"An incredibly durable carry case designed to keep your Citadel miniatures safe in extreme conditions, the ‘Ard Case is the ultimate solution to the age-old problem: how do you transport delicate miniatures to and from games over longer distances? Luggage holds on aircraft and boots of cars aren’t the most forgiving of spaces, after all.
Enter the Citadel ‘Ardcase! Capable of withstanding the weight of a car, moulded from the most durable plastic we could get our hands on, it features the same channel foam interior as our Crusade case (and can hold two-thirds of the miniatures), impressively strong clasps to hold the case closed in extreme conditions and even a pressure release valve, designed to make transportation in aircraft holds easy! "
I'm impressed by the quality of the video more than anything else. It's fun, there's some decent music, they hit the case with a god damned sword. This is an ad that makes me want to buy this kind of case. Maybe GW is learning how advertisement works, and can improve sales.
"Now for only 4 times the price of our older, bigger cases that had better foam and held more minis and also probably never came face to face with swords, baseball bats or sledge hammers in the first place!"
H.B.M.C. wrote: "Now for only 4 times the price of our older, bigger cases that probably never came face to face with swords, baseball bats or sledge hammers anyway!"
Good point, seemed like a great case for carrying around Warjacks, but not at that price.
H.B.M.C. wrote: "Now for only 4 times the price of our older, bigger cases that had better foam and held more minis and also probably never came face to face with swords, baseball bats or sledge hammers in the first place!"
Who doesn't have their mini case get hit by a baseball bat at least 2 times a month? Now the real question is can it stop a bullet?
$135 doesn't seem too painful of a price. I've thinking about getting a neweek Hardcastle. All I have is the one that is shaped like a vortex grenade case. Cool looking and pretty nice but way too damn bulky.
Zywus wrote: BTW, why would you need a pressure release valve on your case when flying? Does the differences in air pressure mess with the foam or something?
I doubt it has anything to do with the foam or your miniatures. It's reasonably common on air tight cases to have a pressure release valve. If you close the case on the ground and then go up in altitude, the case will be pressurised and want to pop open, I've been told this can damage some sensitive optics (if you were carrying sensitive optics). Likewise when you come back down to earth, the case will be under a vacuum and may be difficult to open without releasing the pressure valve.
In some cases the idea behind the pressure release is to minimise pressure differentials between the case and atmosphere while minimising the moisture that gets in. I doubt that's a concern on a wargaming case though.
They're common on air-tight gun cases or camera cases.
H.B.M.C. wrote: "Now for only 4 times the price of our older, bigger cases that had better foam and held more minis and also probably never came face to face with swords, baseball bats or sledge hammers in the first place!"
fun
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noun
1. Enjoyment, amusement, or light-hearted pleasure.
"the children were having fun in the play area"
synonyms: pleasure, entertainment, enjoyment, amusement, excitement, gratification
Have you ever had fun? Have you ever just...let yourself enjoy something? Or do you have to take everything and put it thrice through a filter of cynicism and smarmy holier-than-thou "I'm a better nerd than you' bullgak?
Just...ugh. You always do this, you take something that people might show genuine enthusiasm for and just...ruin it. Why can't you just be happy, for once? Why can't you let other people be happy? Does it genuinely pain you to see people being positive about something you (shock-horror!) dislike?
I know you won't care, mainly because at this point I think you've forgotten how, but this is the last straw for me. You and your hate-filled smug cronies have ruined this forum, so after four years I'm off. Maybe I'll find a place where people can actually enjoy themselves.
So well done, H.B.M.C - you've gotten one step closer in achieving your dream of turning DakkaDakka into a hate-filled dystopic wasteland where no one has fun and everything sucks. I salute your incessant ability to see the negative side of literally anything that ever happens.
Dr. Delorean wrote: So well done, H.B.M.C - you've gotten one step closer in achieving your dream of turning DakkaDakka into a hate-filled dystopic wasteland where no one has fun and everything sucks. I salute your incessant ability to see the negative side of literally anything that ever happens.
Talk about overreacting.
The damned thing's over AUD$250 and is smaller/holds less than equivalent cases from a few years ago.
This design looks just like a pelican case and they can be pretty pricey. The pressure relief valve is for those of us that use hard sealed cases like this for electronics and optics. Not much value of that for models but actually if carrying paint in your case it will help with that.
Dr. Delorean wrote: So well done, H.B.M.C - you've gotten one step closer in achieving your dream of turning DakkaDakka into a hate-filled dystopic wasteland where no one has fun and everything sucks. I salute your incessant ability to see the negative side of literally anything that ever happens.
Talk about overreacting.
The damned thing's over AUD$250 and is smaller/holds less than equivalent cases from a few years ago.
Over reacting sure but I agree with the sentiment. There is no reason for the automatic response to anything to be focusing on the negative to the point of cynicism and "witty" mockery.
I don't have a use for this personally but given how I see some people treat their models/cases it's a good idea.
It'll remain the best response so long as the prices in dollarydoos continue to accelerate beyond absurdly high, and into "if they're going to make up numbers like these, maybe they should start running for office, as the Tory party always needs new people with imaginative views on money"
NoggintheNog wrote: Seems like a copy of the video battlefoam put out when they launched their hard cases.
I seem to remember them driving over one with a truck too.
Well, it's because their aren't as many trucks in the UK as their is in 'merica. So they designed it for the road conditions of the UK then the truck laden roads of 'merica.
I wonder if anyone has ever heard the "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all" line before.
That said, I think I'll get one...I'm an awful clutz when it comes to my minis...and have some pretty bad luck - so yeah, think this is a worthwhile but for me.
Frankenberry wrote: I wonder if anyone has ever heard the "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all" line before.
That said, I think I'll get one...I'm an awful clutz when it comes to my minis...and have some pretty bad luck - so yeah, think this is a worthwhile but for me.
Dakka sure would be nicer place for people that just want to enjoy their hobby of choice, if people remembered that.
Dr. Delorean wrote: So well done, H.B.M.C - you've gotten one step closer in achieving your dream of turning DakkaDakka into a hate-filled dystopic wasteland where no one has fun and everything sucks. I salute your incessant ability to see the negative side of literally anything that ever happens.
Talk about overreacting.
The damned thing's over AUD$250 and is smaller/holds less than equivalent cases from a few years ago.
Over reacting sure but I agree with the sentiment. There is no reason for the automatic response to anything to be focusing on the negative to the point of cynicism and "witty" mockery.
I don't have a use for this personally but given how I see some people treat their models/cases it's a good idea.
No reason except that's what he thinks and this is a discussion forum where we all share what we think about news and/or rumours? If you really can't handle people taking a different, perhaps even negative view of a new release, you should probably follow Mr Positive's example there and retreat to wherever one goes to avoid ever seeing anything you disagree with.(I assume an entirely isolated underground bunker?).
Frankenberry wrote: I wonder if anyone has ever heard the "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all" line before.
That said, I think I'll get one...I'm an awful clutz when it comes to my minis...and have some pretty bad luck - so yeah, think this is a worthwhile but for me.
Dakka sure would be nicer place for people that just want to enjoy their hobby of choice, if people remembered that.
So their hobby is hanging out on Internet forums where someone says something and everyone agrees?
Because my hobby is painting miniatures and tabletop gaming, and I come to Dakka to engage in discussion about my hobby. It would be an entirely more boring and less informative place if it were as you describe. I'd much rather it remains a place where I can challenge other people's opinions and have mine challenged in turn.
My opinion on people whose sensibilities are so fragile that they can't handle a negative opinion of something they like is that Dakka is better off without them.
Agree with sentiment in this thread. Few people like to hang around negative nancies/overly sarcastic/constantly critical people in real life. They have more of a home on the internet. They like to think of it as this grand debate, but in real life, those people are just annoying and not fun to be around.
Agree with sentiment in this thread. Few people like to hang around negative nancies/overly sarcastic/constantly critical people in real life. They have more of a home on the internet. They like to think of it as this grand debate, but in real life, those people are just annoying and not fun to be around.
That's a general statement though.
It's a good job that most people have differing opinions on different things then eh?
Very few are unilaterally positive or negative about everything all the time, it's what contributes to making them fully fledged, rounded personalities and what facilitates discussions.
People who are relentlessly positive all the time are just as wearing IRL as they are online, just as those the are unrelentingly negative.
Of course, were people to label other characters with a broad brush rather than take the time to appreciate the nuances, then one may come to the conclusion they were "negative nancies." It's just that in many cases that conclusion would be incorrect.
Dr. Delorean wrote: So well done, H.B.M.C - you've gotten one step closer in achieving your dream of turning DakkaDakka into a hate-filled dystopic wasteland where no one has fun and everything sucks. I salute your incessant ability to see the negative side of literally anything that ever happens.
Talk about overreacting.
The damned thing's over AUD$250 and is smaller/holds less than equivalent cases from a few years ago.
It's clearly a rebadged camera case, and as has been mentioned, those things are not bloody cheap. - edit - it's a rebadged Duratool waterproof tool box with GW foam inside.
So, just like all of GW's tools: slap a GW logo on it, double the price, collect easy money from people who don't know about all of the non-GW options.
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MajorWesJanson wrote: There is no reason for the automatic response to anything to be focusing on the negative to the point of cynicism and "witty" mockery.
I don't have a use for this personally but given how I see some people treat their models/cases it's a good idea.
Except in this case the cynicism and mockery is entirely justified. This is just another case (no pun intended) of GW taking a product manufactured by someone else, sticking a GW logo on it, and adding a ridiculous markup. There is absolutely no reason to even consider buying the GW case unless you really hate having money. So yes, when GW tries to sell a terrible product with a bunch of "cool" music and a guy hitting it with a sword I think it's fair to mock them them for it.
I got a fething Battlefoam 1520XL for what they're asking in Australia. Granted it's not sword proof, but considering the amount of sword weilding psycopaths I run across I think I can safely assume that protection isn't needed.
Peregrine wrote: Except in this case the cynicism and mockery is entirely justified. This is just another case (no pun intended) of GW taking a product manufactured by someone else, sticking a GW logo on it, and adding a ridiculous markup. There is absolutely no reason to even consider buying the GW case unless you really hate having money. So yes, when GW tries to sell a terrible product with a bunch of "cool" music and a guy hitting it with a sword I think it's fair to mock them them for it.
Criticism is entirely justified. Constant cynicism and mockery, especially by the same posters, is just grating. The first is helpful to inform others, while the latter just comes across as an ego boost or show of pride to put down others (in this case GW).
True, it's the internet, but tone matters. And the point on nuance is valid. The ignore feature would make life more pleasant here, but at the cost of losing out on a number of informational and interesting posts by the same people.
Are there other manufacturers who do the zig-zag foam that GW’s putting out these days? While you might be able to get this case with pluck foam, if you really like their new system, there aren’t a lot of options. I recall when they came out with their new cases they were pricy, but not over the top compared to the other major case manufactures.
I will agree that the GW markup for putting their name on things is a little much. But with the exception of the glue, which I’ve never heard much good about, generally the quality of their tools is solid. Overpriced, but acceptable.
That's pretty bad, sticking some foam in an off the shelf case and tripling the price - but the zig-zag foam *is* pretty great. Third parties definitely need to start supplying that same foam.
Pluck foam is good for big stuff, not for infantry though.
GW's zig zag foam does seem like a good idea to me, hopefully someone else starts manufacturing it and sells it cheaply.
GW trying to sell it for $135US is laughable. Trying to sell it for $265AUD is worthy of mockery. Any Australian who buys this should be ashamed, an act which should require shredding of your citizenship.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Trying to sell it for $265AUD is worthy of mockery. Any Australian who buys this should be ashamed, an act which should require shredding of your citizenship.
I'm going to assume that for the price, the case is Drop Bear proof as well.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: Trying to sell it for $265AUD is worthy of mockery. Any Australian who buys this should be ashamed, an act which should require shredding of your citizenship.
I'm going to assume that for the price, the case is Drop Bear proof as well.
Everyone knows there's no such thing as Drop Bear proof. It's just not possible. You need your pet Dingo to keep an eye out for the Drop Bears and then just avoid them as you're riding your Kangaroo to the local gaming store.
Pre-ordered one at the local GW store this weekend, along with a Tzeentch Herald on Disc in order to get a free 30th Anniversary Space Marine, $175. and I needed to spend $165. to get the SM.
I must admit the cost initially made me check up, but I am a fan of the zig-zag foam. The old GW foam options were limiting. Zig-zag is very adaptable, no plucking and a marked improvement over the old case options, IMHO. Seems like it has decent capacity as well, so I'll take a flyer...and I wanted the SM model. To my fellow Dakka-ites down under, I feel the pain. You guys have always seemed to get the shaft on GW pricing.
BigWaaagh wrote: Pre-ordered one at the local GW store this weekend, along with a Tzeentch Herald on Disc in order to get a free 30th Anniversary Space Marine, $175. and I needed to spend $165. to get the SM.
I must admit the cost initially made me check up, but I am a fan of the zig-zag foam. The old GW foam options were limiting. Zig-zag is very adaptable, no plucking and a marked improvement over the old case options, IMHO. Seems like it has decent capacity as well, so I'll take a flyer...and I wanted the SM model. To my fellow Dakka-ites down under, I feel the pain. You guys have always seemed to get the shaft on GW pricing.
Even at USA pricing you're paying $100 for foam, seeing as you can get the case itself for around $35.
To be honest, I'm not entirely sure why you'd buy this case at all. Maybe if you frequently fly with your army? The Battle Case and Crusader Case seem to be much better deals and still look tough enough to survive dropping them down the stairs. Maybe not tough enough to hit them with a sledge hammer, so, err, don't hit them with a sledge hammer.
BigWaaagh wrote: Pre-ordered one at the local GW store this weekend, along with a Tzeentch Herald on Disc in order to get a free 30th Anniversary Space Marine, $175. and I needed to spend $165. to get the SM.
I must admit the cost initially made me check up, but I am a fan of the zig-zag foam. The old GW foam options were limiting. Zig-zag is very adaptable, no plucking and a marked improvement over the old case options, IMHO. Seems like it has decent capacity as well, so I'll take a flyer...and I wanted the SM model. To my fellow Dakka-ites down under, I feel the pain. You guys have always seemed to get the shaft on GW pricing.
Even at USA pricing you're paying $100 for foam, seeing as you can get the case itself for around $35.
To be honest, I'm not entirely sure why you'd buy this case at all. Maybe if you frequently fly with your army? The Battle Case and Crusader Case seem to be much better deals and still look tough enough to survive dropping them down the stairs. Maybe not tough enough to hit them with a sledge hammer, so, err, don't hit them with a sledge hammer.
And the crusaders are prefect carry on size (and if I am taking a army on a airplane I don't want it out of my sight) and can hold more
Peregrine wrote: Except in this case the cynicism and mockery is entirely justified. This is just another case (no pun intended) of GW taking a product manufactured by someone else, sticking a GW logo on it, and adding a ridiculous markup. There is absolutely no reason to even consider buying the GW case unless you really hate having money. So yes, when GW tries to sell a terrible product with a bunch of "cool" music and a guy hitting it with a sword I think it's fair to mock them them for it.
Criticism is entirely justified. Constant cynicism and mockery, especially by the same posters, is just grating. The first is helpful to inform others, while the latter just comes across as an ego boost or show of pride to put down others (in this case GW).
True, it's the internet, but tone matters. And the point on nuance is valid. The ignore feature would make life more pleasant here, but at the cost of losing out on a number of informational and interesting posts by the same people.
Thou shall not mockery the shrubbery i mean GW!
Especially when they make logic comments!
If this offends you, you must have a huge pink filter on the internet.
BigWaaagh wrote: Pre-ordered one at the local GW store this weekend, along with a Tzeentch Herald on Disc in order to get a free 30th Anniversary Space Marine, $175. and I needed to spend $165. to get the SM.
What the feth? You had to spend $165 to be allowed to buy the fething marine?
BigWaaagh wrote: Pre-ordered one at the local GW store this weekend, along with a Tzeentch Herald on Disc in order to get a free 30th Anniversary Space Marine, $175. and I needed to spend $165. to get the SM.
What the feth? You had to spend $165 to be allowed to buy the fething marine?
BigWaaagh wrote: Pre-ordered one at the local GW store this weekend, along with a Tzeentch Herald on Disc in order to get a free 30th Anniversary Space Marine, $175. and I needed to spend $165. to get the SM.
What the feth? You had to spend $165 to be allowed to buy the fething marine?
I think that's how much you needed to spend to get it "free". You could have just bought it for $30 by itself instead.
Given the cost of buying stuff direct from GW, I wouldn't consider it "free" though, you're still paying more than if you'd just bought the Marine for $30 and then bought the other stuff from a discounter.
I think this is pretty great. I will gladly invest in one if it looks like one that survives my trips (i often travel about 150 kilometers to play games) in a car fully loaded with heavy loudspeakers and other audio equipment.
It's nice to see someone found out the original product (or similar), though it should not come as any surprise. That's how most supplementary products work. Besides, if you find the case with the GW foam inserts, do tell since they also probably exist somewhere. Always good to know there is a budged version available.
I still think the case justifies its price, especially for those of us who just want the functioning deal right off the bat. Budged alternatives for flight cases and other shock proof cases exist everywhere anyway. I always see the carry cases as an investment (quite like varnish), and find it rather weird that people go around happily carrying 500€ or more worth of miniatures that took tens of hours to paint in cookie jars with paper towels.
As for the discussion here. People remember that there is a world of difference between stating an legitimate opinion (whether nice or not) and going around saying others should not talk. The latter is rude and holds no place in civil discussion.
Both of those are the same rebranded (yet again) case. I've looked at them in Bunnings in the past. Honestly, the prices being asked for them locally feels like a ripoff as well.
BigWaaagh wrote: Pre-ordered one at the local GW store this weekend, along with a Tzeentch Herald on Disc in order to get a free 30th Anniversary Space Marine, $175. and I needed to spend $165. to get the SM.
What the feth? You had to spend $165 to be allowed to buy the fething marine?
You can buy it for $30 US, or spend $165 or something and get it for free.
That zig-zag foam looks like it would allow the models to smash into each other if any real drop occurred, let alone down stairs. Unless the case is made out of shock absorbing vibranium, it seems the case might survive, but the figures would be toast. Does that actually protect them?
Bossk_Hogg wrote: That zig-zag foam looks like it would allow the models to smash into each other if any real drop occurred, let alone down stairs. Unless the case is made out of shock absorbing vibranium, it seems the case might survive, but the figures would be toast. Does that actually protect them?
I have the Crusade case and it's protecting minis pretty well, as the foam-layers is actually getting pressed together slightly when you close it. That gets the foam around the minis nice and snug.
I can imagine if you have heavy metal minis in it, you would want to space them out a bit, but I transport my WM/H metals in a Feldherr bag, so I can't attest to how well the zigzag foam works with many metal minis. In general I'm pretty happy with the zigzag foam though, as it makes everything so flexible.
Both of those are the same rebranded (yet again) case. I've looked at them in Bunnings in the past. Honestly, the prices being asked for them locally feels like a ripoff as well.
Actually I think those ones are bigger than the GW case. This one might be the same case, it appears to have the same external dimensions (within a few mm) as the unbranded one that looks identical to the GW case (has the same pattern ribbing on it)
Bossk_Hogg wrote: That zig-zag foam looks like it would allow the models to smash into each other if any real drop occurred, let alone down stairs. Unless the case is made out of shock absorbing vibranium, it seems the case might survive, but the figures would be toast. Does that actually protect them?
The zigzag foam is far better than the old cases with slots. The models don't flip around but have enough space around them to protect them from bending. On the plus side you can fit all kinds of different miniatures without needing to tear any of the foam out. In other words, pretty damn brilliant.
Mymearan wrote: Were you expecting GW to build a case factory? Rebranded generic products aren't a new thing. The price is steep but the practice is extremely common.
I don't know, GW does have a whole bunch of plastic manufacturing capacity. If they're going to brag about how "we made it" then it should actually be something they made, not just a rebranded product they put a $100 GW label on.
This is pretty cool, but I honestly would rather just get the Crusade Case or the Battle Figure Case. I don't see myself needing to worry about bats, swords, or vehicles ruining my vehicles. The case is water proof, which is nice. I don't really want to get a custom foam case since I tend to swap stuff out pretty often. If I can transport 2500 pts in a Crusade or Battle Figure Case, I will be just fine. Though I worry how well the case will be able to hold all my Drop Pods(3), Land Speeders(4-5), and tanks (3).
EDIT: I think I will go with the Battle Case and only transport some of my Miniatures at a time. Between four trays, I should be able to fit 52 infantry, 3 Drop Pods, 2 Land Speeder Storms, 3 Land Speeders, and 3 Vindicators, shouldn't I?
PlaguePony wrote: Just noticed the tagline, oh you made the cases GW...really
This is nothing new. And it's not just GW doing it. So this is again one of those things which it is absolutely pointless to give GW flack for. But yeah, everybody knows the hater train is cool to be aboard. How about you be a bit constructive instead and find us the zigzag foam so people can make a copy of this case for a cheaper prize. Because essentially, they did put the case together, even if just from parts. Again something that is quite common.
PlaguePony wrote: Just noticed the tagline, oh you made the cases GW...really
This is nothing new. And it's not just GW doing it. So this is again one of those things which it is absolutely pointless to give GW flack for. But yeah, everybody knows the hater train is cool to be aboard. How about you be a bit constructive instead and find us the zigzag foam so people can make a copy of this case for a cheaper prize. Because essentially, they did put the case together, even if just from parts. Again something that is quite common.
Why is the white knighting so strong in this thread? It's a legit criticism that they're being a touch deceptive by saying THEY made it. You could have just let the comment slide, but instead you had to make a big deal about the haters attacking poor old GW. How about you look in the mirror before you start criticising others for not being constructive.
I would be interested to know if the foam in this case is the same dimensions as the ones in the other GW cases. It may end up being better value to buy a battle case and get the hard case from another source if you're desperate for a case you can run over with a car. Personally I'm still not entirely sure why you'd want this case in the first place. It may be tougher than the Crusader case but do you really need something tougher than the Crusader case?
PlaguePony wrote: Just noticed the tagline, oh you made the cases GW...really
This is nothing new. And it's not just GW doing it. So this is again one of those things which it is absolutely pointless to give GW flack for. But yeah, everybody knows the hater train is cool to be aboard. How about you be a bit constructive instead and find us the zigzag foam so people can make a copy of this case for a cheaper prize. Because essentially, they did put the case together, even if just from parts. Again something that is quite common.
Why is the white knighting so strong in this thread? It's a legit criticism that they're being a touch deceptive by saying THEY made it. You could have just let the comment slide, but instead you had to make a big deal about the haters attacking poor old GW. How about you look in the mirror before you start criticising others for not being constructive.
I would be interested to know if the foam in this case is the same dimensions as the ones in the other GW cases. It may end up being better value to buy a battle case and get the hard case from another source if you're desperate for a case you can run over with a car. Personally I'm still not entirely sure why you'd want this case in the first place. It may be tougher than the Crusader case but do you really need something tougher than the Crusader case?
GW don't make their paints, brushes, tools, etc either... those are all made by manufacturers specializing in those things and sold at a big markup by GW. The only thing they produce in-house is their miniatures. It's the same thing all companies do, and obviously they're all going to say "we made this" because it's their product, regardless of which parts of the product are theirs and which are off-the-shelf or rebranded generics. It's standard practice for any company that's being singled out as deceptive, which is a bit funny.
Mymearan wrote: Were you expecting GW to build a case factory? Rebranded generic products aren't a new thing. The price is steep but the practice is extremely common.
I dunno, maybe people were expecting them to make them the same way they made their previous cases, the ones with molded GW iconography? Why is that an outlandish idea all of a sudden?
Mymearan wrote: GW don't make their paints, brushes, tools, etc either...
And if they claimed they made those things, I'd laugh at them for it too. At least the paints and tools are made specifically for GW, not just bought off the shelf like this case. Dunno about their brushes.
It's standard practice for any company that's being singled out as deceptive, which is a bit funny.
Really? Maybe you can post some examples. I don't think it's all that common, at a guess I'd think you'll find it's probably more common to have "This is the toughest thing we've ever released", which would be closer to the truth. I know car companies often act like things were are totally local products, like for example out here you might see an ad for a car that would make you believe it entirely came out of Holden when actually it's just a rebadged Opel or Chevy... but at least that's all the same General Motors group and design teams tend to be quite global these days so I'm willing to give it a pass.
But yeah, feel free to post examples from other companies so I can laugh at them too! I'm already critical of Australian car manufacturer's if they talk about "Aussie V8's" when they're actually American engines.
I don't think it's as common as you think for companies to outright lie. Sure, they might not tell you the actual source, they might act like it's THEIR product, but to actually say "this is the toughest thing we've made" when they didn't actually make it, I think it's more common to hear something like "this is our toughest thing yet" or "this is the toughest thing we've ever released".
Next time I am in a battle, then get run over, then get thrown down the stairs, then drown, I will at least know that my minis -- my son's inheritance! -- will come through the ordeal intact.
Alternatively I could just take extra care not to annoy the Tsar.
Unless someone comes out with Channel foam like GW uses fairly quick, I am probably just going to get the Crusade case. I am not paying $100USD for just some foam. I really like the Channel Foam, so I am willing to pay for the Crusade case (though I bet I could get away with using the 'Ard Case for my 2500 pt army).
Meos wrote: But yeah, everybody knows the hater train is cool to be aboard.
As cool as the white knight train?
Case looks cool, but as noted by several people, way too expensive for what I could buy without the GW sticker.
Being a realist is hardly being a white knight?
It's already apparent that it's a re-branded product. It should not come as a surprise. We even got direct link to the original one so people know what to look for. The difference however is in the foam on the inside. At leas I would love to know where to find it.
Repeating over and over again the fact that the case is a re-brand is beating a dead horse. We saw it, we understood it, now let's move and look at and discuss alternative cases and do proper price comparison instead of this bs clutter. I'm not a huge fan of GWs general policies regarding most things, but at the same time i consider pointless whining just a load of pointless whining if it doesn't bring something new to the table.
I'm sure it's been pointed out already, but there's a ridiculous amount of heavy duty gun cases out there for half the price if not cheaper, that are just as durable and waterproof ta'boot. Some come with egg carton foam, some come with pluck foam like the sabol army transport trays. A while back I got a $30 hard plastic rifle case that I got at k-mart with just egg carton foam that held a whole 3000 point army.
So if you want a better hard case and you're able to buy them where you live then I suggest looking into gun cases.. there's tons of great options out there. Heck just search for "gun case" on amazon.com and you'll get 53,963 results.
@allzeeingskink I used to work in electronics assembly and it was rather common for us to build components and then put other companies logo on them for resale. There is nothing deceptive about subcontracting.
Many audio technical companies sell very heavy duty cases too. Not the hi-fi companies but the ones who sell PA, instruments and tools for musicians, composers, DJs and light riggers.
The issue however is mostly the same as with gun, camera and other similar cases. They are not made with miniatures in mind so tend to waste quite a lot of space.
Meos wrote: Many audio technical companies sell very heavy duty cases too. Not the hi-fi companies but the ones who sell PA, instruments and tools for musicians, composers, DJs and light riggers.
The issue however is mostly the same as with gun, camera and other similar cases. They are not made with miniatures in mind so tend to waste quite a lot of space.
There are cheaper alternatives, and here in Japan, there are lots of good second hand stores where you can pick up cases, i bought a huge padded instrument case there.
The issue is not that GW puts a sticker on it, but claim that they made it and put a huge mark up on it.
Very few companies (if any) cut their foam in the zig-zag pattern GW has been doing as of late and rather do the more traditional boxes-with-a-floor or do-it-you-self pluck ones.
Mymearan wrote: That's probably only in the US though, we don't have guns here... I sometimes buy camera cases, but they're really expensive and only have pluck foam.
It's maybe a UK thing, but you can buy used camera cases here for almost nothing; they've gone out of fashion I think, and cameras are a lot smaller. Usually pick & pluck though rather than egg-shell or GW's new thing though.
Buttery Commissar wrote: Until someone proves these cases can protect a pure metal large scale army, I'm sticking to third party cases that use the traditional grid systems.
Pity, because these do look cool and far lighter.
I don't think the zig-zag foam works well with heavy metal minis. They'd be sliding around.
Buttery Commissar wrote: Until someone proves these cases can protect a pure metal large scale army, I'm sticking to third party cases that use the traditional grid systems.
Pity, because these do look cool and far lighter.
I don't think the zig-zag foam works well with heavy metal minis. They'd be sliding around.
Actually, they're held pretty snugly if you do it right.
Buttery Commissar wrote: Until someone proves these cases can protect a pure metal large scale army, I'm sticking to third party cases that use the traditional grid systems.
Pity, because these do look cool and far lighter.
I don't think the zig-zag foam works well with heavy metal minis. They'd be sliding around.
Actually, they're held pretty snugly if you do it right.
I can tell you that the egg carton style foam used in pistol cases can certainly hold the figures in place.
I haven't run any over with a car, but I have had a case bounce down a long flight of stairs.
I put them in base to base, and can fit a lot of figures in a case.
My old Dark Angels army fit in one of those pistol cases, including a metal dreadnaught, but excluding the tanks.
My entire Abyssal army for Kings of War fits in one, with room for a few more, as does my Undead army and our Dwarf army.
Buttery Commissar wrote: Until someone proves these cases can protect a pure metal large scale army, I'm sticking to third party cases that use the traditional grid systems.
Pity, because these do look cool and far lighter.
I don't think the zig-zag foam works well with heavy metal minis. They'd be sliding around.
Actually, they're held pretty snugly if you do it right.
I can tell you that the egg carton style foam used in pistol cases can certainly hold the figures in place.
I haven't run any over with a car, but I have had a case bounce down a long flight of stairs.
I put them in base to base, and can fit a lot of figures in a case.
My old Dark Angels army fit in one of those pistol cases, including a metal dreadnaught, but excluding the tanks.
My entire Abyssal army for Kings of War fits in one, with room for a few more, as does my Undead army and our Dwarf army.
The Auld Grump
As someone looking for a case for my Kings of War orcs, got a link by chance? That sounds amazing.
Buttery Commissar wrote: Until someone proves these cases can protect a pure metal large scale army, I'm sticking to third party cases that use the traditional grid systems.
Pity, because these do look cool and far lighter.
With the zigzag foam, metal models stay in place just fine -- with the same caveat as plastic models... you need to pack them in. If it's too loose, they definitely have the potential to slide around.
However, the zigzag foam isn't really all that awesome for little minis, in my opinion. I think standard cut foam is superior for infantry or small cavalry sized minis, because you just get better, more predictable protection. Where it really shines is in big models, and especially if you have a variety of big models to choose from to take. The problem with precut foam is always that the foam is ideal for a one type of model and useless for another. With the zigzag, you can put a Rhino one day, a Land Raider the next, and a titan the day after without thinking too hard.
It becomes the ideal transport scenario if you normally keep models in display cases and want something to pack a selection (that may change) to transport.
I already own the old(er) case that came with that zig-zag-foam, and I really love it. I can fit in an imperial knight and a whole lions blade company.
The only problem for me was, the medium sized case was too small (to carry the models i needed), the big one was too big to be comfortably carried around. The reason I ordered the 'ard case was it is right between those two.
I now use the bigger, older case to store the GW-zig-zag-foam and just swap them out like needed
Still the best thing about the case is not the case, but the foam inside. After using zig-zag-foam for such a long time now, I just could never ever again use "slotted" foam. You can just fit so much more in, and my girlfriend even uses it to transport necron wraiths (with their filigrane whips and all). We never had anything break inside those GW-cases.
I know they are really expensive, but their foam is great, and after all, you are carrying even more expensive miniatures (and a lot of work and time) in there, so I dont think its wasted money.
Good ad for once though.
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