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Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/01 19:10:28


Post by: master of ordinance


Good evening gentry and ladies alike, and step right up for another update on MoO's ongoing study of a Timmy.

Well, I do assume that some of you remember a certain individual whom was very good at bringing too many points, rolling just the right powers and forgetting rules at critical moments? Good, you do.

so, it is now some months on since my last post about this and in all honesty I have not seen much of Timmy and I have played him less (read, twice. Once because I didnt bother to check who I was replying too, and once because he got me when I was weak [read, several hours into a cider session]). He has been mainly getting up to his own thing and working on new projects, facing some others once or twice and mainly boasting over chat about his new units, or commentin on what he wants to get.
Until recently.
You see, Timmy saw the new Custodes and of course knew that he had to have some. In fact he had to have as many as he could get to bolster his legions with, and he quickly began acquiring them, boasting about how good they would be. Until a couple of us pointed out one little flaw in his plan: He only runs traitors. Well, this just would not do and so Timmy did what every sane player would not do: He started building his own legion, primarch and all.
The first thing that myself, the Viking Pirate and another player we shall call "Horus the Cheese" (an awesome guy, and really fun to face. Primarily an Ork player) knew about this plan was when Timmy messaged the former two (he doesnt really talk to Horus the Cheese any more - mainly due to reasons) about his new project. Uh-oh.

This new legion is apparently supposed to be one of the forgotten ones, called the Soul-Eater's, and they are apparently still loyal to the Emperor, allowing them to use Custodes. They are supposed to be an Assault/Buff Psychic themed army. Not too bad so far. Now, the Primarch had already been created, and it turns out that Gene has faced him (being very new to 40K Gene is an easy victim), and he is described as being a "weaker version of Angron/Horus (I cannot remember which) and so a little cheaper. He has no shooting attacks and is purely a melee focused character. This was as afar as Timmy had got and he decided to ask for help with the Legion rules. Sure I thought, and I wrote up a few rules and a unit for him, mainly in an attempt to force balance into this (that and I was bored) and he appeared to accept them (though doubtless they will be changed). Anyway, I digress. Timmy wrote two characters, one of whom is basically Tigerius, and a unit (essentially Raptors) and the RoW. Noe this is where the three of us just face palmed.

(remember that this is an assault/buff psychic themed army)
Timmy's RoW:
Benefits;
>Veterans are compulsory troops
>Devastators and one of the unique units (one I designed - essentially Dev's that can gain Ignores Cover and BS 5 if they pass an LD check, but lose a model if they fail it. Also they can only have HB's, AC's and one of the unique weapons that is basically a 15 point Assault 5 AP 4 Bolter) are non compulsory troops
>All units have move through cover
>All units have Shrouded
>The army gains an extra troops slot
>D3+1 enemy units can only snapfire on the first turn

Limitations (yes, he actually called these limitations)
>One Veteran unit must take a Land Raider as a dedicated transport. The Land Raider takes up a Troops slot (so yes, it can score)
>The army gains an extra Troops slot that must be used (I wonder what for....)
>You may take a Librarian as a free HQ choice.

And he actually thinks that this is balanced Suffice to say we really want to be there when he tries to use it at the club.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/01 19:16:37


Post by: JNAProductions


...

Joking, right? This is a joke?

Edit: Where can I find the rest of the info on this "Timmy" guy?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/01 19:22:58


Post by: Purifier


I don't get it.

Why doesn't he just go unbound and play it all together?

Do people at your club regularly make up their own rules and expect them to be accepted wholesale?

They're called the Soul-Eater's what? Soul-Eater's Hunger? I'm assuming the apostrophe is not supposed to be there?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/01 19:24:10


Post by: AnomanderRake


It's...odd? I can't really find a good logical connection between the effects of the Rite to help produce a solution, and without the Thousand Sons legion rules I don't want to recommend anything on the psychic front lest I inadvertently create better psykers than the supreme psykers.

The Rite of War looks like it's trying to grab the benefits of multiple common Rites and stick them together, without an idea of what they're trying to do I'm going to recommend not having one unless you guys can find something that a vanilla Rite doesn't do.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Purifier wrote:
I don't get it.

Why doesn't he just go unbound and play it all together?

Do people at your club regularly make up their own rules and expect them to be accepted wholesale?


Unbound isn't explicitly allowed in 30k the way it is in 40k; you'd probably have a very difficult time convincing a 30k player to play against an unbound army (especially given the ease with which you can mix and match characters and move random stuff into Troops).


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/01 19:27:37


Post by: Ir0njack


You know MoO I never genuinely wishb someone to fail at something but by the Emperor I hope you take his special snowflake legion and crush it into powder. I'm quite familiar with your stories of "Timmy" and I just don't see how you do it man, to play someone as unrepentant and just tfgish and not get fed up. I'm petitioning the ecclesiarchy to elevate you to saint status XD


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/01 19:32:43


Post by: JNAProductions


 Ir0njack wrote:
You know MoO I never genuinely wishb someone to fail at something but by the Emperor I hope you take his special snowflake legion and crush it into powder. I'm quite familiar with your stories of "Timmy" and I just don't see how you do it man, to play someone as unrepentant and just tfgish and not get fed up. I'm petitioning the ecclesiarchy to elevate you to saint status XD


Can you link me to these other Timmy stories? I'm curious.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/01 20:01:57


Post by: master of ordinance


JNAProductions wrote:...

Joking, right? This is a joke?

Edit: Where can I find the rest of the info on this "Timmy" guy?

In chronological order:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/654799.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/660763.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/698693.page

Purifier wrote:I don't get it.

Why doesn't he just go unbound and play it all together?

Do people at your club regularly make up their own rules and expect them to be accepted wholesale?

They're called the Soul-Eater's what? Soul-Eater's Hunger? I'm assuming the apostrophe is not supposed to be there?

Well, unbound is generally not allowed in 30K (thankfully). This is one thing that Timmy has never liked.

AnomanderRake wrote:It's...odd? I can't really find a good logical connection between the effects of the Rite to help produce a solution, and without the Thousand Sons legion rules I don't want to recommend anything on the psychic front lest I inadvertently create better psykers than the supreme psykers.

The Rite of War looks like it's trying to grab the benefits of multiple common Rites and stick them together, without an idea of what they're trying to do I'm going to recommend not having one unless you guys can find something that a vanilla Rite doesn't do.

It pretty much is.
As for the name I have no idea.
And no, we usually do not have homebrewed rules/units in play. Of course sometimes someone has a good idea and so long as their opponent is fine with it, it goes.


Ir0njack wrote:You know MoO I never genuinely wishb someone to fail at something but by the Emperor I hope you take his special snowflake legion and crush it into powder. I'm quite familiar with your stories of "Timmy" and I just don't see how you do it man, to play someone as unrepentant and just tfgish and not get fed up. I'm petitioning the ecclesiarchy to elevate you to saint status XD

I dont really face him anymore, what with having better things to do than waste my time with a cheat who likes to whine and complain everytime someone does something he does not like. EG, life. However, as shown above these matches do occasionally happen, and his cheating rarely helps. In the last two:
3K game. He deployed outside of his deployment zone (the triangle one from the 30K book) and may have been over points (didnt really matter). He lost almost everything.
1K game (managed to talk the size down from 2K after I came round and found out what had happened) He won, 3 to 1. And later on turned out to have brought over 1.5K's worth of stuff. Confronted him on it and havnt played him since.
He has also faced the Viking Pirate and we are pretty sure he has cheated against him as well, not that it helped him.



Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/01 23:16:39


Post by: AnomanderRake


 master of ordinance wrote:
AnomanderRake wrote:It's...odd? I can't really find a good logical connection between the effects of the Rite to help produce a solution, and without the Thousand Sons legion rules I don't want to recommend anything on the psychic front lest I inadvertently create better psykers than the supreme psykers.

The Rite of War looks like it's trying to grab the benefits of multiple common Rites and stick them together, without an idea of what they're trying to do I'm going to recommend not having one unless you guys can find something that a vanilla Rite doesn't do.

It pretty much is.
As for the name I have no idea.
And no, we usually do not have homebrewed rules/units in play. Of course sometimes someone has a good idea and so long as their opponent is fine with it, it goes.


I don't know if it's a good idea or a bad idea, I don't know what the Legion is supposed to be doing and why it isn't just getting played as one of the others. I'm especially confused as to why a psychic/melee Legion has a Rite that gives no psychic or melee benefits. Is he trying to be psychic? Melee? Gunline? Armoured? If he was just being a munchkin we could have a constructive discussion about making his Legion work but he's being a schizoid munchkin who can't decide what he wants to munchkin, I don't know where to start.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/02 00:11:31


Post by: Insectum7


Admittedly, it's a little petty of me, but I love clobbering guys like that in 40K. Resoundingly winning against a cheater while you yourself are playing completely straight is just the best.

Bonus points if they throw dice.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/02 04:56:53


Post by: Brother SRM


Why would you play with this jabroni? A 40k game takes like 3 hours, why would you spend it playing with this character if he pulls stuff like this?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/02 09:27:21


Post by: Purifier


 AnomanderRake wrote:
It's...odd? I can't really find a good logical connection between the effects of the Rite to help produce a solution, and without the Thousand Sons legion rules I don't want to recommend anything on the psychic front lest I inadvertently create better psykers than the supreme psykers.

The Rite of War looks like it's trying to grab the benefits of multiple common Rites and stick them together, without an idea of what they're trying to do I'm going to recommend not having one unless you guys can find something that a vanilla Rite doesn't do.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 Purifier wrote:
I don't get it.

Why doesn't he just go unbound and play it all together?

Do people at your club regularly make up their own rules and expect them to be accepted wholesale?


Unbound isn't explicitly allowed in 30k the way it is in 40k; you'd probably have a very difficult time convincing a 30k player to play against an unbound army (especially given the ease with which you can mix and match characters and move random stuff into Troops).


Oh, thought this was 40k.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/02 09:44:08


Post by: nareik


He apparently feels he can't compete at similar points levels, why don't you offer him a rule that he gets to use extra points over his opponent and just make it all above board?

I believe handicaps are even suggested in the 40k rule book.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/05 20:25:53


Post by: master of ordinance


Brother SRM wrote:Why would you play with this jabroni? A 40k game takes like 3 hours, why would you spend it playing with this character if he pulls stuff like this?

Only when he sends out a challenge when one is drunk, tired or focusing on something else.
nareik wrote:He apparently feels he can't compete at similar points levels, why don't you offer him a rule that he gets to use extra points over his opponent and just make it all above board?

I believe handicaps are even suggested in the 40k rule book.

Ah yes, but you see, you have to get into the Timmy mindset. If he asks for a handicap then he is admitting that he is not the best player ever in 40K and likewise his ego will take a huge hit. Ergo he insists on playing at above a set points value without the opponent knowing, otherwise he would have to admit that he is not the best general ever to play 40K.
It is the same with Timmy's everywhere.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/07 03:41:21


Post by: MrVulcanator


Just finished reading this and the rest of the Timmy Saga. Gotta say he's hilarious.

I kind of hope that you'll record a game with him sometime so we can have some ghits and shiggles.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/07 04:01:42


Post by: BBAP


 master of ordinance wrote:
This new legion is apparently supposed to be one of the forgotten ones, called the Soul-Eater's, and they are apparently still loyal to the Emperor, allowing them to use Custodes.


Still a better love story than Ultramarines. Also lol@ "Soul-Eater's"..

The Soul-Eater's Chicken Shack - it's appendage-lickin' good!

Limitations (yes, he actually called these limitations)
[...]
>You may take a Librarian as a free HQ choice.


Free Librarian - truly a crippling flaw.


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/07 22:31:30


Post by: General Kroll


This is nuts....truly nuts.

Why do people think that their opponents should let them have such an adavantage over them like this?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/08 00:14:53


Post by: jhe90


 BBAP wrote:
 master of ordinance wrote:
This new legion is apparently supposed to be one of the forgotten ones, called the Soul-Eater's, and they are apparently still loyal to the Emperor, allowing them to use Custodes.


Still a better love story than Ultramarines. Also lol@ "Soul-Eater's"..

The Soul-Eater's Chicken Shack - it's appendage-lickin' good!

Limitations (yes, he actually called these limitations)
[...]
>You may take a Librarian as a free HQ choice.


Free Librarian - truly a crippling flaw.


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?


Free.... Gah. Free.... Its still loyal so can use best units ... Yet its lost and classed as a banned subject to primarchs even. Yet emperor just loves the guy lol



Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/08 00:28:11


Post by: Engine of War


All of that.



Seriously!

I'm all for homebrew and all that.... But try to keep it balanced! bad timmy!


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/08 00:28:17


Post by: Dakka Wolf


 jhe90 wrote:
 BBAP wrote:
 master of ordinance wrote:
This new legion is apparently supposed to be one of the forgotten ones, called the Soul-Eater's, and they are apparently still loyal to the Emperor, allowing them to use Custodes.


Still a better love story than Ultramarines. Also lol@ "Soul-Eater's"..

The Soul-Eater's Chicken Shack - it's appendage-lickin' good!

Limitations (yes, he actually called these limitations)
[...]
>You may take a Librarian as a free HQ choice.


Free Librarian - truly a crippling flaw.


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?


Free.... Gah. Free.... Its still loyal so can use best units ... Yet its lost and classed as a banned subject to primarchs even. Yet emperor just loves the guy lol



There is a photo of their Primarch an the Big E bro-fisting in the Black Library, the Primarch (who is still with them and happens to be viable in the Free Psyker HQ slot) keeps a copy of it in his wallet to show off whenever he needs cool stuff from the Relics.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/08 00:32:30


Post by: jhe90


 Dakka Wolf wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
 BBAP wrote:
 master of ordinance wrote:
This new legion is apparently supposed to be one of the forgotten ones, called the Soul-Eater's, and they are apparently still loyal to the Emperor, allowing them to use Custodes.


Still a better love story than Ultramarines. Also lol@ "Soul-Eater's"..

The Soul-Eater's Chicken Shack - it's appendage-lickin' good!

Limitations (yes, he actually called these limitations)
[...]
>You may take a Librarian as a free HQ choice.


Free Librarian - truly a crippling flaw.


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?


Free.... Gah. Free.... Its still loyal so can use best units ... Yet its lost and classed as a banned subject to primarchs even. Yet emperor just loves the guy lol



There is a photo of their Primarch an the Big E bro-fisting in the Black Library, the Primarch (who is still with them and happens to be viable in the Free Psyker HQ slot) keeps a copy of it in his wallet to show off whenever he needs cool stuff from the Relics.


And despite being "lost" hebuses magic photo to get all cool weapons, and latest gear. The legion has 100 titans, bane blades and hundreds of rare warmachines!

Its got the best gear, and the primarch was the true codex writer. Guliman got so jelous he copied his book lol


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/08 00:43:01


Post by: Dakka Wolf


 jhe90 wrote:
 Dakka Wolf wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
 BBAP wrote:
 master of ordinance wrote:
This new legion is apparently supposed to be one of the forgotten ones, called the Soul-Eater's, and they are apparently still loyal to the Emperor, allowing them to use Custodes.


Still a better love story than Ultramarines. Also lol@ "Soul-Eater's"..

The Soul-Eater's Chicken Shack - it's appendage-lickin' good!

Limitations (yes, he actually called these limitations)
[...]
>You may take a Librarian as a free HQ choice.


Free Librarian - truly a crippling flaw.


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?


Free.... Gah. Free.... Its still loyal so can use best units ... Yet its lost and classed as a banned subject to primarchs even. Yet emperor just loves the guy lol



There is a photo of their Primarch an the Big E bro-fisting in the Black Library, the Primarch (who is still with them and happens to be viable in the Free Psyker HQ slot) keeps a copy of it in his wallet to show off whenever he needs cool stuff from the Relics.


And despite being "lost" hebuses magic photo to get all cool weapons, and latest gear. The legion has 100 titans, bane blades and hundreds of rare warmachines!

Its got the best gear, and the primarch was the true codex writer. Guliman got so jelous he copied his book lol


Oh SNAP!!! I didn't even think about that. Mucho creds for digging Timmy and Girlyman at the same time!


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/08 15:39:07


Post by: Verviedi


Subscribed. Tactical popcorn dispatched to location.
Please provide updates...


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/08 16:44:12


Post by: Vash108


This is fantastic. Those limitations are hilarious. I want to see how this plays out.



Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/08 17:35:20


Post by: master of ordinance


 BBAP wrote:


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?


He has (too my knowledge) complained about:

Tyranids melee being over powered

Genestealer Cults being too good

Patriarchs in particular

Ork numbers

Morkanoughts

Spacewolf outflanking

Imperial Guard numbers

Imperial Guard orders - they are OP, especially FRFSRF

Imperial Guard tank spam - six Leman Russ. He has been known to bring eight tanks plus a Typhon and none LR dedicated transports to a single game before now

Imperial Guard shooting phases

Deathwatch shooting

Deathwatch Frag Cannons

None shadowsword Baneblade chassis

Sentinels

Lasguns (no, I am not making this up, he actually thinks Lasguns are OP)

Hellguns

Macro Cannon turrets

Cover (unless it is his Marines that are taking advantage of it)

As for an update, well I have not heard anything more yet, except that he is building up his new legion (alongside the three other official ones).


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/08 19:41:32


Post by: BBAP


 master of ordinance wrote:
Genestealer Cults being too good

Patriarchs in particular


If he honestly believes that he should roll a round of CC against one of my Patriarchs - that'd shut him up right quick. Mine struggle against Warp Spiders.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/08 20:38:05


Post by: Wolfblade


Has he ever agreed to an army swap? I doubt he will as that would jeopardize his ego, but still. Maybe refuse to play him until he does. And obviously flat out refuse to play his made up legion if he refuses to accept any form of balance.

(I mean, a free libby being BAD? In what world are free units bad? Or at worst, a major discount on a land raider.)


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/08 21:06:49


Post by: blood ravens addiction


Lasguns (no, I am not making this up, he actually thinks Lasguns are OP)


Of course, the standard issue flashlight, in all its wondrous versatility and competence, is obviously far superior to the exploding missile rounds of the Adeptus Astartes, the futuristic almost magical alien superguns and the wrath of evil gods.

The ubiquitous lasgun strikes again.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/08 21:06:59


Post by: nareik


 Wolfblade wrote:
Has he ever agreed to an army swap? I doubt he will as that would jeopardize his ego, but still. Maybe refuse to play him until he does. And obviously flat out refuse to play his made up legion if he refuses to accept any form of balance.

(I mean, a free libby being BAD? In what world are free units bad? Or at worst, a major discount on a land raider.)
Jimmy gonna be bleeding kill points with that librarian perilsing about everywhere!


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/08 23:34:41


Post by: jhe90


nareik wrote:
 Wolfblade wrote:
Has he ever agreed to an army swap? I doubt he will as that would jeopardize his ego, but still. Maybe refuse to play him until he does. And obviously flat out refuse to play his made up legion if he refuses to accept any form of balance.

(I mean, a free libby being BAD? In what world are free units bad? Or at worst, a major discount on a land raider.)
Jimmy gonna be bleeding kill points with that librarian perilsing about everywhere!


Basic.. Make him pay for every upgrade...
But being Timmy ... Free relics and TDA....

Refuse to play that legion...
If you do he only say you did it once before... Why not now.n


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/09 00:45:27


Post by: Dakka Wolf


It's kind of funny how different Timmy who plays 40k is from Timmy who plays Magic the Gathering - which Timmy came first?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/09 11:40:10


Post by: Ashiraya


Another day, another 'look how pathetic this guy is' thread.

Sigh.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/09 19:03:27


Post by: master of ordinance


Wolfblade wrote:Has he ever agreed to an army swap? I doubt he will as that would jeopardize his ego, but still. Maybe refuse to play him until he does. And obviously flat out refuse to play his made up legion if he refuses to accept any form of balance.

(I mean, a free libby being BAD? In what world are free units bad? Or at worst, a major discount on a land raider.)

Nope, the closest he has ever come to was building a second army and giving it to his opponent to play.
I pretty much refuse to play him anyway (baring moments of drunkenness)
Oh most definitely, he has already been informed of my opinion (It is a wishlist power army with no downsides and one will refuse to face it unless it is altered drastically)

jhe90 wrote:

Basic.. Make him pay for every upgrade...
But being Timmy ... Free relics and TDA....

Refuse to play that legion...
If you do he only say you did it once before... Why not now.n

In all honesty I would not be surprised.
And as I have said above, I am not going to play it.

Ashiraya wrote:Another day, another 'look how pathetic this guy is' thread.

Sigh.

If you have ever actually followed the saga this started as a way for me to vent my frustrations. It has developed into a method for me to vent my disbelief at Timmy's apparent inability to grasp concepts like 'balance' and 'fair'. Hell, he seems to think "1.5K points" menas the other guy brings 1.5K and he brings 2-2.5K. Likewise with 1K games, but if you so mush as dare bring a powerful unit or something that he was not expecting then you must be cheating. Remember, this is the person whom claimed that having both a Macro Cannon and a Stormsword in a 3K game was OP, but it was perfectly fine for him to bring two Vindicatos, a Vindicator Laser destroyer, an Autocannon pred, a Melta pred, a Executioner pred, a Landraider, a Spartan, a Typhon and a contemptor.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/09 21:32:25


Post by: Abanshee


 Ashiraya wrote:
Another day, another 'look how pathetic this guy is' thread.

Sigh.


Not following along with the last 3 threads when the links were posted in page 1 of the current thread.

Sigh.

See two can play that game.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/10 05:12:01


Post by: Ashiraya


...What? That someone makes three separate threads to tell us how bad one local guy is somehow makes it better?

What fruitful discussion is there to be had in pointing fingers and laughing?

If he is so horrible then just don't play against him.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/10 05:16:37


Post by: AnomanderRake


 Ashiraya wrote:
...What fruitful discussion is there to be had in pointing fingers and laughing?...


I'm still waiting for an explanation of what Timmy was trying to do with his Legion so I can offer a constructive counter-proposal...


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/10 11:03:39


Post by: nareik


 Ashiraya wrote:
...What? That someone makes three separate threads to tell us how bad one local guy is somehow makes it better?

What fruitful discussion is there to be had in pointing fingers and laughing?

If he is so horrible then just don't play against him.
Well, we can make suggestions on what might be effective to manage/compromise the player's behaviour, as I have tried to do. Unfortunately any suggestions I make seem to get shot down.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/10 12:38:17


Post by: Dakka Wolf


What's wrong with pointing and laughing?
Almost everyone knows a 'Timmy' so it's funny to hear about a Timmy who is so far gone and unreasonable you have to assume he's fictional, if he's acually real it's funnier still, but it makes me think my group's 'Timmy' isn't a lost cause...yet...


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/10 15:09:08


Post by: Reavas


 Dakka Wolf wrote:
What's wrong with pointing and laughing?
Almost everyone knows a 'Timmy' so it's funny to hear about a Timmy who is so far gone and unreasonable you have to assume he's fictional, if he's acually real it's funnier still, but it makes me think my group's 'Timmy' isn't a lost cause...yet...


It is in essence just a circle-jerk of egos all feeding one anothers superiority complexes and further validating their own self worth as they tell themselves they will never be as bad as 'that' guy in their own minds. Frankly its a disgusting and subtle form of self-agrandizment and as a patron of slannesh I declair we need more of these threads so I can wallow in my own pride and smugness I do thoroughly enjoy these stories.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/10 15:28:42


Post by: Abanshee


 Ashiraya wrote:
...What? That someone makes three separate threads to tell us how bad one local guy is somehow makes it better?

What fruitful discussion is there to be had in pointing fingers and laughing?

If he is so horrible then just don't play against him.


Because, sometimes you just gotta unleash your anger and frustrations with someone being a total cheesemonger. I have ran into this stuff before too and it sucks to play against. It would frustrate anyone if your local "casual" meta was just full of power playing and no tactics. Especially, if you are trying to incorporate tactics into your under-powered army as much as possible, while dealing with the same rotten cheese everyday.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/10 18:52:45


Post by: Dakka Wolf


Reavas wrote:
 Dakka Wolf wrote:
What's wrong with pointing and laughing?
Almost everyone knows a 'Timmy' so it's funny to hear about a Timmy who is so far gone and unreasonable you have to assume he's fictional, if he's acually real it's funnier still, but it makes me think my group's 'Timmy' isn't a lost cause...yet...


It is in essence just a circle-jerk of egos all feeding one anothers superiority complexes and further validating their own self worth as they tell themselves they will never be as bad as 'that' guy in their own minds. Frankly its a disgusting and subtle form of self-agrandizment and as a patron of slannesh I declair we need more of these threads so I can wallow in my own pride and smugness I do thoroughly enjoy these stories.


I'd say that's an excellent point but I find myself struggling to keep track of whose side you're on. I wonder which Chaos God gets his jollies from confusion.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/11 12:28:21


Post by: master of ordinance


 AnomanderRake wrote:
 Ashiraya wrote:
...What fruitful discussion is there to be had in pointing fingers and laughing?...


I'm still waiting for an explanation of what Timmy was trying to do with his Legion so I can offer a constructive counter-proposal...


Well, his original intention was Assault/Buff psychic. But it has pretty much turned (inevitably) into a wishlist army at the last check, which was a week ago.


Well, we can make suggestions on what might be effective to manage/compromise the player's behaviour, as I have tried to do. Unfortunately any suggestions I make seem to get shot down

They where good, but the best one has to be "just not play him". Guess what a lot of people have started doing The 30K crowd already rejected him when he tried to bring MK 7 marines and a Rapier consisting of four Lascannon barrels stuck on to the prow of a Landspeeder. Horus the Cheese outright refuses to speak with him and myself and the Vikingpirate pretty much dont play against him anymore either, unless it is as part of a multiplayer game. The only one we are really worried about is Gene as he is a genuinely nice guy and a new comer, and does not seem to realise that Timmy is dicking him over.


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Dakka Wolf wrote:What's wrong with pointing and laughing?
Almost everyone knows a 'Timmy' so it's funny to hear about a Timmy who is so far gone and unreasonable you have to assume he's fictional, if he's acually real it's funnier still, but it makes me think my group's 'Timmy' isn't a lost cause...yet...

This should say something. Members of Dakka think that he made up, such is his level of awfulness and yet sadly he exists.

Ashiraya wrote:...What? That someone makes three separate threads to tell us how bad one local guy is somehow makes it better?

What fruitful discussion is there to be had in pointing fingers and laughing?

If he is so horrible then just don't play against him.

Three threads? Look up^. People struggle to believe that he exists. THAT should say something.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/13 21:53:56


Post by: master of ordinance


 MrVulcanator wrote:
Just finished reading this and the rest of the Timmy Saga. Gotta say he's hilarious.

I kind of hope that you'll record a game with him sometime so we can have some ghits and shiggles.


Ask and thy shall receive, he has just contacted me asking for an all infantry game, unknown points level yet but will probably want to use his legion. I am not inclined to take it, but if you want a genuine battrep about a game with him then let just say. I have nothing else to do on the club night.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/13 22:07:29


Post by: Verviedi


Do it. We must have a report of this. Can you post pictures too?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/13 22:08:51


Post by: gummyofallbears


I second Verviedi's comment.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/13 22:09:20


Post by: JamesY


Yeah let's see this legion that gets a free librarian as a limitation... Plus your stuff too, obviously


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/13 22:32:42


Post by: master of ordinance


Okay, its a go.
Timmy has also updated his RoW apparently:
If you kill the free Libby you get +2 VP's
If you kill the Veteran section with the Landraider, AND their Landraider you get +1 VP.

Oh, and one of the special charaters allows you to bring Predator's and Vindicator's as none-comp Troops. This is apparently balanced by the squadrons giving the enemy +3 VP's if they are destroyed.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/13 22:38:31


Post by: pm713


Didn't this TImmy have some issue with tanks?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/13 22:39:50


Post by: master of ordinance


pm713 wrote:
Didn't this TImmy have some issue with tanks?

Yes


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/13 22:40:38


Post by: Jacksmiles


pm713 wrote:
Didn't this TImmy have some issue with tanks?


As long as the tanks are on his side, I'm sure they're okay. He wouldn't use anything one could see as unbalanced, surely not!


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/13 22:41:29


Post by: pm713


 master of ordinance wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Didn't this TImmy have some issue with tanks?

Yes

I'm guessing their tanks are the exception to that problem.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/13 22:49:53


Post by: Dakka Wolf


Sounds like a riot.
If you win he might want to check your dice for weights.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/14 03:43:26


Post by: ZergSmasher


Kick Timmy's ass and drink his tears! I look forward to hearing about it.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/14 06:35:31


Post by: Wolfblade


Bring some of your own free stuff too, under your own special formation. Fair is fair after all...


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/14 08:02:32


Post by: Crazyterran


I vote for not playing against home brew stuff in general, but that's just me.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/15 11:29:17


Post by: A Town Called Malus


 master of ordinance wrote:
Okay, its a go.
Timmy has also updated his RoW apparently:
If you kill the free Libby you get +2 VP's
If you kill the Veteran section with the Landraider, AND their Landraider you get +1 VP.

Oh, and one of the special charaters allows you to bring Predator's and Vindicator's as none-comp Troops. This is apparently balanced by the squadrons giving the enemy +3 VP's if they are destroyed.


On the plus side, you know he's going to bring that stuff now so you can load up on a ton of anti-tank weaponry


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/15 18:45:56


Post by: kronk


I can't stop reading about this trainwreck player. Please keep us informed. You're the hero Dakka deserves for playing him!


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/16 20:06:01


Post by: master of ordinance


 kronk wrote:
I can't stop reading about this trainwreck player. Please keep us informed. You're the hero Dakka deserves for playing him!

Thanks Kronk

I have informed the others (barring Gene [and Timmy, obviously]) about this thread, and its fellows, so they can contribute if they wish to do so (big hint guys).

Okay, so an update on Timmy, and the coming test this Monday. It was going to be an "all infantry" game at 1.5K this Monday ( he does not go any lower) but just today I recieved this gem:
Monday up to 2k normal lists but will you use the death watch as ur primary army and use guard as alies as if you bring tons of tanks how am i supposed to see if the soul eaters are any good


So, Timmy now wants to dictate his opponents army too. And apparently he has a major problem with tanks.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/16 20:14:42


Post by: Red__Thirst


I'm in awe, MoO.

Honestly, I'd tell him the agreed upon game was 1.5k and you'll bring whatever you please. He doesn't get to dictate your army any more than you get to dictate his homebrew bullgak. (Though if you did dictate it to him I imagine it would be infinitely better written and more balanced!)

Do keep us informed. I've been following the saga of Timmy for a while.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/16 20:15:29


Post by: Wolfblade


 master of ordinance wrote:
 kronk wrote:
I can't stop reading about this trainwreck player. Please keep us informed. You're the hero Dakka deserves for playing him!

Thanks Kronk

I have informed the others (barring Gene [and Timmy, obviously]) about this thread, and its fellows, so they can contribute if they wish to do so (big hint guys).

Okay, so an update on Timmy, and the coming test this Monday. It was going to be an "all infantry" game at 1.5K this Monday ( he does not go any lower) but just today I recieved this gem:
Monday up to 2k normal lists but will you use the death watch as ur primary army and use guard as alies as if you bring tons of tanks how am i supposed to see if the soul eaters are any good


So, Timmy now wants to dictate his opponents army too. And apparently he has a major problem with tanks.


Refuse him and tell him him setting his opponent's army up for failure will not tell him if his legion is any good. And also a good list brings AT. ergo, if he doesn't bring AT, his list is bad.

Example: If I bring only guardians in an eldar list, is the eldar codex bad? No, of course not, my list building was simply crap choices, which makes them SEEM bad.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/16 21:48:11


Post by: master of ordinance


Guys:
I have a sodding Stormlord AND a Marocannon emplacement.
Do you really think I am going to let Timmy dictate my army to me?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/16 22:20:22


Post by: jhe90


Infrianty bum rush vs mechanised enemy with heavy pie plates.

Soul eaters gonna get eaten bum rushing that barrage.

Tactics wise. He lose bad without transports or some fire support.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/16 22:38:42


Post by: Matt.Kingsley


I would actually laugh to see you turn up with no vehicles and just the Macro emplacement instead in a 2k game.

"I said no vehicles!"
"This isn't a vehicle Timmy, it's a building *proceeds to D blast his tanks off the board*"


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/16 22:41:59


Post by: TheCustomLime


He wants you to play Deathwatch and Imperial Guard to see if his Horus Heresy army is any good? Wtf?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/17 00:10:21


Post by: jhe90


 TheCustomLime wrote:
He wants you to play Deathwatch and Imperial Guard to see if his Horus Heresy army is any good? Wtf?


Wait... 30k...
There's a offical balence like dpuble squad sizes etc?
To counter fact 20 man units etc.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/17 00:40:59


Post by: Pouncey


My first attempt at a fandex was an attempt to recreate Hammer's Slammers from the David Drake novels.

Powerguns were S4 AP2 Assault 2 range 24". Their standard infantry were 6pts each and came with BS4, a power gun, and a 4+ armor save.

I don't recall the stats I gave the hover vehicles. I do recall that the first playtest against my brother was brutal and swift and he never played another game with me ever again.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/17 11:06:07


Post by: CynosureEldar


 master of ordinance wrote:
Guys:
I have a sodding Stormlord AND a Marocannon emplacement.
Do you really think I am going to let Timmy dictate my army to me?


By the emperor, I hope not.


Add me to growing list of people watching this like a soccer mom with a good soap opera.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/17 16:41:45


Post by: master of ordinance


Well, another update.
I was in town today and met Timmy briefly.

The Tank character has been changed. He no longer lets you spam tanks, he now allows you to roll 2D6 and pick the highest for Warp Charges, rerolling if you wish too.

And Timmy happened to mention that the biggest vehicle he will be bringing is a Land Raider.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/17 19:12:46


Post by: Unit1126PLL


 master of ordinance wrote:
Well, another update.
I was in town today and met Timmy briefly.

The Tank character has been changed. He no longer lets you spam tanks, he now allows you to roll 2D6 and pick the highest for Warp Charges, rerolling if you wish too.

And Timmy happened to mention that the biggest vehicle he will be bringing is a Land Raider.


Whut


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/17 19:40:31


Post by: master of ordinance


Well I say met. I was waiting for a bus and he happened to show up.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/17 19:49:29


Post by: Dakka Wolf


Does he usually stalk you like that?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/17 20:12:43


Post by: Champion of Slaanesh


Dude I feel so sorry for you
I'm lucky I don't have to play against someone like this or I'd be tempted to buy 9 riptides to troll him with 10 riptides


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/18 17:46:30


Post by: master of ordinance


 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Does he usually stalk you like that?


It was by chance, the town I live near has but one bus station and his busses stand is very close to mine.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 00:14:53


Post by: master of ordinance


Well, the full battle report will be coming in tomorrow or Wednesday, depending on when I find the time, but tonight was an overwhelming success, as determined by the grumbling, complaining and outright accusations of cheese coming from across the table.

Oh, and apparently IA volume two book two is out of date, so using Super Heavies from there is cheating, one should draw them from the GW Apocalypse book, even if they do not exist within it.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 00:48:29


Post by: gummyofallbears


Haha, always fun to see the tables turned (sorta literally, as there is a table but I am not sure if it has been turned)

Can't wait for the batrep!


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 00:58:32


Post by: Unit1126PLL


Why is IA2:2e out of date? Any reason?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 01:04:52


Post by: master of ordinance


 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Why is IA2:2e out of date? Any reason?


GW Apocalypse apparently supersedes it.

A GW staff member said so. Apparently.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 01:13:05


Post by: pm713


 master of ordinance wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Why is IA2:2e out of date? Any reason?


GW Apocalypse apparently supersedes it.

A GW staff member said so. Apparently.

Well if a GW staff member SAID SO.

Tell them my GW manager said Lasguns were AP2. See if the opinion changes.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 01:24:16


Post by: flamingkillamajig


 master of ordinance wrote:
 BBAP wrote:


Just... what? Is Timmy one of those people who shows up in all the GenDis threads to whine about how Genestealers should be nerfed because 20 of them killed his Mary Sue Chapter Master?


He has (too my knowledge) complained about:

Tyranids melee being over powered

Genestealer Cults being too good

Patriarchs in particular

Ork numbers

Morkanoughts

Spacewolf outflanking

Imperial Guard numbers

Imperial Guard orders - they are OP, especially FRFSRF

Imperial Guard tank spam - six Leman Russ. He has been known to bring eight tanks plus a Typhon and none LR dedicated transports to a single game before now

Imperial Guard shooting phases

Deathwatch shooting

Deathwatch Frag Cannons

None shadowsword Baneblade chassis

Sentinels

Lasguns (no, I am not making this up, he actually thinks Lasguns are OP)

Hellguns

Macro Cannon turrets

Cover (unless it is his Marines that are taking advantage of it)

As for an update, well I have not heard anything more yet, except that he is building up his new legion (alongside the three other official ones).


I play dark eldar and don't have many games under my belt as them (though i used to play guard in 5th and 4th).

Tyranid melee is actually weak far as i can tell (which is sad given that's supposed to be their specialty). Only thing they have i actually felt threatened by was Flyrants that had guns surprisingly (they do need something good though). Dunno how their melee is but i imagine it's nasty as well. In 4th edition and earlier they were scary though.

GSC are ok but i haven't played em enough to know. GSC having too many reserves can really screw GSC if they don't prepare accordingly.

I think the Patriarch was a bit beefy but i don't think it was too great.

Had some trouble vs ork numbers last game a while back but it was more the lootaz that basically held a death zone i mostly stayed away from. Also i didn't know about some stuff like orks getting to run and charge or something. Keep in mind before dark eldar i've been out of 40k for probably 5 years while playing Fantasy instead. I don't think i'd have as much trouble with ork numbers now esp. when i get the grotesques which should laugh as they cut through them pretty easily. Nothing i faced though seems like something i'd have much trouble with if i had the right units to field.

I haven't faced any giant ork walkers yet so i can't judge.

Space wolves are cheesy for reasons other than outflanking. I don't mind thunderwolf cavalry but the wulfen must've been Ward's dying wish put into rules form. Dark eldar just don't have many good ways to kill em (perhaps groteques but then they'd just get annihilated right after). If i was guard i'd probably spam leman russ shots on em. Also i swear they give out storm shields to everybody these days.

Imperial guard numbers aren't bad and neither are DKoK (though DKoK seem harder even without the vehicles) but from what i've seen a traitor guard player has so many guys he has beaten a Tau player normally and this guy has 2 stormsurge, 1 riptide, 2 ghostkeels, 6 stealth suits (2 units of 3) and shadowsun. That said he also takes a baneblade variant.

Only order i mind is the one that avoids cover being dark eldar but it's not that bad. I'm more bummed to see an imperial guard formation with full walls and bunkers in the list and camo netting. Pray to god they don't get night fighting or their leman russ can get a 2+ cover save and you don't even want to shoot at em for fear of exposing your guys and getting annihilated. Thank god dark eldar have night vision only that game i forgot about it.

Haven't fought the tank spam yet and to a degree i fear it. I don't think i have the AT to handle it.

I know a guy that plays lots of armies and he played deathwatch. Deathwatch are very fragile. From the game i played they probably rank in the same zone as Dark eldar maybe. They aren't that good.

Frag cannons seem alright. DW need some good units and gear (perhaps he just didn't find the groove DW might have).

Dunno about the shadowsword and haven't faced super-heavy tanks yet but i hate knights with a passion after facing one. It's not entirely the firepower so much what i was also facing during it and the fact some dark eldar AT is one shot and get annihilated in durability. Also the shield that can cover a zone in line of sight is stupid. It's really good.

Never used sentinels myself but i've heard of spammed amounts of them being decent. Dunno how i'd handle a crap ton with dark eldar but they don't do much per sentinel last i checked.

Lasguns are usually garbage. They can handle hordes but only slightly. Though i do remember hurting a nurgle greater daemon a lot with them which was just silly.

Hellguns mostly suck. The AP is pretty good but the strength is crap. I laugh that they could probably hurt some stormsurge if they could get there though (and that's a big IF).

I've faced turrets and far as i know they suck.

Depends on how good the cover is which is why i'm taking more melee troops as dark eldar don't have good template or fear bomb style units for going through these things. I'd say my go to for hurting enemies in cover is Reaver jetbikes and they do their job fairly well. May be harder vs more heavily armored guys though esp. space marines with their ATSKNF or just fearless units in general causing me to get locked in combat till i can hit and run.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 01:48:09


Post by: gummyofallbears


Deathwatch shooting/frag cannons are absolutely brutal, they have AP2/ignores cover coming out of their nostrils.

HOWEVER

They are so squishy that they need that shooting to even the playing field T2 and beyond.

I'm kinda confused as to why he hasn't complained about Dark Eldar and our ability to move 36" a turn, and all of our opened top transports


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 01:52:43


Post by: flamingkillamajig


 gummyofallbears wrote:
Deathwatch shooting/frag cannons are absolutely brutal, they have AP2/ignores cover coming out of their nostrils.

HOWEVER

They are so squishy that they need that shooting to even the playing field T2 and beyond.

I'm kinda confused as to why he hasn't complained about Dark Eldar and our ability to move 36" a turn, and all of our opened top transports


Heh would you believe i actually try placing my vehicles away from my on foot units now? I've suffered too many explosion results from the open-topped vehicles that i just can not trust them to not blow up and take out a chunk of guys i need like scourge with blasters or something. Those infantry inside are in death traps. Thank god for jink but as time goes on i prefer just landing our skimmers in cover with night shields so i can still shoot with ravagers. Ravagers aren't even really good and you can only take one per heavy support choice which is absurd. Incubi are by far superior but in some cases they don't feel so hot like when enemies have terminators.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 02:25:31


Post by: gummyofallbears


Eh, I don't really care for Incubi, but I have pretty limited experience with them. I feel like they need to be taken in units of 5/6 in raiders, but I always wanna bring two units as a security policy, but they are so expensive... I might bring a unit supported by a grotesquerie, simply because the grotesquerie isn't there to kill, but is moreso there to scare the gak out of my opponent and draw their fire for the first 3 or so turns. I make sure to describe all their stats very creepy like...

I generally don't have foot units, I can't think of a good foot unit we have (besides scourge, but I like deepstriking them in with heat lances), but I definitely believe it! My kabalite trueborn feel the pain of the deathtraps quite a bit, I hate that I can't upgrade them to have a 4+ :tear:


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 07:02:45


Post by: flamingkillamajig


 gummyofallbears wrote:
Eh, I don't really care for Incubi, but I have pretty limited experience with them. I feel like they need to be taken in units of 5/6 in raiders, but I always wanna bring two units as a security policy, but they are so expensive... I might bring a unit supported by a grotesquerie, simply because the grotesquerie isn't there to kill, but is moreso there to scare the gak out of my opponent and draw their fire for the first 3 or so turns. I make sure to describe all their stats very creepy like...

I generally don't have foot units, I can't think of a good foot unit we have (besides scourge, but I like deepstriking them in with heat lances), but I definitely believe it! My kabalite trueborn feel the pain of the deathtraps quite a bit, I hate that I can't upgrade them to have a 4+ :tear:


Generally that's what i have on foot (scourge) and yes they are still very vulnerable to exploding death trap open-topped vehicles (which is pretty much all our vehicles outside of flyers). Generally it's scourge with blasters or in some cases haywire blasters (though i'm almost certain haywire are crap now in the current meta which is why i won't take them till i find a reason to).

Incubi are good or at least above average. In one case i had them take out a unit of vets on their own with one overwatch death. Then they assaulted like 20 or more guardsmen and won and murdered them (with still no other deaths to speak of beyond the one). Also as has been said they can take out anything barring storm shield units esp. if the enemy has power fists or thunder hammers. They still go first though and can do damage but it generally comes at a cost of murdering themselves in the process. You only need like 5 incubi per squad but they do work. I'd like to have 2 units of 5 in raiders and then a unit of 4 grotesques with an HQ in another raider and just move up as fast as i can to the enemy lines provided the enemy is a gun-line. If you face a melee army hang back and sort of push your raider to where you'll need it the most before they start hitting your stuff. Just for reference my 5 incubi charged and killed 6 chosen last game before they got the chance to hit back and that was his whole unit. I think one or two people were surprised at that. The Str 4 isn't so hot but the rampage on klaivex, striking at initiative with ap 2 weapons, 3+ armor and just usually hitting the enemy first as long as you don't charge through cover is pretty good. Also incubi have fleet which is good for making sure that they make their charges (grotesques and reavers don't have that).

 Ashiraya wrote:
...What? That someone makes three separate threads to tell us how bad one local guy is somehow makes it better?

What fruitful discussion is there to be had in pointing fingers and laughing?

If he is so horrible then just don't play against him.


If you don't like this thread don't comment. Works the same way. Clearly people are interested and don't mind reading but you do and don't have to.

-------

I have some power gamers at my local store. The one that always uses his power gamer tau army is having trouble finding games. The eldar player just vanished somewhere (probably into the webway but he played space wolves before if that's an indication). Not like it could be the fact he has one of the most top tier armies and isn't afraid to use it against dark eldar like me. I try my best not to play him but if he's the only one there and i won't get a game in then i have to play the guy. Trust me people make a habit of not wanting to play him and he won't tone down his list. He's also been accused of cheating as if that's needed in a game where you have TAU fighting dark eldar. Also he has a smug attitude that comes with his OP faction.

Keep this in mind. He has smart missile systems which avoid cover and probably most of our armor and can instant death much of our units while also firing units out of the shooter's line of sight. I had my bikes being killed out of line of sight with those stupid things. Yeah playing against him is a pain which is why most don't and he struggles to find a game. Most of his army has a 2+ cover save, is a riptide (3+ inv. most of the time, FnP and a 2+ armor save which is hard enough to kill 1 of) and the 2 stormsurge that just shoot you off the board. Keep in mind his 2 ghostkeel with drones, 6 stealth suits (2 units of 3), 1 riptide, shadowsun and 2 stormsurge are brought to most of his games and the fact poison only wounds gargantuan units like stormsurge on a 6 instead of 4+. There is seriously next to nothing i can do. He shoots multiple overwatch, shoots DS units coming in which are fragile, can fire out of line of sight with smart missiles and is generally un-fun to play as he barely has anything to kill. It's boring and sucks to kill 3 models for the price of your whole under-powered army.

I try to avoid games with the guy but if everybody else is in a game there's nothing i can do.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 07:42:10


Post by: Lammikkovalas


You could simply just not play him, you know? I doubt this guy is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to unpack your models.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 08:16:10


Post by: flamingkillamajig


 Lammikkovalas wrote:
You could simply just not play him, you know? I doubt this guy is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to unpack your models.


I try my best not to but sometimes it's in between nobody and playing this guy.

Unless you're talking to the thread OP in which case i don't think i'd even play that guy.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 08:25:40


Post by: gummyofallbears


Reavers have fleet, don't all jetbikes?

I think it is a matter of picking your battles, last time I used incubi I admittedly didn't understand that, shoot the choppy, chop the shooty.

They will decimate any not choppy models they charge, and even some of the lighter CC units they charge.

Lack of grenades definitely hurt though.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 08:29:01


Post by: TheMuumio


 flamingkillamajig wrote:
 Lammikkovalas wrote:
You could simply just not play him, you know? I doubt this guy is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to unpack your models.


I try my best not to but sometimes it's in between nobody and playing this guy.

Unless you're talking to the thread OP in which case i don't think i'd even play that guy.


I'd rather not play than play against the Tau player you wrote about, if everyone is avoiding him then no-one is gonna give you hard time for not playing. Eventually that guy changes his list or never gets to play, yeah it's harsh but I doubt anything else works. If you are not having fun playing him why play at all. Not playing is better than suffering through a bad game.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 09:59:50


Post by: Lammikkovalas


 flamingkillamajig wrote:
 Lammikkovalas wrote:
You could simply just not play him, you know? I doubt this guy is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to unpack your models.


I try my best not to but sometimes it's in between nobody and playing this guy.

Unless you're talking to the thread OP in which case i don't think i'd even play that guy.


I was asking you that question, I just didn't feel like sorting all the quotes to a readable form. No game is better than a bad game.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 16:23:05


Post by: master of ordinance


Okay, so as promised here is the battle report:

And some music to listen too whilst you read it:
Spoiler:



Now, I do have to say that the best quote of the night came after the game was over;
Timmy: "There is too much OP cheese in 40K, it shouldn't be allowed".

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Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 16:28:44


Post by: Verviedi


For the sake of all people who don't like downloading files, here is the report in Google Docs form. MoO, if you upload your own Google Doc version, I'll remove this.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yWvw2_Z4G98x7_EgpgoYwuiRAy0feM8fen-Ffmdn44E

And now to actually read it.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 16:53:36


Post by: jhe90


good report..

and mastery lvl 5...
primarch grade marine phsyker....

so deserved a artiallry shell ...


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 18:31:35


Post by: Otto Weston


 Verviedi wrote:
For the sake of all people who don't like downloading files, here is the report in Google Docs form. MoO, if you upload your own Google Doc version, I'll remove this.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1yWvw2_Z4G98x7_EgpgoYwuiRAy0feM8fen-Ffmdn44E

And now to actually read it.


Much appreciated. Will now read.

As a side question --- does Timmy read DakkaDakka and does he know about this?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 18:37:47


Post by: Scott-S6


 master of ordinance wrote:

Oh, and apparently IA volume two book two is out of date, so using Super Heavies from there is cheating, one should draw them from the GW Apocalypse book, even if they do not exist within it.

Is that where he gets the rules for his Terminus Ultra?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 19:09:23


Post by: Dakka Wolf


Bravo good Sir! Bravo!
Your battle rep is a thing of beauty and amusement.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 19:17:38


Post by: Wolfblade


The fact the primarch is considered on par with Magnus (psychically) is little insulting lore wise. (which is obviously nothing compared to turning a lost legion that was COMPLETELY annihilated from recorded history into his own personal mary sue army)


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 19:19:52


Post by: Dakka Wolf


 Wolfblade wrote:
The fact the primarch is considered on par with Magnus (psychically) is little insulting lore wise. (which is obviously nothing compared to turning a lost legion into his own personal mary sue army)


That's why the OP converted them to the way of the crater.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 19:23:56


Post by: Frazzled


 Insectum7 wrote:
Admittedly, it's a little petty of me, but I love clobbering guys like that in 40K. Resoundingly winning against a cheater while you yourself are playing completely straight is just the best.

Bonus points if they throw dice.


Life's too short for that gak. Better just to not play him any more. As the daughter would say "thanks, I'm good."


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 master of ordinance wrote:
Well I say met. I was waiting for a bus and he happened to show up.


Have you considered a restraining order?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 20:00:34


Post by: Grand.Master.Raziel


I got a groat says the next iteration of Mutran-Ra will have Eternal Warrior. For the same points.

In the future, maybe Timmy should spend a few less points on blinging up characters, and a few more points on some credible anti-armor units. Just a thought.

I actually wouldn't mind taking on the Soul Eaters with my Dark Angels successors. "FIRST legion, fool! What!


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 20:13:39


Post by: jhe90


 Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:
I got a groat says the next iteration of Mutran-Ra will have Eternal Warrior. For the same points.

In the future, maybe Timmy should spend a few less points on blinging up characters, and a few more points on some credible anti-armor units. Just a thought.

I actually wouldn't mind taking on the Soul Eaters with my Dark Angels successors. "FIRST legion, fool! What!


Yeah ML5 was a face palm. A space marine equal to Magnus.
Next tule. Cast on 2+ and ignore perils?

Plus eternal warrior of course....
Maybe a strengh d sword too lol?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 22:24:30


Post by: gnome_idea_what


 Dakka Wolf wrote:
 Wolfblade wrote:
The fact the primarch is considered on par with Magnus (psychically) is little insulting lore wise. (which is obviously nothing compared to turning a lost legion into his own personal mary sue army)


That's why the OP converted them to the way of the crater.

Can I use that phrase?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 23:04:05


Post by: JNAProductions


I'm sorry, ML 5? For 175 points?

Wut?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 23:05:06


Post by: Dakka Wolf


 gnome_idea_what wrote:
 Dakka Wolf wrote:
 Wolfblade wrote:
The fact the primarch is considered on par with Magnus (psychically) is little insulting lore wise. (which is obviously nothing compared to turning a lost legion into his own personal mary sue army)


That's why the OP converted them to the way of the crater.

Can I use that phrase?


I got no issue with that just be aware I don't own the copyright you will have to send ten cents to my FLGS manager every time you do.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 23:05:40


Post by: jhe90


 JNAProductions wrote:
I'm sorry, ML 5? For 175 points?

Wut?


And T5..... Marine. With so thing like a refractor field.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/20 23:09:19


Post by: Dakka Wolf


 jhe90 wrote:
 JNAProductions wrote:
I'm sorry, ML 5? For 175 points?

Wut?


And T5..... Marine. With so thing like a refractor field.


He's riding an invisible bike that trades mobility for durability...makes perfect sense.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/21 11:24:48


Post by: master of ordinance


Otto Weston wrote:

As a side question --- does Timmy read DakkaDakka and does he know about this?

Obviously Timmy does not know anything about this, and no, he does not really read Dakka anymore. When mentioned Dakka to him years back he commented on how he had come here looking for free rules and the such but found nothing, and when I suggested a couple of years back that he put his homebrews up here so that other Dakkanoughts could help balance them he said: "Why should I let strangers nerf my army".

Scott-S6 wrote:
Is that where he gets the rules for his Terminus Ultra?

No idea in all honesty.

Dakka Wolf wrote:Bravo good Sir! Bravo!
Your battle rep is a thing of beauty and amusement.

I am glad that you enjoyed it

Wolfblade wrote:The fact the primarch is considered on par with Magnus (psychically) is little insulting lore wise. (which is obviously nothing compared to turning a lost legion that was COMPLETELY annihilated from recorded history into his own personal mary sue army)

It is not a Primarch, it is a Praetor special character of some sort. He didnt bring his homebrew Primarch this time, and yes, I know exactly what you mean about his bringing back a lost legion, myself and the VikingPirate have brought it up with him, but he just reeled off the old GW speel about them allowing people to make up their own chapters, so it should be fine in 30K as well.

Grand.Master.Raziel wrote:I got a groat says the next iteration of Mutran-Ra will have Eternal Warrior. For the same points.

It would not surprise me.

In the future, maybe Timmy should spend a few less points on blinging up characters, and a few more points on some credible anti-armor units. Just a thought.

But if he did that he would not be able to bring his super killy mary sues!

JNAProductions wrote:I'm sorry, ML 5? For 175 points?

Wut?

Dont ask. I have no doubt that the other stats are just as broken, although I never got to sample them owing to Mutran-Ra hiding like a coward the entire game before making the mistake of running away from the Sisters of Silence and into a Demolition Cannon shell.

jhe90 wrote:

And T5..... Marine. With so thing like a refractor field.

Put it this way: Timmy does not think that S and T 5 are that bad for Marines. One of his older homebrews was a Chapter Master with Primarch equivalent stats,


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/21 12:53:40


Post by: jhe90


Then I proppse.

Wargear. Nerf bat.

Any unit can take nerf bat that's not a tank, flier or walker/mc/gmc

Counts as a one handed weapon for rules wise.
On hit. Any homebrew. All stats and mastery levels are reduced to one. Any buffs are reduced to 1 inch range and and all weapons profiles reduced to str 1.

1 point per model.

Troll buster.

If this rile disagreed the nerf bat takes a second profile.
Strength D. Ap1. Flesh bane. Armour bane, sunder, 2+ poison, machine killer, master crafted, relic weapon, prefered enemy homebrew.

Ignores reanimation protocols, fnp, armour saves and only can take inv save at D. AP1. With special rules apply.

Optinal Nerf arrow...

Same rules.
Fired a users BS.
Range unlimited, ignore cover, .. Can be guided by tau using marker lights.



Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/21 21:09:58


Post by: Sqauwky


In your next game you should 'borrow' one of his homebrew characters and use it as a part of your army and go out of your way to make it kill as much of his army as possible and then see what his response is he can hardly call it op because that would be admitting that his original character was broken


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/21 21:49:08


Post by: Dakka Wolf


 jhe90 wrote:
Then I proppse.

Wargear. Nerf bat.

Any unit can take nerf bat that's not a tank, flier or walker/mc/gmc

Counts as a one handed weapon for rules wise.
On hit. Any homebrew. All stats and mastery levels are reduced to one. Any buffs are reduced to 1 inch range and and all weapons profiles reduced to str 1.

1 point per model.

Troll buster.

If this rile disagreed the nerf bat takes a second profile.
Strength D. Ap1. Flesh bane. Armour bane, sunder, 2+ poison, machine killer, master crafted, relic weapon, prefered enemy homebrew.

Ignores reanimation protocols, fnp, armour saves and only can take inv save at D. AP1. With special rules apply.

Optinal Nerf arrow...

Same rules.
Fired a users BS.
Range unlimited, ignore cover, .. Can be guided by tau using marker lights.



I am so going to model that on a Thunderwolf.
Got an Apoc game next week and one of the SW apoc formations can charge from reserves.
Just gotta survive our Timmy's full BS Overwatch.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/21 22:58:15


Post by: A Town Called Malus


Nah, model it with a rubber shield and a squeezy bottle of PVA.

PVA Glue

Range: 36"
S: 1
AP: -
Type: Assault 3
Special Rules: Beam, Glue

OR

Range: Melee
S: User
AP: -
Special Rules: Glue

Glue: Any unit hit by a weapon with the Glue special rule gains the Sticky special rule. In addition to this, if a weapon with the glue special rule has more than one shot then each shot can be made against a different target, with the usual LOS and range restrictions, if the player wishes.

Sticky: A model with the Sticky special rule moves as if moving through difficult terrain and has its Initiative stat reduced to 1 if applicable. This effect lasts until the model spends a whole game turn in a River. If one model in a unit has this special rule then all models in the unit gain it as they all attempt to clean the Sticky model, getting sticky themselves. Models do not lose the Sticky rule by leaving units affected by Sticky.

Rubber Shield

A model carrying a Rubber shield has a 6+ Invulnerable save. In addition to this, any attacks made against the bearer of the Rubber Shield by models with the Sticky special Rule do not affect the bearer of the Rubber Shield or any unit they are attached to but are instead reflected back against the firing model where they will score an automatic hit. If the attack is a blast then you do not need to roll scatter, the blast will score a direct hit on the firing model. Hits reflected in this manner may not be passed to other models via Look out, Sir! To Wound rolls and Armour penetration are resolved using the Strength of the weapon fired by the model, and saves and vehicle damage using the AP of the weapon fired by the model.

The player controlling the model with the Rubber Shield may also call out "I am rubber and you are glue and so whatever you throw at me will bounce off and stick to you!" if they wish to do so.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/21 23:21:53


Post by: jhe90


 Dakka Wolf wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
Then I proppse.

Wargear. Nerf bat.

Any unit can take nerf bat that's not a tank, flier or walker/mc/gmc

Counts as a one handed weapon for rules wise.
On hit. Any homebrew. All stats and mastery levels are reduced to one. Any buffs are reduced to 1 inch range and and all weapons profiles reduced to str 1.

1 point per model.

Troll buster.

If this rile disagreed the nerf bat takes a second profile.
Strength D. Ap1. Flesh bane. Armour bane, sunder, 2+ poison, machine killer, master crafted, relic weapon, prefered enemy homebrew.

Ignores reanimation protocols, fnp, armour saves and only can take inv save at D. AP1. With special rules apply.

Optinal Nerf arrow...

Same rules.
Fired a users BS.
Range unlimited, ignore cover, .. Can be guided by tau using marker lights.



I am so going to model that on a Thunderwolf.
Got an Apoc game next week and one of the SW apoc formations can charge from reserves.
Just gotta survive our Timmy's full BS Overwatch.


I think I missed force and instant death but yeah... I'm not sure even without anything could survive that short of a titan, super heavy etc. Maybe forgot giving I lance ir melts... But id need then to range nerf arrow....

20 feet... Then all inside 3 metres double pen

If model that. We NEED pictures.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/21 23:26:23


Post by: Dakka Wolf


 jhe90 wrote:
 Dakka Wolf wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
Then I proppse.

Wargear. Nerf bat.

Any unit can take nerf bat that's not a tank, flier or walker/mc/gmc

Counts as a one handed weapon for rules wise.
On hit. Any homebrew. All stats and mastery levels are reduced to one. Any buffs are reduced to 1 inch range and and all weapons profiles reduced to str 1.

1 point per model.

Troll buster.

If this rile disagreed the nerf bat takes a second profile.
Strength D. Ap1. Flesh bane. Armour bane, sunder, 2+ poison, machine killer, master crafted, relic weapon, prefered enemy homebrew.

Ignores reanimation protocols, fnp, armour saves and only can take inv save at D. AP1. With special rules apply.

Optinal Nerf arrow...

Same rules.
Fired a users BS.
Range unlimited, ignore cover, .. Can be guided by tau using marker lights.



I am so going to model that on a Thunderwolf.
Got an Apoc game next week and one of the SW apoc formations can charge from reserves.
Just gotta survive our Timmy's full BS Overwatch.


I think I missed force and instant death but yeah... I'm not sure even without anything could survive that short of a titan, super heavy etc. Maybe forgot giving I lance ir melts... But id need then to range nerf arrow....

20 feet... Then all inside 3 metres double pen

If model that. We NEED pictures.


Will do.
Hope the first profile for each also has S- like Markerlights, doesn't actually do any damage, just Nerfs.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/21 23:37:14


Post by: jhe90


 Dakka Wolf wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
 Dakka Wolf wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
Then I proppse.

Wargear. Nerf bat.

Any unit can take nerf bat that's not a tank, flier or walker/mc/gmc

Counts as a one handed weapon for rules wise.
On hit. Any homebrew. All stats and mastery levels are reduced to one. Any buffs are reduced to 1 inch range and and all weapons profiles reduced to str 1.

1 point per model.

Troll buster.

If this rile disagreed the nerf bat takes a second profile.
Strength D. Ap1. Flesh bane. Armour bane, sunder, 2+ poison, machine killer, master crafted, relic weapon, prefered enemy homebrew.

Ignores reanimation protocols, fnp, armour saves and only can take inv save at D. AP1. With special rules apply.

Optinal Nerf arrow...

Same rules.
Fired a users BS.
Range unlimited, ignore cover, .. Can be guided by tau using marker lights.



I am so going to model that on a Thunderwolf.
Got an Apoc game next week and one of the SW apoc formations can charge from reserves.
Just gotta survive our Timmy's full BS Overwatch.


I think I missed force and instant death but yeah... I'm not sure even without anything could survive that short of a titan, super heavy etc. Maybe forgot giving I lance ir melts... But id need then to range nerf arrow....

20 feet... Then all inside 3 metres double pen

If model that. We NEED pictures.


Will do.
Hope the first profile for each also has S- like Markerlights, doesn't actually do any damage, just Nerfs.


Yeah.. S-

Just knocks everything to 1 and renders a homebrew worse than a grot. No damage as to wound etc. Its a marker light. Nerf arrows can be boosted by marker light for added BS... already has ignore cover by default.

Nerf arrow and nerf bat both only take troll buster profile if opponent disagrees with nerf bat.

If you wanted you probably could make a grenade profile too...


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/21 23:38:21


Post by: Insectum7


 Frazzled wrote:
 Insectum7 wrote:
Admittedly, it's a little petty of me, but I love clobbering guys like that in 40K. Resoundingly winning against a cheater while you yourself are playing completely straight is just the best.

Bonus points if they throw dice.


Life's too short for that gak. Better just to not play him any more. As the daughter would say "thanks, I'm good."


Not if I'm having fun.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/22 08:22:51


Post by: Scott-S6


 master of ordinance wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:
Is that where he gets the rules for his Terminus Ultra?

No idea in all honesty.

That was sarcasm. The only current datasheet for the terminus ultra is in an Ultramarines only apoc formation so his complaints about which current book you source your rules from is enormously hypocritical.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/22 23:27:21


Post by: AnomanderRake


 master of ordinance wrote:
 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Why is IA2:2e out of date? Any reason?


GW Apocalypse apparently supersedes it.

A GW staff member said so. Apparently.


Last I checked unless a book explicitly overwrites another book updating proceeds unit-by-unit. And given that 6e Apocalypse has all of one unit that was in IA2...


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/28 18:40:57


Post by: master of ordinance


Scott-S6 wrote:
 master of ordinance wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:
Is that where he gets the rules for his Terminus Ultra?

No idea in all honesty.

That was sarcasm. The only current datasheet for the terminus ultra is in an Ultramarines only apoc formation so his complaints about which current book you source your rules from is enormously hypocritical.

Hmm, interesting. Thanks for that, next time he moans I will bring that up.

jhe90 wrote:Then I proppse.

Wargear. Nerf bat.

Any unit can take nerf bat that's not a tank, flier or walker/mc/gmc

Counts as a one handed weapon for rules wise.
On hit. Any homebrew. All stats and mastery levels are reduced to one. Any buffs are reduced to 1 inch range and and all weapons profiles reduced to str 1.

1 point per model.

Troll buster.

If this rile disagreed the nerf bat takes a second profile.
Strength D. Ap1. Flesh bane. Armour bane, sunder, 2+ poison, machine killer, master crafted, relic weapon, prefered enemy homebrew.

Ignores reanimation protocols, fnp, armour saves and only can take inv save at D. AP1. With special rules apply.

Optinal Nerf arrow...

Same rules.
Fired a users BS.
Range unlimited, ignore cover, .. Can be guided by tau using marker lights.


Nice , though I dont think I need something quite that powerful yet....


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/28 22:06:17


Post by: Verviedi


Personally, I'm more of a fan of the Leman Russ Ridiculanator from the previous thread.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 02:41:30


Post by: kronk


That was a fun read.

Thank you!


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 13:56:30


Post by: master of ordinance


 kronk wrote:
That was a fun read.

Thank you!

Your welcome...

Oh, and Timmy has just messaged me. He wants me to torrent either the Mechanicum or Crusade Imperialis for him as he wants to buy a Knight for his legions.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 14:23:55


Post by: Verviedi


Torrent a French cookbook and replace the cover with the Mechanicum cover. Shouldn't be too hard finding a pic to enlarge.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 17:02:49


Post by: AnomanderRake


 master of ordinance wrote:
Scott-S6 wrote:
 master of ordinance wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:
Is that where he gets the rules for his Terminus Ultra?

No idea in all honesty.

That was sarcasm. The only current datasheet for the terminus ultra is in an Ultramarines only apoc formation so his complaints about which current book you source your rules from is enormously hypocritical.

Hmm, interesting. Thanks for that, next time he moans I will bring that up.


There was a datasheet for 4e Apocalypse that had the Terminus Ultra independent of the Apocalypse formation, but I suspect the Apocalypse formation overwrote it.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 17:54:22


Post by: Scott-S6


 AnomanderRake wrote:

There was a datasheet for 4e Apocalypse that had the Terminus Ultra independent of the Apocalypse formation, but I suspect the Apocalypse formation overwrote it.

That datasheet is long gone. Not available for download and not in any current books.

Don't forget - OP's opponent is the guy that bitches because OP uses a rules version for a unit that's still in a current book but isn't the very newest version and invents nonsense that leaves OP's units with no current rules at all.

Meanwhile, he uses a unit that only appears in a UM-only 40K Apoc datasheet for his 30K army which is not UM...


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 18:12:26


Post by: jhe90


 master of ordinance wrote:
 kronk wrote:
That was a fun read.

Thank you!

Your welcome...

Oh, and Timmy has just messaged me. He wants me to torrent either the Mechanicum or Crusade Imperialis for him as he wants to buy a Knight for his legions.


No no. No.

You wanna buy nice toys and books...
Use own money. Timmy can do that himself or pay for it like normal people.



Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 18:15:07


Post by: Martel732


I would agree to this guy as long as I can play with half price angry marines against him


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 19:01:09


Post by: master of ordinance


 jhe90 wrote:
 master of ordinance wrote:
 kronk wrote:
That was a fun read.

Thank you!

Your welcome...

Oh, and Timmy has just messaged me. He wants me to torrent either the Mechanicum or Crusade Imperialis for him as he wants to buy a Knight for his legions.


No no. No.

You wanna buy nice toys and books...
Use own money. Timmy can do that himself or pay for it like normal people.


Well, he could do that.... Or he could spend the money on new shiny models. Big models.
It was the same with his 30K Infantry - until recently almost every model was a MK VII marine painted up in 30K colours.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 19:08:18


Post by: jhe90


 master of ordinance wrote:
 jhe90 wrote:
 master of ordinance wrote:
 kronk wrote:
That was a fun read.

Thank you!

Your welcome...

Oh, and Timmy has just messaged me. He wants me to torrent either the Mechanicum or Crusade Imperialis for him as he wants to buy a Knight for his legions.


No no. No.

You wanna buy nice toys and books...
Use own money. Timmy can do that himself or pay for it like normal people.


Well, he could do that.... Or he could spend the money on new shiny models. Big models.
It was the same with his 30K Infantry - until recently almost every model was a MK VII marine painted up in 30K colours.


With the board games... 37 marines, 37 in another...
With the 30k stuff. And the extras.

There not hard to get your hands on.
If you can afford a forgewoeld knight!

I'm not a purist. But at least try to get armour marks right...


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 20:25:43


Post by: master of ordinance


Well, he has since got some MK IV and III armour models, so that is something.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 20:32:57


Post by: jhe90


 master of ordinance wrote:
Well, he has since got some MK IV and III armour models, so that is something.


That's somthibf. At least get the right looking models.
And its not like before being all resin.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 21:27:37


Post by: master of ordinance


Mind you, some of the conversions/proxies still nark us. Like his Rapier that is made out of a Landspeeder prow and four Lascannon barrels.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 21:55:26


Post by: arvendragon


 master of ordinance wrote:
Mind you, some of the conversions/proxies still nark us. Like his Rapier that is made out of a Landspeeder prow and four Lascannon barrels.


Any way we can see some of these conversions and proxies? And the army?


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/29 22:27:14


Post by: master of ordinance


arvendragon wrote:
 master of ordinance wrote:
Mind you, some of the conversions/proxies still nark us. Like his Rapier that is made out of a Landspeeder prow and four Lascannon barrels.


Any way we can see some of these conversions and proxies? And the army?


I did link in the Battle Report a page back, there are some of his figures on there, but none of the bad ones thankfully.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2016/12/30 02:16:33


Post by: kronk


 master of ordinance wrote:
 kronk wrote:
That was a fun read.

Thank you!

Your welcome...

Oh, and Timmy has just messaged me. He wants me to torrent either the Mechanicum or Crusade Imperialis for him as he wants to buy a Knight for his legions.


Tell him you don't want to get in trouble. He can buy his own.


Timmy designs a Legion @ 2017/01/01 20:42:08


Post by: CynosureEldar


 master of ordinance wrote:
Mind you, some of the conversions/proxies still nark us. Like his Rapier that is made out of a Landspeeder prow and four Lascannon barrels.


I gotta see this. Tell him Dakka wants to praise his "excellent work", or, you know, just like sneak picture. Whatever works.