The Rules Lawyer
This guy possibly the most disingenuous kind of player. He is the worst part of Team RAW. The rules lawyer will claim to just be making sure that all the rules are upheld, but in reality, this is far from true. The Rules Lawyer's only real goal is to exploit the hell out of RAW in order to gain an advantage. He will completely ignore the intention of the rules and follow only the wording and will always end up sucking the fun out of games and making hem twice as long.

The Power Gamer
"Fun" is not a word in this guy's vocabulary. When he plays, there is one thing and one thing only that he cares about: winning. He just wants to beat everyone he plays so he can completely rub their nose in it and is clearly massively overcompensating for something. He will build overpowered and cheesy army lists in order to gain his desired taste of victory. The only thing that is remotely respectable about him is the fact that at least he sticks to the rules. He'll often be the Grey Knight Dreadknight spammer or the Eldar player who fields minimum units of Windriders and then spam D-Scythe Wraithguard.

The Munchkin
People will often confuse him for the power gamer. In truth, he is something much, much worse. Like the power gamer, the Munchkin is completely obsessed with victory. He does not care whatsoever about the game being an enjoyable experience for you and winning is the only thing that brings him enjoyment. With the power gamer, there is at least something to be respected about the fact that they do what they do whilst still following the rules. Here is where the power gamer and the munchkin differ. The Munchkin does not care for petty rules. They will not stop him from achieving victory. The Munchkin will do literally anything to win, regardless of whether it is within the rules or not. Unlike the power gamer, he is less annoying and more rage-inducing. Furthermore, it is perfectly respectable to be in Team RAW or Team RAI. This guy has no allegiance and will just use the interpretation that is convenient to him whenever he can. You'll often find him to be ignoring, wilfully misinterpreting or just flat our ignoring rules. He'll also try to sneak in as many extra points as possible (I once encountered one that was fielding 1500pt lists in 750pt games) and will get extremely offended and upset of you confront him.

The Idiot
The Idiot is like a child, he is completely and absolutely clueless in everything he does. Ignorant is the wrong word to describe him, as it would imply that he has not had the opportunity to learn the rules. The more accurate term would be simply, stupid, he has had the opportunity to learn the rules but just hasn't. This guy is not a new player, because that would be perfectly understandable and forgivable. We have all been there. This guy is in fact a fully experienced player who has still neglected to learn the rules and is completely clueless He is like a black hole that swallows up all time and fun as he stands there with this bewildered look on his face as he lets out "um" and "ah", asks you the meaning of rules and checks through the rulebook for everything that he does, taking more time to look up rules that he has never bothered to learn than he does actually playing the game.

Considering how extreme the examples are the idiot is the onl liu one I've come across in person. Met a couple people close to the munchkin but not quite there.

You could sum this thread up as 'tfgs being tfgs' and call it a day, no need to talk about what sort of tfg is the worst.

Ah yes.labeling and name calling. The is completely productive and couldn't possible start a flame war or be insulting at all.

The Casual at all Costs player. The person who makes "Fluffy" lists which consists of random nonsense and frowns on other players for having coherent armies. The person who gets poopy faced when his unit of rough riders gets wiped out in assault by Tactical Marines. The person who decries every semi-effective unit as "cheese" and passive-aggressively tries to force other people to play their way. The player who says, "I don't care about winning" but then gets upset when his bad list gets utterly crushed.

Basically, a player that has to have everything his way or no one will have fun.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
The Casual at all Costs player. The person who makes "Fluffy" lists which consists of random nonsense and frowns on other players for having coherent armies. The person who gets poopy faced when his unit of rough riders gets wiped out in assault by Tactical Marines. The person who decries every semi-effective unit as "cheese" and passive-aggressively tries to force other people to play their way. The player who says, "I don't care about winning" but then gets upset when his bad list gets utterly crushed.

Basically, a player that has to have everything his way or no one will have fun.

Yes! Would definitely add this.

The worst kind of gamer is the the kind who suddenly stab you for no reason.

 toasteroven wrote:
The worst kind of gamer is the the kind who suddenly stab you for no reason.

Outside Context Problems aside, I'd probably have to say that the least fun kind of gamer to play against is the one who decides you have to be tfg just because you beat them...

I played a guy who was using some FW renegades list with the ability to drop 48 barrage blasts a turn, while hiding his weapons behind a fortress of redemption.
The fact that he acted so nonchalantly about his list in what was otherwise a casual tournament, proceeding as if his 30 minute shooting phase was remotely interesting was rather exasperating.
This is not to mention that he became rapidly more aggressive as he started to lose.

Either the munchkin or the powergamer. I'm in 40k for the fluff, never understood people who get wrapped up about WAC lists. If you're into 40k for in the game, frankly your taste for TT mechanics is utter garbage or you haven't tried anything else. The best and only real good thing about 40k is the fluff and the models.

Only real reason to play 40K really is for the campaign and "forging the narrative", all laughs aside. I mean unless you're running a campaign, it's like that one dakka post- 40K is like BDSM. You have to use safe words and negotiate what you bring to the session.

Good thing that most of the top tier lists are totaly fluffy. Ton of jetbikes in an eldar list or a full space marine company, what could be anymore fluffy. Worst type of game ist the pseudo casual, followed by the eldar players, who claim there is nothing wrong with their faction.

The Munchkin. I hate munchkin type players more than anything.

 TheCustomLime wrote:
The Casual at all Costs player. The person who makes "Fluffy" lists which consists of random nonsense and frowns on other players for having coherent armies. The person who gets poopy faced when his unit of rough riders gets wiped out in assault by Tactical Marines. The person who decries every semi-effective unit as "cheese" and passive-aggressively tries to force other people to play their way. The player who says, "I don't care about winning" but then gets upset when his bad list gets utterly crushed.

Basically, a player that has to have everything his way or no one will have fun.

OMG, this! Worse than any of the first four. And they don't bother to read their own FAQs, but get upset if you've read them.

The Military Guy
His military service made him an expert in absolutely everything, from military tactics to firearms. He likes to obliquely brag about all the BA stuff he did (interrogations, paradrops, reenacting Rambo with real ammo) but if questioned directly 'isn't allowed to tell you' what he did while he was in. Makes it clear that his training makes him immune to fear and able to kill with his bare hands, although you're pretty sure you've seen him get chased up a tree by a cocker spaniel.

Encyclopedia Brown
From theoretical physics to the uniform derivations at the height of the Ottoman empire, this guy knows everything. Lacks any relevant college degree, instead claiming to be 'mostly self-ecucated,' which means watching the History channel whenever too stoned to find the remote to turn on Comedy Central. Has an opinion on everything from politics to movies, and will make sure you know exactly how stupid you are if you disagree with him. Is happy to back up his arguments with out-of-date studies and misquoted statistics.

Secret Agent Man
Sometimes easily confused for Military Guy or Encyclopedia Brown, (who might have actually done some military time or have some knowledge) Secret Agent Man is actually his own category altogether. When he gets into an argument, he always has a way to make it personally about him. Discussing restrictions on adoptions? How dare you, his sister is an adoptive mother. How to barbecue? You should listen to him, he was a professional chef for a few years. Talking about a defunct game? Oh, he used to go to national tournaments before that game stopped being popular. Of course, if you want to play he sold all his stuff. If you offer to loan him some of yours, then he's given it up because he 'outgrew it.' Whatever would impress, he can do. Take apart a steel fire door in thirty seconds? No problem. Break into abandoned homes and then tell the police to kiss off when they come to arrest him, because he claims 'squatter's rights?' Does it all the time. Cheats rampantly, using RAI or RAW as the whim suits him, and claims that he must be thinking of 'an older edition' whenever called on his blatant rules violations.

Having played against the Rules Lawyer, the Power gamer and the Military guy I have to say its usually a combination of the 3 that bugs me.

BTW The Military guy is my personal favorite because if you ask a few intelligent questions its easy to find out if they are full of poo.

I remember going to a game store and my opponent kept telling me with a straight face how he was in the Marines and was a Force recon Marine, I asked him what MOS that is, i believe he said 11B which is an army MOS He told some awesome war stories. When I asked him if he had turned his DD214 into the local sheriffs office when he got out he told me of course he had because he had.... At the end of the game I told him I was an Active Duty Corporal and he was full of poo. He got a bit embarrassed and left good times.

The worst: No fair, the dice are not statistical
Players who can't stand losing cry cheese, get really nitpicky or can't stop rambling about their twisted vision on statistics if their (obviously flawed) plan doesn't go as planned because they fumbled an important roll, a small series of rolls. I can barely resist the temptation to lecture the players who claim the dice rolls are "not statistical" about the actual science behind random series of bad rolls in huge numbers of dice rolls, perception of bad rolls in the same collection and the actual probabilities of follow up chances.

The silliest: the over confident
There is also the kind of player who is so convinced of his "power list" powers that he doesn't want me explaining my obscure unit rules or wargear. And totally cries cheese when is confronted with it. Me:You play a lot of psykers this unit does have psyk out grenades and a null rod would you want me to explain them to you. Other player: No I don't care Never gets old just as "you never told me a force axe could do that.." , " whut wait 75 hits from burna boyz inside that transport.." or "they all carry melta bombz :|" a few turns after the usual I don't care.

 CrownAxe wrote:
Ah yes.labeling and name calling. The is completely productive and couldn't possible start a flame war or be insulting at all.

CrownAxe is soft on TFG behavior!

The worst TFG is the jackass. Sometimes he's wearing a Rules Lawyer's clothing, sometimes he's wrapped up in WAAC armor. Either way, he's a bully when he doesn't get his way, is gloating when he wins, and pouts when he loses.

Raise your glass to TFG! Poor fether that lives at home with mommy at 38...

Outside of the Munchkin (he left the game), there's only 1 other player type that I've played against that was really difficult for me:

The Silent Psycho: This person doesn't say a word outside what is necessary to play. Trying to engage this person with discussion is met with a robotic blank stare, as if your efforts to discuss the game are not only futile, but are actively destroying them. They're not in a rush, they're not bad people, they just look like they're ready to snap at any moment and go on a shooting spree. When the game is over, you'll turn around to give results, and by the time you've turned back they're fully packed up and gone.


I can't stand this person for my games. I can't gauge what's going on. I understand that it's probably somebody with a social anxiety problem, and that trying to talk with them likely only makes them more uncomfortable, so I don't blame them... it's just really hard for me to have an enjoyable game with them. And I'm mildly confident that this isn't me... I've played for over 15 years and this has happened probably two or three times ever. I also don't think that this person deserves a "worst gamer type", since it's not they're fault if they face this problem. If anything, I just wish they could open up a bit and chat - even if it's about odd or difficult to appreciate things - because then there's at least something I can work with to make the game a better time for both of us.

The self absorbed gamer: he can fit into one or more of the above catagories at once. The key defining factor is that only his fun matters. You may have fun, but he has to have the most fun. If your idea of fun is different, too bad, give him his fun. No compromise. And if you dare try and walk away from a game because it isn't what you're looking for, prepare for a lecture about how your opinion of fun is wrong. You should play his way, which is, of course, the only right way to play

You realize this is just a way of asking who are the worst kind of people who happen to game?

My choice is a narcissist: in it only for the ego boost, tend to be labeled a WAAC as a gamer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder.

It really boils down to "good sportsmanship" is the goal anyone contrary to that I guess would be a candidate for this topic.
I have to laugh about the website "The Art of Manliness" at least as a title but some of the articles are excellent including this:
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/08/04/be-a-good-sport-a-guide-to-sportmanship/

Like in the article advice: stay positive!

Nah, Power Gamers can be interesting to play against, provided they stick to the rules and don't go full monkey if they lose. Idiots? My friends and I fit into this category, I think, as we can't have a game of 40k without letting one or two game-altering rules mistakes slip through. Granted, we're a close bunch so there's a lot of goofing around before, after, and during every battle, but I could count the games where we got the rulebooks and codices 100% right with one hand. We're not seen very often on the tourney scene, as you might have already guessed, but some of us do like to play semi-competitive and would sometimes seek games outside our circle. My personal etiquette is: If I slip past some rule and it favors me, I stand ready to be corrected - my ego won't suffer if someone points at some paragrapth in a book I had forgotten or overlooked. If I accidentally favor my enemy, good on him/her. It's not the end of the world!

Rules Lawyers and Munchkins are one and the same thing, actually. Maybe they live sad, grey, uneventful lives so stomping people to the ground in a game of toy soldiers is their only source of gratification. Maybe it's that their fragile egos would collapse upon failing at the last activity that still holds some meaning to them. Or maybe the toy soldiers and the rules that go with them are just a cover for their true calling: Making people suffer. A special brand of sociopath that preys on the geek. Whatever. The only difference between one and the other is that whereas the Rules Lawyer would try to talk you into submission the Munchkin would just ignore you or bully his way through.

In all, neither Lawyer nor Munchkin are into this for the lore or the miniatures, much less for the game itself. Instead, their enjoyment derives from trampling other living, feeling human beings under their boots. So, my vote goes to them

The worst is the guy who cheats when playing newbies.

Lying about unit stats ie: saying a zoanthrope is toughness 5, claiming cover saves AND armour saves, rolling and failing a leadership/psychic test then quickly picking up they dice and claiming a passed test.

To cheat a newbie is simply the most lowly, idiotic, pitiful and demented thing I can conceive of.

What about the "But that's not canon!" guy who stops the game (that he isn't even in sometimes) to point out that 'that color scheme isn't part of space wolves!' or other such things?

The Painter Who's Not a Gamer: He has a beautifully painted exquisite apocalypse size army, but when asked to play in store says, ' oh i only paint'.

The Munchkin is the worst, but the Rules Lawyer takes the longest to finish a game. I'm torn.

 Emperor Pigeon wrote:
The Painter Who's Not a Gamer: He has a beautifully painted exquisite apocalypse size army, but when asked to play in store says, ' oh i only paint'.

Hey now, at least he understands his station in life, Ariel...

Though really, I'd rather look at their army in awe, than watch them feel miserable on the table top, while I become disillusioned at their amazingness.

Why is a hierarchy of badness important?

It isn't.

 Emperor Pigeon wrote:
The Painter Who's Not a Gamer: He has a beautifully painted exquisite apocalypse size army, but when asked to play in store says, ' oh i only paint'.

Ehh not sure why that is bad, if he does not like gaming surely that his right not to bother with playing games?

 toasteroven wrote:
It isn't.

But it's fun...

I am the Dark Souls player.

For 6 years I have been fighting the foulest cheese list with my gimpy CSM army from day one. I lose countless times but each time I do a bit better with the limited models i had. I have been fighting Apocalypse titans at 1000pts.

I have never owned a large reaver or revanant titan but now I own a small team of the shortest titans.

This gen are a bunch of whimps and whinging people. They cry that an IK is too strong. I point out that an equal amount of wraith knights are worse to fight if you have no grav. Because WK cost less than an IK, you can spam more of them.

 scommy wrote:
The worst is the guy who cheats when playing newbies.

Lying about unit stats ie: saying a zoanthrope is toughness 5, claiming cover saves AND armour saves, rolling and failing a leadership/psychic test then quickly picking up they dice and claiming a passed test.

To cheat a newbie is simply the most lowly, idiotic, pitiful and demented thing I can conceive of.

This is by far the worst for me. I can't stand to see someone ruin the game for new players. Why? Why do you feel the need to cheat someone who doesn't know the rules? How is that even a satisfying win?

My personal bane is not so much the gamer but the guy who wanders about at tournaments forcibly engaging in conversation with you when you're clearly trying to power through your turn as to finish the game in time. He invariably starts asking you why you don't have this super good unit from three editions ago, and then goes on to describe every single occasion in which he used them.

pax_imperialis wrote:
My personal bane is not so much the gamer but the guy who wanders about at tournaments forcibly engaging in conversation with you when you're clearly trying to power through your turn as to finish the game in time. He invariably starts asking you why you don't have this super good unit from three editions ago, and then goes on to describe every single occasion in which he used them.

He sounds lonely.


The worst player is the guy who guy who purposefully lies to new players about tactics and rules in order to get them to quit the game and sell their models for cheap to them.

I've met a guy who did exactly that to a friend of mine who was just starting Tyranids. It didn't end well.

"The worst player is the guy who guy who purposefully lies to new players about tactics and rules in order to get them to quit the game and sell their models for cheap to them.
"

Been playing 20 years and never heard of this. Yikes.

My most hated players are butthurt hypocritics, people who complain about "that Chaos marine is using Plasma why are you saying melta? Can you please stick to Plasma" and they themselves are claiming a heavy bolter was a f*****g meltagun coz it had an orange strip across it and scoff and look at me like I've taken a crap on their deployment area when I say owt back. I actually took everything packed it up and left when that happened, had to apologise to the manager of games workshop, a happy large fella, for any inconvenience but since then I've had no problems at my local GWS.

One I've encountered:

The angry gamer - he seems calm at the start of the game but as soon as he starts to lose or roll poorly his anger boils to the surface as he throws his nicely painted models at the wall when they die. He complains constantly about balance issues and quitting the game but he can't probably because he has invested too much time and money into it. If you beat him badly with your army he actively will refuse to ever play against that army again. He never ever reads up on tactics on the internet to help him out and tries the same bad tactics over and over.

Oberron wrote:
What about the "But that's not canon!" guy who stops the game (that he isn't even in sometimes) to point out that 'that color scheme isn't part of space wolves!' or other such things?

I like to put Karandras in a squad of Incubi led by Drazhar for just this reason.

I like to see myself as an easy going player, you miss read a rule that kills my Terminator, no big deal, I'm easy going as long as the leniency is mutual, don't moan when I accidentally say I got 16 attacks on the furious charge with a Daemon Prince with Black Mace on a D6 extra attack of 4 (only once)

However I have had a huge number of attacks with the Daemonkin artefact that gives extra attack on a roll of 6

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
The worst player is the guy who guy who purposefully lies to new players about tactics and rules in order to get them to quit the game and sell their models for cheap to them.

I've met a guy who did exactly that to a friend of mine who was just starting Tyranids. It didn't end well.

Really? That's pretty hard to beat!

Which one of those is worse than the other? Yes.

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
The worst player is the guy who guy who purposefully lies to new players about tactics and rules in order to get them to quit the game and sell their models for cheap to them.

I've met a guy who did exactly that to a friend of mine who was just starting Tyranids. It didn't end well.

Sheesh, thankfully I have never seen anyone do this. Trying to buy the newbies models - thats just beyond nasty - its insane.

A combination really. The people who are win at all cost but also get really angry/upset if they're losing are the most unpleasant to be around. A guy trying hard to win and tailoring his army to it is fine as long as he doesn't get pissy and overly serious.

Another hate of mine, gamers who have limp hand shakes. I shake the winner or losers hand every game, it's good sportsmanship and every so often you get a middle aged guy who literally strokes your palm when you try and shake it and you find yourself grabbing his hand and waggling it about.

Firm handshakes after a game is like getting a chocolate mint after paying for a meal, limp handshakes feel like you've been offered a wet wipe.

 KillMaimBurn96 wrote:
Another hate of mine, gamers who have limp hand shakes. I shake the winner or losers hand every game, it's good sportsmanship and every so often you get a middle aged guy who literally strokes your palm when you try and shake it and you find yourself grabbing his hand and waggling it about.

Firm handshakes after a game is like getting a chocolate mint after paying for a meal, limp handshakes feel like you've been offered a wet wipe.

You would love playing me then - I didnt get my old nickname of "Servo Hand" for nothing

 master of ordinance wrote:

 KillMaimBurn96 wrote:
Another hate of mine, gamers who have limp hand shakes. I shake the winner or losers hand every game, it's good sportsmanship and every so often you get a middle aged guy who literally strokes your palm when you try and shake it and you find yourself grabbing his hand and waggling it about.
Firm handshakes after a game is like getting a chocolate mint after paying for a meal, limp handshakes feel like you've been offered a wet wipe.

You would love playing me then - I didnt get my old nickname of "Servo Hand" for nothing

Well, if that is the worst of it we can consider ourselves lucky!
Mind you, if we were to pick bad handshakes it would be "Grab the fingers (not palm) and crush."... nice.

 KillMaimBurn96 wrote:
Another hate of mine, gamers who have limp hand shakes. I shake the winner or losers hand every game, it's good sportsmanship and every so often you get a middle aged guy who literally strokes your palm when you try and shake it and you find yourself grabbing his hand and waggling it about.

Firm handshakes after a game is like getting a chocolate mint after paying for a meal, limp handshakes feel like you've been offered a wet wipe.

Just out of curiousity, do you shake before and/or after the game?

I've only ever shook after but have started to notice a good luck handshake more often (might be because I watch FLG more often for competitive battle reports).

a type of gamer i have come to hate most is the "powergamer who wanders across the room, insulting everyone for not using the most up-to-date internet OP lists."

sadly, we have several of those in our town, and hence we stick to games in our small group and don't even bother going to the GW or local club (they are always there). they are EVERYWHERE, and will criticize EVERYTHING, even if its across the room.

most infuriating example is this situation:
i play IG vs. Nids, have my vulture shoot at some biovores, powergamer comes up to the table,

powergamer - "no you cant shoot that nid, it is out of your firing arc"
me, to my opponent - "well, i am for a more relaxed ruling on arcs if it comes down to a few degrees or half inches, what about you?"
my opponent - "yeah, its totally fine with me, shoot the lil nid"
powergamer - "but it is totally out of the firing arc! you cannot shoot it!"
me - "dude, my opponent said its ok, so would you please shut up and let us play? its our game, not yours"
powergamer -"dude, you are so dumb! and blind! rules are rules, and its out of the firing arc!"
my opponent - "could you kindly feth off already and let us play?"

it went on like this, not even after the nid was shot and the game already had ended, the powergamer stopped pestering us.

kinda like a jehova's witness of powergaming....
"do you have a moment to talk about powergaming, our holy salvation?"
"no interest, please leave me alone"
"but don't you hear? its our SALVATION! POWERGAMING! you will end up in HELL if you do not do it!"

I recognize all of those descriptions and have dealt with each numerous times. I can think of a few others but don't believe I would do as good a job of describing them.

Kinda the nature of the beast when you deal with human beings.
What is irritating is when the person assumes you MUST deal with them.

"Sorry, I appear to not like you.
This conversation is ended.
You are still speaking?
Did I not make my wishes clear?
So you feel entitled to bother me even after being told to move along?
<sign> How many miniatures of yours do I need to break to get you to stop?
This is the only means to keep you quiet right?
I could remind you if you choose to be violent then police will be involved, I promise.
Thank-you for seeing reason.

That was an actual conversation with some fellow I was sure was off his meds or something. I had not listed what was said before to preserve sanity. His multitude of "helpful" suggestions/demands of how we should play and some name calling when we did not jump to what he had to say.

I usually seem to attract "crazy" people at bars so FLGS should be no different I guess.

 Talizvar wrote:
Kinda the nature of the beast when you deal with human beings.
What is irritating is when the person assumes you MUST deal with them.

"Sorry, I appear to not like you.
This conversation is ended.
You are still speaking?
Did I not make my wishes clear?
So you feel entitled to bother me even after being told to move along?
<sign> How many miniatures of yours do I need to break to get you to stop?
This is the only means to keep you quiet right?
I could remind you if you choose to be violent then police will be involved, I promise.
Thank-you for seeing reason.

That was an actual conversation with some fellow I was sure was off his meds or something. I had not listed what was said before to preserve sanity. His multitude of "helpful" suggestions/demands of how we should play and some name calling when we did not jump to what he had to say.

I usually seem to attract "crazy" people at bars so FLGS should be no different I guess.

Wow, that... Thats a crazy guy

The idiot is the worst. While the others can suck the fun out of the game if you let them, the Idiot will suck the life out of the game regardless of what you do.

SJ

Can we add the guy who decides to sit at your table and badmouth the game you're playing to the list?

At a particular store around here, the 40k players and the WM/H players occasionally interact on open gaming nights. Most of the time, things are fine, but I don't know if it is my area, or the nature of Warmachine players, but I seem to attract a large amount who love to sit at your table and discuss how lousy 40k/AoS to you as you are playing it.

It is why I dislike WM/H players in general now.

 curran12 wrote:
Can we add the guy who decides to sit at your table and badmouth the game you're playing to the list?

At a particular store around here, the 40k players and the WM/H players occasionally interact on open gaming nights. Most of the time, things are fine, but I don't know if it is my area, or the nature of Warmachine players, but I seem to attract a large amount who love to sit at your table and discuss how lousy 40k/AoS to you as you are playing it.

It is why I dislike WM/H players in general now.

To be fair though, compared to WM/H 40K and AoS are pretty lousy.

There are quite a few "bad apples" examples, of gamers. However, I am very surprised that no one has mentioned my personal pet peeve.

GAMERSCUM: a person found within a gaming store who smells as if he has not bathed in weeks. His foul, halitosis breath is enough to curdle milk into cheese immediately. When in an enclosed space, this guy can be smelled from across the store. His pants look as if they have not been washed for weeks. His shirts are stained from the food he has eaten over the last 48 hours. His socks and feet stink as though his footwear could go walking off on its own power.
This is the guy that give all the rest of us normal hygienic hobbyists, a really bad name.

I can handle any of the above personality types, no problems. But if someone is a dirty Gamerscum, there is no remorse for letting him get an earful of proper hygiene etiquette.

The idiot perfectly lends itself to slow play, I will never forget the jackass that wanted to look up the rules for power armor and was playing Space Marines.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
Can we add the guy who decides to sit at your table and badmouth the game you're playing to the list?

At a particular store around here, the 40k players and the WM/H players occasionally interact on open gaming nights. Most of the time, things are fine, but I don't know if it is my area, or the nature of Warmachine players, but I seem to attract a large amount who love to sit at your table and discuss how lousy 40k/AoS to you as you are playing it.

It is why I dislike WM/H players in general now.

To be fair though, compared to WM/H 40K and AoS are pretty lousy.

Glad it isn't just in my store that this exists. Thanks for that.

I've got more than a bit of "The Idiot" in me. It's mainly because I have a terrible memory for specifics, and often the wording does matter. When I try to quote TV shows and movies I've seen a dozen times, I get the intent of the quote right, but the actual words very wrong. My memory is even somewhat odd - it transitions seamlessly from remembering to imagining, and sometimes doing both at once.

If I put my mind to it and reason it out, I can often remember the way it must be. Like for characteristic tests, I don't remember how they work, but given how low most characteristics are, I imagine they're taken on 1d6, and since 1 is the minimum for most stats (some of which result in instant-death if they reach 0) and given how it's impossible to roll a 0 without modifiers, rolling equal to the characteristic must mean a pass, and since larger characteristic numbers mean more powerful, it must mean that a lower roll is better, so rolling under the stat number must also mean a pass. So I can conclude that to make any sense, characteristic tests work by rolling 1d6, and comparing it to the model's statistic. If the result is equal to or lower than the stat, then it means you passed.

That took me about 5 minutes of reasoning in my sleep deprived state. It would've been quicker just to look it up in the book (and more reliable, since rules don't always make sense).


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 Dozer Blades wrote:
The idiot perfectly lends itself to slow play, I will never forget the jackass that wanted to look up the rules for power armor and was playing Space Marines.

...Did they add rules for operating in a vaccuum or other atmospherically-lethal environment while I was gone?

Doesn't it work the same way all armor works - it provides an armor save which is included in the statline?


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SYKOJAK wrote:
There are quite a few "bad apples" examples, of gamers. However, I am very surprised that no one has mentioned my personal pet peeve.

GAMERSCUM: a person found within a gaming store who smells as if he has not bathed in weeks. His foul, halitosis breath is enough to curdle milk into cheese immediately. When in an enclosed space, this guy can be smelled from across the store. His pants look as if they have not been washed for weeks. His shirts are stained from the food he has eaten over the last 48 hours. His socks and feet stink as though his footwear could go walking off on its own power.
This is the guy that give all the rest of us normal hygienic hobbyists, a really bad name.

I can handle any of the above personality types, no problems. But if someone is a dirty Gamerscum, there is no remorse for letting him get an earful of proper hygiene etiquette.

If it matters, I used to go 3 months without showering or bathing at a time. As it turns out, I had schizophrenia, one of the symptoms of which is poor hygiene habits. To me though, all I knew was that I was terrified of taking a shower because I 100% believed that the scene with the pink goo in the bathtub from Ghostbusters 2 was going to play out right then and there in real life, only instead of kidnapping a kid, the goo would murder me.

If you're wondering how they deal with the smell, it's because they just can't even smell it anymore. It slowly ramps up over a couple of weeks, then vanishes in the same way that after a couple of weeks of constant construction going on across the street, I didn't even hear it anymore, and only noticed it one day when I woke up and something felt very, very off. It took me a couple of minutes to realize that there was silence, a sound which had become entirely foreign to my ears.


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 KillMaimBurn96 wrote:
Another hate of mine, gamers who have limp hand shakes. I shake the winner or losers hand every game, it's good sportsmanship and every so often you get a middle aged guy who literally strokes your palm when you try and shake it and you find yourself grabbing his hand and waggling it about.

Firm handshakes after a game is like getting a chocolate mint after paying for a meal, limp handshakes feel like you've been offered a wet wipe.

I usually go for a "good game" hug.

Most people haven't been physically inside their opponents before being legally a person with rights though...


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As for my own "Worst 40k gamer I ever encountered" I'd have to say it's the guy who posted a thread on Dakka about "Post your favorite 40k art!"

I mean, sure, I didn't expect the most favorable response when I replied with fanart a friend had done of my Master's character and my character armored in steampunkish Astartes and Sororitas armor (respectively) that I'd done a hack job of colorizing the line art with my bad photoshop skills... Particularly considering most 40k gamers aren't big on anthro characters...

But I still think the repeated death threats from the thread creator were wholly un-necessary, even if they were so over-the-top and ludicrous that I couldn't take them seriously.

I'm glad that pretty much everyone in the thread stood up for me until it was locked though. Makes me feel good about this community - regardless of opinions on artistic merit or whatever, that kind of crap was unacceptable.

He was attempting to waste more time. He also wanted to looked up the rules for the bolter.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
He was attempting to waste more time. He also wanted to looked up the rules for the bolter.

If he was new to Marines/Imperials, that might actually make sense. I sure as hell wouldn't know the stats of every Tyranid or Chaos Daemons model and weapon by heart in my first game with them.

Also, regarding your Rorscharch (spelling?) test forum avatar, I saw a pair of man's danglybits with mysterious holes before I saw the insect it was obviously supposed to be. I wonder what a psychologist would think of that.

I'm surprised no one's mentioned Mr Money yet. He's not necessarily a bad guy to play against, but he does have cash and he does use it to gain power. New Codex out and it's OP? He'll dump 500+ bucks on Codex and required models without even blinking. His previous (often large and nicely painted) army will never see a gaming table again, unless they get a new and powerful Codex. Army loyalty is for losers, winners pay for winning.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
He was attempting to waste more time. He also wanted to looked up the rules for the bolter.

If he was new to Marines/Imperials, that might actually make sense. I sure as hell wouldn't know the stats of every Tyranid or Chaos Daemons model and weapon by heart in my first game with them.

Seriously ... I asked one of his team mates and discovered he'd been playing for over ten years.

Maybe this is harsh but the one I could never stand is the 'You play Warhammer too? We're best friends now' guy. Met a guy once who was new and wanted to play with me, I'm also quite new.. It was fun first go (even though he got distracted very easily by things in the store, I suspect he had ADHD which might explain the behaviour I'm about to describe) so I added him on Facebook so we can meet up and play again. Except it turned into him messaging me all the time about things he just bought or things he just painted. Or even things he's thinking about buying or things he's thinking about painting.

It's like going on one date and the person afterwards messages you CONSTANTLY. Huge turn off.

Had to cut off communications with that guy to keep my sanity.

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 Emperor Pigeon wrote:
The Painter Who's Not a Gamer: He has a beautifully painted exquisite apocalypse size army, but when asked to play in store says, ' oh i only paint'.

Ehh not sure why that is bad, if he does not like gaming surely that his right not to bother with playing games?

i know but it just seems like such a waste.

Ha! I must admit I like these kinds of forums, you half expect extreme negativity and it just turns out being observations of human nature.
- The "You have a similar interest as me so we will be best buds forevah!" when I was younger I think I was one of those... I like people a whole lot less now, so I have proper boundaries...
- Mr Moneybags: pay to win! An expected outcome. They only irritate in direct proportion to how rich they are and how much they point that out.
- The "memory/thinking challenged"... I think that is just the reaction to seeing someone in over their head, has no idea they are: it is painful to watch once you realize this is not a new player.
- The easily distracted... my son has ADHD, he may go on a tangent but the guy is ALWAYS in a hurry (probably afraid he would forget his plan) so it always felt like speed gaming to me.

I think it boils down to "no-fun" types are the self-absorbed.
You are merely an object for their amusement.
Part of courtesy is to acknowledge the other person, when they obviously have zero interest in you, it is rather off-putting.
Happy opponents as well as my happiness = good times now and future good games with that person = win-win.

 Dozer Blades wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Dozer Blades wrote:
He was attempting to waste more time. He also wanted to looked up the rules for the bolter.

If he was new to Marines/Imperials, that might actually make sense. I sure as hell wouldn't know the stats of every Tyranid or Chaos Daemons model and weapon by heart in my first game with them.

Seriously ... I asked one of his team mates and discovered he'd been playing for over ten years.

Welp, I'm out of possible legitimate explanations.

Think harder chief !

 Dozer Blades wrote:
Think harder chief !

Alzheimer's?

The only one of these I personally (might) have experience with is the Munchkin. In my last tournament, I played against a guy who had a Khorne Daemonkin Chaos Lord with two artifacts. This is against the rules. He somehow managed to convince the TO that it was okay. I did bring it up, but ultimately let it slide as it didn't give him a huge advantage (he paid the right points for the character) and I am perhaps a little too easygoing for my own good. I lost the game, but not because of that. After the tournament was over and the winners were announced (I don't recall the munchkin being one of them), I heard another player complaining to the TO about how the offending player misinterpreted one of the Maelstrom of War Objective cards and somehow scored 5 points off of it. AFAIK, there is only one card that can possibly score that many, and this one wasn't it. If it had been me in that game, I definitely would have called bs on that one.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
The only one of these I personally (might) have experience with is the Munchkin. In my last tournament, I played against a guy who had a Khorne Daemonkin Chaos Lord with two artifacts. This is against the rules. He somehow managed to convince the TO that it was okay. I did bring it up, but ultimately let it slide as it didn't give him a huge advantage (he paid the right points for the character) and I am perhaps a little too easygoing for my own good. I lost the game, but not because of that. After the tournament was over and the winners were announced (I don't recall the munchkin being one of them), I heard another player complaining to the TO about how the offending player misinterpreted one of the Maelstrom of War Objective cards and somehow scored 5 points off of it. AFAIK, there is only one card that can possibly score that many, and this one wasn't it. If it had been me in that game, I definitely would have called bs on that one.

I've misinterpreted rules like that before. In my case, the misinterpretation was in my opponent's favor. Her Ork Boyz mob controlled two objectives instead of one, in the first edition where it was stated that a unit could only hold one objective at a time (6th, I think).

I imagine that if we'd known that rule correctly, she'd've deployed that mob a lot differently, or maybe been more aggressive with it (such as using it to go and try to take an objective worth more points than either of those, which I had only a small unit of Scouts guarding). Particularly with my pointing out that with those two objectives under control, she had enough points to win so long as I wasn't contesting either of them.

 Yarium wrote:
Outside of the Munchkin (he left the game), there's only 1 other player type that I've played against that was really difficult for me:

The Silent Psycho: This person doesn't say a word outside what is necessary to play. Trying to engage this person with discussion is met with a robotic blank stare, as if your efforts to discuss the game are not only futile, but are actively destroying them. They're not in a rush, they're not bad people, they just look like they're ready to snap at any moment and go on a shooting spree. When the game is over, you'll turn around to give results, and by the time you've turned back they're fully packed up and gone.


I can't stand this person for my games. I can't gauge what's going on. I understand that it's probably somebody with a social anxiety problem, and that trying to talk with them likely only makes them more uncomfortable, so I don't blame them... it's just really hard for me to have an enjoyable game with them. And I'm mildly confident that this isn't me... I've played for over 15 years and this has happened probably two or three times ever. I also don't think that this person deserves a "worst gamer type", since it's not they're fault if they face this problem. If anything, I just wish they could open up a bit and chat - even if it's about odd or difficult to appreciate things - because then there's at least something I can work with to make the game a better time for both of us.

I've played this player before in a tournament. The kind who only ever answers you in single words if not just a " look", and when they win they pretty much just nod and get up and walk away. How is that fun at all? It made my first tournament experience the most boring games I've ever played.

The 'I know how to play your army here let me lecture you about it while you're trying to think of how to get your Terminators out of the way of those Khorne Berserkers which already have about 6 Chaos Boons'

Think you know what I mean.

The back seat gamer!

I hate this guy, we have a couple in our GWS.

Whilst they dont play your army or even like the faction you collect. they know/ think they know every rule and tactic possible. they have a habit of helping the losing player by giving him tactics and pointing out weakness to exploit in enemy units.

whilst advice is not by any means a bad thing and can help gamers gain new tactics and unit knowledge. the back seat gamer always goes to far and tries to involve themselves in the playing of the whole game.

when you are sneakily getting your units in position for a game changing charge or creating a well planned shooting phase. this guy will point it out to your opponent and tell them exactly how to counter it. creating that awkward moment when your opponent wants to listen but knows its unfair because he/she didn't spot it themselves.

the Back seat gamer is the worst and usually is a power gamer or rules lawyer in their own games.

Yeah they are the worst for sure.

Not as bad as some of the others, but I've encountered this more than a few times:

The Hypochondriac
This person feels the need to inform you of their perceived health issues, and bring them up at all times. They will carefully straighten the pages of their rulebook while shoving their ill-painted models across the table claiming to be "OCD", ask you to pick up anything that drops on the floor due to their "bad back/knees", and bring up various hardships in their life caused by "health problems" (aka obesity). They will claim social anxiety and panic attacks, and blame their eyes/nervous twitch for paintjobs (which really are fine).

There are people with real issues, but faking them for sympathy is insulting. I once played an elderly man who legitimately couldn't read his dice from less than 6 inches away, and he complained far less than the obese guy who whined about being too fat to join the military every single game.

What do we call the pain in the ass that falls under everyone of these categories? I play one of them... The Emperor protects...

Honestly, the most irritating gamer I've played against (not necessarily the worst) is the "Why are you playing that faction??" guy/ girl

They're probably a variant of the powergamer, but they know, for certain, that your faction is useless and don't mind telling you so

I've played with The Idiot, a 35 years old chaos fan, unemployed still living with his parents (Im 27 and live with my mom, but at least I do go to work, lol). Why?

- Moving his units slowly, measuring every fethin' inch in and then measuring again and again and again. And on your turn measuring your own moves.
- He rollplays near the table. I dont mind this, but he is doing it every roll and he is doing it lame.
- He cheats and his cheat attempts a redicilous. He gives Ignore Cover to weapons and squads that don't have it. He gives warlord traits that does not exist in the game and etc.

All this prolongs the game and a fast, 30-50 minutes 500 points of Eternal War converts into a hellish, half and a hour game where I double check rules and argue rather than play.

And yeah, he only plays "Eternal War", because Maelstorm is "Broken", "Imbalanced" and because.... no real argument.

Edit:
He got a little bit of the Munchkin, cause he is obssesd with winning. We always start with "Let's warm up with a friendly game with house rules" and If he starts to lose it the game quickly convets into what I described above.

The crusty chain smoker who's never been introduced to soap & water.

I can take incredible BO - 18+ years of competitive girls hockey plus nearly a decade of on-ice officiating has all but rendered me immune to sweat stink... But that dude who looks like he's washed his clothes maybe once a month, while smoking a pack a day minimum? Good night, I'm floored.
Even worse when you're trapped with such an individual in a small gaming room, during the dead of winter and the LGS has jacked the heat up because it's -30 outside.

And it seems to only take about 5 minutes for that gak to leach into your own clothes, so you get the choke on the stench all the way home, and then end up having to throw on an emergency load of laundry or risk that smell leaching into the hamper for the next week.

Experiment 626 wrote:
The crusty chain smoker who's never been introduced to soap & water.
I can take incredible BO - 18+ years of competitive girls hockey plus nearly a decade of on-ice officiating has all but rendered me immune to sweat stink... But that dude who looks like he's washed his clothes maybe once a month, while smoking a pack a day minimum? Good night, I'm floored.
Even worse when you're trapped with such an individual in a small gaming room, during the dead of winter and the LGS has jacked the heat up because it's -30 outside.
And it seems to only take about 5 minutes for that gak to leach into your own clothes, so you get the choke on the stench all the way home, and then end up having to throw on an emergency load of laundry or risk that smell leaching into the hamper for the next week.

My wife plays goalie, 11 year old son forward, the smell can be bracing, I can sympathize. I hope he is not one of those who think running clothes in the dryer is all that is needed to freshen them up... pulled out more hair than anything out of lint trap when I lived in an apartment building quasi retirement home. My nemesis is a multiple pack a day, oyster hack, coke nail and white hair into pony tail and nose hairs trying hard to become a mustache, with the classic "love" \ "hate" tattoos on fingers, nice guy oddly but hygiene is just wrong.

As a self-professed Munchkin, I'd say the Idiot is the worst player to meet, especially since this label includes way more people than what seems to be aware here.

On a 100% more serious note, I HATE Munchkins and other WAAC player types, doesn't matter if they always claim the rules should be RAW or RAI. Apparently a healthy middle-ground is out of the question. 40k and other GW games are not that well designed so if one wants to play them anyway, then some compromise is needed. This still includes the Idiot types to my hate-list though since they don't even know the rules to begin with. I've had some good games in 40k and some interesting conversations about how a rule should be applied. Munchkins, related WAACs and Idiots suck the fun out of the game and the discussions about the game meta.

I actually play against a guy who is the combination of all four.

He will exploit any possible interpretation of the rules if it will help him win, plays both Eldar and Grey Knights, has literally said "I only enjoy the game if I win" and yet seems to know nothing of the wider rulebook other than the parts that directly influence him, and even those he gets wrong.

Fortunately I think I've only ever lost a handful of games to him. Yet on the flip side, when he's losing BOY is he grumpy...

Well, if we are in the mood to "self profess" I would forward one type I think was not mentioned:
"The old grognard that gets his rules editions messed up."
If it is frustrating for me, it must be worse for my opponent.

the worst type is definetly munchkin/WAC type i have an army of almost entirley troops for CSM its not an impossible feat to to pull off wins as a footslogger list, and is always interesting as i can pull any of the specialty elites ( plauge marines berzerkers rubric and noise marines) for variety as well as the special chars associated with them. if i try i can win. so i pose the question does a pair of 20 man blobs of plauge marines w/ typhus count as cheese?

 KaptainKaoz wrote:
the worst type is definetly munchkin/WAC type i have an army of almost entirley troops for CSM its not an impossible feat to to pull off wins as a footslogger list, and is always interesting as i can pull any of the specialty elites ( plauge marines berzerkers rubric and noise marines) for variety as well as the special chars associated with them. if i try i can win. so i pose the question does a pair of 20 man blobs of plauge marines w/ typhus count as cheese?

Nope. not at all in my book. Annoying, but not cheese.

PS. S10 anything will destroy you in a heart beat so dont get too excited that you have that many bullet sponges

I'd like to add another one: The Prophet. That gamer that thinks their favorite company/game is so much better than yours and never ceases to remind you that his game is cheaper/better. I understand trying to promote the game you like but don't just keep going on about it when I'm trying to play. Bring a demo kit if you really believe in it and want to promote it.

Did we already get Little Kids on the list? I occasionally play my friends brother, who plays "Lets put a cryptek in every 20 man blob of warriors" necrons. If he ever starts to lose, he will lose his mind and break down in front of everyone.

Hilariously this happened one time because his partner who was playing DA had a "fool proof" plan to charge his Tac squad into the kid's lord on a chariot to capture an objective... and this is somehow possible in the rules.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Did we already get Little Kids on the list? I occasionally play my friends brother, who plays "Lets put a cryptek in every 20 man blob of warriors" necrons. If he ever starts to lose, he will lose his mind and break down in front of everyone.

Hilariously this happened one time because his partner who was playing DA had a "fool proof" plan to charge his Tac squad into the kid's lord on a chariot to capture an objective... and this is somehow possible in the rules.

hehe yeah it can be kinda awkward yet somehow funny when a kid has a meltdown.

Curiously it can be rewarding to let a kid win tho. Especially if you talk yourself up before and during the game "I am the best player in this whole city". Then as things go pear shaped and you start losing you can make all sorts of ridiculous excuses "oh this dice is faulty". Even more fun you can help them make correct decisions by pleading with them to do the opposite "please don't shoot my warlord, he is a nice guy", or "you don't need that objective, you can ignore that tactical card its wrong, just go into that corner its safer".

Honestly, I've met kids that are far more mature than some adults who play the game.

 scommy wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Did we already get Little Kids on the list? I occasionally play my friends brother, who plays "Lets put a cryptek in every 20 man blob of warriors" necrons. If he ever starts to lose, he will lose his mind and break down in front of everyone.

Hilariously this happened one time because his partner who was playing DA had a "fool proof" plan to charge his Tac squad into the kid's lord on a chariot to capture an objective... and this is somehow possible in the rules.

hehe yeah it can be kinda awkward yet somehow funny when a kid has a meltdown.

I have fond (okay, maybe not as the guy went nuts) memories of a kid charging my friend's Seer Council with a CSM Dread in 3rd ed, despite said friend asking him several times if this was the best course of action.

To me, the worst is the guy who shows up every weekend with nothing painted, at all.

There's a lot of stuff that annoys me. The mooch. Ohh, i forgot my tape, codex, and templates. Can i borrow yours? I dont have any spare money, can i have some of your pizza? Every week.

The guy that doesnt know his codex. Constantly misquoting unit stats, weapon profiles, etc. Plus, he doesnt own army builder and doesnt have a list written down, so you just gotta take his word on it. Ohh yeah, and the codex is too expensive, so can he borrow yours?

The gross player. He smells like sour milk and feet. Enough oil in his hair to fry a chicken. Probably doesnt bathe.


Ohh, and this is all the same guy at the lgs that i go to, occasionally. Suffice it to say, none of us really play with him anymore.

I will be fair, I do not own a hardcopy of my codex. My codex is on my laptop. And refuse to drag £1200 plus software and upgrades of PC to my local club each Sunday.
I have been nagged to get a hard copy of my codex and I will.
Once GW release the next version and only if it is a vast improvement on the nerfdex that we got lumped with this time round.

To me the worst player is the munchkin, that being said I'm guilty sometimes of being the mooch. There have been times that I've forgotten my tape measure or dice and I've borrowed my opponents, so now I make an effort to remember to bring everything with me

Experiment 626 wrote:
The crusty chain smoker who's never been introduced to soap & water.

I can take incredible BO - 18+ years of competitive girls hockey plus nearly a decade of on-ice officiating has all but rendered me immune to sweat stink... But that dude who looks like he's washed his clothes maybe once a month, while smoking a pack a day minimum? Good night, I'm floored.
Even worse when you're trapped with such an individual in a small gaming room, during the dead of winter and the LGS has jacked the heat up because it's -30 outside.

And it seems to only take about 5 minutes for that gak to leach into your own clothes, so you get the choke on the stench all the way home, and then end up having to throw on an emergency load of laundry or risk that smell leaching into the hamper for the next week.

I played highschool football and spent 4 years in the marines, including a deployment to afghanistan, and ive never smelled as bad as the 2 years i played hockey when i was little.

 scommy wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
Did we already get Little Kids on the list? I occasionally play my friends brother, who plays "Lets put a cryptek in every 20 man blob of warriors" necrons. If he ever starts to lose, he will lose his mind and break down in front of everyone.

Hilariously this happened one time because his partner who was playing DA had a "fool proof" plan to charge his Tac squad into the kid's lord on a chariot to capture an objective... and this is somehow possible in the rules.

hehe yeah it can be kinda awkward yet somehow funny when a kid has a meltdown.

Curiously it can be rewarding to let a kid win tho. Especially if you talk yourself up before and during the game "I am the best player in this whole city". Then as things go pear shaped and you start losing you can make all sorts of ridiculous excuses "oh this dice is faulty". Even more fun you can help them make correct decisions by pleading with them to do the opposite "please don't shoot my warlord, he is a nice guy", or "you don't need that objective, you can ignore that tactical card its wrong, just go into that corner its safer".

I write fluffy lists which are no where near tournament worthy and i still win at kill points. His older brother does the most tactically stupid things just to prove his point that the kid cant play. Literally drives his entire tau force up to the necron battle line, disembarks and proceeds to dakka spam from two inches away. The kid loses his cool and quits... Everyone else is sitting there like, "Calm down dude, just charge him next turn" so the kid comes back, shoots back instead of charging then breaks down when his wraiths get mulched by the massed overwatch of 200+ shots

 master of ordinance wrote:
I will be fair, I do not own a hardcopy of my codex. My codex is on my laptop. And refuse to drag £1200 plus software and upgrades of PC to my local club each Sunday.
I have been nagged to get a hard copy of my codex and I will.
Once GW release the next version and only if it is a vast improvement on the nerfdex that we got lumped with this time round.

Then put said PDFs on your phone/tablet. There is really no excuse in this day and age for not having a copy of your codex to hand in whatever form.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
I will be fair, I do not own a hardcopy of my codex. My codex is on my laptop. And refuse to drag £1200 plus software and upgrades of PC to my local club each Sunday.
I have been nagged to get a hard copy of my codex and I will.
Once GW release the next version and only if it is a vast improvement on the nerfdex that we got lumped with this time round.

Then put said PDFs on your phone/tablet. There is really no excuse in this day and age for not having a copy of your codex to hand in whatever form.

My phone is a good old Nokia brick.
There are reasons why I do not upgrade to a less indestructible phone

Tbh the guy who constantly misinterprets the rules (or gets them plain wrong, kicks off when I give my opponent kills just to speed things up (as an ally), can't build a list to save his life seeing he relies 100% on his lord of war....

Then proceeds to complain how my chimera's get to fire out of access points and the lasgun array... or the number of vehicles I field as guard.... nothing game breaking... but he still does! Heaven forbid when I finally have my wyverns finished!

 Baldeagle91 wrote:
Tbh the guy who constantly misinterprets the rules (or gets them plain wrong, kicks off when I give my opponent kills just to speed things up (as an ally), can't build a list to save his life seeing he relies 100% on his lord of war....

Then proceeds to complain how my chimera's get to fire out of access points and the lasgun array... or the number of vehicles I field as guard.... nothing game breaking... but he still does! Heaven forbid when I finally have my wyverns finished!

wyvern squadrons... new definition of GEQ killer.

Unless you happen to be a really good sport, wyverns will bring rage to the table

 Gunnvulcan wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
The crusty chain smoker who's never been introduced to soap & water.

I can take incredible BO - 18+ years of competitive girls hockey plus nearly a decade of on-ice officiating has all but rendered me immune to sweat stink... But that dude who looks like he's washed his clothes maybe once a month, while smoking a pack a day minimum? Good night, I'm floored.
Even worse when you're trapped with such an individual in a small gaming room, during the dead of winter and the LGS has jacked the heat up because it's -30 outside.

And it seems to only take about 5 minutes for that gak to leach into your own clothes, so you get the choke on the stench all the way home, and then end up having to throw on an emergency load of laundry or risk that smell leaching into the hamper for the next week.

I played highschool football and spent 4 years in the marines, including a deployment to afghanistan, and ive never smelled as bad as the 2 years i played hockey when i was little.

I once had the misfortune of playing on a team with a girl who hadn't even aired out, (never mind washed!), her equipment in over 3 years...

It wasn't that she was a even really a good goalie or anything, but rather the sheer amount of body stink encrusted into her gear became a wave of physical decay that would stop absolutely everything dead in its tracks...

Going near her was pretty much akin to summoning the Plague Father himself. I don't think my sense of smell ever truly recovered from that winter of woe.

TBH I am one of the guys who doesn't bring his rules/dex to the table. I have "field notes" that I bring. I print or copy critical pages of rules or datasheets and hand written notes of pertinent special rules.

I am also the guy who has been playing since second edition and has gotten fed up with paying $50 every other year for a codex that is half full of advertisement to buy overpriced models, a third full of the same fluff that I have seen before, and only a sixth full of useful rules. On top of that, I have more than one faction. Even more, I need the rest just to keep my opponents honest.

WaughGoff wrote:
TBH I am one of the guys who doesn't bring his rules/dex to the table. I have "field notes" that I bring. I print or copy critical pages of rules or datasheets and hand written notes of pertinent special rules.

I am also the guy who has been playing since second edition and has gotten fed up with paying $50 every other year for a codex that is half full of advertisement to buy overpriced models, a third full of the same fluff that I have seen before, and only a sixth full of useful rules. On top of that, I have more than one faction. Even more, I need the rest just to keep my opponents honest.

i tend to believe people even without codices unless they come up with some really BS stuff

oooo.... I'm not that guy... I only play orks... Until they sucked.... then tau.... Then marines..... Then eldar..... Damnit!!!!

As just an occasional gamer but a big hobbyist, I've given up buying codices long time ago. I loathe GW policy on book pricing and publishing, and boycotting book sales is the only thing I can do to change it.

I don't like players who are WAAC or who get antisocial just because they can't win. I think I'll never forget my first game in a club, when that guy got angry because he failed to table me
(he still won by far). Way to introduce yourself and the community to a newbie.

Let me start by saying that I'm a professional rules lawyer, if a rules lawyer is someone who pretty much demands that we follow the rules. I am absolutely fine with playing using house rules, so long as those house rules are set up prior to the commencement of the game. Otherwise, I want to follow the rules in the book in order to keep everyone honest. By following RAW, whether it's house rule RAW or RAW from a rulebook, we don't have to argue about interpretations, feelings, or other such subjective things. If that makes me a rules lawyer, then it is what it is.

Insofar as people not bringing their codex, I find this pretty inexcusable, but to avoid arguments I now just bring a full copy of every codex in existence on a thumb drive that I can pop into my laptop if I run into one of those guys who doesn't bring their book.


All of that said, I feel sorry for most of you guys in this thread. This thread seems full of people haters. Obviously no one likes cheaters. But aside from that, a lot of people seem to be annoyed with people about nothing. Non-Firm handshakes being the worst? People who "Claim" to have health problems and ask you to give them a hand(but who you assume are just overweight, and not overweight DUE to their health problems)? Give me an effing break! Maybe that "middle aged guy" has carpel tunnel and doesn't have the strength in his hand to get into a competitive palm crushing contest after the game. And fat-shaming your opponents doesn't make you sound like someone who'd be a blast to hang out with. As an able-bodied man, if my opponent needs some physical help with something that I am more than capable of, while they claim not to be, I will be HAPPY to help them. I don't CARE if they're legitimitely handicapped. I'm still helping someone out. Why does someone have to be handicapped due to no fault of their own to get help from a peer? I LIKE people. I ENJOY playing the game, even if I DO follow the rules at all costs. Get a life and learn some manners. You will enjoy life more overall.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

Outside Context Problems aside, I'd probably have to say that the least fun kind of gamer to play against is the one who decides you have to be tfg just because you beat them...

Aside from cheaters, who no one likes, this is specifically my only pet peeve, which unfortunately permeates this hobby. I call them COMPLAINERS. They're the people who instead of searching for tactics and using the internet to come up with new and interesting ideas on how to use their armies, they scour the internet for threads like this, so that they can have a vast array of derrogatory categories with which to label players that beat them.

As for all the players who claim that 40k rules suck, and therefore you shouldn't be in 40k for the game, kiss off. If you believe the rules are THAT bad, then you shouldn't be playing games using those rules at all either. If you're in it for socializing, modeling, and painting, then play with your toys without rules, or make up your own like we did with little green army men when we were kids. Don't try to claim superiority over people who follow the bloody rules by claiming that you're better than the rules. Again, get a life and learn some manners. You will enjoy life more overall.

And finally, @Jimsolo: I normally find myself in agreement with you, and think that you and I would generally get along well as gaming buddies due to common interests and thought processes. That said, I may fit into your Encyclopedia Brown category, as I am opinionated and have a vast amount of knowledge across a wide range of subjects, with only a couple years of University attendence and a 142 IQ. I am also extremely against group think, so have differing opinions from the majority. Due to my tendency to obsess over things that pique my interests, I do vast amounts of research on topics to the detriment of my social life when I get interested in such a topic. This often comes across to less knowledgeable people as being a "know it all" because those people couldn't be bothered to do the research to fact check you to see that you're right, because it's not normal for people to be willing to do that much footwork to learn about something that isn't that important to them. I understand this, and am not normal. Normal people often can't imagine the possibility that abnormal people spend an amount of time learning things that they would balk at. I have MANY days where I spend 16 hours reading about whatever topics strike my fancy that day(I own my own business and have no kids, so can do what I want.) Based on the types of thoughts I've seen you post in the past, and the extent to which you post on forums like here and TDC bordering on the obsessive, I'd have imagined that you'd recognise the possibility of being percieved as an "Encyclopedia Brown" yourself. Though, I could be entirely incorrect in my estimation of you, and your extreme amounts of research and knowledge could be limited more to specific interests like 40k rather than a broad range of topics.

Guy above^ tl:dr

I myself constantly fight tendencies of the "encyclopedia brown" (except i actually have a degree and know some stuff), the "powergamer" (i get way too competitive at times, especially considering how bad i am :p), and the "chatterbox" (i tend to talk profusely when energized or anxious and sadly most FLGS frown upon in store drinking).

So before i say anyone else is the worst i will say, that what i become when at my worst is the worst and i work to improve myself because of that.

Beyond that, the hardest person for me to deal with is the "hoveree" (sorry cant come up with a better name). It is great to have people playing watchhammer at your table, but i cant stand it when their idea of watchhammer involves their warm breath against the back of my neck and ear.

You're not Tankman from CRPG are you?