Awesome news for all fans of Mutant Chronicles universe http://www.modiphius.com/siege-of-the-citadel.html

I'm sure both of them will be very excited!

I know a couple buddies who would be pleased if they just rereleased the original game.

I'm sure they're looking to sell more than 2 copies, and that's about as much business they'd do were they to re-release the old version with no changes. Those old plastic WZ miniatures are dreadful by today's standards.

Hoping for no Kickstarter this time around and looking forward to the Ezoghoul at the least; the 1E metal one is one of my favorite miniatures ever!

Barzam and I both happened to really enjoy Siege of the Citadel back when we were kids.

I always felt it was a poor man's Space Crusade, but that was probably just me being salty that I never found a copy of Space Crusade in the US growing up (and refuse to pay ebay level prices now for a decades old game).

I wonder if the new versions will retain having a 3d citadel in the middle of it.

Looks cool, I like this type of game in a box. Looking forward to more info! Thanks OP for letting us know about this set.

Hopefully they get some of the original artists (Paul Bonner, Les Edwards) to work for the project EDIT: They have Adrian Smith so far. Great

This was actually a very cool boardgame when it came out originally. Played it several times.

Looks cool. I've signed up for the newsletter.

Yeah, I loved this game back in the day. Cool to see it again.

I wonder if it's a bit of a sly dig.

I loved this game as a kid. Scored it for $10 at a KB toys, got a lot of action out of it.

Doubt they'd get bonner back, he's moved on to greater (or just other, depending on your views) things. But Paradox entertainment owns all the old artwork he made for the setting so they can use all that.

If this is yet another entry in the recent flood of "Oldhammer" style games, I'll be steering clear. A modern adaptation with a modern aesthetic would be interesting though, and potentially marketable beyond the small group of fans who played it the first time around.

Modiphius has done excellent work on their Achtung! Cthulhu models, so this might be worth looking into. The original game does have a good reputation.

Those old sculpts, though, are now extremely dated, and barely worth looking at even for scrap bits. (I used to own the game, never played it, and still have a few of the minis.) I can't imagine they'd return to them, or that style.

Prodos and Parente, on the other hand, currently leave me cold. I'm not supporting anything Prodos makes until I get the AVP minis that I payed for a long time ago. There's still time to make good on that, but I've never had worse treatment from a minis company. It's as if I'm trying to buy miniatures from the Mafia.

As for Parente, his involvement means that every female mini will be presented as a sex object, making them useless in my household. If there's only a couple of female figures, then that's not too big of a hit. But if there are alot, then no, I'm not paying for them and will skip the product.

I suspect it is a case of Modiphius expanding their rpg license to include MC board games. To do this, their best bet is to get the figures designed by Prodos (who already have the digital models for all the MC units so far) and the game manufactured by the factory Paolo works with.

If this is the breakdown, we should expect some amazingly detailed single piece plastic figures with some really nice quality components.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I'm sure both of them will be very excited!

There are a lot more than 'two' fans of the MC universe. If you were trying to be witty - you failed. If you simply didn't know, consider yourself enlightened.


I'd be delighted if they got Bonner to do more art for them, even if it is unlikely. Re-using the old stuff I expect, but I'd love to see some new stuff from him. His stuff for Mercury/Mishima and Venus/Bauhaus was colorful and awesome. He also did some awesome work for Rackham in his time, as well. One of my favorite artists in gaming.

Getting Adrian Smith is a great step. I am also curious to see how they change or 'update' the game itself. I assume new eye-popping figs will be standard - if it's the same stuff from the original set, that won't be good.

But since Modiphius is full-steam-ahead with the MC RPG, I suppose it was only a matter of time before they (or Prodos?) tried to pop out a board game.

Will be watching this one.

(Sorry for posting in an old thread, but it seems like the right thing to do )

I love this game!

How would a remake work/play, if you make a guess? Would it be using the same mechanics, would it be "compatible" with the original?

I still got my original copy with all pieces intact (amazing, since we played it 24/7 back then). I played a couple of times the last few years, and it is always a big hit.

I used to love this game!

I like how the original link now shows an image of Ultramarines in the Mutant Chronicles announcement.

It probably has to do with Stefan Kopinski, who along with his brother, did loads of excellent art for GW.


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Also, oh gak, Paolo Parente is involved? Not sure if I want to get this now, if it ever happens at all.

So considering circumstances, is it 100% likely that the remake will be released?

magicrat wrote:
So considering circumstances, is it 100% likely that the remake will be released?

I don't see why not. The sculpts will be existing Warzone models, or extensions to the existing lines, and Modiphus hasn't had an issue with its previous products (as far as I know).

magicrat wrote:
So considering circumstances, is it 100% likely that the remake will be released?

Modiphius said that there will be KS fully controlled by them for SotC and that miniatures [plastic] will be produced in China = everyone who was worried about Prodos [and who wouldn't be?] can sleep easy.

 Shadow Walker wrote:

magicrat wrote:
So considering circumstances, is it 100% likely that the remake will be released?

Modiphius said that there will be KS fully controlled by them for SotC and that miniatures [plastic] will be produced in China = everyone who was worried about Prodos [and who wouldn't be?] can sleep easy.

I don't Think there is any reason to worry about Prodos as a caster. The only problems I've Heard concern their own games, not the minis they make for others.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

magicrat wrote:
So considering circumstances, is it 100% likely that the remake will be released?

Modiphius said that there will be KS fully controlled by them for SotC and that miniatures [plastic] will be produced in China = everyone who was worried about Prodos [and who wouldn't be?] can sleep easy.

I don't Think there is any reason to worry about Prodos as a caster. The only problems I've Heard concern their own games, not the minis they make for others.

Sounds cool and exciting. I'm just confused when hearing KS funding etc.

Picked up this game and Dungeon at a mall toy store for I believe fifteen dollars altogether and played Siege quite a bit. One of the best ten bucks I ever spent on gaming, wish I knew what happened to it as it just vanished.

 Mymearan wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

magicrat wrote:
So considering circumstances, is it 100% likely that the remake will be released?

Modiphius said that there will be KS fully controlled by them for SotC and that miniatures [plastic] will be produced in China = everyone who was worried about Prodos [and who wouldn't be?] can sleep easy.

I don't Think there is any reason to worry about Prodos as a caster. The only problems I've Heard concern their own games, not the minis they make for others.

They did some of the KOW Blaise's on dinos. Mine like other had some large gates and the legs bend over time due to weight of the model. I have since drilled a hole through the leg and placed a metal rod to keep him from sniffing the ground.

 -DE- wrote:
I'm sure they're looking to sell more than 2 copies, and that's about as much business they'd do were they to re-release the old version with no changes. Those old plastic WZ miniatures are dreadful by today's standards.

Hoping for no Kickstarter this time around and looking forward to the Ezoghoul at the least; the 1E metal one is one of my favorite miniatures ever!

I think you could do some decent work on those plastics. What do you think about this little Necromutant?

Cover and other news http://www.modiphius.com/siege-of-the-citadel.html

Tactical Detritus. Oh how I wish that trend would die.

Looking forward to this nonetheless.

~Eric

Anything for the work blocked?

I like the miniatures, very positively surprised, good proportions and style. These will make for some nice Scifi gang members in other games, too



Cover art looks good






Good work, Studio Modiphius, I will most likely buy it if the gameplay allows for some enjoyable game nights.


I lack the time to reupload, sorry

That looks good, but it's just digital renders. I am tentatively interested. I was just wondering what happened with this since there hasn't really been any news since it was announced. I find it interesting that Prodos isn't mentioned anywhere. I wonder if that means someone else is handling production?

 Barzam wrote:
That looks good, but it's just digital renders. I am tentatively interested. I was just wondering what happened with this since there hasn't really been any news since it was announced. I find it interesting that Prodos isn't mentioned anywhere. I wonder if that means someone else is handling production?

They are mentioned as sculptors but production of (plastic) minis will be handled by others (probably in China).

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Barzam wrote:
That looks good, but it's just digital renders. I am tentatively interested. I was just wondering what happened with this since there hasn't really been any news since it was announced. I find it interesting that Prodos isn't mentioned anywhere. I wonder if that means someone else is handling production?

They are mentioned as sculptors but production of (plastic) minis will be handled by others (probably in China).

Paolo is mentioned in there along side Prodos as being responsible for the miniatures, so I would imagine Prodos designs, Paolo's lot manufactures. If true, this will put it into the same quality casts/material as the CMoN games

From the last email from Modiphius:
They're aiming to launch the Kickstarter during the week of the 5th September onwards until the first week of November.
KS survey:
http://www.modiphius.com/siege-of-the-citadel-kickstarter.html

Yeah, the Prodos link is not necessarily the negative people make it out to be. The problems seem to be more with their in house games rather than delivering on external contracts

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/4469/EcPvHs.jpg

It begins today! https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/3402/jg4jkQ.jpg

Hey everyone yes we're launching at midday BST UK time - don't worry there's no early bird pledges so if you're in the US waking up later you won't miss anything :-)

Lots to reveal on the project - new rules alongside the much loved existing system, new features, new creatures and tiles! Modiphius is organising the project with Cabinet Entertainment who own Mutant Chronicles, Warzone and Siege of the Citadel etc. We've got chinese factories doing the production, sculpts by Prodos team (who have sculpted much of the universe already for Warzone) as well as Paolo Parente's team who include legends like Gael Goumon.

We're going to be doing short playthrough videos every few days to show off different features so hopefully that will answer all your questions but I'll keep an eye on this forum and pop in when I can.

Are the miniatures in scale with Warzone Resurrection so that they can also be used there?

Yes they're 32mm scale as well

The Kickstarter is now live -

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo

This is now funded and working towards the second stretch goal

Backed it, I'm a fan of the Warzone universe but I missed its heyday prior to being "revived" by Prodos.

The next goal has been breached... onto the events and then the steps!

The only experience of Mutant Chronicles that I have was the movie, but the board game seems like a good in as I didn't (for some reason) back the rpg ks

There's a big jump between the first two pledge levels.

Are you really getting a lot more with that DARK LEGION pledge ($149) vs. the DOOM TROOPER ($69) pledge?

So what they are talking about is that the Dark Legion will include a number of full expansions and extra boards across the campaign, on top of any bits that get added to the DT level. No detail on what these will actually be yet though

In response to someone asking about the higher level costs:

Modiphius wrote:@Matthew - because we expect to unlock about 5-10kg of extra expansions and the shipping is based on the expected increase in weight, except it's now only a $20 extra charge (see the savings in the first update). We can't keep changing the shipping pricing every time we unlock something - trust me that would confuse the hell out of everyone. So we have to assume for what we aim and expect to unlock for you all. It's a lot of weight and is sent by tracked shipping within your country to avoid customs charges. The extra content still has to be paid for - if you're not confident we will unlock maybe $400-$500 worth of value for you then just stick at the $69 pledge. Many people trust us to deliver amazing value - and you get incredible value for money by going for the higher pledge in return.

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The next update has come out, with details on another future Dark Legion stretch goal. This is a new 3 part campaign written by Kevin Wilson.

I will wait till near the end of the campaign before I up my pledge to be honest, depending on how well it goes.

But, I am certainly somewhat optimistic.

Are there any KS exclusives with the $69 pledge level?

And have they said the MSRP for that level?

I'm interested, but not $149 interested. Will probably pick it up when it gets to retail.

I have not seen an MSRP yet. It looks like there are nooks exclusives yet as they have said that at least the doom trooper extras will be available from their website after the retail release.

The Dark Legion level has been updated so that it is guaranteed to get any announced, but unreached stretch goals. This normally means two to three extra goals. They have also updated the graphics with some hints to what will be in DL. It looks like lots of extra models, some terrain bits and some extra box sets that I imagine will be a paid add on for others.

Speaking of stretch goals,.. The double stairwell and campaign goals for DL level are unlocked and things are progressing towards a big 3D stair well and tile add on

I'm going to sit out this one and get it from retail. Living in Japan is going to add a 50% increase to my pledge.

M.

I played Siege of the Citadel- the game was very close to Space Crusade- with a few significant improvements even.

I'm also glad that they got a crew of current game designers to make some tweaks, because game design- especially for games of this type- has come quite a long ways since then.


I noticed it said the game is for 1-5 players, but I haven't found anything else about a full co-op mode (they talk about players rotating who plays the Dark Legion, but that wouldn't allow for 1 player.

They said they are working on rules for 1 player so do not worry

Do we know if they will translate into a 2-4 player game with an AI dark legion?

If I understood it correctly then SotC can be played as it was with the original plus mode for 1 player. Anything more I have no idea until they show actual gameplay movies.

Brotherhood expansion added for Dark Legion pledge level.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/description

For those not wanting to go read the update, the Brotherhood expansion is:

modiphius wrote:First published in magazine format in Target Games original magazine, now upgraded by the grace of the Cardinal, this expansion unlocks the Brotherhood faction for players, new Dark Legion creatures, the power of the Arts & Dark Gifts plus new ruined Brotherhood Cathedral tiles to fight over!

More information will be released about this over the next few days. DL backers will get this for free as it is an announced stretch goal. Other backers will need to purchase this as an add-on. MSRP for the expansion is $50-60

DL also gets a free add-on booklet that gives options for using the large tiles that have been added, including options to combine multiple core sets for larger games. This will be bundled with the large tiles when they are made available as an add-on later.

3 additional Doomtrooper cards have been added to all pledges because we've also reached 1000 backers today

Well being weak I've already upped my pledge... there goes "I'll wait till the end"

Minis renders (some may change yet): https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1678680

I am excited for this. I still have 1st Ed that I get people to play with on occasion. I was not a fan of the reboot of warzone but the RPG books have been nice so far.

Ctaylor wrote:Are there any KS exclusives with the $69 pledge level?

And have they said the MSRP for that level?

I'm interested, but not $149 interested. Will probably pick it up when it gets to retail.

We're not doing exclusives but like many kickstarter's it's not guaranteed that add on's will reach retail, they will be on our webstore but we never know what will make it in to shops bar the base game and expansions. We're aiming to make the $149 pledge worth around $400-$500 by the time we've finished.

Miguelsan wrote:I'm going to sit out this one and get it from retail. Living in Japan is going to add a 50% increase to my pledge.

M.

We just got better shipping for you! Japan $24 DoomTrooper Pledge / $31 Dark Legion Pledge - hope that helps. Shipping table will be updated tomorrow.






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Hi check out one of the Brotherhood minis from tonight's update
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1681126

Oh snap I had that when I was a kid!
I can finally own it again.

It was the first miniature game I ever had.

Gameplay (playtest) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8_zi4a-oTg&feature=youtu.be

Hayashi Kenji aka Yojimbo unlocked! Happy Mishima fan here

Brotherhood expansion funded! It can be added as an addon for a Doomtrooper pledge and is free for a Dark Legion pledge.

Here is a link where short stories from KS updates will be posted https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1640508/short-stories-siege-citadel


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Bhood expansion contents:

In the name of the Cardinal!
With the unlocking of the Brotherhood Expansion we can start to reveal more of what you can expect inside this amazing addition to the Siege of the Citadel line. There is sculpting work going on at the moment so we'll be revealing the figures over the next couple of weeks but for now this is what you can expect - including another 19 miniatures! 
The Brotherhood faction is added to the game including a 6th player board (and rules to expand the game to 6 players) with Nikodemus & Crenshaw as your heroes. 
2 x coloured bases and matching begs for the Player Board
Set of Character Cards, Brotherhood Faction Power and Rank Cards
1 x Nepharite Valpurgis to lead the Dark Legion forces
1 x Praetorian Behemoth to smash the heroes!
1 x Harbinger of the Void to deliver punishing attacks at range
2 x Brass Apocalypts
2 x Curators who will assist in the corruption of the heroes!
4 x Callistonian Intruders 
6 x Algeroth Malignants
To this we're adding another 2 sheets of counters including new traps, portals and defences for the Cathedral and assorted markers
4 x Double-sided Tiles (that's 8 locations - with more to be unlocked) 
Extra Cards for the existing decks - Equipment, Secondary Missions, Force Cards, Event Card, Doomtrooper Card  (how many TBC). 
New card decks to be revealed (based on requirements for the various new rules - to be revealed soon) 
1 x Rulebook introducing new rules for the Dark Symmetry, the power of the Brotherhood Arts and the Legion's Dark Gifts, adding a 6th player and more. 
1 x Mission Book giving you another 10 part campaign following the events around an embattled Brotherhood Cathedral which is overrun during a counter-attack and must then be retaken. 
And more! Yes we plan to pack this box full with more minis, more tiles and cards still to make it great value! Here's the content graphic that's slowly going to get filled out over the next couple of weeks as the sculpts are added in, along with other components. 

???!!!???

Tell me more....

If I'm honest I'd rather they put the resources used to make chibis into non-chibi stuff, but it's certainly not going to make me downgrade or quit my pledge.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
If I'm honest I'd rather they put the resources used to make chibis into non-chibi stuff, but it's certainly not going to make me downgrade or quit my pledge.

I was very dissapointed by that update but will treat it as an accident at work and keep my DL pledge.

For those of us that do like Chibis it looks like we'll be able to get hold of these without springing for the full game

Ninja Division - Soda Pop Miniatures added 2 new photos.

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If you didn't already know, we've partnered with MODIPHIUS​ to create 8 miniatures for Siege of the Citadel, which was successfully funded in under four hours yesterday. (More here: http://ow.ly/PS4R304oCdQ)

With a pledge of only $6, you'll get Edward Murdoch and gain access to purchasing the addition 7 add on minis! Check it out at the link!

Answers:

1) These are exclusive to the Kickstarter with MODIPHIUS.
2) These minis are playable in games of SDE.
3) MODIPHIUS will fulfill all orders and we will not have any of these minis in house with us, we're merely partnered with them for fun, unique minis of a beloved game.

Yeah, you can pledge $1 on this campaign and pick up all the SDE sets as add-ons

175k has been breached, which unlocks the walls as an add-on for those not already getting them in the DL pledge.

Citadel walls funded and all factions will get new heroes = 4 total for every one!

Some renders from diferent angle (thanks to Petey Potterool )
https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s526x395/14333667_10154640260589427_9031242255885751269_n.jpg?oh=fb0af2171128be26c6346f97c557543f&oe=587804AF

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s370x247/14333685_10154666463129427_908837999483195828_n.jpg?oh=880f93cafe24eb18401e5a91b068382d&oe=586F33E3

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14333015_10154634359099427_8594136897811153478_n.jpg?oh=1f98eb94d85d1b40b6bf385ca9189893&oe=58784C2E

KS exclusive: Mitch Hunter's dog 'Pride' https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1690522

Mutant Chronicles/ Warzone and Chronopia games were some of the fun matches my gaming group back in the 90's had.

Luna City Expansion!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1691051

I went with the Dark Legion pledge, will the expansions be added or do I need to do anything to add them to my pledge?

So there is progression between games according to what I can find, but is that only within those little 3-game campaigns that were unlocked, or continuously across all plays of the game?

Also, is it true co-op? I keep seeing references to it requiring a rotating "bad guy" player, which doesn't sound true co-op at all, so much as an agreement to switch sides after each game. :-p I'm mainly wondering if it will work for two players, as a proper co-op experience.

If it's like the orgional game, progession exists, and there is semicoop. Basicly your on the same side, but you are able to do stuff against each other so you complete your objective and they don't.

However, it rotates who plays the villian each turn, but the villians team gains xp depending on how good the villian does.

Fullork12 wrote:
If it's like the orgional game, progession exists, and there is semicoop. Basicly your on the same side, but you are able to do stuff against each other so you complete your objective and they don't.

However, it rotates who plays the villian each turn, but the villians team gains xp depending on how good the villian does.

There will be a solo mode too.


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Fullork12 wrote:
I went with the Dark Legion pledge, will the expansions be added or do I need to do anything to add them to my pledge?

You will get all that is revealed = every goal announced is yours without the need to unlock. Unlocks are needed for DT pledge or others who pledge less.

Vince Diamond!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1692360


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Test 3D print examples https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1693433

I had this game as a kid and am curious about this KS, but I have one question to ask before I can consider jumping aboard.

What will the quality of the PVC be? Has Modiphius pointed to some published PVC miniatures, even by another company, to say that theirs will use the same formula and have the same level of detail? For example, will the Citadel figures be Descent / FFG level, Mars Attacks / Mantic level, or Wrath of Kings / CMON level casts?

I'm in for a dollar. I, too, would like to know what to expect in miniature quality.

 Vermonter wrote:
I had this game as a kid and am curious about this KS, but I have one question to ask before I can consider jumping aboard.

What will the quality of the PVC be? Has Modiphius pointed to some published PVC miniatures, even by another company, to say that theirs will use the same formula and have the same level of detail? For example, will the Citadel figures be Descent / FFG level, Mars Attacks / Mantic level, or Wrath of Kings / CMON level casts?

If my memory is correct then they said about similar quality as Zombicide minis. Minis will be PVC with longer elements like weapons made from Hard plastic to prevent bending.

4th Brotherhood character and chibi legionnary https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1695806


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Valpurgius sculpt https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1696241

Selina Kingsfield sculpt https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1696535

UNLOCKED: Sgt Carter! REVEALED: Chibi Attlia III https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1697305


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Carl Lind! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1698245

Hi there we created a webpage with all the posted sculpts on so you can get a better look at them

http://www.modiphius.com/siege-of-the-citadel-kickstarter.html

The Dark Legion pledge is worth $288 now and we're on course to get it to about $400 or more by the end. Here's a reminder of what you get:

Is that big silhouette for a Mercurian Maculator or a Biogiant?

Crap. If Maculators or Biogiants end up in the game I may end up with a copy myself.

That's getting into bonkers CMON territory in terms of value at this rate, and doesn't seem to show any signs of slowing down!

 Barzam wrote:
Is that big silhouette for a Mercurian Maculator or a Biogiant?

Maculator http://mcdt.fm.interiowo.pl/o50.jpg is officially confirmed as 300k stretch goal!

Question for those in the know... but if I have even an inclination to start playing Warzone Resurrection, is there any value for that, in backing this KS? Any model/unit overlap?

I just saw the update. This campaign is giving me all of the cool Dark Legion beasts. Now, give us a Carnal Harvester, maybe an Immaculate Fury, and a Gomorrian Emasculator and I'll pretty much have all of the Dark Legion stuff I wanted from the original line. Modiphius also mentioned in the comments that if this is successful enough, we may even get into Dark Eden territory. I would love to see a modern take on the Sons of Rasputin.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Question for those in the know... but if I have even an inclination to start playing Warzone Resurrection, is there any value for that, in backing this KS? Any model/unit overlap?

Models will be the same scale so a lot of plastic minis to use in wargame

 Shadow Walker wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Question for those in the know... but if I have even an inclination to start playing Warzone Resurrection, is there any value for that, in backing this KS? Any model/unit overlap?

Models will be the same scale so a lot of plastic minis to use in wargame

Seems like, because of the enemy variety, Dark Legion players will be able to field a whole army on the back on one pledge, but every other faction just gets 1 or 2 compatible hero models. Still. Seems likes a decent starting point.

I think Barzam would transcend this mortal realm if they were to have modern Sons of Rasputin show up.

I'll admit I had to look up all those thingees he mentioned. I didn't even know that a Carnal Harvester was a thing.

I also learned I already own a Gomorrian Emsaculator.

Playtest video (better quality this time) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itDiy4bLaTM

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Question for those in the know... but if I have even an inclination to start playing Warzone Resurrection, is there any value for that, in backing this KS? Any model/unit overlap?

Models will be the same scale so a lot of plastic minis to use in wargame

Seems like, because of the enemy variety, Dark Legion players will be able to field a whole army on the back on one pledge, but every other faction just gets 1 or 2 compatible hero models. Still. Seems likes a decent starting point.

Yeah you can pick up all the grunts for your Corporation army with warzone add in some Warzone dark legion troops, and bingo you're good to go - even better warzone 2.0 is free to download!

Chibi Necromutant, jungle tiles and new expansion at 310!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1699782

Plus Tekrons of all things.



Afraid I have succumbed to the Dark Symmetry now as well.

The value on this is getting pretty bonkers now, and looks to get even more out of control as this hits the final 48. With the sheer amount of extras though it makes me wonder how much of a delay it'll cause...

So... is there a random mission generator or anything? I understand there are elements of progression, but what does that entail and for how long do your characters persist?

The old tekron models are gold. How do they think to improve upon perfection?

I got rid of a lot of the old Warzone figures I had, but for some reason the Tekron is a model I can never part with.

It is gold. Gold!

Tekrons are awesome. I am so happy that they are available at last!

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:So... is there a random mission generator or anything? I understand there are elements of progression, but what does that entail and for how long do your characters persist?

Yes we considering a mission generator deck - it's on the list of 'cool things to do' at the moment and might yet make it in to the KS

Shadow Walker wrote:Tekrons are awesome. I am so happy that they are available at last!

They are going to be really fun for the DL player and a pain in the backside for the heroes. They will get to build cool stuff and potentially repair things or creatures too

If a Mission Generator sneak in in the next three days, I am absolutely in!

Latest update they are partnering with Fantasy Flight Games to publish the vanilla version worldwide.

Loopstah wrote:
Latest update they are partnering with Fantasy Flight Games to publish the vanilla version worldwide.

That's actually huge news

Here is the link to FFG news https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1700643

Interesting. FFG actually had the license for a while (not sure if it was for 'board games' or 'miniatures games') and as I understand it, that license didn't exactly flourish under them.

In addition, Paolo Parente is involved with SotC and of course, FFG is one of the many bridges that Dust Studios & Paolo Parente have burned in the past.

So I find this news doubly surprising!

 Siygess wrote:
Interesting. FFG actually had the license for a while (not sure if it was for 'board games' or 'miniatures games') and as I understand it, that license didn't exactly flourish under them.

In addition, Paolo Parente is involved with SotC and of course, FFG is one of the many bridges that Dust Studios & Paolo Parente have burned in the past.

So I find this news doubly surprising!

Well, IIRC FFG is still using Parente's production facilities for X-Wing, so...

Well they have a lot of free time and warehouse space after losing the GW license...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Well they have a lot of free time and warehouse space after losing the GW license...

You'd think that, wouldn't you. Alas, from what I've been told... ^^

That said, Siege of the Citadel is certainly a type of game that could have been done using the 40k license, given themes and probably even gameplay. So now it would not have to compete with any other possible Gw licensed game for the spot.

New expansion revealed - Dark Apostle Algeroth will be playable!!! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1700929

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:If a Mission Generator sneak in in the next three days, I am absolutely in!

your wish came true!

Siygess wrote:Interesting. FFG actually had the license for a while (not sure if it was for 'board games' or 'miniatures games') and as I understand it, that license didn't exactly flourish under them.

In addition, Paolo Parente is involved with SotC and of course, FFG is one of the many bridges that Dust Studios & Paolo Parente have burned in the past.

So I find this news doubly surprising!

Paolo's sculpting team are involved but Modiphius and Cabinet are in charge of development and production. :-)

All 5 Apostles will be playable! Awesome day for MC fans! At last we can fully recreate Venusian Crusade as Cardinal Durand will be playable too!

So what is the "competitionist" list for somebody who wants the boardgame content and the chibis but not the rpg content?

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
So what is the "competitionist" list for somebody who wants the boardgame content and the chibis but not the rpg content?

DL pledge (all visible=do not have to be unlocked, stretch goals) + Cardinal Durand + Major Tang (KS exclusive) + Sean D'Armatto (Ks exclusive) + Chibi addons.

So excited to hear about the mission generator. Was it officially mentioned in an update? I can't find it?

As a man of my word though, if it is in, so am I. I went Dark Legion pledge. :-)

Well, I cracked. Goddamnit. I'm trying to get better about KS, but the original game was the first time I ever painted miniatures (dug it out of my parents' attic recently), and the nostalgia is strong.

Plus the rotating overlord mechanic actually makes this more appealing than similar games (passing on Star Saga) - you actually have incentive to do your best as the overlord, instead of just trying to provide a challenge.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So excited to hear about the mission generator. Was it officially mentioned in an update? I can't find it?

As a man of my word though, if it is in, so am I. I went Dark Legion pledge. :-)

Yes it is in update https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1700494


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ubik2000 wrote:
Well, I cracked. Goddamnit. I'm trying to get better about KS, but the original game was the first time I ever painted miniatures (dug it out of my parents' attic recently), and the nostalgia is strong.

Plus the rotating overlord mechanic actually makes this more appealing than similar games (passing on Star Saga) - you actually have incentive to do your best as the overlord, instead of just trying to provide a challenge.

Welcome on board Doomtrooper!

Sorry if this has been discussed at length, but does the Overlord role rotate per turn, or per game? If the later, I imagine it might slightly frustrate those who are stuck with only two players?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Sorry if this has been discussed at length, but does the Overlord role rotate per turn, or per game? If the later, I imagine it might slightly frustrate those who are stuck with only two players?

Per game but rules may be different in new edition. There will be new modes too like solo play.


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White Star = 8th faction and 8 players possible https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1701245

And to my earlier point, now that a random mission generator deck is in (a very reasonable $20 add-on... which isn't included in DL pledges), can someone tell me how far characters level/progress? Can we expect to be able to string a dozen games together, or just a couple?

Is there any "between missions" events, ala the travel/towns of Warhammer Quest of old?

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
And to my earlier point, now that a random mission generator deck is in (a very reasonable $20 add-on... which isn't included in DL pledges), can someone tell me how far characters level/progress? Can we expect to be able to string a dozen games together, or just a couple?

Is there any "between missions" events, ala the travel/towns of Warhammer Quest of old?

so far I think there are 10 levels to reach for heroes. It will be posible to have heroes from one campaign to join new and link expansions together. In Luna there will be even more challenging options for high level heroes. There is also hard to give a definitive answer about the rules as they are still not ready so there will be more videos.

The value tipping point was just too great. Between all the .pdfs, miniatures, added campaigns, tiles, etc... DL has probably exceeded CMoN levels of value!

I also preordered a bundle of Resurrection 2.0's book, etc... from Prodos, as the two add significant value to each-other. The already good board-game, doubling as actual models for the table-top game even if I am sure to never find a local player-base, is awesome.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
The value tipping point was just too great. Between all the .pdfs, miniatures, added campaigns, tiles, etc... DL has probably exceeded CMoN levels of value!

I also preordered a bundle of Resurrection 2.0's book, etc... from Prodos, as the two add significant value to each-other. The already good board-game, doubling as actual models for the table-top game even if I am sure to never find a local player-base, is awesome.

I would not recommend physical WZR books. I had WZR rulebook that was outdated after a month. Waste of money. Stay with pdf which is free if you must play anything Prodos related.

Well, I've heard nothing but praise from version 2.0 play-testers, and love the setting. I will probably not get a ton of chances to play it... but i'll remain an optimist. :-p

Meanwhile, I don't mind supporting my country-men, and a Polish game feels like something worth at least making some effort to back.

The 2.0 rules are available for free as pdfs, aren't they?

Or was that just my imagination.

I wouldn't mind picking up some of the books or pdfs to at least read through.

Did the same for Void and Chronopia, and I have no intention of really starting either of those games.

Although with Modiphius mentioning looking into Chronopia....

The rules are indeed out, and free. At a first-read, they also seem terrific, and the GMG bat-rep I watched likewise looked very clean, and interesting.

The napkin math I did, based on Siege of the Citadel suggests that you could field a HUGE Legion army based exclusively on what's in the KS right now, while likewise having most of the "Heroes" from the other factions.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/10/6/mutant-chronicles-siege-of-the-citadel/

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1702074

Man... they are showering this one with value. I'm thrilled by the volume of content there seems to be.

If 40k players wanted some Daemon Princes and other Chaos minions, this would be great for them. I love that it basically also provides Warzone players with a hell of a Dark Legion army.

White Star Tsarina https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1702335

I am probably going to buy in anyway (both for the boardgame and for use in the excellent rpg) but do we know about any variant sculpts for the Dark Legion models? One sort works fine for a boardgame or rpg but I would be more hesitant building a tabletop army out of a pledge with 20 identical sculpts

Gasmasked Mook wrote:
I am probably going to buy in anyway (both for the boardgame and for use in the excellent rpg) but do we know about any variant sculpts for the Dark Legion models? One sort works fine for a boardgame or rpg but I would be more hesitant building a tabletop army out of a pledge with 20 identical sculpts

Unfortunately, it's one of the few evident weaknesses of this campaign: there aren't any variant sculpts whatsoever. So yes, all 20 undead legionaires will indeed look like an identical chorus line. This is in keeping with the original Siege of the Citadel, in which there was one pose per enemy type.

That would ordinarily be a deal-killer for me, but on the other hand, they're unlocking so many different character and enemy types that you still end up with a lot of unique miniatures.

Strangely enough, I don't think anyone's asked or complained about variant sculpts during the entire campaign.

OK, I just posted a question as to whether they'd consider it as a stretch goal. We'll see.

Cheers! I ended up backing anyway for the aforementioned rpg reasons but it definitely wouldn't be a problem if they threw out a couple of variations (it looks like the cultists have three different poses?)

Chris also mentioned in the comments that new poses was something being considered as a future goal, so we can all take solace in Vermonter asking for us.

Don't forget the final social stretch goal needs to be unlocked, as it lets backers vote on a new legion creature to include.

I still say a Biogiant or something large, but that's just my preference for big monsters. Plus I'd love to see how they would update it.

Golgotha is here https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/posts/1702783

Nice, got a dark legion pledge via paypal, because this country is still under capital control, waiting for the pledge manager now to add the rest.

500k breached!

The wife and I always love board-games with some RPG-lite mechanics, so I was always at least looking at this one, but I also wanted to specifically play Legion in the table-top/Prodos game, and as we discussed, at this point a pledge in this KS essentially gets you one or more units of everything in that army-list, plus piles of extras.

The random quest maker which accounts for all the extra tiles, etc... is a huge bonus, and honestly, the deal was sealed when they offered the $30 hardbound book with every campaign, and .pdf extra in print.

This has been an amazing value as KS goes. I am very, very excited.

If the KS creators are watching this space... here's a quick request. Any chance of expanding on/adding a "between games" expansion? Something which lets events or such happen between game sessions with rammifications on the next game?

I caved, mostly because it is one of the best light co-oop/leveling mini board games ever. It just needed a bit of balancing and polish. Wich it will probably get now. I really should have taken the lower pledge, I will probably never use the rest of the material (which also tend to be less balanced and thought out in exploding kick starters). But the "deal" simply seems too good...

There's so much stuff in the pledge (and still coming!?!?) that you could honestly part out most of the Dark Legion pledge on eBay or the like, keep the base game, and probably end up having the game pay for itself at that point.

That's what I've done with most of the Zombicide stuff at least. Don't think it will be much different here.

So I take it the original game was much loved for its gameplay? I am not really familiar, but people seem to have such a great fondness for it. Was its original release already a light RPG/Co-op game? That sounds shockingly progressive for its time, considering the attention I always remember being spot-lighted on Heroquest.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
So I take it the original game was much loved for its gameplay? I am not really familiar, but people seem to have such a great fondness for it. Was its original release already a light RPG/Co-op game? That sounds shockingly progressive for its time, considering the attention I always remember being spot-lighted on Heroquest.

Check mutantpedia http://www.mutantpedia.com/eng/ - there you will find pdfs for old Siege plus all old MC rpgs, wargames etc.

Main KS page (see all things we unlocked) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/274643038/siege-of-the-citadel-2nd-edition-techno-fantasy-bo/description

I broke down in the final seven minutes.

I was so close...

Well, now to find space for this monstrosity!

I actually really dig that they point out how the "Collector's Edition" book, will have the entirety of all of the campaign scenarios, in order, to be one as a massive campaign. Stuff like that has me very excited, and I feel like if my group and I run through that, even once, it will have well paid for the value of the entire Kickstarter.

This KS definitely has genuine value, rather than gamed perceptions of value that won't hold up later at retail. If someone can buy the $149 Dark Legion pledge later at retail for less than $149, I'll chronicle a mutant.

I stuck to $1 at the end, though, as my most important question - variant sculpts - still awaits a full answer, and I don't really need any more $150 deluxe miniature boardgames. I'm sure Modiphius will get plenty of money from paypal and lots more from $1 pledges upping to Dark Legion and Dark Legion pledgers adding things on in the PM, so I'm sure they could do variant sculpts if they wanted. As to whether or not they will, who knows. FFG doesn't bother with variant enemy poses as a general rule, but variant sculpts are an expected standard for boardgames with higher quality miniatures, like the ones CMON and Mantic produce.

One thing I appreciate about the "real" value, is that you can really see the future release model, and know the prices aren't fudged for KS-sake.

Clearly the 3-4 expansions that include tiles, new heroes, new enemies, etc... will be boxed for sale, and then stuff like Illian and the like are clearly smaller, end-cap style blisters of one new "boss", maybe a paper pamphlet with a couple new scenarios, and so on.

There are, no doubt, a whole line's worth of releases which I suspect FFG will drip-feed out for some time, keeping the game visible, and supported. As such, KS backers get a hell of a deal, but a whole rich line of products will eventually help FLGS's have an excuse to keep the game played.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:And to my earlier point, now that a random mission generator deck is in (a very reasonable $20 add-on... which isn't included in DL pledges), can someone tell me how far characters level/progress? Can we expect to be able to string a dozen games together, or just a couple?

Is there any "between missions" events, ala the travel/towns of Warhammer Quest of old?

Yes we'll actually present all the missions as a narrative letting you follow various critical events in the siege and the battles that led up to it. Characters currently progres I believe up to 10 or 12 levels, and we are looking at scope beyond that with unique abilities limited to what your archetype is (melee, ranged, tech)

With the Luna Expansion there's a 'between missions' deck that is a bit of a risk - it can provide cool stuff but also bad events.

Vermonter wrote:

Gasmasked Mook wrote:
I am probably going to buy in anyway (both for the boardgame and for use in the excellent rpg) but do we know about any variant sculpts for the Dark Legion models? One sort works fine for a boardgame or rpg but I would be more hesitant building a tabletop army out of a pledge with 20 identical sculpts

Unfortunately, it's one of the few evident weaknesses of this campaign: there aren't any variant sculpts whatsoever. So yes, all 20 undead legionaires will indeed look like an identical chorus line. This is in keeping with the original Siege of the Citadel, in which there was one pose per enemy type.
That would ordinarily be a deal-killer for me, but on the other hand, they're unlocking so many different character and enemy types that you still end up with a lot of unique miniatures.

Yes we are looking at it - we wanted to breakdown the final production and see where the possibility would be to unlock extra poses based on likely moulds, that might be a new stretch goal added in for the pledge manager (yes we keep unlocking goals after)

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
If the KS creators are watching this space... here's a quick request. Any chance of expanding on/adding a "between games" expansion? Something which lets events or such happen between game sessions with rammifications on the next game?

Yes see above there is a deck in the Luna expansion and rules to cover this. We may expand on this next.. . (watch this space).

Extra poses for necromutants and undead legioniars would be great.

I didn't have the cash to upgrade from my $1 pledge, but once the PM comes out I'll be going all-in.

Thanks Modiphius. It feels wonderful to be "heard" as a consumer. You've already got my $150, but come Pledge Manager I expect I will be adding much, much more. Certainly that $100 game-add-on bundle, but probably some of the print RPG books as well!

Keep us up on the "advanced progression" and expanded between-game phase stuff! I would absolutely love to see that further developed to finally give us that game that outright usurps classic Warhammer Quest, mechanically.

Modiphius sure has a lot of balls in the air these days - I hope FFG can help move things along here!

 Alpharius wrote:
Modiphius sure has a lot of balls in the air these days - I hope FFG can help move things along here!

Especially because it's actually Modiphius and Cabinet, and I'm unclear how things are divided up. Modiphius is mostly a book publisher, Thunderbirds was a good game but not nearly as complex in terms of components (and the models were...not the most detailed). Cabinet is...vague, but seems to be focused around licensing their IP (which includes Mutant Chronicles) rather than anything production related. Which is odd, given that they cite the experience of Fred Malmberg (who is also the CEO of Paradox Interactive, the videogames publisher) of Cabinet as helping them to produce a miniatures boardgame - that doesn't seem to be his role here, although he did found the publisher of the original Siege of the Citadel.

And of course, while FFG are involved, it's to handle retail distribution & localisation only, emphatically nothing to do with what happens with the backers:

Cabinet and Modiphius are running the kickstarter and are in charge of the development, design and production of the game. They will also be handling the fulfilment to Kickstarter backers. The awesome team at FFG are going to be handling the retail sales and translations of the game.

I'm sure it's all going to be fine, but if it does blows up I feel it will do so impressively!

Perente is been named a few times iirc so the factory he works for has been involved in miniatures production, I am sure that unlike dust though he will deliver without shenanigans because he is not part of this project he is a contractor.

For all those that had missed KS you can still join here https://www.modiphius.net/collections/siege-of-the-citadel

Question: how long do we have to decide on whether to jump in on late pledging? I can't a date listed anywhere.

 Freytag93 wrote:
Question: how long do we have to decide on whether to jump in on late pledging? I can't a date listed anywhere.

I guess you must ask Modiphius about that. Write here (they usually reply quickly) http://www.modiphius.com/contact.html

Hi guys, what do you say about this?

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/711009.page#9076625
(Subject: Original Mutant Chronicles Siege of the Citadel Expansion/Material)

Can I come aboard?

Looks great! You did a lot of work. I admire the effort

Hey, thanks a lot! I figured I should somehow show it to the serious remake crowd before letting it go. It's made to fit the original SotC so it is obviously not relevant now, but maybe an expansion for the original would be cool after the release.



Cheers