My local GW has a 25 nov top secret midnight release. Anyone any idea what it could be ?
Could it be the return of Necromunda ?
[Edit: Undid the edit in the title not done by me, feel free to change it back whoever changed it ,but pls never edit my post like this without adding your name or making clear that it was you who edited it. ]
Uh oh... Is there a precedent for this kind of thing? Maybe a choice the local manager made, as I haven't heard anything mentioned elsewhere.
What makes you think its Necromunda?
I would love a surprise "big" release. I feel like GW has had an amazing year, and their rebuilding-year, and efforts to start rehabilitating their reputation has been pretty strong. It would be wonderful to end this year on one more fan-friendly note.
That said, the last time someone hyped a GW store, secret release, it was for a random exclusive Captain model. :-p
New edtions have been mid night releases traditionally. I don't expect it to be that. It could be the new 30k board game, but would they really make that THE top secret event ?
Necromunda will be AFTER Adeptus Titanicus according to Atia in the War of Sigmar comments. She also pointed out the currently available info is Blood Bowl in Nov/Dec 2016 and AT in Feb 2017.
This sounds more like Blood Bowl. With 'Burning of Prospero' before and Fenris II afterwards.
But those 'GW dates' have often led to wrong assumptions in the past...
It is the last Friday of the month which in November is the 25th. Top possibilities are blood bowl or Magnus which are both due out around that time. It will not be the Horus heresy board game as that is in the preivous White dwarf.
Edit it is also the last white dwarf with a free gift which may be related.
Convenient when you can attribute multiple of the most stupid suggestions to a thread asking for a serious answer to one person.
Anyway considering the OP is not in the US , I do not think it would be "Black Friday" related though it has infected other parts of the world.
I do not think that Necromunda or Blood Bowl would be worth a midnight special release or event though both are great.
We know that Prospero is on the cover of the November WD, which leads me to believe that it will be released the first week of November with pre-orders of course the week before.
So my only suggestion would be the Fenris II Campaign and the first wave of Daemon Primarchs.
Blood Bowl and Prospero coming for x-mas from what I understood, the chances of them throwing out a third huge release are.... well who the hell knows, GW dun gone crazy this year... we'll see!
RazorEdge wrote: On the Warhammerfest someone important from the GW team said at the end of the year there will be a big release that change 40k .
The return of the primarchs would certainly do that. My money is on Magnus.
Agreed.
The return of the Daemon Primarchs especially will have a huge impact on the game and the balance going forward.
oldzoggy wrote: I can assure you that black Friday isn't a thing around here. Some shopkeeps try to import it, but it doesn't really catch on.
That is what I figured.
And I figure Games Workshop is under the notion considering how international that they are.
Now...I will say that if it is something good I am glad my store does a special Black Friday discount lol.
Has anyone thought that it could be the return of The Lord of the Rings?
It's probably Daemon Primarch Magnus. We know he's coming before the end of the year (confirmed by Sad Panda), plus his model existing would mark a huge shift in the narrative and Games Workshops' willingness to delve into their lore for inspiration.
Burning of Prospero is in the November White Dwarf which indicates that it is an early November/late October release.
wuestenfux wrote: Never seen an important release in 40k other than a new ed.
Ad Mech and Genestealer Cults don't count as important releases?
I agree with you. Deathwatch, Ad Mech, CSG, even Harlequins were all huge releases.
Calth was a huge release.
All of these I dare say rival a new edition because many have come with updates.
Na they where medium releases. Things like Escalation, death from the skies and Stronghold assault where big releases affecting how the game was played by all players, not just adding a single codex.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Calth on the other hand was big bot not truly 40k.
oldzoggy wrote: Na they where medium releases. Things like Escalation, death from the skies and Stronghold assault where big releases affecting how the game was played by all players, not just adding a single codex.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Calth on the other hand was big bot not truly 40k.
While I can see where you are coming from, nobody here uses Death from the Skies or Stronghold assault rules.
They were cute boxes, much like the box with two Knights. But nobody cared and they came and went with a yawn.
While I can see where you are coming from, nobody here uses Death from the Skies or Stronghold assault rules.
They were cute boxes, much like the box with two Knights. But nobody cared and they came and went with a yawn.
This. In technicality they're more important, but the faction releases have had much more of an effect on current metas and how people play the game.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Return of Necromunda featuring a Battle Sister underhive Priory vs revolting Squat miners. Adeptus Arbites and Enslavers as allied forces.
New edtions have been mid night releases traditionally.
Data cards are on last chance to buy. All, but the newest Jeanstealers.
I just looked and you are right all the data cards are last chance except Death watch and the pants stealing cult.
But then if there's a new edition imbound, why are they doing this with the data cards only? Wouldn't that be a super jerk move from a company that's beggining to show good signs? Like, "hey, guys, we are about tot release a new edition, so grab these while you can, b/c we will obviously release new ones for you to buy in the future". Something just doesn't add up...
They could just be always intended to be a silent limited edition, to avoid them getting stuck at retailers for example the ork ones are oop for quite a while now.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Return of Necromunda featuring a Battle Sister underhive Priory vs revolting Squat miners. Adeptus Arbites and Enslavers as allied forces.
The way things are going, we're going to run out of edgy grognard buzzwords.
New edtions have been mid night releases traditionally.
Data cards are on last chance to buy. All, but the newest Jeanstealers.
I just looked and you are right all the data cards are last chance except Death watch and the pants stealing cult.
But then if there's a new edition imbound, why are they doing this with the data cards only? Wouldn't that be a super jerk move from a company that's beggining to show good signs? Like, "hey, guys, we are about tot release a new edition, so grab these while you can, b/c we will obviously release new ones for you to buy in the future". Something just doesn't add up...
Or maybe data cards won't be a thing with Age of the Emperor.
Besides, if they didn't let people know these are last chance then people who want to stay with 7th edition when AoE drops would complain they weren't warned in time to buy for the armies they wanted.
Back on topic, I thought the rumor was that next year was the big edition drop.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Return of Necromunda featuring a Battle Sister underhive Priory vs revolting Squat miners. Adeptus Arbites and Enslavers as allied forces.
The way things are going, we're going to run out of edgy grognard buzzwords.
The box will also come with some random Hive monsters, a lost Zoat and a rampaging Ambull.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Return of Necromunda featuring a Battle Sister underhive Priory vs revolting Squat miners. Adeptus Arbites and Enslavers as allied forces.
The way things are going, we're going to run out of edgy grognard buzzwords.
The box will also come with some random Hive monsters, a lost Zoat and a rampaging Ambull.
don't forget the fishmen, yes you read it right, fishmen in 40k
Thinking about it seriously bloodbowl would be a good choice. If they get a couple of copies instore they can run demonsrtration games. Getting a chance to play the new game a week early would get me to attend if I lived near a store
Will Blood Bowl even be available in GW stores? Seeing as the specialist games are all under Forgeworld now it seems to be a question that needs to be asked.
Again, pretty darned sure it's Daemon Primarch Magnus in plastic which Sad Panda confirmed is coming at some point this year.
Unless it's just one of those store only things which is also a distinct possibility. Some of the ideas you guys are coming up with are pretty amusing though
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Return of Necromunda featuring a Battle Sister underhive Priory vs revolting Squat miners. Adeptus Arbites and Enslavers as allied forces.
The way things are going, we're going to run out of edgy grognard buzzwords.
NEVER!
I predict Oi Dat's Me Leg the delux limited edition.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Return of Necromunda featuring a Battle Sister underhive Priory vs revolting Squat miners. Adeptus Arbites and Enslavers as allied forces.
The way things are going, we're going to run out of edgy grognard buzzwords.
The box will also come with some random Hive monsters, a lost Zoat and a rampaging Ambull.
don't forget the fishmen, yes you read it right, fishmen in 40k
And a CD containing all books from the FFG role playing games as part of the big relaunch of all five games and the announcement of Hive War, the game of wars in the Hive.
Well, my sales rep is trying to tell me to "Save up extra money for november," and hinting Bloodbowl
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hmmm, and that's Black Friday, so if it is Bloodbowl, guess I'm selling it cheap since that's a huge sale weekend at the shop.
mikhaila wrote: Well, my sales rep is trying to tell me to "Save up extra money for november," and hinting Bloodbowl
Automatically Appended Next Post: Hmmm, and that's Black Friday, so if it is Bloodbowl, guess I'm selling it cheap since that's a huge sale weekend at the shop.
Thraxas Of Turai wrote: Plus if it is the night of Friday 25th of November that makes it more like Saturday 26th, I just cannot see a Black Friday sale.
I assume it is Prospero, and what of those with GW stores stuck in rubbish shopping centres that will not be open?
leaks of November issue of white dwarf show the Burning of Prospero box, so its release should be with WD november preorders
White Dwarf november preorders --- 29 october 2016
A giant, feth-off Ork model: The Beast! From their monthly books and gak for The Beast Arises series. He's the height of a Gorkanought, but not a Morkanought. That would be stupid.
I fully believe it is only a matter of time until Kroot and Sisters are released. Maybe they are going the AoS/Fantasy route with lots of small mini armies? The last major thing on people want lists is an entirely new Xenos army. I think all of this will happen under the new GW. They've listened to every single request so far.
Gamgee wrote: They've listened to every single request so far.
We still have crappy bloated rules in 40K. We still have no official FAQs. So no they have not listened to EVERY SINGL request so far. Also how many people want the "random" out of the game? Still in the game.
Ah smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirror. GW hasn't changed. They are still the same company not giving people what they want. Oh yeah and where are my Fair, Balanced, Well Written Rules set and properly COSTED codices? No where in site they are.
We are still a year away from 8th edition of 40K. Until then we will not know if GW has changed at all. The 40K codices coming out now are still following the same path, too much random. So until then, GW hasn't changed, just smoke and mirrors, GW is giving the illusion of change.
The HH prospero box will be released last week of october and featured on november WD...
Blood Bowl should be out at the end of november so i bet it will be the return of Blood Bowl on 25th november...
Gamgee wrote: They've listened to every single request so far.
We still have crappy bloated rules in 40K. We still have no official FAQs. So no they have not listened to EVERY SINGL request so far. Also how many people want the "random" out of the game? Still in the game.
Ah smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirror. GW hasn't changed. They are still the same company not giving people what they want. Oh yeah and where are my Fair, Balanced, Well Written Rules set and properly COSTED codices? No where in site they are.
We are still a year away from 8th edition of 40K. Until then we will not know if GW has changed at all. The 40K codices coming out now are still following the same path, too much random. So until then, GW hasn't changed, just smoke and mirrors, GW is giving the illusion of change.
Actually, we have official FAQs for Age of Sigmar. Couple that with the removal of datacards following the GS cult release, and I think GW has learned their lesson.
Also, consider this - The warhammer fanbase is one of the biggest and largest wargaming communities in gaming. And they all have different opinions on what warhammer should be. Are you aware Davor that Warhammer has, until recently, been a random game of tables dice and figures? Seriously, the original game was almost 100% random tables.
If you dont like random, warhammer isnt for you. Plain and simple - the only thing stopping people from realizing that is their own pig-headedness.
All dice games are random to some degree. Some more, some less. GW is under pressure to make a product that pleases their entire community. They've begun to turn the failure that was AOS into a possible success. We have start collecting boxes, big discount bundles, affordable ways into both games now with the Kill-team starter and the myriad AOS starters, a reigned-in pricing scheme that is progressively more reasonable (still high, but stop kidding yourself if you want them to lower prices), consolidation of their entire paint range into brick and mortar stores, mainstream advertising with battle for vestros, live-streamed tournaments with commentary, the return of specialist games, and a book that actually made chaos not bad.
If you think they still aren't listening I don't think you know what the word means.
Date would match BloodBowl but that is hardly super secret anymore.
Wasn't there rumours about Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower expansion featuring Undead? October WD hints at reign of Necromancer coming to end in WHQ;ST but I may be reading too much into that...
Gamgee wrote: They've listened to every single request so far.
We still have crappy bloated rules in 40K. We still have no official FAQs. So no they have not listened to EVERY SINGL request so far. Also how many people want the "random" out of the game? Still in the game.
Ah smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirror. GW hasn't changed. They are still the same company not giving people what they want. Oh yeah and where are my Fair, Balanced, Well Written Rules set and properly COSTED codices? No where in site they are.
We are still a year away from 8th edition of 40K. Until then we will not know if GW has changed at all. The 40K codices coming out now are still following the same path, too much random. So until then, GW hasn't changed, just smoke and mirrors, GW is giving the illusion of change.
Actually, we have official FAQs for Age of Sigmar. Couple that with the removal of datacards following the GS cult release, and I think GW has learned their lesson.
Also, consider this - The warhammer fanbase is one of the biggest and largest wargaming communities in gaming. And they all have different opinions on what warhammer should be. Are you aware Davor that Warhammer has, until recently, been a random game of tables dice and figures? Seriously, the original game was almost 100% random tables.
If you dont like random, warhammer isnt for you. Plain and simple - the only thing stopping people from realizing that is their own pig-headedness.
All dice games are random to some degree. Some more, some less. GW is under pressure to make a product that pleases their entire community. They've begun to turn the failure that was AOS into a possible success. We have start collecting boxes, big discount bundles, affordable ways into both games now with the Kill-team starter and the myriad AOS starters, a reigned-in pricing scheme that is progressively more reasonable (still high, but stop kidding yourself if you want them to lower prices), consolidation of their entire paint range into brick and mortar stores, mainstream advertising with battle for vestros, live-streamed tournaments with commentary, the return of specialist games, and a book that actually made chaos not bad.
If you think they still aren't listening I don't think you know what the word means.
I respect that you have the right for having a differing opinion than me. I see you don't respect it the right to have a differing opinion than yourself.
Pigheadedness? For not agreeing with you?
Warlord traits, random roll, psychic powers random roll, what ability you get when you deploy, random roll. And that is even before the game starts and you even deploy. You can't even make a full army even before the game because of the randomness in the game.
But again, someone has a differing opinion and you find the result to name calling or shaming. Pigheadedness? For having a differing opinion? Ok then.
As for GW is under pressure? What pressure? They do what they want, they don't care what anyone else things. When 40K 8th edition comes out we will see if that changes, but right now, it's still the same old GW. Lazy writing, Lazy designing rules. Instead of costing things properly and fairly they just use random tables instead of costing points and this way people can choose what to use and want.
But yeah keep defending and if anyone who has a differing opinion just degrade them. Good job.
Barring GW doing anything totally mental(End Times 2: End of Sigmar - This Time It's Mystical and the return of WHFB? We can but dream ) I'd say Blood Bowl is the simplest and most likely possibility.
Gamgee wrote: They've listened to every single request so far.
We still have crappy bloated rules in 40K. We still have no official FAQs. So no they have not listened to EVERY SINGL request so far. Also how many people want the "random" out of the game? Still in the game.
Ah smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirror. GW hasn't changed. They are still the same company not giving people what they want. Oh yeah and where are my Fair, Balanced, Well Written Rules set and properly COSTED codices? No where in site they are.
We are still a year away from 8th edition of 40K. Until then we will not know if GW has changed at all. The 40K codices coming out now are still following the same path, too much random. So until then, GW hasn't changed, just smoke and mirrors, GW is giving the illusion of change.
Actually, we have official FAQs for Age of Sigmar. Couple that with the removal of datacards following the GS cult release, and I think GW has learned their lesson.
Also, consider this - The warhammer fanbase is one of the biggest and largest wargaming communities in gaming. And they all have different opinions on what warhammer should be. Are you aware Davor that Warhammer has, until recently, been a random game of tables dice and figures? Seriously, the original game was almost 100% random tables.
If you dont like random, warhammer isnt for you. Plain and simple - the only thing stopping people from realizing that is their own pig-headedness.
All dice games are random to some degree. Some more, some less. GW is under pressure to make a product that pleases their entire community. They've begun to turn the failure that was AOS into a possible success. We have start collecting boxes, big discount bundles, affordable ways into both games now with the Kill-team starter and the myriad AOS starters, a reigned-in pricing scheme that is progressively more reasonable (still high, but stop kidding yourself if you want them to lower prices), consolidation of their entire paint range into brick and mortar stores, mainstream advertising with battle for vestros, live-streamed tournaments with commentary, the return of specialist games, and a book that actually made chaos not bad.
If you think they still aren't listening I don't think you know what the word means.
I respect that you have the right for having a differing opinion than me. I see you don't respect it the right to have a differing opinion than yourself.
Pigheadedness? For not agreeing with you?
Warlord traits, random roll, psychic powers random roll, what ability you get when you deploy, random roll. And that is even before the game starts and you even deploy. You can't even make a full army even before the game because of the randomness in the game.
But again, someone has a differing opinion and you find the result to name calling or shaming. Pigheadedness? For having a differing opinion? Ok then.
As for GW is under pressure? What pressure? They do what they want, they don't care what anyone else things. When 40K 8th edition comes out we will see if that changes, but right now, it's still the same old GW. Lazy writing, Lazy designing rules. Instead of costing things properly and fairly they just use random tables instead of costing points and this way people can choose what to use and want.
But yeah keep defending and if anyone who has a differing opinion just degrade them. Good job.
Can you point to the spot where I specifically called you pigheaded? If you can, you must be a wizard, because I never did. If you got that impression, try taking things less personal. I am fairly serious about that though. The people who claim to like 40k but never have any fun with it all are (in my experience) extremely stubborn people. They all now play warmachine. Coincidence? I'm not really going to write that one off. 40K isn't for everybody. But it seems that even the community can't decide who the game is for.
Have you ever popped in to a thread about "How to fix 40K?" Half the people want goofy, random rules and the other half wants iron-tight lawyer rules. Go check it out - it's not just on dakkadakka. Many other forums have the same threads, and the result you get for asking what people want is typically a very confused and contradictory one. We all agree we'd like a competitive rule set - but the style is where Games Workshop gets two different answers.
So how do you please two audiences that are basically asking for wholly different game systems? That's what kind of pressure they are under. If they didn't care what anyone else thinks, we would not have the kind of interaction we have experienced this year. Is it perfect? No, but it is a small start. To try and belittle that by stating they 'don't care' and 'aren't listening' is a tad bit disingenuous imo.
If you get a chance Davor, you should skim through one of the original rogue trader books. It was pretty random, all the way down to what weapons your models came with. By contrast, all you randomize today is Warlord Traits, Psychic Powers and deployment. Gosh, that was hard. If those three rolls of a D6 prevent you from having fun, then sure. It's your game, so play it (or don't) the way you want. But if people choose not to play simply because of three D6 rolls, then yeah, that's a kind of stubbornness.
Read this next part really carefully - I play 40K because I like the setting, the models and the premise. I'm fine with a mostly random ruleset, or a highly technical one. But I do want the game to be balanced either way.
It'll probably be a chance to buy a $30 finecrap LESM captain with a useless load out after buying $100 worth of minis. Probably a recut of an old metal one too.
Yeah Adeptus Titanicus has a planned release coinciding with the next Horus Heresy Weekender (February) last I heard. I doubt it'd all be done 2-3 months in advance.
But it'll just be Blood Bowl, with its terrible rules that nobody born after 1980 can enjoy and has no reason to try anyway given that legitimately good sports games are a dime a dozen these days.
I do have to say my anticipation for Adeptus Titanicus decreased when they said it would be all about the Titans (at least initially) and not the 40k Epic style of micro infantry, etc.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I do have to say my anticipation for Adeptus Titanicus decreased when they said it would be all about the Titans (at least initially) and not the 40k Epic style of micro infantry, etc.
Is there a summary of these Titanicus rumors? I like Titans and boxed games and am just getting back into 40k stuff, so this is all news to me.
Basically:
8mm
Titans / knights of different variety
Set in the heresy
Game likely to have Necromunda campaign like rules where your titans gain experience
Plastic scenery set likely - all other models will be resin
If successful Marines and other forces to follow
Vorian wrote: Basically:
8mm
Titans / knights of different variety
Set in the heresy
Game likely to have Necromunda campaign like rules where your titans gain experience
Plastic scenery set likely - all other models will be resin
If successful Marines and other forces to follow
Thanks! That all sounds like something I will want. Nice that they are a slightly larger scale than Epic, but that's obnoxious for people that already have Epic models. Would they really release a boxed game with resin models instead of plastic, tho?
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: I do have to say my anticipation for Adeptus Titanicus decreased when they said it would be all about the Titans (at least initially) and not the 40k Epic style of micro infantry, etc.
Mine increased. I want granular stats and damage for titans again, not rough approximations to speed things up and make room for tons of infantry and tanks.
Vorian wrote: Basically:
8mm
Titans / knights of different variety
Set in the heresy
Game likely to have Necromunda campaign like rules where your titans gain experience
Plastic scenery set likely - all other models will be resin
If successful Marines and other forces to follow
Thanks! That all sounds like something I will want. Nice that they are a slightly larger scale than Epic, but that's obnoxious for people that already have Epic models. Would they really release a boxed game with resin models instead of plastic, tho?
AT probably won't be a "boxed game" in the same sense as more recent GW releases, it'll be a Specialist Game - the models will be resin, the "boxed set" will just be a big box of plastic terrain, maybe with a rulebook inside.
And start harvesting your family's kidneys to sell now, because barring some mad discounting policy a resin AT force is going to cost almost as much as collecting an all-FW Knight Household.
Most of the rumors I've read say the Adeptus Titanicus will be Forgeworld, so that pretty much rules it out for this midnight mystery release. My money is on either Fenris: Part 2 or Thousands Sons. Maybe even both! My hope is that this will be the rumored Tzeentch Arcanite release or some thing for Grand Alliance: Death.
LMFAO. I wonder if that would garner more outrage than the destruction from the old world. People loosing sleep for over this? I don't think so. Maybe if Kirby was at the helm he would do it to despise us, but not Kevin Roundtree. He really seems to be doing something to give an "image" of GW changing and being better than before.
Dread fleet 2 would be awesome. The Old World is back? Sweet.
The original game had great minis and fluff--even the tie in novel was fun--but suffered for trying to be something different. Not that it matters now, because we all know Dreadfleet isn't going to happen.
Mine increased. I want granular stats and damage for titans again, not rough approximations to speed things up and make room for tons of infantry and tanks.
I still have those up/down, left/right dice from the titan damage location chart.
Mine increased. I want granular stats and damage for titans again, not rough approximations to speed things up and make room for tons of infantry and tanks.
I still have those up/down, left/right dice from the titan damage location chart.
The original game had great minis and fluff--even the tie in novel was fun--but suffered for trying to be something different. Not that it matters now, because we all know Dreadfleet isn't going to happen.
The original game had great minis and fluff--even the tie in novel was fun--but suffered for trying to be something different. Not that it matters now, because we all know Dreadfleet isn't going to happen.
It suffered for being incredibly boring to play.
That is a fairly big flaw. Fortunately(?) my bar to beat is set at Monopoly, so I'm easy when it comes to game mechanics.
Maybe it's finally time for the Adepta Soro...... nvm.... ofc it's not them... If anything we are more likely to get Demiurg as they were featured in the Tau trailer for Battlefleet Gothic: Armada
Matt.Kingsley wrote: Yeah Adeptus Titanicus has a planned release coinciding with the next Horus Heresy Weekender (February) last I heard. I doubt it'd all be done 2-3 months in advance.
Which is a shame as it has such pretty minis, including things that you just don't see any more (an Ind ship, a Chaos Dwarf sub).
Yeah, the miniatures were excellent. It's just a shame they put nowhere near the amount of effort into the game making side of it. Making it a one-off thing was also a dumb move as there were still factions who they could've released ships for, like the Dark Elves (you know GW, that race that conducts pirate raids as a coming of age ceremony for their nobles and has literal floating fortresses as their flagships).
So, the release of one stand alone boxed game probably wouldn't be worth a midnight opening... But a multiple release specialist games thing to kick each line off and gather some support, maybe hold each of them in store for a month or so before they all disappear off to Forge World... so my money would be on us seeing Adeptus Titanicus, BFG, BloodBowl and maybe a couple of other specialist games releases, all in one big bang, just in time for black friday, and then available in store for a few weeks/month or so (ideal to catch the waves of clueless aunts looking for a standalone christmas present for little Timmy) before they all disappear into Forge World and gain the shipping cost penalty... That's what my money would be on anyway
Nuclear Mekanik wrote: So, the release of one stand alone boxed game probably wouldn't be worth a midnight opening... But a multiple release specialist games thing to kick each line off and gather some support, maybe hold each of them in store for a month or so before they all disappear off to Forge World... so my money would be on us seeing Adeptus Titanicus, BFG, BloodBowl and maybe a couple of other specialist games releases, all in one big bang, just in time for black friday, and then available in store for a few weeks/month or so (ideal to catch the waves of clueless aunts looking for a standalone christmas present for little Timmy) before they all disappear into Forge World and gain the shipping cost penalty... That's what my money would be on anyway
Business 101 says you never cripple a given product's initial impact by sharing its time in the sun with other releases. Its basic logic, and even rival film studios get out of the way of each-other's big releases. It definitely ISN'T this. :-p
Nah. It'll be Blood Bowl, and I will be thrilled. :-)
I'm surely in the minority here but I really enjoyed painting my Dreadfleet. It could be worse than a reboot of that (or Man-o-War)... But I assume that it will most likely be the Prospero box.
SKR.HH wrote: I'm surely in the minority here but I really enjoyed painting my Dreadfleet. It could be worse than a reboot of that (or Man-o-War)... But I assume that it will most likely be the Prospero box.
The Prospero box is probably gonna come out some time in October or early November, as its in the November WD (which comes out in October). And Blood Bowl, according to the blood bowl team at the European open day today, is meant to be a December release. So I dunno what this is.
SKR.HH wrote: I'm surely in the minority here but I really enjoyed painting my Dreadfleet. It could be worse than a reboot of that (or Man-o-War)... But I assume that it will most likely be the Prospero box.
The Prospero box is probably gonna come out some time in October or early November, as its in the November WD (which comes out in October). And Blood Bowl, according to the blood bowl team at the European open day today, is meant to be a December release. So I dunno what this is.
SKR.HH wrote: I'm surely in the minority here but I really enjoyed painting my Dreadfleet. It could be worse than a reboot of that (or Man-o-War)... But I assume that it will most likely be the Prospero box.
The Prospero box is probably gonna come out some time in October or early November, as its in the November WD (which comes out in October). And Blood Bowl, according to the blood bowl team at the European open day today, is meant to be a December release. So I dunno what this is.
It's 25th November. That's close enough.
Yeah. Although they said they hope it'll be a December release, which implies it might be later.
That's precisely 4 weeks before Christmas Eve, as it's really the 26th, even one week later (assuming they stick to the only release stuff on Saturday model) at that time of year is an eternity.
Halfway through according to my local GW employees
Did they say preorder, or release. Because a preorder date of Oct 15 (mid-october) and release of 22 Oct could be described as either "halfway through" or "late October", depending on one's point of view.
Either way, next time I go out I'm pulling the requisite cash from the bank and putting it aside for a couple (or more) boxes.
Gamgee wrote: Aw man. End time is more like the never times at this point. Nothing is happening!
Good. 40k does not need fluff moving. Too bad it's going to happen though :( Still bad decision is a bad decision.
Bad decision was keeping 40K stale for 30 years. That is why 40K is in the mess it is in now.
Keeping the 40K background relatively static for 30 years and not advancing the timeline has nothing to do with 40K being in a mess now. Arguably, that's in fact the only reason so many people still cling to the system despite gameplay being increasingly horrible and unfun for all involved.
Not giving a crap about the quality of the rules for at least the last 20 years or so and having the game get progressively worse when that time and all those editions could instead have been used to fine-tune the system; that's what has made 40K into a mess.
Gamgee wrote: Aw man. End time is more like the never times at this point. Nothing is happening!
Good. 40k does not need fluff moving. Too bad it's going to happen though :( Still bad decision is a bad decision.
Bad decision was keeping 40K stale for 30 years. That is why 40K is in the mess it is in now.
Keeping the 40K background relatively static for 30 years and not advancing the timeline has nothing to do with 40K being in a mess now. Arguably, that's in fact the only reason so many people still cling to the system despite gameplay being increasingly horrible and unfun for all involved.
Not giving a crap about the quality of the rules for at least the last 20 years or so and having the game get progressively worse when that time and all those editions could instead have been used to fine-tune the system; that's what has made 40K into a mess.
I disagree. With not improving the time line and keeping it the same old same old, it made GW stale, lazy and unimaginative and no reason to improve. If not making new fluff or advancing the time line or even going back in time adding new fluff that way , gave no reason for GW to be creative and innovative in making new editions. Keep the fluff the same, just needed to be lazy making new "editions". Reason editions is in quotes is basically we are still playing third edition with upgraded rules, not really a new edition like from Rogue Trader to second edition to third edition.
So now advancing the story lines or by adding in new fluff is making 40K better. After all GW did go back in time now with 30K and it seemed for a lot of people to improve the game. Only if GW done this sooner the mess wouldn't be here as it is now.
Thanks for that link, Ghaz. I might actually get that set when it comes out (already had and read the paperbacks, but most were stolen with a bunch of other gaming stuff...grumble grumble....)
Gamgee wrote: Aw man. End time is more like the never times at this point. Nothing is happening!
Good. 40k does not need fluff moving. Too bad it's going to happen though :( Still bad decision is a bad decision.
Bad decision was keeping 40K stale for 30 years. That is why 40K is in the mess it is in now.
Keeping the 40K background relatively static for 30 years and not advancing the timeline has nothing to do with 40K being in a mess now. Arguably, that's in fact the only reason so many people still cling to the system despite gameplay being increasingly horrible and unfun for all involved.
Not giving a crap about the quality of the rules for at least the last 20 years or so and having the game get progressively worse when that time and all those editions could instead have been used to fine-tune the system; that's what has made 40K into a mess.
I disagree. With not improving the time line and keeping it the same old same old, it made GW stale, lazy and unimaginative and no reason to improve. If not making new fluff or advancing the time line or even going back in time adding new fluff that way , gave no reason for GW to be creative and innovative in making new editions. Keep the fluff the same, just needed to be lazy making new "editions". Reason editions is in quotes is basically we are still playing third edition with upgraded rules, not really a new edition like from Rogue Trader to second edition to third edition.
So now advancing the story lines or by adding in new fluff is making 40K better. After all GW did go back in time now with 30K and it seemed for a lot of people to improve the game. Only if GW done this sooner the mess wouldn't be here as it is now.
You can't make that claim though. It's no guarantee that advancing the timeline will make 40k better and there's no guarantee that new fluff equates to better rules. The "staleness" of the setting has no bearing on the quality of the rules. Correlation does not equal causation.
Gamgee wrote: Aw man. End time is more like the never times at this point. Nothing is happening!
Good. 40k does not need fluff moving. Too bad it's going to happen though :( Still bad decision is a bad decision.
Bad decision was keeping 40K stale for 30 years. That is why 40K is in the mess it is in now.
The fluff has absolutely nothing to do with the current state of the game. Let's be fair, the end times is only going to happen because they've already turned it up to 11 and nobody has a better idea than to turn it up to 12.
Gamgee wrote: Aw man. End time is more like the never times at this point. Nothing is happening!
Good. 40k does not need fluff moving. Too bad it's going to happen though :( Still bad decision is a bad decision.
Bad decision was keeping 40K stale for 30 years. That is why 40K is in the mess it is in now.
The fluff has absolutely nothing to do with the current state of the game. Let's be fair, the end times is only going to happen because they've already turned it up to 11 and nobody has a better idea than to turn it up to 12.
I am not saying the fluff is the problem. I am talking about the laziness and work ethic of GW is the problem. Look what they did in 30 years. Not much. If they took more effort in the fluff, I am sure the rules would have improved so much. What is it, 6th edition or was it 5th edition that the golden toilet stopped working and that was the fluff advancement. So if that is the quality GW could do with the fluff, no wonder the rules are a mess as they are.
Just look what GW did with 30K. Instead of moving the fluff forward, they went backwards as I suggested. From what I read on the net, people are saying it's great quality work there and the rules are so much more fun as well. I guess it's Forge World doing, but shows you when you put the effort into adding new fluff, the rules are good as well.
Again they don't need to advance the story, there is over 10 000 years and other races of stories that can be told instead of the view of man or imperium all the time. They could even do the wars on Terra/Earth, then do stories on the exploration (sorry keep forgetting the name it's called) and flesh those eras out. But GW doesn't and take the lazy way in their fluff which in my opinion is lazy writing in their rules.
Gamgee wrote: Aw man. End time is more like the never times at this point. Nothing is happening!
Good. 40k does not need fluff moving. Too bad it's going to happen though :( Still bad decision is a bad decision.
Bad decision was keeping 40K stale for 30 years. That is why 40K is in the mess it is in now.
The fluff has absolutely nothing to do with the current state of the game. Let's be fair, the end times is only going to happen because they've already turned it up to 11 and nobody has a better idea than to turn it up to 12.
Exactly. And the claim that advancing the fluff is letting them do new things that make 40K better is hilarious, given the stuff they've been doing recently that everyone has liked have been shameless, blatant dips into the company's own past output(Mechanicus, Heresy, GSCult) none of which need or benefit from a timeline advance.
Gamgee wrote: Aw man. End time is more like the never times at this point. Nothing is happening!
Good. 40k does not need fluff moving. Too bad it's going to happen though :( Still bad decision is a bad decision.
Bad decision was keeping 40K stale for 30 years. That is why 40K is in the mess it is in now.
The fluff has absolutely nothing to do with the current state of the game. Let's be fair, the end times is only going to happen because they've already turned it up to 11 and nobody has a better idea than to turn it up to 12.
Exactly. And the claim that advancing the fluff is letting them do new things that make 40K better is hilarious, given the stuff they've been doing recently that everyone has liked have been shameless, blatant dips into the company's own past output(Mechanicus, Heresy, GSCult) none of which need or benefit from a timeline advance.
Yup its almost like a changing of the old guard especially Merritt is letting them do this stuff and they for the most part are knocking it out of the park...except for price...but that's another topic
So I'll have to get two boxes of blood bowl to get the appropriate number of Bitzers for a human team? Assuming the ideal balance for human teams remain the same.
Gamgee wrote: Aw man. End time is more like the never times at this point. Nothing is happening!
Good. 40k does not need fluff moving. Too bad it's going to happen though :( Still bad decision is a bad decision.
Bad decision was keeping 40K stale for 30 years. That is why 40K is in the mess it is in now.
40k is setting and not a novel. Making it into novel just kills creativity from players as they can't make up their own storyline without having their work wiped by GW.
Novel isn't better than setting for novel. Make good setting. That allows creativity for players. Novel suppresses it.
40k is mess because of lousy rules. Rules!=fluff. They could easily fix rules without making good setting into novel(most likely bad one to boot).
usernamesareannoying wrote: so how many times are they going to release, discontinue, release, discontinue this game?
what's next, space hulk again?
That's what happens when your primary source of income for Specialist Games is nostalgia.. Might as well release some "member berries" too with each team since GW seems intent on never updating the rules to fix glaring issues that could easily make these games more fun, less frustrating and cause people to play them more than a few times.
I'll drop this here since I'm not sure it merits its own thread. (we really need a kind of 40k catch all for all the little rumour snippits)
Tom Walton who worked on many 40k vehicles is active on twitter. He mentioned that has in the office doing overtime sculpting minis for an army he has never worked on before.
30 minutes of Google fu later I have it narrowed down to Aos (he does vehicles so unlikely) nids (organic so unlikely) orks or sisters. So new ork or sisters vehicles incoming then.
Chikout wrote: I'll drop this here since I'm not sure it merits its own thread. (we really need a kind of 40k catch all for all the little rumour snippits)
Tom Walton who worked on many 40k vehicles is active on twitter. He mentioned that has in the office doing overtime sculpting minis for an army he has never worked on before.
30 minutes of Google fu later I have it narrowed down to Aos (he does vehicles so unlikely) nids (organic so unlikely) orks or sisters. So new ork or sisters vehicles incoming then.
Unless its the rumored steampunk-inspired Steamhead Duradin (who already have a Gyrocopter and Gyrobomber).
Chikout wrote: I'll drop this here since I'm not sure it merits its own thread. (we really need a kind of 40k catch all for all the little rumour snippits)
Tom Walton who worked on many 40k vehicles is active on twitter. He mentioned that has in the office doing overtime sculpting minis for an army he has never worked on before.
30 minutes of Google fu later I have it narrowed down to Aos (he does vehicles so unlikely) nids (organic so unlikely) orks or sisters. So new ork or sisters vehicles incoming then.
Hastings mentioned there will be a 'plague army' release for 40k. Do Hruds qualify for it?
If something is sculpted now it won't be released anytime soon though. It takes about two years from design to release, so this would be a late 2017 product the very earliest, probably a 2018 one. It is more likely these are different product ranges. Hrud or Slann would be interesting though.
Orks need updated buggies and skorchas
Back in 2008 when GW showed not only upcoming product but CAD images at their Games Days (Photos: Brueckenkopf.de)
Gamgee wrote: Aw man. End time is more like the never times at this point. Nothing is happening!
Good. 40k does not need fluff moving. Too bad it's going to happen though :( Still bad decision is a bad decision.
Bad decision was keeping 40K stale for 30 years. That is why 40K is in the mess it is in now.
40k is setting and not a novel. Making it into novel just kills creativity from players as they can't make up their own storyline without having their work wiped by GW.
Novel isn't better than setting for novel. Make good setting. That allows creativity for players. Novel suppresses it.
40k is mess because of lousy rules. Rules!=fluff. They could easily fix rules without making good setting into novel(most likely bad one to boot).
That might mean more of they didn't keep rewriting/retconning the fluff. See Necrons/C'Tan
Chikout wrote: I'll drop this here since I'm not sure it merits its own thread. (we really need a kind of 40k catch all for all the little rumour snippits)
Tom Walton who worked on many 40k vehicles is active on twitter. He mentioned that has in the office doing overtime sculpting minis for an army he has never worked on before.
30 minutes of Google fu later I have it narrowed down to Aos (he does vehicles so unlikely) nids (organic so unlikely) orks or sisters. So new ork or sisters vehicles incoming then.
Sounds interesting. Would be really good to have a heavily modded sticky thread for just rumours. No comments or discussion, just updates regarding 40k Would something be possible Mods?
On one of the football forums I frequent we have a "Read Only" Thread. If someone has a rumour, they post it, it gets approved by a mod before it even appears in the thread, any unwanted spam just gets deleted before it even posts. That way people can keep an eye on rumours without having to trawl through pages of back and forth discussions and wishlisting etc. It would be super handy.
Firstly, people didn't read it because it was a sticky.
Secondly, to go to one thread, read about something, then go to another thread to discuss it is clumsy when there's fundamentally no issue with the current system. As it was brand new info about a possible new rumour, Chikout was quite within their rights to create a new thread. In fact, that they didn't is the issue.
Gamgee wrote: Aw man. End time is more like the never times at this point. Nothing is happening!
Good. 40k does not need fluff moving. Too bad it's going to happen though :( Still bad decision is a bad decision.
Bad decision was keeping 40K stale for 30 years. That is why 40K is in the mess it is in now.
The fluff has absolutely nothing to do with the current state of the game. Let's be fair, the end times is only going to happen because they've already turned it up to 11 and nobody has a better idea than to turn it up to 12.
Exactly. And the claim that advancing the fluff is letting them do new things that make 40K better is hilarious, given the stuff they've been doing recently that everyone has liked have been shameless, blatant dips into the company's own past output(Mechanicus, Heresy, GSCult) none of which need or benefit from a timeline advance.
To an extent, advancing the fluff is not strictly "advancing the fluff".
Look at Genestealer Cult/Deathwatch and Overkill. It's not them advancing the fluff but actually elaborating upon events from the past. The same thing goes with the "War Zone" books we've been getting, a few of them were set decades if not centuries before the "Minutes to Midnight" of the Eye of Terror campaign.
Gamgee wrote: Aw man. End time is more like the never times at this point. Nothing is happening!
Good. 40k does not need fluff moving. Too bad it's going to happen though :( Still bad decision is a bad decision.
Bad decision was keeping 40K stale for 30 years. That is why 40K is in the mess it is in now.
The fluff has absolutely nothing to do with the current state of the game. Let's be fair, the end times is only going to happen because they've already turned it up to 11 and nobody has a better idea than to turn it up to 12.
Exactly. And the claim that advancing the fluff is letting them do new things that make 40K better is hilarious, given the stuff they've been doing recently that everyone has liked have been shameless, blatant dips into the company's own past output(Mechanicus, Heresy, GSCult) none of which need or benefit from a timeline advance.
To an extent, advancing the fluff is not strictly "advancing the fluff".
Look at Genestealer Cult/Deathwatch and Overkill. It's not them advancing the fluff but actually elaborating upon events from the past. The same thing goes with the "War Zone" books we've been getting, a few of them were set decades if not centuries before the "Minutes to Midnight" of the Eye of Terror campaign.
I have no issues whatsoever with, lets call it, "horizontal expansion", with adding breadth and depth to the state of play of the setting. What I have zero interest in seeing, and which as your own point again shows is completely unnecessary to expand the setting, is timeline advancement, AoS'ification, whatever you want to call that. I don't want to see the hard work I and many others have put into writing fluff for armies and campaigns overwritten because some hack at the studio decided to wipe out the part of the sandbox we'd chosen to play in as a stakes-raiser as they push the Black Crusade to Terra so they can justify releasing 40K Custodes, or because their insistance on writing ever-more bombasic bolterporn-style fluff has put them in a corner like it did with WHF and rather than sort it out they just push the reset button.
Horizontal expansion is GW giving us more tools to play with.
Timeline advancement is GW taking our tools away, using them, and then telling us we have to accept what they've made.
I was arguing against the latter and that it isn't required to add more stuff.
daemonish wrote: So is it blood bowl confirmed or still just speculation?
Weren't they selling it at the last FW open day?
No, but they had the first box off the production line (allegedly the first, anyway.)
should have been more specific, sorry. Is the, midnight release confirmed as blood bowl, there is a lot of AOS & 40k talk even though the title says Blood bowl, just looking for a little clarity.
The midnight event is a local thing, it could mean anything. The AoS and 40k posts are only for the giggles.
For Blood Bowl there will be a book collection on November 26 from Black Library. It will be released that day. On the first pages of this thread user Guru mentioned Blood Bowl will be released then, too.
So November 19 would be BB's preorder date and November 26 its release date.
At the Open Day they said that they were hoping for a December release, but it was something they had no say over whatsoever. Could be December, could be 2017.
Souleater wrote: Please, guys, take your 40k discussion elsewhere.
Where? A thread about possible 40k releases? Oh wait... this is one.
Willy waving arguments about the merits (or otherwise) of back story changes belong in 40K General. Not in an N&R that we haven't even coined is for a 40K product.
Hey mods or whoever edited the title. Pls do not edit my post without making clear that you edited it. I don't mind it if you change the title, but I do mind if it looks like I changed it while I didn't.
I have had correspondence with GW itself and I can confirm that I was specifically told a person (who was named named in the exchange) was hired and had "interesting ideas about restructuring" the sisters of battle. I will not name the person or the person who wrote me. I know the bs/salt applied/made this up moniker will be applied. But I tell you what I have passed along is exactly what was written to me as I have been harassing them for a long time over correspondence to get the Sisters of Battle updated. Hope this helps, although hope is the first step on the road to dissapointment. Especially for SoB players.
Not a sisters player, but I am really hoping that SoB come back in a big way. They are a really important part of the Imperium. To ignore them is an injustice. Not to mention, some of the most hardcore 40k fans on here have been asking for plastic sisters for over a decade.
Commissar Benny wrote: Not a sisters player, but I am really hoping that SoB come back in a big way. They are a really important part of the Imperium. To ignore them is an injustice. Not to mention, some of the most hardcore 40k fans on here have been asking for plastic sisters for over a decade.
People asked for lots of things for an awful lot longer. You'll just have to wait and see if Mother GW decides to throw you a bone.
Mehrines are the only iimportant part of the imperium, everything else is just a supporting role.
daemonish wrote: So is it blood bowl confirmed or still just speculation?
Someone mentioned to me that BB was a forge world release and will not be sold in GW stores at all.
There is zero chance it's not being sold in GW stores. Just because specialist games comes under forgeworld management has no bearing on which sales channels it will go into.
So could the midnight secret be the beginning of the End Times for 40K? It's the only thing I can think of for GW to do something for a Midnight opening for such a grand event to happen.
daemonish wrote: So is it blood bowl confirmed or still just speculation?
Someone mentioned to me that BB was a forge world release and will not be sold in GW stores at all.
There is zero chance it's not being sold in GW stores. Just because specialist games comes under forgeworld management has no bearing on which sales channels it will go into.
Apart from lack of change nothing is zero chance. SG games haven't been in GW stores in a long time. Just because they bring them back doesn't mean they will be selling them in stores.
tneva82 wrote: Maybe at the start but no quarantee forever.
Look at the history. When was last time SG's were on stores? Go on. You have to look preeeetty long time back.
Well yeah, there is no guarantee forever on any of their products. Luckily that isn't the prerequisite we have here, we just want them sold in stores at all.
tneva82 wrote: Maybe at the start but no quarantee forever.
Look at the history. When was last time SG's were on stores? Go on. You have to look preeeetty long time back.
Well yeah, there is no guarantee forever on any of their products. Luckily that isn't the prerequisite we have here, we just want them sold in stores at all.
Of which we have no information. Maybe they are, maybe they are like month, maybe they aren't. So far GW's track record with SG's in their stores has been pretty bad though. And total zero for FW products despite demand.
Nice attempt to move the goal posts. Initially it was said it would not be in GW stores AT ALL, now you're saying maybe but not forever. At which point did i say Blood bowl will be in GW stores for ever and ever and ever and ever ?
When was the last time a GW boxed game was sold in a GW store? Right now, and there's been a bunch of examples in the past year alone. Just because BB was a former specialist game doesn't make it a special snowflake (according to you so special they won't even sell it ), it's a boxed game.
tneva82 wrote: Maybe at the start but no quarantee forever.
Look at the history. When was last time SG's were on stores? Go on. You have to look preeeetty long time back.
Well yeah, there is no guarantee forever on any of their products. Luckily that isn't the prerequisite we have here, we just want them sold in stores at all.
Of which we have no information. Maybe they are, maybe they are like month, maybe they aren't. So far GW's track record with SG's in their stores has been pretty bad though. And total zero for FW products despite demand.
I work in a FLGS in Denmark, and was at the Forgeworld open day this summer. Through both of these channels we have been told by the designers of the game, that it WILL be available in stores. And not only in GW, but in any gaming store that has an account with GW and wants to stock it.
The plastic teams in upcoming releases will also go to general release, but the resin upgrade kits will be Forgeworld Only, and the same is expected for the Resin star player miniatures.
Apart from actually having an emali from GW that they are ready to ship them to us, it is as certain as anything can be, that yes indeed, these are going to general retail. They will not be limited to Forgeworld.
So, on this particular count at least, no the sky is not falling.
I think the last time they stocked specialist games in store (at least the starter boxes) was around the time right before they originally scrapped specialist games.
I expect the Blood Bowl game proper will be remaining on store shelves until they release a new blood bowl starter set.
Gamgee wrote: So if Blood Bowl is not the secret release what is?
I´m still fairly sure it´s Blood Bowl.
Just because it´s not secret as such, doesn´t mean they can´t try to surprise a lot of people who don´t necessarily follow Dakka/Faeit or similar sites for their rumors.
It may of course still turn out to be something else, I would just be surprised if it wasn´t Blood Bowl, since this month is the Prospero box, and they´ll need something big to drop before christmas.
And since GW has not had a history for big releases in December, I´d assume that Blood Bowl is their November big box release.
Crazyterran wrote:It's been the End Times for 40k since about 1980.
If you are going to try and make someone look foolish, please at least get your facts properly.
Fair, me not looking up the release date of Rogue Trader is about as foolish (if not a little less so) as the doom saying, complaining, and other assorted negative terms that are attached to anything people mention about a '40k end times'.
You know, since technically, the 40k setting has been in the 'Time of Ending' since the beginning.
Of course, you won't be bothered to actually acknowledge any unnecessary doom and gloom on your part, will you? Just attack the more irrelevant part of my post. Typical.
Crazyterran wrote:It's been the End Times for 40k since about 1980.
If you are going to try and make someone look foolish, please at least get your facts properly.
Fair, me not looking up the release date of Rogue Trader is about as foolish (if not a little less so) as the doom saying, complaining, and other assorted negative terms that are attached to anything people mention about a '40k end times'.
You know, since technically, the 40k setting has been in the 'Time of Ending' since the beginning.
Of course, you won't be bothered to actually acknowledge any unnecessary doom and gloom on your part, will you? Just attack the more irrelevant part of my post. Typical.
Thing is, I am not doom saying. Why wouldn't you even consider when I said End Times, with a capital E and T I didn't mean it as advancing the story? I have made the mistake many times assuming and got myself into trouble and made an arse out of myself.
Wasn't the story in Fantasy called End Times and that is why I said it that way. I should have explained it more and guess I assumed again people would have understood what I meant.
So couldn't this just be a story like that. No way am I saying this is the end for 40K, that 40K will be scrapped or be changed into something else and be changed. All I am is asking is this like a story event? Something major and something so unexpected from GW that an event like this advancing the story so Hugely, it deserved a midnight store opening to celebrate an major even with their customers and make it special.
Crazyterran wrote:It's been the End Times for 40k since about 1980.
If you are going to try and make someone look foolish, please at least get your facts properly.
Fair, me not looking up the release date of Rogue Trader is about as foolish (if not a little less so) as the doom saying, complaining, and other assorted negative terms that are attached to anything people mention about a '40k end times'.
You know, since technically, the 40k setting has been in the 'Time of Ending' since the beginning.
Of course, you won't be bothered to actually acknowledge any unnecessary doom and gloom on your part, will you? Just attack the more irrelevant part of my post. Typical.
Thing is, I am not doom saying. Why wouldn't you even consider when I said End Times, with a capital E and T I didn't mean it as advancing the story? I have made the mistake many times assuming and got myself into trouble and made an arse out of myself.
Wasn't the story in Fantasy called End Times and that is why I said it that way. I should have explained it more and guess I assumed again people would have understood what I meant.
So couldn't this just be a story like that. No way am I saying this is the end for 40K, that 40K will be scrapped or be changed into something else and be changed. All I am is asking is this like a story event? Something major and something so unexpected from GW that an event like this advancing the story so Hugely, it deserved a midnight store opening to celebrate an major even with their customers and make it special.
Did they do a midnight release for Nagash? I have honestly no idea in that regard, as I didn't have a fantasy army until after the End Times in the fantasy sense hit. (I got a little burned by starting an empire army with lots of Knights...)
Though, I suppose if anything 40k deserves a midnight release, it would be a daemon primarch. And it would fit other people previously saying Blood Bowl would be next year...
But the good money seems to be on this release being Blood Bowl, which in the other BB thread mentioned they got production running quicker than expected.
If I was GW, I would release Magnus near Christmas, as kids will have spending money after, adults will be shopping for gifts before (for family or for themselves :p), and Fenris Part two when snow is on the ground and it's the time of year where's Logan Grimnar gets on his sleigh to deliver presents to all the loyal sons and daughters of the Emperor... seems fitting.
Crazyterran wrote:It's been the End Times for 40k since about 1980.
If you are going to try and make someone look foolish, please at least get your facts properly.
Fair, me not looking up the release date of Rogue Trader is about as foolish (if not a little less so) as the doom saying, complaining, and other assorted negative terms that are attached to anything people mention about a '40k end times'.
You know, since technically, the 40k setting has been in the 'Time of Ending' since the beginning.
Of course, you won't be bothered to actually acknowledge any unnecessary doom and gloom on your part, will you? Just attack the more irrelevant part of my post. Typical.
Thing is, I am not doom saying. Why wouldn't you even consider when I said End Times, with a capital E and T I didn't mean it as advancing the story? I have made the mistake many times assuming and got myself into trouble and made an arse out of myself.
Wasn't the story in Fantasy called End Times and that is why I said it that way. I should have explained it more and guess I assumed again people would have understood what I meant.
So couldn't this just be a story like that. No way am I saying this is the end for 40K, that 40K will be scrapped or be changed into something else and be changed. All I am is asking is this like a story event? Something major and something so unexpected from GW that an event like this advancing the story so Hugely, it deserved a midnight store opening to celebrate an major even with their customers and make it special.
Did they do a midnight release for Nagash? I have honestly no idea in that regard, as I didn't have a fantasy army until after the End Times in the fantasy sense hit. (I got a little burned by starting an empire army with lots of Knights...)
Though, I suppose if anything 40k deserves a midnight release, it would be a daemon primarch. And it would fit other people previously saying Blood Bowl would be next year...
But the good money seems to be on this release being Blood Bowl, which in the other BB thread mentioned they got production running quicker than expected.
If I was GW, I would release Magnus near Christmas, as kids will have spending money after, adults will be shopping for gifts before (for family or for themselves :p), and Fenris Part two when snow is on the ground and it's the time of year where's Logan Grimnar gets on his sleigh to deliver presents to all the loyal sons and daughters of the Emperor... seems fitting.
I don't recall if they did or not. I don't think so. Thing is, this is a different or "supposedly" different GW now, so who knows what it can be. If it's about Blood Bowl, I will be disappointed. I can't see why they would go all out or make a big event, or big deal out of a specialist game like Blood Bowl. I am not saying that Blood Bowl doesn't deserve this, but I would think something like advancing the story of 40K when it has been almost steady for 30 years to be deserving such a grand release.
One way or the other, we can say at least these are "exciting times" with GW now because we don't know what they are going to do, and for 2016 have been actually pretty excited in what they do again. So for me at least seeing this "mid night opening" or Mid night release" of something should be spectacular. I would have to drive 1 hour away just for a Blood Bowl though and was hoping it would be something more "grander" than that.
I honestly don't see the point in midnight releases. Is anything really worth going to the shops in the middle of the night for, when you could go there at a reasonable hour the next day and still get the same thing?
General Kroll wrote: I honestly don't see the point in midnight releases. Is anything really worth going to the shops in the middle of the night for, when you could go there at a reasonable hour the next day and still get the same thing?
I've never seen the appeal.
Maybe I'm just a miserable old git.
That is why I thought it would be so lacklustre if it was for something like Blood Bowl or anything other than a new edition of 40K. Everything can be done the next day or during that day during normal hours. Why do I have the feeling this is like Geraldo Riveria opening ups Al Capone's vault? A whole bunch of excitement and then all of nothing and a waste of time.
Bloodbowl might be lacklustre to you, Davor, but it is worth saying that Bloodbowl still has a surprisingly large, active community, all while the game is "dead" technically.
I think it goes without saying that any game which engenders that kind of loyalty, is a pretty big deal over-all.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: ....but it is worth saying that Bloodbowl still has a surprisingly large, active community, all while the game is "dead" technically.
How large is large?
Many dead games have active communities, it's hard to gauge how large they are, could just be a few guys in a basement who happen to have an internet forum.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: ....but it is worth saying that Bloodbowl still has a surprisingly large, active community, all while the game is "dead" technically.
How large is large?
Many dead games have active communities, it's hard to gauge how large they are, could just be a few guys in a basement who happen to have an internet forum.
Honestly can't think of a "dead" game that gets sort of numbers, so we are a talking a few more than "a few guys in a basement who happen to have an internet forum" with that.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: ....but it is worth saying that Bloodbowl still has a surprisingly large, active community, all while the game is "dead" technically.
How large is large?
Many dead games have active communities, it's hard to gauge how large they are, could just be a few guys in a basement who happen to have an internet forum.
Honestly can't think of a "dead" game that gets sort of numbers, so we are a talking a few more than "a few guys in a basement who happen to have an internet forum" with that.
GW is also anticipating enough interest in Blood Bowl to warrant it having its own official website, something we haven't previously seen with any of their other non-main game releases as far as I am aware.
General Kroll wrote: I honestly don't see the point in midnight releases. Is anything really worth going to the shops in the middle of the night for, when you could go there at a reasonable hour the next day and still get the same thing?
I've never seen the appeal.
Maybe I'm just a miserable old git.
It works for Apple and game releases, so i think they will think there be a huge crowd in front of the shop.
I hope it will not be like the Xbone release in Japan
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: ....but it is worth saying that Bloodbowl still has a surprisingly large, active community, all while the game is "dead" technically.
How large is large?
Many dead games have active communities, it's hard to gauge how large they are, could just be a few guys in a basement who happen to have an internet forum.
There are, or were 30,000 players registering games on the Bloodbowl community stat tracker. :-p
A new wrinkle to this rumour is that bloodbowl is up for preorder on the 18th of November, so presumably you will be able to buy the game at midnight on the 25th.
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote: ....but it is worth saying that Bloodbowl still has a surprisingly large, active community, all while the game is "dead" technically.
How large is large?
Many dead games have active communities, it's hard to gauge how large they are, could just be a few guys in a basement who happen to have an internet forum.
There are, or were 30,000 players registering games on the Bloodbowl community stat tracker. :-p
The 2016 NAF Championship saw 144 players come from across Europe, the UK, and the US.
Chaos Cup 2016 had 81 players.
And that's not including the tournaments that happen on a weekly basis across the world. Seems pretty good for a dead game, and its why I hope GW does everything possible to integrate NAF support into the new version of Bloodbowl.
Chikout wrote: A new wrinkle to this rumour is that bloodbowl is up for preorder on the 18th of November, so presumably you will be able to buy the game at midnight on the 25th.
EnTyme wrote: My money's still on Thousand Sons/Fenris Part 2. The timeline for the leaks just lines up right.
I think this is the case as well.
But why would that particular product be that much more special than BB - or even the very similar Prospero Burns that even has the same two factions - to be the only one to get a super secret midnight release?
Cephalobeard wrote: Could it not be an expanded release for Custodes/Sisters of Silence, now that we know they're a thing?
Imagine them, Magnus, and the expanded Sons being made available this year.
What you see is what you are getting from the Sisters of Silence and the Custodes.
Their small unit size is what they are built around, there will not be more to it (At least from GW)
Has anyone even bothered to try and fact check this with other GW stores or sources?
Or is it just the one person in the OP.
Wasn't there a rumor like this last year also that never happened?
Cephalobeard wrote: Could it not be an expanded release for Custodes/Sisters of Silence, now that we know they're a thing?
Imagine them, Magnus, and the expanded Sons being made available this year.
What you see is what you are getting from the Sisters of Silence and the Custodes.
Their small unit size is what they are built around, there will not be more to it (At least from GW)
Has anyone even bothered to try and fact check this with other GW stores or sources?
Or is it just the one person in the OP.
Wasn't there a rumor like this last year also that never happened?
I don't believe you have any basis to assume there WONT be more to them beyond this, beyond simply believing there wont be. There's been a number of whispers of adding more of this, if not purely for 30k, as available models.
I'm presenting a possibility.
Until you have something from GW, you can't state it WONT EVER HAPPEN. A few weeks ago I'm sure people said the same thing about them at all, but look where we are.
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