Hello, I'm surprised one hasn't been made. But let's update here what we get from tonight's previews!

P.S. Anyone know if they're live streaming the event?

They have announced that they are live streaming something on Facebook live at 9pm CST.

"We’ve got what is quite possibly the biggest and best Studio Preview ever planned for AdeptiCon – and last year, we announced the new edition of Warhammer 40,000!"

I really, really hope there is at the very least, ONE Xenos reveal. But I can't help but wonder what it will be, Knights? Plastic Warhound?

Sisters of Battle.

Joking aside, it's pretty solid bet that at least one reveal will be the Idoneth Deepkin for Age of Sigmar.

Adeptus Titanicus with remote controlled titans

When they start the livestream retransmition from facebook how do you watch it? I never use that social platform!

 Galas wrote:
When they start the livestream retransmition from facebook how do you watch it? I never use that social platform!

I'm not sure myself!

 rollawaythestone wrote:
Sisters of Battle.

Joking aside, it's pretty solid bet that at least one reveal will be the Idoneth Deepkin for Age of Sigmar.

Jokes and all tbh that is actually kind of what I would want to see if I had a choice. But i'm expecting Deepkin, a deeper look at the specialist games stuff like gang war 3, maybe some kind of boxed set.

 Galas wrote:
When they start the livestream retransmition from facebook how do you watch it? I never use that social platform!

It will also be on their Twitch.

Basically though, it will say "Soandso is LIVE" with a red dot next to their name. Just turn the sound on and go from there.

 Galas wrote:
When they start the livestream retransmition from facebook how do you watch it? I never use that social platform!

It will be on the Warhammer TV page, link in the WHC post: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/21/warhammer-live-at-adepticon-2/

It'd be REALLY impressive if they managed to sneak Sisters under every leakers radar for that to be the reveal. Don't get me wrong I'd be ecstatic - but something like the Titan game, deepkin, etc is probably more likely.

One can dream though. How awesome would an out of left field sisters reveal be?

I'm just not sure the Titanicus game qualifies as "We’ve got what is quite possibly the biggest and best Studio Preview ever planned for AdeptiCon – and last year, we announced the new edition of Warhammer 40,000!"

Especially since they already revealed it was coming.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Galas wrote:
When they start the livestream retransmition from facebook how do you watch it? I never use that social platform!

It will also be on their Twitch.

Basically though, it will say "Soandso is LIVE" with a red dot next to their name. Just turn the sound on and go from there.

Ok , thanks! It should be soon, no? Its already 2 AM here.

the_scotsman wrote:
It'd be REALLY impressive if they managed to sneak Sisters under every leakers radar for that to be the reveal. Don't get me wrong I'd be ecstatic - but something like the Titan game, deepkin, etc is probably more likely.

One can dream though. How awesome would an out of left field sisters reveal be?

I'm torn on this one, because I understand Sisters fans have been waiting forever to see them. But I'm SICK TO DEATH of imperial releases and I'd like to see some of the Xenos get some love for a while.

the_scotsman wrote:
It'd be REALLY impressive if they managed to sneak Sisters under every leakers radar for that to be the reveal. Don't get me wrong I'd be ecstatic - but something like the Titan game, deepkin, etc is probably more likely.

One can dream though. How awesome would an out of left field sisters reveal be?

Idoneth are basically a given at this point.
I could see the Titan game being a play on words.
I would flipping love to see a Sisters reveal. I really would.

I'd flip a damn table if they reveal a Leviathan for my Guard though.

the_scotsman wrote:
It'd be REALLY impressive if they managed to sneak Sisters under every leakers radar for that to be the reveal. Don't get me wrong I'd be ecstatic - but something like the Titan game, deepkin, etc is probably more likely.

One can dream though. How awesome would an out of left field sisters reveal be?

"My source told me Sisters are coming this year guys!" have been touted for so many years that nobody would believe them anyway.

BoLS live-blogging: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/03/breaking-games-workshop-40k-more-product-reveals-adepticon.html

I wonder why they haven't started the streams if they've already started the seminar. Perhaps only streaming certain reveals?

 rollawaythestone wrote:
I'm just not sure the Titanicus game qualifies as "We’ve got what is quite possibly the biggest and best Studio Preview ever planned for AdeptiCon – and last year, we announced the new edition of Warhammer 40,000!"

Especially since they already revealed it was coming.

We know it's coming, but we haven't actually seen anything for it yet.

On the other hand, given that their last 'Huge News Reveal!!(tm)' turned out to be an updated Custodes codex, I'm not getting any hopes up for the 'biggest reveal ever'... It'll probably turn out to be dice, or something.

 insaniak wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
I'm just not sure the Titanicus game qualifies as "We’ve got what is quite possibly the biggest and best Studio Preview ever planned for AdeptiCon – and last year, we announced the new edition of Warhammer 40,000!"

Especially since they already revealed it was coming.

We know it's coming, but we haven't actually seen anything for it yet.

On the other hand, given that their last 'Huge News Reveal!!(tm)' turned out to be an updated Custodes codex, I'm not getting any hopes up for the 'biggest reveal ever'... It'll probably turn out to be dice, or something.

Hah. So true.

Age of Sigmar the card game.

Yay.

We all kept comparing Warhammer 40k to magic. Now look what you've made them do.

Harlequins and Deathwatch are the next codexes (presumably after Dark Eldar?). Stoked for some Harlequin love.

AdmiralHalsey wrote:
Age of Sigmar the card game.

Yay.

We all kept comparing Warhammer 40k to magic. Now look what you've made them do.

To be fair considering how many 3rd party stores survive on MTG its not a bad idea; if GW carried it off well it could generate a good repeat income from trickle sales same way MTG does.

New knight

The sheer number of CCGs that have lived and died horrid deaths, [Two versions of Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Star trek, * 2, and Babylon 5 to name a few.] on intellectual properties _Far_ bigger than Age of Fething Sigmar, run by companies with some idea what they're doing, in a marketplace at the time significantly less swamped in competition...

This just isn't going to end well, I promise you.

Listbuilding App, though. Like, _Finally_. That's good, right?
Free listbuilding App. Fair thee well Battlescribe...

9:34 EST: PLASTIC SISTERS 2019 SET YOUR CLOCKS New models being designed now.

https://spikeybits.com/2018/03/live-reveals-games-workshops-preview.html

8:38 – STOP THE PRESSES – PLASTIC SISTERS (FOR REAL!!!)

I'm gonna die.

So 2/3 of the clocks have come true. Plastic Thunderhawk incoming?!

 rollawaythestone wrote:
8:38 – STOP THE PRESSES – PLASTIC SISTERS (FOR REAL!!!)

... Nope still don't believe it.

Oh dear. Watch the prices on Metal Sisters Sooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrr.

Also, no Joke, that caused the BOLS page to crash due to too many connections.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
8:38 – STOP THE PRESSES – PLASTIC SISTERS (FOR REAL!!!)

Well it had to happen as there’s 3 or 4 KS for alternatives out there.

 Creeping Dementia wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
8:38 – STOP THE PRESSES – PLASTIC SISTERS (FOR REAL!!!)

... Nope still don't believe it.

AND CA IS A BETA TEST OF THE NEW CODEX!!!

Oh may god, I'm glad it is in 2019, I will have time to have money

ERJAK wrote:

 Creeping Dementia wrote:

 rollawaythestone wrote:
8:38 – STOP THE PRESSES – PLASTIC SISTERS (FOR REAL!!!)

... Nope still don't believe it.

AND CA IS A BETA TEST OF THE NEW CODEX!!!

All you patience has finally paid off eh? I really want to see these gals.

I want to see these Idoneth Deepkin. Apparently they are riding Seahorses and turtles and stuff...

#GWTOO?

All kidding aside, glad to see them finally arrive.

Well, you know - eventually!

Does anyone have pictures or the like?

Whilst I'm not a Sisters player I'm really excited to see that news - great for the hobby to see a much neglected force now getting its due attention; plus great for all those players and fans now able to know for certain that their army will remain!

Meh. I know everyone wants them, but TBH they're just space marines with different heads. Unless they're coming with a comprehensive redesign, both in models and in rules, I can't see this being anything but a disappointment.

 Overread wrote:
Whilst I'm not a Sisters player I'm really excited to see that news - great for the hobby to see a much neglected force now getting its due attention; plus great for all those players and fans now able to know for certain that their army will remain!

I don’t play them and I might buy some just to show GW that listening to their customers is the wise thing to do.

Nothing but Imperial releases as usual. Sad.

 Peregrine wrote:
Meh. I know everyone wants them, but TBH they're just space marines with different heads. Unless they're coming with a comprehensive redesign, both in models and in rules, I can't see this being anything but a disappointment.

_Betatesting_ the rules for a faction is pretty unheard of. I can't imagine they're dedicating Chapter Approved to new Sisters for it to be a reprint of the Index, with some stratagems thrown in.

As for the models, I'm expecting a consistant theme, just because of how consistant Celestine was with Celestine MK1, and the need for Celestine to fit in with new plastic sisters. I'd expect, for example, for Plastic Seraphim to look a lot like her girls.

well, per spiky bits sisters are coming in 2019, so still a while to go

I'm honestly okay with them looking mostly the same, gothic medieval nuns in power armor. Seeing them get sleeker armor or refined to the level of primaris would kill my interest. I honestly mostly liked them for that religious nut feel, plus the more gritty armor style.

I'm surprised we don't have any choppy phone images of the deepkin yet, you'd think they banned cellphones and stuff from the room by how this is going.

Congratulations Sisters players!

But I agree, very sad that it looks like 70% of 40K related news was Imperial releases, models or codexes. :(

 Peregrine wrote:
Meh. I know everyone wants them, but TBH they're just space marines with different heads. Unless they're coming with a comprehensive redesign, both in models and in rules, I can't see this being anything but a disappointment.

See, this right here tells me you actually know nothing about SoB and can be totally dismissed.

SoB play more like Dark Eldar than space marines.

According to BOLS: 8:53 – Plastic Sisters are in design, slated for 2019

Beta rules in Chapter Approved 2019 still puts them far away... but it's nice to have a actual confirmation of impending release.

Is it on their Twitch too? If so could someone please link it?

9:57 EST: Chaos Space Marine updates before Sisters in 2019

:0

A new CSM kit?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/22/breaking-news-major-revealsgw-homepage-post-1/

They've updated Warhammer Commmunity with the announcements.

New stuff posted on the Warhammer Community page

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/22/breaking-news-major-revealsgw-homepage-post-1/



All the Preview Videos

Wow those Idoneth models are pretty cool. Love the guy with the wave cloak and the giant turtle.

Okay GW, now this time, please actually deliver on it unlike the last few times you promised plastic Sisters of Battle over the past two decades.

I'm happy you're at least talking about it again at any rate....

I'm not as impressed with the Deepkin as I was hoping. Some amazing models there, but thematically, it doesn't scream "awesome" like the Daughters of Khaine did to me. I'd love to paint that turtle though.

Those Shadespire cards... are they announcing a second season? I don't recognize the faction icons and it has a different icon next to the card numbering.

Bah, beat to it.

My watch will finally end.

I don't think I'd build a whole Deepkin army, but I will certainly get some for allies for my Daughters force (and allies can easily turn into a small army). The Turtle looks fantastic, I was a bit worried it would look strange, but they've really done well. The shark warriors I certainly want!

Also I don't want a giant spikeball I want the DRAGON in the artwork!

Whelp looks like I've got a year to save up for my new army.

God damn finally a list builder app. I hope it lets you print out the list with the rules to go with it or maybe it will just be a blank slate like the warscroll and your codex fills in the gap for rules input.

I like the Deepkin guys that totally "Don't need eyes where we're going."


Also that Knight Warlord thing.

So they actually will release Sisters of Battle based in the survey? Thats why they are designing the models now? Wow, thats... thats actually... a good thing, to hear your playerbase.

As long as I can give my giant Knight thing a weapon that isn't a plasma gun, I'll be thrilled to purchase it.

From the slightly blurry video the gunned up knight doesn't look as cool as the Cerastus ones, but still interesting.

 Galas wrote:

Spoiler:

[youtube]
https://youtu.be/smqK5cHSxMA[/youtube]

So they actually will release Sisters of Battle based in the survey? Thats why they are designing the models now? Wow, thats... thats actually... a good thing, to hear your playerbase.

It fits since Sisters are coming next year, I wager the survey showed that there was serious interest from a large body of gamers not just the vocal few on the facebook page every few weeks. Plus I guess from GW's point of view the metal sisters might not have been selling well so from their cost-benefit internally there were a few die-hards screaming for sisters and models that they couldn't sell. So when the survey goes "actually guys lots of people want them" it likely helped give them the greenlight to go "ok lets do it!"

 Overread wrote:
It fits since Sisters are coming next year, I wager the survey showed that there was serious interest from a large body of gamers not just the vocal few on the facebook page every few weeks. Plus I guess from GW's point of view the metal sisters might not have been selling well so from their cost-benefit internally there were a few die-hards screaming for sisters and models that they couldn't sell. So when the survey goes "actually guys lots of people want them" it likely helped give them the greenlight to go "ok lets do it!"

I don't even play 40k, but I still requested plastic Sisters on my survey. You're welcome.

That turtle is freaking awesome!

AND THAT KNIGHT IS AMAZING!

Also that new knight actually looks kinda cool. I really hate myself for saying that but that may be what I end up getting for apocalypse scale games since it will be in plastic and far easier to build than the resin titans

I'm wondering if there will be Chaos versions of the new Knights...

Not quite what I was expecting with the Deepkin, but those models DO look gorgeous.

I'm liking the Deepkin, the new Knight, the Deepkin....

I'm a grognard and while I've always enjoyed GW, I've never been a fanboy... but they're winning me over.

Hold me. I'm scared.

Ugh, that "knight". Looks like we found out what they decided to do with the CAD models from the canceled Epic revival...

 Overread wrote:

 Galas wrote:

Spoiler:

[youtube]
https://youtu.be/smqK5cHSxMA[/youtube]

So they actually will release Sisters of Battle based in the survey? Thats why they are designing the models now? Wow, thats... thats actually... a good thing, to hear your playerbase.

It fits since Sisters are coming next year, I wager the survey showed that there was serious interest from a large body of gamers not just the vocal few on the facebook page every few weeks. Plus I guess from GW's point of view the metal sisters might not have been selling well so from their cost-benefit internally there were a few die-hards screaming for sisters and models that they couldn't sell. So when the survey goes "actually guys lots of people want them" it likely helped give them the greenlight to go "ok lets do it!"

Also, puts paid to all those rumors of 'sisters are done and just waiting for a window, blah de blah'. Nope, they were never even working on them until now.

edit: thanks to everyone who put them in the survey.

Any pics of the Knight?

"So, we’re going to do something we’ve never done before – right up until the release, we’ll be bringing you updates on the Sisters of Battle, sharing images and snippets of info and a whole ton of behind the scenes goodness."

They definitely owe that to the fan base to be extra transparent about the progress on Sisters. Good thing.

Looks like a new Black Coach for Death

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Any pics of the Knight?

You can watch the video here. But they didn't post any high res shots or anything..

Most effective way to stop IP infringement.

Produce the models to go with the rules.

There are multiple non GW companies that have put out not sisters models. Putting out their own that are of high quality and stepping up to organized events with " only GW models" is better than legal action.

blaktoof wrote:
Most effective way to stop IP infringement.

Produce the models to go with the rules.

There are multiple non GW companies that have put out not sisters models. Putting out there own that are of high quality and stepping up to organized events with " only GW models" is better than legal action.

No doubt. It's amazing they have been so stubborn as to only start on Sisters... NOW.

 rollawaythestone wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Any pics of the Knight?

You can watch the video here. But they didn't post any high res shots or anything..

Hnnnng!!

Amazing reveal. It really is amazing when you compare this to the GW of old. Lots of information, multiple releases. Interacting with the community. Well done GW

I've had 3 wishes for 40k the past year:
- Digital list builder
- Updated rules for Deathwatch
- Updated models for Sisters

Looks like I found the genie in the lamp and he granted me an extra big stompy robot too!

I...I don't actually believe it. Like, I can read the words on the WHC page and I know what they say, but my brain just won't accept them.

Not a rumour. Not a marketing troll. Actual, literal, confirmed plastic Sisters.




As for the rest:

AoS CCG? Two of my least favourite things coming together to form one super least favourite thing, like a Voltron of dislike. Pass.

The new Knight. Eh...hmm. Not a fan? I dunno I think I'll need to see more to make a final decision, but at first glance it looks pretty derpy.

Warhammer Legends. OK? Not the WHF revival some of us wanted, I assume this is just a way for them to shunt the legacy WHF army lists off so they don't have to bother properly supporting them with points & balancing any more, but keeping them available in some form is better than just dumping the whole thing.

Deepkin are...well, it's hard to jump the shark when your army features actual sharks, but they're having a good go. Still, some of the models are rather nice, I like the guy with the scroll & octopus, the guy with the wind chimes is very cool, as are the weird eel-riders, and the shipwrecks are going to be useful.

Plastic fething Sisters...

EDIT: Oh, and if that teaser does portend(aha) a new Black Coach? Excellent.

Ahh the sweet sweet taste of being right, I think I'm going to go PM every hater who told me that GWs wasn't going to do a codex for every faction they listed in CA 2017.

"Man did you see that adepticon announcement, deathwatch, imperial knights, and sisters of battle all announced. Who would have guessed that they were going to do what they said in CA 2017, oh wait this guy"

There's a lot of interesting information to gleam from the Underworld cards. Looks like 120 additional cards in the second set; more Stormcast I assume along with Malignants and those are likely the starter box contents given the numbering. Screaming spirit for the set symbol as well. Not sure if that means anything to anyone.

Poor Shieldwolf and their preoder...

 Galas wrote:
Poor Shieldwolf and their preoder...

Anvil Industry are having a KS for their version of SoB next month too...

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Poor Shieldwolf and their preoder...

Anvil Industry are having a KS for their version of SoB next month too...

Anvil should be much safer since the concept art they've been showing has more stuff that's less a direct lift if the GW aesthetic, depending on scale I want several of their "specialist" models. But yeah Shieldwolf are humped.

Sooo...Orks in 2020 then?

few things.....
1. metal sisters prices are going to be higher than willie nelson
2. Harlequin codex finally
3. AoS ccg....hope it doesn't see a terrible death
4. and HOLY gak im super pumped about the Deepkin

 LunarSol wrote:
There's a lot of interesting information to gleam from the Underworld cards. Looks like 120 additional cards in the second set; more Stormcast I assume along with Malignants and those are likely the starter box contents given the numbering. Screaming spirit for the set symbol as well. Not sure if that means anything to anyone.

Well Im sure this will displease quite a few people but if you look closely at what little you can see of the art on the Stormcast card it looks like

A) The helmet in the background is a female Stormcast with a similar helmet to Neave Blacktalon

B) The weapon in the foreground is either a handaxe (like Neave) or a new stave-ish looking weapon

The significance being not that we are just getting a third Stormcast Shadespire warband, but also likely that they are related to whatever Stormcast warrior chamber the Knight Zephyros is supposed to be from. Meaning that we are likely going to get another Stormcast release this year for a new warrior chamber in AoS proper before the Shadespire warband. (Which matches up with the rumor of a new Stormcast vs Death starter box later this year)

Great for me with a Stormcast army, bad for everyone who doesn't like them as a concept I suppose.

I'm not sure metal sister prices will go up unless GW stops selling them between now and 2019.

PLASTIC SISTERS!!!!! BURN THE CLOCKS!!! PRAISE THE EMPORAH!!!

Oof, I like both Sisters and Harlequins. GW is just toying with me here, I don't know if I'd rather start up Sisters or Harlequins/Dark Eldar/Ynnari soup.

All I can say is that WTF took them sooo long.

What's next, plastic thunderhawk and unsquatted squats? A boy can dream can't he?

My purchasing plans have now shifted for next year. I was going to go whole hog on Admech to bolster up my half of Forgebane.

Do you think the SOB are gonna be in a new boxed set or just a release like Custodes?

I am happy and sad at the same time. Happy about the reveals, sad about the money I will be spending the coming months XD

Hopefully Jes Goodwin is playing a big role in the Sisters development. Maybe we could even get lucky enough to squeeze a sculpt out of him.

Smart to announce this now, with so many 3rd party options out or in the offing.

 JimOnMars wrote:
Sooo...Orks in 2020 then?

The rumor/leak a couple months back is that they are June's big release along with some kind of campaign box set. From the sounds of it they are primarily delayed because GW is going big with their codex release.

 LunarSol wrote:
There's a lot of interesting information to gleam from the Underworld cards. Looks like 120 additional cards in the second set; more Stormcast I assume along with Malignants and those are likely the starter box contents given the numbering. Screaming spirit for the set symbol as well. Not sure if that means anything to anyone.

So, that's two additional factions over last time? 10 factions for wave 2? Maybe we could see some Kharadron Overlords, Daughters of Khaine, Idoneth Deepkin, Sylvaneth, Nurgle, Tzeentch, and so on. Age of Sigmar has created a bunch of really amazing armies, but the initial Shadespire releases were all kind of from the generic factions.

Anybody else stoked about the new curved peg design for flying stands that we saw on the Deepkin eel thingies?

 rollawaythestone wrote:
According to BOLS: 8:53 – Plastic Sisters are in design, slated for 2019

Beta rules in Chapter Approved 2019 still puts them far away... but it's nice to have a actual confirmation of impending release.

It's been stated from the live stream and reports that the Beta rules will be in the CA 2018. Can't wait for their 2019 release.

Someone get me on life support, I'm not sure my body is able to survive the shock of plastic Sisters on top of the Elves & Knight.

Man, just when I'd told myself that there wasn't anything GW had coming that I was interested in...

Grats to those that have been praising the Sisters, your faith has finally paid off.

Now...that knight? Yeah, that needs to be mine.

Looking at it in the big scheme of things I'm just stoked that GW is simultaneously pushing into new areas - with the Deepkin and the Melusai and Khinerai - while also fleshing out some of the corners of the established lore with the new Knights and Sisters.

Things like Exodites or Inquisitorial forces or Tau allied races all seem potentially feasible now.

It's pretty exciting. Kudos to GW.

Plastic Sisters? For real?

But what will we do for April Fools?

 Aesthete wrote:
Anybody else stoked about the new curved peg design for flying stands that we saw on the Deepkin eel thingies?

They’ve been around since Kharadron Overlords.

Huh, it really was Codex Fishmen.

That knight certainly has a lot of guns - I like it.

And if everyone who was moaning about plastic sisters actually buys them, GW should do well....

Niiice

The new Knight looks so good cant wait to see more

Mixed Primaris in the Death Watch Codex? That could be interesting. I wonder if they will get any models beyond a clam pack lieutenant and a upgrade sprue?

The Deepkin look great especially the characters. Although I'm still not sure about the whole flying fish/eels/turtle thing And going by the helm design on some of the flying war turtles(what the heck did I just type? ) crew, it looks like the Mist weaver from Shadspire is part of the faction.

They did it! Praise the plastic: We are all sisters on this blessed day.

This ought to make a lot of people happy. Great to see a proper app for 40k army building is for sure coming as well. They were taking their sweet time with that one...

 Aesthete wrote:
Looking at it in the big scheme of things I'm just stoked that GW is simultaneously pushing into new areas - with the Deepkin and the Melusai and Khinerai - while also fleshing out some of the corners of the established lore with the new Knights and Sisters.

Things like Exodites or Inquisitorial forces or Tau allied races all seem potentially feasible now.

It's pretty exciting. Kudos to GW.

I totally agree. Can't wait to see what else they're coming out with for 40k. The models for the new Age of Sigmar factions have been highly fresh.

BRING ON THE SISTERS

I CAN FINALLY COMPLETE MY FINAL ORDO

OOOOOOOH BABAY!

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Plastic Sisters? For real?

But what will we do for April Fools?

Plastic thunderhawk?

Say it's coming, then reveal that it's actually a third phoenix for high elves equivilent (And ironically completing the pokemon set of Moltres, Articuno, and Zapdos).

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Plastic Sisters? For real?

But what will we do for April Fools?

Plastic Aspect Warriors of all types.

Want to see more of this Undead army...I likes my Undead...

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Aesthete wrote:
Anybody else stoked about the new curved peg design for flying stands that we saw on the Deepkin eel thingies?

They’ve been around since Kharadron Overlords.

Lol, shows how much I've been paying attention!

Well, I'm excited now... but I'll understand if the excitement has worn off for everybody else.

Sisters players will have to find something new to be misanthropic about.

But Holy Hannah, would you look at that stompy new Knight. I wants one!!!

We already have one or two in the 40k general forum bitching that it will probably be near the end of the 8th cycle and will be out of date for 9th.

I don't care if it's just in time for 11th edition and they somehow rework the army into a horde army. Affordable models that actually look halfway decent will be great. Of course that's 'affordable' in GW plastic standards.

However I'm more currently looking forward to new Imperial Knight information. Armigers and knight variants are lovely.

 Crazyterran wrote:
We already have one or two in the 40k general forum bitching that it will probably be near the end of the 8th cycle and will be out of date for 9th.

By which he means, a couple of joking remarks about their release being at 23:59 on December 31st

I thought it was supposed to be Sisters players who're bitter complaining misanthropes? TBH all the complaining I see is coming from folk who're upset they won't be able to take the piss any more

According to this

https://sepulchreofheroes.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/my-notes-from-gw-adepticon-studio.html
Sisters aiming for Adepticon 2019.

Has this picture been posted yet?

Arm guns, back gun, shoulder guns and nipple guns!

It reminds me of a Macross destroid and that's always a good thing.

Ok.

They obviously recycled the CAD file for the epic scale Warlord Titan for Adeptus Titanicus. It even has the friggin small weapons on the front!

Does that mean that AT is canceled/delayed?

What the hell...

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
We already have one or two in the 40k general forum bitching that it will probably be near the end of the 8th cycle and will be out of date for 9th.

By which he means, a couple of joking remarks about their release being at 23:59 on December 31st

I thought it was supposed to be Sisters players who're bitter complaining misanthropes? TBH all the complaining I see is coming from folk who're upset they won't be able to take the piss any more

There was literally a guy who said it would be right near the end of 8th, and he wont believe it until he swipes his amex. Went back and looked, might have been edited out,

Theres also Melissa, lol.

The round turrets are reallly bad i think and off-putting for the whole thing, along with the weird round senor dome/camera things for the front body weapons!

Like the knew legs/knee armour section though

Where the feth are my Orks?!

This is a major flop of an announcement for me personally.

Don't worry about your orks. They likely will be coming in 4 months or so. Likely with a big release, 2 or three new kits plus characters. my guesses: deathcoptas, buggies, grazgul.

Very happy for Sisters players, it's not my army and won't be (I don't have the modeling chops to convert Sisters of Change, which is the only way I'd run the army) but it's awesome to see them get support.

Weird though this may be, what really has me interested personally is the Shadespire card hint... I said when they announced the last two warbands to call me when they do a Nighthaunts warband, and it looks like I might get my wish! Guess that means I have to get into the game.

 cuda1179 wrote:
Don't worry about your orks. They likely will be coming in 4 months or so. Likely with a big release, 2 or three new kits plus characters. my guesses: deathcoptas, buggies, grazgul.

This would be awesome but why do you think we'll get new kits? I can see a rushed, codex only steaming pile of gak getting delivered.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Where the feth are my Orks?!

This is a major flop of an announcement for me personally.

The White Dwarf preview on the Warhammer Community page features Orks in a battle report. There's Deffkoptas in the top right corner, along with what looks like a large walker. It's got a similar silhouette to a Knight, but looks like it might have been ork-ified. I don't recognise it, so it might be a hint of something new to come.

Vintersorg wrote:
Ok.

They obviously recycled the CAD file for the epic scale Warlord Titan for Adeptus Titanicus. It even has the friggin small weapons on the front!

Does that mean that AT is canceled/delayed?

What the hell...

Those are some impressive leaps there...

Likely 1) no as it's made by a different team , 2) no impact as it's made by a different team

Wait, Last Stand at Glazer's Creek II? That... sounds odd

The news is really interesting. On first impressions:
* The sea-elves are lovely models. Although they don't attract me as an army, I'm glad to see unusual stuff like this come out, and so beautifully designed.
* The new Knight looks cool; my main hope is that the legs aren't locked in one pose.
* The exclusive Primaris preview has a great pose; I'm slightly disappointed that it's exclusive.
* Sisters of Battle news is welcome, and I'm pleased for those who've 'kept the faith'. I hope the models live up to the hype.

GW tends to hide things in plain sight occasionally. Things that look like nothing turn out to be new releases or prototypes of new releases previewed long before they ever come out.

Everyone's talking about plastic Sisters, mega-Knights and Derp Elves, but there's one picture among all of this that people skipped over. I mean, it's them talking about White Dwarf, so really who cares?

But maybe we should. Here's the pic:



Anyone notice something to the far right there? Here's a terrible close up:



What are those? Could they be the new Deffkopta, coming with a new Ork Codex? That yellow one is very "studio army yellow" IMO. What about the walky thing to the left of them?

Now, the Guard force in the battle report is a highly converted army, so this may well be a converted Ork army as well, but consider for a moment that it might not be.

Are those real?

Well that is all very interesting!
Most interested in the prospect of new Death stuff- thats definitely a black coach.
The Deepkin look like a cool faction, not for me [fortunately!] but I like the heroes and the turtle- the armed octopus is my favourite. Would love to get some of the fish elements to add to my Kharadron bases.
Great to see how GW has responded to the community and is so transparent about bringing the Sisters of Battle back [surely they would have done some work on them already if they are coming next year- it takes at least 1.5 years for a plastic release?].

The big question is of course when are the Squats coming back...

Is there a summary of stuff they said, rather than showed, somewhere? I've seen snippets of info here and there but no complete summary.

 Mymearan wrote:
Is there a summary of stuff they said, rather than showed, somewhere? I've seen snippets of info here and there but no complete summary.

https://sepulchreofheroes.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/my-notes-from-gw-adepticon-studio.html

idespair wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Where the feth are my Orks?!

This is a major flop of an announcement for me personally.

The White Dwarf preview on the Warhammer Community page features Orks in a battle report. There's Deffkoptas in the top right corner, along with what looks like a large walker. It's got a similar silhouette to a Knight, but looks like it might have been ork-ified. I don't recognise it, so it might be a hint of something new to come.

I'm crossing my fat Orky fingers but it seems to me that they could both be conversion models. We'll need to see a better quality picture to be honest but the walker thing in particular looks to me like a conversion of the AOS Warboss mixed with other kits.

I don't know, I'm hoping big time for new models but my gut is saying we aint got a snowball's chance.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Nothing but Imperial releases as usual. Sad.

I like how this complaint repeats over and over ITT despite being patently false. Well, unless Deepkin, Harlequins, 2 new Shadespire bands, AoS card game, hint of new Death army, and whatever that purple pokemon skull is, are Imperial now for some reason

In fact, subtracting Sister news (as it's a year away, unlike all other stuff presented here) this news wave was 90% non-Imperial, which pretty much shows above complain will show up regardless (or rather, even when it's really not) of it being in any way warranted...

Did anyone ask - if questions were allowed - whether this Warhammer Legends thing was AoS only, or if old 40k characters would be brought back that way too?

@Irbis - Given two out of three announced Codexes were Imperial, I can kinda understand it. Not sure why people are saying "Nothing but Imperials" for 40k when there is a Harlequin book, though, unless the Harlies finally saw sense and started to work for the Emperor...

Are those imperial guard converted ? The units in the center without the feathers dont look so . Also the dead/injured figures on the ground ?

 Irbis wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Nothing but Imperial releases as usual. Sad.

I like how this complaint repeats over and over ITT despite being patently false. Well, unless Deepkin, Harlequins, 2 new Shadespire bands, AoS card game, hint of new Death army, and whatever that purple pokemon skull is, are Imperial now for some reason

In fact, subtracting Sister news (as it's a year away, unlike all other stuff presented here) this news wave was 90% non-Imperial, which pretty much shows above complain will show up regardless (or rather, even when it's really not) of it being in any way warranted...

I don’t think people factor in non-40k stuff when saying the 40k release is mostly/all-Imperial.

I think it’s more about model releases. Obviously all the codices are going to be updated (with their previous cover art no less), but Xenos models are few and far in between.

Edit: This might be a beneficial point for AOS. The range diversity there seems to be growing more significantly even with the continuous release of the Golden Bois.

 CURNOW wrote:
Are those imperial guard converted ? The units in the center without the feathers dont look so . Also the dead/injured figures on the ground ?

Ventrillian Dragoons. GW kitbash of Cadians with (mostly) Empire Pistoliers.

 Accolade wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Nothing but Imperial releases as usual. Sad.

I like how this complaint repeats over and over ITT despite being patently false. Well, unless Deepkin, Harlequins, 2 new Shadespire bands, AoS card game, hint of new Death army, and whatever that purple pokemon skull is, are Imperial now for some reason

In fact, subtracting Sister news (as it's a year away, unlike all other stuff presented here) this news wave was 90% non-Imperial, which pretty much shows above complain will show up regardless (or rather, even when it's really not) of it being in any way warranted...

I don’t think people factor in non-40k stuff when saying the 40k release is mostly/all-Imperial.

I think it’s more about model releases. Obviously all the codices are going to be updated (with their previous cover art no less), but Xenos models are few and far in between.

Edit: This might be a beneficial point for AOS. The range diversity there seems to be growing more significantly even with the continuous release of the Golden Bois.

Correct - people are talking about model releases and 40k only. There's no point mentioning "Imperial" with regards to AOS since they don't exist in that setting.

New models or model options announced as follows (for 40k only);

Knights
Deathwatch
SOB

All Imperium, as is so often the case. What new models have xenos players had to tide them over? A Necron Cryptek? Is that it?!

Here's the codex releases (not in the correct order) so far and whether they came with new models or not;

Space Marines - Primaris figures, tons
CSM - No new models
Grey Knights - No new models
Ad Mech - No new models with release but Mini Knight later
Death Guard - Tons of stuff, Mortation
Eldar - No new models, old releases rehashed
Tyranids - No new models
Imperial Guard - SLY FETHIN MARBO
Daemons - Lots of new Nurgle goodies
Blood Angels - Primaris
Dark Angels - Primaris
Custodes - Tons of stuff, most of the line
Thousand Sons - Tzaangors, kinda, Mutalith Vortex 'I feel sick' beastie kinda
Tau - No new models
Necrons - Cryptek wooooo!

I've misaligned the xenos codexes for easy viewing E - it didn't work.

This doesn't paint a pretty picture if you're a xenos only player. I don't think its any wonder people are starting to lose patience.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
GW tends to hide things in plain sight occasionally. Things that look like nothing turn out to be new releases or prototypes of new releases previewed long before they ever come out.

Everyone's talking about plastic Sisters, mega-Knights and Derp Elves, but there's one picture among all of this that people skipped over. I mean, it's them talking about White Dwarf, so really who cares?

But maybe we should. Here's the pic:

Spoiler:

Anyone notice something to the far right there? Here's a terrible close up:

What are those? Could they be the new Deffkopta, coming with a new Ork Codex? That yellow one is very "studio army yellow" IMO. What about the walky thing to the left of them?

Now, the Guard force in the battle report is a highly converted army, so this may well be a converted Ork army as well, but consider for a moment that it might not be.

Are those real?

I really hope fthese are deffkoptas... The thing on the left looks like a new walker- maybe a GW version of big FW dredds?. I just hope these are not transformer koptas/walkers

I wonder if there`s anything on the foreground obscured by all the boys.

GW is a model company.

Since the release of 8th edition, how many xenos models have been released, and how many xenos models have been shown in previews?

-Necron Cryptek on canoptek surfboard

Since the release of 8th edition, how many imperial models have been released, and how many imperial models have been shown in previews?

-Adeptus Custodes, entirely new codex
-Primaris Marines, entirely new model range
-2 new imperial knight superheavy-sized kits
-Blood angels special primaris character
-Dark Angels special primaris character
-Inquisitor Eisenhorn, special Inquisition character
-Sly Marbo, special guard character
-Necromunda, entirely new model range in its own separate game about imperial gang members

Just so the record is straight here. Even if we don't count Necromunda, we've seen two entirely new imperial model ranges - one pretty much a new army (primaris) one a mini-faction (Custodes). On the Xenos front, we've got all but 2 xenos codexes announced and one single model released or announced for any of them.

 Irbis wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Nothing but Imperial releases as usual. Sad.

I like how this complaint repeats over and over ITT despite being patently false. Well, unless Deepkin, Harlequins, 2 new Shadespire bands, AoS card game, hint of new Death army, and whatever that purple pokemon skull is, are Imperial now for some reason

In fact, subtracting Sister news (as it's a year away, unlike all other stuff presented here) this news wave was 90% non-Imperial, which pretty much shows above complain will show up regardless (or rather, even when it's really not) of it being in any way warranted...

It's almost as if I was obviously referring to a whole different game system or something.

If you're seriously going to use "b-b-but there was Age of Sigmar stuff!" into an argument about there being far too many Imperial releases, then I'd say you're really stretching for a defence.

The original Last Stand at Glazer's Creek was one of my favorite printed battle reports, outlining that kind of narrative scenario that was still the norm back in Rogue Trader and slowly took the backseat to tournament-style formalized play. I hope the sequel does it justice and isn't just a straight-up 1850 per side affair.

the_scotsman wrote:
GW is a model company.

Since the release of 8th edition, how many xenos models have been released, and how many xenos models have been shown in previews?

-Necron Cryptek on canoptek surfboard

Since the release of 8th edition, how many imperial models have been released, and how many imperial models have been shown in previews?

-Adeptus Custodes, entirely new codex
-Primaris Marines, entirely new model range
-2 new imperial knight superheavy-sized kits
-Blood angels special primaris character
-Dark Angels special primaris character
-Inquisitor Eisenhorn, special Inquisition character
-Sly Marbo, special guard character
-Necromunda, entirely new model range in its own separate game about imperial gang members

Just so the record is straight here. Even if we don't count Necromunda, we've seen two entirely new imperial model ranges - one pretty much a new army (primaris) one a mini-faction (Custodes). On the Xenos front, we've got all but 2 xenos codexes announced and one single model released or announced for any of them.

This 10000%. I forgot about Eisenbro. Good catch. It looks even worse when you add the Chaos releases.

Xenos might as well not be in the game at the moment, the focus of GW is clearly elsewhere.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Nothing but Imperial releases as usual. Sad.

I like how this complaint repeats over and over ITT despite being patently false.

It's almost as if I was obviously referring to a whole different game system or something.

Harlequins aren't Age of Sigmar.

the_scotsman wrote:
-Necromunda, entirely new model range in its own separate game about imperial gang members

Imperial gang members? You're reaching. Poorly.

They don't need to reach, they're correct. It has been nada for Xenos interests for quite some time.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Nothing but Imperial releases as usual. Sad.

I like how this complaint repeats over and over ITT despite being patently false. Well, unless Deepkin, Harlequins, 2 new Shadespire bands, AoS card game, hint of new Death army, and whatever that purple pokemon skull is, are Imperial now for some reason

In fact, subtracting Sister news (as it's a year away, unlike all other stuff presented here) this news wave was 90% non-Imperial, which pretty much shows above complain will show up regardless (or rather, even when it's really not) of it being in any way warranted...

It's almost as if I was obviously referring to a whole different game system or something.

If you're seriously going to use "b-b-but there was Age of Sigmar stuff!" into an argument about there being far too many Imperial releases, then I'd say you're really stretching for a defence.

Aaaaaah. I have clearly been out of loop of 40k fluff too much. When harlequins became imperial faction? Last I knew they were eldar.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
-Necromunda, entirely new model range in its own separate game about imperial gang members

Imperial gang members? You're reaching. Poorly.

Given Eisenhorn is a tie-in to the Black Library anniversary, I'd say he is a stretch, too.

 Melissia wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Nothing but Imperial releases as usual. Sad.

I like how this complaint repeats over and over ITT despite being patently false.

It's almost as if I was obviously referring to a whole different game system or something.

Harlequins aren't Age of Sigmar.

One codex update we knew was coming. Incredible. Funnily enough, it's also paired alongside two Imperial codexes.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Nothing but Imperial releases as usual. Sad.

I like how this complaint repeats over and over ITT despite being patently false.

It's almost as if I was obviously referring to a whole different game system or something.

Harlequins aren't Age of Sigmar.

One codex update we knew was coming. Incredible. Funnily enough, it's also paired alongside two Imperial codexes.

Moving the goalposts, I see.

You said, and I quote, "nothing but Imperial releases as usual", when there was provably more than Imperial releases; you're posting ridiculous hyperbole. Hell, I'd even agree too damn many space marine releases this edition, both imperial or otherwise. But there ARE xenos releases every now and then at least.

I'm going to retype the first line of my post again.

GW is a model company.

We have seen one Xenos MODEL released or previewed along with almost all the Xenos CODEX BOOKS. Nobody is claiming that Xenos are not getting CODEX BOOKS, they are claiming they are getting no MODELS, which is patently true.

And just for HBMC, I'll retype another line:

Even if we don't count Necromunda,

despite the fact that the Necromunda models are imperial, human citizens, using imperial weapons (lasguns, powerfists, plasma pistols, stubbers etc), I'll even not count them. Here's the list again, with no Necromunda.

-Adeptus Custodes, entirely new codex
-Primaris Marines, entirely new model range
-2 new imperial knight superheavy-sized kits
-Blood angels special primaris character
-Dark Angels special primaris character
-Inquisitor Eisenhorn, special Inquisition character
-Sly Marbo, special guard character

Here, again for reference, is the "list" of xenos models we have seen since the release of 8th:

-Plastic Necron Cryptek model

If we were even seeing cute one-off plastic clampack characters again like we used to see with the 7th ed codexes, I wouldn't be particularly annoyed, but now we're only seeing them for imperial releases and not for xenos. Given that the preview included "LOOK at this GREAT PURPLE SPIKEY MAGIC BALL, OOOOOOOOOOOOH" I'm guessing we're not getting a character clampack for DE or Harlequins.

I'm to the point where I'm looking at every single release and wondering whether there's something I could do with them to add to my xenos armies. Could I turn Goliaths into Digganobz? Could these fish elves work as a substitute for any of the crappy dark eldar Finecast kits? Daughters of Khaine are kind of like wyches, and they also wear masks, Harlequins wear masks, hmm...

8th isn't even 1 year old and GW has stated from the beginning that it will focus on Imperium vs Chaos at first. And that's exactly what we got so far.
Damn this new GW that gives us an outlook from the beginning and then stick to it.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
The original Last Stand at Glazer's Creek was one of my favorite printed battle reports, outlining that kind of narrative scenario that was still the norm back in Rogue Trader and slowly took the backseat to tournament-style formalized play. I hope the sequel does it justice and isn't just a straight-up 1850 per side affair.

It wasn't a Rogue Trader battle report as far as I can tell. It was either very late 2nd or early 3rd edition as seen HERE in an old thread.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
8th isn't even 1 year old and GW has stated from the beginning that it will focus on Imperium vs Chaos at first. And that's exactly what we got so far.
Damn this new GW that gives us an outlook from the beginning and then stick to it.

So if I tell you I'm going to come over and punch you in the face, and then I follow through and do it, do you forfeit any right to be annoyed about that because I told you beforehand?

 Ghaz wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
The original Last Stand at Glazer's Creek was one of my favorite printed battle reports, outlining that kind of narrative scenario that was still the norm back in Rogue Trader and slowly took the backseat to tournament-style formalized play. I hope the sequel does it justice and isn't just a straight-up 1850 per side affair.

It wasn't a Rogue Trader battle report as far as I can tell. It was either very late 2nd or early 3rd edition as seen HERE in an old thread.

Late 2nd You can tell by the 40k font on the article.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Late 2nd You can tell by the 40k font on the article.

Tis indeed. White Dwarf 226 saw the release of 3rd edition.

I miss Pretorian's... (Hint hint GW made to order!)

They really shouldn’t remake all those space marines, they don’t sell and fund the development of all those other factions . It also takes so long to copy paste the basic forms in CAD and adjust them just a bit to make a blood angel from a basic marine file , after all it’s so much easier to come up with and design new units and fluff for factions which sell like hot cakes. Just think off all the factions a newtyranid creature could ally with that everyone would buy 3+ of the sets just to expand their army. They should read the rules and history of 40K, there’s billions of Eldar running around, the imperium just keeps tripping over Exarchs while fetching the Emperor his coffee.

I tried to use as much hyperbole as the last page, but it just isn’t possible.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
8th isn't even 1 year old and GW has stated from the beginning that it will focus on Imperium vs Chaos at first. And that's exactly what we got so far.
Damn this new GW that gives us an outlook from the beginning and then stick to it.

They haven't just "focused". Excluding a single, Necron Cryptek model there has not been a SINGLE NEW MODEL FOR ANY XENO ARMY.

That isn't focus, it's exclusion.

You'll also note that every single preview of any model from Adepticon was also Imperium. Running until 2019 with the plastic Sisters release. So we have nothing new to look forward to until after that? Woop de fething do.

I guess my money's going to other things, I won't be forced into buying new Imperial models to convert to an army they should have released.

GW did this earlier in the year with the Custardes release that left a very sour taste in some players' mouths. They've repeated the same, stupid mistake and ultimately it will hurt the hobby as people will leave or stop playing.

I'm just a bit miffed that there doesn't seem to be any Adeptus Titanicus news.... again. :-(

 Theophony wrote:
They really shouldn’t remake all those space marines, they don’t sell and fund the development of all those other factions . It also takes so long to copy paste the basic forms in CAD and adjust them just a bit to make a blood angel from a basic marine file , after all it’s so much easier to come up with and design new units and fluff for factions which sell like hot cakes. Just think off all the factions a newtyranid creature could ally with that everyone would buy 3+ of the sets just to expand their army. They should read the rules and history of 40K, there’s billions of Eldar running around, the imperium just keeps tripping over Exarchs while fetching the Emperor his coffee.

I tried to use as much hyperbole as the last page, but it just isn’t possible.

Are we doing the chicken-not-the-egg argument of "your faction has less model support because you have fewer players, the fewer players has nothing to do with the lack of model support" in a thread where GW announced plastic sisters with a video highlighting the massive desire for those models?

Because I'm certain you're not saying that the new adeptus custodes, inquisitor eisenhorn, sly marbo and two new freaking superheavies are basic work-of-a-day CAD swaps, that'd be silly as all get out. And I'm also pretty sure you're not arguing that there were more pre-existing imperial knight, adeptus custodes and catachan model collectors than there were people collecting Eldar, Tau and Tyranids, that'd be a bit of a wild claim as well.

I was about to type up a response, but then refreshed and saw [b]the_scotsman[b] already said what I was about to say.

Supply and demand are not independent.

the_scotsman wrote:
I'm going to retype the first line of my post again.

GW is a model company.

We have seen one Xenos MODEL released or previewed along with almost all the Xenos CODEX BOOKS. Nobody is claiming that Xenos are not getting CODEX BOOKS, they are claiming they are getting no MODELS, which is patently true.

And just for HBMC, I'll retype another line:

Even if we don't count Necromunda,

despite the fact that the Necromunda models are imperial, human citizens, using imperial weapons (lasguns, powerfists, plasma pistols, stubbers etc), I'll even not count them. Here's the list again, with no Necromunda.

-Adeptus Custodes, entirely new codex
-Primaris Marines, entirely new model range
-2 new imperial knight superheavy-sized kits
-Blood angels special primaris character
-Dark Angels special primaris character
-Inquisitor Eisenhorn, special Inquisition character
-Sly Marbo, special guard character

Here, again for reference, is the "list" of xenos models we have seen since the release of 8th:

-Plastic Necron Cryptek model

If we were even seeing cute one-off plastic clampack characters again like we used to see with the 7th ed codexes, I wouldn't be particularly annoyed, but now we're only seeing them for imperial releases and not for xenos. Given that the preview included "LOOK at this GREAT PURPLE SPIKEY MAGIC BALL, OOOOOOOOOOOOH" I'm guessing we're not getting a character clampack for DE or Harlequins.

I'm to the point where I'm looking at every single release and wondering whether there's something I could do with them to add to my xenos armies. Could I turn Goliaths into Digganobz? Could these fish elves work as a substitute for any of the crappy dark eldar Finecast kits? Daughters of Khaine are kind of like wyches, and they also wear masks, Harlequins wear masks, hmm...

I'm feeling the same as you. I've been patiently waiting for new model kits to come out for my armies... pretty much all of which are Xenos. The Cryptek is nice, but isn't exactly a new model. It's just a plastic version of an existing unit with an extra piece of war gear. At a certain point, I'm going to stop waiting for new content and just stop playing 40k. I think I might already be at that point. Star Wars Legion launches today. If the game is as good as it looks, it's going to take a lot to pull me back into 40k. "Forcing" me to buy a $40-50 rule book (new Codex) with a few updated rules and some extra bling (relics/strategems/warlord traits) so that I can keep playing the army I already own isn't going to do the trick. I want new units like the Imperial and Chaos peeps have been getting.

Xenos has had 1 new model announced since 8th released and it's not even a new unit. Imperial/Chaos have had dozens, most of which were new units. Realistically speaking, does anyone think we'll see an actual new unit for T'au Empire in 2018? Will we see an actual new unit for Necrons? Will we see an actual new unit for any flavor of Eldar? Tyranids? Etc, etc?

This has been said many times, but I think the current release schedule reinforces it. GW is pretty good at cranking out new content. They're pretty bad at supporting existing factions with new model content in any sort of timely fashion. It's not uncommon for a faction to go YEARS in between new model releases.

Only a few years is hardly much to wait. Sisters are, until GW completes these minis they've announced intent for late 2019, still using miniatures from 2nd edition.

 Melissia wrote:
Only a few years is hardly much to wait. Sisters are, until GW completes these minis they've announced intent for late 2019, still using miniatures from 2nd edition.

A few years is too much too wait. Waiting since 2nd Edition is also too much to wait. Saying that Sisters players have it worse doesn't mean that other faction players don't also have it bad.

GW is just terrible at supporting existing factions on a regular basis. You either come to terms with only getting to buy new kits every few years (at best) or come to terms with being expected to buy multiple armies. With the allies rules being mostly removed from the game for Xenos players, buying an off faction kit here and there and allying it in while waiting for your next in faction release is no longer an option.

I'd much rather see one new unit for each of 10 factions over a 3 month period than 10 units for a single existing or worse, new faction.

That's a fair response, I suppose.

 Kriswall wrote:
A few years is too much too wait. Waiting since 2nd Edition is also too much to wait. Saying that Sisters players have it worse doesn't mean that other faction players don't also have it bad.

I'd much rather see one new unit for each of 10 factions over a 3 month period than 10 units for a single existing or worse, new faction.

So much this.

Perhaps we get new Ork models in the summer, them and Ynarri are pretty much the last xeno hope right? I can't see GSC getting anything given most of their line is brand new. Nothing was mentioned for Harlies either.

The problem here is twofold -
1. If there aren't going to be any new xeno models (apart from the single Cryptek) this year, GW have ostracised a massive part of their community and they will, undoubtedly, lose players.
2. If there are new xeno models due to come out soon (ish), why are they talking about only Imperial releases?! The community team, yet again, have read the room completely wrong. Sure, Sister's players will be bouncing off the walls, but I'd wager there's a lot more xeno players and I'd also wager a lot of us are becoming increasingly fatigued or even irritated at the seemingly constant Imperium/Chaos releases. It's real bad marketing, again.

The 40k community always amazes me with the amount of constant negativity that surrounds even the most exciting announcements.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
8th isn't even 1 year old and GW has stated from the beginning that it will focus on Imperium vs Chaos at first. And that's exactly what we got so far.
Damn this new GW that gives us an outlook from the beginning and then stick to it.

So if I tell you I'm going to come over and punch you in the face, and then I follow through and do it, do you forfeit any right to be annoyed about that because I told you beforehand?

Man, what a fantastic comparison.


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Hanskrampf wrote:
8th isn't even 1 year old and GW has stated from the beginning that it will focus on Imperium vs Chaos at first. And that's exactly what we got so far.
Damn this new GW that gives us an outlook from the beginning and then stick to it.

They haven't just "focused". Excluding a single, Necron Cryptek model there has not been a SINGLE NEW MODEL FOR ANY XENO ARMY.

That isn't focus, it's exclusion.

You'll also note that every single preview of any model from Adepticon was also Imperium. Running until 2019 with the plastic Sisters release. So we have nothing new to look forward to until after that? Woop de fething do.

I guess my money's going to other things, I won't be forced into buying new Imperial models to convert to an army they should have released.

GW did this earlier in the year with the Custardes release that left a very sour taste in some players' mouths. They've repeated the same, stupid mistake and ultimately it will hurt the hobby as people will leave or stop playing.

Given the releases of 2017, I'm sure GW will release more than 2 AoS armies and some knights in 2018.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
A few years is too much too wait. Waiting since 2nd Edition is also too much to wait. Saying that Sisters players have it worse doesn't mean that other faction players don't also have it bad.

I'd much rather see one new unit for each of 10 factions over a 3 month period than 10 units for a single existing or worse, new faction.

So much this.

Perhaps we get new Ork models in the summer, them and Ynarri are pretty much the last xeno hope right? I can't see GSC getting anything given most of their line is brand new. Nothing was mentioned for Harlies either.

The problem here is twofold -
1. If there aren't going to be any new xeno models (apart from the single Cryptek) this year, GW have ostracised a massive part of their community and they will, undoubtedly, lose players.
2. If there are new xeno models due to come out soon (ish), why are they talking about only Imperial releases?! The community team, yet again, have read the room completely wrong. Sure, Sister's players will be bouncing off the walls, but I'd wager there's a lot more xeno players and I'd also wager a lot of us are becoming increasingly fatigued or even irritated at the seemingly constant Imperium/Chaos releases. It's real bad marketing, again.

The only Xenos rumor I've seen is that Orks might get some new models when their Codex releases. Other than that, I haven't heard anything.

 Hanskrampf wrote:
Given the releases of 2017, I'm sure GW will release more than 2 AoS armies and some knights in 2018.

Agreed, but we have nothing to say otherwise at this moment in time. This would've been the perfect opportunity to mention new xenos models and they fluffed it.

 Kriswall wrote:
The only Xenos rumor I've seen is that Orks might get some new models when their Codex releases. Other than that, I haven't heard anything.

Same, but this sort of thing should be driven by GW, it's time they threw the Xenos players a bone.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:
A few years is too much too wait. Waiting since 2nd Edition is also too much to wait. Saying that Sisters players have it worse doesn't mean that other faction players don't also have it bad.

I'd much rather see one new unit for each of 10 factions over a 3 month period than 10 units for a single existing or worse, new faction.

So much this.

Perhaps we get new Ork models in the summer, them and Ynarri are pretty much the last xeno hope right? I can't see GSC getting anything given most of their line is brand new. Nothing was mentioned for Harlies either.

The problem here is twofold -
1. If there aren't going to be any new xeno models (apart from the single Cryptek) this year, GW have ostracised a massive part of their community and they will, undoubtedly, lose players.
2. If there are new xeno models due to come out soon (ish), why are they talking about only Imperial releases?! The community team, yet again, have read the room completely wrong. Sure, Sister's players will be bouncing off the walls, but I'd wager there's a lot more xeno players and I'd also wager a lot of us are becoming increasingly fatigued or even irritated at the seemingly constant Imperium/Chaos releases. It's real bad marketing, again.

If you're upset, tell them directly. They have a feedback e-mail for a reason. Use that emotion for something productive. I say this as someone who plays almost exclusively xenos (with AdMech being the exception).

Orks are definitely getting some new stuff and there is one rumour engine pic that is clearly Eldar. A completely new xenos faction is badly needed at this point in order to balance the range and the release schedule.

I think it's a safe bet Orks and perhaps Space Wolves will get something - being the last codices. Once the codices are wrapped up GW will probably make headway on the next trilogy of story-driving books. They could start with those two codices as a launching point.

Duardin wrote:
The 40k community always amazes me with the amount of constant negativity that surrounds even the most exciting announcements.

Why would I be excited about plastic sisters? It's not an army I collect.

I have tau, necrons, eldar, tyranids on the xenos front.

Imperial Fists. (Not a fan of the Primaris).

Death Guard. (Mostly built when Traitor Legions dropped, so haven't bought any Plague Marines - I'd scratch-built from MkIII only six months before 8th dropped).

I have a single Knight which I am converting to be all Nurgley.

Still no plastic Aspect Warriors, Biovores, Heavy Destroyers, Flayed Ones. The monolith really needs an update. I can't get AC Razorbacks unless I want to pay silly money.
CSM line is still awful.

There's a lot of holes in their basic miniature line and I think they should be plugging them, not making new expensive stompy knights.

And where's my Adeptus Titanicus, dang you!


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Chikout wrote:
Orks are definitely getting some new stuff and there is one rumour engine pic that is clearly Eldar. A completely new xenos faction is badly needed at this point in order to balance the range and the release schedule.

No.

A million times no.

We don't need new factions, we need complete model ranges for existing ones.

They need to finish the basic lines first!

Then they can de-squat the squats

zerosignal wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Orks are definitely getting some new stuff and there is one rumour engine pic that is clearly Eldar. A completely new xenos faction is badly needed at this point in order to balance the range and the release schedule.

No.

A million times no.

We don't need new factions, we need complete model ranges for existing ones.

They need to finish the basic lines first!

Then they can de-squat the squats

Agreed. Stop making new factions and start updating/completing the existing factions. Also, which rumor engine pic is clearly Eldar? I thought that most of the "this is probably Eldar" pics just turned out to be Idoneth Deepkin.

zerosignal wrote:
Then they can de-squat the squats

Please oh please!

 Kriswall wrote:
Also, which rumor engine pic is clearly Eldar? I thought that most of the "this is probably Eldar" pics just turned out to be Idoneth Deepkin.

Also, it's SUPER heavily rumored that the Orks will get a nice big release, from what I recall from that guy who's been right about everything else he said so far.

I suspect Orks will begin the swing of the Pendulum in favor of more Xenos releases, though the holidays will probably be dominated by Slaneesh.

Considering Space Marines don't even have a full plastic line of non-special characters (close, but not quite, kind of like Tau), lets calm down with the mind losing here.

Peoples negativity really confuses me.
They just announced so much new stuff. Seriously more in this one announcement than would be a whole years worth of releases with old GW a few years ago. So what if its not something you are interested in, other people are, and the new stuff will benefit you because you will be playing against them.
Also, are you people even hearing yourselves? They release like a codex a month. Sometimes with new models and sometimes without. How is this a bad thing? there is still a half a year left, and almost all the imperial factions are done. Also didn't we just get 3 xenos codes in a row? And a new box set with no marines? How is that only focusing on imperial armies? 4 out of the last 6 are xenos.
Who cares if there are no new models. GW doesn't owe you anything. Be happy with the models you have? There is no need for updated models, only a want for them. We are so spoiled in this hobby and we don't even know it. We are in a golden age right now.
The negativity and selfishness of this community is off the charts.

Anyways, I am excited for the new stuff! I have a knight, so I might pick up the new big guy someday. Sisters never really interested me, but if the models look good than who knows, I might start some. The fishmen are cool looking, AOS has some awesome stuff nowadays. List builder app finally! Ive been interested in both shadespire and silver tower, so I am interested to see where those go. I hope the Hari codex lets you take some more units from the eldar/dark eldar without having ally. It prolly wont tho.

Sisters of battle for freaks sake!

Did anyone get shots of the Dropfleet destroyers?

I loved the plastic ships so far and definitely want more

battlelurker wrote:
Peoples negativity really confuses me.
They just announced so much new stuff. Seriously more in this one announcement than would be a whole years worth of releases with old GW a few years ago. So what if its not something you are interested in, other people are, and the new stuff will benefit you because you will be playing against them.
Also, are you people even hearing yourselves? They release like a codex a month. Sometimes with new models and sometimes without. How is this a bad thing? there is still a half a year left, and almost all the imperial factions are done. Also didn't we just get 3 xenos codes in a row? And a new box set with no marines? How is that only focusing on imperial armies? 4 out of the last 6 are xenos.
Who cares if there are no new models. GW doesn't owe you anything. Be happy with the models you have? There is no need for updated models, only a want for them. We are so spoiled in this hobby and we don't even know it. We are in a golden age right now.
The negativity and selfishness of this community is off the charts.

Anyways, I am excited for the new stuff! I have a knight, so I might pick up the new big guy someday. Sisters never really interested me, but if the models look good than who knows, I might start some. The fishmen are cool looking, AOS has some awesome stuff nowadays. List builder app finally! Ive been interested in both shadespire and silver tower, so I am interested to see where those go. I hope the Hari codex lets you take some more units from the eldar/dark eldar without having ally. It prolly wont tho.

Sisters of battle for freaks sake!

'GW doesn't owe you anything'

Good luck running a business with that mentality.

battlelurker wrote:
Peoples negativity really confuses me. To be clear, my stance here is simply "I am disappointed that no models are being released for the very large fraction of the armies in the game that I play". That's it.
They just announced so much new stuff. Seriously more in this one announcement than would be a whole years worth of releases with old GW a few years ago. No, GW is releasing about the same number of kits, they're just publicizing them much, much better. The stuff announced for 2018 is not equivalent to a whole year's worth of releases, even from "old gw". So what if its not something you are interested in, other people are, "You should not be disappointed that no models are being released for your armies, because GW has not stopped producing models altogether". and the new stuff will benefit you because you will be playing against them.
Also, are you people even hearing yourselves? They release like a codex a month. Sometimes with new models and sometimes without. With, when the faction is an imperial or chaos faction. Without, when it is a xenos faction. How is this a bad thing? It isn't. there is still a half a year left, and almost all the imperial factions are done. Also didn't we just get 3 xenos codes in a row? No, we didn't? Before Tau we got Thousand Sons and Adeptus Custodes. And a new box set with no marines? How is that only focusing on imperial armies? You know that Imperial refers to more armies than Space Marines right? I'll give you a hint: One of the factions in that box, and the reason the box was released, is called "IMPERIAL knights". 4 out of the last 6 are xenos. 4 out of the last 6 codexes waiting for release being xenos does not do much do disprove the argument that GW is giving the xenos armies the short end of the stick and prioritizing armies with much smaller playerbases that are imperial and chaos.
Who cares if there are no new models. I do? GW doesn't owe you anything. They're a model company, they owe me models if they want my money. Be happy with the models you have? I am. But I can't exactly paint them again. There is no need for updated models, only a want for them. Unless the model company wants to make money. We are so spoiled in this hobby and we don't even know it. The consumers that want to spend hundreds of dollars on plastic toy soldiers are so spoiled. We are in a golden age right now.
The negativity and selfishness of this community is off the charts. There can be good and bad aspects about a company simultaneously. I am not required to either hate every decision they make or worship at their feet. I like the work their rules team is doing to get every faction rules, cool subfaction customization, and attempts to apply retroactive balance to armies. I like the work their miniature design team is doing on Age of Sigmar, every new faction tempts me more and more to get into a game that never interested me. The prioritization of their miniature design team for 40k puts me to sleep with the endless parade of imperial armies and minis. That is a combination of opinions that I am allowed to hold.

Anyways, I am excited for the new stuff! I have a knight, so I might pick up the new big guy someday. Sisters never really interested me, but if the models look good than who knows, I might start some. The fishmen are cool looking, AOS has some awesome stuff nowadays. List builder app finally! Ive been interested in both shadespire and silver tower, so I am interested to see where those go. I hope the Hari codex lets you take some more units from the eldar/dark eldar without having ally. It prolly wont tho.

Sisters of battle for freaks sake!

the_scotsman wrote:

battlelurker wrote:
Peoples negativity really confuses me. To be clear, my stance here is simply "I am disappointed that no models are being released for the very large fraction of the armies in the game that I play". That's it.
They just announced so much new stuff. Seriously more in this one announcement than would be a whole years worth of releases with old GW a few years ago. No, GW is releasing about the same number of kits, they're just publicizing them much, much better. The stuff announced for 2018 is not equivalent to a whole year's worth of releases, even from "old gw". So what if its not something you are interested in, other people are, "You should not be disappointed that no models are being released for your armies, because GW has not stopped producing models altogether". and the new stuff will benefit you because you will be playing against them.
Also, are you people even hearing yourselves? They release like a codex a month. Sometimes with new models and sometimes without. With, when the faction is an imperial or chaos faction. Without, when it is a xenos faction. How is this a bad thing? It isn't. there is still a half a year left, and almost all the imperial factions are done. Also didn't we just get 3 xenos codes in a row? No, we didn't? Before Tau we got Thousand Sons and Adeptus Custodes. And a new box set with no marines? How is that only focusing on imperial armies? You know that Imperial refers to more armies than Space Marines right? I'll give you a hint: One of the factions in that box, and the reason the box was released, is called "IMPERIAL knights". 4 out of the last 6 are xenos. 4 out of the last 6 codexes waiting for release being xenos does not do much do disprove the argument that GW is giving the xenos armies the short end of the stick and prioritizing armies with much smaller playerbases that are imperial and chaos.
Who cares if there are no new models. I do? GW doesn't owe you anything. They're a model company, they owe me models if they want my money. Be happy with the models you have? I am. But I can't exactly paint them again. There is no need for updated models, only a want for them. Unless the model company wants to make money. We are so spoiled in this hobby and we don't even know it. The consumers that want to spend hundreds of dollars on plastic toy soldiers are so spoiled. We are in a golden age right now.
The negativity and selfishness of this community is off the charts. There can be good and bad aspects about a company simultaneously. I am not required to either hate every decision they make or worship at their feet. I like the work their rules team is doing to get every faction rules, cool subfaction customization, and attempts to apply retroactive balance to armies. I like the work their miniature design team is doing on Age of Sigmar, every new faction tempts me more and more to get into a game that never interested me. The prioritization of their miniature design team for 40k puts me to sleep with the endless parade of imperial armies and minis. That is a combination of opinions that I am allowed to hold.

Anyways, I am excited for the new stuff! I have a knight, so I might pick up the new big guy someday. Sisters never really interested me, but if the models look good than who knows, I might start some. The fishmen are cool looking, AOS has some awesome stuff nowadays. List builder app finally! Ive been interested in both shadespire and silver tower, so I am interested to see where those go. I hope the Hari codex lets you take some more units from the eldar/dark eldar without having ally. It prolly wont tho.

Sisters of battle for freaks sake!

Nice, a wall of red text, good job

battlelurker wrote:
Peoples negativity really confuses me.
They just announced so much new stuff. Seriously more in this one announcement than would be a whole years worth of releases with old GW a few years ago. So what if its not something you are interested in, other people are, and the new stuff will benefit you because you will be playing against them.
Also, are you people even hearing yourselves? They release like a codex a month. Sometimes with new models and sometimes without. How is this a bad thing? there is still a half a year left, and almost all the imperial factions are done. Also didn't we just get 3 xenos codes in a row? And a new box set with no marines? How is that only focusing on imperial armies? 4 out of the last 6 are xenos.
Who cares if there are no new models. GW doesn't owe you anything. Be happy with the models you have? There is no need for updated models, only a want for them. We are so spoiled in this hobby and we don't even know it. We are in a golden age right now.
The negativity and selfishness of this community is off the charts.

Anyways, I am excited for the new stuff! I have a knight, so I might pick up the new big guy someday. Sisters never really interested me, but if the models look good than who knows, I might start some. The fishmen are cool looking, AOS has some awesome stuff nowadays. List builder app finally! Ive been interested in both shadespire and silver tower, so I am interested to see where those go. I hope the Hari codex lets you take some more units from the eldar/dark eldar without having ally. It prolly wont tho.

Sisters of battle for freaks sake!

"We are so spoiled in this hobby and we don't even know it. "

Jesus H Christ. Really?

Yeah, we're really spoilt for spending thousands on overpriced plastic.

I know 8th really empowered the Games Workshop Defence Force but now it's getting silly.

Realistically, outside of enthusiasm and celebration, the announcement of plastic Sisters was going to generate two reactions.

1) Some Sisters players would contrive to make it bad news.
2) Other faction players would complain that it wasn't them.

I love all the anounces, but how can we be spoiled? I pay for everything I want, and I assume other people do the same. Gw dont give us miniatures for free (but the free listbuilding app is very nice(

 Azreal13 wrote:
Realistically, outside of enthusiasm and celebration, the announcement of plastic Sisters was going to generate two reactions.

1) Some Sisters players would contrive to make it bad news.
2) Other faction players would complain that it wasn't them.

I'm genuinely happy we're getting Sisters. I don't play them, I likely won't play them, but I know a suite a players who do and even some who've been waiting on the sidelines for them before even getting involved in the hobby.

My gripe is that the only other announcement was yet another Imperial release (Knight). I don't classify 'oh hey we're getting updated codexes you knew were coming' as much of an announcement. This would be better if Adeptus Custardes and another (imperial) Knight chasis weren't what we got last time.

This all being after GW touted 2018 as the 'Year of the Xenos'.

Nevertheless, whenever anything gets updated, inevitably people who don't play that faction will pop up to have a moan that it wasn't their faction that got updated, irrespective of how justified, or not, that moan may be.

It's a Dakka inevitability. A Dakkitability if you will.

Not gonna argue with people, but You choose to spend your money on their plastic. GW doesn't force you to. You pay what you are willing to pay.
And no, they don't owe you anything. Its called a business. If they want to make money they will make what they think people will buy. You don't get to tell them what they can and cant make. Its up to them to make the decision based on buying habits, you can influence that with what you buy. If they don't sell anything you want, don't spend your money on it? Its not that hard.
And for what its worth, I have barely played any games in 8th. Ive been playing and collecting since second edition though. I just made a account on here recently to buy something.

Also you don't agree that this is the best time to be in the miniature war gaming hobby? I would argue its better than its ever been before. Thats what I mean by spoiled. Obviously the plastic is way too expensive

Of course there are going to be models that you have no interest in and wont buy. And of course you'd be disappointed that your favorite army hasn't been updated. I will probably not buy anything they just announced, maybe the knight, haven't decided. I'm disappointed that my favorite armies didn't get anything, but that doesn't mean I am not happy and excited for the stuff they revealed.
I agree that if GW wants money they will make all the things. But they are a smallish company that has limited resources. They have to prioritize what they think will be best for them and the community as a whole, not for what you, as a individual, wants.

Lastly don't you think our negativity has a bad impact on this community as a whole and on potential new players? How would a new player feel coming on here and seeing all the complaining, crying, and arguing? Bit of a turn off no?
Dont we want as many people in this hobby as possible? We all love the hobby for our own reasons, but we are all in this together and are on the same team.

Ill get off my soap box and will no longer post about this again.
Sorry to derail the thread

the_scotsman wrote:
No, we didn't? Before Tau we got Thousand Sons and Adeptus Custodes.

Not all three are released yet, but the previous wave of announcements confirmed Tau, Necrons, Dark Eldar as the three Codexes to be released. One is out, one is on pre-order, and I imagine the third will be in the next couple of weeks.

 Arbitrator wrote:
This all being after GW touted 2018 as the 'Year of the Xenos'.

I've seen a few people mention this, but is there actually a source where GW claimed 2018 was this Year of the Xenos?

idespair wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Where the feth are my Orks?!

This is a major flop of an announcement for me personally.

The White Dwarf preview on the Warhammer Community page features Orks in a battle report. There's Deffkoptas in the top right corner, along with what looks like a large walker. It's got a similar silhouette to a Knight, but looks like it might have been ork-ified. I don't recognise it, so it might be a hint of something new to come.

Spoiler:

IMO, those are just Black Reach Deffkoptas. They have the same rokkits on the front, a similar profile, and very similar propellers. Unless the plan is to re-release that model as a proper kit (which would be great!), I don't think those are new models.
I don't recognize the walker, though. My official guess will be that it's some kind of looted/converted Dreadknight or Penitent Engine.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Nevertheless, whenever anything gets updated, inevitably people who don't play that faction will pop up to have a moan that it wasn't their faction that got updated, irrespective of how justified, or not, that moan may be.

It's a Dakka inevitability. A Dakkitability if you will.

Interestingly, wait time doesn't appear to be a factor. In days gone by, people (rightfully) complained when they waited years for a new codex. Now, people wait for mere months (8th edition is still less than a year old), and they complain just the same.

battlelurker wrote:
Peoples negativity really confuses me.
They just announced so much new stuff. Seriously more in this one announcement than would be a whole years worth of releases with old GW a few years ago. So what if its not something you are interested in, other people are, and the new stuff will benefit you because you will be playing against them.
Also, are you people even hearing yourselves? They release like a codex a month. Sometimes with new models and sometimes without. How is this a bad thing? there is still a half a year left, and almost all the imperial factions are done. Also didn't we just get 3 xenos codes in a row? And a new box set with no marines? How is that only focusing on imperial armies? 4 out of the last 6 are xenos.
Who cares if there are no new models. GW doesn't owe you anything. Be happy with the models you have? There is no need for updated models, only a want for them. We are so spoiled in this hobby and we don't even know it. We are in a golden age right now.
The negativity and selfishness of this community is off the charts.

Anyways, I am excited for the new stuff! I have a knight, so I might pick up the new big guy someday. Sisters never really interested me, but if the models look good than who knows, I might start some. The fishmen are cool looking, AOS has some awesome stuff nowadays. List builder app finally! Ive been interested in both shadespire and silver tower, so I am interested to see where those go. I hope the Hari codex lets you take some more units from the eldar/dark eldar without having ally. It prolly wont tho.

Sisters of battle for freaks sake!

This is some serious Koolaid right here. GW don't owe us anything, no. If they want me as a consumer to continue paying money for models they need to release models that I'm interested in though. It's pretty simple. I'm not going to spend money on models I don't want. I'm glad you like enough factions that you can get hyped by this news, or that you would start another army based solely off the look of the models. For me, SOB are never going to be of interest. The same goes for most of the model releases this year.

People are upset because there is a massive, staggering discrepancy between which lines get model releases. Those who are only interested in the factions that get few or no releases are right to feel upset at this. The alternative is they walk. I'm sure GW would rather they vent, continue to buy paints and other hobby supplies at least while they wait for new models.

Personally I'm getting sick and tired of all the model releases being Imperium or Chaos. It bores me. GW keep telling me I need to get hyped for this "massive, biggest ever reveal" and I'm over here like "is that IT?" It's deflating and it's happened time and time again. I was more excited for the Gathering Storm. The return of the actual Primarchs is something we've never seen before and for me is/was huge. Plastic Sisters? New Knights? That's nice I suppose if you're into either army. I mean Knights just got a new fething model like 2 weeks ago but whatever.

Index vs Codex is also no fun. No fun at all. Even if you win, it's boring. There is no variety, no nuance, no tactical decisions to be made. My buddies with codexes actually have interesting decisions to make, particularly with regards stratagem usage and I'm over here like "do I take 150 Boyz or 180 Boyz"?

If you can't understand why that is boring, why it might put someone off the hobby then simply imagine yourself to be in the shoes of someone (like me) who has had no new models and his primary army is still without a codex. There's only so long you can feed of the hype of others before it becomes hollow and empty. That time is passed.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
This all being after GW touted 2018 as the 'Year of the Xenos'.

I've seen a few people mention this, but is there actually a source where GW claimed 2018 was this Year of the Xenos?

No, GW never said it. I dunno where it came from originally, but it wasn’t Games Workshop.

Unsquating the Squats would be great - someone should ask GW about this at Adepticon!

 Mysterio wrote:
Unsquating the Squats would be great - someone should ask GW about this at Adepticon!

Here's a thought: if you ask me, Squats are awkward as a faction, in both the fluff and crunch sense. I say, if they want to add Space Dwarfs to 40k, the thing to do would be to flesh out the Demiurg. It's a Xenos race, so the anti-Imperial-release folks are happy: it's an opportunity to try for a more distinct visual style than the generic Imperial auxiliaries that old squats look like, something like they did with Kharadron Overlords: and if they felt skittish about making them a complete standalone faction, they could team them up with T'au like they do in Battlefleet Gothic.

 Jambles wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
Unsquating the Squats would be great - someone should ask GW about this at Adepticon!

Here's a thought: if you ask me, Squats are awkward as a faction, in both the fluff and crunch sense. I say, if they want to add Space Dwarfs to 40k, the thing to do would be to flesh out the Demiurg. It's a Xenos race, so the anti-Imperial-release folks are happy: it's an opportunity to try for a more distinct visual style than the generic Imperial auxiliaries that old squats look like, something like they did with Kharadron Overlords: and if they felt skittish about making them a complete standalone faction, they could team them up with T'au like they do in Battlefleet Gothic.

Squats seem more likely than Demiurg because they can sell the former to Space Marine players as Allies.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Jambles wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
Unsquating the Squats would be great - someone should ask GW about this at Adepticon!

Here's a thought: if you ask me, Squats are awkward as a faction, in both the fluff and crunch sense. I say, if they want to add Space Dwarfs to 40k, the thing to do would be to flesh out the Demiurg. It's a Xenos race, so the anti-Imperial-release folks are happy: it's an opportunity to try for a more distinct visual style than the generic Imperial auxiliaries that old squats look like, something like they did with Kharadron Overlords: and if they felt skittish about making them a complete standalone faction, they could team them up with T'au like they do in Battlefleet Gothic.

Squats seem more likely than Demiurg because they can sell the former to Space Marine players as Allies.

I hate it when the thing you want to hear the least, is also completely true.

You never know: maybe we've finally hit the peak of GW disproportionately focusing the entire game on Space Marines? It's the era of plastic Sisters, anything is possible!

 Azreal13 wrote:
Nevertheless, whenever anything gets updated, inevitably people who don't play that faction will pop up to have a moan that it wasn't their faction that got updated, irrespective of how justified, or not, that moan may be.

It's a Dakka inevitability. A Dakkitability if you will.

I'm sorry, but exalted. Exalted a thousand times.

I think this maybe be relevant for some people on the States. I haven't seen people talk about it.

Warhammer cafe is wanting to sell Forge World as well as have Warhammer World style displays here in the states

I live within around 30-40 minutes of where that will be, so that'll be interesting.

 Jambles wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 Jambles wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
Unsquating the Squats would be great - someone should ask GW about this at Adepticon!

Here's a thought: if you ask me, Squats are awkward as a faction, in both the fluff and crunch sense. I say, if they want to add Space Dwarfs to 40k, the thing to do would be to flesh out the Demiurg. It's a Xenos race, so the anti-Imperial-release folks are happy: it's an opportunity to try for a more distinct visual style than the generic Imperial auxiliaries that old squats look like, something like they did with Kharadron Overlords: and if they felt skittish about making them a complete standalone faction, they could team them up with T'au like they do in Battlefleet Gothic.

Squats seem more likely than Demiurg because they can sell the former to Space Marine players as Allies.

I hate it when the thing you want to hear the least, is also completely true.

You never know: maybe we've finally hit the peak of GW disproportionately focusing the entire game on Space Marines? It's the era of plastic Sisters, anything is possible!

Not after the sales success of Gulliman and Tall!Marines we haven't.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

If you can't understand why that is boring, why it might put someone off the hobby then simply imagine yourself to be in the shoes of someone (like me) who has had no new models and his primary army is still without a codex. There's only so long you can feed of the hype of others before it becomes hollow and empty. That time is passed.

Certainly you understand that this is because Orks don't sell, people are just not interested in them. It makes sense for GW to dedicate their resources to popular lines such as Sisters of Battle, rather than wasting their time on niche stuff like Orks.

 Jambles wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
Unsquating the Squats would be great - someone should ask GW about this at Adepticon!

Here's a thought: if you ask me, Squats are awkward as a faction, in both the fluff and crunch sense. I say, if they want to add Space Dwarfs to 40k, the thing to do would be to flesh out the Demiurg. It's a Xenos race, so the anti-Imperial-release folks are happy: it's an opportunity to try for a more distinct visual style than the generic Imperial auxiliaries that old squats look like, something like they did with Kharadron Overlords: and if they felt skittish about making them a complete standalone faction, they could team them up with T'au like they do in Battlefleet Gothic.

All that would be fine, I suppose, but there is a Squat over in Necromunda land now...

But I do like the whole Demiurg angle, though I'd love it if they could be separate from the T'au too.

the_scotsman wrote:
And just for HBMC, I'll retype another line:

Even if we don't count Necromunda,

Dude, you called them "Imperial" gangs. That's like saying your local book club is essentially part of the National Guard.

 Crimson wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

If you can't understand why that is boring, why it might put someone off the hobby then simply imagine yourself to be in the shoes of someone (like me) who has had no new models and his primary army is still without a codex. There's only so long you can feed of the hype of others before it becomes hollow and empty. That time is passed.

Certainly you understand that this is because Orks don't sell, people are just not interested in them. It makes sense for GW to dedicate their resources to popular lines such as Sisters of Battle, rather than wasting their time on niche stuff like Orks.

Which line is currently in metal again? They even said on stream that Slaanesh Sisters would be "far too niche".

Are you generally trying to claim that there's less Ork players than SOB? Or is this a poor attempt at trolling by some delicate SOB wildflower, offended that anyone dare suggest their army hasn't sold historically? I'm guessing the latter.

Enjoy the wait till 2019 though. Excuse me while I just start priming my PLASTIC Dakkajet along with my PLASTIC Boyz and PLASTIC bikes.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Which line is currently in metal again? They even said on stream that Slaanesh Sisters would be "far too niche".

Are you generally trying to claim that there's less Ork players than SOB? Or is this a poor attempt at trolling by some delicate SOB wildflower, offended that anyone dare suggest their army hasn't sold historically? I'm guessing the latter.

Enjoy the wait till 2019 though. Excuse me while I just start priming my PLASTIC Dakkajet along with my PLASTIC Boyz and PLASTIC bikes.

See, you're obviously fine and don't need any new models! Enjoy your dakkajets!

Guys how can you be so puerile?

 Crimson wrote:
See, you're obviously fine and don't need any new models! Enjoy your dakkajets!

Thanks bro, obviously what we need is more Imperium stuff. How silly of me.

Does FW have anything exclusive or pre-release? Particularly on the Necromunda side of things -

 Crimson wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

If you can't understand why that is boring, why it might put someone off the hobby then simply imagine yourself to be in the shoes of someone (like me) who has had no new models and his primary army is still without a codex. There's only so long you can feed of the hype of others before it becomes hollow and empty. That time is passed.

Certainly you understand that this is because Orks don't sell, people are just not interested in them. It makes sense for GW to dedicate their resources to popular lines such as Sisters of Battle, rather than wasting their time on niche stuff like Orks.

Need some sources - also, GW is finally doing plastic Sisters because A) They're bringing out every minor faction they can right now, to increase sales of books and models [thanks soup!]; and B) GW needs more boobs in 40k - more of a female presence, in todays day and age [again, another source of income].

It has nothing to do with them being popular - if it was, the Sisters army would have released ages ago.

Also, I'm an Ork player - I WANT to buy new models, but considering that Orks are currently terrible, and all their units are garbage (minus one specific build that spams one specific unit) - statistically, they're worse than every other factions entries, and way overpriced. I'll wait until I see the codex release before I jump back onboard whole hog - based on GW's current offerings of rulesets (8th core) and clear Imperial bias in codecii (strength and number), I'm really not sold that they'll do the Orks justice, which means I'm just wasting money. Hell, they don't even have 4000 points of Orks painted, one of the oldest and most iconic armies.

Orks are popular - you just don't see them much because their rule sets have sucked (3rd was their best edition, and that's ages ago).

And honestly? I'm TIRED of EVERY release being Imperial models. Every. Single. One. Remember when they announced that Xenos would finally get three codecii in a row (after a year of different colored Space Marines and imperial modes), that in that SAME announcement, they had to ALSO show off the "new knights" imperials would be getting? Couldn't have saved that for a seperate announcement, even ONE day later?

Fething let Xenos have ONE announcement where there's NO imperial presence. Just one, it's all I ask. One.

fe40k wrote:
And honestly? I'm TIRED of EVERY release being Imperial models. Every. Single. One. Remember when they announced that Xenos would finally get three codecii in a row (after a year of different colored Space Marines and imperial modes), that in that SAME announcement, they had to ALSO show off the "new knights" imperials would be getting? Couldn't have saved that for a seperate announcement, even ONE day later?

Fething let Xenos have ONE announcement where there's NO imperial presence. Just one, it's all I ask. One.

Yea this is it for me. I'm sick of Imperial stuff. I'm sick of Chaos stuff. As much as I'd love new Ork stuff at this point I'd take anything that didn't have an aquilla or 8 pointed star somewhere on the model. Inb4 Sisters players claim Fleur de lis.

What i find funny is that people still think that if gw dosnt release x y or z that they will lose players and they will fail.

If you have collected all the mintures for your army then good for you. If you want more stuff start a new army

Getting an army range extended or updated dosnt excatly forfill a huge amount of time unless its a army size update

Take ownership its not gw fault that your not forfilled enough with there model line its yours

ian wrote:
What i find funny is that people still think that if gw dosnt release x y or z that they will lose players and they will fail.

If you have collected all the mintures for your army then good for you. If you want more stuff start a new army

Getting an army range extended or updated dosnt excatly forfill a huge amount of time unless its a army size update

Take ownership its not gw fault that your not forfilled enough with there model line its yours

It absolutely happens.

There's a few Ork players selling their army on facebook groups as I write this.

They don't seem to be interested in playing 40k for the foreseeable. I'm not saying it's common but it definitely happens.

 Galas wrote:
Guys how can you be so puerile?

Some people are blessed with natural talent. Others have to practice long and hard.

Jambles wrote:

 Mysterio wrote:
Unsquating the Squats would be great - someone should ask GW about this at Adepticon!

Here's a thought: if you ask me, Squats are awkward as a faction, in both the fluff and crunch sense. I say, if they want to add Space Dwarfs to 40k, the thing to do would be to flesh out the Demiurg. It's a Xenos race, so the anti-Imperial-release folks are happy: it's an opportunity to try for a more distinct visual style than the generic Imperial auxiliaries that old squats look like, something like they did with Kharadron Overlords: and if they felt skittish about making them a complete standalone faction, they could team them up with T'au like they do in Battlefleet Gothic.

Demiurg are a for sure way for me to get pissed again @ GW. Lemme ask you, did you ever play squats? if so you would hate the fact that they redid them as something else when new models that are analogous look sooo good.


The fact that Kharadron look soooooooooo effin close to squats it actually makes me mad, he'll even the 40th anniversary Grombrindal looked exactly like a squat in exo-armour. I've almost broken down and bought some but the fact they don't have 40k rules has stopped me. the new squat bounty hunter for necromunda is exactly what i would want in a "new" model. even the stats reflect what they would play like, slow but tough.

So... Is someone going to put up pictures from Adepticon here? Or are we just talking about stuff that's announced?

I assume a bunch of companies other than GW made some sort of announcements, did they just get drowned in all the other stuff?

ian wrote:
What i find funny is that people still think that if gw dosnt release x y or z that they will lose players and they will fail.

If you have collected all the mintures for your army then good for you. If you want more stuff start a new army

Getting an army range extended or updated dosnt excatly forfill a huge amount of time unless its a army size update

Take ownership its not gw fault that your not forfilled enough with there model line its yours

It is, in fact, only GW's fault that they haven't even got plastic kits for all of the entries in the Codex.

Let me run that by you again.

I can't actually buy kits in plastic for all of the units.

They need to fill the holes in their line before starting new ranges. They have had, in fact, ELEVENTY BILLION FETHING YEARS to do this.

I dont see why Vespids need to be in plastic, and while Techmarines arent in Plastic i still use them.

I dont see why you are so picky - either get the finecast version or use a different unit?

Hanskrampf wrote:8th isn't even 1 year old and GW has stated from the beginning that it will focus on Imperium vs Chaos at first. And that's exactly what we got so far.
Damn this new GW that gives us an outlook from the beginning and then stick to it.

This and

Duardin wrote:The 40k community always amazes me with the amount of constant negativity that surrounds even the most exciting announcements.

This.



I play Tyranids, Necrons, Eldar, and started Custodes mid last year. So i played only Xenos for the last 17+ years. But i don't get why people are so impatient nowadays. It used to take years before we would get new stuff for our army. Except for SM. If i remember correctly Tyranids got three major releases in the last 10 years. And Necrons got maybe two. and that’s the case for most factions. But since GW has started putting out new stuff twice a month people get upset when their faction(s) gets nothing in a year. I think most people forget or where not in the hobby when Dark Eldar waited 10 years for a new codex. Or factions didn't get a new codex in the whole edition. And now not even a year after the start of 8. edition we have Codex announced for all Factions but Orks, GSC and SW. Even SOB had theirs announced. So we're missing 2 Imperial Codices and 2 Xenos. We saw 5 codex releases in the first 3 month of 2018. I think overall GW did pretty good. I am actually amazed they can keep this paste.



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zerosignal wrote:

ian wrote:
What i find funny is that people still think that if gw dosnt release x y or z that they will lose players and they will fail.

If you have collected all the mintures for your army then good for you. If you want more stuff start a new army

Getting an army range extended or updated dosnt excatly forfill a huge amount of time unless its a army size update

Take ownership its not gw fault that your not forfilled enough with there model line its yours

It is, in fact, only GW's fault that they haven't even got plastic kits for all of the entries in the Codex.

Let me run that by you again.

I can't actually buy kits in plastic for all of the units.

They need to fill the holes in their line before starting new ranges. They have had, in fact, ELEVENTY BILLION FETHING YEARS to do this.

The machines for plastic models are way more expansive than the ones for metal. so it may not be profitable to make every model in plastic.

 skullking wrote:
So... Is someone going to put up pictures from Adepticon here? Or are we just talking about stuff that's announced?

I assume a bunch of companies other than GW made some sort of announcements, did they just get drowned in all the other stuff?

GW seems to be drowning everyone else out.

Speaking of other companies, Red Republic Games is apparently showing the Greeks for Arena Rex. If anyone can get pictures of them, it'd be greatly appreciated.

ian wrote:
What i find funny is that people still think that if gw dosnt release x y or z that they will lose players and they will fail.

If you have collected all the mintures for your army then good for you. If you want more stuff start a new army

Getting an army range extended or updated dosnt excatly forfill a huge amount of time unless its a army size update

Take ownership its not gw fault that your not forfilled enough with there model line its yours

If GW doesn't release X, Y or Z in a timely fashion, they absolutely will lose players. They probably won't fail, though. I'm a predominantly Xenos player. I've been waiting patiently for a Codex and new units for quite some time. The T'au book dropped with no new units. The Necrons book is dropping with no new units (a plastic version of an existing unit isn't a new unit). I'm tired of waiting. Star Wars Legion dropped yesterday. I spent last night shelving my 40k stuff and building Stormtroopers. I'll still pay attention to 40k happenings and might get back into it at some point in the future, but I currently have no plans to spend any time (outside of surfing forums and news sites at work) or money on 40k.

Tau got a large update last time. The only models that really need doing are the Vespid and flavours of Kroot. They've also done really well out of previous release windows.

Necrons? Well, I'd like to see Flayed Ones in plastic - but that's about it. The range itself isn't terribly old, and whilst Finecast is a PITA, other than the Flayed Ones its just the characters.

So far the release "model" for 8th edition codexes has been either to release almost nothing, or effectively a whole new range.

Marines got most of a new range of models with the Primaris stuff. Same for Death Guard. Custodes expanded from just one set to a full range. Pretty much everyone else just got new rules for their old models - occasionally with a new character or something.

zerosignal wrote:

ian wrote:
What i find funny is that people still think that if gw dosnt release x y or z that they will lose players and they will fail.

If you have collected all the mintures for your army then good for you. If you want more stuff start a new army

Getting an army range extended or updated dosnt excatly forfill a huge amount of time unless its a army size update

Take ownership its not gw fault that your not forfilled enough with there model line its yours

It is, in fact, only GW's fault that they haven't even got plastic kits for all of the entries in the Codex.

Let me run that by you again.

I can't actually buy kits in plastic for all of the units.

They need to fill the holes in their line before starting new ranges. They have had, in fact, ELEVENTY BILLION FETHING YEARS to do this.

Why do they need to turn things that already exist into plastic? They would then be competing against themselves.

Take Aspect warriors for example.

I have the latest metal sculpts already bought and painted. New plastic ones are released and they basically look the same with a few more poses and options.

Pretending I'm a lot more rational than I actually am, there's a good chance I don't need to buy them because I've already got them and I'm happy with what I have. A % of your potential customers are lost.

If they release a new unit for Ynnari, I definitely don't have them. None of your potential customers are lost.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Tau got a large update last time. The only models that really need doing are the Vespid and flavours of Kroot. They've also done really well out of previous release windows.

Realistically, what Tau "needed" was a non-Commander profile and a Grey Knights-ing of the bigger suits like the Ghostkeel and Broadsides to open up some more thematic options.

Also plastic Sniper Drones.

Forgot about the sniper drones!

It's similar to people wanting new Death stuff for AoS.

What's easy to lose sight of is just how recent much of the Undead line is. End Times brought the three Mortarchs, Nagash, plastic Ghosts and the Morghasts. Before that, new skellingtons, Ghouls, the Big Ghouls, Zombie Dragon, Cavalry, Grave Guard, Corpse Cart, Dire Wolves and the Mortis Engine/Coven Throne,. That was a major release right there. The only models that genuinely need an update are the Black Coach (may have been clocked in the Adepticon trailers), Fellbats, Bat Swarms and Zombies (don't think I'm missing any others?)

Oh god the zombies desperately need an update.

Galas wrote:Guys how can you be so puerile?

It's a combination of a couple of factors, but I think the main ones are that everybody falls into a habit of using sarcasm and hyperbole with the occasional allusion to an inside joke, while simultaneously failing to recognize when others do the same.

At the risk of ruining what might otherwise be a fun argument allow me to spoil the joke:

fe40k wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

If you can't understand why that is boring, why it might put someone off the hobby then simply imagine yourself to be in the shoes of someone (like me) who has had no new models and his primary army is still without a codex. There's only so long you can feed of the hype of others before it becomes hollow and empty. That time is passed.

Certainly you understand that this is because Orks don't sell, people are just not interested in them. It makes sense for GW to dedicate their resources to popular lines such as Sisters of Battle, rather than wasting their time on niche stuff like Orks.

Need some sources

There's no source, that's the point. It's a useless, annoying, cyclical argument that dakkanauts in general (and English Gentleman in particular) have brought up every time someone says they want plastic battle sisters (or decent rules for battle sisters, or an explanation on how their special rules are supposed to work in a new edition, or for them to acknowledge that they even exist in the setting!)

If it stings too much, take heart in the fact that you won't be putting up with it for 20 years, or that you'll definitely be getting your codex (with or without a fix to the underlying problem) well before the sisters do.

My point is that everybody who is blaming gw for there lack of releases is missing the point. Gw is a thriving company that has a big product range and is still producing more.

Gw has nothing to do with what you like or what you want so stop blaming them when you dont like somthing,

Why do you have more right to xenos models then imperial models

Key point nobody does

So shouldnt we just be disscussing what we like and dont like ,and not what we think we "should " have

So, is the Adepticon thread actually going to cover anything related to Adepticon? This thread has been 8 pages do far of people talking about GW. How about some actual news from the show?

Would be nice if the first post was updated with any relevant news..

Like dealerhall walkthough on fcaebook from Shoshie's Magnificent Mini Painting

https://www.facebook.com/Shoshiesminis/videos/1814504781934531/

Victoria Minis first up

Competition painted minis

CMON (some dark age)

Mini duels dice trays, counters etc

Freeblades

KR

Hot & Dangerous ? 54/28mm pinups

Tectonic Craft MDF stuff

Secret Weapon bases

Wander: Cult of Barnacle Bay

Starwars: Legion

Corvus Beli: Infinity

Muse on Minis, Judgement, 54mm scale moba inspired game

I am guessing half my former MOD colleagues are there, so on their behalf (self alerting to make sure they don't mind) -

Dakka Rule #2 - Stay on Topic! This is a thread to discuss Adepticon news and events, and while that may have a bit of latitude, it definitely doesn't mean discuss GW's future releases unrelated to the things announced at Adepticon. There are other threads for that.

In other news Destroyers for Dropfleet Commander have appeared

Man those ships are amazing! *mindblown*

Dropfleet make some very impressive ships and their hard plastic resin whateveri s rather nice to work with.
the only downside is the detail is SO fine that you've got to be really careful with cleaning (though the mould lines are very slight where they are present)

Damn loving those destroyers!

EDIT: Damnit, I need to stop skipping to the end to reply.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

ian wrote:
What i find funny is that people still think that if gw dosnt release x y or z that they will lose players and they will fail.

If you have collected all the mintures for your army then good for you. If you want more stuff start a new army

Getting an army range extended or updated dosnt excatly forfill a huge amount of time unless its a army size update

Take ownership its not gw fault that your not forfilled enough with there model line its yours

It absolutely happens.

There's a few Ork players selling their army on facebook groups as I write this.

They don't seem to be interested in playing 40k for the foreseeable. I'm not saying it's common but it definitely happens.

I don't see how GW suffers if somebody has collected a full army and then sells it on second hand.

The hobby is much better off without people so childish that they will actually sell off an army they're apparently passionate about BECAUSE MINIATURES ARE RELEASED FOR OTHER ARMIES.

That makes no sense. If they're that delicate then I certainly don't want to play against them.

zerosignal wrote:
It is, in fact, only GW's fault that they haven't even got plastic kits for all of the entries in the Codex.

Let me run that by you again.

I can't actually buy kits in plastic for all of the units.

They need to fill the holes in their line before starting new ranges. They have had, in fact, ELEVENTY BILLION FETHING YEARS to do this.

I don't see why that's a problem. I had a metal and hybrid army of Thousand Sons for, ooh, 20 years until the Codex and kits were released recently. They had all 20 years of my patronage to release that army in plastic. They did not. The status quo was that if I wanted to collect the army I was passionate about collecting, I would need to do so via classic metal models, the hybrid plastic and metal models and so on, so I did. When other miniatures for other armies were released (in plastic), that status quo had not changed. There was, therefore, no reason for me to be upset, disappointed and especially not angry. Everything was normal. Then they released some absolutely excellent plastic kits, a primarch, militia, etc. That was great. I was super happy about that.

I also managed that whole 20 years without complaining on internet message boards about how a situation had remained static. I realise that probably seems a bit odd. But anybody can do it.

Oh, by the way, one thing that has not really been discussed is the upcoming 40K army builder. I was very pleased to hear that it was finally arriving, only to hear that it uses power levels, thus being completely worthless. People rarely play using power levels, and even if they did, they're easy enough to count that you can do it without any app or calculator.

Power levels!??? Are you kidding me?

Good ole Gdubs..

 Captain Joystick wrote:
There's no source, that's the point. It's a useless, annoying, cyclical argument that dakkanauts in general (and English Gentleman in particular) have brought up every time someone says they want plastic battle sisters (or decent rules for battle sisters, or an explanation on how their special rules are supposed to work in a new edition, or for them to acknowledge that they even exist in the setting!)

If it stings too much, take heart in the fact that you won't be putting up with it for 20 years, or that you'll definitely be getting your codex (with or without a fix to the underlying problem) well before the sisters do.

You just couldn't help but join in the fun huh?

There is a difference between going 4 years without an update when almost your entire line is in plastic and getting nothing for 20 years.

If Orks ever went so long without an update I would concede the same of them (or any other race). The problem with you Sisters fanatics is that you take everything so personally. Really we all know that if Sisters' WERE as popular as you guys claim, this would've been done a long time ago. I have conceded time and time again that the market may have changed but you lot are so defensive, petty and pathetic that you vilify anyone that dare suggest Sisters haven't sold historically. It's laughable really.

 ekwatts wrote:
I don't see how GW suffers if somebody has collected a full army and then sells it on second hand.

The hobby is much better off without people so childish that they will actually sell off an army they're apparently passionate about BECAUSE MINIATURES ARE RELEASED FOR OTHER ARMIES.

That makes no sense. If they're that delicate then I certainly don't want to play against them.

They suffer because people aren't spending money on their products. Let me break it down for you -

8th Ed has brought in a raft of new and returning players. Some of these players have wads of cash to spend. Of those players another subset would be "Ork fanboys" who only want to spend money on Ork related products. GW aren't releasing Ork related products. Ork fanboys get bored of waiting for stuff to spend their wads of cash on. They spend their cash on other things and drift away from the hobby.

These people won't go out with a big "OMIGOD IM LEAVING FOR GUD THIS TIME GUAYZ!" post on here or social media. They probably aren't super passionate about 40k. They will simply see that their faction has nothing new, time and time again, eventually get bored, stop looking and stop playing. These are the players that GW risk losing and if I'm honest they make up the majority of the gains that 8th brought in. They managed to bring in a load of casuals and they will potentially lose them just as fast.

Aah cool, where have they said that then?

bananathug wrote:
Power levels!??? Are you kidding me?

That's what the video said... Though maybe the guy was talking about his previous project, the Roll Call... It was quite confusing and lacked any real info.

 Crimson wrote:
Oh, by the way, one thing that has not really been discussed is the upcoming 40K army builder. I was very pleased to hear that it was finally arriving, only to hear that it uses power levels, thus being completely worthless. People rarely play using power levels, and even if they did, they're easy enough to count that you can do it without any app or calculator.

I thought the same. Read the GW "official" press release they put up and they mentioned a matched play one is on the works it's just further out, and it'll also be free.

It almost sounds like the PL one is like a public beta test before they tackle the fancier matched play system.

 Crimson wrote:

bananathug wrote:
Power levels!??? Are you kidding me?

That's what the video said... Though maybe the guy was talking about his previous project, the Roll Call... It was quite confusing and lacked any real info.

It's two different army builders. The FREE one (like Warscroll builder) will use Power Level, the Warhammer Ap which will come out later will have points.

From the Warhammer Community Page

Don’t worry, matched play fans – we haven’t forgotten you! Combat Roster will later be joined by a Warhammer 40,000 app, a bespoke digital companion to the 41st Millennium, which will feature a matched play list builder.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/03/22/breaking-news-major-revealsgw-homepage-post-1/

 Crimson wrote:

bananathug wrote:
Power levels!??? Are you kidding me?

That's what the video said... Though maybe the guy was talking about his previous project, the Roll Call... It was quite confusing and lacked any real info.

The video said they were STARTING with power levels. That inferes points will be implemented after.

Here are the Top 16 Lists

https://spikeybits.com/2018/03/40k-adepticon-championship-top-16-lists-revealed.html

We have

6 x Imperium Armies
5 x Tyranids
4 x Chaos
1 x Aeldari

Any other big news from those going or reported around?

There's got to be more than just GW and new models from Dropfleet. Anything from Warmachine or Hordes or Reaper or anyone else in the mini world ?

So....... When does Adepticon end? I'm looking forward to the new FAQ more than anything else.

Well, if you want news from other companies:

Arena Rex has two new models there for sale; a Tiger and an Exiled gladiator. He brings a faction card for himself.

And the first of the Greek faction are shown in images, but no rules or models yet.

even if its just power levels, it would be a nice way to flesh out the list, print it up with an easy to read format and then scribble in points using a pencil.... Unless they make the program output a really bad format

 nordsturmking wrote:
Here are the Top 16 Lists

https://spikeybits.com/2018/03/40k-adepticon-championship-top-16-lists-revealed.html

We have

6 x Imperium Armies
5 x Tyranids
4 x Chaos
1 x Aeldari

So where is Tony Grippando?
Wasn't he suppose to defend his "Best sportmanships award" from last years adepticon?

 nordsturmking wrote:
Here are the Top 16 Lists

https://spikeybits.com/2018/03/40k-adepticon-championship-top-16-lists-revealed.html

We have

6 x Imperium Armies
5 x Tyranids
4 x Chaos
1 x Aeldari

Read #12's descriptions of the Ynnari detachment. I like that this was accepted. "Cat Lady"

Have any of hte dexes launched with models? I dont need models, I have almost 15 000 points of stuff... I need rules that cut that total down to 11 000

 Overread wrote:
In other news Destroyers for Dropfleet Commander have appeared

I definitely like the tripartite version the most for the UCM destroyed kit. I haven't paid attention since the kickstarter began delivering (I bought into Halo Fleet Battles instead unfortunately)... Are their subsequent releases resin like in DZC?

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 Overread wrote:
In other news Destroyers for Dropfleet Commander have appeared

I definitely like the tripartite version the most for the UCM destroyed kit. I haven't paid attention since the kickstarter began delivering (I bought into Halo Fleet Battles instead unfortunately)... Are their subsequent releases resin like in DZC?

Well I recently received my first TT Combat made dropfleet stuff and I was not happy if i'm honest, the old stuff was cast by the #1 resin production company in the UK and was priced accordingly. The New stuff is cast in house and is as rough as a badgers back side despite costing the same.

The resin is the hard dark gray type I have seen used by the Chinese recasters, nothing fits to gather flush or even matches up at all in some cases. Not sure if this is an issue with the molds,material or casting but I ordered some of the exclusives they put up at launch so fingers crossed the retail stuff might be the normal type and quality expected will wait for reviews before any more purchases of dropfleet or drop commander.

I think part.of the issue is they seem to have recast some plastic components in resin without factoring in shrinkage but who knows.

The dropfleet stuff looks really good and I don't even play but I might buy that model.

Their twitch chat is sub only, sigh.