Ok, a lot to take in!

Cloaked preds, multi pose marines & resin terrain - all good news...

Management 'sea-change' (lol - Corp speak for someone got pushed out) - we'll have to wait and see. If it means continued support for licensed product lines then all good....

Drop ship - I think it's great, no doubt many won't. But £150 and 1000 limited run....needs a lot of thinking about. Would've preferred the APC first personally, but still good progress.

Wargame rules - OK really excited about this. I think I even like they are going with an existing rule set that is on it's second version (it proves that playtesting has occurred!). BUT..I don't know Warzone at all. Can anyone knowledgeable post up a review of the rules system please?

So I get the Warzone rulebook AND the AvP book?

That's pretty cool. I won't expect to get the remainder of my order until the end of the year though.

yey - the excitement, oh the excit
haven't got the energy to finish how i'm feeling about this mess of a project.

Woohoo, guess who can't log into the pledge manager. Wonder if that means they've decided to wipe my order so they have less outstanding orders to fulfill?

Where was that update posted? Not much good them putting up a list of people that need to finalize their pledge manager if they post it in some inaccessible corner of the internet. Especially as some of us are late backers and don't get the KS email.

 CthulhuPunk_Mike wrote:
Ok, a lot to take in!

About 215K minus KS fees, I believe.

 CthulhuPunk_Mike wrote:

BUT..I don't know Warzone at all. Can anyone knowledgeable post up a review of the rules system please?

Warzone is a D20 roll under system, kind of like Infinity but without the floating crits. 1 Is a critical success and 20 is a critical fumble. Only initiative is roll high. Other than that, a lot of the rules will seem similar. Psychic powers, armor checks, things of that nature. I haven't played a game of 2nd Ed. yet, though I plan on trying to run demos of it this summer.

1st Ed. was very crunchy and granular, and like most modern games, they've removed a lot of the excessive, unnecessary rules to make the game phases and play a lot smoother. I had a blast with 1st, and second just seems to reinforce the things I liked about it.

From what I can gather from the FB page, you will need both the WAR2.0 book & the AvP book.
WAR2.0 provides the rules, the AvP book provides the stats & the fluff.

 bubber wrote:
From what I can gather from the FB page, you will need both the WAR2.0 book & the AvP book.
WAR2.0 provides the rules, the AvP book provides the stats & the fluff.

And according to the Prodos KS message, KS backers will get both.


I would have understood using Warzone as a base for AvP, but honestly I am disappointed they are taking the lazy route and making AvP a supplement to Warzone. A standalone book would have been much better.

Not too unhappy about the supplement for AvP to be honest, if it's a good set of core rules then you are getting two games for your (until now mostly unrealised) buck.

I have to admit I was super excited to read this email.

3D corridors, check backed that.
AVP wargaming book, check backed that.
Dropship, check preordered that.

I then I remembered this is Prodos, so I can't believe anything I read from them (unfortunately).

I did recently spend $50 for a Alien Queen's Guard miniature, so they would send me the AVP - The Hunt Begins box and some of the other things I ordered.

My question is: Whatever happened to that big shipment on the way to the US at the beginning of the year? It arrived at it's destination, but then we heard squat about it.

Yeah,

 grossey wrote:
My question is: Whatever happened to that big shipment on the way to the US at the beginning of the year? It arrived at it's destination?

I've started to self adjust Prodos lingo.

How Prodos Sounds wrote:
The (May or may not be) big shipment (May or may not be) on the way to (Maybe or maybe not) the US at (Maybe or maybe not) the beginning of the year (or maybe next) ? (Maybe) It arrived at it's destination?

We maybe made some maybe cloaked predators but we can't show them because they're invisible

Maybe your protected by Polish law maybe...

Panic...

 grossey wrote:

My question is: Whatever happened to that big shipment on the way to the US at the beginning of the year? It arrived at it's destination, but then we heard squat about it.

I don't think that ever happened, at least not the way Prodos claimed it did. The vast majority of US backers getting stuff that I heard of (including the stuff I have gotten) came directly from Poland. I think Prodos sent some to their initial distributor but not enough to fulfill the KS. The second shipment to the unnamed company I don't think ever existed. I think it was a stall tactic, or was just retail stuff. If it did exist and was KS stuff, that is where what I got would have come from because it was in the time frame after that shipment allegedly arrived.

Does that Dropship look different to the first version of it we saw?
Looks cleaner, and dare I saw better.
I'd certainly be interested in it, if it was done by a different company

I found it interesting that this lastest update is the first in a long time that they "spoke in character"



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just got this from Prodos, nearly fell out of my chair!!!!

Hi Sir,

Just to let you now your order has been shipped today. Here is tracking number: XXXXXX

To check the current status of parcel please go on : XXXXXX and the USPS website.


Sorry for keep you waiting for such a long time.

Once again thank you for your support and patience.


Kind regards,

Agata Mazurek

Prodos Games Ltd

Still havent got my tracking number, congrats on getting yours!

You'll have to let us know how long its takes to travel from Poland to NZ

 CptJake wrote:

 grossey wrote:

My question is: Whatever happened to that big shipment on the way to the US at the beginning of the year? It arrived at it's destination, but then we heard squat about it.

I don't think that ever happened, at least not the way Prodos claimed it did. The vast majority of US backers getting stuff that I heard of (including the stuff I have gotten) came directly from Poland. I think Prodos sent some to their initial distributor but not enough to fulfill the KS. The second shipment to the unnamed company I don't think ever existed. I think it was a stall tactic, or was just retail stuff. If it did exist and was KS stuff, that is where what I got would have come from because it was in the time frame after that shipment allegedly arrived.

I think you're right on the US shipment being retail - I'm not a backer but my local FLGS finally got the copy I ordered somewhere near Sept. last year in around January. Which sounds like the right timeframe...

I'm guessing that "unnamed company" is the one they fronted the Rum&Bones clone through.

At this point, the only other model I am looking to pick up is the Alien Queen to replace the metal one I used to have - *maybe* the dropship, if it actually materializes (after the cluster with the AvP boardgame, no way in hell am I preordering). All the places I've seen have the queen out of stock, and I'm not optimistic in trying to order it off Prodos website.

I got a HorrorClix Queen for under $15, new in box. May not be as nice as the resin one, but it comes with the giant egg sack, an alien and a predator, and doesn't put money into Jarek's pocket.

 CptJake wrote:
I got a HorrorClix Queen for under $15, new in box. May not be as nice as the resin one, but it comes with the giant egg sack, an alien and a predator, and doesn't put money into Jarek's pocket.

Same here
I picked up a few boxes oa Aliens and one of Predators as well. They are all quite easy to de-clix re-base

I - I think I might have to do that. Thanks, guys.

I was also thinking about the HorrorClix Queen before. The eggsack is very cool. Can anyone tell anything about the quality, compared to the Prodos Queen. Would also be good as the Prodos one´s resin is way too soft and bending when too warm :(

Nevertheless, the sculpting and pose is awesome.

Lovely job, freefall

They look great freefall

Oops posted pics to wrong AVP thread

Great work!

So the game will use rules from warzone?
Dunno how they gonna make invisible preds.

One small step closer to receiving my KS

"Hi there,
Just to let you now your order has been shipped. Here is tracking number:
XXXXXXXXXXXXX

To check the current status of parcel please go on : xxxxxxxxxxxx and the USPS website.

Sorry for keep you waiting for such a long time.

Once again thank you for your support and patience.


Kind regards,

Agata Mazurek

Prodos Games Ltd"

 JoeRugby wrote:
They look great freefall

Oops posted pics to wrong AVP thread

Just saw the pics are gone again. Where did you post them now? Don´t see any in the painting gallery?

I guess as there are not so many, it´d be ok to post here in the AVp thread.

Still saw them yesterday. Amazing job. Seems most paint the aliens first. Seldom see Marines and Predators. I was always a big Marines fan
Envy you fort the eggs and the many huggers. Hope Prodos will seel the eggs and markers soon too. And can´t wait to get the MarineSarge.
And I never saw the Crusher next to the other Aliens. Looks gigantig


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One more for fun

 Pimpernel wrote:
One small step closer to receiving my KS

"Hi there,
Just to let you now your order has been shipped. Here is tracking number:
XXXXXXXXXXXXX

To check the current status of parcel please go on : xxxxxxxxxxxx and the USPS website.

Sorry for keep you waiting for such a long time.

Once again thank you for your support and patience.


Kind regards,

Agata Mazurek

Prodos Games Ltd"

How long ago did you get the bs shipping email before you got the one containing the shipping info?

Joyboozer wrote:

 Pimpernel wrote:
One small step closer to receiving my KS

"Hi there,
Just to let you now your order has been shipped. Here is tracking number:
XXXXXXXXXXXXX

To check the current status of parcel please go on : xxxxxxxxxxxx and the USPS website.

Sorry for keep you waiting for such a long time.

Once again thank you for your support and patience.


Kind regards,

Agata Mazurek

Prodos Games Ltd"

How long ago did you get the bs shipping email before you got the one containing the shipping info?

Got the email on 31/5/2016

Which APC is that? Looks larger than the NACA and Action fleet models I posted here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/180/672019.page#8708927

 Freefallrlc wrote:


One more for fun

Looks like the old Halycon 1:35 model. It is bigger than the Khurasan one I have.

 Freefallrlc wrote:

 JoeRugby wrote:
They look great freefall

Oops posted pics to wrong AVP thread

Just saw the pics are gone again. Where did you post them now? Don´t see any in the painting gallery?

Ta dude

Got them posted up here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/672019.page

Really like the head Swaps On the marines.

 CptJake wrote:
Looks like the old Halycon 1:35 model. It is bigger than the Khurasan one I have.

Yes, it´s the old Halcyon model.

 Sheep wrote:
Still havent got my tracking number, congrats on getting yours!

You'll have to let us know how long its takes to travel from Poland to NZ

So my rubbish bag from Poland arrived today. Seriously, it was wrapped in what looked like a black rubbush bag. How appropriate. ;-)

So transit time was 10 days, not too bad.

When I opened it I kinda did get the awww "maybe i want to keep it", and "maybe it was worth it."
Does look good and models are awesome, but i havent played minis games in about 3 years. Will keep and paint up the extras, but the game will be moving on.

At least it did FINALLY arrive. To everyone still waiting, keep hassling them, it does work, eventually

anyone else disappointed with the quality of the marines?

It looks like they used a different material compared to the Aliens and Predators.
Feels more rubbery

It's been pretty quiet in this thread, have all waves been relased now?

 Stormonu wrote:
It's been pretty quiet in this thread, have all waves been relased now?

Nope.


'Wargame rule book(s)' still a ways off. Have not heard of any of the alternate/multi-pose Marines getting delivered, not of any of the clear resin Preds being delivered.

I'm still waiting on a ton of stuff.

Izza wrote:
anyone else disappointed with the quality of the marines?

It looks like they used a different material compared to the Aliens and Predators.
Feels more rubbery

Is it blue and the rest grey?
If so you got the older material.
The Warzone minis were mostly in the old blue resin delivered.

My pledge rewards were mostly in the new grey resin, only some minis (Berserker Pred) were blue.
My Marines are simply breathtakingly good cast.

Hopefully my paint gives it credit:

http://www.adpublishing.de/html/avp.html

Still waiting to receive ANYTHING!

I think all my extras are wave 2 (Fempred, Sergeant and sentry guns). At this point it's starting to feel like Prodos is holding my order for ransom "Buy something from our shop for 'postage' or you will never see any of your stuff!"

Bluehammer wrote:
Still waiting to receive ANYTHING!

I think all my extras are wave 2 (Fempred, Sergeant and sentry guns). At this point it's starting to feel like Prodos is holding my order for ransom "Buy something from our shop for 'postage' or you will never see any of your stuff!"

Pretty much pal. Disgraceful really. If you really want your stuff, this is a bitter pill you'll reluctantly have to swallow.

I haven't seen this leak on Dakka so far, so here you go. Of course, this is not official, since Prodos still suck at communicating, but if these changes are for real, they are a big step in the right direction imho (copied from BGG):

"Not sure if everyone is following the Facebook group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1027030660685651), but one of the guys is trickling out the rules changes that will effect the board game and upcoming wargame rules. I figure I'd post them here for those interested. If nothing else, at least it means Prodos wants to improve this game and has addressed common issues, complaints, and suggestions. I will update as more is released. Finally, sorry for the long post, but it's easier than making new threads or posts for each day.
-Newest leak #9, July 7th-

All credit goes to Konstantinos Lekkas for the info.

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Day 1, ‪#‎RulesLeak‬
I know I said one or two but... the nature of these changes compels me to do more! You get a whooping 4 Alien changes!
So far, the Xenomorphs were the ones taking a beating, so all of these 4 first changes are ‪#‎BUFF‬ ! Let's see the tweaks that make them more apppealing:

1) Acid Immunity. Yep, that was probably missed. Now Aliens bathe in the blood of their friends and feel cool about it. (Acid Splash targets only Marine and Predator Models)

2) Well, talking about Acid, we decided to make a minor tweak and make it happen just a wee bit more often. It is now 1-6.

3) Does it not suck, to have your Engaged Aliens spend one action to Close Combat, and then just "pass"? Not any more! All Aliens (except the huggy) get the following:
Quote:
-Extended Action - Paroxysm: Perform a Close Combat Action using both of your CC Weapons.

4) Whaaaa? Which "Both CC Weapons is thaaaat?". A hidden buff for combat. All Aliens (except huggy) gain a second melee weapon that can only be used when the model performs "Paroxysm".
Quote:
Profile: ST: as other +1, RoA 1, AVV0, and it goes by the name "Tail Strike".
So effectively, you get an extra die with a +1 strength!

So, to sum it up:
Acid Splash happens more often and does not hurt Aliens
Aliens become better at Melee by rolling an extra and more powerful die when using an Extended Close Combat Action.

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Day 2, ‪#‎RulesLeak‬
All right, sweethearts, what are you waiting for? Breakfast in bed? Another glorious day in the Corps! A day in the Marine Corps is like a day on the farm. Every meal's a banquet! Every paycheck a fortune! Every formation a parade! I *love* the Corps!
Your trusty Marines get the reinforcements they need, in the form of the Sentry Guns. Today holds the complete ruleset for Sentry Guns! This is a ‪#‎RulesRedesign‬

1. Autosentry (p.33 of 1.2 RB)
Auto-Sentry (P)- A model with Auto-sentry automatically receives a sentry token and an activation token at the beginning of each game turn, and counts as having been activated during that turn.

2. Gun Emplacement (p.33 of 1.2 RB)
Models with the Gun Emplacement (P) skill never count for any Mission Objectives and may not benefit from the Heal and Medic special rules. Also, they automatically pass all “St, Con” checks they are required to take due to a card or game effect, and do not benefit from any Faction abilities (such as the Clear Corridor perk for the Marines Faction).

3. Infiltration (new addition to the skill list)– Before the first round, but after all players have deployed their tokens, choose any of your Deployment Tiles that is out of line of sight from any opponent's token. Up to one Sentry Gun from your Force may begin the game deployed in that tile. You may set up this way up to one Sentry Gun per Squad. For each Sentry Gun not deployed this way, place a Sentry Gun Token on your Sentry Gun Reference Card.

4. Sentry Gun Set-up (New Ruleset) - Any Marine Faction Model may spend two Action Points to set up one Sentry Gun Model from your Force on the same Tile it occupies. Spend two Action points to remove a Sentry Gun Token from your Sentry Gun Reference Card and place a Sentry Gun Model on the same Tile as the model using the Set-Up Action (a Power Loader has the option to remove one of the Sentry Gun Tokens from the Power Loader card instead of the Sentry Gun Card). Place and Activation Token next to that Sentry Gun, and it counts as having been activated for this game turn. This action may only be used if the occupation limit for the tile allows to legally place the model.
A Power Loader may expend an Interact Action to pick up a Sentry Gun from the same Tile. Remove the Sentry Gun (and any sentry/activation tokens it may have) from the game and place a face-down Sentry Gun Token on the Power Loader's stat card. If a Power Loader is removed from play as a casualty, remove all Sentry Tokens from the Power Loader Card and they count as having been destroyed.

5. Sentry Guns received the Infiltration and Sentry Gun Set-up.

6. After vigourous testing, the sentry guns (and their unrevealed new much lower point cost) were too good to be true, and a ‪#‎NURF‬ was applied. The RS of the models is lowered to 12.

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Day 3, ‪#‎RulesLeak‬
Well youngling, you seem to have alot to learn before you can join the ranks of Warriors. Today's theme is all about Yautja!

1) A new twist for the Predators is a ‪#‎BUFF‬ to the Hellhounds, to compensate for the "attack/pass" scenario. While these beasts might be considered similar to "Alien Stalkers", they have some significant differences. They are quite slower, bulkier, and definately more spiked! And they just had to have their own ability which any Tactician can appreciate.
Quote:
Spiked Nightmare (P).
A model with Spiked Nightmare automatically passes any CC Tests to Disengage from an Engaged Tile.


No man (or Xenos) is stupid enough to get in the way of the spikey bits. Run away, you say? Well, why don't I disengage my cheap Beasty and block your path...

2) The Predators' advanced technologies allow them to immitate the voices of their enemies. The more Predators, the merrier. Vocal Mimicry has had a ‪#‎RulesRedesign‬ and is now Purchasable to the Predators' Force.
Quote:
Vocal Mimicry: You may purchase and add to your Force a number of Vocal Mimicry Tokens up to the number of Predator Models in it (not counting Hellhounds).


3) Well, a Gattling Plasma Caster has to be Gattiling! The profile of the Weapon has been reworked and now better suits it's role. This is a #RulesRedesign
Quote:
Gattling Plasma Caster: ST 10, RoA 6, AVV 3, Hot Plasma


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Day 4, ‪#‎RulesLeak‬
This update consists of rules changes that apply to all Factions. These all are ‪#‎RulesRedesign‬.

1) Firstly, the cards have been split into two groups, those that can only be played when a certain condition arises, and those that must be played at a normal Card Play Window.
Secondly, playing a card has more windows to when it can be done, and it is now based on the current Initiative order. See below:
“Active Strategy Cards can be played after the change of Initiative and before the next model is selected for activation, or after a model completes an action. Conditional Strategy Cards can only be played immediately when a certain condition is met.
When a played decides to play a card, he must first announce his intention to do so. Then, the other players also announce they will be or will not be using a card at that particular time (pass). If more than one players announce that they will play a card, then they do it with initiative order, playing one card or passing. This continues until all players play their maximum number of cards or pass. If a player initially passes and another player plays a second card, the player who passed is considered to having passed on all opportunities to play a card for that particular occasion.”

2) Tactical Advantage has been changed, to cause less repetitions of occurrence. See below:
"When you draw Tactical Advantage, reveal the card to all players and place it in your discard pile. Draw 5 cards, then discard down to 5 cards. Shuffle your discard pile into your deck. It does not count towards the limit of cards you may play in a turn."

3) Engage by Displacing has been reworked, to provide coverage to all possible situations. I will put it in simple words rather than copy-pasting the complete new wording:
i. In every situation you wish to Engage by Displacing, because your model does not fit, you can only do it if the tile would end up being Fully Occupied and Engaged (same as before).
ii. In situations where you cannot create a Fully Occupied and Engaged Tile by displacing models (such as a Queen wishing to Engage a tile with 3 Predators) you may perform CC actions to the target Tile from an adjacent Tile instead.
iii. In situations where a Tile is Fully Occupied but not Engaged (like, 8 Marines in one Tile), you may perform CC actions to the target Tile from an adjacent Tile instead.


Rulesleaks for day 5 and 6 will also happen today.

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Day 5, ‪#‎RulesLeak‬
In the cold darkness of space, no being is spared the Nurfstick! The next serries of Leaks reflect Nurfs that powerfull units received for all races, in the same order (Day 5 Aliens, Day 6 Marines, Day 7 Predators). Days 8-10 will be spent on peeking through the Force building section, as well as some more generic changes! Today's ‪#‎Nurf‬ fell upon the Xenomorphs!

1) Facehuggers were incredibely powerfull. One does not simply waltz into Pred-dor and instakill anything it can find, and spawn monsters worth over 20 times their own cost as a bonus!
Facehugg has been reworked to cause 1 wound on an unsuccessfull Con roll. Models being removed from play by losing their last wound due to Facehugg, will spawn models according to the index as normal, however...
...any Predalien spawned due to Facehugg will be spawned with just 1 Wound remaining. Let's assume it is just too young and fragile on the first breaths (game) it takes.

2) The stats of Alien Warrior were off the charts, when compared to its cost and that of a Predator's (It should cost close to what a Predator/Royal Guard costs, for those stats). The Alien Warrior has been given lower statistics to fill in the role of "middleweight" in the Alien Force (instead of doubling-trippling the cost...).
The following changes were applied:
-Removal of Impenetrable
-1 CC
-1 Wound
-3 Weapon Strength (matching Profile of 13)
-1 RoA
-2 AVV
We also clarified that the Profile of the hits from the Acid Spit (A) is Strength12 and AVV0.
Our Hive wails in anguish, but endure it and adapt we shall.

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Day 6, ‪#‎RulesLeak‬
The uncaring eye of the Nurfers has fallen upon the Corps, and the ‪#‎Nurf‬ started mercilessly!
I am in the unpleasant position to inform you that a certain Stalone-impersonated character will not be joining your Force. All super-powers have been removed, and he now is just a super-duper Sergeant who either rocks or rolls, not both.

The sarge (or better, the weapon) has had a tripple tweak on his two abilities, "Shotgun! (A)" and "Point Blank Shot (A)".
1. these abilities are exclussive. In one game turn, you can either use Shotgun OR Point Blank Shot, not both. If you Shotgun!, you use CC with the Knife profile, and if you Point Blank Shot, you shoot with the normal Ranged Shotgun Profile (ST12, RoA1 as on card).

2. Point Blank Shot now requires a CC roll for each Target (with Sergeant's CC of 14, that means that probably two out of three will hit).

3. Shotgun! now hits up to 3 targets on each of two Tiles (Total of 6) down from 8 (Total of 16).

A model that costs more or less as two basic marines, cannot simply roll a possible maximum of 19 dice (8+8 shotgun and 3 autohit Point Blank). Wrong Movie. A sad day for the Corps, but your Sarge will not be Johny Rambo, he retired before Pred 1 was shot starring Arnie.

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Day 7, ‪#‎RulesLeak‬
No cloaking device can help you run away from the Nurf Detector! In this update, ‪#‎Nurf‬ has found the Yautja!

1) The first of the magical downgrades is, as all have guessed, about the Omnipotent Smart Disc, which received more than one debuff.
Firstly, there was a tweak on the “Hit” mechanic. It is now clarified that no Line of Sight is required. The model now requires an RS test for each target, instead of a 1-10 roll. Yes, it got buffed by two points and is now subject to Fumble and Power Shot, but also it got nurfed because as in every RS roll, modifiers apply.
Secondly, and this is the most “painful” part, the Ranged Weapon now has a ST 15, just as in melee. This means that, it no longer automatically kills the target, but allows an armor save with a -5 modifier to the test.
It is still a very potent weapon due to it requiring no Line of Sight, and the RS 12 roll on unengaged models. But it no longer is “end-of-the-world-spell” for the Marines.

2) The newly released Youngbloods have been reworked (nurfed) much like the Alien Warrior, in order to fill the gap of middleweights for the Predator army. The changes however, are of a different nature to that of the Alien Warrior.
The first point addressed was that of the equipment. These (personal favorite) models’ cards do not depict the actual equipment shown on the models. So, to observe What You See Is What You Get (wargamers know what we mean), we have changed the equipment (most notably removed the Plasma Caster).

The pack consists of:
2 Models equipped with Wrist Blades and Wrist Dart
1 Model equipped with Combi-Stick and Wrist Dart
The second point was their incredibly high RS skill. A Youngblood having better stats from the Warrior just did not cut it. The RS of the Youngbloods has been lowered to 11 (still, Pack Hunt applies as normal). Not much of a hurt, since Plasma is no more.

3) This is more of a clarification/logical action, but since the rules said nothing it is considered a nurf. The Hellhounds cannot open doors. Much like the Aliens, they now use the “Force the Doors Open (A)” and “Assisting in the Force the Doors Open skill”, but they only add bonus for other Hellhound models present.

Roar in anguish my brutal friends, and blame the prey for it!

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Some more info about release process for rulebook from a Facebook comment:

1) We have delivered the rules
2) a check is taking place for IP (so that we don't need FOX approval by accident)
3) The .pdf is compiled
4) The team receives and doublechecks/proofreads the .pdf and delivers again
5) Any minor issues are fixed and the .pdf is released as a free download
6) The game receives public playtests and feedback
7) With the feedback good (or acceptable, not all can aggree always) the books take a green light for printing, the exact timetable is not something I can provide for printed versions.

I will say that the rulebook is not the only thing we've been working on. We have requested for extra items, and the request was deemed logical, but they will be a later update maybe from Prodos.

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Day 8, ‪#‎RulesLeak‬

Day 8 already, is it now… A few more generic changes (or specific changes that will affect all races). But, before I start with this update, it is high time that I give the proper thanks to those who made this happen.

Firstly, I must thank the other four members of the team, in no specific order Jack Perry, Standa Adamek, Maxime Bouchard & Peer Lagerpusch . All of them focused on this task, and completed one another’s skills. Thank you guys! <3

Secondly, I must thank the playtesters who helped by voicing their opinions, regardless of the nature of that opinion; because, even if they were wrong, the process off proving it validated our chosen course and strengthened our resolve. Too numerous to pinpoint each one, but a thank you is due!

Lastly, I must thank the Prodos Team and Jarek Ewertowski, for being an insightfull and down to earth person. They acknowledged the issue, and were not shy to ask for help. It takes men of great courage to give to a different person (or group of) something they have worked so hard to accomplish (so many steps; design/approvals/production/management). Respect.

Ok ok yes ok, I hear you, getting on with it, yes ok, enough with the melodrama. Back to business. Massive update incoming.

1) The Air Vents have been quite frustrating regarding the rules around them. What happens if you need to “drop a mission token” in them? What happens if a Hugger Huggs the vent and won’t budge? Well, these issues have been addressed. This is a ‪#‎RulesRedesign‬

Firstly, there is a new mechanic to “Delivering to Vents” mission special rule. It has been clarified as:
Quote:
“A model may Deliver to Vents any Mission Objective Tokens it is carrying by spending one Interact Action while standing at an adjacent Tile. This Action does not count towards the restriction of using each Action only once per Model Activation.”

So, if by happenstance any tokens have fallen next to an air vent, you may pick them up and deliver them on the same turn.

Secondly, while a Model is located inside an Air Vent Tile, enemy Models may not move in or through that Air Vent Tile.

Thirdly, this, gentlemen, is an added bonus, certain models may use Ranged Attacks to hit enemies hiding in Air Vents. Such models are:

Predators: A Predator armed with a Smart Disc may target an Adjacent Air Vent Tile, but if he does he only hits Models on that Tile.

USCM: A Marine Model armed with a Flamer may target an Adjacent Air Vent Tile by using the Ping! Special rule, but if he does he only hits Models on that Tile. Also, the Grenade Strategy Card can be used in the same way (Adjacent, Ping!)

2) All CC weapons now have had a change in their calculation Mechanic. This is a #RulesRedesign. Before, each CC weapon had a fixed strength (like the Ranged weapons), and was unaffected by the Model’s Strength. We have changed all CC weapons to give a MODIFIER to Model’s strength. This way, the same CC weapon is more or less effective depending on who’s wielding it.
A small (but not complete) list of examples:
Alien’s Claws have the same Strength as the S of the Model. Notable amendments:
Quote:
-Infant changed S and Con to 10.
-Queen and Crusher changed S and Con to 16
-Marine Combat Knife has the same ST as their Model’s ST (So still Marine 9 and Commando 11).
-Hydralic Grappler changed to +7 Modifier (So still the same, 16)
-Smart Disk changed to +1 Modifier (So still the same, 15)
-Combi-Stick and Wrist Blade changed to the same as their Model’s ST (So, Hunter gets a buff from 12 to 14 for Wrist Blade, and Youngbloods’ -Combi-Stick is not that strong. Also affects Elders, who will be revealed soon*TM*)

This is not such a major change, but allows us a more generic use of the weapons as well as it opens up more options to any possible future units. It is also easier for younger or new players to remember that “Combat Knife is as Model” rather than “Knife 9 for Marine, 11 for Commando, and so on.”

3) The Marine corridor perk has been reworked. This #RulesRedesign affects all three Races in different ways and cannot be classified as a specific ‪#‎Buff‬ or ‪#‎Nurf‬.
As very adequately put by a member of the team, “The Marines get to use chairs and dishes when you try to hack them, but are to stupid to DUCK when being shot at?”
The Corridor perk for USCM has been modified to Enemies getting -2RS (up from 0) and -2CC (down from 4).
This way, Aliens (and Preds) get to hit Marines more often in melee (which compells more of a “move and shoot” character to USCM), and Predators have a decreased chance to PlasmaMelt the Marines (and, as we said in Leak 7, the Smart Disc is now affected by modifiers!).

4) And now to the juicy part. Main Box Balance. We have found, suggested and tested a way to balance the forces provided. This will be a first hint of Unit Costs.
According to the system used, and the points provided by that system after tests upon tests and tweaks upon Twix (rather lovely chock bar heh), we have calculated that the contents of the box would allow players to play games with their choice of arround 120 pts. To do that, each Faction will receive a “Starting Box Force” instruction as follows:

USCM: The Marines will be using all models. Sorry amigo. Your brothers count on each other and just can’t let someone go. (Total USCM Box Cost 113 pts)

Xenomorphs: The Hive may choose between these two Forces:
-10 Infant Warriors and 3 Stalkers (118 pts)
-9 Infant Warriors and 5 Stalkers (120 pts)

Yautja: These highly competitive Predators go on a 1on1 competition to see who is the best, and their friend sits back to watch while eating pop-corn (and protecting the ship). Choose between these three Forces:
-1 Hunter & 1 Warrior with Combi-Stick & 3 Vocal Mimicry Tokens (117 pts + Mimicry)
-1 Warrior with Combi-Stick & 1 Warrior with Smart Disc & 2 Vocal Mimicry Tokens (119 pts + Mimicry)
-1 Warrior with Smart Disc & 1 Hunter & 1 Vocal Mimicry Token (124 pts + Mimicry)

This is a sneak peek of the costs for some Models.
Quote:
*The Marine Squad will cost 113 pts, and any Extra Marines will cost 19 pts each. Since we are talking of Marines… I can say that the Sarge will cost 38 pts.
*The Infants will cost 10 pts each, while the Stalkers will only cost 6! And, a bonus to you, the Facehuggers will cost only 4 pts each!
*The Predator Warriors will cost 63 pts (Disc) and 56 pts (Stick), while the Hunter will cost 61 pts. And, I could not leave you with out a bonus! You get the Hellhounds at a whooping 9 points!

Bare in mind however, that the FOC restrictions have not yet been revealed. I can confirm that the number of Facehuggers and Stalkers you may add to your force is directly linked to your Infants and Warriors! The Sentry Guns are dependant on your Marine Squads, and the Predators have a net of dependencies!

I have gone too far and said too much and now fear for my life. I will only say one thing more, and then try to hide in the shadows. We have received the changed .pdf for proofreading. “It’s the final count-down”. Maybe a 10-day, maybe less.

Now, how’s THAT for an update?
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Day 9, ‪#‎RulesLeak‬
Well… Surprisingly enough, I am going to continue selling out “Massive” Updates. This however, will come at a cost! There might be a delay on updates 11 and 12 due to travels.
Today we will be addressing some more issues of generic nature. These are ‪#‎RulesRedesign‬

1) We have changed the occupation limit for some Tiles.
-Clear/Infected/Predator Dead End Tiles now have an occupation limit of 4.
-Normal Rooms now have an occupation limit of 12.
-All other Tiles (including Predator Rooms) still have an occupation limit of 8.
This might seem “of no consequence” until you use “Build your Own Force” and try to deploy two squads of Marines in one room...

2) We have changed the Missions.
-Missions now include more objectives for each player, thus enriching the experience.
-All Mission Special Rules are clarified and are bunched up in one place (such as “deliver to vents” from previous leaks)
-Further clarified the “frag” mechanic for mission objectives, introducing frag points based on base size.
-Added a “Campaign Mode”, which is the only way you gain “experience”, and redefined the levels of experience and bonuses. Each Faction gains experience and levels in a different way, and we regard this as a fluffy element for players wishing to have a good time rather than “play hard”.

3) We have Murder/Death/Killed the “Make your own Hero” rules. While it was quite entertaining for experienced veterans to mix-and-match, tailoring your Hero to the force of your choice, we feel that this aspect belongs to the Wargame, and a Board Game should be easier and more straightforward for all players (of all ages). Instead, players get to choose from a selection of “Hero” pre-sets, as follows:

-USCM
The Marines have Lynn and Dutch, as well as four CUSTOM Heroes: The W/U Commando Captain, and 3 wound-levels of Marine Commander (Captain/Major/Colonel). Three CC Weapon Choices (Knife/Serrated Combat Blade/Composite Machete) and 3 RS Weapons (Rifle&Grenade/MARSOC Rifle&Grenade/Shotgun).

-Xenomorphs
The Xenomorphs have the usual suspects in the form of Queen and Predalien. You may only add a Praetorian if you already include a Queen. A new cheap option for the Hordy Players is the “Evolved” Alien Warrior, much like the previous Alien Warrior, and you may take them 1-4.

-Yautja
You have a choice between three different Elders: Warrior, Hunter, Berserker. They are effectively slightly stronger than their Basic counterparts, with the normal selection of weapons, including the (yet again) slightly better versions of (by popular demand) Relic Combi-Stick and Relic Smart-Disc. The Hunter and Berserker have access to all options of Plasma weaponry. One Elder has access to the reformed (better) Doomsday Machine (Self-Destruct Device).

At this point I will remind you that according to previous leaks the weapons have changed to “As User” in regards to Strength, so a Knife/Combi-Stick is better on your Hero than it is on your Average Joe/Krriklrakriklr.

4) Advanced/Custom Game Deployment has been defined. You now get a starting “Deployment Area” which is different for each Faction, and takes heed of the number of occupation points your Force Roster initially has. The Marine/Predator players take infront of them a number of Rooms/Corridors to accommodate their complete force and connect them between themselves, and place their “Deployment Area” combination of tiles to a starting position. This is too extensive to clarify now, and we will wait for the .pdf.

5) I have promised to give away some more point costs, and I’ll give one for each race.
The USMC add Sentry guns for ONLY 9 points apiece, but are restricted to 1-3 per Colonial Marine Squad. This takes up a Support slot.
The Xenomorphs get the new Warriors at the cost of 24 pts, as a Troop choice, no restrictions. The previous “build” of the Warrior should have him cost over 45 pts (almost as much as a predator) and not IKEA-cheap!
The Yautja can call upon their Hellhounds, for 9 pts each doggie. Bring dogfood. However, they are restricted to 1-6 for each Hunter or Hunter Elder.

The next updates will have us taking a looksee to the Force Organization for each Faction in turn. Rejoice! "

shadowtyrant wrote:
SNIP Rejoice! "

I'll rejoice when they send me what they owe me.

So...with all these extensive changes...I'm cool with a rulebook download, but are we going to get corrected cards?

 CptJake wrote:

I'll rejoice when they send me what they owe me.

I picked up my AvP box at Dragonmeet last December - still owed my various extras and add-ons.
Today I've finally given in and ordered some extra Marines - hopefully this will trigger the release of the rest of my stuff.

 Todosi wrote:
So...with all these extensive changes...I'm cool with a rulebook download, but are we going to get corrected cards?

This. Its pretty much a complete rewrite of the rules.

T

I just wanted to pop in and give a little feedback on Prodos' customer service. I had recently picked up all of the expansions available in retail after picking up the base game at a great discount at my FLGS. I was blown away by the detail of the miniatures. The expansion minis are of course great as well, but I had a few broken pieces. After filling out a quick form on their website and uploading a picture of the damage, I received a confirmation email. I now have all the perfect replacement pieces in hand after about a two week wait on shipping to the U.S.

timd wrote:

 Todosi wrote:
So...with all these extensive changes...I'm cool with a rulebook download, but are we going to get corrected cards?

This. Its pretty much a complete rewrite of the rules.

T

Mostly because the rules were garbage like the rest of Prodos' service for this KS

Good that the rules are getting a re-write, there were some pretty serious issues with them.

Amused that they had to specify that Aliens are immune to their own acid blood. Is there anyone buying this who hasn't seen the films? I took it as a given, of course they can't be harmed in that way.

Alien spawned from face-huggered model is just ridiculous - insta-kill is the correct way to play it I think. And again, if you don't like the movies, why are you playing this game? (I guess an excuse to use the Predalien miniature?)

Laars wrote:
I just wanted to pop in and give a little feedback on Prodos' customer service. I had recently picked up all of the expansions available in retail after picking up the base game at a great discount at my FLGS. I was blown away by the detail of the miniatures. The expansion minis are of course great as well, but I had a few broken pieces. After filling out a quick form on their website and uploading a picture of the damage, I received a confirmation email. I now have all the perfect replacement pieces in hand after about a two week wait on shipping to the U.S.

That's not customer service . Customer service is making sure the customer doesn't get broken parts in the first place .

No, that's Quality Control...

Arrived home to find my KS at the door. I have yet to check the contents to the previous email that gave me what I should have. Building will start while I wait for the new rules to be finalised & a PDF of it & the cards are produced. It has been a "Journey"

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
No, that's Quality Control...

First steps of great customer service is making sure the customer never has to come to you with a issue ...

Gave in & made an order.
Got an email this morning stating that my KS rewards are going to be shipped. Might actually get my stuff before the year is out!

PomWallaby wrote:
In the interests of transparency, I've just received my Shipment 1 "being partially sent" notification.

Recieved last Thursday. Not sure how many weeks separate the two dates. Anyways, a couple of points.
1) the bin bag packaging wasn't as bad as I feared. My "slimline" box came with a sacrificial cardboard box. The addon box was flattened but surprisingly nothing had broken.
2) all the minis appear well cast in grey stuff. It's a bit bendy but looks fine.
3) all my door holders came in blue, which is ok really.
4) none of the models require too much effort to clean up. Looks like I have more recent casts.
5) value for money wise, I think the alien warriors are great.
6) facehuggers were surprisingly good. There seem to be several sculpts but I recieved a good mix.

Not sure what may be remaining of my pledge, but if anything, it can't be much. However, I'm still waiting on another pledge. A pledge without the core game and with the Wargame rules instead.

Pretty amusing that AvP backers are getting their pledges now that the LOAD KS is over. Did the four remaining Prodos staffers find enough funds from these Prodos orders, or did something else happen?

ced1106 wrote:
Pretty amusing that AvP backers are getting their pledges now that the LOAD KS is over. Did the four remaining Prodos staffers find enough funds from these Prodos orders, or did something else happen?

Also could be that they've made enough revenue during their 30% off summer sale to expedite some of the orders they've been getting out slowly. Multiple factors, I'm sure.

I never thought I'd see the day, but I finally received a partial shipping notification from Prodos earlier.

Congratulations my Dear Xowainx !! ^^

Serviteur,

Morikun

 bubber wrote:
Gave in & made an order.
Got an email this morning stating that my KS rewards are going to be shipped. Might actually get my stuff before the year is out!

received my rewards today. very surprised at the speed of delivery. got to check the contents vs the pledge manager but it looks all there.
my rule book is copyright 2015. is this the most up-to-date version?

 bubber wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Gave in & made an order.
Got an email this morning stating that my KS rewards are going to be shipped. Might actually get my stuff before the year is out!

received my rewards today. very surprised at the speed of delivery. got to check the contents vs the pledge manager but it looks all there.
my rule book is copyright 2015. is this the most up-to-date version?

From what I understand, yes. However, they are doing a whole slew of errata and may be making an updated PDF version available "soon".

 Stormonu wrote:

 bubber wrote:

 bubber wrote:
Gave in & made an order.
Got an email this morning stating that my KS rewards are going to be shipped. Might actually get my stuff before the year is out!

received my rewards today. very surprised at the speed of delivery. got to check the contents vs the pledge manager but it looks all there.
my rule book is copyright 2015. is this the most up-to-date version?

From what I understand, yes. However, they are doing a whole slew of errata and may be making an updated PDF version available "soon".

Cool. Cheers for the info.

crazy_cat wrote:

I picked up my AvP box at Dragonmeet last December - still owed my various extras and add-ons.
Today I've finally given in and ordered some extra Marines - hopefully this will trigger the release of the rest of my stuff.

It finally arrived. Once posted was trackable via the Polish courier and UPS.
Nice models. Well packages.
Short one facehugger base and no sight of the alternate USCM, but otherwise very nice - eventually.

Well...I guess it only took 'em 3 years

With some free time coming up, I caved in and ordered from the store.

Doing so activated the emergency eject sequence on the USS Prodos, resulting in my package dropping from orbit.

Ironically, a really quick delivery. I thought I'd have to negotiate its release from their warehouse, or leave even more money in unmarked bills at a secret location. There was a little dust on the box lid, indicating it had been sitting there for months, waiting for my pennies.

Even the rubbish bag made it down unscathed. A quick check tells me that I've got the KS version (Phew) and everything looks to be present.(Phew)

Just the next wave stuff left. Typically, I ordered more of the alt+Marines and the variant heads etc, so I've only got the five from the box at the moment.

Have the Predator Spear Objective markers been released? They weren't on my shipping e-mail, but I didn't see them on the last unreleased list.

Can anyone recommend bases for the minis? I'm sure it's been discussed but my Search Fu has failed me :(

Just a relief to have something tangible in my paws. The minis do look great. A bit of cleaning up required, but nothing that looks too terrible. Next time, I'll just buy from the store though.

Battlesystems are just about to start shipping the boxes on their third KS. I got their first to go with AVP and I would still have been waiting for AVP, had I not ordered something.

Someone's raved about these (AAN i think):
http://fenrisgames.com/shop#!/Sulaco/c/6759449/offset=0&sort=normal


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UK based as well.

The AVP 2.0 rulebook is out

http://avp.prodosgames.com/downloads

Will the folks who have yet to receive anything be getting the v2.0 rulebook? Or will they be receiving an out of date book with their last dibs kickstarter rewards? I realize the number of those folks has been shrinking (finally) in recent months but it's a curious situation to get effectively an out of date product over a year after it hit retail that you funded three years earlier that already has a replacement out.

I can't speak officially, but seeing Prodos past behavior, I would not expect to see the new rulebook boxed in the set for some time.

I expect, even though they appear to assemble the boxed game in small batches, they will use existing printed stock. Even then, they probably have not "proofed" the new book at the printer. I suspect it will be 3+ months before they can even begin to consider including the new rulebook in the boxed set.

Hopefully they are smart enough that once they do they'll attach some sticker or notification of "Includes updated rulebook" right on the box.

So, what do we think to the updated rules then?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
So, what do we think to the updated rules then?

I think if Prodos ever sends me the rest of my stuff, who ever buys it all from me may as well download the new rules and use them.

Didn't something similar happen with Sedition Wars and an updated rulebook?

 Stormonu wrote:
Didn't something similar happen with Sedition Wars and an updated rulebook?

That was pretty messed up. They let us backers pay to add the new version to what got sent in the second wave if I recall correctly. But that 'new' version was already out dated when they sent it.

 Stormonu wrote:
Didn't something similar happen with Sedition Wars and an updated rulebook?

Yeah. We paid actual money for a 2nd Edition Sedition Wars rulebook (and unit cards) that was actually 1.1 rules with no scenario / game balance corrections incorporating basically no backer feedback. The cards forced an even greater bias for the monsters. Just awful and pathetic.

As a project, it's the most disappointing game I've backed.

@bubber. Thanks mate. It's been so long I'd forgotten who did the bases. That was them.

@Warboss. I just got my game this week, and it was the 1.2 rules. The box had a light dust covering, making me think it had been sitting around for quite a while. But perhaps, someone had opened it to at least put 1.2 in. I doubt, even if I had waited a couple of weeks before caving in, that I'd have had v2.0

@JohnHwangDD. I guess AvP is far from being alone. On the other hand my Battle Systems stuff is not far from arriving, and they are nothing short of excellent.

the b&w version is up on the fb page. if anyone wants me to email a copy to them just pm me you email address.

just found these!


halfway down under 'space elven & alien' here: http://www.fallouthobbies.com/decals

Funny you should mention Fallout Hobbies, cause he's another one who hasn't delivered his bloody Kickstarter...

i wonder how luthermax got his for this (where i got the link from):
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/698503.page


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ie KS or bought from e-shop

Yeah, I saw that blog post bubber! Kind of annoying! I'm still owed my not-Dark Eldar decals!

Are the bundles on the Prodos web store a good deal or can I do better ordering from an online game retailer? Can anyone provide an idea of the shipping costs?

Got a shipping notification the other day, tracker shows it left Warsaw yesterday, not sure when to expect it to arrive here in NJ. Curious as to what Ill be receiving, as I have 2 pledges and at least 2 of almost every item from the KS (except the power loader which I wasnt interested in). Heres hoping it includes the new rulebook that came out.

I just placed an order for a mega bundle on Monday. The invoice said that my order would be shipping within 3-10 days. Are orders fulfilled out of Poland or the UK?

Carthagenj wrote:
I just placed an order for a mega bundle on Monday. The invoice said that my order would be shipping within 3-10 days. Are orders fulfilled out of Poland or the UK?

When I got 'Wave 1' it shipped directly from Poland. I don't think they have anything but paperwork in the UK anymore.

Huh - so if I hadn't been dumb enough to back Prodos' Kickstarter campaign two & a half years ago I could just order now for a whopping 30-40% discount, and get my stuff both cheaper and faster! (assuming I ever get anything from these jokers...)

Surely the knowledge that your funding years ago made the whole project possible to be enjoyed by thousands (of other people for over a year) is consolation enough, right?

Trust me, I am not rubbing it in. But I did order on Monday and I received a shipping notice today. So I am quite pleased. I have backed over 30 KS projects with at least 5 that went south so I do feel your pain for all of you backers out there. But for those of you who are interested in this game, the 40% discount and flat $24 shipping to the US and 5 day turnaround can't be beat.

Got a shipping notice and a tracking number on Saturday morning.

Apparently the package weighs 9.8kgs!

 Sheep wrote:
Got a shipping notice and a tracking number on Saturday morning.

Apparently the package weighs 9.8kgs!

Don't get excited, the turtle they've strapped the packages swims extremely slowly, I've had my tracking number for almost a month now...

Has there been any more details on the rest of the items and shipping? I've not seen anything from them in maybe a month (I'm in the backer group.).

I know it really stinks but I recommend that you buy something from their website. I did & got my whole KS reward within a week.

 bubber wrote:
I know it really stinks but I recommend that you buy something from their website. I did & got my whole KS reward within a week.

However, if you items you are waiting for which have not yet 'been approved' you can't get all you are owed by ordering.

Unless the alternate Marines and cloaked predators are shipping and I somehow missed it, what applied to you won't apply to everyone.

If they have shipped, any one have pictures?

sorry - all my stuff was wave 2 or 1.

I never paid attention to kickstarter, so I don't know: will AvP the miniatures game be available on the internet / shops ? Or is this just a "one shot", and only backers will have the game ?

I heard there are problems of intellectual property ?

Is this game related to "AvP: the hunts beggins" (are the models the same size, etc ?).

Thanks !

This game is AvP: The Hunt Begins, and as a non-KS backer you are a lot more likely to get what you order than the KS backers are. If you mean the Table Top Game version instead of the Board Game version, allegedly we will eventually see the rules released as a supplement to the latest Warzone rule book.

The license is up for renewal next year I think (but I may be wrong). If you are referring to the IP violation that got the KS page shut down, that is just on of Jarek and crew's lies told to backers. There never was an IP issue.

Jarek has bragged about being able to tell Fox to feth off once the license expires. That could be taken as an indicator they do not intend to renew, but who knows.

Just an update: I placed an order on August 11 and it arrived here in Florida today August 22. The bundle deal is good until the end of August. 40% off, $24 shipping to the US and less than 2 week turnaround time. I say grab this deal while you can.

Nearly 3 years on and I still havent received my KS pledge. Countless emails sent and numerous excuses from Prodos but still nothing.

 black-rabbit wrote:
Nearly 3 years on and I still havent received my KS pledge. Countless emails sent and numerous excuses from Prodos but still nothing.

You could always order more stuff from them so they will ship you any stuff up to wave 2 they owe you.



EDIT: I won't give them another damned cent myself.

Lol, is that called "ransom"?

Yup I'm not giving them a cent more.

Hell, at this point i dont even want the damn game.

In the nearly 3 years and counting it has taken them to sort this out I've gotten married, had a kid and taken out a mortgage. My priorities have changed somewhat

 black-rabbit wrote:
In the nearly 3 years and counting it has taken them to sort this out I've gotten married, had a kid and taken out a mortgage. My priorities have changed somewhat

I think that also happened on Kingdom Death. To the creator. But he did deliver, and it was glorious.

Still, I do hope you get what you paid for.

Well, I've written mine off as a loss, checked the tracker, it's been over 6 weeks since my "package" was shipped. To the US. No answers to emails enquiring where they sent my pledge.
Well done Prodos, you are incapable of doing anything correctly.

Was it ever actually accepted by the shipping company or was a dummy tracking number just generated and nothing actually shipped?

Mine arrived yesterday, everything present, and the casting quality is great.

Best of luck to everyone else getting their stuff.

It all seems to have gone a bit quiet on the AvP front. Have there been any more updates posted in some dark corner of the web?

Also, can anybody remember the current status of wave 3 and what models are left to be released? I have yet to receive a single piece of my order, so at this point I'm resigned to the fact I probably won't get wave 1 let alone wave 3, so I ask out of morbid, masochistic curiosity more than anything.

I know Wave 3 has the cloaked predators, and the alternative Marines. I assume the 'wargame' rules as well.

I got a wave 1.5 shipping and am still missing all my Wave 3 stuff and some wave 2 stuff. Once it all gets here I'll see how much the Prodos 40% off sales have destroyed the resale value of my stuff and try to unload it on Ebay.

Bluehammer wrote:
It all seems to have gone a bit quiet on the AvP front. Have there been any more updates posted in some dark corner of the web?

Also, can anybody remember the current status of wave 3 and what models are left to be released? I have yet to receive a single piece of my order, so at this point I'm resigned to the fact I probably won't get wave 1 let alone wave 3, so I ask out of morbid, masochistic curiosity more than anything.

Nothing. Was supposed to get some ... synthoid markers. Never came. Glad I only got the base pledge and pulled the plug on this abortion.

I have the two games, still sealed, and a bunch of extras, If anyone wants it, Contact me and lets talk. I had a post over in swaps, that's what I am looking for, but I'll take trades, or discuss parting it out, if its what it takes to get rid of it....

Be careful what you pledge for, you just might not get it.

Prodos sale on AvP: http://shop.prodosgames.com/8-alien-vs-predator

It makes it even more frustrating when Prodos are doing these massive sales when people still haven't received their back pledges.

It's like they're saying "thanks for supporting this project and making it a reality. We're still not going to send your stuff. Oh BTW if you'd waited 3 years you could have gotten it cheaper and faster"

Very frustrating...

 black-rabbit wrote:
It makes it even more frustrating when Prodos are doing these massive sales when people still haven't received their back pledges.

It's like they're saying "thanks for supporting this project and making it a reality. We're still not going to send your stuff. Oh BTW if you'd waited 3 years you could have gotten it cheaper and faster"

Very frustrating...

To me it says 'Sales are much slower than expected. Better sell product off at a reduced rate to cover loses and generate cash flow, while simultaneously clearing valuable warehouse space for new projects.' Maybe it's just me being cynical, but at this point cynicism is all I've got to show for backing this project.

If Prodos may not be renewing the the AvP licence, I'm also wondering if there is some clause in the contract that says they can not retain, or at least sell, any of the AvP stock after the licence has expired. So getting rid of it at reduced rate is better than having unsellable stock taking up storage space.

Bluehammer wrote:

 black-rabbit wrote:
It makes it even more frustrating when Prodos are doing these massive sales when people still haven't received their back pledges.

It's like they're saying "thanks for supporting this project and making it a reality. We're still not going to send your stuff. Oh BTW if you'd waited 3 years you could have gotten it cheaper and faster"

Very frustrating...

To me it says 'Sales are much slower than expected. Better sell product off at a reduced rate to cover loses and generate cash flow, while simultaneously clearing valuable warehouse space for new projects.' Maybe it's just me being cynical, but at this point cynicism is all I've got to show for backing this project.

If Prodos may not be renewing the the AvP licence, I'm also wondering if there is some clause in the contract that says they can not retain, or at least sell, any of the AvP stock after the licence has expired. So getting rid of it at reduced rate is better than having unsellable stock taking up storage space.

If they are not renewing the licence then there is the real possibility that backers may not ever get their pledges fulfilled.

Bah. I'll bet backers received what they are waiting before 2018.

"Backers" will get nothing, and like it.

Then the added insult to injury about removing the project from Kickstarter, so you have no alternative, yeah, !@#$ you Prodos. Thanks for nothing.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

If they are not renewing the licence then there is the real possibility that backers may not ever get their pledges fulfilled.

Nah, it's not like the company in the UK that technically is responsible for fulfillment was gutted of almost all assets that could be sold in the unlikely case of a lawsuit against them by creditors. If I were you, it would only be worrisome if those assets were then transferred to another company operated by almost all the same folks in another country leaving the first able to shut down once the license ends (with a fire sale at rock bottom prices of existing stock) while backers are still waiting to have portions or, for some, all of their pledges fulfilled. All that hypothetical stuff is unlikely though unless the owners/operators of the company start ragging on both their licensor as well as customers.

 Mr. Burning wrote:

Bluehammer wrote:

 black-rabbit wrote:
It makes it even more frustrating when Prodos are doing these massive sales when people still haven't received their back pledges.

It's like they're saying "thanks for supporting this project and making it a reality. We're still not going to send your stuff. Oh BTW if you'd waited 3 years you could have gotten it cheaper and faster"

Very frustrating...

To me it says 'Sales are much slower than expected. Better sell product off at a reduced rate to cover loses and generate cash flow, while simultaneously clearing valuable warehouse space for new projects.' Maybe it's just me being cynical, but at this point cynicism is all I've got to show for backing this project.

If Prodos may not be renewing the the AvP licence, I'm also wondering if there is some clause in the contract that says they can not retain, or at least sell, any of the AvP stock after the licence has expired. So getting rid of it at reduced rate is better than having unsellable stock taking up storage space.

If they are not renewing the licence then there is the real possibility that backers may not ever get their pledges fulfilled.

They renewed the license, despite negative comments by Prodos regarding the company holding the license.

What about Cloaked Pred ?

Is there anybody who already received it... Or lot in the Warp ?

Serviteur,

Morikun

I finally recieved a reply to the enquiring I sent. Posted to the wrong country, but apparently it was delivered to wherever they sent it, so I can have a nice day!

Hahaha. Wow. That is crazy. So are you getting anything then to compensate you, Joyboozer?

I doubt it. I was resigned to getting nothing, but now I'm just fething furious. The incompetence is staggering. After asking me to resupply them with my address, despite the endless fething reopening and rechecking of the pledge manager, they manage to send it to the wrong fething country!
And have the gall to tell me to have a nice day!

Joyboozer wrote:
I doubt it. I was resigned to getting nothing, but now I'm just fething furious. The incompetence is staggering. After asking me to resupply them with my address, despite the endless fething reopening and rechecking of the pledge manager, they manage to send it to the wrong fething country!
And have the gall to tell me to have a nice day!
feth you Prodos!

Are they really washing their hands of you after *THEY* sent it to the wrong country? Did their database or employee just plug in the address from another backer with your name and they got your pledge or did they actually send it to the same name/same address/same city in a different country?

JAREK SPEAKS!!! (finally)

Full text of message below:



"Hi there, thanks for your message, ok so 1st off all we need to establish to whom you have gave your new updated address, as it was not changed by you in Pledge Manager" (Ed. It was. Several times. As well as multiple emails to notify them of the changed address.)

"secondly, we are not providing refunds, simple fact is that we lost a lot of money on that Kickstarter thus, really, to product we needed to manufacture for you pledge we needed to add money instead of making profit of it
and thirdly, we have lost another 50 USD on shipping your parcel to you and another 50USD as it was not collected (for return trip)".

"So currently I am not sure how we can process this now."


"Thanks."



So basically, they stuffed up and sent it to the wrong address, fed me a sob story about how they lost money on the kickstarter, and finished the email with a non committal "I'm not sure how we can process this"

In other words, I've paid them and they're refusing to send my goods to me. Sounds like a pretty solid basis for a successful business.

So they screwed up multiple aussie addresses?

Seems that way. The problem is no doubt compounded by the fact that it costs so much and takes so long to get anything shipped out here.

Wow, that is bullgak. Their fethup isn't on you, it's on them.

Oh man, and the hits keep coming! Whats to stop them from saying that to all the other outstanding backers out there? Uh, we shipped it to you and it was returned, so obviously you don't want it... proof perhaps? I get that a certain percentage of people (in general) will try a scam, but Prodos trying to say people are scamming them? Thats rediculous!

Tell me about it, they sent it to me under the "Hudson D." name, so the postal services refused to deliver it, and I'm trying (emphasis on "trying") to get a word from Prodos saying I'm the person they're supposed to send it to.
Thankfully, the postal services are (somewhat) understanding, and keeping the box without sending it back.

Man, this just keeps getting better !

 HudsonD wrote:
Tell me about it, they sent it to me under the "Hudson D." name, so the postal services refused to deliver it, and I'm trying (emphasis on "trying") to get a word from Prodos saying I'm the person they're supposed to send it to.
Thankfully, the postal services are (somewhat) understanding, and keeping the box without sending it back.

Man, this just keeps getting better !

What name and address did you put in the Pledge Manager?

Wow.... I thought I struggled to get my pledge off them... Sweet monkey tuesday, this is horrendous.

 HudsonD wrote:
Tell me about it, they sent it to me under the "Hudson D." name, so the postal services refused to deliver it, and I'm trying (emphasis on "trying") to get a word from Prodos saying I'm the person they're supposed to send it to.
Thankfully, the postal services are (somewhat) understanding, and keeping the box without sending it back.

Man, this just keeps getting better !

You mean that's not your real name? Next you'll tell me that you forged the avatar pic as well along with JohnHwang!


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 JohnHwangDD wrote:

What name and address did you put in the Pledge Manager?

Private First Class William L. Hudson
United States Colonial Marine Corps
2nd Battalion Bravo Team
U.S.S. Sulaco en route to
Hadley's Hope LV-426

Are only the KS backers not getting there stuff? because I thought I would try to buy some of there aliens but if the aliens will never get delivered I won't bother...

 warboss wrote:

Private First Class William L. Hudson
United States Colonial Marine Corps
2nd Battalion Bravo Team
U.S.S. Sulaco en route to
Hadley's Hope LV-426

Nah, that's Hudson W., I'm Hudson D.

 Dwarfmorf101 wrote:
Are only the KS backers not getting there stuff? because I thought I would try to buy some of there aliens but if the aliens will never get delivered I won't bother...

Folks buying from the web store typically get their stuff.

 CptJake wrote:

 Dwarfmorf101 wrote:
Are only the KS backers not getting there stuff? because I thought I would try to buy some of there aliens but if the aliens will never get delivered I won't bother...

Folks buying from the web store typically get their stuff.

Thanks!

 black-rabbit wrote:
JAREK SPEAKS!!! (finally)

Full text of message below:



"Hi there, thanks for your message, ok so 1st off all we need to establish to whom you have gave your new updated address, as it was not changed by you in Pledge Manager" (Ed. It was. Several times. As well as multiple emails to notify them of the changed address.)

"secondly, we are not providing refunds, simple fact is that we lost a lot of money on that Kickstarter thus, really, to product we needed to manufacture for you pledge we needed to add money instead of making profit of it
and thirdly, we have lost another 50 USD on shipping your parcel to you and another 50USD as it was not collected (for return trip)".

"So currently I am not sure how we can process this now."


"Thanks."



So basically, they stuffed up and sent it to the wrong address, fed me a sob story about how they lost money on the kickstarter, and finished the email with a non committal "I'm not sure how we can process this"

In other words, I've paid them and they're refusing to send my goods to me. Sounds like a pretty solid basis for a successful business.

And yet they could afford to offer 40% off to new customers, making some items cheaper than what I paid for them.

That's new money that they don't have that can be taken back. Old nonrefundable money is, in their eyes, apparently worth less... or worthless... not sure which one is more accurate. :(

I placed two orders recently and received my orders in less than 2 weeks.

Carthagenj wrote:
I placed two orders recently and received my orders in less than 2 weeks.

As stated above, new money is treated differently by them because you can file a complaint with your credit card company or paypal and get it back. The people complaining here are the folks that believed in Prodos enough to crowdfund them years ago and are some art still waiting for the very same products you just recently ordered because Prodos apparently long ago put backers of their project last on the list of priorities since the backers have no way of forceably getting their money back.

What's this!? A random email from Prodos games???


"Hi there!

Your AvP Kickstarter order is now being Shipment

Prodos Games team"



What sorcery is this???

*slow clap* fingers x'd you get all of your stuff black-rabbit

FB update:

Hi all, this is not the full update, as I am away due to personal issues and I cannot reach key people to clarify few points. However, the official statement will be made on our website blog within next few days and here are the key points you may be interested in. Please bear in mind, non of the changed will affect Kickstarters delivery.
1. There is a changed in Prodos Games LTD management structure.
2. New management’s priority is to finish AvP Kickstarter delivery asap, and the route-map is created in order to finish it off:
a) new stuff is being employed to increase capacity for manufacturing and customer service in order to improve communication with backers and shipping.
b) new management decision was to cancel many external casting work to increase capacity to finish AvP Kickstarter, as you may know, every item approved post March 16 needed to be manufactured for you.
c) nothing will be release to retail until the last backer receive their pledges.
d) slow shipping in last 2 months was caused by :
-holiday period and sick absence
- low capacity (too much work taken on by Prodos – issue addressed)
- issues with pledge manager – Prodos team needed to go through each individual pledge, and confirm it with shipping goods as Prodos have received feedback about double-shipping the same pledge to several backers. (addressed by Prodos)
- we had yearly VAT check and need to take a stocktake, that effectively cut out two weeks from our manufacturing/packing capacity.
3. Prodos is looking into tokens issue. This can only be addressed post Kickstarter.
4. 3D terrain is in external supplier 3D print and will be with us within weeks, it will be revealed and send to backers as soon as we start manufacturing it (3-4 weeks at max).
5. Wargaming book, the work on layout for the book is starting this week Monday, the book should be manufactured within 60 days, you will be able to see a preview PDF weeks before it goes to print.
6. Remaining items – Clear Predators, Marines tokens and multi parts models are in manufacturing and the stock in build up for shipping.
7. PLEASE check your pledge manger for address and same and SURNAME for shipping!
Other issues not related with Kickstarter that won’t affect you at all are:
- post Brexit (customs issues that may affect EU and USA customers post Brexit, it wont affect backers at all, however its a valid point as it will affect many current UK based Kickstarters if not delivered within a year or so)
- Prodos HQ relocation to USA
- moving from GBP as main currency to USD due to unsectarian position of GBP post Brexit.

As I have all my stuff, it doesn't affect me but others will be interested.


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Sorry - this was from Jarek.

Change in management? Cancelling manufacture for other companies? HQ relocation to USA?

Interesting times...

Definitely a step in the right direction, but I wonder if it's too little too late considering all the ill will they've generated amongst their community.

 black-rabbit wrote:
Definitely a step in the right direction, but I wonder if it's too little too late considering all the ill will they've generated amongst their community.

It's only a step in the right direction if they follow through in a timely fashion without finding some new way to screw over backers in the meantime. Prodos has never had a problem making promises... just actually keeping them.

Thanks for posting that update, Bubber.

Does *sound* promising. I agree that it's far too late for Prodos to change the opinion of many backers - not after over a year of retail sales and recently offering 40% discounts (as a reminder, backers received a 5% discount by way of apology...).

I should think they're (belatedly) trying to repair their reputation so that it doesn't stink up future projects so much. Me saying "I still don't have anything 2.5 years later..." sounds a lot worse than "they eventually delivered 2.5 years after they said they would", and backers are less likely to post negative comments once they have their stuff.

Past performance is generally a very good indicator of future performance. Jarek, in the past, has proven to be a liar. I'll be surprised if that tiger changes its stripes.

It arrived today! I was very surprised at how quick the postage was.

Model cast quality seems good and the product overall was great. Doubt I'll ever have dealings with the company going forward but credit where credit is due, they put out a nice product

 black-rabbit wrote:
It arrived today! I was very surprised at how quick the postage was.

Model cast quality seems good and the product overall was great. Doubt I'll ever have dealings with the company going forward but credit where credit is due, they put out a nice product

What version of the rules did it come with?

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Change in management? Cancelling manufacture for other companies? HQ relocation to USA?

Did you follow the LOAD KS? In the LOAD KS, we found out that the creator, Archon, was owned by Prodos. Prodos reduced its staff to four people, and Archon increased its staff to thirty. (Or something to that effect.)

My guess is that Prodos / Archon is using LOAD funding to finish up AvP, much like it used AvP funds to finish up Warzone.

I didn't anticipate cancelling manufacturing, but I guess KS backers who won't back KS projects with mini's made by Prodos might be congratulating themselves.

BGG: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/195547/load-league-ancient-defenders

 black-rabbit wrote:
It arrived today! I was very surprised at how quick the postage was.

Model cast quality seems good and the product overall was great. Doubt I'll ever have dealings with the company going forward but credit where credit is due, they put out a nice product

Congrats! I'm glad Prodos did the right thing by you.

 bubber wrote:
FB update:

c) nothing will be release to retail until the last backer receive their pledges.

That bit made me laugh.

I'm definitely in the 'I'll believe it when I see it camp.' Interesting reading non-the-less, and if true it sounds like somebody has decided to take Prodos by the collar and give it a damn good shake. Guess somebody with some business acumen has finally pointed out that a company is only as good as its reputation, and a bad rep spreads beyond just the people being spat on. Interesting they are moving their head office to the USA, as isn't America known for having some quite strict corporate law and a willingness to enforce them (unlike the UK, where we give rogue companies a stern but meaningful 'tut')?

So I guess the new sweep-stake is: will us Brits get our stuff before Brexit; it is only 2 years away after all?