I'm pretty interested in hearing peoples stories for pet peeves people have of other players. Admittedly we know for the most part our player base is not always socially skilled, but sometimes people just make you go dude, wtf. My current play area is mostly military so not as many issues as before, but some issues I have seen:

body odor-like seriously, at work I will have to counsel people for having poor hygiene but out in town I suppose it is frowned upon.

staring-I've seen a few of the guys like if a girl walks in pretty much creepily side stare them the entire time they are in the store, like it even makes me uncomfortable

This one guy who continuously tries to say his stuff has other rules it doesn't and when someone calls it out will be like oh my bad remembering 3rd edition (I know it can happen but he plays very very often)

I know there are more I will be able to think of later, but I want to hear the stories that make some people just kind of step back and process what just happened.

Edit for title

I dont get to play often but the only real "cringe" was from a Heroclix player (I used to be) who kept telling me how broken 40k was and how glad he didnt play.

Cool. I agree 40k is a total mess. But saying Heroclix is any better/cheaper? I couldnt even bother debating that amount of delusion.

Hands down, I've played some rather unsavory guys, but I keep this story around for these threads.

Showed up to play my friend, he canceled, didn't get message til that day, only played for about 3+ months, still new and have 6th edition DA.

Other guy introduces me to TFG, says he's looking for a PUG. Fine, whatever.

TFG sees me set out all my models ahead of time, asks if I have any AA, answer a Quad Gun and Nephilim Jetfighter, TFG then list tailors me (not something I thought people actually did, or to people's faces).

While setting up, TFG brags about having to leave his previous store because he was 'too good' and beat everyone so bad they refused to play him.

TFG then puts out 3 Storm Talons, 2 Storm Ravens, Chapter master with kitted out Sternguard, and 3 Shotgun Scout squads in 3 Land Speeder Storms, all unpainted so he can run different CTs as he pleases.

TFG proceeds to stomp me, whatever, but acts like he won through strategy and skill.

TFG disappears and is never seen until about a year later, 3 weeks ago.

Talk to current friend about TFG, turns out everyone hates him and he's such a douche. Somehow TFG has a wife.....

There are these family of gamers in my group and UGH I hate them.
Im gonna catch flak for this, but I know they has Aspergers, but my god, those kids are the worst. One unit dies, they fail to kill one unit or something and they blow up. and Im always stuck playing them
The most recent was worse
1: The guy forgot to fire all his missiles, I did the math in my head and was about to tell him, but didnt. So a turn later he asks if he can fire more this time to make up. I said no, this is a tournament and you gotta live with it.
2: He built his whole army over the fact that Devilfishes can deepstrike, guess what they cant do? Yeah I told him that when he first tried. Whine Whine Whine the whole next two turns.
Neither was when I sniped the guy with a KFF so now his green tide is useless.

There are a few unsavory people near where I go... but hands down the worse is the guy who smells terribly of B.O.

Normally you can forgive someone who smells, and talk to him about it, but we have talked to him multiple times and does not think it is that much of an issue. At an event we even had the event coordinator buy him a can of deodorant, which the guy promptly threw out after having it handed to him.

Exalbaru wrote:
I'm pretty interested in hearing peoples stories for pet peeves people have of other players. Admittedly we know for the most part our player base is not always socially skilled, but sometimes people just make you go dude, wtf. My current play area is mostly military so not as many issues as before, but some issues I have seen:

body odor-like seriously, at work I will have to counsel people for having poor hygiene but out in town I suppose it is frowned upon.

I guess I'm lucky? when it comes to the whole unwashed BO issue myself... Having been heavily involved in minor hockey for most of my life, including about 18 years of high level competitive hockey, 'body stink' doesn't phase me at all.
Granted I know guys who've been out on the job for 8+ hours in the sun can be a nasty level of Nurgly goodness, but then, I played for two years with a goalie who hadn't even aired out - let alone washed - her equipment in over three years! We actually would stick her in her own dressing room, and I swear half the pucks she stopped where due to a solid cloud of pure gak rather than any form of skill...

On the other hand, I can't stand being around anyone who's just smoked a couple cigs. The stench of second hand smoke just gags me every single time.
Worst of all is the LGS in town, as the gaming tables are all in their own small little side rooms. Nice for privacy and keeping the noise down. Death traps when your opponent turns out to be a three pack a day chain smoker who needs a break every 10-15min to go light up another one...

Exalbaru wrote:
staring-I've seen a few of the guys like if a girl walks in pretty much creepily side stare them the entire time they are in the store, like it even makes me uncomfortable.

It's funny, because I've been on the receiving end of this so much! Best was after getting a job at the local GW store, and for the first half a year or so, just a constant barrage of, "Omg! you're a girl/there's a girl working here now?!"

I understand the whole thing where it's fun to watch a trainwreck, and fun to hear stories about TFG. Sort of like how it's "fun" to watch ridiculous drama on a reality television show.

But I wish we had more threads about AWESOME players come up than the weekly "tell me about your horrible game experiences" thread.

oz of the north wrote:
There are a few unsavory people near where I go... but hands down the worse is the guy who smells terribly of B.O.

Normally you can forgive someone who smells, and talk to him about it, but we have talked to him multiple times and does not think it is that much of an issue. At an event we even had the event coordinator buy him a can of deodorant, which the guy promptly threw out after having it handed to him.

We have a guy sort of like that, and tbh I feel bad for him. He comes from a very broken home where ever since he was a kid, the parents leave their place trashed with rats running around and junk. He's trying to earn money to move out, but he gets a really bad rep for carrying the smell of his home with him.

oz of the north wrote:
There are a few unsavory people near where I go... but hands down the worse is the guy who smells terribly of B.O.

Normally you can forgive someone who smells, and talk to him about it, but we have talked to him multiple times and does not think it is that much of an issue. At an event we even had the event coordinator buy him a can of deodorant, which the guy promptly threw out after having it handed to him.

I always bring Deodarant with me, my meta can get very heated and I don't want to walk into the shop and come out of a sauna

I dislike players that whine, list-tailor and knowingly cheat. I've got one person I know who made Necron Wraiths T6, Outflanked Stormtalons from Master of Ambush, taken multiple of the same name relic, etc, etc...

OP, you change this thread name to You know what really grinds my gears

 niv-mizzet wrote:

oz of the north wrote:
There are a few unsavory people near where I go... but hands down the worse is the guy who smells terribly of B.O.

Normally you can forgive someone who smells, and talk to him about it, but we have talked to him multiple times and does not think it is that much of an issue. At an event we even had the event coordinator buy him a can of deodorant, which the guy promptly threw out after having it handed to him.

We have a guy sort of like that, and tbh I feel bad for him. He comes from a very broken home where ever since he was a kid, the parents leave their place trashed with rats running around and junk. He's trying to earn money to move out, but he gets a really bad rep for carrying the smell of his home with him.

This guy does not have that problem with a broken home, lives with grandparents since just does not want a job.

oz of the north wrote:?.. At an event we even had the event coordinator buy him a can of deodorant, which the guy promptly threw out after having it handed to him.

Brilliant Why can't more do this!

Experiment 626 wrote:...snip...

Didn't you used to work at a cursed GW store? I vaguely recall a thread where every undesirable and natural disaster happened!

There's this guy at my local GW that always gets his rules wrong.

And honestly I can't tell whether it's ignorance or willful cheating but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt based on the fact that he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed + he gets rules completely wrong for armies he knows I play regularly and I can't believe anyone is that stupid.

Last time he argued the banner of blood gave him 6" + 2D6 charge range rather than 6" + D6. Can't fanthom how anyone read that wrong, but whatever.
The time before that he argued that he could purchase as much boons from the blood tithe table as he wanted while it clearly tells you to pick one and discard the remaining points. (I am aware that their detachment allows you to pick two, but he literally tried buying 3 with his points).

DaPino wrote:
There's this guy at my local GW that always gets his rules wrong.

And honestly I can't tell whether it's ignorance or willful cheating but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt based on the fact that he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed + he gets rules completely wrong for armies he knows I play regularly and I can't believe anyone is that stupid.

Last time he argued the banner of blood gave him 6" + 2D6 charge range rather than 6" + D6. Can't fanthom how anyone read that wrong, but whatever.
The time before that he argued that he could purchase as much boons from the blood tithe table as he wanted while it clearly tells you to pick one and discard the remaining points. (I am aware that their detachment allows you to pick two, but he literally tried buying 3 with his points).

I work at a pizza place. People subconsciously read what they want to read. I can't tell you how many times I've had to tell people that "the coupon does not say you get as many extra free pizzas as you want just by buying 1."

I think it is the need to win no-matter what that is painful to see.
I befriended a fellow as I was new in the gaming area.
I began to realize after a time my role was to lose and I was considered a bit mentally deficient for not getting with the program.

Just got into 40k with the guy and he beat me often but I was getting better.
One evening I won, (shock horror!).
So he casually asked if I wanted to play Lasertag at the place around the corner.
So sure (grew up on farm with weapons target shooting for fun and loved shooter arcade games).. beat him by 3-4 points, he was some member of a league or something.
He was getting agitated (I still had not clued in just yet...).
So then he asked me to play air-hockey which they had there (my family owned one that my brother and I competed on all the time).
He had asked me to "not hold back" not knowing the history and I "think" he figured this was obscure enough to beat me on.
I destroyed him, he did not get a single goal in.
I apologized and he basically ran out of the building.
It was the perfect storm of being on your A-game that day and being utterly clueless of his need to win.
I realized then and many other games with the WAAC crowd that the ultimate insult is to beat them and then apologize!

At a later date, he had asked me what ratio he played at "to win" or "just to have fun"... I said 80-20 in that order and he said "Good, I thought I was losing my edge".
<sigh> This is not a good thing in my books.

I don't have any "really" bad players at my LGS, as the crowd there is pretty cool. The worst guy is the one who likes bringing a Baneblade to every game he plays above 1500 pts, no matter who he is going against or their experience level. None of us really mind as he's a really nice guy (and Baneblades aren't that strong atm)

 War Kitten wrote:
I don't have any "really" bad players at my LGS, as the crowd there is pretty cool. The worst guy is the one who likes bringing a Baneblade to every game he plays above 1500 pts, no matter who he is going against or their experience level. None of us really mind as he's a really nice guy (and Baneblades aren't that strong atm)

I have that same player, but lower that point count to 750-1000. Also always takes tanks for the rest of his army. Made him leave after he tried to hamfisted a lemun russ into a kill team league i was starting and he refused to change it

autumnlotus wrote:

 War Kitten wrote:
I don't have any "really" bad players at my LGS, as the crowd there is pretty cool. The worst guy is the one who likes bringing a Baneblade to every game he plays above 1500 pts, no matter who he is going against or their experience level. None of us really mind as he's a really nice guy (and Baneblades aren't that strong atm)

I have that same player, but lower that point count to 750-1000. Also always takes tanks for the rest of his army. Made him leave after he tried to hamfisted a lemun russ into a kill team league i was starting and he refused to change it

Luckily for me the guy in question at my store really is a great guy, he just loves his tanks.

I have an opponent with a nasty penchant for using broken as hell formations and combos, such as bringing a Libby conclave and Invisibility ing a triple Vindicator squadron. He also loes to bring 30K units (primarily primarchs) in to 40K without any prior warning and has been known to hide them until mid game in transports.
He will then complain about other armies rules, such as GK out psyching him, DA airwing and IG Orders.

In fact some of my favourite complaints are:

"Guard orders are overpowered, they should be a once per game thing like chapter tactics" (this was after I FRFSRF 3 Veteran sections in a 'friendly' game where we had agreed not to use anything bigger than walkers and he had deployed a Primarch)

"Guard tanks are over powered, you need to bring less of them (I had 7 in a 2K game)"

"This game, lets each pick one unit which our opponent cant use" (Then justified this in that I could pick Librarians and stop his psychic spam. I politely declined)

"The Guard are not about the tanks, they are about the men on the front line"

"I think that two or three tanks is enough for a guard army"

There is also the club manager. He is a great guy but keeps making remarks about my Leman Russ - I use Bolt Action Churchills (my army is themed around the British East Lancashire units) and how they are "too small" (the fact that they are only slightly smaller than a LRBT is beside the point) and that I should "buy some proper tanks".
Oddly enough when I offered him the chance to purchase them for me he declined.....

I love that idea with the deodorant, and will probably buy some for when I go to the store hahaha. As a healthcare provider, a bad smell can clue in a plethora of issues so its a big thing for me.

Agreed, power gaming is the worst, its a game. Its something we do for fun, its totally fine to lose and should be no big deal. But its almost like I'm embarrassed for these guys when they just start stammering and blaming small stuff.

 master of ordinance wrote:
I have an opponent with a nasty penchant for using broken as hell formations and combos, such as bringing a Libby conclave and Invisibility ing a triple Vindicator squadron. He also loes to bring 30K units (primarily primarchs) in to 40K without any prior warning and has been known to hide them until mid game in transports.
He will then complain about other armies rules, such as GK out psyching him, DA airwing and IG Orders.

In fact some of my favourite complaints are:

"Guard orders are overpowered, they should be a once per game thing like chapter tactics" (this was after I FRFSRF 3 Veteran sections in a 'friendly' game where we had agreed not to use anything bigger than walkers and he had deployed a Primarch)

"Guard tanks are over powered, you need to bring less of them (I had 7 in a 2K game)"

"This game, lets each pick one unit which our opponent cant use" (Then justified this in that I could pick Librarians and stop his psychic spam. I politely declined)

"The Guard are not about the tanks, they are about the men on the front line"

"I think that two or three tanks is enough for a guard army"

There is also the club manager. He is a great guy but keeps making remarks about my Leman Russ - I use Bolt Action Churchills (my army is themed around the British East Lancashire units) and how they are "too small" (the fact that they are only slightly smaller than a LRBT is beside the point) and that I should "buy some proper tanks".
Oddly enough when I offered him the chance to purchase them for me he declined.....

Guard Tanks are obscenely overpowered, the GW staff took away my mates Relic Whirlwind Scorpius w/ Battle of Keylek for a Lemun Russ and claimed he had better fire power because it was a large blast not a small blast so he shouldn't be mad. My mate is seriously thinking about packing his models up if it happens again.

Non-competitive fluffy campaign.

Brings War Convocation with Imperial Knight.

Mentally butchered alive and left for the ravens.

 Arkaine wrote:
Non-competitive fluffy campaign.

Yeah, aren't those the worst?

 zedmeister wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:...snip...

Didn't you used to work at a cursed GW store? I vaguely recall a thread where every undesirable and natural disaster happened!

Yep. We were known as "the store that God hates."

Though we did prove that the Waaaagh! is indeed powerful enough to knock out reception in nearby walkie-talkies!

Experiment 626 wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:...snip...

Didn't you used to work at a cursed GW store? I vaguely recall a thread where every undesirable and natural disaster happened!

Yep. We were known as "the store that God hates."

Though we did prove that the Waaaagh! is indeed powerful enough to knock out reception in nearby walkie-talkies!

Remind me of a store that always had a new guy every time I went... Only one was a TFG.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
I have an opponent with a nasty penchant for using broken as hell formations and combos, such as bringing a Libby conclave and Invisibility ing a triple Vindicator squadron. He also loes to bring 30K units (primarily primarchs) in to 40K without any prior warning and has been known to hide them until mid game in transports.
He will then complain about other armies rules, such as GK out psyching him, DA airwing and IG Orders.

In fact some of my favourite complaints are:

"Guard orders are overpowered, they should be a once per game thing like chapter tactics" (this was after I FRFSRF 3 Veteran sections in a 'friendly' game where we had agreed not to use anything bigger than walkers and he had deployed a Primarch)

"Guard tanks are over powered, you need to bring less of them (I had 7 in a 2K game)"

"This game, lets each pick one unit which our opponent cant use" (Then justified this in that I could pick Librarians and stop his psychic spam. I politely declined)

"The Guard are not about the tanks, they are about the men on the front line"

"I think that two or three tanks is enough for a guard army"

There is also the club manager. He is a great guy but keeps making remarks about my Leman Russ - I use Bolt Action Churchills (my army is themed around the British East Lancashire units) and how they are "too small" (the fact that they are only slightly smaller than a LRBT is beside the point) and that I should "buy some proper tanks".
Oddly enough when I offered him the chance to purchase them for me he declined.....

Guard Tanks are obscenely overpowered, the GW staff took away my mates Relic Whirlwind Scorpius w/ Battle of Keylek for a Lemun Russ and claimed he had better fire power because it was a large blast not a small blast so he shouldn't be mad. My mate is seriously thinking about packing his models up if it happens again.

Wait, What?
A Gw employee took your friends model and made him use a different one?

We have a guy in my gaming group, who for the most part is a really fun guy to be with; However...

I have this completely bad vipe of him, and on numerous occassions, I've looked at his army, and noticed the amount of points he'd used was off (I calculated once, 325pt in a 250 pt game).
I haven't had the balls to confront him, since I am quite unsure if it's me who've overlooked something (I am not 100% familiar with his codex) or that he's actually cheating.

He also has a tendency, to completely wipe out newbies, going as far as to ignore the other more skilled players in 2 v 2 battles.

Murrdox wrote:
I understand the whole thing where it's fun to watch a trainwreck, and fun to hear stories about TFG. Sort of like how it's "fun" to watch ridiculous drama on a reality television show.

But I wish we had more threads about AWESOME players come up than the weekly "tell me about your horrible game experiences" thread.

I have a story that fits this thread and your post. I told this story over a few previous posts, but here is is again

My experience with TFG


My revenge


Aftermath, the until now untold followup:
I felt bad for the revenge part. It ate at me (curse having a conscience). The next time I saw him, a few weeks later, I apologized. Or at least I started to. He actually interrupted me to apologize and tell me he deserved it. At this point a few of the other guys gathered around, and we talked it out. He told us he was sorry, and he got to caught up in needing to win. And he was willing to work on it. Skeptically, we accepted. He has become a great opponent to play against, like a totally different person. There are one or two people who still begrudge him, but the last few months I have been actually looking forward to playing him, and no one has had any complaints (about him, rather than about how much necrons can suck to play against). His total 180 was great, and really goes to show that you never know what you can gain from simply talking to the problem members of your community. Yes, it may get you nowhere, but you really aren't any worse off. Or, it could help turn one TFG into a great contribution to your local player group.

Experiment 626 wrote:

Exalbaru wrote:
staring-I've seen a few of the guys like if a girl walks in pretty much creepily side stare them the entire time they are in the store, like it even makes me uncomfortable.

It's funny, because I've been on the receiving end of this so much! Best was after getting a job at the local GW store, and for the first half a year or so, just a constant barrage of, "Omg! you're a girl/there's a girl working here now?!"

Honestly I personally don't care unless the girl is pretty. It's less "A girl plays here!" and more "A girl plays here and SHE'S HOT!" I mean certain things in nerd culture are more heavily populated by guys (like Games Workshop) and judging by how anti-social and gut-less most of the guys are (myself included) the pretty girls get stares. Not to be mean but when girls often come to the Games Workshop in Michigan they're either escorted by their husbands or boyfriends rather than coming by themselves and generally only play or usually paint because their husband does it (maybe they're being supportive which is good on them). Also in many cases these girls tend to not be the best looking. Sometimes they have a chunk of hair missing from their scalp or some such. Oddly enough online there are a few pretty girl gamers in warhammer and that just blows my mind. They must be in the 0.1% (though one of the GW's in Michigan at one point had an attractive female employee that was good at painting or modeling the models).

You also gotta understand it's good to find somebody interested in the same things and it's not like these guys went out of their way to see you rather than played and you just came in. I won't say it doesn't suck trying to fit in and enjoy your hobby while getting stares but I don't understand that end. Being a guy the end I understand is trying to find a nerdy gamer girl that's halfway decent looking and having to fight off about 20 or more dudes to get chosen and usually I can manage to come close to the top ok but never get the girl. Of course this might be generalizing a bit much but most of the war-gamer girls on the internet are either taken (in a relationship) or gay (could explain why they like the more male heavy games).

At this point if a pretty girl gamer comes along I sigh more than anything. Mostly it's because they are all out of my league as most pretty girls are and it's just not worth the effort anymore. Also it will ruin the atmosphere as people act super nice to her, stare at her or are angrily dissuaded from hitting on her so that the guys in the store are more uneasy when she's around and the mood feels unnatural.

I'm sure i'll get flak for my comments on that but whatever. It's the truth and I've been told I'm not a liar (even when it might be better to hold my tongue).

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I'm also sorry for anybody that has to work at a GW store for many reasons. One being the hate GW receives and you have to deal with and the various moves GW makes. I used to not mind the idea of working at a GW even when they halved the imperial guardsmen boxes and increased the price when 5th edition imperial guard came and employees tried to reason it. It was more the dreaded AoS that came out this year and the death of fantasy. Not only justifying it as an employee and shouting down the customer but acting like it's the best thing since sliced bread. I'm sorry I can't be forced to like something so abysmal that hurt so many customers. It's a topic for another thread though.

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Far as my own experiences go there's a few kinds of people I don't like in the store. The super-competitive or snobby (to almost hipster levels) people that think themselves better or belittle you for your army or the supposed 'cool kids' nerds. The other thing is really annoying players like somebody that won't shut up. Body odor is also a problem and maybe my nose isn't that sensitive but I haven't experienced anything that bad so far.

I've in between places right now (Wales, London, West Country and china, it's possible) now people on this forum are familiar with my stories about some of the reactions my army gets. But recently I played in a tornament. I knew in was unable to win because of 2 factors. 1. I was leaving for China before it ended. 2. Anyone with with a scatter bike wiped the floor with me. But it had fun. I always play fluffy so it don't mind much.

This is until I played TFG with wolves. He denied every point i took. Every save he failed he moaned about. Tried to deny my rolls when my flyers came on. He fairly beat me. But after he came up took me while I was having having a drink and went on how he "wiped the floor with me and I shouldn't try and deny it." In reality I had destroyed all his tanks and won with a few scouts holding objectives. I thought it was simply pathetic of of a man in his 30s to get so agro over winning...he didn't even lose!

 master of ordinance wrote:
I have an opponent with a nasty penchant for using broken as hell formations and combos, such as bringing a Libby conclave and Invisibility ing a triple Vindicator squadron. He also loes to bring 30K units (primarily primarchs) in to 40K without any prior warning and has been known to hide them until mid game in transports.
He will then complain about other armies rules, such as GK out psyching him, DA airwing and IG Orders.

In fact some of my favourite complaints are:

"Guard orders are overpowered, they should be a once per game thing like chapter tactics" (this was after I FRFSRF 3 Veteran sections in a 'friendly' game where we had agreed not to use anything bigger than walkers and he had deployed a Primarch)

"Guard tanks are over powered, you need to bring less of them (I had 7 in a 2K game)"

"This game, lets each pick one unit which our opponent cant use" (Then justified this in that I could pick Librarians and stop his psychic spam. I politely declined)

"The Guard are not about the tanks, they are about the men on the front line"

"I think that two or three tanks is enough for a guard army"

There is also the club manager. He is a great guy but keeps making remarks about my Leman Russ - I use Bolt Action Churchills (my army is themed around the British East Lancashire units) and how they are "too small" (the fact that they are only slightly smaller than a LRBT is beside the point) and that I should "buy some proper tanks".
Oddly enough when I offered him the chance to purchase them for me he declined.....

Its in the 40k rule book that if your opponent asks for your list you have to show it to them. You don't need to be a victim of such nasty surprises!

Ok, hear me out. I was just beginning to start my KDK army. That guy comes to my table where I am painting. He ask me if I want to play. I'm like ''okay, but I don't really have anything competitive yet, not even a good anti-tank and I don't have any flyers or anti-flying unit''. He's like ''okay, no problem, let's do a 1k pts game''.

We begin to play. He puts a Gorkanaut and a flyer on the table.

I had this one guy at my local GW
He would be a Rules Lawyer, Whilst breaking those rules himself and tried to be a dominant alpha male
one example was an all day apocalypse game where he was the organizer (we didnt know that when we signed up) and he set up the table for an easy Imperial victory (as he was also playing) by placing ALL the buildings on, or near the deployment zone so when Chaos+Xenos came onto the board they had NO COVER and also didnt tell the Chaos+Xenos players they were 2000 points over! (i think this was a ploy as the Imperium was getting destroyed by 3 Invisible Stompas). Another player calcultates the total points (excluding the 'Extra' 2000) to be near spot on (100 point difference) and word goes around to every player about this, we all turn to him and ask why. he replies with "Im the organizer, its my Game" and everone decided to appoint a New Organizer (without telling the old one about it) When the old organizer tries to insert his dominance, everyone ignores him and asks the new organizer what should happen, Old Organizer procceeds to walk of angrily fir about an hour, when he returns we still ignore him (The Imperium won)
Havent seen him since then

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

Exalbaru wrote:
staring-I've seen a few of the guys like if a girl walks in pretty much creepily side stare them the entire time they are in the store, like it even makes me uncomfortable.

It's funny, because I've been on the receiving end of this so much! Best was after getting a job at the local GW store, and for the first half a year or so, just a constant barrage of, "Omg! you're a girl/there's a girl working here now?!"

Honestly I personally don't care unless the girl is pretty. It's less "A girl plays here!" and more "A girl plays here and SHE'S HOT!" I mean certain things in nerd culture are more heavily populated by guys (like Games Workshop) and judging by how anti-social and gut-less most of the guys are (myself included) the pretty girls get stares. Not to be mean but when girls often come to the Games Workshop in Michigan they're either escorted by their husbands or boyfriends rather than coming by themselves and generally only play or usually paint because their husband does it (maybe they're being supportive which is good on them). Also in many cases these girls tend to not be the best looking. Sometimes they have a chunk of hair missing from their scalp or some such. Oddly enough online there are a few pretty girl gamers in warhammer and that just blows my mind. They must be in the 0.1% (though one of the GW's in Michigan at one point had an attractive female employee that was good at painting or modeling the models).

You also gotta understand it's good to find somebody interested in the same things and it's not like these guys went out of their way to see you rather than played and you just came in. I won't say it doesn't suck trying to fit in and enjoy your hobby while getting stares but I don't understand that end. Being a guy the end I understand is trying to find a nerdy gamer girl that's halfway decent looking and having to fight off about 20 or more dudes to get chosen and usually I can manage to come close to the top ok but never get the girl. Of course this might be generalizing a bit much but most of the war-gamer girls on the internet are either taken (in a relationship) or gay (could explain why they like the more male heavy games).

At this point if a pretty girl gamer comes along I sigh more than anything. Mostly it's because they are all out of my league as most pretty girls are and it's just not worth the effort anymore. Also it will ruin the atmosphere as people act super nice to her, stare at her or are angrily dissuaded from hitting on her so that the guys in the store are more uneasy when she's around and the mood feels unnatural.

I'm sure i'll get flak for my comments on that but whatever. It's the truth and I've been told I'm not a liar (even when it might be better to hold my tongue).

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I'm also sorry for anybody that has to work at a GW store for many reasons. One being the hate GW receives and you have to deal with and the various moves GW makes. I used to not mind the idea of working at a GW even when they halved the imperial guardsmen boxes and increased the price when 5th edition imperial guard came and employees tried to reason it. It was more the dreaded AoS that came out this year and the death of fantasy. Not only justifying it as an employee and shouting down the customer but acting like it's the best thing since sliced bread. I'm sorry I can't be forced to like something so abysmal that hurt so many customers. It's a topic for another thread though.

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Far as my own experiences go there's a few kinds of people I don't like in the store. The super-competitive or snobby (to almost hipster levels) people that think themselves better or belittle you for your army or the supposed 'cool kids' nerds. The other thing is really annoying players like somebody that won't shut up. Body odor is also a problem and maybe my nose isn't that sensitive but I haven't experienced anything that bad so far.

Meanwhile, in Femland

"Where are you going, Kelly?"

"Thought I might nip down to my local game store for a nice good bit of getting stared at. I'm specifically wearing this formless T-shirt but it references something in nerd culture so I hope everyone else will take it as some kind of come-on."

"Ooh, is anyone there close to racking up enough NGP?"

"Yeah a few people have garnered significant Nice Guy Points but I think I'll just go find myself another jerk."

"Well have fun! Are you going to do anything else while you're there?"

"Of course not, what you think I'm going to the game store to pursue some kind of hobby? I'm a girl nerd, so obviously I perceive the entire world of nerd culture as a giant dating site."

/s

Well, after that little aside I know what can grind someone's gears in a big way:

Bring girlfriend to hobby shop, she decides to dress a bit on the hot side "to make you feel good in front of your game friends".

Her and I play a game and a couple of the guys wander up and ask about my "relationship" with her.

I said she is a "long time friend".

Guys start jockeying for position, butt in a bunch to be "helpful" and get in her space as much as possible.

She is looking at me like "What the heck is going on??".

I take her aside later in one of the isles and explained it... she yelled out something like "YOU JERK!!!" but then started laughing.
She then flirted with them relentlessly trying to get me upset...

It was a well remembered evening and I kept being asked for weeks if my "friend" was going to come out again or is there a way to get in touch with her... to game of course.

Good times.

In my area:

1. Veteran player makes demos to newcomers and beat them using overpowered minis. The veteran player never wants to lose a game, even in the demos. The newcomers do not learn the game because the veteran player always wants to win and is not explaining all the basics of the game.

The result: No new players.

2. Two players in FLGS playing Infinity, TFG comes in and starts interrupting the game. TFG thinks he is a game guru with the rules. Both Infinity players got pissed and never returned.

The result: No more Infinity players in that store

 Capt. Camping wrote:
In my area:
1. Veteran player makes demos to newcomers and beat them using overpowered minis. The veteran player never wants to lose a game, even in the demos. The newcomers do not learn the game because the veteran player always wants to win and is not explaining all the basics of the game.
The result: No new players.
2. Two players in FLGS playing Infinity, TFG comes in and starts interrupting the game. TFG thinks he is a game guru with the rules. Both Infinity players got pissed and never returned.
The result: No more Infinity players in that store

Um, that is where I would usually step-in and say I could arrange a more "relaxed" game and bring out my nice painted stuff and they can use them.
Then make some mention that his "Does not play nice with others" sign fell off.

Got to do damage control with those who like to abuse the "fresh meat"... gotta develop a relationship with a person before you are friend enough to abuse them!

I have a big problem with the extreme lack of fedora tipping in the gear grinding gamer girl anecdotes. This upsets me.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

Spoiler:

 Frozocrone wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
I have an opponent with a nasty penchant for using broken as hell formations and combos, such as bringing a Libby conclave and Invisibility ing a triple Vindicator squadron. He also loes to bring 30K units (primarily primarchs) in to 40K without any prior warning and has been known to hide them until mid game in transports.
He will then complain about other armies rules, such as GK out psyching him, DA airwing and IG Orders.

In fact some of my favourite complaints are:

"Guard orders are overpowered, they should be a once per game thing like chapter tactics" (this was after I FRFSRF 3 Veteran sections in a 'friendly' game where we had agreed not to use anything bigger than walkers and he had deployed a Primarch)

"Guard tanks are over powered, you need to bring less of them (I had 7 in a 2K game)"

"This game, lets each pick one unit which our opponent cant use" (Then justified this in that I could pick Librarians and stop his psychic spam. I politely declined)

"The Guard are not about the tanks, they are about the men on the front line"

"I think that two or three tanks is enough for a guard army"

There is also the club manager. He is a great guy but keeps making remarks about my Leman Russ - I use Bolt Action Churchills (my army is themed around the British East Lancashire units) and how they are "too small" (the fact that they are only slightly smaller than a LRBT is beside the point) and that I should "buy some proper tanks".
Oddly enough when I offered him the chance to purchase them for me he declined.....

Guard Tanks are obscenely overpowered, the GW staff took away my mates Relic Whirlwind Scorpius w/ Battle of Keylek for a Lemun Russ and claimed he had better fire power because it was a large blast not a small blast so he shouldn't be mad. My mate is seriously thinking about packing his models up if it happens again.

Wait, What?
A Gw employee took your friends model and made him use a different one?

Yes, this is how it went down.

For the day, there was a long table so lots of people could play each other and there was a Tau vs IoM overall campaign to coincide with Kauyon. My mate was paired with a DA Ravenwing spammer who is more regular than me or my friend (I have studying, he was visiting for the weekend). My mate had brought Battle of Keylek Scorpius as he really likes using it and truth be told, it would have destroyed the Ravenwing easily. The GW employee asked my friend to provide the rules for it and he had forgotten to print them off, which you could use to justify the swithch. However, I know, my mate knows and the GW employee knows that the IA books are kept in the back so it would have been easy to fetch the rules out. GW goes into the back, takes five minutes to look for book and comes out with the Lemun Russ for my friend to use. My mate was not impressed, his opponent was smug everytime he rolled a successful Jink.

It gets worse as the same employee flitted over to my table where I was using Zhadsnark, but didn't call me out on it. Also let my opponent charge when he had infiltrated (and on a previous day, made my tankbustas roll to hit against a building). So yeah. I guess you could say cringe-worthy staff I don't like pick up games at that store. Everyone in my gaming group knows me as the 'rules guru' and I'm right 99.9% of the time when it comes to RAW interpretations - so it often falls to me to 'make a ruling'. That's what I like about being a so called guru, it makes the game flow as opposed to disjointed 'no I'm right, no I'm right' mantra two people will have.

the_scotsman wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

Exalbaru wrote:
staring-I've seen a few of the guys like if a girl walks in pretty much creepily side stare them the entire time they are in the store, like it even makes me uncomfortable.

It's funny, because I've been on the receiving end of this so much! Best was after getting a job at the local GW store, and for the first half a year or so, just a constant barrage of, "Omg! you're a girl/there's a girl working here now?!"

Honestly I personally don't care unless the girl is pretty. It's less "A girl plays here!" and more "A girl plays here and SHE'S HOT!" I mean certain things in nerd culture are more heavily populated by guys (like Games Workshop) and judging by how anti-social and gut-less most of the guys are (myself included) the pretty girls get stares. Not to be mean but when girls often come to the Games Workshop in Michigan they're either escorted by their husbands or boyfriends rather than coming by themselves and generally only play or usually paint because their husband does it (maybe they're being supportive which is good on them). Also in many cases these girls tend to not be the best looking. Sometimes they have a chunk of hair missing from their scalp or some such. Oddly enough online there are a few pretty girl gamers in warhammer and that just blows my mind. They must be in the 0.1% (though one of the GW's in Michigan at one point had an attractive female employee that was good at painting or modeling the models).

You also gotta understand it's good to find somebody interested in the same things and it's not like these guys went out of their way to see you rather than played and you just came in. I won't say it doesn't suck trying to fit in and enjoy your hobby while getting stares but I don't understand that end. Being a guy the end I understand is trying to find a nerdy gamer girl that's halfway decent looking and having to fight off about 20 or more dudes to get chosen and usually I can manage to come close to the top ok but never get the girl. Of course this might be generalizing a bit much but most of the war-gamer girls on the internet are either taken (in a relationship) or gay (could explain why they like the more male heavy games).

At this point if a pretty girl gamer comes along I sigh more than anything. Mostly it's because they are all out of my league as most pretty girls are and it's just not worth the effort anymore. Also it will ruin the atmosphere as people act super nice to her, stare at her or are angrily dissuaded from hitting on her so that the guys in the store are more uneasy when she's around and the mood feels unnatural.

I'm sure i'll get flak for my comments on that but whatever. It's the truth and I've been told I'm not a liar (even when it might be better to hold my tongue).

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I'm also sorry for anybody that has to work at a GW store for many reasons. One being the hate GW receives and you have to deal with and the various moves GW makes. I used to not mind the idea of working at a GW even when they halved the imperial guardsmen boxes and increased the price when 5th edition imperial guard came and employees tried to reason it. It was more the dreaded AoS that came out this year and the death of fantasy. Not only justifying it as an employee and shouting down the customer but acting like it's the best thing since sliced bread. I'm sorry I can't be forced to like something so abysmal that hurt so many customers. It's a topic for another thread though.

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Far as my own experiences go there's a few kinds of people I don't like in the store. The super-competitive or snobby (to almost hipster levels) people that think themselves better or belittle you for your army or the supposed 'cool kids' nerds. The other thing is really annoying players like somebody that won't shut up. Body odor is also a problem and maybe my nose isn't that sensitive but I haven't experienced anything that bad so far.

Meanwhile, in Femland

"Where are you going, Kelly?"

"Thought I might nip down to my local game store for a nice good bit of getting stared at. I'm specifically wearing this formless T-shirt but it references something in nerd culture so I hope everyone else will take it as some kind of come-on."

"Ooh, is anyone there close to racking up enough NGP?"

"Yeah a few people have garnered significant Nice Guy Points but I think I'll just go find myself another jerk."

"Well have fun! Are you going to do anything else while you're there?"

"Of course not, what you think I'm going to the game store to pursue some kind of hobby? I'm a girl nerd, so obviously I perceive the entire world of nerd culture as a giant dating site."

/s

I never said I was a nice guy but hey a lot of people do things for people they find attractive. I've seen girls act nice to jerk guys and get treated like garbage too. That said the jerks could get away with it because they were good looking.

There's also a girl i used to know online that always said she wore a tank top to the GW as a way of 'demoralizing' the enemy and then complained about stares. I also said most girls i saw there (which is about one or two in ever) generally paint. Also said i don't even bother with it anymore.

Please though do skew this to make it so all nerdy girls get hit on regardless of looks or something. A crappy looking girl with a crappy personality and no notable skills just about anywhere gets nowhere (except tumblr maybe) while an attractive and nice woman does esp. if you has skills. But yeah let's separate this so all women have it bad and all men have it good (and all men should go on a guilt trip for their sins and flagellate themselves in the streets) in all first world nations which is laughable when compared to 3rd world nations where there's war, poverty and every other horrible thing you can imagine.

These days i just go for women in my league which sadly but truthfully isn't that high up. I also find trying to find a woman that at least has some common interests isn't bad though a game store is a bad place to look for one. Though hey i suppose i 'stare raped' a woman and should be sent to prison for it the way people are so PC these days.

So... that went askew quickly.

Then there's the opposite end of the "gamer girl" spectrum, and you end up with heinously awkward situations such as...


True story too!

Sorry I think i'll leave the thread so as to prevent an argument.

I have also noticed some people that are pretty nasty not just on the power gamer side but in one case where a guy said he didn't have much anti-vehicle with a 5th edition dark eldar army and the space marine player used a landraider and some other stuff with min. units.

I find it funny how I actually learned to build lists before a game, WYSIWYG (unless otherwise stated) and other such things. I won't lie I'm a sore loser and used to yell a bit when I lost too badly or too frequently and esp. with both. I still do this when I play video and computer games. It's a bad habit and I should stop it though.

@experiment 626: Well I did want to convert the chest cannon on the ratling cannon stormfiends so that the chest gun is a crotch gun. Nothing funnier than claiming you got kills with the dude's junk. The GW manager said he'd allow it as long as I didn't point it out. Some other more politically correct kid said he'd point it out at all times so I could never bring it. Some people just have no sense of humor and sadly the PC crowd tends to have most of them.

Experiment 626 wrote:

Spoiler:

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Then there's the opposite end of the "gamer girl" spectrum, and you end up with heinously awkward situations such as...
[spoiler]The short, less than appealing, hygienically challenged & highly inappropriate behavior type who brings their crystal dildo into the store thinking that the staff will find it a super hilarious joke...
...And Little Timmy's mother is standing maybe twelve feet away from all of this.

True story too!

Please tell more!
Storytime Dakka

This is why I've only brought my girlfriend to play warhammer at the club....once.

God it was terrible for her. And the girl I brought used to model at conventions and still felt the attention was weird.

Probably the worst thing I've seen is someone flip a table. A grown man, in this thirties, flip a table.

Gamers or at least War-gamers aren't the most socially acceptable crowd and are generally awkward people in general (myself included). I guess it just mostly includes that nerdy guy that got wedgies in school and brought a pocket protector.

@master of ordinance: I would like to hear some more stories as well. Oh and nice to see another skaven player. I was into it in fantasy but not now. Mordheim and the other computer games should help. Maybe I should get vermintide.

Haha we almost had this in store on calth release night... There's a pub near by and midnight launch... Very awkward and I think it would have been the guys running away from her over "friendliness"

I've got the feeling I might be grinding peoples gears sometimes. My daughter and I visit our gw and she usually does some painting and I'll just hang out. Now we have a good time and have felt welcome by the owner and generally supported by the locals, however I have the feeling of kids not being wanted some of the time... Maybe me being over reading things though.

Far as 'grinding my gears' I'd say it's the fact the GW manager and GW as a whole is really pushing this AoS thing so hard and in some cases is really unhappy about warhammer fantasy even being mentioned. I can understand they don't like to hear it too much but as a fan of years being booted out and having my favorite setting annihilated and re-made into a Frankenstein's monster really bothered me. Maybe it would've been better had fantasy died and nothing came out of it.

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With annoying gamers as I said before it's mostly the snobs, power-gamers and in one case a politically correct guy (though he's tolerable even if he kisses the manager's butt a little too much in my opinion and it is a family rated store).

I have found a group of guys there that are friendly and often enjoy humor. I make a few of em laugh from time to time and they tend to be more in it for painting or fun though one of em does tend to take lists that win most of the time.

LucidNinja wrote:
Haha we almost had this in store on calth release night... There's a pub near by and midnight launch... Very awkward and I think it would have been the guys running away from her over "friendliness"

I've got the feeling I might be grinding peoples gears sometimes. My daughter and I visit our gw and she usually does some painting and I'll just hang out. Now we have a good time and have felt welcome by the owner and generally supported by the locals, however I have the feeling of kids not being wanted some of the time... Maybe me being over reading things though.

I actually feel the same way sometimes, it seems some of the older players (I am 19, so most players are older than me ) don't really like younger players. It's just bad for the community, since sooner or later, those same players won't be playing, and no newcomers will've gotten into the game.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:


@master of ordinance: I would like to hear some more stories as well. Oh and nice to see another skaven player. I was into it in fantasy but not now. Mordheim and the other computer games should help. Maybe I should get vermintide.

Yay, a fellow Skaven player
I still run my Skaven, either in 8th/9th ed battles when I can get them or (more frequently) in Mordhiem

Well that escalated quickly.

Anyone, if you ever find yourself wondering why there are about .0001% females in your hobby, the reason why may have something to do with the fact that they are treated as an abnormality rather than just another person playing the game.

And the existence of people who feed off that attention in an unhealthy way might actually be seen as proof rather than disproof of the existence of that overall trend.



And that is, by far, the cringiest thing I've seen in this hobby. I'd take all the list tailoring cheese mongering unpainted FOTM-playing jerks in the world over that one guy who goes full on creep mode every time a representative of 50% of the human population enters his LOS.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:


@master of ordinance: I would like to hear some more stories as well. Oh and nice to see another skaven player. I was into it in fantasy but not now. Mordheim and the other computer games should help. Maybe I should get vermintide.

Yay, a fellow Skaven player
I still run my Skaven, either in 8th/9th ed battles when I can get them or (more frequently) in Mordhiem

The game is dead for me and I should probably sell my skaven but I love those little guys. Pinky and the Brain but more evil and dark. I'm just sad my dreams of jetpack skaven will never come to pass. I would've easily bought several boxes. Maybe AoS will make em but I dunno. I've heard about fan-made 9th but I dunno. I heard facebook skaven players saying it was very anti-skaven. Anyway we should continue this through pm's so as not to go off-topic.

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@the_scotsman: Maybe girls just don't like playing war-games for the most part (excepting a few of course). Some hobbies tend to have more girls. Maybe overall some find different things interesting (like painting maybe). Take a psychology class and you'll understand the male to female ratio is much different. I noticed it was like 3 girls to each guy in those classes. That said people are free to like what they like. I mean I could be wrong but I think girls in general are better at art. I tend not to understand why there's anything wrong with any of the outcomes as long as nobody's forcing somebody to like something they don't like.

Actually, one of my first games was against a guy who's spawned the longest running (10+ years now) running joke in my little high school friend group when we play 40k. He was "Mr. Micromeasurement".

My second game my buddy and I combined our IG and ork armies for a 1500 point game against this dude's Grey Knights.

After explaining that his friends usually house rule it so the GK always get the rules they get vs Daemons vs everyone (because it's so stupid they pay points for it and don't get it against some armies) we then proceed to play a game in which every 10 seconds we are stopped so he could measure our moves, or squad coherency, or 1" from an enemy model. He'd do this thing where we'd move a model 6", he'd stop us, grab the model, move it back 8" or so, then move it forward 6" and go "Nooo, they only move 6!!" In this kind of weird mono-tone bellow.

It culminated in a charge in which my orks got out of their Trukk, just outside a building, and charge his GK maybe 3" away.

He picked it up, and actually put it INSIDE the building-lifting the roof off and everything-and then re measured and they were 8" or so out.

Then he pounds the table and yells "BASE. TO BASE. CONTAAACT".

We still shout that at least once a game every time I end up getting together with those guys. Honestly probably my favorite 40k nostalgia memory, it was just so nonsensical how worked up he got over it, especially when he lost maybe 2 models the whole game.

 master of ordinance wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:


@master of ordinance: I would like to hear some more stories as well. Oh and nice to see another skaven player. I was into it in fantasy but not now. Mordheim and the other computer games should help. Maybe I should get vermintide.

Yay, a fellow Skaven player
I still run my Skaven, either in 8th/9th ed battles when I can get them or (more frequently) in Mordhiem

You both disgust me on a fundamental level

You know I am fairly glad that my area actually has a few girls in the groups I frequent. It always sucks to be the only girl, especially when it's a college group full of guys who cant handle rejection well xD off the top of my head there are five girls that play, with three playing tyranids. Seriously what is up with girls and their special flyrant friends??

the_scotsman wrote:
Actually, one of my first games was against a guy who's spawned the longest running (10+ years now) running joke in my little high school friend group when we play 40k. He was "Mr. Micromeasurement".

My second game my buddy and I combined our IG and ork armies for a 1500 point game against this dude's Grey Knights.

After explaining that his friends usually house rule it so the GK always get the rules they get vs Daemons vs everyone (because it's so stupid they pay points for it and don't get it against some armies) we then proceed to play a game in which every 10 seconds we are stopped so he could measure our moves, or squad coherency, or 1" from an enemy model. He'd do this thing where we'd move a model 6", he'd stop us, grab the model, move it back 8" or so, then move it forward 6" and go "Nooo, they only move 6!!" In this kind of weird mono-tone bellow.

It culminated in a charge in which my orks got out of their Trukk, just outside a building, and charge his GK maybe 3" away.

He picked it up, and actually put it INSIDE the building-lifting the roof off and everything-and then re measured and they were 8" or so out.

Then he pounds the table and yells "BASE. TO BASE. CONTAAACT".

We still shout that at least once a game every time I end up getting together with those guys. Honestly probably my favorite 40k nostalgia memory, it was just so nonsensical how worked up he got over it, especially when he lost maybe 2 models the whole game.

When I can help it I just move slightly less than the max distance. It's cheating to go over but not under. As far as fleeing goes I just do it the opposite way. I can't be bothered to do infinitesimal measurements all day to annoy people.

Also holy crap if I played that guy I'd get some observers that way when I beat his army he can just go pout in a corner. Ever notice the selfish people that cheat the most complain about being cheated the most?

@Akiasura: You're joking right? I just didn't like AoS. If you had thousands of points and played for years I'd say you'd understand if it was thrown out the window and GW flipped you off with both hands. If you mean skaven on the other hand then you can just deal with it. Wood elves were infinitely worse when they got their last 8th army book. At least they had an army book made for the edition they were in. Skaven had an 8 page FAQ.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Actually, one of my first games was against a guy who's spawned the longest running (10+ years now) running joke in my little high school friend group when we play 40k. He was "Mr. Micromeasurement".

My second game my buddy and I combined our IG and ork armies for a 1500 point game against this dude's Grey Knights.

After explaining that his friends usually house rule it so the GK always get the rules they get vs Daemons vs everyone (because it's so stupid they pay points for it and don't get it against some armies) we then proceed to play a game in which every 10 seconds we are stopped so he could measure our moves, or squad coherency, or 1" from an enemy model. He'd do this thing where we'd move a model 6", he'd stop us, grab the model, move it back 8" or so, then move it forward 6" and go "Nooo, they only move 6!!" In this kind of weird mono-tone bellow.

It culminated in a charge in which my orks got out of their Trukk, just outside a building, and charge his GK maybe 3" away.

He picked it up, and actually put it INSIDE the building-lifting the roof off and everything-and then re measured and they were 8" or so out.

Then he pounds the table and yells "BASE. TO BASE. CONTAAACT".

We still shout that at least once a game every time I end up getting together with those guys. Honestly probably my favorite 40k nostalgia memory, it was just so nonsensical how worked up he got over it, especially when he lost maybe 2 models the whole game.

When I can help it I just move slightly less than the max distance. It's cheating to go over but not under. As far as fleeing goes I just do it the opposite way. I can't be bothered to do infinitesimal measurements all day to annoy people.

Also holy crap if I played that guy I'd get some observers that way when I beat his army he can just go pout in a corner. Ever notice the selfish people that cheat the most complain about being cheated the most?

@Akiasura: You're joking right? I just didn't like AoS. If you had thousands of points and played for years I'd say you'd understand if it was thrown out the window and GW flipped you off with both hands. If you mean skaven on the other hand then you can just deal with it. Wood elves were infinitely worse when they got their last 8th army book. At least they had an army book made for the edition they were in. Skaven had an 8 page FAQ.

Nah I'm just messing with you
I play Ogres, dwarves, Lizzies, and druchii. Our best player uses Wood elves, though we used to have a pretty high elf/empire centric meta.

I always loved skaven. Loved because I'm obsessed with steampunk but find the empire to look...moronic tbh. I wanted to play skaven but I'm a horrible hobbyist and the model count is way too high.
I play them in mordenheim currently. Chitter Chitter Squeak is my favorite warband ever.

I haven't played fantasy in a while. Ogres are my main army and the magic phase in fantasy has made them unplayable against VC, Elves, and daemons. Purple sun is absurd.

Super rules lawyer people drive me nuts. I get wanting to get rules straight, but arguing tiny details in a friendly league game drives me nuts. Also I realize our hobby has socially inept people in it. But it still drives me nuts when you get someone who will start talking some nonsense (or at least something that only makes sense to them) but then continues to dog you across the shop trying to convince you to see it their way. I am perfectly willing to let a subject drop, but it get's old when all you can say it "uhuh" "yep" "nope" "I dunno man, I don't think so". The last one for me was a guy claiming that "Gamesworkshop is going to be put out of business by Mantic."

 master of ordinance wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

Spoiler:

[

Then there's the opposite end of the "gamer girl" spectrum, and you end up with heinously awkward situations such as...
[spoiler]The short, less than appealing, hygienically challenged & highly inappropriate behavior type who brings their crystal dildo into the store thinking that the staff will find it a super hilarious joke...
...And Little Timmy's mother is standing maybe twelve feet away from all of this.

True story too!

Please tell more!
Storytime Dakka

As funny as it was well after the fact, we all learned to cower in fear when this individual would come to the store and hang out... On a good day they'd do something horrible enough to warrant a polite, "you can't be here anymore, because... 'reason'." from the manager. (like, trying to illegally pirate a nearby store's internet signal to show us homemade Starscream AMV's)
On a bad day, you'd have to put up with rank BO, (thank-you years of competitive hockey filled with teams of unwashed equipment for granting me immunity!), pig honking noises, endless Starscream stories, and generally feel like you needed to hide in a shower for the next two days to feel clean again.

The absolute worst days were the store auction days, and I'd absolutely pity the poor sod who got stuck next to her all day, having to deal with massively unnerving constant flirtations and generally leave one in the position that the other 50% of the human where now a source of nightmarish pain & suffering.


The only other really, really awful example of female gamers being naughty, was one of the last years I attended the old Toronto GT's.
This individual was shall we say, rather 'hefty'. And wore a very tight sleeveless top, with no 'support' underneath... They'd then proceed to lean across the table, and guys were constantly torn between awkwardness and yet, wanting to catch a souvenir due to the constant threat of 'falling out across the table'.

Gives new meaning to the age old "Jugger Lord" however!

Experiment 626 wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

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Then there's the opposite end of the "gamer girl" spectrum, and you end up with heinously awkward situations such as...
[spoiler]The short, less than appealing, hygienically challenged & highly inappropriate behavior type who brings their crystal dildo into the store thinking that the staff will find it a super hilarious joke...
...And Little Timmy's mother is standing maybe twelve feet away from all of this.

True story too!

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Storytime Dakka

As funny as it was well after the fact, we all learned to cower in fear when this individual would come to the store and hang out... On a good day they'd do something horrible enough to warrant a polite, "you can't be here anymore, because... 'reason'." from the manager. (like, trying to illegally pirate a nearby store's internet signal to show us homemade Starscream AMV's)
On a bad day, you'd have to put up with rank BO, (thank-you years of competitive hockey filled with teams of unwashed equipment for granting me immunity!), pig honking noises, endless Starscream stories, and generally feel like you needed to hide in a shower for the next two days to feel clean again.

The absolute worst days were the store auction days, and I'd absolutely pity the poor sod who got stuck next to her all day, having to deal with massively unnerving constant flirtations and generally leave one in the position that the other 50% of the human where now a source of nightmarish pain & suffering.


The only other really, really awful example of female gamers being naughty, was one of the last years I attended the old Toronto GT's.
This individual was shall we say, rather 'hefty'. And wore a very tight sleeveless top, with no 'support' underneath... They'd then proceed to lean across the table, and guys were constantly torn between awkwardness and yet, wanting to catch a souvenir due to the constant threat of 'falling out across the table'.

Gives new meaning to the age old "Jugger Lord" however!

I don't know whether to be creeped out or amused by this.

Experiment 626 wrote:

The only other really, really awful example of female gamers being naughty, was one of the last years I attended the old Toronto GT's.
This individual was shall we say, rather 'hefty'. And wore a very tight sleeveless top, with no 'support' underneath... They'd then proceed to lean across the table, and guys were constantly torn between awkwardness and yet, wanting to catch a souvenir due to the constant threat of 'falling out across the table'.

Gives new meaning to the age old "Jugger Lord" however!

Lol Exalted! It must have been something like this:

Anyway, I have a couple of incidents that really irked me at the time:
One night, I was playing a 1k points game of 40k with a relative newbie (I had Khorne Daemonkin, he had Dark Angels). The game is not what's important here, though. While we were playing, some old dude knocked my army bag down, spilling my minis everywhere. An honest mistake, but I was irritated. What really got me was that the stupid old fart just kept walking as though nothing had happened. No apology, no nothing. I was ready to go get up in his face, but my Christian nature won out and I just let him go. Still bugs me that people are that careless.

The other thing was much more recent. I was playing a game with a friend of mine at my FLGS, and someone else had brought a kid with severe autism or something into the store and just let him do whatever. The kid picked up my friend's Maelstrom cards and just scattered them everywhere, then put one of my friend's dice in his mouth. Fortunately at that point the kid's dad intervened and apologized. The kid's actions don't bother me really (Autism is a terrible thing for a child to have to deal with, and I feel sorry for any kid with that condition), what bugs me about this incident is that the dad just let the kid run loose knowing full well of his disability. A game store is not a good place for an autistic child to run loose. He could have damaged something expensive or hurt himself without ever realizing it. That's bad parenting right there.

@experiment 626: I guess you could say she was 'top heavy'.

Btw when that girl mentioned she wore a tank top (the girl I knew) considering it was an imperial guard forum she posted on I'd like to imagine she had a tank turret on her chest. Apparently the tank top in question is strength D ;P. I mean how else could they be held up?

 master of ordinance wrote:
I have an opponent with a nasty penchant for using broken as hell formations and combos, such as bringing a Libby conclave and Invisibility ing a triple Vindicator squadron. He also loes to bring 30K units (primarily primarchs) in to 40K without any prior warning and has been known to hide them until mid game in transports.
He will then complain about other armies rules, such as GK out psyching him, DA airwing and IG Orders.

In fact some of my favourite complaints are:

"Guard orders are overpowered, they should be a once per game thing like chapter tactics" (this was after I FRFSRF 3 Veteran sections in a 'friendly' game where we had agreed not to use anything bigger than walkers and he had deployed a Primarch)

"Guard tanks are over powered, you need to bring less of them (I had 7 in a 2K game)"

"This game, lets each pick one unit which our opponent cant use" (Then justified this in that I could pick Librarians and stop his psychic spam. I politely declined)

"The Guard are not about the tanks, they are about the men on the front line"

"I think that two or three tanks is enough for a guard army"

There is also the club manager. He is a great guy but keeps making remarks about my Leman Russ - I use Bolt Action Churchills (my army is themed around the British East Lancashire units) and how they are "too small" (the fact that they are only slightly smaller than a LRBT is beside the point) and that I should "buy some proper tanks".
Oddly enough when I offered him the chance to purchase them for me he declined.....

Ask him to provide historical evidence of the East Lancs ever using Leman Russ and Chimeras to crush the third reich!

We've got one guy who has a habit of moving your models when he's not playing but stands at the sideline as a spectator. I don't play as often as I'd love to myself, but having to hear this guy call me out on having models a bit outside of the deployment zone or putting models at the best possible position for you is rather annoying. He did the same during a more casual event where you'd bring a veteran, fight against hordes of zombies using Age of Sigmar like rules, so less thinking, more chucking dice and blasting away at zombies. He even went as far as moving my model quite a few times because "that's what was best for us all"

Ouch man, ouch.

God damn it, nerds. Next time you feel entitled to hit on girls just for being in a hobby shop I'm going to aggressively come on to you until you have a break down.

I've surprisingly only had one instance of this during a game. Namely when someone brought in a flyer during 4th edition (like, years ago, not a flyer with 4th edition rules) and I didn't realize I couldn't shoot at it because of the massive penalties to shooting.

However he was a good friend and not only gave me warning, but also profusely apologized to me once we both realized how thoroughly fraked I was.

All my other grievances tends to come up on online discussions, namely with rule discussions or people who build overpowered lists and then starts raging at other people with actual sensible lists.

(I once did see someone with a 5-Wraithknight list complain about someone using a C'tan Shard. Apparently an undercosted LOW spam is ok but the moment you get a star-god in then it's a no-no).

quick share about the stuff that happened on my FLGS, TBH Warhammer isnt as big as in Europe,or in America.The player in my FLGS is able to be counted with hand as that proof how small it is.

So far no BO related case here.

1. My old Store manager here in the FLGS,he always always took up half the store for his painting,eventhough he could move his paint station and paint on the other table,he won't eventhough we're going to use the table for our 1500 pts. we only have 1 table at that time and the dude just wont move his ass. whenever anyone come into the store and asks "what's warhammer?" the store manager just said "just google it !" , he did the same thing whenever people ask the price of the box or when I ask the price of some boxsets via Whatsapp.

2. The Racist Zealot Bigot. This dude really bugs me alot.
at first we quarel about the supposed leaked of Rules of War for Age of Sigmar,he said that GeeDub "leaked" this rule to balance the game,for all I know this ruleset is home made and not made officially.So I counter his arguement saying "if it's leaked then why isn't it available ? or GW saying that new rulesets are coming? and why the rumor sites don't confirm this?" Also I put up another arguement, "If Marvel or DC have their footage leaked,will they stop releasing the movie?" at this point I think he raged and said over in the FLGS whatsapp group saying "Ok I think im out of this r*y pork style of talking,good luck continuing discussion. (r*y is another flgs manager,not the same as this store for obvious reason I bleeped his name) . Here comes the racist part. since I'm christian and I'm of Chinese ethnicity eating pork is definitely on my diet.A few weeks ago,me and my mates want to grab some grubs for lunch,that was after we finished a game of AoS.He came into the store and just wander around looking at the army etc.Then when he heard that me and the guys are going for lunch,he said : "Why do you need to eat? you got nutrition from the worms inside the pork you consume." wtf dude wtf indeed. His facebook profile is filled with conspiracy theories and Jews etc like that,total Idget.

3, The guy who never buys
So I want to sell my Sigmar side of AoS starter set,so I post it up and suprise suprise it's the guy who never buys who's interested, so I dub him the guy who never buys because this incident happened alot.
So I said it's still mint all model included + base, so he said to bring it to the store,so we agreed on the date and time.
on D-day he said he can't come to the store so he WONT buy the models, awesome logic bro. So I said when will you be able then? he said he will inform me.
Yeah,he never buys.

4. The crazy japanese canadian dude

He's really into his space wolves,he even kit bashed some Chaos Space Marine bits to his space wolves model,To me personally I don't mind as long as its WYSIWYG, but during a 500pts game vs me,he brings a Land Raider,A fething LAND RAIDER!

5.Weird White clothing dude

another weird one,he's the dude who comes to the store,never plays and ask weird things to people in the store,he wears white ALWAYS white,his pants,his shirt,his shoes! this is weird at time,especially if you're in game,focusing alot and he asks weird questions all the time.

 BrookM wrote:
We've got one guy who has a habit of moving your models when he's not playing but stands at the sideline as a spectator. I don't play as often as I'd love to myself, but having to hear this guy call me out on having models a bit outside of the deployment zone or putting models at the best possible position for you is rather annoying. He did the same during a more casual event where you'd bring a veteran, fight against hordes of zombies using Age of Sigmar like rules, so less thinking, more chucking dice and blasting away at zombies. He even went as far as moving my model quite a few times because "that's what was best for us all"

Ouch man, ouch.

Okay this right here. THIS RIGHT HERE . That's just .. NO. If you want to look at my model that's fine but you ASK. I don't care who you think you are or what you've done, if you come bebopping up to the table and out of nowhere start moving my models, I'm stopping right there and you and me are having words. Thats just URGH, seriously gets me heated. Whats even worse is that this guy isn't just picking the model up to look at it but moving in them under the pretext of "no no no, you want it here" He'd get his hand swatted like naughty toddler. Zero tolerance for these no boundaries jokers. Who even does this, I mean what gets in their head to make them think that this is okay?

If he tried to do that in the store I go to he'd probably get shot.

Yeah, that guy moving them for you under the pretense of "It's what's best for you" is really uncool.

I'd definitely sternly tell him to stop doing it, then chew him out over it, then keep around sharp objects (like Chaos bits) and stab him with them every time he reaches for my models.

 morganfreeman wrote:
Yeah, that guy moving them for you under the pretense of "It's what's best for you" is really uncool.

I'd definitely sternly tell him to stop doing it, then chew him out over it, then keep around sharp objects (like Chaos bits) and stab him with them every time he reaches for my models.

This is probably why the Dreadsock was invented...

Once had a friend putting his army back in the case after 2 turns, calling me a cheat...

Story is that back with CSm 3.5 dex, Deamons could still assault the turn they DSed, even thouhg the rule was clear on it, he din't believe me.

i show him the codex and he take some minutes to read it, then he begins packing his stuff...

i was kinda surprised, but hey.

What grinds my gear is the guy that is persuaded that everything is against him.

The kind of the guy that if by chance or simply by tactics you destroy one of his units, even though he ran the Mathammer and i shouldn't have destroyed, he will rant for hours...

The dude had the nerve to play a "Friendly and fluffy" Eldar list...

i'm okay no probs,...friendly list my arse, Spirit seer or something on bike, with 3x10 Scatter bikes, 3 fire prisme, 6 of those FW Hornet skimmers and some other stuffs...

He calls out on me because i bring on purpose stuff he cannot harm like my Soulgrinder and my LR..., and i'm like " dude...you got 3 Fireprisme, what the hell are you talking about?"

He's the kind of dude that for some reason, even thouhg he doesn't accept that his Mathammer is wrong, once one of my units comes into contact with his units in CC, he directly take the models of the table and says " okay you win this combat".

Even if it saves time, its still annoying, you're here to play right?

The same dude played White scars back in 6th.

I Run full World Eaters like list, the guy has bike squads of 5 bikes, he comes at me really close after scouting, like right under the nose of my units.

My Zerkers/CSM are always in squads of 8/10, he is then surprised that his 5 bolter shots + plasma/grav din't annihilate my unit, i'm like "dude, i have more models then you have weapons, what did you expect?"

Also he rants that since Zerkers are fearless they don't run away.

I then assault him in my first turn, since his bikes are like 4" away, you can say what you want about zerkers, but 4A Str5 per models, is still nice.

He then rants that my Zerkers destroyed his bikes..." dude i have has much attacks per guy then you have models in your unit".

And top of the cake, for him KDK is amonsgt the top 4 of OP armies of the game, along side Crons, Eldars, Taus..., i was like "dafukk dude?"

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Once had a friend putting his army back in the case after 2 turns, calling me a cheat...

Story is that back with CSm 3.5 dex, Deamons could still assault the turn they DSed, even thouhg the rule was clear on it, he din't believe me.

i show him the codex and he take some minutes to read it, then he begins packing his stuff...

i was kinda surprised, but hey.

What grinds my gear is the guy that is persuaded that everything is against him.

The kind of the guy that if by chance or simply by tactics you destroy one of his units, even though he ran the Mathammer and i shouldn't have destroyed, he will rant for hours...

The dude had the nerve to play a "Friendly and fluffy" Eldar list...

i'm okay no probs,...friendly list my arse, Spirit seer or something on bike, with 3x10 Scatter bikes, 3 fire prisme, 6 of those FW Hornet skimmers and some other stuffs...

He calls out on me because i bring on purpose stuff he cannot harm like my Soulgrinder and my LR..., and i'm like " dude...you got 3 Fireprisme, what the hell are you talking about?"

He's the kind of dude that for some reason, even thouhg he doesn't accept that his Mathammer is wrong, once one of my units comes into contact with his units in CC, he directly take the models of the table and says " okay you win this combat".

Even if it saves time, its still annoying, you're here to play right?

The same dude played White scars back in 6th.

I Run full World Eaters like list, the guy has bike squads of 5 bikes, he comes at me really close after scouting, like right under the nose of my units.

My Zerkers/CSM are always in squads of 8/10, he is then surprised that his 5 bolter shots + plasma/grav din't annihilate my unit, i'm like "dude, i have more models then you have weapons, what did you expect?"

Also he rants that since Zerkers are fearless they don't run away.

I then assault him in my first turn, since his bikes are like 4" away, you can say what you want about zerkers, but 4A Str5 per models, is still nice.

He then rants that my Zerkers destroyed his bikes..." dude i have has much attacks per guy then you have models in your unit".

And top of the cake, for him KDK is amonsgt the top 4 of OP armies of the game, along side Crons, Eldars, Taus..., i was like "dafukk dude?"

Thank god I don't have this type of dude in my group, that type of behaviour is so annoying,if he wants to take out models instantly then why bother playing at all?

The big think that bugs me is all the rules miss interpreting. How 4 grow men Can all understand a rule different. biggest one for my is quad skyfire, interceptor.

newguy1984 wrote:
The big think that bugs me is all the rules miss interpreting. How 4 grow men Can all understand a rule different. biggest one for my is quad skyfire, interceptor.

true true,the most different rule interpertation is Gargantuan creature with each weapon and all weapon shooting

 Pertruabo wrote:

Spoiler:

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Once had a friend putting his army back in the case after 2 turns, calling me a cheat...

Story is that back with CSm 3.5 dex, Deamons could still assault the turn they DSed, even thouhg the rule was clear on it, he din't believe me.

i show him the codex and he take some minutes to read it, then he begins packing his stuff...

i was kinda surprised, but hey.

What grinds my gear is the guy that is persuaded that everything is against him.

The kind of the guy that if by chance or simply by tactics you destroy one of his units, even though he ran the Mathammer and i shouldn't have destroyed, he will rant for hours...

The dude had the nerve to play a "Friendly and fluffy" Eldar list...

i'm okay no probs,...friendly list my arse, Spirit seer or something on bike, with 3x10 Scatter bikes, 3 fire prisme, 6 of those FW Hornet skimmers and some other stuffs...

He calls out on me because i bring on purpose stuff he cannot harm like my Soulgrinder and my LR..., and i'm like " dude...you got 3 Fireprisme, what the hell are you talking about?"

He's the kind of dude that for some reason, even thouhg he doesn't accept that his Mathammer is wrong, once one of my units comes into contact with his units in CC, he directly take the models of the table and says " okay you win this combat".

Even if it saves time, its still annoying, you're here to play right?

The same dude played White scars back in 6th.

I Run full World Eaters like list, the guy has bike squads of 5 bikes, he comes at me really close after scouting, like right under the nose of my units.

My Zerkers/CSM are always in squads of 8/10, he is then surprised that his 5 bolter shots + plasma/grav din't annihilate my unit, i'm like "dude, i have more models then you have weapons, what did you expect?"

Also he rants that since Zerkers are fearless they don't run away.

I then assault him in my first turn, since his bikes are like 4" away, you can say what you want about zerkers, but 4A Str5 per models, is still nice.

He then rants that my Zerkers destroyed his bikes..." dude i have has much attacks per guy then you have models in your unit".

And top of the cake, for him KDK is amonsgt the top 4 of OP armies of the game, along side Crons, Eldars, Taus..., i was like "dafukk dude?"

Thank god I don't have this type of dude in my group, that type of behaviour is so annoying,if he wants to take out models instantly then why bother playing at all?

He's a nice block to hang around, but a real pain in the arse as a player, even when we play X-wing, he will rant because i manage to hit his vessel 2 times on my 3 shots, and evade 2 of his shots, like i was responsible, i wish i could, but thats the dices dude.

Now i must admit that i must also grind some gears, i laugh and speak really loudly, like you can hear me laugh from the other side of the neighboor when i'm having a LMAO.

And even thouhg i try to be objective about things, i rant alot about CSM, nothing really original i guess...

newguy1984 wrote:
The big think that bugs me is all the rules miss interpreting. How 4 grow men Can all understand a rule different. biggest one for my is quad skyfire, interceptor.

People misinterept things all the time, despite it being laid out for them.

Vaccines, gmo, gluten allergies, mental illnesses are wildly misconstrued by the public. Occasionally even people with a more educated background make mistakes in regards to these things. Gw doing a horrid job writing the rules really doesn't help, though I've seen it crop up in dnd before and other RPGs quite often.

When I first started this game, at a demo game with a friend, I was told marines hit eldar scorpions on a 3+ because they are marines. I was confused, I knew they had stats but didn't know what they meant yet, but went along with it. Imagine my surprise when I got the rule book later. That guy is impossible to play with since he never reads the rules.

Flipping a table is probably the worst thing I've ever seen done. People who freak out over a die roll just baffle me.


One of my local shops has the worse pg for wmh I've ever seen. The guy blatantly cheats in games against new players because he can't beat veterans. I was turned off the game for years when he did it to me and said "page 5 dude". He played Cygnar, and it really made me hate the faction for a long time. Playing cryx didn't help.
Stomping him later felt great . It's rare that a new player beats a vet, and Cygnar is very good against cryx.

What really grinds my gears is the elitist mentality that seems to come from so many Loyalist Marine players, mainly towards Chaos players.

Happens all the time too...

Chaos Daemons become an entire army of Deep Striking, Eternal Warriors? OP as hell apparently. Fateweaver allowing re-rolls of saves? OP.
Grey Knights come out and can actively prevent Daemons from even legally deploying? Perfectly balanced/fluffy, and Daemon players just need to "L2P!lolz" GK's get every possible imaginable bonus vs. Daemons, to the point that games are near pointless? Imperial players call it fluffy.

Daemons then get a new codex that can go toe-to-toe with Imperials, including GK's? That's not fair. We get to have a dominating Psychic phase? 40k is now broken and unfixable.
Clown Car becomes a noob slayer list? Summoning should be removed from the game entirely.
Daemons can sink 800+pts of resources to abuse a re-rollable 2++ mechanic? Ban the Grimoire!


Don't even get started on how bad it is with Chaos Marines...

Ever since I started playing 40k at the start of the 3rd edition re-boot, Chaos Marines have had exactly 1 good codex. Every other book has been either complete trash, (3rd ed + 4th ed), or else in the case of the 6th ed book, was completely hamstrung by GW refusing to update our abysmally out of date model line.

And yet, Loyalists then get all of our rules perks in the form of Chapter Traits, alongside 'oodles of new toys - many of which Chaos should have as well.

Instead, we get to be nothing but Marines -10, and then the one definitively broken unit we do get, (Hellturkey), gets railed upon as the single worst thing to ever hit 40k tables.


I guess I'm just fed up with the perceived bias that Chaos players must always lose 100% of the time vs. Imperials, because "we're the bad guys" reasoning that Loyalist players constantly spew...
But then the few times we do get some really cool toys & options of our own, such as the current Daemons codex, we're blasted as being the worst things to ever happen to 40k.

I once had an opponent rage quit on me during a charity tournament on the first turn. Me and a few people still joke about it.

I had come from an overnight shift at work, was a bit tired, but I was excited to play new people. Working nights has cut into my 40k time, and I almost never see the people who play in north Vancouver.

My first game was a draw, and I loudly declare to all of the tables around me that I am going for a three draw streak or bust.

I was playing a Draigo Centurion Star (would be my fourth, fifth, and sixth games with it, all of it barely painted up) he was playing Nids with a pair of flyrants, two large hordes of gaunts with spawner MCs, a unit of gargoyles, a pair of venomthropes (separate) and a you it of zoanthropes with a neurothrope

We were playing maelstrom primary with the relic as secondary, hammer and anvil deployment. There was a fortress of redemption in his deployment zone, I had a sky shield. Other than that, there was a few rocks scattered around, not ,I have terrain since the limited amount had to be spread over about twenty tables.

before the Game even began he wandered off to talk to someone on another table. After he came back, we set up, rolled deployment, which I won. I set up in such a way so that one of the Dreadknights could grab the relic, the cents were in a middlish position, etc. The more important part was warlord traits - he rolled on the tyranid table, got a 3. Then he rerolled, got a one, and complained that there was no jungles on the table and that he got a worthless trait.

I decide to allow him to reroll again - he gets a one again. I shrug my shoulders and say 'that sucks'. It is a tournament, and I already gave an extra reroll, especially since he rolled away from something else to begin with.

Movement happens fine. He checks a few of my moves, but I shrug it off. I announce the Dreadknight is picking up the relic, draw the slay the warlord card, etc.

Psychic phase goes off fine. He realizes he didn't roll his psychic powers, and we have to take a break to do those.

Shooting phase rolls around. My first Dreadknight opens up, and this is where it starts going downhill.

I place the flamer template to maximize the amount of zoanthropes I hit. I happen to pick up a few gaunts and the exocrine.

By some lucky coincidence, I have the exact number of dice in my hand for the number of gaunts I hit, and roll them.

'So, the gaunts are the ones you are hitting? You rolled for them first, and because of target priority they are your target.'

I arch my eyebrow at him, and state that no, the zoanthropes are my primary target. I suppose in this instance it is partially my fault for not clearly stating the zoanthropes are what I plan on shooting at. But, He relents after only a few seconds, and we continue with the rest of the shooting phase,

It all falls apart when my plucky sniper scouts have range on a venomthrope. I manage to put a pair wounds on it, and he saves one with a four and the other fails with a two.

He then realizes we didn't roll for night fighting.

He then declares that, since neither of us brought up night fighting, it is automatically in effect. I reply that is not how it works, but he can have it on a 4+.

He refuses, restates what he said as fact, and takes the wound counter off the venomthrope. I decide to check the rule book. It clearly states there that if you want night fighting, you must declare that you want it before the game has begun.

He then calls a judge over. Who looks at the rule book and confirms that yes, I am right.

He is clearly unhappy st this point, and I admit I was a little miffed at this point as well for calling a judge over something the rule book is clear on.

He then declares that the one and only zoanthrope I managed to kill was now alive again, because of my previous error with 'target priority'.

I reply that 1: we've moved past that and 2: both Dreadknights shot it, do you Remember which one actually killed it?

From there, he states that my entire shooting should be invalid because i screwed up.

Needless to say this devolved into arguing. I'm not proud of arguing with him at that moment, but I wasn't going to let this guy push me around either.

Finally. He picks his models up off the table, declaring that I was a cheater (loudly) and yells that he was only at the tournament to have fun, and I was just there to be a douchebag.

I comment that I wasn't cheating, and that I was right about the night fighting rule (my smart ass side got a hold of me). He then says that if I don't shut up, he will break my models.

I look at the TO/judge in disbelief, and he just shakes his head.

we end up having separate private chats with two judges (the same ones) and I get awarded a one point victory for line breaker, for the strikes that deep striked in behind to Incineratpr some gaunts.

This was after he told the judges that I hadn't picked up the relic, and that I shouldn't be awarded the win at all. I won by a tertiary objective as the final ruling. At the time I didn't care, since I was tired and embarrassed and just wanted the situation to be over with.

And no, they didn't kick the guy out, didn't say anything to him - just let him play the third round against some other luckless guy, I guess.

It's not all bad, after it came up to my next opponent, he bought me some rum and pretty much everyone who has heard the story agrees this guy was a toolbag. (Could just be saying that because I was there...)

At the next tournament, he was there again, I scored more battle points and sportsmanship than him, so it's something, I suppose...

 Crazyterran wrote:
He then says that if I don't shut up, he will break my models.

If someone threatened to break my models, I might very well tell them that if they do I will push their face in. There is no excuse to threaten to destroy someone's property just because you had a disagreement in a fething game. That dumbass should have been banned from playing in local tournaments for a while.

Target priority?...isn't this a rule from 3rd edition?

Thats the point of a template, everything thats under it, gets hit by it...

Terran, that is hilarious. I've had people quit Turn 2-3 but I've never quite heard a sorry like that

I am a WAAC play but I use a weak codex. Chaos Space marines 2012.

I just had a temper tantrum helping a newbie play his list. I am an adult and should not have behaved in such a way. I am ashamed.

Also my other list is 5 IK and never wins any maelstrom missions but what ever.

People who complain about their own failures. Like going on and on all game about how you'd be winning if only you'd remembered to put those Sternguard in cover, but oh, you didn't. It's not my fault, shut up about it.

 TheManWithNoPlan wrote:
People who complain about their own failures. Like going on and on all game about how you'd be winning if only you'd remembered to put those Sternguard in cover, but oh, you didn't. It's not my fault, shut up about it.

I would win games, if it weren't for always rolling so many damn 1's...

 TheManWithNoPlan wrote:
People who complain about their own failures. Like going on and on all game about how you'd be winning if only you'd remembered to put those Sternguard in cover, but oh, you didn't. It's not my fault, shut up about it.

I tend to try and make fun of my own failures. Like I might say that my Marines were too busy admiring the shininess of the tank next to them and forgot to take cover. Makes the game a bit more light hearted.

I hate that at my LFGS, me (Die-hard Marine player) and my good buddy (Tau player) switched respective roles. I constantly run a "Firebase marine" set up with Techmarines, fortifications and heavy armour, while he plays a highly mobile assaulty Tau.

Just power gamers and snobs. I think I covered it before.

That and store managers that keep pestering you to buy more and that you're not buying enough even when you're buying from them. Listening ***hole I spend what I can and I have to deal with 3 different groups of people a week yelling/complaing to me for some reason (family, work and GW manager) to do more, spend less, spend more, etc. I don't have to put up with the GW manager as I'm a customer. If anything they should kiss my *** and beg for me to buy something rather than practically insult me for not buying something.

You know what else grinds my gears is the fact all the warhammer fantasy players were turned into the 'Bad Guy' by GW. Seriously that's what you get for years of support and hundreds if not thousands spent on your stupid games? Screw you GW seriously.

The final last thing that grinds my gears is playing an army I like and having the army suck. That or when it magically supposedly either gets a good codex/army book years down the road after you've played them for forever and due to an 8 page FAQ (skaven) people can't stand playing them and complain constantly about your old out of date codex/army book and actively try not to play your faction even though they play a more OP faction like wood elves or a more OP build like mono nurgle daemons with epidemius (which can and will hold up a unit of 40 stormvermin with maybe 5 plaguebearers and still win because skaven are OP obviously. God I hate those people. Meanwhile spells like 13th which took a crap ton to cast and only effected elite infantry received all the complaints even though skaven had next to no way to handle elf fast cavalry armies besides advance in a line across the board and pray they can't get past your hoards (which they probably could because ambushers, tons of shots and that stupid teleport through trees ability). Oh and you know who made most of the elves and daemons? Mat Ward. Skaven army book was made by somebody less hated that wasn't as bad at balance. Also good luck handling an ogre army and generally skaven weapons teams being easily picked out and killed became useless in late 8th edition (if you can think of a better waste of 55-70 pts I don't know what it can be esp. if you end up facing elves).

So yeah GW's balance in general.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
Just power gamers and snobs. I think I covered it before.

That and store managers that keep pestering you to buy more and that you're not buying enough even when you're buying from them. Listening ***hole I spend what I can and I have to deal with 3 different groups of people a week yelling/complaing to me for some reason (family, work and GW manager) to do more, spend less, spend more, etc. I don't have to put up with the GW manager as I'm a customer. If anything they should kiss my *** and beg for me to buy something rather than practically insult me for not buying something

GW managers have huge Quotas to fill. The best one I knew explained why you never buy one paint pot unless you want him gone. They have to keep telling you to buy things. Every guy that worked at mine apologized for saying it and a few even made a joke out of it...

"I see you have some Tyranids there... Would you care you buy our new Warhammer Fantasy box set?"

or

"Ah, those are some great orks you have there... Would you like to add these 5 stompas to your collection?"

I understand that it's a pain but I have limited funds. I know they're under a hammer and I don't work retail but to an extent I am too. I have to work constantly at my job (a factory) and if I'm not working I'm working faster and harder. I have to work faster and harder and I get flak for not doing that fast enough. I'm under a hammer too to an extent. I feel worst for the people that didn't get in through family or similar (the random workers) as they probably have an 80% turnover rate (4 out of 5 will be gone very soon). Keep in mind this is the privilege to work a minimum wage job at about $8.25 per hour. Yep that's my pay. Keep in mind I have living expenses like bills, food and rent. It was so bad I had to move into a place with 2 other roommates (one is super Christian and won't shut up and the other is quite possibly a neo-Nazi or Columbine shooting suspect type). Yeah those are my roommates. I live in a very crappy situation.

I understand the crap he's going through but I also understand his company is pretty dumb and greedy as well and I realize it's not good for him but it's also messed up that he's getting somewhat mad at me for this. When I come to relax somewhere one day a week and can barely afford the hobby it's nice not to receive complaints from various people from the store (most of them admittedly left with the advent of Age of Sigmar).

Anyway I don't totally blame him but rather his company. That said I used to know way better store employees at the store that closed at the mall. You may say that's probably why it closed but I dunno. The official explanation was that the mall was changing its theme and last I checked all the game stores and cyber cafes were gone (maybe with the exception of stuff like gamestop).

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

The final last thing that grinds my gears is playing an army I like and having the army suck. That or when it magically supposedly either gets a good codex/army book years down the road after you've played them for forever and due to an 8 page FAQ (skaven) people can't stand playing them and complain constantly about your old out of date codex/army book and actively try not to play your faction even though they play a more OP faction like wood elves or a more OP build like mono nurgle daemons with epidemius (which can and will hold up a unit of 40 stormvermin with maybe 5 plaguebearers and still win because skaven are OP obviously. God I hate those people. Meanwhile spells like 13th which took a crap ton to cast and only effected elite infantry received all the complaints even though skaven had next to no way to handle elf fast cavalry armies besides advance in a line across the board and pray they can't get past your hoards (which they probably could because ambushers, tons of shots and that stupid teleport through trees ability). Oh and you know who made most of the elves and daemons? Mat Ward. Skaven army book was made by somebody less hated that wasn't as bad at balance. Also good luck handling an ogre army and generally skaven weapons teams being easily picked out and killed became useless in late 8th edition (if you can think of a better waste of 55-70 pts I don't know what it can be esp. if you end up facing elves).

So yeah GW's balance in general.

1. Welcome to how 40k Chaos players feel!
Don't own IA:13? Hope you've got Daemons then, 'cause other wise you're boned.

2. I'll take your weapon teams, and raise you a wasted 2500+ pts of Daemons vs. High Elves! (because when was the last time you ever saw an elf army without their super skillful Ward(tm) Banner?!)

As bad as Skaven weapon teams became, they were still nothing as compared to the massive levels of pure rodent gak that Bloodletters were... 12pts a pop for Daemonic Instanbility, a single S4 attack, and a super squishy T3/5++ dude. It would be normal to charge elven archers and actually lose combat!
And adding a Herald to the unit? Good luck with that... 175pts base just to give out Hatred, with a T4/W2/5++ model that could be singled out, and had no way to buy any form of protection! (but you could spend another 50pts for a 16% shot at a 2+ armour save! )

The only thing Bloodletters were great for was to sucker gullible opponents into throwing everything they had into destroying the unit before it could bounce off them! Anyone who'd actually seen Bloodletters in combat new that you could just throw a unit of basic grunts that cost less than half their pts at them and grind them to nothing.

At least my 32 converted 'Letters looked good getting their faces routinely kicked in by lousy Men-at-Arms though! (I guess that's something, right?!)

My issue was that skaven actually received the whole "You have lame stuff and therefore you're OP!" treatment as well as had an 8 page FAQ and the ballsy announcement that it was a 7th army book with 8th in mind. Hey at least we'll get a 9th edition army book....wait :(. Yeah that was life for skaven. Least we got stormfiends with ratling cannons that could dig underground. Even then that was a rare choice so you had choose between that, the abominations, doomwheels or warp lightning cannons. Meanwhile just about all our specials were crap. Interesting how people complained about that with stuff like nagash summoning 2,000 pts of an army on the field over the course of a game and this is stuff that could actually fight from a stupid OP lore. Oh and the second we give skaven a book let's give warriors of chaos a bloodthrister thing that can basically fly to a monster anywhere on the board and kill it without much trouble with a crap ton of heroic killing blow attacks (if I remember tomb kings had the most previously at like 3-4 I think). But hey let's give that think like 8-12 of them, ASF and various crap and make it fly because balance.

I find it funniest people often said our morale was ridiculous even though the only stuff with good morale had ranks and anything worth a **** in fighting was frenzied and small in numbers that it'd die if you didn't flank with it and by god if that died you were in trouble. The game's basically turned into spam rares and magic and stay out of combat. It's sad when every single unit you have sucks in varying degrees and the point of the game for you is more to keep them out of fighting as if there's no point in having them at all.

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Biggest slap to the face to fantasy players of course was advertising AoS as 9th edition and finally when it comes killing off fantasy and turning the game into flicking a dude's genitals and saying you're an Oscar meyer weiner for re-rolls to hit.

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I hate that at my LFGS, me (Die-hard Marine player) and my good buddy (Tau player) switched respective roles. I constantly run a "Firebase marine" set up with Techmarines, fortifications and heavy armour, while he plays a highly mobile assaulty Tau.

The best way to play tau. It might not be the most competitive, but it's damn sure fun. Nothing like zooming in on devilfish to wipe squads out with pulse carbines at short range.

AoS/WHFB ranting belongs in the other sub forum.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I hate that at my LFGS, me (Die-hard Marine player) and my good buddy (Tau player) switched respective roles. I constantly run a "Firebase marine" set up with Techmarines, fortifications and heavy armour, while he plays a highly mobile assaulty Tau.

The best way to play tau. It might not be the most competitive, but it's damn sure fun. Nothing like zooming in on devilfish to wipe squads out with pulse carbines at short range.

Use Breachers instead. Get close enough, and even Marines won't get saves!

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I hate that at my LFGS, me (Die-hard Marine player) and my good buddy (Tau player) switched respective roles. I constantly run a "Firebase marine" set up with Techmarines, fortifications and heavy armour, while he plays a highly mobile assaulty Tau.

The best way to play tau. It might not be the most competitive, but it's damn sure fun. Nothing like zooming in on devilfish to wipe squads out with pulse carbines at short range.

Pulse rifles*

Everyone of his squads will probably have an Ethereal or Fireblade. Ive had to get creative with running super tanky death stars


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 ZergSmasher wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
I hate that at my LFGS, me (Die-hard Marine player) and my good buddy (Tau player) switched respective roles. I constantly run a "Firebase marine" set up with Techmarines, fortifications and heavy armour, while he plays a highly mobile assaulty Tau.

The best way to play tau. It might not be the most competitive, but it's damn sure fun. Nothing like zooming in on devilfish to wipe squads out with pulse carbines at short range.

Use Breachers instead. Get close enough, and even Marines won't get saves!

He's on the poor side of things. His only non-preused was a Riptide that he magnetized. I feel bad so I am buying him some of the new Crisis suits because his are... atrocious.

He also thinks Breachers were a stupid idea and runs Vespids

 Tactical_Spam wrote:
AoS/WHFB ranting belongs in the other sub forum.

Sorry there's just so much in that whole **** basket to hate.

I don't mind the person who plays to win. I don't mind the person who brings 8 empty cans of coke every week for two years and calls them drop pods. I don't mind the person who spams the most overpowered model in every list they play. I don't mind the person who doesn't ever paint their models so they can sell them. I don't mind the person who never showers. I don't even mind the person who tries to bend the rules or outright cheats. At least not as much as...

THE PERSON WHO ING STEALS THINGS!

I cannot stand this person. I can't ever go to the bathroom. I can't go out to my car to grab something I forgot. I cant go to the second floor of the store. I can't do any of this because I will have my things stolen.

This happened a couple years ago and I told the store owner as well as the staff. The store has a zero tolerance policy on thievery and I think a person was banned from the store (who knows if it was the person who stole from me). First thing I had stolen was a pair of metal SM sniper scouts. I assumed I dropped them or something. Then I lost shrike and started to get suspicious. Last thing was a land raider. Yes, a fething land raider was stolen as I went to the bathroom. I didn't even go number 2, I just went in, pissed, came back out and it was gone. Shrike and the LR were stolen when I wasn't in a game so there wasn't an opponent watching the table for me. The two metal scouts were lost when my opponent and I were deploying and we both went to look at the store copy of the codex for his army because he didn't bring his.

So I have become really paranoid and never leave army army or even my cases where I can't see them or if I have to I leave it behind the counter to be watched. It sucks too, because I havn't enjoyed playing as much since this has happened.

So, if you are one of these people who steal at your FLGS, up yours.

 Ryan_A wrote:
I don't mind the person who plays to win. I don't mind the person who brings 8 empty cans of coke every week for two years and calls them drop pods. I don't mind the person who spams the most overpowered model in every list they play. I don't mind the person who doesn't ever paint their models so they can sell them. I don't mind the person who never showers. I don't even mind the person who tries to bend the rules or outright cheats. At least not as much as...

THE PERSON WHO ING STEALS THINGS!

This +1. I hate those effing people. I lost at least 2-3 plasma gunner guardsmen that cost at least 12-15 USD at the time.

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Another bunch of people I can't stand are the people that break your crap. Watch your **** body parts when around other people's models. I have had a kid smash the top of his case right on top of my warp lightning cannon and break it and another guy that slammed his hand down on a tray of about 40 dead clanrats that did a backflip onto the floor. Would you imagine those 2 incidents happened about 2-3 weeks apart from each other? Seriously people I don't paint my models much but please, please, PLEASE be careful with things that aren't yours. If I carelessly wrecked your **** would you be happy! Respect my stuff and legit be sorry about it and help me out.

 Ryan_A wrote:
I don't mind the person who plays to win. I don't mind the person who brings 8 empty cans of coke every week for two years and calls them drop pods. I don't mind the person who spams the most overpowered model in every list they play. I don't mind the person who doesn't ever paint their models so they can sell them. I don't mind the person who never showers. I don't even mind the person who tries to bend the rules or outright cheats. At least not as much as...

THE PERSON WHO ING STEALS THINGS!

I cannot stand this person. I can't ever go to the bathroom. I can't go out to my car to grab something I forgot. I cant go to the second floor of the store. I can't do any of this because I will have my things stolen.

This happened a couple years ago and I told the store owner as well as the staff. The store has a zero tolerance policy on thievery and I think a person was banned from the store (who knows if it was the person who stole from me). First thing I had stolen was a pair of metal SM sniper scouts. I assumed I dropped them or something. Then I lost shrike and started to get suspicious. Last thing was a land raider. Yes, a fething land raider was stolen as I went to the bathroom. I didn't even go number 2, I just went in, pissed, came back out and it was gone. Shrike and the LR were stolen when I wasn't in a game so there wasn't an opponent watching the table for me. The two metal scouts were lost when my opponent and I were deploying and we both went to look at the store copy of the codex for his army because he didn't bring his.

So I have become really paranoid and never leave army army or even my cases where I can't see them or if I have to I leave it behind the counter to be watched. It sucks too, because I havn't enjoyed playing as much since this has happened.

So, if you are one of these people who steal at your FLGS, up yours.

I got someone who steals 1 box of Lizardmen stuff from the store,the guy was suspected to be a reguler and we homed in on him,to this that there's no more stealing

but yes +1 for stealing.

People not involved in a game offering advice.

I'm not playing the whole store. I'm playing that guy right there. feth off.


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 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I understand that it's a pain but I have limited funds. I know they're under a hammer and I don't work retail but to an extent I am too. I have to work constantly at my job (a factory) and if I'm not working I'm working faster and harder. I have to work faster and harder and I get flak for not doing that fast enough. I'm under a hammer too to an extent. I feel worst for the people that didn't get in through family or similar (the random workers) as they probably have an 80% turnover rate (4 out of 5 will be gone very soon). Keep in mind this is the privilege to work a minimum wage job at about $8.25 per hour. Yep that's my pay. Keep in mind I have living expenses like bills, food and rent. It was so bad I had to move into a place with 2 other roommates (one is super Christian and won't shut up and the other is quite possibly a neo-Nazi or Columbine shooting suspect type). Yeah those are my roommates. I live in a very crappy situation.

You sound very angry.

You don't have to buy something every time you go into a store. Just say no. If the store manager is pushy, you might consider looking elsewhere to play. Is there no other store?

As for your work situation, make sure you're looking elsewhere. An 8.25/hour manufacturing job is peanuts, man. What skills do you have? Degrees? Certifications?

 Ryan_A wrote:
I don't mind the person who plays to win. I don't mind the person who brings 8 empty cans of coke every week for two years and calls them drop pods. I don't mind the person who spams the most overpowered model in every list they play. I don't mind the person who doesn't ever paint their models so they can sell them. I don't mind the person who never showers. I don't even mind the person who tries to bend the rules or outright cheats. At least not as much as...

THE PERSON WHO ING STEALS THINGS!

I cannot stand this person. I can't ever go to the bathroom. I can't go out to my car to grab something I forgot. I cant go to the second floor of the store. I can't do any of this because I will have my things stolen.

This happened a couple years ago and I told the store owner as well as the staff. The store has a zero tolerance policy on thievery and I think a person was banned from the store (who knows if it was the person who stole from me). First thing I had stolen was a pair of metal SM sniper scouts. I assumed I dropped them or something. Then I lost shrike and started to get suspicious. Last thing was a land raider. Yes, a fething land raider was stolen as I went to the bathroom. I didn't even go number 2, I just went in, pissed, came back out and it was gone. Shrike and the LR were stolen when I wasn't in a game so there wasn't an opponent watching the table for me. The two metal scouts were lost when my opponent and I were deploying and we both went to look at the store copy of the codex for his army because he didn't bring his.

So I have become really paranoid and never leave army army or even my cases where I can't see them or if I have to I leave it behind the counter to be watched. It sucks too, because I havn't enjoyed playing as much since this has happened.

So, if you are one of these people who steal at your FLGS, up yours.

In the case that someone stole Shrike and a LR, I would probably hold the store up and do a full search of everyone's stuff. Ain't no one stealing a LR, its like plastic gold.

You know, I must be too trusting in my FLGS.
I could not imagine anything being stolen unless it is an unsupervised child.

Yeah, my fully painted Land Raider would push the edge of what I could let go an not get physical with someone.
~$90 Canadian but about $1000 more due to the painting (in my mind, not actual worth!).

I think theft at the FLGS would be worse than playing a WAAC by a long shot.

Fortunatly our gaming hours been 18h to midnight, we don't have small kids, a few teenagers, but there was never something stolen, missing, yes can happen.

Like a guy forget his codex, and some other dude take it by accident because he thinks its his, happened to me, at one point in had 3 CSM codexes, and none of them was mine, since i had drawed the rune of Khorne inside of it to reconised it.

Sorted out and everyone got his codex back.

No wait we had a stealer at one time, a dude of us, who's hobby was to lick/steal rare/unique looking dices...

He was doing this just to piss off people, and he had a box with a huge pack of dices, wich i think only a 1/4 was really his, usually people would go to him " dude did you steal my dice again?", " yeah you can have it back", "stop doing that dude".

It was taken more like a joke then anything else really, now he's stopped doing that, nearly started a fight at a tournament because of that with another player, served him as a lesson i guess.

 kronk wrote:
People not involved in a game offering advice.

I'm not playing the whole store. I'm playing that guy right there. feth off.


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I understand that it's a pain but I have limited funds. I know they're under a hammer and I don't work retail but to an extent I am too. I have to work constantly at my job (a factory) and if I'm not working I'm working faster and harder. I have to work faster and harder and I get flak for not doing that fast enough. I'm under a hammer too to an extent. I feel worst for the people that didn't get in through family or similar (the random workers) as they probably have an 80% turnover rate (4 out of 5 will be gone very soon). Keep in mind this is the privilege to work a minimum wage job at about $8.25 per hour. Yep that's my pay. Keep in mind I have living expenses like bills, food and rent. It was so bad I had to move into a place with 2 other roommates (one is super Christian and won't shut up and the other is quite possibly a neo-Nazi or Columbine shooting suspect type). Yeah those are my roommates. I live in a very crappy situation.

You sound very angry.

You don't have to buy something every time you go into a store. Just say no. If the store manager is pushy, you might consider looking elsewhere to play. Is there no other store?

As for your work situation, make sure you're looking elsewhere. An 8.25/hour manufacturing job is peanuts, man. What skills do you have? Degrees? Certifications?

It's hard not to be angry frustrated. My whole life lately is about people being unsatisfied with me whether boss, family or hobby store. I can't go anywhere where I'm appreciated more pretty much. My life is also pretty abysmal and boring. I'd get into it more but it'd get us fairly off topic. If you wish to know more PM me. Let's just say I've been through a lot of crap including a close family member dying in '06 when I was 19 and lots of bad moments in my life.

Keep in mind this is a Games Workshop store. I truly have considered going to other gaming stores but I tend to be a person of habit. Not only that I'm not sure where I would go and if anywhere is in a better locations (esp. now that the GW is close to me since I moved).

I have gone through high school and some college. I have passed physics with a C or better for both courses (1 and 2) and I did Calculus 1 and passed that at least. I could never do better than calculus 1 though (calculus 2 was super hard though I probably should've stuck with it due to grading on a curve and it's insane how many people drop out of that class). I've been a fairly decent student and as far as difficulty in classes I seem to do better than most people in general (if I recall only about 1 in 20 people of similar age have done calculus from what I've seen though the numbers may vary).

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
It's hard not to be angry frustrated. My whole life lately is about people being unsatisfied with me whether boss, family or hobby store. I can't go anywhere where I'm appreciated more pretty much. My life is also pretty abysmal and boring. I'd get into it more but it'd get us fairly off topic. If you wish to know more PM me. Let's just say I've been through a lot of crap including a close family member dying in '06 when I was 19 and lots of bad moments in my life.

My company is hiring, assembly employees start off at 90% of the base wage of $14.25ish an hour, go to 95% at 6 months, 100% at a year. Can't be forced to work Sundays, straight 8 hour shifts (don't punch out for lunches) CAN be forced to work up to two Saturdays in a row before you can decide not to work the third Saturday. Generally overtime is available to anyone who wants to work Saturdays, doubletime on Sundays (again usually available every week) 2% raise guaranteed a year and start with 2 weeks vacation, with a 1/2 day of vacation for each quarter of perfect attendance, 2 more days if you go the entire year. Yearly bonuses. This is the base wage scale, there are jobs that make quite a bit more but they aren't entry level, employees sign postings for them and are awarded positions by seniority.

We're in Grand Haven, MI if you are looking to relocate just a bit. Just a few hours west down I96, work 2 miles from Lake Michigan in a climate controlled factory. We build electronics for the Auto industry, so it's always 70 degrees in here

There's a great game store just 3 minutes from the factory, great guys, don't usually see tournaments for 40k anymore, just themed 40k days where folks can be guaranteed to get a game in. X-Wing is huge there as well. Give me a PM if you are thinking a little bit of relocation might lighten your spirits a bit. Flint, MI has it rough right now. We are struggling to find workers who can put parts in a box much less be able to do calculus, you'd be a sure thing.

 dracpanzer wrote:

Spoiler:

My company is hiring, assembly employees start off at 90% of the base wage of $14.25ish an hour, go to 95% at 6 months, 100% at a year. Can't be forced to work Sundays, straight 8 hour shifts (don't punch out for lunches) CAN be forced to work up to two Saturdays in a row before you can decide not to work the third Saturday. Generally overtime is available to anyone who wants to work Saturdays, doubletime on Sundays (again usually available every week) 2% raise guaranteed a year and start with 2 weeks vacation, with a 1/2 day of vacation for each quarter of perfect attendance, 2 more days if you go the entire year. Yearly bonuses. This is the base wage scale, there are jobs that make quite a bit more but they aren't entry level, employees sign postings for them and are awarded positions by seniority.

We're in Grand Haven, MI if you are looking to relocate just a bit. Just a few hours west down I96, work 2 miles from Lake Michigan in a climate controlled factory. We build electronics for the Auto industry, so it's always 70 degrees in here

There's a great game store just 3 minutes from the factory, great guys, don't usually see tournaments for 40k anymore, just themed 40k days where folks can be guaranteed to get a game in. X-Wing is huge there as well. Give me a PM if you are thinking a little bit of relocation might lighten your spirits a bit. Flint, MI has it rough right now. We are struggling to find workers who can put parts in a box much less be able to do calculus, you'd be a sure thing.

Not going to lie, that sounds pretty dang tempting to a young 20 something like myself.

The things you see on Dakka I suppose. =P

Also I want to re-iterate the stealing thing, though I've accidently been on the wrong side of that. About 8 years ago when I was at GW in Colorado for a huge event (we had upwards of 20 people crammed into a tiny store at four tables pushed together for the game - it was big) I ended up picking up a well painted IG plasma gunner and putting him in my case. I didn't notice until I was out of the state once again, and still to do this day feel pretty bad about it.

People who roll a big pool of dice, then pick up the successful ones rather than the unsuccessful ones, how am I meant to check WTF you rolled now?

Hard to read dice I can't stand either.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:

 kronk wrote:
People not involved in a game offering advice.

I'm not playing the whole store. I'm playing that guy right there. feth off.


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 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I understand that it's a pain but I have limited funds. I know they're under a hammer and I don't work retail but to an extent I am too. I have to work constantly at my job (a factory) and if I'm not working I'm working faster and harder. I have to work faster and harder and I get flak for not doing that fast enough. I'm under a hammer too to an extent. I feel worst for the people that didn't get in through family or similar (the random workers) as they probably have an 80% turnover rate (4 out of 5 will be gone very soon). Keep in mind this is the privilege to work a minimum wage job at about $8.25 per hour. Yep that's my pay. Keep in mind I have living expenses like bills, food and rent. It was so bad I had to move into a place with 2 other roommates (one is super Christian and won't shut up and the other is quite possibly a neo-Nazi or Columbine shooting suspect type). Yeah those are my roommates. I live in a very crappy situation.

You sound very angry.

You don't have to buy something every time you go into a store. Just say no. If the store manager is pushy, you might consider looking elsewhere to play. Is there no other store?

As for your work situation, make sure you're looking elsewhere. An 8.25/hour manufacturing job is peanuts, man. What skills do you have? Degrees? Certifications?

I have gone through high school and some college. I have passed physics with a C or better for both courses (1 and 2) and I did Calculus 1 and passed that at least. I could never do better than calculus 1 though (calculus 2 was super hard though I probably should've stuck with it due to grading on a curve and it's insane how many people drop out of that class). I've been a fairly decent student and as far as difficulty in classes I seem to do better than most people in general (if I recall only about 1 in 20 people of similar age have done calculus from what I've seen though the numbers may vary).

As a professor, let me address this.
If you are a decent student or not is entirely dependent on your major. If you were a science major (say biology, since they don't need calculus 2 and its probably the most popular science), a C in physics 1 and 2 is pretty bad. How many people in the general population have taken calculus isn't important, because you aren't competing with those people. You really need a B or better in any freshman science course (Chem 1 and 2, Bio 1 and 2, Physics 1 and 2) if you want to pursue a science or engineering degree. Math especially, we like to see B's or better. Difficultly comes into play, but outside of calculus, none of those courses are overly difficult. Classes like Physical Chemistry, Quantitative analysis, Microbiology, Genetics are considered difficult and a B here is more acceptable.

That being said, if you were a nursing student, getting a C in physics is considered fine, and taking calculus at all is impressive. You could get into a nursing program if you finished the requirements (which vary from state to state, but usually require 2 math courses, bio/chem/physics 1 and 2, Anatomy 1 and 2). Nursing starts off with decent pay in most states, and if you pursue a masters in it eventually, you can earn a lot of money as a ARNP or some other field. Nursing tends to be female heavy as well, so a male in the field can go far unless you are shooting for midwife.
You could also be a radiology tech, I believe in the south they start at 14/16 an hour in most states, and most states require just an AA with anatomy and physics preferred.

People who complain about things that are perfectly statistically acceptable bother me.

Like simple stuff. There's a guy who each psychic power he slots exactly the ML in dice to each roll and then calls psychic powers and then says psychics are useless and underpowered now.

Or the guy who takes 4 jinks and fails 2. Or 3 3+ saves and fails 1. Then they complain about it like "oh my dice are crap this game"....

While playing a game, the one thing that always, always sets me off is someone else that is not playing the game telling me or my opponent how we should be playing the game. It's one thing if I'm doing something wrong- in which case I welcome someone explaining the rule to me so that I'm not "cheating". But when random guy says "You should move that unit over there" or "You should be shooting at that, not that"... yeah, you need to just move along. This isn't your game. If you want to talk strategy and tactics, make a note, and I'll be glad to talk about it after the game. During the game? No way.

That's why if I'm watching a game, I won't say a thing, unless it's to compliment a paint job or something like that. Or if they are doing something really, really wrong like using WS chart to shoot with. If they ask my opinion, I'll give it. Otherwise, I'll just watch. I've learned a TON by just watching a game, not saying anything, and leaving my notions/ideas/opinions out of it.

The worst grind? The overweight neck beard that waddles up to the table and declares "Why are you doing that? That's stupid. You should be doing..." in his wheezing, condescending voice. I think some really, really dark thoughts when that happens. Most of the time, I'm able to restrain myself from saying anything. Most of the time.

People that come over to the table and say "Why are you using [unit x], it sucks!", especially when it is directed to both sides of the battle.

If both our armies suck then perhaps there might be some kind of balance there!

If we were to take the 'exclusively use the current winningist combo of units ever' then both sides would be using hastily assembled grey plastic mirrormatch armies, which honestly wouldn't be as much fun for me.

the_scotsman wrote:
People who complain about things that are perfectly statistically acceptable bother me.

Like simple stuff. There's a guy who each psychic power he slots exactly the ML in dice to each roll and then calls psychic powers and then says psychics are useless and underpowered now.

Or the guy who takes 4 jinks and fails 2. Or 3 3+ saves and fails 1. Then they complain about it like "oh my dice are crap this game"....

Man, I think my dice are doing pretty good when I can pass 1 out of 4, 3+ saves.

@Akiasura: I think I barely got a B in physics 1 in college but physics 2 is where I got the C. That said I do feel I need to brush up on it but doing that might require me to work less or not at all. Honestly at this point working a better wage isn't such a bad plan. I was planning to major with science but that said if I can do better for myself regardless I will be happy.

@dracpanzer: The offer is incredibly tempting but currently I'm only a part-time employee and I dunno how my half sister would feel about a move so soon (even though one of my roommate is an insane neo-Nazi/columbine shooting suspect and the other is a massive Christian nut named Matt Ward and no I'm not kidding about his name). It's not impressive and I realize that. The vacation stuff sounds typical. Would you believe I worked at my job for over 3 and a half years and get paid $8.25 per hour and never got a raise except during minimum wage increase?

My current job is in Sterling Heights, Michigan and I've moved from Pontiac to Rochester Hills. I have heard a bit about Flint but I'm directionally challenged. Having a game store like that is very nice. My local one is the only GW left in Michigan. I'm seriously like a few blocks away from it currently.

nareik wrote:
People that come over to the table and say "Why are you using [unit x], it sucks!".

Yep that never gets old. But one thing that gets on my nerves is people who have to throw the dice when rolling.

One of my friends does that. He even managed to shatter a plate at my house one time. I rolled every die after that.

Also, rude win at all costs players. There are some who are actually fun and are very sportsman like . But then you have these who act like five years olds when they lose

Luckily I have a pretty great group that I play with, so I don't have much in the way of stories of bad players. Everyone's pretty casual, even the guys who lose every (or most) weeks still come up and play because it doesn't stop them from having a great time. Except...

There's one person who would essentially throw temper tantrums any time any minor thing didn't go his way in combat. He loses the roll to go first? " I might as well pack up now, you're just going to wipe me off the board." He shoots at my unit and I pass more saves than is statistically normal? "That shouldn't have happened, I'd be winning if you weren't using cheaty dice." I once saw him kick a wall in frustration because I killed two Crisis Suits on my first turn (it was solid concrete, though, so he would have had a hell of a time breaking anything but his foot). He also threw a Crisis Suit across the table (mine, that he was borrowing) after he took a risk and lost (I ran a big unit off the board because he had castled it right up against his deployment zone and I got into combat with a couple of Terminators).

When he finally got his own army, which was Necrons in 5th Edition, he'd bitch and moan about how Necrons were one of the worst armies, and the only reason he could ever win was because of reanimation protocols (this, despite running as many wraiths and stalkers as he could). Eventually he decided he couldn't take it anymore and got out of the hobby. Later on, I showed him the new Necron book, and he complained about how everything was nerfed, and there was literally no reason to not run the Decurian detachment so he couldn't even use his old army anymore because he didn't have enough units to fulfill the minimum requirements. Thankfully, he still has no desire to come back. Good riddance, I say.

 Locclo wrote:


There's one person who would essentially throw temper tantrums any time any minor thing didn't go his way in combat. He loses the roll to go first? " I might as well pack up now, you're just going to wipe me off the board." He shoots at my unit and I pass more saves than is statistically normal? "That shouldn't have happened, I'd be winning if you weren't using cheaty dice." I once saw him kick a wall in frustration because I killed two Crisis Suits on my first turn (it was solid concrete, though, so he would have had a hell of a time breaking anything but his foot). He also threw a Crisis Suit across the table (mine, that he was borrowing) after he took a risk and lost (I ran a big unit off the board because he had castled it right up against his deployment zone and I got into combat with a couple of Terminators).

When he finally got his own army, which was Necrons in 5th Edition, he'd bitch and moan about how Necrons were one of the worst armies, and the only reason he could ever win was because of reanimation protocols (this, despite running as many wraiths and stalkers as he could). Eventually he decided he couldn't take it anymore and got out of the hobby. Later on, I showed him the new Necron book, and he complained about how everything was nerfed, and there was literally no reason to not run the Decurian detachment so he couldn't even use his old army anymore because he didn't have enough units to fulfill the minimum requirements. Thankfully, he still has no desire to come back. Good riddance, I say.

Sweet merciful budda....