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The retooled skeletons were infinitely more robust than the first release skeletons.

those after the unreleased biker gang stuff it looks like they will be released as part of this being showcased at salute this year

http://www.warlordgames.com/announcement-project-z-zombie-skirmish-game/?utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=8401dd7afd-Warlord_Games_Newsletter_29_January_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed-8401dd7afd-121429846&mc_cid=8401dd7afd&mc_eid=d8a346da42

I've got one of the biker gang sprues and the bike on it is hands down the best bike I've ever seen in injection moulded plastic. The detail and quality is insane.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
those after the unreleased biker gang stuff it looks like they will be released as part of this being showcased at salute this year

http://www.warlordgames.com/announcement-project-z-zombie-skirmish-game/?utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=8401dd7afd-Warlord_Games_Newsletter_29_January_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed-8401dd7afd-121429846&mc_cid=8401dd7afd&mc_eid=d8a346da42

Wow, Warlord is cutting Mantic off hard with that announcement. Dropping this game, complete, might really clip the Walking Dead game at the knees.

I don't think so. The Walking Dead game will attract folks who never heard of Warlord and never see they have a competing game.

 CptJake wrote:
I don't think so. The Walking Dead game will attract folks who never heard of Warlord and never see they have a competing game.

True, but this announcement might deflate the kickstarter a bit I would think. I'd rather put my money toward a company with a better track record with both models and rules, and already have most of the stuff on hand.

 Polonius wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
those after the unreleased biker gang stuff it looks like they will be released as part of this being showcased at salute this year

http://www.warlordgames.com/announcement-project-z-zombie-skirmish-game/?utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=8401dd7afd-Warlord_Games_Newsletter_29_January_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed-8401dd7afd-121429846&mc_cid=8401dd7afd&mc_eid=d8a346da42

Wow, Warlord is cutting Mantic off hard with that announcement. Dropping this game, complete, might really clip the Walking Dead game at the knees.

There are zombie skirmish games out there already though. Some even with plastics.

Yep, when you already have a horde of zombies and several teams of various survivors, and a ton of cool terrain, shelling out for a rule book alone instead of $125 for a Mantic KS will make a lot of sense.

Add in current availability of most Walking Dead character figures or very suitable proxies and the KS becomes even more attractive to that crowd.

But the BGG crowd will see all the Mantic banners, I'm sure the facebook blitz will target fans of The Walking Dead, and they'll still do well with a ton of folks who are not typical (is there such a thing?) miniature gamers.

Yeah, WGF zombies and survivors are quite nice and with Warlord/WGF I know I won't be getting restic vinyl crap.

 legoburner wrote:
I've got one of the biker gang sprues and the bike on it is hands down the best bike I've ever seen in injection moulded plastic. The detail and quality is insane.

Go on.

Sounds like a must have kit for fans of Terminator or Mad Max games.

Looking at the price hikes on DFG and the prices on Warlord, the prices are the same. It isn't as good of a deal as it used to be, but it's not as bad as I feared. The Warlord historicals prices at the FLGS seem higher per mini, but it sounds like that might be a distributor issue...which I hope won't affect the new Warlordgames Factory kits. Either way, I probably won't be buying kits just for the bits anymore.

frozenwastes wrote:
Yeah, WGF zombies and survivors are quite nice and with Warlord/WGF I know I won't be getting restic vinyl crap.

Uhm, I have some of the Wargames Factory zombies... 'quite nice' is an overstatement of staggering proportions.

Remember, the original zombies were one of their early releases - while they got better as time passed, the zeds were not exactly impressive.

I will take Mantic restic over those early zeds. (They were cheap enough to still be worth the price, but they were not 'quite nice'.)

The survivors were much, much better though.

The Auld Grump

'Zombie vixens' too. If you weren't already convinced that objectification in miniature wargames was an ingrained problem... In that case, a bit of repackaging by WG might be a slight improvement all by itself.

Here's hoping the orcs disappear into a black hole, altogether.

There has been a small price increase on the Warlord branded Wargames Factory kits.

Previously, the WGF 30-man AWI plastics were MSRP $24.95. Warlord is selling them for $29.00 MSRP.

However, the Warlord kit also includes a 4-page full color background/painting guide and eight color flags commissioned from and designed by renowned flag expert Dr. Lesley Prince (http://www.lesleyprince.com/)


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Link to official Project Z announcement thread http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/678174.page

New plastic male zombies, new plastic motorcycle/biker gang



Image showing new plastic Special Operations US Soldier w/ AT4




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 Vermis wrote:
Here's hoping the orcs disappear into a black hole, altogether.

Really? I love their orcs. They are the only models that match Angus McBride's wonderful illustrations of orcs from the Lord of the Rings novels:

 judgedoug wrote:
There has been a small price increase on the Warlord branded Wargames Factory kits.

Previously, the WGF 30-man AWI plastics were MSRP $24.95. Warlord is selling them for $29.00 MSRP.

When did that happen? I remember buying those boxes for $20. When the Russians came out, they upped the price to $22.50 or so. Not trying to argue, her, but wondering just how long those WGF kits stayed on the shelf at the FLGS...

General Hobbs wrote:


I choose to game to have good times with friends, because I love competition, and I enjoy model building and painting.

But gamers who whine about figures that are vastly more affordable than any other figures out there really take the cake.

I used to work in a game store that had to shut down tournament play ( for 40K, Mechwarrior and Heroclix) because everyone was ordering online at huge discounts instead of supporting the store, which like all game stores operates on thin margins. Cheap gamers kill the hobby and kill gaming. Without a store to play in, people turn to other hobbies.

So yeah, any chance I can to shame cheapskates, I take. #gamershaming.

Yeah! Shame them stinkin' poors, how dare they think they're worthy to do anything more than lick the dirt from the diamond-encrusted gold-plated ivory backscratchers of real gamers!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
There has been a small price increase on the Warlord branded Wargames Factory kits.

Previously, the WGF 30-man AWI plastics were MSRP $24.95. Warlord is selling them for $29.00 MSRP.

When did that happen? I remember buying those boxes for $20. When the Russians came out, they upped the price to $22.50 or so. Not trying to argue, her, but wondering just how long those WGF kits stayed on the shelf at the FLGS...

All of the AWI kits came out at MSRP 24.95 price point. Ref facebook post 2014 for AWI militia, 30 figures for $24.95 MSRP https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152058640146059.1073741847.334302786058&type=3

So the Warlord kits are $4.05 more expensive, but do have the included color mini-book with color regimental flags.

 judgedoug wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
There has been a small price increase on the Warlord branded Wargames Factory kits.

Previously, the WGF 30-man AWI plastics were MSRP $24.95. Warlord is selling them for $29.00 MSRP.

When did that happen? I remember buying those boxes for $20. When the Russians came out, they upped the price to $22.50 or so. Not trying to argue, her, but wondering just how long those WGF kits stayed on the shelf at the FLGS...

All of the AWI kits came out at MSRP 24.95 price point.

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Ah. That explains it. The only AWI kit I was interested in was the Woodland Indians kit, and I never saw it in the store.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Ah. That explains it. The only AWI kit I was interested in was the Woodland Indians kit, and I never saw it in the store.

Huh, interesting - Woodland Indians were also $24.95 MSRP for 24 figs when they were released - and the Warlord price is 25.50 for 24 figs - so an extra 55 cents for a 2 page booklet (but no flags).

Far less of a price increase than I figured, honestly. And being in Warlord distro keeps them at discount at Miniature Market and NWS ...

 Yodhrin wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


I choose to game to have good times with friends, because I love competition, and I enjoy model building and painting.

But gamers who whine about figures that are vastly more affordable than any other figures out there really take the cake.

I used to work in a game store that had to shut down tournament play ( for 40K, Mechwarrior and Heroclix) because everyone was ordering online at huge discounts instead of supporting the store, which like all game stores operates on thin margins. Cheap gamers kill the hobby and kill gaming. Without a store to play in, people turn to other hobbies.

So yeah, any chance I can to shame cheapskates, I take. #gamershaming.

Yeah! Shame them stinkin' poors, how dare they think they're worthy to do anything more than lick the dirt from the diamond-encrusted gold-plated ivory backscratchers of real gamers!

Explains GW in a nutshell, right there....

The Auld Grump

They are the only models that match Angus McBride's wonderful illustrations of orcs from the Lord of the Rings novels:

Yup. That's part of the problem. That these models are the only wargaming representation of that illustration style. Backwards torsos, stiff limbs, mitten hands an' all.

 Vermis wrote:

They are the only models that match Angus McBride's wonderful illustrations of orcs from the Lord of the Rings novels:

Yup. That's part of the problem. That these models are the only wargaming representation of that illustration style. Backwards torsos, stiff limbs, mitten hands an' all.

Shrug, dropped ten bucks on a box to use as Orc Sniffs/Skulks in my KoW army, fun to assemble, paint, and look the part.

 Polonius wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
I don't think so. The Walking Dead game will attract folks who never heard of Warlord and never see they have a competing game.

True, but this announcement might deflate the kickstarter a bit I would think. I'd rather put my money toward a company with a better track record with both models and rules, and already have most of the stuff on hand.

Warlord also sends me what I ordered, first time - most of the time. When they make a mistake, it's fixed within a day or three at the most rather than several months later.

Thats what orcs should look like......grey skinned, evil bestial ape men. Not green gorillas grown from fungi.


So...are the horns on those orc's helmets...part of the helmet, or are they part of the orc and the helmet has holes that let them through.....

General Hobbs wrote:

Thats what orcs should look like......grey skinned, evil bestial mitten-handed back-to-front-torso'd ape men.

Fixed that for you.

This is the thing, but. Being based on a familiar illustration and not following the overdone green gorilla trope is not really enough if the final product is still wonky-looking.
It's like some reactions to criticism of the new Star Wars film - "Oh, well, you have to look at it as setting up for the next movies. But look! Death Stars! Trench runs! Critical but overly vulnerable techy doodads!" I don't want 'oh well, tenuous mental-gymnastics context' and 'hey doesn't this remind you of this thing from that older better-made thing' bits, not if they're going to excuse the final product from being needlessly flawed in itself.

We could use some more Tolkienish (even McBridish) orcs in wargaming, as some tiny counterpoint to the storm of fangy Hulks. Wargames Factory orcs weren't it.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Companies that expect their customers to take it in the wallet so they don't have to work for their sales deserve to die. I support my FLGS because the people working there are not hideous examples of the worst of human nature. But I certainly don't buy the items they refuse to discount when I can get them more than 40% cheaper online. That really would be asking to be treated with disdain.

If you don't game at the FLGS that's fine. No one should expect you to support them and you certainly have no moral obligation to pay high prices. Even though I like to support my local store I have bought stuff online, usually when a particular shop made it too painful to special order items, or just refused to do so all together.

Its the people who do play at the FLGS but buy all their games and miniatures online who I have nothing but contempt for. Sure, even if the FLGS offers a discount, the local store is probably selling their stock for more than you can find it online. Part of that extra cost, however, is maintaining a gaming space for their customers. That non-retail square footage costs them money but does not offer direct profit. If someone games there but does not buy their, they are leaches taking advantage of the store and the gamers who actually support it. This leads to B&M shops shutting down, or charging everyone to use their gaming tables.

Not sure where you are from, and I understand that the gaming scene in the UK is quite different but in my experience in the US, FLGSs are centers of gaming and player recruitment. Sure, a percentage of players strictly play at home within a small circle of friends, but I think the majority play in game shops and if all the local shops closed down in favor of online shopping, it would make for a poorer gaming community, IMO.

Deadawake1347 wrote:
I was so excited when I found the WGF skeletons, they're one of the few kits that actually have naked skeletons, rather than in one of a dozen different types of armor.
As soon as I found them, WGF announced that they were closing their shop and selling through Warlord. That was back in August. So far, the skeletons haven't popped up on Warlord, and I'm starting to lose hope they will.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

The Skeletons are probably their most derided product. Too many thin and fragile components, a nightmare to assemble. At least thats what I've heard, I don't have them myself. I've always thought they'd be more useful for scatter terrain - bone piles, weapon piles and racks etc.

I do quite like the classical Greo-Roman aesthetic, they remind me of the film Jason and the Argonauts (love that film ).

Spoiler:

I love the skeletons!
If Wargames Factory had one thing that interested me, it was those. I think they're so versatile for adding to terrain, bases, modifying other mini's, even my partner asked me to make up a few for her display shelf. Skeletons have a universal sort of attraction, everyone can relate to them.

If the skeletons disappear from sale altogether I'm going to be seriously annoyed.

The skeletons are great. I use them in my KoW Undead army. Super easy to paint up.

 Chrissy_J wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
I was so excited when I found the WGF skeletons, they're one of the few kits that actually have naked skeletons, rather than in one of a dozen different types of armor.
As soon as I found them, WGF announced that they were closing their shop and selling through Warlord. That was back in August. So far, the skeletons haven't popped up on Warlord, and I'm starting to lose hope they will.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

The Skeletons are probably their most derided product. Too many thin and fragile components, a nightmare to assemble. At least thats what I've heard, I don't have them myself. I've always thought they'd be more useful for scatter terrain - bone piles, weapon piles and racks etc.

I do quite like the classical Greo-Roman aesthetic, they remind me of the film Jason and the Argonauts (love that film ).

Spoiler:

I love the skeletons!
If Wargames Factory had one thing that interested me, it was those. I think they're so versatile for adding to terrain, bases, modifying other mini's, even my partner asked me to make up a few for her display shelf. Skeletons have a universal sort of attraction, everyone can relate to them.

If the skeletons disappear from sale altogether I'm going to be seriously annoyed.

I am fairly certain that there were two runs of the skellies - with the second run correcting some of the more grievous problems.

The reputation that the figures picked up for that first run lingered after many of the causes for the derision were fixed.

I have the older, uncorrected, skeletons - and they are great for terrain. And, if you like fiddling with tiny bits, not at all bad for customizing.

The orcs, on the other hand, are just not that good. Heads are okay, hands... not so much, reversible torsos... that look wrong either way you use them.

The Auld Grump

Pics of the special forces sprues are up in News and Rumors.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/678174.page

Looking really good!

Glad they're still going to see the light of day.

They look good enough to make me want to redo my sci fi RPG rules....those guys would be perfect non GW human infantry, and cheap to buy!