So, the latest leaked snippets from January’s White Dwarf reveal a new book titled Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia.

Now, in terms of the 40k setting, the Fall of Cadia is a pretty huge event. Perhaps the most significant event for a few thousand years?

So what are the implications (assuming the Fall does happen)?

Where is the setting going?

How much ground needs to be covered between Cadia falling and the Imperium collapsing?

What constitutes a collapse of the Imperium? Death of the Emperor and with it the Astronomican?

What does an Astronomican-less Imperium look like? Isolated pocket Empires?

Do you think that the Fall of Cadia is the last event of the 41st millennium and of 7th edition, or is there going to be a Gathering Storm: Siege of Terra before then? Again, how much ground needs to be covered between these two events?

Susequently, how does 8th Edition begin?



Let the conjecture flow.....

Retcon.

At least that's what happened last time.

It will fall over my dead body! No, wait, that sounds too much like a slapstick gag

ChazSexington wrote:Retcon.

At least that's what happened last time.

Yeah sadly no matter what GW does, while I will enjoy the ride they are doing, I have this nagging feeling this is all for not and it will be just like Dallas and "it was all a dream" and means nothing.

It means I get increasingly bored of the narrowing of the scope of 40K. It's fine though, as I'm planning on ignoring it all and running a mini-40K campaign that has nothing to do with any of all this tedious "storyline advancement" or any of the boring special characters.

I'm guessing it means Abaddon gets his arms back.

Davor wrote:

ChazSexington wrote:Retcon.

At least that's what happened last time.

Yeah sadly no matter what GW does, while I will enjoy the ride they are doing, I have this nagging feeling this is all for not and it will be just like Dallas and "it was all a dream" and means nothing.

Wish that had been so in fb side.

The setting's headed toward the fall of the Imperium. The Golden Throne is about to fail, and there's a famous short story referencing the yet-undetected loss of a massive number of Imperial planets.

Shortly after the turn of the millennium, Imperial space travel will become impossible, and the Imperium can no longer shuffle forces around to defend itself. Thus any Imperial worlds will be forced to fend for themselves.

In terms of what it means for the tabletop game, that's entirely up to GW. The tabletop game is designed to take place not only in the most recent lore, but also thoughout almost all of the 10,000 years following the Horus Heresy and we're encouraged to invent our own fiction for our battles. There's no real reason any army or models have to be taken OOP by the lore advancing past any plot point, as dead characters have been playable before. Cadian models can stay in-production if desired, and stories can still be written about Cadia before its fall or even the various Cadian regiments still throughout the Imperium still in operation after the fall of their homeworld.

They seem reticent to move the story in any meaningful way, and if they did there would be an outcry from whichever planet/faction/character gets quashed.
Ideally Chaos would prove what a threat they are and not just overrun Cadia but start to divide the imperium's domain. The other enemies of man can then start picking off isolated areas

So are they going to retcon the retcon they made after the black crusade campaign? I wonder if they will retcon the fall of Cadia after this campaign, this will become retconception.

Chaos will spend so much resources on pushing through Cadia that will not be able to push further in, the Imperium will set up a new Cadia on the nearest planet(s) worth holding

 Bobthehero wrote:
Chaos will spend so much resources on pushing through Cadia that will not be able to push further in, the Imperium will set up a new Cadia on the nearest planet(s) worth holding

Now that you mention it, given how, uh, space works, why have the Chaos commanders never said, "Cadia's too much of a pain in the butt, we'll probably never take it. Let's just bypass the system entirely and go for other targets that aren't so ludicrously well-defended."

 Pouncey wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Chaos will spend so much resources on pushing through Cadia that will not be able to push further in, the Imperium will set up a new Cadia on the nearest planet(s) worth holding

Now that you mention it, given how, uh, space works, why have the Chaos commanders never said, "Cadia's too much of a pain in the butt, we'll probably never take it. Let's just bypass the system entirely and go for other targets that aren't so ludicrously well-defended."

The fall of Cadia allows for the destruction of the Necron pilons which hold back the eye of terror. Their destruction allows the 'crimson path' to extend all the way to Cadia effectively turning all planets in it's path into Daemon worlds.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Chaos will spend so much resources on pushing through Cadia that will not be able to push further in, the Imperium will set up a new Cadia on the nearest planet(s) worth holding

Now that you mention it, given how, uh, space works, why have the Chaos commanders never said, "Cadia's too much of a pain in the butt, we'll probably never take it. Let's just bypass the system entirely and go for other targets that aren't so ludicrously well-defended."

The fall of Cadia allows for the destruction of the Necron pilons which hold back the eye of terror. Their destruction allows the 'crimson path' to extend all the way to Cadia effectively turning all planets in it's path into Daemon worlds.

Oh.

So what you're saying is that Chaos should Exterminatus Cadia with a virus bomb?

I believe the only way to destroy the pilons is to perform millions of Daemonic rituals on Cadia to overlord them with warp energy... Or something to that affect.

Virus bomb, hold space around it, send in whatever needs to be sent on the surface to make the pylons go away.

Admitedly, that's a still a large ordeal, considering how hard it is for Chaos to achieve space superiority.

 mrhappyface wrote:
I believe the only way to destroy the pilons is to perform millions of Daemonic rituals on Cadia to overlord them with warp energy... Or something to that affect.

Something wrong with cyclonic torpedoes?

GW came up with some reason why the planet couldn't be destroyed/the surface and atmosphere destroyed but I can't remember what it was. If it was that easy the planet killer could have just destroyed Cadia.

I think it'd be hilarious if the chaos marine fleet conquered cadia, got ready to roll into the imperium proper, and ran smack-dab into a whole tyranid hive fleet

and then they're all like "WEEERE the big scary threat that's going to eat the imperium!" and they'll go "no WEEEEERE the big scary threat that's going to eat the imperium!!!!" and have a WWE style smackdown match.

the_scotsman wrote:
I think it'd be hilarious if the chaos marine fleet conquered cadia, got ready to roll into the imperium proper, and ran smack-dab into a whole tyranid hive fleet

and then they're all like "WEEERE the big scary threat that's going to eat the imperium!" and they'll go "no WEEEEERE the big scary threat that's going to eat the imperium!!!!" and have a WWE style smackdown match.

And then gazillions of Orks turn up and smash them both

 mrhappyface wrote:
GW came up with some reason why the planet couldn't be destroyed/the surface and atmosphere destroyed but I can't remember what it was. If it was that easy the planet killer could have just destroyed Cadia.

Like in movies, when the bad guy has a very clear and easy path to victory, so the screenwriter interjects some arbitrary obstacle so the heroes can win instead.

Chaos are going to swarm across the galaxy and there's going to be even MORE grimdark.

Age of the Emperor.

On the livestream today, they confirmed that Fall of Cadia is only the start of the story - they also confirmed that the galaxy will still be standing when this is all done.

Clearly GW, is planning to resurrect the Emperor so they can put out a $200 model to coincide with the release of 8th edition.

n0t_u wrote:I'm guessing it means Abaddon gets his arms back.

Good point. A new Abaddon sculpt would be great. Surely a certainty?

Robin5t wrote:On the livestream today, they confirmed that Fall of Cadia is only the start of the story - they also confirmed that the galaxy will still be standing when this is all done.

But will the Imperium? I didn't see the livestream, seems like there was some good info in it though.

So more to come between the Fall of Cadia and (presumably) 8th Edition?

General Kroll wrote:Chaos are going to swarm across the galaxy and there's going to be even MORE grimdark.

I'd be happy with this. If the outcome of all this advancement of the timeline is more grimdark and a more fractious Galaxy and even a fractured Empire, I'd be delighted.

I just hope the Imperium doesn't go the way of the Fantasy Empire.

 Robin5t wrote:
On the livestream today, they confirmed that Fall of Cadia is only the start of the story - they also confirmed that the galaxy will still be standing when this is all done.

Uhh, by "galaxy" do they actually mean "Imperium"?

Because the entire Imperium could be destroyed, every human killed, and the galaxy would be just fine.

And the Imperium only spans like a third to half of the Milky Way anyways.

 Bobthehero wrote:
I just hope the Imperium doesn't go the way of the Fantasy Empire.

Well, it could be the same... but different.

If the Astronomican falls, then I guess the unified Imperium suddenly becomes a whole load of isolated worlds (or groups of worlds)? Which will sound familiar.

However, the Imperium would still be a thing (after a fashion).... and there'd still be spaceships.

 alanmckenzie wrote:

n0t_u wrote:I'm guessing it means Abaddon gets his arms back.

Good point. A new Abaddon sculpt would be great. Surely a certainty?

A good AFD prank would be a plastic Abaddon sculpt with enormous metal arms, "for nostalgia's sake."

 Pouncey wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
On the livestream today, they confirmed that Fall of Cadia is only the start of the story - they also confirmed that the galaxy will still be standing when this is all done.

Uhh, by "galaxy" do they actually mean "Imperium"?

Because the entire Imperium could be destroyed, every human killed, and the galaxy would be just fine.

And the Imperium only spans like a third to half of the Milky Way anyways.

I think what they meant was that the galaxy wouldn't be AOS'd, to be honest, but it was only a throwaway quote and it wasn't elaborated on further.

Basically, they're advancing the plot but not ending it, starting next year we're going to see some really major stuff going on - they're going all-out with it being the 30 year anniversary of 40k.

 Robin5t wrote:
I think what they meant was that the galaxy wouldn't be AOS'd, to be honest, but it was only a throwaway quote and it wasn't elaborated on further.

Basically, they're advancing the plot but not ending it, starting next year we're going to see some really major stuff going on - they're going all-out with it being the 30 year anniversary of 40k.

Well, hopefully it's a sign that they're not gonna do with any 40k factions what they did with WHFB Dark Elves and Bretonnians.

Personally I'd love to see the story shift to Chaos overwhelming the majority of the known universe. It wouldn't have to change much of anything in the codices etc., but the story would be far cooler.

Space Marine chapters on the run (maybe some home-worlds destroyed). Fleets being hunted down. Craftworld Eldar hiding small Imperial forces in the webway etc. The Dark Eldar enjoying picking on all the scraps from the fighting, etc.

Tau would be wiped out pretty damn quick though.

 Elbows wrote:
Personally I'd love to see the story shift to Chaos overwhelming the majority of the known universe. It wouldn't have to change much of anything in the codices etc., but the story would be far cooler.

Space Marine chapters on the run (maybe some home-worlds destroyed). Fleets being hunted down. Craftworld Eldar hiding small Imperial forces in the webway etc. The Dark Eldar enjoying picking on all the scraps from the fighting, etc.

Tau would be wiped out pretty damn quick though.

The drastic over-focusing of the story and game on the Imperium has become tiresome, personally, and I'd like to see the focus of the story get spread around to more factions.

I can't see the Imperium vanishing wholesale as the Empire has in fantasy. It's a massive part of their branding.

It could split and fracture and be beset on all side (more than it is now) though. Which would allow for more focus on other factions.

 General Kroll wrote:
I can't see the Imperium vanishing wholesale as the Empire has in fantasy. It's a massive part of their branding.

It could split and fracture and be beset on all side (more than it is now) though. Which would allow for more focus on other factions.

Yeah, I never suggested that the Imperium should be utterly destroyed, just for the spotlight to be spread around more.

 General Kroll wrote:
I can't see the Imperium vanishing wholesale as the Empire has in fantasy. It's a massive part of their branding.

It could split and fracture and be beset on all side (more than it is now) though. Which would allow for more focus on other factions.

I like an Imperium civil war as a fluff justification for why most battles involve loyalist Marines fighting other loyalist Marines.

hmm fall of Cadia, sounds like an intro to a new IG army to me, they do away with the Cadian boxs and bring in a new army to lead the charge or such.

in other words one big marketing ploy.

Asterios wrote:
hmm fall of Cadia, sounds like an intro to a new IG army to me, they do away with the Cadian boxs and bring in a new army to lead the charge or such.

in other words one big marketing ploy.

If thatgives us greatcoats (or Mordians ) in plastic with GSC proportions they can blow up Cadia, market ploy and release all the Primarchs they want. Even Roboute in a roller skate dread or whatever.

 General Kroll wrote:
I can't see the Imperium vanishing wholesale as the Empire has in fantasy. It's a massive part of their branding.

It could split and fracture and be beset on all side (more than it is now) though. Which would allow for more focus on other factions.

QFT. It's all about IP. WFB had major IP (and retail) issues, hence the destruction of the old world, whereas the 40K IP is much more defensible (and valuable). In fact, advancing the story line allows them to grow/enhance the IP. So as others have said, won't see wholesale destruction, but I wouldn't be shocked to see the second siege of Terra which gives GW the excuse to bring out a bunch of new books, Primarchs, and other new models, but doesn't leave the Imperium destroyed. Though with Primarchs, maybe it gets carved up into fiefdoms and no longer the monolithic entity its currently made out to be.

 Asmodai wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
I can't see the Imperium vanishing wholesale as the Empire has in fantasy. It's a massive part of their branding.

It could split and fracture and be beset on all side (more than it is now) though. Which would allow for more focus on other factions.

I like an Imperium civil war as a fluff justification for why most battles involve loyalist Marines fighting other loyalist Marines.

Yeah, they did that once. It was called the Horus Heresy.

Well they announced awhile back that one of the Primarchs is coming back I'm going to go out on limb and say rather then Russ or Lion it will be Roboute Guilliman. Chaos will run rampant they will be knocking on the Emperor's door all hope seems lost when out of no where the orks slam into chaos from behind pissed that the missed some of the greatest fighting to be had. Still earth is mostly done for. However the Emperor enacts some dues ex machina to keep the Astronomicon going....from Ultrimar. He dies leaving some message about being reborn or directly fighting the chaos gods in the warp. (Maybe with aid from the Eldar maybe not.)

Roboute Guilliman leads/rules however the Imperium is mightily fractured and the new Astronomicon location has thrown off routes greatly. Worlds are rebelling, Whole Chapters are going Rogue (Claiming Guilliman is stealing the throne), and more. While certainly still probably the biggest and baddest on the block the Imperium can no longer be as wasteful as it was previously. Leading to Guilliman completely overhauling the system.

Thus you have a pretty heavily shaken state of affairs. (Much more opportunity for factions to be fighting amoungst themselves and allying with whoever.) but without invalidating any armies or fluff for the most part.

Khadorstompy wrote:
Well they announced awhile back that one of the Primarchs is coming back I'm going to go out on limb and say rather then Russ or Lion it will be Roboute Guilliman. Chaos will run rampant they will be knocking on the Emperor's door all hope seems lost when out of no where the orks slam into chaos from behind pissed that the missed some of the greatest fighting to be had. Still earth is mostly done for. However the Emperor enacts some dues ex machina to keep the Astronomicon going....from Ultrimar. He dies leaving some message about being reborn or directly fighting the chaos gods in the warp. (Maybe with aid from the Eldar maybe not.)

Roboute Guilliman leads/rules however the Imperium is mightily fractured and the new Astronomicon location has thrown off routes greatly. Worlds are rebelling, Whole Chapters are going Rogue (Claiming Guilliman is stealing the throne), and more. While certainly still probably the biggest and baddest on the block the Imperium can no longer be as wasteful as it was previously. Leading to Guilliman completely overhauling the system.

Thus you have a pretty heavily shaken state of affairs. (Much more opportunity for factions to be fighting amoungst themselves and allying with whoever.) but without invalidating any armies or fluff for the most part.

Magnus.

Magnus is a Primarch. And he's back now.

They said a loyalist Primarch was coming back as well as Magnus.

Yeah, the lion was the rumour.

Wouldn't mind seeing Stompy's thoughts coming to fruition though.

I am a Guilliman fan however.

 alanmckenzie wrote:
Yeah, the lion was the rumour.

I inherently doubt any and all rumors. I've seen enough of them fail to come true in my time that they're not worth believing anymore.

Huron black heart wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
I think it'd be hilarious if the chaos marine fleet conquered cadia, got ready to roll into the imperium proper, and ran smack-dab into a whole tyranid hive fleet

and then they're all like "WEEERE the big scary threat that's going to eat the imperium!" and they'll go "no WEEEEERE the big scary threat that's going to eat the imperium!!!!" and have a WWE style smackdown match.

And then gazillions of Orks turn up and smash them both

Then the Necrons finish their morning coffee and say "Alright. Let's do this!"

Pouncey wrote:

 alanmckenzie wrote:
Yeah, the lion was the rumour.

I inherently doubt any and all rumors. I've seen enough of them fail to come true in my time that they're not worth believing anymore.

Kind of like those plastic sisters that are never coming even though we now have a photo of a plastic sisters unit?

 EnTyme wrote:
Kind of like those plastic sisters that are never coming even though we now have a photo of a plastic sisters unit?

I believe the photographs.

I don't believe the rumors.

I also don't think that the past decade of semi-annual "plastic Sisters are coming soon!" rumors were prophesizing 2017 as the target year.

 mrhappyface wrote:
They said a loyalist Primarch was coming back as well as Magnus.

I hope he's as big as Magnus for no reason.

 andysonic1 wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
They said a loyalist Primarch was coming back as well as Magnus.

I hope he's as big as Magnus for no reason.

Man, Guilliman's really let himself go.

Hopefully it will mean a new plastic line of guardsmen. I've always wanted to collect an imperial army but the poses and proportions just don't do it for me. Bring it on.

I'd love some models with EVA-style full face helmets. I have an idea, and would like a solution that doesn't involve mass-cloning that one DE head.

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

 andysonic1 wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
They said a loyalist Primarch was coming back as well as Magnus.

I hope he's as big as Magnus for no reason.

Man, Guilliman's really let himself go.

Just rescale Creed up to 9" tall.

 Asmodai wrote:

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

 andysonic1 wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
They said a loyalist Primarch was coming back as well as Magnus.

I hope he's as big as Magnus for no reason.

Man, Guilliman's really let himself go.

Just rescale Creed up to 9" tall.

A GMC-sized Creed would be hilarious too.

dosiere wrote:
Hopefully it will mean a new plastic line of guardsmen. I've always wanted to collect an imperial army but the poses and proportions just don't do it for me. Bring it on.

If it does, I'm hoping for the models from the new regiment being roughly 50-50 male and female. : D

Did Magnus get banished at the end if the Fenris campaign or did he leave? If he is banished, he's out of the fight for the Black Crusade coming up.

dosiere wrote:
Hopefully it will mean a new plastic line of guardsmen. I've always wanted to collect an imperial army but the poses and proportions just don't do it for me. Bring it on.

It would be a great excuse to retire the Cadian line. Cadians will still be present in the universe (in the billions) but it will be nice to see some of the other IG regiments in plastic or entirely new ones. One of the largest draws of the IG for me is the vast number of regiments and how each of them vary not only in appearance but also have very different combat doctrines. Currently that isn't really reflected on the tabletop. 9 times out of 10 you will see Cadian IG players because you cannot buy any of the other regiments in stores and many of the models are OOP entirely.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Did Magnus get banished at the end if the Fenris campaign or did he leave? If he is banished, he's out of the fight for the Black Crusade coming up.

Given GW's old practise of writing their staffers' games into the fluff, and the result of the game the other day, I'd say he was banished by a single Helfrost shot.

Commissar Benny wrote:

dosiere wrote:
Hopefully it will mean a new plastic line of guardsmen. I've always wanted to collect an imperial army but the poses and proportions just don't do it for me. Bring it on.

It would be a great excuse to retire the Cadian line. Cadians will still be present in the universe (in the billions) but it will be nice to see some of the other IG regiments in plastic or entirely new ones. One of the largest draws of the IG for me is the vast number of regiments and how each of them vary not only in appearance but also have very different combat doctrines. Currently that isn't really reflected on the tabletop. 9 times out of 10 you will see Cadian IG players because you cannot buy any of the other regiments in stores and many of the models are OOP entirely.

What happened to the Catachan plastics, exactly?

 Pouncey wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:

dosiere wrote:
Hopefully it will mean a new plastic line of guardsmen. I've always wanted to collect an imperial army but the poses and proportions just don't do it for me. Bring it on.

It would be a great excuse to retire the Cadian line. Cadians will still be present in the universe (in the billions) but it will be nice to see some of the other IG regiments in plastic or entirely new ones. One of the largest draws of the IG for me is the vast number of regiments and how each of them vary not only in appearance but also have very different combat doctrines. Currently that isn't really reflected on the tabletop. 9 times out of 10 you will see Cadian IG players because you cannot buy any of the other regiments in stores and many of the models are OOP entirely.

What happened to the Catachan plastics, exactly?

The catachan as badass as they are, are an intimidating army to start collecting. The amount of skin exposed on catachan is an absolute nightmare to paint. It put me off from collecting the army entirely. I'm sure I am not alone in that. I'd even go as far as to say it is probably the most difficult army to paint in all of 40k. Reasons being, the models are human. We are human. We know what humans are supposed to look like so naturally we are going to be overly critical if said models look off in any way. With so much skin exposed on catachans, there is literally tens of hours of extra work to do per model vs. other IG lines. You need to add scars, tattoo, extra dry brushing for muscles etc etc.

Love the catachan background, but it was a bad choice as an alternative regiment to stock in stores.

Commissar Benny wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:

dosiere wrote:
Hopefully it will mean a new plastic line of guardsmen. I've always wanted to collect an imperial army but the poses and proportions just don't do it for me. Bring it on.

It would be a great excuse to retire the Cadian line. Cadians will still be present in the universe (in the billions) but it will be nice to see some of the other IG regiments in plastic or entirely new ones. One of the largest draws of the IG for me is the vast number of regiments and how each of them vary not only in appearance but also have very different combat doctrines. Currently that isn't really reflected on the tabletop. 9 times out of 10 you will see Cadian IG players because you cannot buy any of the other regiments in stores and many of the models are OOP entirely.

What happened to the Catachan plastics, exactly?

The catachan as badass as they are, are an intimidating army to start collecting. The amount of skin exposed on catachan is an absolute nightmare to paint. It put me off from collecting the army entirely. I'm sure I am not alone in that. I'd even go as far as to say it is probably the most difficult army to paint in all of 40k. Reasons being, the models are human. We are human. We know what humans are supposed to look like so naturally we are going to be overly critical if said models look off in any way. With so much skin exposed on catachans, there is literally tens of hours of extra work to do per model vs. other IG lines. You need to add scars, tattoo, extra dry brushing for muscles etc etc.

Love the catachan background, but it was a bad choice as an alternative regiment to stock in stores.

Uhh... You know that all Tyranid models are fully naked, right?

Also personally I've, uh, kinda recognized I'm not a very good painter and am willing to settle for "good enough" instead of insisting on near-perfect paintjobs. I actually owned a Catachan army before the Cadian plastics came out, and my paint jobs were pretty bad. If I remember right, I even misinterpreted the entirely bare chests for thin vests and painted them in the same color as the rest of the uniform.

 Pouncey wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:

dosiere wrote:
Hopefully it will mean a new plastic line of guardsmen. I've always wanted to collect an imperial army but the poses and proportions just don't do it for me. Bring it on.

It would be a great excuse to retire the Cadian line. Cadians will still be present in the universe (in the billions) but it will be nice to see some of the other IG regiments in plastic or entirely new ones. One of the largest draws of the IG for me is the vast number of regiments and how each of them vary not only in appearance but also have very different combat doctrines. Currently that isn't really reflected on the tabletop. 9 times out of 10 you will see Cadian IG players because you cannot buy any of the other regiments in stores and many of the models are OOP entirely.

What happened to the Catachan plastics, exactly?

The catachan as badass as they are, are an intimidating army to start collecting. The amount of skin exposed on catachan is an absolute nightmare to paint. It put me off from collecting the army entirely. I'm sure I am not alone in that. I'd even go as far as to say it is probably the most difficult army to paint in all of 40k. Reasons being, the models are human. We are human. We know what humans are supposed to look like so naturally we are going to be overly critical if said models look off in any way. With so much skin exposed on catachans, there is literally tens of hours of extra work to do per model vs. other IG lines. You need to add scars, tattoo, extra dry brushing for muscles etc etc.

Love the catachan background, but it was a bad choice as an alternative regiment to stock in stores.

Uhh... You know that all Tyranid models are fully naked, right?

Also personally I've, uh, kinda recognized I'm not a very good painter and am willing to settle for "good enough" instead of insisting on near-perfect paintjobs. I actually owned a Catachan army before the Cadian plastics came out, and my paint jobs were pretty bad. If I remember right, I even misinterpreted the entirely bare chests for thin vests and painted them in the same color as the rest of the uniform.

Yeah, Orks/Tyranids etc are all skin but with those being xenos its much easier to overlook painting errors and abnormalities because they are not human. I commend anyone who attempts to paint a catachan army. It has to be the hardest army to paint out there. All skin, muscle drybrushing, need to add scars, tattoos, have a mixture of racial colors, and if anything looks off you'll be criticized for it. A normal Steel Legion guardsman takes me close to 30 hours per model. I'd be looking at closer to 40-45 on a catachan.

Getting a little side tracked, but I guess the point I was making is with the fall of Cadia it opens up new opportunities for GW to either bring some of the older regiments back in plastic or create an entirely new regiment. I feel like after 1-2 pewter runs, 1-2 plastic runs and Cadian models available from Forgeworld, anyone who was interested in the Cadian aesthetic has likely made their investment. Catachans as mentioned above are a totally badass regiment and while their availability is good, it is completely off putting for new players. Very very difficult to paint.

Commissar Benny wrote:
Yeah, Orks/Tyranids etc are all skin but with those being xenos its much easier to overlook painting errors and abnormalities because they are not human. I commend anyone who attempts to paint a catachan army. It has to be the hardest army to paint out there. All skin, muscle drybrushing, need to add scars, tattoos, have a mixture of racial colors, and if anything looks off you'll be criticized for it. A normal Steel Legion guardsman takes me close to 30 hours per model. I'd be looking at closer to 40-45 on a catachan.

Getting a little side tracked, but I guess the point I was making is with the fall of Cadia it opens up new opportunities for GW to either bring some of the older regiments back in plastic or create an entirely new regiment. I feel like after 1-2 pewter runs, 1-2 plastic runs and Cadian models available from Forgeworld, anyone who was interested in the Cadian aesthetic has likely made their investment. Catachans as mentioned above are a totally badass regiment and while their availability is good, it is completely off putting for new players. Very very difficult to paint.

Given that one of the supposedly serious roadblocks you're stating is literally just, "You have to have some extra colors in your paint collection," I think you're overstating the difficulty.

Also, you play a horde army but spend 30 hours on each model? I think you just have really high personal standards that don't apply to most painters.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Chaos will spend so much resources on pushing through Cadia that will not be able to push further in, the Imperium will set up a new Cadia on the nearest planet(s) worth holding

Now that you mention it, given how, uh, space works, why have the Chaos commanders never said, "Cadia's too much of a pain in the butt, we'll probably never take it. Let's just bypass the system entirely and go for other targets that aren't so ludicrously well-defended."

One justification is that there's no other safe path that allows major fleets. If you try to just leave there you get noticed and attacked.

Also supply lines are still a thing. If your supply line goes through enemy held bottleneck then guess what? All your supplies are going to be under attack while they are heading. Wars are won and lost on logistics and that doesn't sound logistically viable situation...

Which is why with Cadia standing chaos is limited to smaller raids out of the eye of terror as they can only use smaller and less safe paths. Attempting to bring major fleet there would result in horrendous losses.

 andysonic1 wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
They said a loyalist Primarch was coming back as well as Magnus.

I hope he's as big as Magnus for no reason.

Oh god. It's going to be Guilliman in a Primarch-scale Dreadknight baby-carrier. I can feel it in my bones...

 Verviedi wrote:
I'd love some models with EVA-style full face helmets. I have an idea, and would like a solution that doesn't involve mass-cloning that one DE head.

There's 4 in the Reaver Jetbike kits.

Tell you what, you buy enough Jetbike kits to make an army. You can have the heads and I'll have the Jetbikes yeah

With a bit of GS covering the eyes on those two semi-blank Wych heads you could get some more out of those...

Just because Chaos Space Marines tend to love them some Chaos, doesn't mean taking an unstable path out of the eye won't lead to their ship being destroyed, shorn in two, devoured by a giant Daemon, invaded by daemons of another God, or some other catastrophe from occurring.

tneva82 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Chaos will spend so much resources on pushing through Cadia that will not be able to push further in, the Imperium will set up a new Cadia on the nearest planet(s) worth holding

Now that you mention it, given how, uh, space works, why have the Chaos commanders never said, "Cadia's too much of a pain in the butt, we'll probably never take it. Let's just bypass the system entirely and go for other targets that aren't so ludicrously well-defended."

One justification is that there's no other safe path that allows major fleets. If you try to just leave there you get noticed and attacked.

Also supply lines are still a thing. If your supply line goes through enemy held bottleneck then guess what? All your supplies are going to be under attack while they are heading. Wars are won and lost on logistics and that doesn't sound logistically viable situation...

Which is why with Cadia standing chaos is limited to smaller raids out of the eye of terror as they can only use smaller and less safe paths. Attempting to bring major fleet there would result in horrendous losses.

...It's space. Gaps between star systems are measured in lightyears. A lightyear is the distance light takes one Earth year to travel at a speed of roughly 300,000 kilometers per SECOND, and your ships are only 5 miles long. No one would even notice your ships going right by it.

I mean, really, asteroid belts aren't a serious navigation hazard because the asteroids are so far spread out you can go between them very easily.

 Pouncey wrote:
...It's space. Gaps between star systems are measured in lightyears. A lightyear is the distance light takes one Earth year to travel at a speed of roughly 300,000 kilometers per SECOND, and your ships are only 5 miles long. No one would even notice your ships going right by it.

I mean, really, asteroid belts aren't a serious navigation hazard because the asteroids are so far spread out you can go between them very easily.

Yet Imperium(and others) can detect ships moving in warp. Especially bigger the fleet easier the detection. So you try to head in warp toward elsewhere Imperium detects and sends their own fleets. And then when you try to send supplies same thing.

SURE you could try non-sublight speeds and hope you don't get noticed(note how we can detect asteroids moving in our solar system. Think asteroids are tad smaller than 5km and are unpowered. I imagine tech tens of thousands of years ahead are easier to detect...) but how long you think it's going to take?

We aren't talking about manouvering between asteroids. We are talking about detecting presence in warp. Which is possible. And big fleets don't get past undetected just like that. Especially when said path they take is known and small.

There has been a lot of hinting that the Emperor's secret project was building webway gates for Man.

My guess is Cadia falls, Terra is besieged, the Golden Throne is destroyed, and the Astronomicon is no more. Chaos is repulsed, and Mankind turns to the webway as a means to reclaim it's empire.

Would be kind of like the realms for Age of Sigmar, on a galactic scale.

 techsoldaten wrote:
There has been a lot of hinting that the Emperor's secret project was building webway gates for Man.

My guess is Cadia falls, Terra is besieged, the Golden Throne is destroyed, and the Astronomicon is no more. Chaos is repulsed, and Mankind turns to the webway as a means to reclaim it's empire.

Would be kind of like the realms for Age of Sigmar, on a galactic scale.

Magnus destroyed the Emperor's webway project with the psychic blast he used to warn the Emperor of Horus' betrayal.

Commissar Benny wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:

dosiere wrote:
Hopefully it will mean a new plastic line of guardsmen. I've always wanted to collect an imperial army but the poses and proportions just don't do it for me. Bring it on.

It would be a great excuse to retire the Cadian line. Cadians will still be present in the universe (in the billions) but it will be nice to see some of the other IG regiments in plastic or entirely new ones. One of the largest draws of the IG for me is the vast number of regiments and how each of them vary not only in appearance but also have very different combat doctrines. Currently that isn't really reflected on the tabletop. 9 times out of 10 you will see Cadian IG players because you cannot buy any of the other regiments in stores and many of the models are OOP entirely.

What happened to the Catachan plastics, exactly?

The catachan as badass as they are, are an intimidating army to start collecting. The amount of skin exposed on catachan is an absolute nightmare to paint. It put me off from collecting the army entirely. I'm sure I am not alone in that. I'd even go as far as to say it is probably the most difficult army to paint in all of 40k. Reasons being, the models are human. We are human. We know what humans are supposed to look like so naturally we are going to be overly critical if said models look off in any way. With so much skin exposed on catachans, there is literally tens of hours of extra work to do per model vs. other IG lines. You need to add scars, tattoo, extra dry brushing for muscles etc etc.

Love the catachan background, but it was a bad choice as an alternative regiment to stock in stores.

Uhh... You know that all Tyranid models are fully naked, right?

Also personally I've, uh, kinda recognized I'm not a very good painter and am willing to settle for "good enough" instead of insisting on near-perfect paintjobs. I actually owned a Catachan army before the Cadian plastics came out, and my paint jobs were pretty bad. If I remember right, I even misinterpreted the entirely bare chests for thin vests and painted them in the same color as the rest of the uniform.

Yeah, Orks/Tyranids etc are all skin but with those being xenos its much easier to overlook painting errors and abnormalities because they are not human. I commend anyone who attempts to paint a catachan army. It has to be the hardest army to paint out there. All skin, muscle drybrushing, need to add scars, tattoos, have a mixture of racial colors, and if anything looks off you'll be criticized for it. A normal Steel Legion guardsman takes me close to 30 hours per model. I'd be looking at closer to 40-45 on a catachan.

Getting a little side tracked, but I guess the point I was making is with the fall of Cadia it opens up new opportunities for GW to either bring some of the older regiments back in plastic or create an entirely new regiment. I feel like after 1-2 pewter runs, 1-2 plastic runs and Cadian models available from Forgeworld, anyone who was interested in the Cadian aesthetic has likely made their investment. Catachans as mentioned above are a totally badass regiment and while their availability is good, it is completely off putting for new players. Very very difficult to paint.

30-50 hours on a guardsmen, yikes!!!

Golden throne is also keeping the webway gate on Terra the emperor made from being opened as Magnus' blast breached the tunnels there thus the daemons would be able to freely flow out.

tneva82 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
...It's space. Gaps between star systems are measured in lightyears. A lightyear is the distance light takes one Earth year to travel at a speed of roughly 300,000 kilometers per SECOND, and your ships are only 5 miles long. No one would even notice your ships going right by it.

I mean, really, asteroid belts aren't a serious navigation hazard because the asteroids are so far spread out you can go between them very easily.

Yet Imperium(and others) can detect ships moving in warp. Especially bigger the fleet easier the detection. So you try to head in warp toward elsewhere Imperium detects and sends their own fleets. And then when you try to send supplies same thing.

SURE you could try non-sublight speeds and hope you don't get noticed(note how we can detect asteroids moving in our solar system. Think asteroids are tad smaller than 5km and are unpowered. I imagine tech tens of thousands of years ahead are easier to detect...) but how long you think it's going to take?

We aren't talking about manouvering between asteroids. We are talking about detecting presence in warp. Which is possible. And big fleets don't get past undetected just like that. Especially when said path they take is known and small.

Uhh, okay...

So, can the Imperium, like, fight a Chaos fleet within the Warp itself?

Like, if a Chaos fleet does Warp travel and just doesn't stop at literally the first star system they come across, what sort of effective resistance can the Imperium offer against a Chaos fleet within the Warp that is interested in just going somewhere else instead of fighting at Cadia?

Because the Chaos ships are damned well not going to have any Gellar fields, and I'm pretty damned sure ship-to-ship combat in the Warp is extremely difficult for the Imperium but wouldn't be any issue for Chaos since they, you know, live there.


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 techsoldaten wrote:
There has been a lot of hinting that the Emperor's secret project was building webway gates for Man.

My guess is Cadia falls, Terra is besieged, the Golden Throne is destroyed, and the Astronomicon is no more. Chaos is repulsed, and Mankind turns to the webway as a means to reclaim it's empire.

Would be kind of like the realms for Age of Sigmar, on a galactic scale.

Mankind would declare the webway to be xenos heresy and try to destroy it.

They, like, regressed. A LOT.

 Pouncey wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
...It's space. Gaps between star systems are measured in lightyears. A lightyear is the distance light takes one Earth year to travel at a speed of roughly 300,000 kilometers per SECOND, and your ships are only 5 miles long. No one would even notice your ships going right by it.

I mean, really, asteroid belts aren't a serious navigation hazard because the asteroids are so far spread out you can go between them very easily.

Yet Imperium(and others) can detect ships moving in warp. Especially bigger the fleet easier the detection. So you try to head in warp toward elsewhere Imperium detects and sends their own fleets. And then when you try to send supplies same thing.

SURE you could try non-sublight speeds and hope you don't get noticed(note how we can detect asteroids moving in our solar system. Think asteroids are tad smaller than 5km and are unpowered. I imagine tech tens of thousands of years ahead are easier to detect...) but how long you think it's going to take?

We aren't talking about manouvering between asteroids. We are talking about detecting presence in warp. Which is possible. And big fleets don't get past undetected just like that. Especially when said path they take is known and small.

Uhh, okay...

So, can the Imperium, like, fight a Chaos fleet within the Warp itself?

Like, if a Chaos fleet does Warp travel and just doesn't stop at literally the first star system they come across, what sort of effective resistance can the Imperium offer against a Chaos fleet within the Warp that is interested in just going somewhere else instead of fighting at Cadia?

Because the Chaos ships are damned well not going to have any Gellar fields, and I'm pretty damned sure ship-to-ship combat in the Warp is extremely difficult for the Imperium but wouldn't be any issue for Chaos since they, you know, live there.


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 techsoldaten wrote:
There has been a lot of hinting that the Emperor's secret project was building webway gates for Man.

My guess is Cadia falls, Terra is besieged, the Golden Throne is destroyed, and the Astronomicon is no more. Chaos is repulsed, and Mankind turns to the webway as a means to reclaim it's empire.

Would be kind of like the realms for Age of Sigmar, on a galactic scale.

Mankind would declare the webway to be xenos heresy and try to destroy it.

They, like, regressed. A LOT.

I'm now imagining the Black Templar going into the webway, seeing what it is, and then hitting the walls with their chainswords or shooting the wall with their bolters in an attempt to purge the Xenos filth.

Also aren't some of the custodes supposed to be stuck in some sort of secret battle to help hold back the daemons on the other side of the gate or something while the emperor holds it shut?

I'm not sure about the chaos marine ships not having gellar fields (or an equivalent). They might be chaos-corrupted humans, but they're still dependent on 'normal' laws of physics to a certain extent (otherwise they wouldn't need ships).

Yeah from what I understand CSM exist in the Eye of Terror because it's sort of a blending of realspace and the warp.

Unprotected exposure to the warp would be just as deadly to a CSM as it would be to anyone else.

Also, I'm fairly certain you can't just zip your ships straight to Holy Terra undetected. There might not be an explanation in the fluff as yet, but simply by the fact that it hasn't happened in the context of the universe suggests that it's not possible.

If rumors of the Templar entering the Webway is true, then myb we will see Khan s our first Loyalist Primarch.

And on a giant Bike with some decent guns he can totally compete with Daemon Primarchs.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
If rumors of the Templar entering the Webway is true, then myb we will see Khan s our first Loyalist Primarch.

And on a giant Bike with some decent guns he can totally compete with Daemon Primarchs.

If Khan comes back I so hope that Doomrider explodes out of the warp as well. They won't bring him back but I can hope.

My local retailer has heard talk that the plan is to bring everything to the absolute brink of collapse and leave it there for 8th edition. So 8th edition won't be post apocalypse like AoS is, it'll be more like a perpetual Crap splatter as it will be hitting the fan for years to come. Personally I am good with that, it advances the story line, but does not push it too far. I think GW went to far with AoS storyline, being mid apocalypse is a good place to leave things, it allows so many options for future releases.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Yeah from what I understand CSM exist in the Eye of Terror because it's sort of a blending of realspace and the warp.

Unprotected exposure to the warp would be just as deadly to a CSM as it would be to anyone else.

Also, I'm fairly certain you can't just zip your ships straight to Holy Terra undetected. There might not be an explanation in the fluff as yet, but simply by the fact that it hasn't happened in the context of the universe suggests that it's not possible.

The Beast did it with a moon, but he was kind of cheating with his magic teleportgubbinz.

Also, the Eldar did it. Granted, they did it when Terra's defences were a shambles, but they still got in right under the noses of Mars and Titan.

Pretty sure the Necrons did it once too but got discovered the moment they entered the Solar System. They actually managed to land on Mars.

Basically, sure you can, if you're hax enough. Chaos just needs to step their game up and learn how to play with the big boys

tneva82 wrote:

Davor wrote:

ChazSexington wrote:Retcon.

At least that's what happened last time.

Yeah sadly no matter what GW does, while I will enjoy the ride they are doing, I have this nagging feeling this is all for not and it will be just like Dallas and "it was all a dream" and means nothing.

Wish that had been so in fb side.

I am sure that can still happen. It's one of the first things I thought of when reading Age of Sigmar starter box set.

mrhappyface wrote:So are they going to retcon the retcon they made after the black crusade campaign? I wonder if they will retcon the fall of Cadia after this campaign, this will become retconception.

Maybe they are taking a page from Marvel and DC now and will just keep rebooting everything.

 gnome_idea_what wrote:

 andysonic1 wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
They said a loyalist Primarch was coming back as well as Magnus.

I hope he's as big as Magnus for no reason.

Man, Guilliman's really let himself go.

Girlyman be like...

Tremble before his might heretics! Lest you be clensed within his folds of righteousness and drown in his sweat of faith!

 Robin5t wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Yeah from what I understand CSM exist in the Eye of Terror because it's sort of a blending of realspace and the warp.

Unprotected exposure to the warp would be just as deadly to a CSM as it would be to anyone else.

Also, I'm fairly certain you can't just zip your ships straight to Holy Terra undetected. There might not be an explanation in the fluff as yet, but simply by the fact that it hasn't happened in the context of the universe suggests that it's not possible.

The Beast did it with a moon, but he was kind of cheating with his magic teleportgubbinz.

Also, the Eldar did it. Granted, they did it when Terra's defences were a shambles, but they still got in right under the noses of Mars and Titan.

Pretty sure the Necrons did it once too but got discovered the moment they entered the Solar System. They actually managed to land on Mars.

Basically, sure you can, if you're hax enough. Chaos just needs to step their game up and learn how to play with the big boys

I'm not a chaos fan, but the chaos gods got to earth and messed up the primarchs and scattered them through the warp.... looong before any of that.

Edit
An interesting theory of the DE guiding them picture and also rumored to be true. He is guiding them away from Cadia since they got their ass kicked.

 General Kroll wrote:
Chaos are going to swarm across the galaxy and there's going to be even MORE grimdark.

Sweet baby Emperor, there will be entire PLANETS of SKULLS!!

Seriously though, I think it's great that they are taking steps to move the story forward. Even if a faction or two gets squashed (as a BattleTech player this is par for course), which I don't really see happening for 40k...

Heartland wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:
Chaos are going to swarm across the galaxy and there's going to be even MORE grimdark.

Sweet baby Emperor, there will be entire PLANETS of SKULLS!!

Or alternatively Chaos will bring the exaggerated tongue-in-cheek theme that was hunted down and eliminated in 5e back. Planets of skulls seems more like typical chaos ridiculousness than actual takes-itself-seriously grimdark.

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
I believe the only way to destroy the pilons is to perform millions of Daemonic rituals on Cadia to overlord them with warp energy... Or something to that affect.

Something wrong with cyclonic torpedoes?

Chaos use to have a ship called the "Planet Killer" It shot a beam that destroyed planets deathstar style. I wonder why it has never dawned on them to use it.

 Exergy wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
I believe the only way to destroy the pilons is to perform millions of Daemonic rituals on Cadia to overlord them with warp energy... Or something to that affect.

Something wrong with cyclonic torpedoes?

Chaos use to have a ship called the "Planet Killer" It shot a beam that destroyed planets deathstar style. I wonder why it has never dawned on them to use it.

1. They still have it, it was 'destroyed' in the Gothic War but was sighted again afterwards.
2. Plot armour. The Pylons can only be destroyed by overloading them with warp energy.

 Robin5t wrote:
On the livestream today, they confirmed that Fall of Cadia is only the start of the story - they also confirmed that the galaxy will still be standing when this is all done.

in other words "don't panic, we're not AoSing 40k"

Davor wrote:

ChazSexington wrote:Retcon.

At least that's what happened last time.

Yeah sadly no matter what GW does, while I will enjoy the ride they are doing, I have this nagging feeling this is all for not and it will be just like Dallas and "it was all a dream" and means nothing.

You're old. [We're old I guess]

BrianDavion wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
On the livestream today, they confirmed that Fall of Cadia is only the start of the story - they also confirmed that the galaxy will still be standing when this is all done.

in other words "don't panic, we're not AoSing 40k"

They did at one point out right say that there won't be a 40k end times. However the reason they gave was because Archaon was lord of the end times, and we don't have a Lord of the end times in 40k, instead of reasuring us that there won't be a 40k end times because they aren't going to skull the plot again.

A lot of people seem to be missing the point of Cadia. It's the Cadian Gate, as in, the gateway to the Eye. It's the only major stable route in or out of the eye. Warp travel is not like Star Wars hyper space, where you just pop in and out of where you want to be at random. Certain systems have far more stable Warp gate's than others and you have to hop between them to get anywhere.

Hence why in Path of Heaven, Horus was able to block the White Scars from reaching Terra, he simply had fleets in all major warp routes. If the Scars popped into realspace then the alarm was sounded and the Traitor fleets showed up in force. This is how Cadia works except it's literally the only way out of the eye on a large scale. Small Chaos fleets are able to slip in and out hence why not every battle is always in the Cadian Sector. However the huge incursions needed to take Terra, would have to come through the main gate or risk half of their ships being lost to the warp or delayed by centuries.

There is even a Word Bearers novel (Dark Creed I think?) Where there is a world that the Imperium is convinced is unassailable as it's right next to a stable warp gate. Any attempt to attack the system can be countered by a whole segmentum battle fleet showing up within a few hours. However the WB use a Necron device to shut down the gate, which makes it impossible for the Imperium to send reinforcements.

Ships require Navigators, precisely because the warp needs to be navigated. It's not a point A to point B deal. There are stable routes which ships are able to negotiate in a relatively "predictable" time/level of safety. It is possible to travel other routes but these could result in ships getting lost in the warp, destroyed, delayed decades or millenia, Or arriving in totally incorrect locations.

It's not just a case of "Butttt spehhhhhsssss is big, go around duhhh" It's; space is so huge, you have to jump through these very specific warp points to have any hope of getting anywhere quickly.

 alanmckenzie wrote:
So, the latest leaked snippets from January’s White Dwarf reveal a new book titled Gathering Storm: Fall of Cadia.

Now, in terms of the 40k setting, the Fall of Cadia is a pretty huge event. Perhaps the most significant event for a few thousand years?

So what are the implications (assuming the Fall does happen)?

Where is the setting going?

How much ground needs to be covered between Cadia falling and the Imperium collapsing?

What constitutes a collapse of the Imperium? Death of the Emperor and with it the Astronomican?

What does an Astronomican-less Imperium look like? Isolated pocket Empires?

Do you think that the Fall of Cadia is the last event of the 41st millennium and of 7th edition, or is there going to be a Gathering Storm: Siege of Terra before then? Again, how much ground needs to be covered between these two events?

Susequently, how does 8th Edition begin?



Let the conjecture flow.....

If Cadia falls, the Eye of Terror will probably get bigger. The Necron pylons holding things in check were already failing. The Armless Wonder might speed things along by finishing off the pylons.


And things for the Eldrad's hometown will get a lot more interesting. Not to mention, the rest of the Segmentum Obscurus.


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 KorPhaeron77 wrote:

Ships require Navigators, precisely because the warp needs to be navigated. It's not a point A to point B deal. There are stable routes which ships are able to negotiate in a relatively "predictable" time/level of safety. It is possible to travel other routes but these could result in ships getting lost in the warp, destroyed, delayed decades or millenia, Or arriving in totally incorrect locations.

It's not just a case of "Butttt spehhhhhsssss is big, go around duhhh" It's; space is so huge, you have to jump through these very specific warp points to have any hope of getting anywhere quickly.

The only thing Navigators allow for is longer Warp jumps to be made safely. Shorter jumps, known as "calculated jumps", can be done with technological means.


Unfortunately, it's difficult to maintain a galaxy-spanning empire the size of the Imperium by relying on short Warp hops.

Well one implication could be a name change. Is that a thing I can do? /s

 mrhappyface wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
On the livestream today, they confirmed that Fall of Cadia is only the start of the story - they also confirmed that the galaxy will still be standing when this is all done.

in other words "don't panic, we're not AoSing 40k"

They did at one point out right say that there won't be a 40k end times. However the reason they gave was because Archaon was lord of the end times, and we don't have a Lord of the end times in 40k, instead of reasuring us that there won't be a 40k end times because they aren't going to skull the plot again.

Wait, are you saying they might bring archaon to 40k at some point? Man, the galaxy is fethed and so is Abaddon.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Robin5t wrote:
On the livestream today, they confirmed that Fall of Cadia is only the start of the story - they also confirmed that the galaxy will still be standing when this is all done.

in other words "don't panic, we're not AoSing 40k"

They did at one point out right say that there won't be a 40k end times. However the reason they gave was because Archaon was lord of the end times, and we don't have a Lord of the end times in 40k, instead of reasuring us that there won't be a 40k end times because they aren't going to skull the plot again.

Wait, are you saying they might bring archaon to 40k at some point? Man, the galaxy is fethed and so is Abaddon.

I don't think Archaon will come to 40k, more likely the end times will be called 'black crusade' because Abaddon is the Lord of the black crusade.

Archaon might not have made it to 40k, but Belakor did!