So it's been a year since they released a new product.

http://wargamesfactory.com/announcements/woodland-indians

4 months since they closed their web store and announced Warlord Games was their new distributor

http://www.wargamesfactory.com/announcements/warlord-game-and-wargames-factory-partnership

And since that, nothing.

Their stuff is not on the Warlord site and several of their kits are sold out at the War Store.

http://www.thewarstore.com/wargames-factory-science-fiction-miniatures.html

Any insights?

Yeah i saw Warlord was taking them in as well and their kids being dwindled down. I did find out that some of their American Independence kits that warlord has (package armies) are in fact in part wargames factory figures.

This has lead me to wonder (thought Warlord would have had the figures on their site by now for Christmas) if Warlord wants to use the figures to make army packs instead of selling the cheaper in cost figures as they were. This would remove the figures from being cheaper options to their figures especially Bolt Action line... and instead make a lets say new 2016 D-Day Army Pack with X number of figures vs X number of figures for a "good deal." but not have them for 30 man box set kits.

I am sure i am wrong, but if I am right they will use it for this and have effectivly eliminated a competition of the cheaper box sets vs their own.... assuming that WArlord is more than a distributer and some untruth was going on...

But yeah I had wondered what was going on, I wanted some indians, and what not for Muskets and Tomahawks :(.

What I'm worried about is what this means for companies that were using their production facilities, like Dreamforge and Dakka's own game.

If Wargames factory sinks they'll be in serious trouble too, which is an absolute shame because dreamforge has a real future with quality minis if he can just get the ball rolling

I don't know where Wargames Factory manufacture their kits, but there are plenty of polystyrene moulding companies around the world. It's not hard to arrange manufacturing of a kit if you've got the money, which means there needs to be sufficient demand.

AWI is not a period I would have picked for a high volume plastic range. It's barely played at all outside the US and I don't get the impression it's super popular over there. ACW is a lot more widespread. The Perry Bros have got that sown up in plastic now, though.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
What I'm worried about is what this means for companies that were using their production facilities, like Dreamforge and Dakka's own game.

If Wargames factory sinks they'll be in serious trouble too, which is an absolute shame because dreamforge has a real future with quality minis if he can just get the ball rolling

I cant speak for dreamforge, but we use loads of different manufacturers, and contractually can freely move the completed tools between them as well as have tooling done by any of them. WGF has been doing a lot of non-wargames business recently as well.

They are still churning out new Malifaux stuff, but seem to have dropped quite a few other lines.

There was an update in this morning's Warlord Newsletter:

http://www.warlordgames.com/update-partnership-with-wargames-factory/

As you know we have recently entered into partnership with Wargames Factory to exclusively distribute their plastic wargames kits worldwide.

We have been hard at work producing new box artwork to bring the packaging in line with our existing brands, having the models painted by our talented figure painters and, where necessary, having flags produced for inclusion in those sets.

We are also working with Wargames Factory to modify some of the plastic tools to make them more fit for purpose by either amalgamating many smaller sprues into the larger sprues our customers are used to or in some cases altering the mix of components on some sprues to give more models per frame – we want you to have the best possible products!

All of this takes time considering the wide range of boxed sets we will be distributing. In November we re-released the first plastics with three new products for the American War of Independence – British and Continental starter armies and our massive Liberty or Death! Battle-set. Six individual boxed sets for this range will be released early in 2016 including two brand new sets – Hessians and Artillery.

We plan to release all if the sets as fast as possible given the above changes. With the AWI range released we next turn our attention to the War of Spanish Succession and to the various Zombie Apocalypse sets (including some completely new sets and some surprises!).

Please bear with us while we transition the range – the wait will be worth it.

WoSS has more appeal to me, though in fact I've always liked the 15mm range done by Dixons Miniatures.

The only time wargames factory has been introuble was the time Tony Reidy was incharge of it

 Polonius wrote:
There was an update in this morning's Warlord Newsletter:

http://www.warlordgames.com/update-partnership-with-wargames-factory/

As you know we have recently entered into partnership with Wargames Factory to exclusively distribute their plastic wargames kits worldwide.

We have been hard at work producing new box artwork to bring the packaging in line with our existing brands, having the models painted by our talented figure painters and, where necessary, having flags produced for inclusion in those sets.

We are also working with Wargames Factory to modify some of the plastic tools to make them more fit for purpose by either amalgamating many smaller sprues into the larger sprues our customers are used to or in some cases altering the mix of components on some sprues to give more models per frame – we want you to have the best possible products!

All of this takes time considering the wide range of boxed sets we will be distributing. In November we re-released the first plastics with three new products for the American War of Independence – British and Continental starter armies and our massive Liberty or Death! Battle-set. Six individual boxed sets for this range will be released early in 2016 including two brand new sets – Hessians and Artillery.

We plan to release all if the sets as fast as possible given the above changes. With the AWI range released we next turn our attention to the War of Spanish Succession and to the various Zombie Apocalypse sets (including some completely new sets and some surprises!).

Please bear with us while we transition the range – the wait will be worth it.

huh?

Did they read my mind or something?

Thanks for the update Polonius, those are pretty good news.

I fear that Warlord Games will price the kits as high as their own overpriced boxes. WGF used to give great value for money. Raise the prices by Warlord levels, and suddenly that repetition of three sprues in a kit seems much more of a liability.


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I fear that Warlord Games will price the kits as high as their own overpriced boxes. WGF used to give great value for money. Raise the prices by Warlord levels, and suddenly that repetition of three sprues in a kit seems much more of a liability.

WF is basically trying to become more like Renedra.

As for the sets, I know that in addition to the Apocalypse sets and the War of Independence sets Warlord Games also picked up the old Hammer of the Gods (Vikings and Saxons) sets as well. Again, they're rebranding the boxes and those will release. I have that confirmed by email from one of their customer service guys. Though, the vikings and saxons may be a while.

As to the WF WW2, Dreamforge got to pick those up when Warlord declined them. Dreamforge sells both the 28mm and 15mm ranges at http://dreamforge-games.com/collections/all . Just scroll down to the bottom of the page.

What about the Japanese Samurai range?

I don't know about the samurai, but I would be surprised if Warlord didn't pick those up. Worse come to worse you could email them and ask. That's what I did to find out about the Saxons.

Damn, I still need to pick up the zombie survivors kits for Fallout/TNT.

Crap. I was putting off buying more of their WW2 stuff and Samurai until I had finished the current boxes. If I had known Warlord would be taking over, I wouldn't have waited. This is why wargames become hoarders.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Crap. I was putting off buying more of their WW2 stuff and Samurai until I had finished the current boxes. If I had known Warlord would be taking over, I wouldn't have waited. This is why wargames become hoarders.

Dreamforge has it, for a good discount too.

http://dreamforge-games.com/collections/all

So if I've got this right WGF won't be putting out any new kits but will continue to act as a supplier for other companies.

Their non-WWII historical line and zombie/survivors have been picked up by Warlord but will be retooled and might not be back for a while.

Their WWII stuff is with Dream Forge.

What about their great coat shock troops? Anyone know.

The Wargames Factory Zombies were nothing to write home about.

Same could in my opinion be said about their survivor kits. I've got both and the lack of options and how they go together is quite appalling. The only big pro to the kits are the low price I paid for them.

One would think that the great coat kits have gone the way of the dodo as well, they weren't exactly stellar or great looking. I know some people are desperate for something other than GW's plastic Cadians, but those kits aren't it in my opinion.

The Greatcoat Shocktroopers are (were?) quite ok for their price, specially considering the weapon options included in the kit.

With multiple head and gun options I really like the philosophy behind the Great Coats.

They were really designed so you could make 'your' army, not just assemble someone else's idea.

While some of the options were not great, or even good, the flexibility of the kit was head and shoulders above most others.

I wish WGF had continued down that road with stronger designs.

Some info here:

theminiaturespage.com/news/?id=390635353

We have been hard at work producing new box artwork to bring the packaging in line with our existing brands, having the models painted by our talented figure painters and, where necessary, having flags produced for inclusion in those sets.

We are also working with Wargames Factory to modify some of the plastic tools to make them more fit for purpose by either amalgamating many smaller sprues into the larger sprues our customers are used to, or in some cases altering the mix of components on some sprues to give more models per frame – we want you to have the best possible products!

All of this takes time, considering the wide range of boxed sets we will be distributing. In November, we re-released the first plastics with three new products for the American War of Independence – British and Continental starter armies and our massive Liberty or Death! battle set. Six individual boxed sets for this range will be released early in 2016, including two brand-new sets – Hessians and artillery.

We plan to release all of the sets as fast as possible, given the above changes. With the AWI range released, we next turn our attention to the War of the Spanish Succession and to the various Zombie Apocalypse sets (including some completely new sets and some surprises!).

Please bear with us while we transition the range – the wait will be worth it.

Already posted in this thread a bit up.

Woops, I knew I had read it somewhere...

Sorry

Whatever happened to their third box of Post-Apocalyptic survivors? They showed pictures of a biker set on the sprue last year at a show, but there's been nothing since. :(



Damn, and looking at the standing legs for those models they're a hell of a lot better posed that the regular splayed legs survivors. :(

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Whatever happened to their third box of Post-Apocalyptic survivors? They showed pictures of a biker set on the sprue last year at a show, but there's been nothing since. :(

I had forgotten about the bikers. I wanted a set. Still may want them if they get released.

Cautiously optimistic. Hope they redo the greatcoat heavy weapon box, as that was just plain bad.

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Whatever happened to their third box of Post-Apocalyptic survivors? They showed pictures of a biker set on the sprue last year at a show, but there's been nothing since. :(

From the sound of things the best bet might be contacting Warlord since they seem to ahve picked up the Apoc line.

Available now in the webstore, we have a selection of Wargames Factory plastic sprues.

As we explained a few weeks ago in this update, the Design Studio is busy working on the brilliant Wargames Factory plastics, ready to release newly kitted-out and repackaged boxed sets.

However we know lots of you are keen to get your hands on these models, and since we already have a limited number of certain sprues sitting in our stock room, we decided to make them available to tide you over until they are revisited at a later date:

All these plastic frames come fantastically detailed with a great assortment of pieces to make up your models in the equipment and style of your choice:

From the latest newsletter. You can buy sprues of Saxons, Samurai and Orcs from £3-£5.

well yeah the shark has eaten the smaller fish, damn I knew I should have bought more greatcoats from them.

Well at least I still got my Warhammer Fantasy Nippon army in time.

Damn I was really looking forward into WF

I will be sad if warlord makes the prices even higher. Cost was wgf's selling point to me.

They're re-branding the Woodland Indian and Colonial sets under Warlord's own Black Powder range and removing references to Wargames Factory. I thought it was supposed to be a distribution partnership, but this looks more like WGF was bought out.

I would say WGF is going to production only, no longer designing or marketing their own models, just producing for 3rd parties.

Probably an easier, more focused business. And that way they don't compete wtih their own customers like WWX or malifaux.

I want those bikers.

I reckon Warlord will still bring those bikers out at some point. Probably at a different price point than WGF would have been, but c'est la vie. At least Warlord's (non-Antares) prices are still very reasonable.

Bikers with Mohawk heads for the win!

Don't tell us, tell Warlord!

http://www.warlordgames.com/contact-us/

info@warlordgames.com

WGFs AWI figures are starting to show up in Warlord packaging.

Good God, Gamers are so cheap. It makes me wonder why anyone would get into this business.

I find "gamers" that feel a need to bitch about other gamers without any real need or reason to be more annoying. Makes me wonder why they choose to also be "gamers".

I choose to game to have good times with friends, because I love competition, and I enjoy model building and painting.

But gamers who whine about figures that are vastly more affordable than any other figures out there really take the cake.

I used to work in a game store that had to shut down tournament play ( for 40K, Mechwarrior and Heroclix) because everyone was ordering online at huge discounts instead of supporting the store, which like all game stores operates on thin margins. Cheap gamers kill the hobby and kill gaming. Without a store to play in, people turn to other hobbies.

So yeah, any chance I can to shame cheapskates, I take. #gamershaming.

Not going to touch the LGS v online with a ten foot pole, its actually irrelevent to how cheap gamers are.

Historical gamers tend to remember the good old days when lead figs were .20 cents a model, and they're willing to pay .25 to maybe .50 cents per today, which is wildly unrealistic.

That being said, Warlord repackaging WGF stuff can be a double edged sword - in some cases they'll be putting inferior sculpts under their name brand, and they already get dinged here and there for quality. I'd be upset if I thought these were "Warlord Plastic Indians" and then found out they were the "WGF plastic indians" I didn't like before. Not everyone is going to do huge due diligence before purchasing. On the other, they have a stable of ready to go models, and maybe they can improve the sculpts.

I think no question they will raise prices, which means I won't be buying, the cheapness of WGF was the draw in the first place.

General Hobbs wrote:


I choose to game to have good times with friends, because I love competition, and I enjoy model building and painting.

But gamers who whine about figures that are vastly more affordable than any other figures out there really take the cake.

I used to work in a game store that had to shut down tournament play ( for 40K, Mechwarrior and Heroclix) because everyone was ordering online at huge discounts instead of supporting the store, which like all game stores operates on thin margins. Cheap gamers kill the hobby and kill gaming. Without a store to play in, people turn to other hobbies.

So yeah, any chance I can to shame cheapskates, I take. #gamershaming.

I'm glad your store was shut down and hope the community disbanded. Companies that expect their customers to take it in the wallet so they don't have to work for their sales deserve to die. I support my FLGS because the people working there are not hideous examples of the worst of human nature. But I certainly don't buy the items they refuse to discount when I can get them more than 40% cheaper online. That really would be asking to be treated with disdain.

It's not like I don't already have more minis than I can assemble in the next two decades. With a decreasing hobby budget and more competition, it's pretty laughable when miniatures producers make their products less attractive or remove the impulse buy price points that made the products worth buying in the first place.


The fact is, the price point was a major factor in my WGF custom, the way the Old World was a factor for WHF customers or the metal is a factor for Infinity players. Their post-Tony sculpts were also better than Warlord's, but then so are everybody else's.

 Cruentus wrote:
Not going to touch the LGS v online with a ten foot pole, its actually irrelevent to how cheap gamers are.

Historical gamers tend to remember the good old days when lead figs were .20 cents a model, and they're willing to pay .25 to maybe .50 cents per today, which is wildly unrealistic.

That being said, Warlord repackaging WGF stuff can be a double edged sword - in some cases they'll be putting inferior sculpts under their name brand, and they already get dinged here and there for quality. I'd be upset if I thought these were "Warlord Plastic Indians" and then found out they were the "WGF plastic indians" I didn't like before. Not everyone is going to do huge due diligence before purchasing. On the other, they have a stable of ready to go models, and maybe they can improve the sculpts.

I think no question they will raise prices, which means I won't be buying, the cheapness of WGF was the draw in the first place.

Heh, when I bought my first bag of Minifig Prussians, it was fifteen cents per model.

In lead.

Since then, you had the State of New York deciding that lead models were bad, which led to the use of tin - and the tin market has been leaping for ever higher prices as both China and India went from exporting tin to importing it.

Not all that long ago, one of the owners of Reaper stated that tin prices were unsustainable. That the higher prices for the metal would kill the market.

Shortly thereafter... Bones.

The Auld Grump

Yikes! That response seems a little harsh, BobtheInquisitor. It is tough to make it off miniatures as that 40% discount accounts for almost all the profit margin the seller has. Most stuff is bought at 45-60% retail and sold at MSRP. Etailers don't have the same overhead costs that a B&M has, so they can survive on much thinner margins. But General Hobbs is right- they don't offer the gaming space and support a B&M store (usually) does, either. And without support and somewhere to play most players will abandon the game.

I have also seen it from the retailer perspective- surviving in a niche market with razor thin margins is tough and I would never recommend a hobby game store as a sound business. MTG and similar CCGs is about the best as it takes little space, consistently sells, and has great support. Miniature games are terrible as they have poor margins, require large startup costs (both money and time), need lots of space, and often have poor support.

For miniature players and painters, we are in something of a golden age of choice, though.

I don't game in stores, why would I owe some person who runs a store anything?

 agnosto wrote:
I don't game in stores, why would I owe some person who runs a store anything?

You don't. If you don't play at a store, who cares where you buy?

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 Cruentus wrote:
Not going to touch the LGS v online with a ten foot pole, its actually irrelevent to how cheap gamers are.

Historical gamers tend to remember the good old days when lead figs were .20 cents a model, and they're willing to pay .25 to maybe .50 cents per today, which is wildly unrealistic.

That being said, Warlord repackaging WGF stuff can be a double edged sword - in some cases they'll be putting inferior sculpts under their name brand, and they already get dinged here and there for quality. I'd be upset if I thought these were "Warlord Plastic Indians" and then found out they were the "WGF plastic indians" I didn't like before. Not everyone is going to do huge due diligence before purchasing. On the other, they have a stable of ready to go models, and maybe they can improve the sculpts.

I think no question they will raise prices, which means I won't be buying, the cheapness of WGF was the draw in the first place.

Heh, when I bought my first bag of Minifig Prussians, it was fifteen cents per model.

In lead.

Since then, you had the State of New York deciding that lead models were bad, which led to the use of tin - and the tin market has been leaping for ever higher prices as both China and India went from exporting tin to importing it.

Not all that long ago, one of the owners of Reaper stated that tin prices were unsustainable. That the higher prices for the metal would kill the market.

Shortly thereafter... Bones.

The Auld Grump

Which is concerning for Corvus Belli who are stubbornly sticking to metal. I mean, their stuff is amazingly detailed, but if tin prices push high enough they might find themselves with a range they have to charge too much for and too little time to develop plastics.

I find it weird that Warlord is releasing these wgf sets with so little fanfare. They're really hard to find on the store. There no new tab for wgf, they're just being repackaged under the Warlord name and tucked away out of sight under existing tabs with no announcement as far as i can tell.

You wouldn't even know there was a new release without checking every product range tab regularly.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I find it weird that Warlord is releasing these wgf sets with so little fanfare. They're really hard to find on the store. There no new tab for wgf, they're just being repackaged under the Warlord name and tucked away out of sight under existing tabs with no announcement as far as i can tell.

You wouldn't even know there was a new release without checking every product range tab regularly.

Actually, I am pretty sure they mentioned having Wargames Factory stuff in at least one of their recent email newsletters.

I was so excited when I found the WGF skeletons, they're one of the few kits that actually have naked skeletons, rather than in one of a dozen different types of armor.
As soon as I found them, WGF announced that they were closing their shop and selling through Warlord. That was back in August. So far, the skeletons haven't popped up on Warlord, and I'm starting to lose hope they will.

 jmurph wrote:
Yikes! That response seems a little harsh, BobtheInquisitor. It is tough to make it off miniatures as that 40% discount accounts for almost all the profit margin the seller has. Most stuff is bought at 45-60% retail and sold at MSRP. Etailers don't have the same overhead costs that a B&M has, so they can survive on much thinner margins. But General Hobbs is right- they don't offer the gaming space and support a B&M store (usually) does, either. And without support and somewhere to play most players will abandon the game.

I have also seen it from the retailer perspective- surviving in a niche market with razor thin margins is tough and I would never recommend a hobby game store as a sound business. MTG and similar CCGs is about the best as it takes little space, consistently sells, and has great support. Miniature games are terrible as they have poor margins, require large startup costs (both money and time), need lots of space, and often have poor support.

For miniature players and painters, we are in something of a golden age of choice, though.

For the percentage, it doesn't work that way. If I buy a 100$ item for $75 I got 25% off, but if I bought that same item for $100, I would have spent 33% more than I could have, since. 25 is 33% of 75. Throw in taxes at the FLGS, and I'd be spending more than 40% higher than I would online. For an item with a 30% discount, the retail purchase is almost 43% higher before taxes, and more than 50% after. I guess it's all in how you look at it.

I don't play in a FLGS. I still support a couple of local places because I like to browse and because I like the employees, but I don't use their space or the community. If people stop playing the games that are tied into miniatures I like, on one hand it's a shame that the beloved setting will come to an end before it has jumped the shark, but on the other hand I tend to get great clearance deals at MM. I will promote ranges I enjoy and criticize those that could be better.

As for complaining... In my experience, the customers who are vocal or even strident in their dissatisfactions tend to get what they want while those who only stay positive end up losing out.

I bought almost every plastic kit WGF ever made because they were great deals for small, diverse ranges. I could buy some survivors to sci fi up as terminators or time tracers or superheroes, zombie vixens for the few parts useable to make damaged terminators, some WW2 troops to sci fi up in B5 or Star Wars styles, samurai, Persians, Romans, Vikings, etc. to make fantasy armies, Zulu wars British for not-TOS movie era ish uniforms, etc. Higher prices diminish the appeal, and so do larger boxes with more figures even if they are cheaper per mini, which they won't be. WGF had a winning formula that worked for casual converters, skirmish gamers, RPGers and army builders alike. Now, not so much.

Deadawake1347 wrote:
I was so excited when I found the WGF skeletons, they're one of the few kits that actually have naked skeletons, rather than in one of a dozen different types of armor.
As soon as I found them, WGF announced that they were closing their shop and selling through Warlord. That was back in August. So far, the skeletons haven't popped up on Warlord, and I'm starting to lose hope they will.

The Skeletons are probably their most derided product. Too many thin and fragile components, a nightmare to assemble. At least thats what I've heard, I don't have them myself. I've always thought they'd be more useful for scatter terrain - bone piles, weapon piles and racks etc.

I do quite like the classical Greo-Roman aesthetic, they remind me of the film Jason and the Argonauts (love that film ).

Keep the feet connected when you assemble the model and it becomes a lot easier. While thin parts can be tricky it certainly makes the skeletons look a lot better.

But keeping the feet connected to each other makes it very easy to put together... well easier. All WGF stuff is a bit tougher to assemble usually.

General Hobbs wrote:

I choose to game to have good times with friends, because I love competition, and I enjoy model building and painting.
But gamers who whine about figures that are vastly more affordable than any other figures out there really take the cake.
I used to work in a game store that had to shut down tournament play ( for 40K, Mechwarrior and Heroclix) because everyone was ordering online at huge discounts instead of supporting the store, which like all game stores operates on thin margins. Cheap gamers kill the hobby and kill gaming. Without a store to play in, people turn to other hobbies.
So yeah, any chance I can to shame cheapskates, I take. #gamershaming.

Aside from the fact that people are discussing a totally different thing here...

Enjoy your bitterness. The closest LGS to me is run by a douchebag who when he opened up felt that he was entitled to my business. Nevermind that I'd been ordering online for less, with better service for years before he turned up and never gamed in his store. The place I used to game at, years and years ago (and bought there at the time) is too far away now, and run by unfriendly gaks who have no concept of customer service. Last time I was in the area I wanted to buy some paints and stuff - over $100 worth but the two disinterested guys behind the counter had no concept of customer service and were way too busy talking to each other to serve customers, so I put the stuff back and left. So feth them, too.

I'll shop where I get good service, and for the last more-than-a-few years, that place is online. I just wish these retailers I buy things from online were local to me.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
I don't game in stores, why would I owe some person who runs a store anything?

You don't. If you don't play at a store, who cares where you buy?

Hobbs, apparently. He also thinks he's "shaming" people by being silly and rude on a forum.

Random bits of information: Emailed Warlord, asking about when they were likely to re-release the Amazons, got a reply:

"Unfortunately it will be some time before we will release the Amazons and I can confirm that they will not be released within the next 12 months.

... but yes, we will release them again, eventually."

I kinda hope they're not trying to re-cut the things, its unnecessary (unless they've got an incompatible machine or something), and I rather liked the WGF style nesting sprue. Also, its likely gonna be a LOOOOOOONG while for some things.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
I was so excited when I found the WGF skeletons, they're one of the few kits that actually have naked skeletons, rather than in one of a dozen different types of armor.
As soon as I found them, WGF announced that they were closing their shop and selling through Warlord. That was back in August. So far, the skeletons haven't popped up on Warlord, and I'm starting to lose hope they will.

The Skeletons are probably their most derided product. Too many thin and fragile components, a nightmare to assemble. At least thats what I've heard, I don't have them myself. I've always thought they'd be more useful for scatter terrain - bone piles, weapon piles and racks etc.

I do quite like the classical Greo-Roman aesthetic, they remind me of the film Jason and the Argonauts (love that film ).

Spoiler:

I appreciate the heads up, but I did a bit of research on them before deciding to buy them initially. I'm not overly concerned with the fiddly nature, and much prefer the finished product's thinness.
They look like actual skeletons, rather than the bones being thicker than some parts still covered in flesh like the GW skeletons.
The modeling aspect is quite possibly my favorite part, so I'm willing to put a few extra hours in to get a nice finished product. I've drilled out over thirty PP metal Iron Fang Pikemen and replaced their spear shafts with brass rod, assembled three units of the Nyss Hunters, widely regarded as some of the most frustrating to assemble models in the PP line.
You could say I've been practicing.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
The Skeletons are probably their most derided product. Too many thin and fragile components, a nightmare to assemble. At least thats what I've heard, I don't have them myself. I've always thought they'd be more useful for scatter terrain - bone piles, weapon piles and racks etc.

That's a nice idea - they really do look like they'd be well suited to adding character to other models and terrain, even if they are too fragile to use on their own.

Vejut wrote:
Random bits of information: Emailed Warlord, asking about when they were likely to re-release the Amazons, got a reply:

"Unfortunately it will be some time before we will release the Amazons and I can confirm that they will not be released within the next 12 months.

... but yes, we will release them again, eventually."

I kinda hope they're not trying to re-cut the things, its unnecessary (unless they've got an incompatible machine or something), and I rather liked the WGF style nesting sprue. Also, its likely gonna be a LOOOOOOONG while for some things.

The Amazons each being on their own individual sprues (mine are, anyway) isn't the best design, especially as WLG tend to sell individual sprues and have a certain packaging style that the Amazon (and WLG Greek hoplite/warrior) boxes don't fit well. Anyone know if Warlord picked up WLG's orcs as well?

The retooled skeletons were infinitely more robust than the first release skeletons.

those after the unreleased biker gang stuff it looks like they will be released as part of this being showcased at salute this year

http://www.warlordgames.com/announcement-project-z-zombie-skirmish-game/?utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=8401dd7afd-Warlord_Games_Newsletter_29_January_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed-8401dd7afd-121429846&mc_cid=8401dd7afd&mc_eid=d8a346da42

I've got one of the biker gang sprues and the bike on it is hands down the best bike I've ever seen in injection moulded plastic. The detail and quality is insane.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
those after the unreleased biker gang stuff it looks like they will be released as part of this being showcased at salute this year

http://www.warlordgames.com/announcement-project-z-zombie-skirmish-game/?utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=8401dd7afd-Warlord_Games_Newsletter_29_January_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed-8401dd7afd-121429846&mc_cid=8401dd7afd&mc_eid=d8a346da42

Wow, Warlord is cutting Mantic off hard with that announcement. Dropping this game, complete, might really clip the Walking Dead game at the knees.

I don't think so. The Walking Dead game will attract folks who never heard of Warlord and never see they have a competing game.

 CptJake wrote:
I don't think so. The Walking Dead game will attract folks who never heard of Warlord and never see they have a competing game.

True, but this announcement might deflate the kickstarter a bit I would think. I'd rather put my money toward a company with a better track record with both models and rules, and already have most of the stuff on hand.

 Polonius wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
those after the unreleased biker gang stuff it looks like they will be released as part of this being showcased at salute this year

http://www.warlordgames.com/announcement-project-z-zombie-skirmish-game/?utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=8401dd7afd-Warlord_Games_Newsletter_29_January_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed-8401dd7afd-121429846&mc_cid=8401dd7afd&mc_eid=d8a346da42

Wow, Warlord is cutting Mantic off hard with that announcement. Dropping this game, complete, might really clip the Walking Dead game at the knees.

There are zombie skirmish games out there already though. Some even with plastics.

Yep, when you already have a horde of zombies and several teams of various survivors, and a ton of cool terrain, shelling out for a rule book alone instead of $125 for a Mantic KS will make a lot of sense.

Add in current availability of most Walking Dead character figures or very suitable proxies and the KS becomes even more attractive to that crowd.

But the BGG crowd will see all the Mantic banners, I'm sure the facebook blitz will target fans of The Walking Dead, and they'll still do well with a ton of folks who are not typical (is there such a thing?) miniature gamers.

Yeah, WGF zombies and survivors are quite nice and with Warlord/WGF I know I won't be getting restic vinyl crap.

 legoburner wrote:
I've got one of the biker gang sprues and the bike on it is hands down the best bike I've ever seen in injection moulded plastic. The detail and quality is insane.

Go on.

Sounds like a must have kit for fans of Terminator or Mad Max games.

Looking at the price hikes on DFG and the prices on Warlord, the prices are the same. It isn't as good of a deal as it used to be, but it's not as bad as I feared. The Warlord historicals prices at the FLGS seem higher per mini, but it sounds like that might be a distributor issue...which I hope won't affect the new Warlordgames Factory kits. Either way, I probably won't be buying kits just for the bits anymore.

frozenwastes wrote:
Yeah, WGF zombies and survivors are quite nice and with Warlord/WGF I know I won't be getting restic vinyl crap.

Uhm, I have some of the Wargames Factory zombies... 'quite nice' is an overstatement of staggering proportions.

Remember, the original zombies were one of their early releases - while they got better as time passed, the zeds were not exactly impressive.

I will take Mantic restic over those early zeds. (They were cheap enough to still be worth the price, but they were not 'quite nice'.)

The survivors were much, much better though.

The Auld Grump

'Zombie vixens' too. If you weren't already convinced that objectification in miniature wargames was an ingrained problem... In that case, a bit of repackaging by WG might be a slight improvement all by itself.

Here's hoping the orcs disappear into a black hole, altogether.

There has been a small price increase on the Warlord branded Wargames Factory kits.

Previously, the WGF 30-man AWI plastics were MSRP $24.95. Warlord is selling them for $29.00 MSRP.

However, the Warlord kit also includes a 4-page full color background/painting guide and eight color flags commissioned from and designed by renowned flag expert Dr. Lesley Prince (http://www.lesleyprince.com/)


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Link to official Project Z announcement thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/678174.page

New plastic male zombies, new plastic motorcycle/biker gang



Image showing new plastic Special Operations US Soldier w/ AT4




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 Vermis wrote:
Here's hoping the orcs disappear into a black hole, altogether.

Really? I love their orcs. They are the only models that match Angus McBride's wonderful illustrations of orcs from the Lord of the Rings novels:

 judgedoug wrote:
There has been a small price increase on the Warlord branded Wargames Factory kits.

Previously, the WGF 30-man AWI plastics were MSRP $24.95. Warlord is selling them for $29.00 MSRP.

When did that happen? I remember buying those boxes for $20. When the Russians came out, they upped the price to $22.50 or so. Not trying to argue, her, but wondering just how long those WGF kits stayed on the shelf at the FLGS...

General Hobbs wrote:


I choose to game to have good times with friends, because I love competition, and I enjoy model building and painting.

But gamers who whine about figures that are vastly more affordable than any other figures out there really take the cake.

I used to work in a game store that had to shut down tournament play ( for 40K, Mechwarrior and Heroclix) because everyone was ordering online at huge discounts instead of supporting the store, which like all game stores operates on thin margins. Cheap gamers kill the hobby and kill gaming. Without a store to play in, people turn to other hobbies.

So yeah, any chance I can to shame cheapskates, I take. #gamershaming.

Yeah! Shame them stinkin' poors, how dare they think they're worthy to do anything more than lick the dirt from the diamond-encrusted gold-plated ivory backscratchers of real gamers!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
There has been a small price increase on the Warlord branded Wargames Factory kits.

Previously, the WGF 30-man AWI plastics were MSRP $24.95. Warlord is selling them for $29.00 MSRP.

When did that happen? I remember buying those boxes for $20. When the Russians came out, they upped the price to $22.50 or so. Not trying to argue, her, but wondering just how long those WGF kits stayed on the shelf at the FLGS...

All of the AWI kits came out at MSRP 24.95 price point. Ref facebook post 2014 for AWI militia, 30 figures for $24.95 MSRP https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152058640146059.1073741847.334302786058&type=3

So the Warlord kits are $4.05 more expensive, but do have the included color mini-book with color regimental flags.

 judgedoug wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
There has been a small price increase on the Warlord branded Wargames Factory kits.

Previously, the WGF 30-man AWI plastics were MSRP $24.95. Warlord is selling them for $29.00 MSRP.

When did that happen? I remember buying those boxes for $20. When the Russians came out, they upped the price to $22.50 or so. Not trying to argue, her, but wondering just how long those WGF kits stayed on the shelf at the FLGS...

All of the AWI kits came out at MSRP 24.95 price point.

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Ah. That explains it. The only AWI kit I was interested in was the Woodland Indians kit, and I never saw it in the store.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Ah. That explains it. The only AWI kit I was interested in was the Woodland Indians kit, and I never saw it in the store.

Huh, interesting - Woodland Indians were also $24.95 MSRP for 24 figs when they were released - and the Warlord price is 25.50 for 24 figs - so an extra 55 cents for a 2 page booklet (but no flags).

Far less of a price increase than I figured, honestly. And being in Warlord distro keeps them at discount at Miniature Market and NWS ...

 Yodhrin wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


I choose to game to have good times with friends, because I love competition, and I enjoy model building and painting.

But gamers who whine about figures that are vastly more affordable than any other figures out there really take the cake.

I used to work in a game store that had to shut down tournament play ( for 40K, Mechwarrior and Heroclix) because everyone was ordering online at huge discounts instead of supporting the store, which like all game stores operates on thin margins. Cheap gamers kill the hobby and kill gaming. Without a store to play in, people turn to other hobbies.

So yeah, any chance I can to shame cheapskates, I take. #gamershaming.

Yeah! Shame them stinkin' poors, how dare they think they're worthy to do anything more than lick the dirt from the diamond-encrusted gold-plated ivory backscratchers of real gamers!

Explains GW in a nutshell, right there....

The Auld Grump

They are the only models that match Angus McBride's wonderful illustrations of orcs from the Lord of the Rings novels:

Yup. That's part of the problem. That these models are the only wargaming representation of that illustration style. Backwards torsos, stiff limbs, mitten hands an' all.

 Vermis wrote:

They are the only models that match Angus McBride's wonderful illustrations of orcs from the Lord of the Rings novels:

Yup. That's part of the problem. That these models are the only wargaming representation of that illustration style. Backwards torsos, stiff limbs, mitten hands an' all.

Shrug, dropped ten bucks on a box to use as Orc Sniffs/Skulks in my KoW army, fun to assemble, paint, and look the part.

 Polonius wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
I don't think so. The Walking Dead game will attract folks who never heard of Warlord and never see they have a competing game.

True, but this announcement might deflate the kickstarter a bit I would think. I'd rather put my money toward a company with a better track record with both models and rules, and already have most of the stuff on hand.

Warlord also sends me what I ordered, first time - most of the time. When they make a mistake, it's fixed within a day or three at the most rather than several months later.

Thats what orcs should look like......grey skinned, evil bestial ape men. Not green gorillas grown from fungi.


So...are the horns on those orc's helmets...part of the helmet, or are they part of the orc and the helmet has holes that let them through.....

General Hobbs wrote:

Thats what orcs should look like......grey skinned, evil bestial mitten-handed back-to-front-torso'd ape men.

Fixed that for you.

This is the thing, but. Being based on a familiar illustration and not following the overdone green gorilla trope is not really enough if the final product is still wonky-looking.
It's like some reactions to criticism of the new Star Wars film - "Oh, well, you have to look at it as setting up for the next movies. But look! Death Stars! Trench runs! Critical but overly vulnerable techy doodads!" I don't want 'oh well, tenuous mental-gymnastics context' and 'hey doesn't this remind you of this thing from that older better-made thing' bits, not if they're going to excuse the final product from being needlessly flawed in itself.

We could use some more Tolkienish (even McBridish) orcs in wargaming, as some tiny counterpoint to the storm of fangy Hulks. Wargames Factory orcs weren't it.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Companies that expect their customers to take it in the wallet so they don't have to work for their sales deserve to die. I support my FLGS because the people working there are not hideous examples of the worst of human nature. But I certainly don't buy the items they refuse to discount when I can get them more than 40% cheaper online. That really would be asking to be treated with disdain.

If you don't game at the FLGS that's fine. No one should expect you to support them and you certainly have no moral obligation to pay high prices. Even though I like to support my local store I have bought stuff online, usually when a particular shop made it too painful to special order items, or just refused to do so all together.

Its the people who do play at the FLGS but buy all their games and miniatures online who I have nothing but contempt for. Sure, even if the FLGS offers a discount, the local store is probably selling their stock for more than you can find it online. Part of that extra cost, however, is maintaining a gaming space for their customers. That non-retail square footage costs them money but does not offer direct profit. If someone games there but does not buy their, they are leaches taking advantage of the store and the gamers who actually support it. This leads to B&M shops shutting down, or charging everyone to use their gaming tables.

Not sure where you are from, and I understand that the gaming scene in the UK is quite different but in my experience in the US, FLGSs are centers of gaming and player recruitment. Sure, a percentage of players strictly play at home within a small circle of friends, but I think the majority play in game shops and if all the local shops closed down in favor of online shopping, it would make for a poorer gaming community, IMO.

Deadawake1347 wrote:
I was so excited when I found the WGF skeletons, they're one of the few kits that actually have naked skeletons, rather than in one of a dozen different types of armor.
As soon as I found them, WGF announced that they were closing their shop and selling through Warlord. That was back in August. So far, the skeletons haven't popped up on Warlord, and I'm starting to lose hope they will.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

The Skeletons are probably their most derided product. Too many thin and fragile components, a nightmare to assemble. At least thats what I've heard, I don't have them myself. I've always thought they'd be more useful for scatter terrain - bone piles, weapon piles and racks etc.

I do quite like the classical Greo-Roman aesthetic, they remind me of the film Jason and the Argonauts (love that film ).

Spoiler:

I love the skeletons!
If Wargames Factory had one thing that interested me, it was those. I think they're so versatile for adding to terrain, bases, modifying other mini's, even my partner asked me to make up a few for her display shelf. Skeletons have a universal sort of attraction, everyone can relate to them.

If the skeletons disappear from sale altogether I'm going to be seriously annoyed.

The skeletons are great. I use them in my KoW Undead army. Super easy to paint up.

 Chrissy_J wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
I was so excited when I found the WGF skeletons, they're one of the few kits that actually have naked skeletons, rather than in one of a dozen different types of armor.
As soon as I found them, WGF announced that they were closing their shop and selling through Warlord. That was back in August. So far, the skeletons haven't popped up on Warlord, and I'm starting to lose hope they will.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

The Skeletons are probably their most derided product. Too many thin and fragile components, a nightmare to assemble. At least thats what I've heard, I don't have them myself. I've always thought they'd be more useful for scatter terrain - bone piles, weapon piles and racks etc.

I do quite like the classical Greo-Roman aesthetic, they remind me of the film Jason and the Argonauts (love that film ).

Spoiler:

I love the skeletons!
If Wargames Factory had one thing that interested me, it was those. I think they're so versatile for adding to terrain, bases, modifying other mini's, even my partner asked me to make up a few for her display shelf. Skeletons have a universal sort of attraction, everyone can relate to them.

If the skeletons disappear from sale altogether I'm going to be seriously annoyed.

I am fairly certain that there were two runs of the skellies - with the second run correcting some of the more grievous problems.

The reputation that the figures picked up for that first run lingered after many of the causes for the derision were fixed.

I have the older, uncorrected, skeletons - and they are great for terrain. And, if you like fiddling with tiny bits, not at all bad for customizing.

The orcs, on the other hand, are just not that good. Heads are okay, hands... not so much, reversible torsos... that look wrong either way you use them.

The Auld Grump

Pics of the special forces sprues are up in News and Rumors.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/678174.page

Looking really good!

Glad they're still going to see the light of day.

They look good enough to make me want to redo my sci fi RPG rules....those guys would be perfect non GW human infantry, and cheap to buy!

I know this is a slight necro, but I don't know if people saw that the samurai sprues were up for sale. Warlord has a new tab for 'Feudal Japan" under Pike and shotte.

http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/feudal-japan-1467-1603

Thanks, looks like Woodland Indians and Colonial Militia are back too.

http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/american-war-of-independence-1776-1783