who wouldn't want it to succeed Plus as my mini review pointed out the quality of the miniatures is damn good so far!

Lovely models! I will have to work out if I have any projects that call for them...

Any EB's we should be aware of?

Just double checked, no early birds just a discount off retail - which is good for me. The plus, If I remember right, is if they can hit stretch goals then there are extra miniatures included.

Some very cool renders here! Particularly love the Nexus grunts. Only constructive criticism is that the few 3D prints so far don't look as dynamic as those, so it'd be sweet to see a dynamic pose printed. Looking forward to seeing this launch!

I have seen parts of the STL files for the 3D prints- hopefuly it will not be long before there are 3D prints of the Nexus grunts.

With all of the SF miniatures and games coming out and already on the market, is there any company making 3D 28mm spaceships? I'm not talking about just corridors,but where a player could have access to an entire ship. Such as living ,medical, engine rooms, command centers,etc. It seems to me there would be a large market for this.

 Ken Oakley wrote:
With all of the SF miniatures and games coming out and already on the market, is there any company making 3D 28mm spaceships? I'm not talking about just corridors,but where a player could have access to an entire ship. Such as living ,medical, engine rooms, command centers,etc. It seems to me there would be a large market for this.

I thought Spartan was doing something like this, no? I swear I saw different sets that were different sections of a space ship.

Also going to be keeping an eye on those 4 armed aliens. Can never have enough models with extra arms.

The Kickstarter page is online:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/icarusminiatures/the-icarus-project-a-new-sci-fi-skirmish-wargame?ref=discovery

Enjoy the ride!

Beat me to it! All live now, come over and join the discussions!

Totally backed! And left a comment about the Alliance heads. This campaign looks absolutely stellar, get the word out!!

Hard SciFi resin miniatures are hard to come by and the Nexus in particular look amazing for that - love the mix of feral and high tech Nexus in the starter.

Really like these designs. Not grimdark like 40k and not anime like Infinity, rather a nice gritty semi-realism.

Ok I am in

Yeah, reading the background and seeing the art of the different aliens factions, it's good to have a new sci-fi wargame that avoids the cliches of the existing games. I see it with a lot of resemblances to the Mass Effect universe, which is a very good thing in my opinion.

It did remind me of Mass Effect as well, which is cool since Mass Effect is super old-school 70s sci-fi

It was the mass effect vibe that got my attention too! I like the infinity miniatures don't get me wrong but there is just something about the Icarus slightly gritty realism that appeals to me! plus those Nexus boys have some cool helmets

This looks very interesting indeed, has anyone downloaded the rules and have any thoughts on how it plays?

I played some games, only Nexus vs Alliance, and I thinks that it is very dynamic. The game mechanics allow us to play very fluid games. Nothing seems overpower or useless, so I thinks its also very balanced, although at first, the Alliance seems more versatile to us (the problem is that we were playing the Nexus in a traditional way, and they have to be played in a more savage way).

My group and I like specially that the bikes are truly an equipment element, so it can be taken for other players during the game, or the dismounted characters are good enough on foot to acomplish inside missions. We played a scenario in which a group of Nexus bikers have to infiltrate an Alliance lab. To doing it, the bikers have to access the building very fast because of the Alliance snipers. Once they were in, stole an artifact from the lab (protected by Alliance troopers), and then escape with the bikes. In that third phase of the games, the Alliance player were allowed to take their own bikes for the Outriders (Scouts) to chase the Nexus force. It was soo fun, because all were really balanced and any of the two players could have won.

Also, Anto said to us that since it's a very narrative wargame, the development team had in mind to implement a campaign system to help the people that likes RPG's and wargames equally.

Just browsing the PDF beta rules. Can someone explain to me how do you get a 1 on a 2d6?

Page 29. Is this a mistake or did I overlook something?

Now I never did a kickstarted before. How do these things work? I read a lot of stories of people who back them never get anything from them. So it's buyer beware. If I order from my credit card and don't get anything, do I just call my credit card company and get my money back?

Also when if I pledge, when does the money come out? Right away when I pledge or when the kick starter is over and they give you notice before taking money out?

Davor wrote:
Just browsing the PDF beta rules. Can someone explain to me how do you get a 1 on a 2d6?

Page 29. Is this a mistake or did I overlook something?

Now I never did a kickstarted before. How do these things work? I read a lot of stories of people who back them never get anything from them. So it's buyer beware. If I order from my credit card and don't get anything, do I just call my credit card company and get my money back?

Also when if I pledge, when does the money come out? Right away when I pledge or when the kick starter is over and they give you notice before taking money out?

Once the project funds, in 20 something days, the funds are withdrawn from your account. At some later date, once production is complete, they mail you your stuff!

I'm less certain about retrieving funds, I'd think that browsing the Robotech tactics thread would teach you all you need to know about getting funds back from a company that does not meet its goals.

Davor wrote:
Just browsing the PDF beta rules. Can someone explain to me how do you get a 1 on a 2d6?

Page 29. Is this a mistake or did I overlook something?

Yeah, it's a mistake, in our group, we roll 1d12 and it's fine. Since this is a beta document, I'm sure it will be fixed on the final product, since the developer is very active and communicative with the playtesters group.

I've backed a few KS beforeand had mixed results but always used a credit card so if anything goes wrong I can so a chargeback. Icarus has been Anto's passion for a long time so he responds to queries, rule proposals and even sculpting suggestions so I have no doubt he will deliver. the Kickstarter blog post on Icarusminiatures.com us a good starting point as it runs you through all you need to know.

You should probably edit a Kickstarter link into the top of the original post, jammyjim so people don't have to hunt for it. Doing well so far!

 RiTides wrote:
You should probably edit a Kickstarter link into the top of the original post, jammyjim so people don't have to hunt for it. Doing well so far!

Some guy made a thread in Dakka Discussions which links to current KS' of interest, the link may also be found there

When i get a bit more time later I may try and tidy the beginning of the post up, but I have added a quick line in the original post. 25% give or take in less than 24 hours, so it's running smoothly.

If anyone is fence sitting please have a red of the rules, check the artwork out - the miniatures it will generate are looking pretty awesome!

Small companies can't use kickstarter as a pre-order so they really do need people to help. I'm really enthused by this project (if you couldn't already tell ) so spread the word and i'm sure Anto will be delighted by all those that have backed so far.

Since there is a low cost level that actually gets you stuff, I might actually be able to back this. I just had a very expensive trip to the FLGS that ate quite significantly into my minis fund and I was afraid I'd have to back out of this one. Glad to see I won't have to after all. I did notice though, there's no add-on section.

Add-ons are coming Wednesday I believe.


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I hear whispers of a Nexus grunt 3D print in the next week! - This would be a great coup if they can get it out

I was tidying up my copy of Gabriel Cross and thought I might get him in a context shot, especially as Icarus are working on some thematic missions to release during the Kickstarter. The first was possibly a starship/ space station deal so thought I might dust of the old sedition wars and put it to some proper use

It's Add-ons Wednesday! The first wave of Add-ons are up, some excellent deals for quality resin, can you have too much?

Also a scenario with print and play cards is available to download, it's multiplayer so go grab yourself some paper for the printer and get your friends round for a game. I have had smaller games, not one with so many players so it should be fun to try.

The add-on prices are very attractive!

Do you think there will be a printed Nexus to see before the end of the campaign?

If I decide I just want to pledge for add-ons, does the £1 from the base pledge count towards the total, or not?

For example, if I want the 2 Feral Nexus and the Nexus Brawler, would I pledge £19 or £20?

I believe you need £1 for the pledge then you add your options, so £12 for feral and £7 for brawler making £20 in total. Though I have occasionally been known to be wrong

In the comments Ando has said the £1 counts - so you'd need £19 pledged

Just seen that, too many forums not enough eyes

Ah great, just added on for some . This is a really attractive campaign for people to even just dip their toes into, since you get the rules and can add on individual models even at the lowest level!

(And of course once people join in they're more likely to pledge for more as the campaign progresses and the creator shows off more )

Hope we can entice more! Even if the just dip in for some of the minis just for their collection. I know I banged on about their first miniature's detail and quality but it is warranted! They have sold out of the first run of Gabriel so had to order more, this bodes very well for the future miniatures. Plus a Nexus 3D print is being printed as we Speak!

Now a question, would people want to see the stretch goals changed? Icarus are considering whether to add a couple of the other species as stretch goals? Thoughts?

New update released with special digital backer rewards. PLUS the digital art book could also become a printed book with the right amount of support!

Also the stretch goal survey is live over on the playtesters Facebook page - join up below
http://facebook.com/groups/624446314350222/

Vote here
http://facebook.com/groups/624446314350222/permalink/728088240652695/

Ji'tar, Praesidian, mercenaries or stick the same, give your feedback on Facebook, here or on the Kickstarter page.

Beasts of War weekender spotlight! Some excellent reactions to the game and miniatures!

http://www.beastsofwar.com/the-weekender/kickstarters-battlefleet-gothic-returns/

1:14:10 or so. Enjoy!

I like the samurai cthulhuoid. May have to grab one or two figures if that guy is in the mix.

The voting poll is still open till Monday, but the Ji'Tar are leading so you may get your wish!

Went ahead and pledged for the Nexus.

I do like me multi limbed aliens.

Good for the Nexus, and by the poll results, it seems that the next once we are funded are going to be the Ji'tar. I wish that also helps the KS, since a lot of people like the Ji'tar the most.

Samurai Zoidberg looks awesome! I love that concept to death.

It's close but the Ji'Tar (or as their friends call them - samurai zoidberg!) are winning. Looks like we may be changing stretch goals to unlock their starter set, which means get your pledges in folks. I'm clearly not the only one after the samurai zoidbergs (I love that nickname thanks gitzbitah)

As way of an incentive Anto over at Icarus has created this rogues gallery for me to show! That trax is going to be one he'll of a monster

Wow, that Praesidians are taller than I was expecting. I don't know why, but I assumed that they are going to be smaller than the average human.

That Trax is definitely up my alley.

Wouldn't want to walk down your alley! That's one bad ass looking hellboy!

NEW update
More background on the universe and also focus on the Alliance. I do like some well thought out fluff. Makes me more likely to get involved in the universe

https://kickstarter.com/projects/icarusminiatures/the-icarus-project-a-new-sci-fi-skirmish-wargame

Do we know if we'll be able to increase pledges during the pledge manager, or is this going to be the type of KS where you're pretty much locked in once you put in your pledge?

I'd like to know that as well.

I spoke to Anthony at Icarus, pledge manager will go out and ask for your details and Add-ons, if you want to add extra you then get a PayPal invoice for the extras and pay then. So good news I hope, though I'm rather impatient and would like everyone to put their money down now.

I do really want this KS to succeed

I love the look of the Icarus stuff and have been drooling at their concept art since BOW started showing it. The art for the Alliance Marine is pretty much the ideal "sci-fi soldier" in my eyes. I love the more hard sci-fi aesthetic. The aliens look unique and are done well also. I am really hoping this project would fund, but I think it probably has slowed too much since day one. I'll keep an eye on the project though and would love to see such nice concepts brought to life.

The alliance faction is awesome!

This does look cool. I really dig the look of the four armed aliens, and the alliance guys. I love the guy in the duster.

It's how human soldiers should look, love the look! The project will fund if people put their money down. Without KS it's not going to retail and Icarus have been bold asking for the large amount from the start. If they had but a smaller target as a lot do then it doesn't actually cover the actual costs, they really wanted the rulebook produced which has bumped the goal up
up.

It's still tracking to fund so just get some friends in everyone loves 4 armed alien killing machines!

I love almost everything here (except the alliance heads but those are an easy swap). If it doesn't end up funding, coming back with a lower goal is definitely not the end of the world - some campaigns have actually done even better the second time. I am hoping the response they see will cause them to do that even if they don't fund with the £30K / $45K goal.

A bit bummed that the marines got bumped off the stretches, but the Ji'Tar are really awesome, and it's great to see the Icarus team listening to their backers. I'll be pledging in when I get to a proper computer tonight. Any possibility of closed helmeted heads for the Alliance troopers in the future?

New update up! Free miniatures with the £75 pledge! And Ji'tar and Praesidian at that! I really hope the fence sitters pitch in! I agree about the closed helm, I have the Gabriel mini and the helm looks good, I do prefer the outrider helmet though

I heard the conch shell of google alerts and thought I'd drop in and say hello and thank you so much to everyone who has backed so far!

As was picked up on before, unlike a lot of projects these days, we need the money to be able to get the project launched. We're still ticking away, and the centre weeks of Kickstarter are always slow, but as long as people continue to find the project and see the minis, we should be fine.

If the project doesn't fund however, that will by no means be the last you see of Icarus, the rules will continue in playtesting and development will continue, albeit more slowly.

I'd due to get the first Nexus grunt print later this week, and as soon as it arrives I will snap some pictures and comparison shots. I will also work on some simple getting started videos explaining the rules.

If anyone has any questions about the game or the fluff, fire away and I'll get back to you asap

Much love
-Anto

Thank you for posting, Anto, and I'm really looking forward to seeing that print! This project is great and things like that (tangible minis) will only help it gain further exposure.

One question on funding, if this didn't make it would you consider trying again without the physical rulebook printing costs? Not sure how much that adds to the start up funds needed versus just getting a limited run of resin minis to start (with softback or pdf rules).

It was going to be softback for the rulebook but he got a deal that it could be made hardback at almost the same money! We still have time to fund this as is, almost 200 backers now, the first social stretch goal is in sight! If people keep seeing the quality/value of this and that sculpt arrives this could still blow up.

 RiTides wrote:
Thank you for posting, Anto, and I'm really looking forward to seeing that print! This project is great and things like that (tangible minis) will only help it gain further exposure.

One question on funding, if this didn't make it would you consider trying again without the physical rulebook printing costs? Not sure how much that adds to the start up funds needed versus just getting a limited run of resin minis to start (with softback or pdf rules).

As Jimmy says, there's still plenty of time to fund, and more physical looks will only help.

But of course there is a plan in place for if the project doesn't fund. For quite a while I considered running this campaign with no physical rulebook, but honestly the dent it would have made to the funding goal would have been too small to really make a difference. The main cost is the sculpting of the minis, once their sculpted, production can be done in any run size so the goal can be low.

The reason for me that the rulebook has to stay as part of the wave one release is that once the Icarus Project is out in the world and in game stores, why would people pick it up to play off the shelf if they couldn't buy the book. Having a complete packaging, including the book, makes it a much more attractive game not only to the gamers, but also to the stores.

If the project doesn't fund, I'll be going away and continuing to get the sculpting done bit by bit. Some of the models that have already been printed, such as the gunslinger, will probably be put to general sale as soon as possible to raise money for the other sculpts.

But as long as we keep spreading the word, we'll fund and none of that will even matter


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Got a burning question about the Icarus Project, the background, or what my favourite biscuit is? I'm doing a Q&A in the kickstarter comments right now: http://kck.st/1JOpOWz

Live chat on Kickstarter comments with Icarus. So if you have a question or fence sitting, swing by and grill Anto.

New update, focus on the Ji'tar background. They really seemed to have given alot of thought to the background and it should be good fun to create missions in.

Not sure why, but that picture just makes me think...

"What is dead may never die."

....you know the rest.

Stay sharp, those on the fence there is a 3D print of a Nexus Grunt inbound (I've had my sneaky peak and he looks awesome!) comparing the quality of the Gabriel Cross miniature with the print of the Nexus and Gunslinger and these miniatures will be epic!


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I've posted up the update in the first post, hoping that makes it easier for all.

15% Off Gabriel Cross at Icarusminiatures.com until 21/09. Plus Artbook unlocked!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/icarusminiatures/the-icarus-project-a-new-sci-fi-skirmish-wargame/posts/1356786

In case you missed it, until 21st I believe.


Just realised I doubled up on this, my bad, but it is worth it. I've updated my wip post if you want to see the actual miniature, I do recommend him!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/663730.page#8120957

New update up, this time with my favourites - The mercenaries! There are some really awesome artworks for this range already, including my personal favourite of the bunch, Isaac Cross. That helmet design is awesome!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/icarusminiatures/the-icarus-project-a-new-sci-fi-skirmish-wargame/posts/1360204

Love that helmet! Pics of the printed Nexus must be coming soon right?

Hope that picts of the actual resin Nexus model helps the campaing.

3D print was posted off to Icarus last week I believe, so any day now hopefully. We need a little push to get the campaign ball rolling faster and I think the print should do it. Especially as he was looking awesome last I saw!


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3D print of the Nexus grunt will be up in the next KS update, so tomorrow!

New Nexus sculpt printed - check his awesomeness!

Pretty cool indeed. Here is some size comparison photos to the Gunslinger and Gabriel.




So more pictures can be found in the kickstarter post.

He looks good too, nice and detailed... I don't get why this isn't taking off more. :/

You and me both! If you do the maths then it's something like £5 for a high quality resin miniature. I know it's not as cheap as the plastic mountains the likes of mantic can offer :p the details, artwork and concepts are top drawer, having seen lesser games get more I'm a little puzzled.

I think it's just how new the company is perhaps - I don't think, if this doesn't fund, it should be viewed as a failure - I think almost all of us would be back for another campaign. But it might make sense to get another figure or two out there to build up the name? Miniature-13 encountered similar things with their campaign (funded, but had a lower goal) just due to being so new, despite awesome hard scifi sculpts.

I really love this pic:



Looks so detailed and very dynamic... impressive! Nice that the arms are compatible with the other grunt sculpt, to allow multiple variants just by swapping one or both arms

Hm, maybe the newness of the company wasn't in it's favour, but like Jim I've seen worse offerings (imo) get more

Value wise especially it seems a great offer, the quality looks to be up there with other resin companies.

Maybe the higher goal scared them off?

I've been interested to follow this, not only because I actually like the miniatures (and Ando turns out to be a couple of miles away from me!), but I'll be trying something similar in the next year... And not understanding the reason is concerning me! Haha

These sculpts are great but I think the issue is more that miniatures campaigns in general aren't doing so well these days unless it's coming from a big company. Seems like nowadays if you can't fund on your first day or 2 or come really close, then you're not gonna make it.

I think this would do well if they reboot it and aim for a funding goal between $5-10k and not try to do as much all at once. Fund a few things and then add stretch goals for the other stuff. I think with the great minis they could easily get up to the 45k range with stretch goals.

Maybe also drop the hardback rulebook in favor of a print on demand option since it's a new game, and work toward a hardback book in a few years as a 2nd edition, after the game gets off the ground.

Newness of the company is one thing.

But the reason I'm not in on the campaign is that I can't use these minis with my collection.

The humans are too tall for my other 28-30mm humans and the aliens look to be over 40mm tall which is just a bit too big.

In an increasingly overcrowded sci fi skirmish game market for me you need to stand out more. Either you need:

To be the standout skirmish rule set
Have unique minis that fit with other people's collections so they will use in other games.
Minis that are jaw droppingly amazing in real life (this is the only reason Prodos might survive after the AVP bull!!!!)
Be dirt cheap

Out of the above which do Icarus actually hit?

I wanted a set of the humans however, I cannot use them with 40k and I am in the middle of a move.

I could make Destiny Figures out of them but, I'm kickstarted out at the moment as I am waiting on two to send me my stuff.

Bad timing, the dudes are too big, and new company. I really, really, love them as miniatures though. I would buy from them in the future if the chance came up. I wish there was a way I could back it for 1-3 of the Alliance soldiers and some of the aliens so I could theoretically make a Destiny diorama. I can't afford two starter sets.

I don't suppose there is, is there? I couldn't leave a comment or something, could I? If that was possible I'd back honestly.

Vorian wrote:
I don't get why this isn't taking off more. :/

Unknown company, new game (which means it gets hit by the 'will anyone else play it?' factor), and yet another skirmish game in what is becoming a very crowded pool... All of which are becoming progressively bigger factors with Kickstarters.


For myself, I'm not interested in it rules-wise (as I don't need another skirmish game) and while the miniatures are lovely, they're not in a scale I can use with existing stuff... If they make it to retail I might be tempted to pick some up later as a painting project.

My Gabriel is sitting in a post office waiting to be picked up - but from the scale shots it looks like it's pretty much infinity sized, so that would work with pretty much anything that isn't true scale wouldn't it?

Is it a comparison with 40k that people are making when they say they're too big?

Vorian wrote:

Is it a comparison with 40k that people are making when they say they're too big?

Unless they're for a game that I'm interested in playing, or something that I just want to paint, yes, I generally look at new scifi miniatures with an eye to how I could use them in 40k or Necromunda.

Makes sense, I haven't had a hame of 40k in 10 years, mainly blood bowl, necromunda and boardgames since. I started getting back into painting and the 40k heroic scale wasn't appealing to me so I looked at infinity. Found them good, if a little too cheesecake at times but it just didn't grab all of me. Icarus did. I like the true proportions, armour and weapons and the artwork was great! If they don't fund they are hoping to release 1 miniature every month or so - that suits my painting speed so should suit those looking for a cool project. People like what they like, can't force them to change their game preference just cause I want them to but from a hobby side I do urge you to grab one, they really are excellent miniatures.

It is extremely hard to break into the miniature skirmish gaming market place, with many gamers being indoctrinated to love HIP plastics over any other material ( with them not knowing how out of this world the costs are and the loss of detail casting in plastic does to the miniature). I am happy to see more companies like yourself move to true scale miniatures, they really stand out in quality and fantastic sculpting much more than heroic scale minis ever could and more of the market is moving this direction which will help your sales in the long run.

However as I said before we ourselves have come too this conclusion and like what many others have already posted is unless your a well established "older" company not a lot of gamers feel its worth the time to invest into a new game. Which is truly their loss as it encourages companies like ours to move over to much more diverse and more welcoming markets like that of the miniature board gaming market place. With the success of HINT the board game with metal miniatures , it shows that it is possible to still do a miniatures board game with metal miniatures so this could give you the upper hand in starting your game line with several metal or resin casts ready to go for production in and outside your board game.

I would recommend taking a look into this market if your kickstarter doesn't succeed, it may be better for yourselves to start their with a small light version of your game and once its out in production you can grow your fan base and then come back into the miniatures gaming market with a crowd already ready to back and help support your campaign. This or if you truly want to start off with a skirmish game , I would come back with a much lower price , try two factions and set a lower price , perhaps also have your rule book just as an online PDF and just gain some funding too recover your artwork costs for it.

hopefully your campaign will work out, however as I see it right now the funding goal is just too high to be reached, the only way you could reach the goal is if everything was in plastic for all the gamers who want nothing else but it, or if you had already been around for several years running with a full game and a few factions for it.

I would say indoctrinated to like multiposed plastic and ridiculous large battles, for the table space available anyway.

That's why if you want to break in to the wargaming scene with a skirmish game your miniatures, rules and setting must be top and two of the three must be amazing, or the miniatures must be mind blowing.

I would caution you about your assessment of HINT, 970 people means nothing, the true boardgame scene is against models that need assembly, at least assembly that includes more than two or three parts and glue been involved and frankly we have not seen sales of HINT, all the best wishes to them for success, but until we see it selling some good reviews from prominent boardgame reviewers and sales from boardgame sites, I think calling it a success and drawing conclusions and guidelines for other projects it is premature.

Regarding Hint, maybe just a success as far as crowdfunding goes, with the future to be determined (like any campaign really). I think they'll do well, but you do have things like Sedition Wars that launch well on KS but struggle once released.

The humans would be the only thing out of scale really and then, not by much. What are we to compare the aliens to for them to be out of scale??? Either way, I had hoped this would take off but they are being level-headed about the whole thing and mention coming at it from a different approach in the comments should it not fund. That's to be applauded IMO.

 RiTides wrote:
Regarding Hint, maybe just a success as far as crowdfunding goes, with the future to be determined (like any campaign really). I think they'll do well, but you do have things like Sedition Wars that launch well on KS but struggle once released.

Sedition Wars 'struggled' post-KS due to restic, scale issues and almost completely borked up gameplay!

Hopefully all of that can be avoided here - and with HINT!

I actually see a way I can pick and choose what I want.

If I make a pledge consisting of what I want in addons, that's all I need to do right?

Thinking of getting Gabriel Cross, some Feral Nexus, the Heavy LMG guy, and the Outrider.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I would say indoctrinated to like multiposed plastic and ridiculous large battles, for the table space available anyway.

That's why if you want to break in to the wargaming scene with a skirmish game your miniatures, rules and setting must be top and two of the three must be amazing, or the miniatures must be mind blowing.

I would caution you about your assessment of HINT, 970 people means nothing, the true boardgame scene is against models that need assembly, at least assembly that includes more than two or three parts and glue been involved and frankly we have not seen sales of HINT, all the best wishes to them for success, but until we see it selling some good reviews from prominent boardgame reviewers and sales from boardgame sites, I think calling it a success and drawing conclusions and guidelines for other projects it is premature.

Yes for the first sentence , its a real shame as it holds back the fair majority of miniature wargaming and is set on something that is highly unrealistic for 98% of companies to produce. I would argue it is more of a thing of how long you have been around, Strange Aeons has a good will behind it and even though their miniatures are only recently becoming decent they still succeeded on their kickstarter due to their great game being around for already several years and having a community already built up.

I feel it is more a matter of building up a fanbase and community first, Hordes and warmachine were two settings I never heard about before, and they came in and took the miniature table top market by storm, my conclusion to how they did this, is the fact they already had a strong RPG community which helped them grow their setting and start up their game for the miniature scene. Infinity? same thing they already were well known for their historical miniatures and hence already had a community to start from.

Several plastic kickstarters that have produced miniatures of poor sculpting quality and artistic direction have been able to go into the hundreds of thousands bench marks due to being HIP, it is quite discouraging and disappointing for many other companies that produce superior miniatures to get no were because their materials are in the realistically affordable metal and resin. to produce something in even PVC can be fairly costly and with a strong loss of detail, even HIP is not the best for keeping detail.

We will be watching how HINT does in the long term, however most of the issues that people have voiced for their game was the lack of game play information, yes their was a fair amount of complaints about metal, but we see it being fairly easy to produce metal miniatures only being 2 - 3 parts assembly needed at most. We also are looking at just doing PVC miniatures for the board game with optional metal and resins to be sold separately from our site so gamers can get the best out of both worlds.

Infinity though is purely a skirmish game in their starter box focuses have sold very well with their all metal miniatures, I feel the key here is to keep the separate parts as few as possible no more than 2 - 3 which we have felt should be the case right from the start, yes it means a little less dynamic miniature posing , however it allows our gamers ease of assembly because metal can be a great pain to glue together we understand this fully.

We could do a successful kickstarter for a few miniatures ( mostly now that we have moved our setting over to a dark , fantasy area and hence many of them would be useable in many other games which opens us up to a much more larger market place ) however to gain enough to produce enough to give players an option for a skirmish game would still be an up hill battle, most gamers want to see everything already sculpted ( which defeats the purpose of the kickstarter in the first place , as it is needed to fund the sculpting of the miniatures, metal and resin casting is quite affordable, sculpting however is costly) which only the large companies can do. Gamers seem to be focused on wanting only a few high end companies and not too supportive of aiding new companies or starting ones, this in turn discourages many who then go off to markets that are much more open too new games and products.

We will be aiming for our game to be either a pure coop dungeon like crawler or if we want it to be a light skirmish game that could later be advanced to a full table top miniatures game, a competitive multi player game.

However as of right now these are the two options we are looking at, and I would highly recommend Icarus to reconsider how to approach the markets, building a fan base is the #1 biggest thing any gaming company can do, however this is best done by producing a full playable game, and miniature board games seem to be the right area and only realistic area for new companies to go.

Also as an added note keep a watch on your demand, as your game and products become more popular you may eventually have to move over to metal in order too keep up with demand, I myself love resin but understand in a production sense that resin eventually becomes too time consuming to keep up with popular demand.

 JoeRugby wrote:
Newness of the company is one thing.

But the reason I'm not in on the campaign is that I can't use these minis with my collection.

The humans are too tall for my other 28-30mm humans and the aliens look to be over 40mm tall which is just a bit too big.

In an increasingly overcrowded sci fi skirmish game market for me you need to stand out more.

Although we have no interest in the sci-fi market, we were watching this campaign with interest as to why it didn't fund. I think you nailed the reasons.

 JoeRugby wrote:

Either you need:
To be the standout [strike]skirmish[/strike] (army) rule set
Have unique minis that fit with other people's collections so they will use in other games.
Minis that are jaw droppingly amazing in real life (this is the only reason Prodos might survive after the AVP bull!!!!)
Be dirt cheap

Out of the above which do Icarus actually hit?

So what you are saying is that a campaign that includes some or let alone all of the above will strike success? OK, we might get back to you on this and quote you if a certain project fails, lol!!! :-D

Back on topic, with all sincerity to a fellow manufacturer and by no means pretending to be the greatest of experts -but certainly with more experience than the average-, maybe the best way to go if this project fails on the 1st launch (since it's still a live project and we wish it goes through regardless), probably it would be to drop the hard-back cover book, go with a downloadable PDF instead, gobble down any expenses made on the artwork (i.e. you will not be making that money back in this nor the next campaign) and build a community which little by little will grow and support you more. The investment is going to come back after years, but if you really believe in this and keep on building on it, you will prevail and see your game flourish.
That's our take at least, hope it helps :-)

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I would say indoctrinated to like multiposed plastic and ridiculous large battles, for the table space available anyway.

It's not a matter of 'indoctrination'... Plastic, multi-part models appeal to modellers, because they open up a whole lot more modelling opportunity than single-piece metal or resin models do. There are still plenty of people out there who prefer metal, or single-part models, for the extra characterisation or detailing that is available in that medium.

The battle size thing is the same... some people like big battles, some don't. It's not something that people are going to just go along with if they don't personally like it. It's not like there is any shortage of skirmish games out there these days for those who want smaller battles... So if you see new skirmish games struggling, it's more likely going to be due to market over-saturation, rather than some institutionalised preference for larger battles.

I love the fact there is an art book, it really is timing.

Hopefully payday will be kind and before this ends. My worry is it won't fund though if I do back.

Wow, go away for a few days and it gets all serious in here Anthony at Icarus does check comments and all feedback will help him grow his business, so thanks. I personally cannot afford the time and financial commitment to large scale games, hence my interest in skirmish. I think if this doesn't fund Icarus have plans to release miniatures individually and still continue on with the background and artwork as they have been. It will mean a longer wait for us gamers and hobbyists but may then make a stronger platform to launch from again. I like the Icarus resin better than the metal infinity miniatures, but I am a painter more than gamer, but as my nan used to say (about 50 times a day, bless her) it would be a boring world if we were all the same

I've been so swamped at work recently I haven't had time to truly read through everything.

So you can buy Gabriel thus far, even without backing? If so, where?

He's available via their webstore

http://icarusminiatures.com/shop/

Erebus Studios wrote:
Infinity? same thing they already were well known for their historical miniatures and hence already had a community to start from.

I am afraid you need to do your research more and in depth, CB did have a great and successful 15mm ancients line, but almost none of the 15mm ancients traversed to 28mm sci fi skirmish, many ignored it and most were furious when "that new skirmish game" was the reason their wonderfully 15mm line was cut, even though Infinity was 8 years in.

CB provided 10 years ago what people wanted, a sci fi skirmish game that is contrary to what 40k provided, filtered feedback properly and improved on what people wanted and here they are now.

But CB and PP started a decade or more ago, the question is what does a company do now, and how the entry field has changed.


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 insaniak wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I would say indoctrinated to like multiposed plastic and ridiculous large battles, for the table space available anyway.

It's not a matter of 'indoctrination'... Plastic, multi-part models appeal to modellers, because they open up a whole lot more modelling opportunity than single-piece metal or resin models do. There are still plenty of people out there who prefer metal, or single-part models, for the extra characterisation or detailing that is available in that medium.

The battle size thing is the same... some people like big battles, some don't. It's not something that people are going to just go along with if they don't personally like it. It's not like there is any shortage of skirmish games out there these days for those who want smaller battles... So if you see new skirmish games struggling, it's more likely going to be due to market over-saturation, rather than some institutionalised preference for larger battles.

Been gaming from the 90 I feel the GW promotion of been plastic, then the only company to provide it, was neither subtle nor passive, the articles and constant reminder of how awesome and better than metal is, even at the expense of their own kits was in full force and after a decade of been alone the state of metal vs plastic, yes, I would say reaches a point of indoctrination, from my perspective, if somebody blindly shoots down a product because it is not HIPS, it crosses the lines of indoctrination.

The most common question companies that do not offer plastic get asked is when they will do plastic. like plastic is a panacea or that plastic solves all the problems, worse what they mean is when you will make GW like kits of multiposed models, even if that is not what the company is about.

Battles allow me my personal bias as an amateur game designer a 4x6 table is not enough living space for 200 models even less if that is what only one side is fielding, I am not against large battles, do them in proper table size, lets not forget 40k is Rick Priestley's homebrew 15mm ww2 game rules because 6 months before printing the accounting demanded a game system that needed twice the minis.

Plastic has some good things some bad things and can be useful in some circumstance,s even necessary on others, but the demand for it has crossed the lines of been normal and frankly there is only one company behind this behavior.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:

Erebus Studios wrote:
Infinity? same thing they already were well known for their historical miniatures and hence already had a community to start from.

I am afraid you need to do your research more and in depth, CB did have a great and successful 15mm ancients line, but almost none of the 15mm ancients traversed to 28mm sci fi skirmish, many ignored it and most were furious when "that new skirmish game" was the reason their wonderfully 15mm line was cut, even though Infinity was 8 years in.

CB provided 10 years ago what people wanted, a sci fi skirmish game that is contrary to what 40k provided, filtered feedback properly and improved on what people wanted and here they are now.

But CB and PP started a decade or more ago, the question is what does a company do now, and how the entry field has changed.


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 PsychoticStorm wrote:
I would say indoctrinated to like multiposed plastic and ridiculous large battles, for the table space available anyway.

It's not a matter of 'indoctrination'... Plastic, multi-part models appeal to modellers, because they open up a whole lot more modelling opportunity than single-piece metal or resin models do. There are still plenty of people out there who prefer metal, or single-part models, for the extra characterisation or detailing that is available in that medium.

The battle size thing is the same... some people like big battles, some don't. It's not something that people are going to just go along with if they don't personally like it. It's not like there is any shortage of skirmish games out there these days for those who want smaller battles... So if you see new skirmish games struggling, it's more likely going to be due to market over-saturation, rather than some institutionalised preference for larger battles.

Been gaming from the 90 I feel the GW promotion of been plastic, then the only company to provide it, was neither subtle nor passive, the articles and constant reminder of how awesome and better than metal is, even at the expense of their own kits was in full force and after a decade of been alone the state of metal vs plastic, yes, I would say reaches a point of indoctrination, from my perspective, if somebody blindly shoots down a product because it is not HIPS, it crosses the lines of indoctrination.

The most common question companies that do not offer plastic get asked is when they will do plastic. like plastic is a panacea or that plastic solves all the problems, worse what they mean is when you will make GW like kits of multiposed models, even if that is not what the company is about.

Battles allow me my personal bias as an amateur game designer a 4x6 table is not enough living space for 200 models even less if that is what only one side is fielding, I am not against large battles, do them in proper table size, lets not forget 40k is Rick Priestley's homebrew 15mm ww2 game rules because 6 months before printing the accounting demanded a game system that needed twice the minis.

Plastic has some good things some bad things and can be useful in some circumstance,s even necessary on others, but the demand for it has crossed the lines of been normal and frankly there is only one company behind this behavior.

Oh I know their was quite an angry group when CB shut down their 15mm historical range a real shame I have an ancient British army done by them and they are great sculpts. Perhaps it was not the case but it was rather a unique exception with infinity hitting the market as well as it did and solidifying its self into its current dominant position.

However your next part of your post is 100% right on the spot and deserves exalting. big battles should be done at scales made for big battles, 28mm is not a scale you do big battles in ( the only way I see it possible to do so with a reasonable table space is only in a fantasy genre game with small multi based units representing their regiments like the 28mm version of DBA. Skirmish gaming will continue to grow and become dominant for 28mm for several reasons, ease of play, ease to paint ( not having to paint 100s of miniatures just to play a game is a big time saver which gets too my main point here) and the biggest thing of all, time to play a game.

People want a good game that doesn't take over 2 hours to play. people are busy or want to have several games in one day and this is one of the reasons why board games and card games out compete tabletop miniature games. You can pick up a box or pack and be ready to play, table top games take time to paint up and set up and play ( though board games as well can take some time depending on what type of game). So you want to ensure your skirmish game can be played in a reasonable time length around 45 to one hour max is the average I have estimated seems to give a good balance of time length and yet not going to far.

It is hard for new companies and even long time companies to deal with so many gamers who keep on asking and wanting to see our miniatures switch over to plastic or just ask " cool are they in plastic?" and when you say that we do not currently produce anything in plastic , they walk away and get plastic miniatures even if they are the very poor sculpted ones. Plastic can be very useful at times yes , but for the most part its unrealistic to invest in a mold , no one wants to risk 5 - 20000 dollars into a single plastic miniature mold.

Also were many people like the option of a "multi pose kit" I have always felt that the poses tend to be poor quality or just highly silly and always rather pay for a few well sculpted poses and even have a unit with several of the same poses if it means they are better sculpted and much more interesting.

You can do multi-pose to a degree in other materials but as you said it can limit the artistic side of the sculpt. That's why the Alliance troopers are only changeable with the heads, however Icarus have managed to make the arms of the Nexus grunt interchangeable. So you can still get a degree of flexibility in resin, I personally prefer a well designed miniature that if I choose to, can be modified. So how about some more shout outs for the Kickstarter (maybe flogging a dead horse, but hey I'm loyal like that)

 jammyjim wrote:
So how about some more shout outs for the Kickstarter)

Indeed... The scale and material discussions are probably best had elsewhere, so that this thread can just get back to discussion of the kickstarter.