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 scommy wrote:
The worst is the guy who cheats when playing newbies.

Lying about unit stats ie: saying a zoanthrope is toughness 5, claiming cover saves AND armour saves, rolling and failing a leadership/psychic test then quickly picking up they dice and claiming a passed test.

To cheat a newbie is simply the most lowly, idiotic, pitiful and demented thing I can conceive of.

This is by far the worst for me. I can't stand to see someone ruin the game for new players. Why? Why do you feel the need to cheat someone who doesn't know the rules? How is that even a satisfying win?

My personal bane is not so much the gamer but the guy who wanders about at tournaments forcibly engaging in conversation with you when you're clearly trying to power through your turn as to finish the game in time. He invariably starts asking you why you don't have this super good unit from three editions ago, and then goes on to describe every single occasion in which he used them.

pax_imperialis wrote:
My personal bane is not so much the gamer but the guy who wanders about at tournaments forcibly engaging in conversation with you when you're clearly trying to power through your turn as to finish the game in time. He invariably starts asking you why you don't have this super good unit from three editions ago, and then goes on to describe every single occasion in which he used them.

He sounds lonely.


The worst player is the guy who guy who purposefully lies to new players about tactics and rules in order to get them to quit the game and sell their models for cheap to them.

I've met a guy who did exactly that to a friend of mine who was just starting Tyranids. It didn't end well.

"The worst player is the guy who guy who purposefully lies to new players about tactics and rules in order to get them to quit the game and sell their models for cheap to them.
"

Been playing 20 years and never heard of this. Yikes.

My most hated players are butthurt hypocritics, people who complain about "that Chaos marine is using Plasma why are you saying melta? Can you please stick to Plasma" and they themselves are claiming a heavy bolter was a f*****g meltagun coz it had an orange strip across it and scoff and look at me like I've taken a crap on their deployment area when I say owt back. I actually took everything packed it up and left when that happened, had to apologise to the manager of games workshop, a happy large fella, for any inconvenience but since then I've had no problems at my local GWS.

One I've encountered:

The angry gamer - he seems calm at the start of the game but as soon as he starts to lose or roll poorly his anger boils to the surface as he throws his nicely painted models at the wall when they die. He complains constantly about balance issues and quitting the game but he can't probably because he has invested too much time and money into it. If you beat him badly with your army he actively will refuse to ever play against that army again. He never ever reads up on tactics on the internet to help him out and tries the same bad tactics over and over.

Oberron wrote:
What about the "But that's not canon!" guy who stops the game (that he isn't even in sometimes) to point out that 'that color scheme isn't part of space wolves!' or other such things?

I like to put Karandras in a squad of Incubi led by Drazhar for just this reason.

I like to see myself as an easy going player, you miss read a rule that kills my Terminator, no big deal, I'm easy going as long as the leniency is mutual, don't moan when I accidentally say I got 16 attacks on the furious charge with a Daemon Prince with Black Mace on a D6 extra attack of 4 (only once)

However I have had a huge number of attacks with the Daemonkin artefact that gives extra attack on a roll of 6

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
The worst player is the guy who guy who purposefully lies to new players about tactics and rules in order to get them to quit the game and sell their models for cheap to them.

I've met a guy who did exactly that to a friend of mine who was just starting Tyranids. It didn't end well.

Really? That's pretty hard to beat!

Which one of those is worse than the other? Yes.

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:
The worst player is the guy who guy who purposefully lies to new players about tactics and rules in order to get them to quit the game and sell their models for cheap to them.

I've met a guy who did exactly that to a friend of mine who was just starting Tyranids. It didn't end well.

Sheesh, thankfully I have never seen anyone do this. Trying to buy the newbies models - thats just beyond nasty - its insane.

A combination really. The people who are win at all cost but also get really angry/upset if they're losing are the most unpleasant to be around. A guy trying hard to win and tailoring his army to it is fine as long as he doesn't get pissy and overly serious.

Another hate of mine, gamers who have limp hand shakes. I shake the winner or losers hand every game, it's good sportsmanship and every so often you get a middle aged guy who literally strokes your palm when you try and shake it and you find yourself grabbing his hand and waggling it about.

Firm handshakes after a game is like getting a chocolate mint after paying for a meal, limp handshakes feel like you've been offered a wet wipe.

 KillMaimBurn96 wrote:
Another hate of mine, gamers who have limp hand shakes. I shake the winner or losers hand every game, it's good sportsmanship and every so often you get a middle aged guy who literally strokes your palm when you try and shake it and you find yourself grabbing his hand and waggling it about.

Firm handshakes after a game is like getting a chocolate mint after paying for a meal, limp handshakes feel like you've been offered a wet wipe.

You would love playing me then - I didnt get my old nickname of "Servo Hand" for nothing

 master of ordinance wrote:

 KillMaimBurn96 wrote:
Another hate of mine, gamers who have limp hand shakes. I shake the winner or losers hand every game, it's good sportsmanship and every so often you get a middle aged guy who literally strokes your palm when you try and shake it and you find yourself grabbing his hand and waggling it about.
Firm handshakes after a game is like getting a chocolate mint after paying for a meal, limp handshakes feel like you've been offered a wet wipe.

You would love playing me then - I didnt get my old nickname of "Servo Hand" for nothing

Well, if that is the worst of it we can consider ourselves lucky!
Mind you, if we were to pick bad handshakes it would be "Grab the fingers (not palm) and crush."... nice.

 KillMaimBurn96 wrote:
Another hate of mine, gamers who have limp hand shakes. I shake the winner or losers hand every game, it's good sportsmanship and every so often you get a middle aged guy who literally strokes your palm when you try and shake it and you find yourself grabbing his hand and waggling it about.

Firm handshakes after a game is like getting a chocolate mint after paying for a meal, limp handshakes feel like you've been offered a wet wipe.

Just out of curiousity, do you shake before and/or after the game?

I've only ever shook after but have started to notice a good luck handshake more often (might be because I watch FLG more often for competitive battle reports).

a type of gamer i have come to hate most is the "powergamer who wanders across the room, insulting everyone for not using the most up-to-date internet OP lists."

sadly, we have several of those in our town, and hence we stick to games in our small group and don't even bother going to the GW or local club (they are always there). they are EVERYWHERE, and will criticize EVERYTHING, even if its across the room.

most infuriating example is this situation:
i play IG vs. Nids, have my vulture shoot at some biovores, powergamer comes up to the table,

powergamer - "no you cant shoot that nid, it is out of your firing arc"
me, to my opponent - "well, i am for a more relaxed ruling on arcs if it comes down to a few degrees or half inches, what about you?"
my opponent - "yeah, its totally fine with me, shoot the lil nid"
powergamer - "but it is totally out of the firing arc! you cannot shoot it!"
me - "dude, my opponent said its ok, so would you please shut up and let us play? its our game, not yours"
powergamer -"dude, you are so dumb! and blind! rules are rules, and its out of the firing arc!"
my opponent - "could you kindly feth off already and let us play?"

it went on like this, not even after the nid was shot and the game already had ended, the powergamer stopped pestering us.

kinda like a jehova's witness of powergaming....
"do you have a moment to talk about powergaming, our holy salvation?"
"no interest, please leave me alone"
"but don't you hear? its our SALVATION! POWERGAMING! you will end up in HELL if you do not do it!"

I recognize all of those descriptions and have dealt with each numerous times. I can think of a few others but don't believe I would do as good a job of describing them.

Kinda the nature of the beast when you deal with human beings.
What is irritating is when the person assumes you MUST deal with them.

"Sorry, I appear to not like you.
This conversation is ended.
You are still speaking?
Did I not make my wishes clear?
So you feel entitled to bother me even after being told to move along?
<sign> How many miniatures of yours do I need to break to get you to stop?
This is the only means to keep you quiet right?
I could remind you if you choose to be violent then police will be involved, I promise.
Thank-you for seeing reason.

That was an actual conversation with some fellow I was sure was off his meds or something. I had not listed what was said before to preserve sanity. His multitude of "helpful" suggestions/demands of how we should play and some name calling when we did not jump to what he had to say.

I usually seem to attract "crazy" people at bars so FLGS should be no different I guess.

 Talizvar wrote:
Kinda the nature of the beast when you deal with human beings.
What is irritating is when the person assumes you MUST deal with them.

"Sorry, I appear to not like you.
This conversation is ended.
You are still speaking?
Did I not make my wishes clear?
So you feel entitled to bother me even after being told to move along?
<sign> How many miniatures of yours do I need to break to get you to stop?
This is the only means to keep you quiet right?
I could remind you if you choose to be violent then police will be involved, I promise.
Thank-you for seeing reason.

That was an actual conversation with some fellow I was sure was off his meds or something. I had not listed what was said before to preserve sanity. His multitude of "helpful" suggestions/demands of how we should play and some name calling when we did not jump to what he had to say.

I usually seem to attract "crazy" people at bars so FLGS should be no different I guess.

Wow, that... Thats a crazy guy

The idiot is the worst. While the others can suck the fun out of the game if you let them, the Idiot will suck the life out of the game regardless of what you do.

SJ

Can we add the guy who decides to sit at your table and badmouth the game you're playing to the list?

At a particular store around here, the 40k players and the WM/H players occasionally interact on open gaming nights. Most of the time, things are fine, but I don't know if it is my area, or the nature of Warmachine players, but I seem to attract a large amount who love to sit at your table and discuss how lousy 40k/AoS to you as you are playing it.

It is why I dislike WM/H players in general now.

 curran12 wrote:
Can we add the guy who decides to sit at your table and badmouth the game you're playing to the list?

At a particular store around here, the 40k players and the WM/H players occasionally interact on open gaming nights. Most of the time, things are fine, but I don't know if it is my area, or the nature of Warmachine players, but I seem to attract a large amount who love to sit at your table and discuss how lousy 40k/AoS to you as you are playing it.

It is why I dislike WM/H players in general now.

To be fair though, compared to WM/H 40K and AoS are pretty lousy.

There are quite a few "bad apples" examples, of gamers. However, I am very surprised that no one has mentioned my personal pet peeve.

GAMERSCUM: a person found within a gaming store who smells as if he has not bathed in weeks. His foul, halitosis breath is enough to curdle milk into cheese immediately. When in an enclosed space, this guy can be smelled from across the store. His pants look as if they have not been washed for weeks. His shirts are stained from the food he has eaten over the last 48 hours. His socks and feet stink as though his footwear could go walking off on its own power.
This is the guy that give all the rest of us normal hygienic hobbyists, a really bad name.

I can handle any of the above personality types, no problems. But if someone is a dirty Gamerscum, there is no remorse for letting him get an earful of proper hygiene etiquette.

The idiot perfectly lends itself to slow play, I will never forget the jackass that wanted to look up the rules for power armor and was playing Space Marines.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 curran12 wrote:
Can we add the guy who decides to sit at your table and badmouth the game you're playing to the list?

At a particular store around here, the 40k players and the WM/H players occasionally interact on open gaming nights. Most of the time, things are fine, but I don't know if it is my area, or the nature of Warmachine players, but I seem to attract a large amount who love to sit at your table and discuss how lousy 40k/AoS to you as you are playing it.

It is why I dislike WM/H players in general now.

To be fair though, compared to WM/H 40K and AoS are pretty lousy.

Glad it isn't just in my store that this exists. Thanks for that.

I've got more than a bit of "The Idiot" in me. It's mainly because I have a terrible memory for specifics, and often the wording does matter. When I try to quote TV shows and movies I've seen a dozen times, I get the intent of the quote right, but the actual words very wrong. My memory is even somewhat odd - it transitions seamlessly from remembering to imagining, and sometimes doing both at once.

If I put my mind to it and reason it out, I can often remember the way it must be. Like for characteristic tests, I don't remember how they work, but given how low most characteristics are, I imagine they're taken on 1d6, and since 1 is the minimum for most stats (some of which result in instant-death if they reach 0) and given how it's impossible to roll a 0 without modifiers, rolling equal to the characteristic must mean a pass, and since larger characteristic numbers mean more powerful, it must mean that a lower roll is better, so rolling under the stat number must also mean a pass. So I can conclude that to make any sense, characteristic tests work by rolling 1d6, and comparing it to the model's statistic. If the result is equal to or lower than the stat, then it means you passed.

That took me about 5 minutes of reasoning in my sleep deprived state. It would've been quicker just to look it up in the book (and more reliable, since rules don't always make sense).


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 Dozer Blades wrote:
The idiot perfectly lends itself to slow play, I will never forget the jackass that wanted to look up the rules for power armor and was playing Space Marines.

...Did they add rules for operating in a vaccuum or other atmospherically-lethal environment while I was gone?

Doesn't it work the same way all armor works - it provides an armor save which is included in the statline?


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SYKOJAK wrote:
There are quite a few "bad apples" examples, of gamers. However, I am very surprised that no one has mentioned my personal pet peeve.

GAMERSCUM: a person found within a gaming store who smells as if he has not bathed in weeks. His foul, halitosis breath is enough to curdle milk into cheese immediately. When in an enclosed space, this guy can be smelled from across the store. His pants look as if they have not been washed for weeks. His shirts are stained from the food he has eaten over the last 48 hours. His socks and feet stink as though his footwear could go walking off on its own power.
This is the guy that give all the rest of us normal hygienic hobbyists, a really bad name.

I can handle any of the above personality types, no problems. But if someone is a dirty Gamerscum, there is no remorse for letting him get an earful of proper hygiene etiquette.

If it matters, I used to go 3 months without showering or bathing at a time. As it turns out, I had schizophrenia, one of the symptoms of which is poor hygiene habits. To me though, all I knew was that I was terrified of taking a shower because I 100% believed that the scene with the pink goo in the bathtub from Ghostbusters 2 was going to play out right then and there in real life, only instead of kidnapping a kid, the goo would murder me.

If you're wondering how they deal with the smell, it's because they just can't even smell it anymore. It slowly ramps up over a couple of weeks, then vanishes in the same way that after a couple of weeks of constant construction going on across the street, I didn't even hear it anymore, and only noticed it one day when I woke up and something felt very, very off. It took me a couple of minutes to realize that there was silence, a sound which had become entirely foreign to my ears.


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 KillMaimBurn96 wrote:
Another hate of mine, gamers who have limp hand shakes. I shake the winner or losers hand every game, it's good sportsmanship and every so often you get a middle aged guy who literally strokes your palm when you try and shake it and you find yourself grabbing his hand and waggling it about.

Firm handshakes after a game is like getting a chocolate mint after paying for a meal, limp handshakes feel like you've been offered a wet wipe.

I usually go for a "good game" hug.

Most people haven't been physically inside their opponents before being legally a person with rights though...


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As for my own "Worst 40k gamer I ever encountered" I'd have to say it's the guy who posted a thread on Dakka about "Post your favorite 40k art!"

I mean, sure, I didn't expect the most favorable response when I replied with fanart a friend had done of my Master's character and my character armored in steampunkish Astartes and Sororitas armor (respectively) that I'd done a hack job of colorizing the line art with my bad photoshop skills... Particularly considering most 40k gamers aren't big on anthro characters...

But I still think the repeated death threats from the thread creator were wholly un-necessary, even if they were so over-the-top and ludicrous that I couldn't take them seriously.

I'm glad that pretty much everyone in the thread stood up for me until it was locked though. Makes me feel good about this community - regardless of opinions on artistic merit or whatever, that kind of crap was unacceptable.

He was attempting to waste more time. He also wanted to looked up the rules for the bolter.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
He was attempting to waste more time. He also wanted to looked up the rules for the bolter.

If he was new to Marines/Imperials, that might actually make sense. I sure as hell wouldn't know the stats of every Tyranid or Chaos Daemons model and weapon by heart in my first game with them.

Also, regarding your Rorscharch (spelling?) test forum avatar, I saw a pair of man's danglybits with mysterious holes before I saw the insect it was obviously supposed to be. I wonder what a psychologist would think of that.

I'm surprised no one's mentioned Mr Money yet. He's not necessarily a bad guy to play against, but he does have cash and he does use it to gain power. New Codex out and it's OP? He'll dump 500+ bucks on Codex and required models without even blinking. His previous (often large and nicely painted) army will never see a gaming table again, unless they get a new and powerful Codex. Army loyalty is for losers, winners pay for winning.