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Post by: champagne_socialist
Hi all,
What has annoyed you most about players you have played against?
I had a team game and my partner was a random guy who I had not met before but had spoken to online. We agreed to meet up at a 40k store and play a 3v3 game. One of the players was 25 minutes late and had sent no messages to anyone to say he was going to be late. He walks in late and doesn't apologise and doesn't actually say anything, just stands there. He then says halfway through turn 2 that he doesn't want to stay late and will only stay another hour basically meaning the game won't be finished.
So he turns up late without telling anyone he was gonna be late, doesn't say sorry when he arrives and then the game had to end after turn 3 because he didn't want to stay late.
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Post by: davou
You have to let people walk all over you in order for them to walk all over you.
Next time, ask the other players if theyd like to restart for a game that can actually happen and drop the lost points somewhere
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Post by: pm713
Cheating and not even subtle cheating. I mean blatantly moving his models away from ones about to charge them in the next phase then giving a huge huff about it when I said to stop moving them.
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Post by: Gitdakka
In a 2v2 me and my friend faced 2 brothers who argued loudly with eachother throughout the match (and the entire tournament). We had heard them all matches and and we prayed we would not have to face them. The Gods did not grant our wish.
The game was one sided in their favour, but they also played extremely slowly and every tiny move lead to a rules argument (if we moved) or a family shouting contest (if it was their move). The match was a waste of time
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Post by: HoundsofDemos
Worst was I had a guy back in fifth who was playing sisters and seemed to be counting on them not being common to make rules up to his advantage in a 2 v 2 tournament. Even his partner seemed turned off by the end of the game.
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Post by: IronBrand
The only thing that really comes to mind for me is people who insist on massive games and refuse to adjust for games. The group I played with when I first got into the game were absolutely obsessed with massive games. Games became incredibly tedious and only fun for the people insisting on them. You were very lucky to get a game under 3000pts a side which was insane, especially when several people were new to the game and forced into a coalition of people who had no idea what they were doing. One week we were there for about 6 hours and still on the first half of turn two when everyone just left.
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Post by: gwarsh41
People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.
Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.
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Post by: HoundsofDemos
 gwarsh41 wrote:People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.
Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.
This can be a tricky one. I always try to be good natured if I'm getting my butt kicked, but I rarely will actually surrender unless it's very late in the game and any further turns are just window dressing. It is a random dice game after all and I've seen some pretty spectacular swings over the years.
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Post by: bullyboy
Yeah, I'm not going to surrender either, always small victories can be found in big defeats. 
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Post by: Desubot
People that take things tooo seriously not not seriously enough.
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Post by: the_scotsman
gwarsh41 wrote:People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.
Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.
Yeah, I definitely struggled with this in the early high school years of playing, of playing out games I was obviously losing and being really salty about it, to which my opponents very reasonably became annoyed.
My typical response now is to come up with an achievable goal to keep myself amused (I had a game a few weeks ago where I had a GSC army and I was playing against a relatively optimized "2 battalions of chaff+knight" type list, and we played a mission that forced 2/3 of my army to have to roll to come in, breaking up my GSC alpha strike. My opponent got to start the knight on the board, and two turns in it became obvious it wasn't going to go anywhere for me...so I just decided my new objective was just to kill that knight, nothing else.) I will see that goal to completion and happily concede the game, and since typically my little goal will just involve suicidally attempting to take out a large model, and that typically sets us to the end of the game anyway.
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Post by: timetowaste85
Two guys at my local I just WON'T play against (anymore). One took the nasty Eldar list against a kid using two Dark Vengeance sets, chanted "miss miss miss" as the kid attempted to even kill a single unit, and had the nerve to say "oh, well, I'm FORCED to take the not so good core tax of Eldar bikes in this detachment".
Second player invited for a 2v2 game when his friend was there to learn AoS; he stuck his friend with me, and wouldn't even let the guy look at the rules for his own army. Instead of allying with his friend to show him the game, he just controlled both sides of the board and said his friend "wouldn't get it" if he handed him the rules. He also built a list for him, that was absolute trash (I don't mean noncompetitive, I mean nothing worked together with any synergy whatsoever). The fact that he acted like God's gift the gamestore didn't make me want to play against him ever again either.
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Post by: vaklor4
I have a friend who whines constantly that Tau and Space Wolves arent as good as before.
I wouldnt have an issue with this, except upon later investigation, he is whining about juml shoot jump, using tau vehicles as anti-assault walls, and spamming drop pods of space wolves.
Its ok to complain about a valid issue, but not complain about losing your hyper meta tactics that you used in casual settings.
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Post by: ServiceGames
Love these threads!
*grabs popcorn*
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Post by: leopard
Had an opponent (Flames of War) who had a habit of deciding what you were going to do "because its obvious" and starting to move things "because it saves time", and totally by coincidence does what he wants, then got huffy when I said to put them back, then to put them back where they actually were.
they started out in a nice line so it was hardly difficult.
meh. Automatically Appended Next Post: HoundsofDemos wrote: gwarsh41 wrote:People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.
Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.
This can be a tricky one. I always try to be good natured if I'm getting my butt kicked, but I rarely will actually surrender unless it's very late in the game and any further turns are just window dressing. It is a random dice game after all and I've seen some pretty spectacular swings over the years.
Find this can be irritating, unless there is time for a re-rack and a second game, then you may as well give it a go - but if an opponent wants to play it out, heck its a game, play it
I'd prefer to lose and learn something than win and not, when a game goes a bit banannnananaa shaped its the time to try something off the wall just to see what happens
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Post by: pm713
gwarsh41 wrote:People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.
Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.
I've had games where I've obviously lost by turn 2 and spent the next 4 turns laughing at it.
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Post by: Karol
 bullyboy wrote:Yeah, I'm not going to surrender either, always small victories can be found in big defeats.
Could you give any examples of those?
Personaly I droped games even after my opponents turn 1. It aint really fun when you have 3 models left, no abilty to do any damage and your opponent is just milking the game to get extra VP.
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Post by: Avatar 720
the_scotsman wrote: gwarsh41 wrote:People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.
Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.
Yeah, I definitely struggled with this in the early high school years of playing, of playing out games I was obviously losing and being really salty about it, to which my opponents very reasonably became annoyed.
My typical response now is to come up with an achievable goal to keep myself amused (I had a game a few weeks ago where I had a GSC army and I was playing against a relatively optimized "2 battalions of chaff+knight" type list, and we played a mission that forced 2/3 of my army to have to roll to come in, breaking up my GSC alpha strike. My opponent got to start the knight on the board, and two turns in it became obvious it wasn't going to go anywhere for me...so I just decided my new objective was just to kill that knight, nothing else.) I will see that goal to completion and happily concede the game, and since typically my little goal will just involve suicidally attempting to take out a large model, and that typically sets us to the end of the game anyway.
I've definitely had times where I've tried to do things like set fun/achieveable/both goals in a losing game, and then gotten more and more annoyed when the dice decided that I was simply incapable of achieving literally anything. To my opponent, it might've seemed like I was having issues losing, when I was really having issues trying to make losing even that little bit more tolerable. There's only so low you can set the "moral victory" bar 
That said, I've had more problems conceding a game against someone who is actively having fun winning. I've played games that have been over by turn 2, and I'd have gladly conceded were it not for the fact that the other guy was having fun mopping up, and I have trouble choosing between my happiness by conceding, and their happiness by letting them keep going. No matter which option I choose, someone loses out, and I've been on the recieving end of enough "It's clear you've won, good game" handshakes when I'm at peak "this is actually really fun for me" to know that it can really kill my enthusiasm to play for a while, and I don't want to do that to someone else.
Getting salty every time is an issue, but sometimes it can be difficult for a player to gauge when to concede, when to keep playing, and for who's benefit. (Or, at least, for my cripplingly socially-anxious ass.)
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Post by: HoundsofDemos
Personally I've never played a game were I took that much damage turn one that my force was completely wrecked before I even got to do anything. Plus depending on the scenario, you might always win on points. I had one game vs my friends tau which by the end I had two Skittari Rangers and three sisters left, but because I held on till the end actually ended up winning due to drawing two lucky Maelstorm cards.
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Post by: leopard
HoundsofDemos wrote:Personally I've never played a game were I took that much damage turn one that my force was completely wrecked before I even got to do anything. Plus depending on the scenario, you might always win on points. I had one game vs my friends tau which by the end I had two Skittari Rangers and three sisters left, but because I held on till the end actually ended up winning due to drawing two lucky Maelstorm cards.
Have lost on turn one a few times.
Have also one, by one VP, with three models left alive after doing precisely squat to my opponents all armoured force. Was a tasty one, fun game too.
Personally wish they removed the idea of being tabled == defeat, the idea of a heroic last stand managing to pull a victory despite the wipe out appeals
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Post by: Karol
HoundsofDemos wrote:Personally I've never played a game were I took that much damage turn one that my force was completely wrecked before I even got to do anything. Plus depending on the scenario, you might always win on points. I had one game vs my friends tau which by the end I had two Skittari Rangers and three sisters left, but because I held on till the end actually ended up winning due to drawing two lucky Maelstorm cards.
I think it depends on the army. GK vs eldar for me ends with a near wipe every time they go first, if my opponent gets the table quarter with the ruins and I get the forest part.
But the real problem is not that they wipe you turn 1 or turn 2, but that they stop trying to kill you at all. They spread around the table to get all the seconderies, and what follows is 30-40 min of them scoring stuff, and you doing nothing.
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Post by: Red__Thirst
Dealing with people who act like giant man babies and just start picking up models when they're losing without even rolling saves for them really grind my gears.
The kind of guy who walks into a game already assuming they're going to lose and just goes through the motions instead of just saying "Nah, I'll find someone else to play" so they're wasting their own time and mine. And on top of that, they act like a petulant, morose little child about how they're doing if the game doesn't go their way. If they're winning, they're going to gloat and say how bad they're 'steamrolling' their opponent. If they're not, they're the most dour person on the planet, to the point of sucking the fun out of the entire room. It's maddening.
So that's mine. I can put up with a lot, but the above behavior will make it so I never speak to you, let alone play with you.
Take it easy.
-Red__Thirst-
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Post by: HuskyWarhammer
Oh, so many things...
-People who constantly complain that their army or models are underpowered. If power is all you care about, ask for adjustments ahead of game or play a different army
-People who don't know the rules and feel cheated when you follow them (e.g., I had a friend who thought piling in wasn't a real part of melee and became upset). I mean, we all forget or make mistakes, but there's a certain level of base game knowledge that's necessary.
-Having poor manners about the game - quitting after turn 1 because you don't think you'll win, pining for past editions, consistently making the same errors, trying to "fix" a mistake you made 2 turns ago by insisting on redoing a slew of things, etc.
/rant
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Post by: SirWeeble
Man, other players can be really annoying. Most are in fact.
-When other people obviously stand really far away from you and refuse to shake your hand after a game.
-When you ask people if they're up for games, but say "oh im only here for like 5 minutes" then play a game with someone else.
-When people criticize your models and say things like "it looks like you just stuck old gum to cardboard". Especially when it's obviously painted clay on cardboard.
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Post by: Flamephoenix182
SirWeeble wrote:Man, other players can be really annoying. Most are in fact.
-When other people obviously stand really far away from you and refuse to shake your hand after a game.
-When you ask people if they're up for games, but say "oh im only here for like 5 minutes" then play a game with someone else.
-When people criticize your models and say things like "it looks like you just stuck old gum to cardboard". Especially when it's obviously painted clay on cardboard.
Those first two sound like the things people do at the club to the dude with poor hygiene but they are too polite to say anything.
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Post by: Elbows
I avoid a handful of people, but it's mainly because I don't "need" to game to hang out with people. I also never "need" to game, so if I'm gaming it's going to be with people I would like to spend two hours chatting with while we're playing. Doesn't mean you're a dick, but if you smell, are socially annoying, or have a gak attitude, I won't be spending my time with you.
It's one of the benefits of social/casual gaming and being an adult; you can choose who you spend your time with.
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Post by: Adeptus Doritos
"Bad hygiene"- I can tolerate someone being a bit sweaty in a warm room, but there's a distinctive difference between that and someone who obviously hasn't bathed or laundered their clothes in several days. I refuse to play with someone that smells this bad, and if the establishment doesn't do something about it- I leave.
"Let's play a fluffy fun game"- when this happens, it's great... but most of the time, it's someone who's going to put down a competitive list.
"Unsolicited 'help' from people"- It's one thing if we need some help with rules, but I really HATE when backseat generals stand over me or my opponent and start telling us what to do with our models and trying to strategize for me or my opponent.
"Late to tournament/League game" - a few minutes, I can tolerate... but if I've got anything to say, when it hits the 15 minute mark and you're walking in the door- your first game is a loss. 'Starts at [time]' does not mean 'leave the house at that time'.
"Touching models"- please, don't, unless you're asked to. I don't want to know where your hands have been.
"Team Game" - at least when it's one guy playing 2 armies while his 'teammate' stands there holding dice and waiting to be told how many to roll. I understand helping rookies, but stop using your girlfriend/disinterested kid/stoned buddy as an excuse to lay down your two favorite armies in one game.
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Post by: Elbows
Adeptus, you missed one...the brand new guy who wants to throw down a 2500 point game with hastily glued minis. Baby steps people...baby steps.
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Post by: darkcloak
Never had too many issues with 40k players. X-Wing on the other hand?
Oh my freaking god! The nerve of some people!
I once pointed out that the term 'fly casual' was a misnomer in regards to the way it's applied to X-Wing. In the film Han advises Chewie to fly as such, not to make friends with the Star Destroyer, but so as to slip past its defences under the guise of camaraderie. A dirty rebel trick, no doubt! However this soon lead to me being branded a WAAC player. Despite the fact I flew TIE Swarms or Dual Phantoms (after the nerf and meta pushing that list into nigh-unplayability). Hardly WAAC options at all. But, mean ol' DC, can't fly casual. What a badass. Lol.
Sorry I refuse to hold your hand and let you have re-do's. Git gud, noobs!
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Post by: CassianSol
Most issues are resolved by communicating clearly before and during a game. Establishing clear expectations of what you want from a game and your approach to painting/take backs/competitiveness goes a long way to prevent any horrible surprises. Similarly, if you see any odd play, challenge it but in a tactful way ("Oh, sorry I'm a bit rusty, could you show me that rule - I don't remember it at all")
Yes, there are a disproportionately large number of players in the 40k community with weak social skills (some in this thread), but that doesn't necessarily mean they are bad. Part of living in society is engaging with different people and being tolerant of different attitudes. You just need to learn how to be polite, diplomatic and empathetic. Just because you think something about someone does not mean you should say it. Obviously there are outliers.
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Post by: Adeptus Doritos
 Elbows wrote:Adeptus, you missed one...the brand new guy who wants to throw down a 2500 point game with hastily glued minis. Baby steps people...baby steps.
A lot of times, I attribute this to 'peer pressure'- one of his buddies is well-experienced in the game (sort of), the guy had money to blow, a shopping spree was involved, and the guy has been made to feel like he 'NEEDS' all these models to play the game.
I have a guy I'm working with now that had this EXACT same thing happen. Poor dude shows up with brand new high-dollar cases, with a bunch of new Imperial Guard models that haven't even had primer touch them. I think this guy has one or two of literally everything available, no idea how to use it... most of it is either 'useless without more like it' or 'not necessary in the overwhelming majority of games'. Poor guy had TWO infantry squads. TWO! And just enough for two, and we had to hastily assemble some voxcasters for him and do a lot of 'fixing'. Fortunately, I've hooked him up with a lot of my unpainted Scions for now.
And the worst part is that he's underwhelmed with everything but the tanks, and he thinks they look silly. He asked me if it would be easy to sell it. Heartbreaking.
Oh, the punchline that makes me furious? The guy that 'helped' him hasn't played 40k since like 5th edition.
So, note to players- when you find a new guy with cash to burn and a real interest in the game, start him small.
EDIT:
Also, the absolute worst players are the ones that try to tell other players what to buy and play. STOP THIS.
I see 40k armies the way I see a gun, a motorcycle, a car, or something like that. Sure, make an informed decision and listen to other peoples' thoughts on it. But at the end of the day, the one you want is the one you should get. If you buy something that someone else says you 'should get' or 'need' and you're not enthusiastic about it? You're gonna end up trying to sell it later, and feel kind of sour and cheated.
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Post by: SirWeeble
Flamephoenix182 wrote:SirWeeble wrote:Man, other players can be really annoying. Most are in fact.
-When other people obviously stand really far away from you and refuse to shake your hand after a game.
-When you ask people if they're up for games, but say "oh im only here for like 5 minutes" then play a game with someone else.
-When people criticize your models and say things like "it looks like you just stuck old gum to cardboard". Especially when it's obviously painted clay on cardboard.
Those first two sound like the things people do at the club to the dude with poor hygiene but they are too polite to say anything.
That was kind of the joke - i was playing like a clueless unwashed wierdo accusing other people of being annoying. I don't actually walk around unwashed and try to play 40k with self-made clay figures on cardboard.
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Post by: Slayer-Fan123
I like declaring that I'm activating Pot Of Greed, which lets me draw two cards from the top of my deck.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
I don't have a long list of the ones I find "annoying" and to be honest I spend most of my time concerned I might be someone else's "annoying person", but everyone likes some good venting so why not indulge a little?
I've yet to see anyone say "the smelly guy" didn't bother them too much, and since he's basically a list staple I should explain my issue with these people. See, my sense of smell is basically mostly dead. Most of the time I don't smell a darn thing and when I do it's usually a surprise. But when it comes to BO it's never like I manage to catch the slightest wisp of the sour tang on someone's caked on sweat, but a full on brick to the face. It hits hard and always catches me off guard every time. It's such a problem among the local MtG players that I don't even visit my FLGS on Fridays to avoid this sensory brick to the face.
Let me put it this way: if I can smell you, we don't need to get you some soap, we need to get you some promethium.
Less of a staple are the bad winners. I mean, sure, everyone hates TFG, but I don't mean the TFG of the store who gloats about his net list that tabled the new guy who is still trying to learn the game, but rather people who constantly gripe and complain while they win. The worst I ran across was someone who was just shy of tabling me in a game and spent the entire time complaining that he was about to get his butt kicked. Look, I get not getting complacent and sloppy in your play and maybe that helps, but don't talk about how your opponent who is losing by a mile is about to table you.,
Last up, I'm going to say unpainted models. Look, not everyone has to be the person who spends months making everything look Golden Daemon ready, but some basic effort would be nice. Looking at seas of black primer or grey plastic isn't just boring but it makes the game actively harder to play. Now I need to circle around the table or ask you who is packing what so I can make target priority choices because I can't tell what weapons are mixed into that blob of guys. It only gets worse when it's an all proxy army of grey plastic that someone has been playing for years but refuses to even try painting because they can't stand the effort.
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Post by: Eonfuzz
Cheaters I can deal with, I've dealt with their kind before and calling it out while it goes on is the best feelings.
TFG I can put up with, it just means the match is going to be a challenge and a few rules questions are going to come up.
Book Lawyers are fine - they're passionate about the game - and FLGS owners are there to fix arguments.
That one smelly guy cares more about the tabletop than his stench, and it can very well be a health problem.
For me the 'most annoying player' is the one that has no vested interest in the game. Looking at their phone, not following turns and constantly being prompted to roll armour saves because they're too busy looking at 'dank memes'.
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Post by: ingtaer
 Eonfuzz wrote:For me the 'most annoying player' is the one that has no vested interest in the game. Looking at their phone, not following turns and constantly being prompted to roll armour saves because they're too busy looking at 'dank memes'.
This, I was playing someone in x-wing regionals and they spent the entire game watching the people playing next to us. After he got soundly trashed he commented that his list was underpowered... no mate, you payed zero attention to what you were doing. One of my regular opponents also spends all the time on his phone/tablet and complains that games are too long and this really irritates me.
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Post by: Coolyo294
People who don't have lists ready when they come in to the store. On Warhammer sundays we almost always play 1,500 or 2,000 point games, yet every goddamn time my opponent doesn't have a list ready to go and i have to sit there for a half hour/forty five minutes while he picks through his case looking at what he brought and making a list. How hard is it to just have a couple lists ready to go when you walk in so you don't waste my time?
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Post by: Vasarto
I haven't played since 5th edition and have no real plans to play ever again really. I just like to do painting and modeling and stuff. BUT, once during the last ard boys tournaments, I was playing my orks against an eldar player and he was a real Rules Lawyer, and counted, pointed at me and made sure I was looking at his fingures each time he counted something which was always him counting in "french". Every single time I did something that involved special rules, like adding Ghazghkull Thraka to Snikrots party outside of combat and sneaking him on the backboard, he would stop the game and ask the judge for rule clarification and even fought some of the rulings several times.
I swear, getting rid of the snikrot independant character cheat was the worst mistake for Orks and I will never play the game again until they allow him to bring independent characters with him again. It basically permanently ruined the game for me since all I like to play is orks, and my army is heavy commandos which is what made the game super fun for me. But I digress.....A rules lawyer who stops the game several times and makes sure you are actively looking at his fingers as he counts out in front of your face with his fingers, counting in french each time he counts something....and I mean ANYTHING...ever....since...thing.
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Post by: IronBrand
Eonfuzz wrote:For me the 'most annoying player' is the one that has no vested interest in the game. Looking at their phone, not following turns and constantly being prompted to roll armour saves because they're too busy looking at 'dank memes'.
Even worse than the ones constantly looking at memes are the ones constantly loudly quoting memes.
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Post by: Avor
I use to have a book of cheating, pictures to show how poeple steal inches and cheat the dice. Simple things like how assulalt marines spread out while on the move. then messsure only the most forward man then without messuring for the rest of the squiad he pushs them all into contact. Or when people pick the die after rolling. Many people will simply grab the that hit and roll them. But people pick up fast and do it behind terrain. But you should pick out the nissed rolll so his opponent see your not trying to pull a fast one.
Then people got annoyed by me, trying to make them show where in the book and page where they get their crazy killer army explaned. It's how I learned deep strike, from somebody useing on me. But they hate it when I want to see in a book so I sure bout the rule. If I have to use it later or have to share it.
Only two people had this problem, I do the math as I play, telling them exactly as I do it. Saying suff like "Bolter, strenghth strength four agaisnt your toughness three, I need threes to wound." I do it to keep track of what I'm and telling my oppenent what Im doing, just some realy just don;t want hear it.
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Post by: wuestenfux
One of the worst opponents here is a German ETC guy.
He always packs his dice after the rolls back into the tray, and so so plays very slowly.
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Post by: jeff white
Gitdakka wrote:In a 2v2 me and my friend faced 2 brothers who argued loudly with eachother throughout the match (and the entire tournament). We had heard them all matches and and we prayed we would not have to face them. The Gods did not grant our wish.
The game was one sided in their favour, but they also played extremely slowly and every tiny move lead to a rules argument (if we moved) or a family shouting contest (if it was their move). The match was a waste of time
Sounds like what would happen if my wife got into 40k.
When I was more into gaming, actually playing, and had.made time for it with friends, or "friends" as it were, there as one guy who I often played with, and (especially) when we would start a new system, I would see how my army was able to exploit rules in certain ways to soundly and reliably squish his chosen faction, so I would offer house rules adjustments or reinterpret the rules as written in a way that would hobble my side in those ways in which it may have been overpowered, then after agreeing on the adjustment, and playing with it for some time, as his faction was able to exploit rules in ways that benefitted his side exclusively, with the release and or purchase of new units and so on, he would both never offer reinterpretations of rules as written in order to restore some strategic balance, and would also not allow us to return to original rules interpretations that would restore my faction's strengths in a way that made the game fun for me anymore. Dude ended up in law school, go figure. Bet he made a mint and lives with a grand reputation for being a total lawyer. I don't begrudge him whatever success he found in the real world, but my faith in reason ruling ostensibly reasonable men has yet to be restored, and I have less than zero interest in ever speaking with him or with anyone like him again. Paint brushes are far better company.
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Post by: some bloke
Sloppy movers. I don't know whether they are trying to cheat, or just think that moving is an annoying middle-man to shooting and assault, but when people move their models an extra half inch, practically throwing them in the direction of the tape measure to gain some distance, It bugs me.
I especially get annoyed when this happens in x-wing, when people don't hold their templates down whilst they move and they knock it picking the model up, then knock it again putting the model down - that's why we have precise movement templates. for. precise. movement.
I also hate when people roll dice on uneven surfaces and pick up cocked dice when it suits them, but re-roll them if it doesn't. and then they keep rolling on the same uneven surface, even though there's a flat bit right there that they can roll on.
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Post by: SHUPPET
I had a pick up game this week with a guy, got there and his table about 15" wide 80" long... its in a messy ass storage room the size of my bathroom with almost no room to stand... gak-all terrain on the table, just 2 pieces of low foam that served only to speedbump me and literally nothing else... I should have turned around there and then but didn't want to be rude, figured feth it should be a good challenge, lets roll some dice, the guy lives around the corner from me, maybe this is all he's got to work with let's try make this work. He'd already set up his side of the board including a fortification, so i just rolled with it
he insisted we set up 12" off the board.... there's like a 50" no man's land between us (I know because my Tyrannofex Rupture Cannon couldn't hit his Knight standing each on the DZ line).. I brought some gribblies and I'm like dude I don't even think I can fit my army on this narrow ass table lol... he responds, "then you have to reserve or lose anything you can't fit on the board"...
i didn't think i'd need to bring my rulebook, turns out he doesn't have one, so no objectives, he's like "its fine lets just kill each other". Okay, I'm like well, vs pure Knights i may as well just leave my Rippers in the bag lol, he agrees. internal sigh, I get to playing. No idea why I didn't walk out right there, but I thought I'd give this guy a shot.
we get to playing, he's doing shady gak with the rules, speed-mumbling a response to every question I ask, I know he's getting rules wrong I try point out mistakes he's making and can't even understand this guys responses, but it's clear he disagrees, and everytime I try pull up the rules he's really impatient... at this point I'm like feth it, I just want to get out of here, so I don't push the point...
a couple of turns in and I'm somehow winning against this abysmal player even with all this bs, as he sat in his deployment zone with 70" range gunning at stuff as it advanced. I've killed an Armiger, nearly finished a Crusader, and have wounds on a Castellen... he kills my warlord flyrant, declares STW, and starts tallying up his killpoints so far. I'm like... dude, I thought we were just killing things? You want to play kill points when you have 5 units and I have 20? How is that even a match? He responds "most armies have trouble with it mate"
I sigh again, this time externally, he decides to call "lunch break"... I use this break as an excuse that my time is running real low I'm gonna have to call it... it's not very believable and i didn't really sell the lie at all, but this guy has zero social awareness at all so I doubt he realised, he was zero'd in on the match anyway.
I had graciously conceded the match, I start packing up, he starts asking me how many games I've played so far in 8th, how many I won, I politely start tallying them up for him and give a rough estimate of my amount of wins as I pack, he sharply interjects "well you didn't win this one". At this point I'm just astonished, though I keep a poker face, and politely thank him for the game, while he's trying to add together the points of units he's killed for god knows what reason, I smile and wish him a great day and make my escape.
In hindsight I should have been a little sharper, but it was meant to be a friendly match and this guy was young, I didn't want to be too rough, but it's whatever. One of the worst experiences I've had with this game, but taught me a lesson in organizing and verifying certain things a bit better.
Also, his house had a bloody strong scent of toejam and the room we were in had one locked window and no curtain with the sun beating down. The guy audibly farted near the end of the match too. I was polite as it was his house and his gf was home, but the guy attends my local, I couldn't care less about the game itself as it was a mockery of 40k, but if he starts skiting about it as I suspect he will, I will say exactly what happened and he'll be in for a world of embarrassment, if he even has the social capable of feeling it.
I gotta laugh at the absurdity of it tbh. This guy just ticked every stereotype.
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Post by: Avor
Sloppy movers. I don't know whether they are trying to cheat, or just think that moving is an annoying middle-man to shooting and assault, but when people move their models an extra half inch, practically throwing them in the direction of the tape measure to gain some distance, It bugs me.
People that messure front to back to get that distance of their base, the people that only messurement for the whole squad, and even worse, the fit they throw when you call them on it. They get huffed up and shout that you just making ut up because you lost or that it's a casual game and your just a dick.
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Post by: the_scotsman
 Red__Thirst wrote:Dealing with people who act like giant man babies and just start picking up models when they're losing without even rolling saves for them really grind my gears.
The kind of guy who walks into a game already assuming they're going to lose and just goes through the motions instead of just saying "Nah, I'll find someone else to play" so they're wasting their own time and mine. And on top of that, they act like a petulant, morose little child about how they're doing if the game doesn't go their way. If they're winning, they're going to gloat and say how bad they're 'steamrolling' their opponent. If they're not, they're the most dour person on the planet, to the point of sucking the fun out of the entire room. It's maddening.
So that's mine. I can put up with a lot, but the above behavior will make it so I never speak to you, let alone play with you.
Take it easy.
-Red__Thirst-
Sad Eeyore Impression is my absolute least favorite thing to deal with in 40k. If someone is getting salty over a bad roll and is still competitive with the game, it's fine, I totally get it, dice and game balance can be frustrating at times. But ho lee moly do I just hate dealing with the player who fulfills their own prophecy of losing every game by pretty much giving up and not taking half their advantageous rules because "whats the point man, this army is so underpowered now, I don't know why I even bother, 8th ed sux..."
The worst is when the Sad Eeyore comes out even when the player you're up against is actively winning the game. I played one game where I had lost over half my army by turn 3, and I saw an opening to walk my avatar of khaine around a squad of terminators and attack a terminator chaplain that was with them. Before I charged, I used his melta sword (because I'm not just gonna not shoot him...) and he failed his save, I got lucky with damage and oneshotted him. My opponent got so mad that I didn't forgo shooting in a game I was already losing to give his model a chance to fight back. He had a squad of dudes with him, of course I'm going to try and kill him so I can charge the dudes if I succeed...
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Post by: techsoldaten
Have some sympathy for the jerks in the room.
I know people can be annoying. But 40k never really got to be fun for me until I learned to accept other people's faults. They are magnified in a game like 40k, where so much is dependent on knowing your own rules and employing them accurately. In a sense, the game is a test of your ability to be patient.
Here's an example: there was this guy I used to play against who would cheat every game. He had an engaging personality, brought a lot of conversions, and there were many reasons to like him. But he cheated, it was pathological, he could not help himself.
The kinds of things he would do were to palm dice to insert sixes into rolls, he would read rules out of the book that were not actually written and reword them to his advantage, he would distract opponents at a level I haven't seen in any other context (meaning games were long and people would have to leave while he had an advantage.)
Playing against him, I learned how to spot his 'errors' as they happened. We had a 2 year stretch where we played about every other week and the goal was to see who could out-cheat the other. Taught me a lot about slight of hand, distraction, suggestion, and other skills that really have no place in the game. But it was a hell of a lot of fun, the only reason we stopped playing was because he moved out West to do acting full time.
TBH, the people who annoy me the most are rules nazis. 8th edition has really streamlined the rules to the point where there are fewer in-game debates, but they still happen. I can't stand when someone pulls out a rulebook and make an esoteric argument on an interpretation of the rules that's based on ambiguous wording.
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Post by: Process
This thread is.... interesting. I must admit, ive only been in the hobby since the last few months of 7th and a lot of the stereotypes are quite true.
- The unsolicited list building advice- seriously? Im using a pretty well painted mainly primaris with some dreadnoughts imperial fists army.... Do you think im looking to win the LVO? its quite obvious that "optimised listing" isnt what im in the hobby for.
- The "ultra sure" guy- im standing there with the book open and tell the guy he only draws 5 cards "NO! thats not this mission", im literally reading it mate, "NO, thats another mission", seriously bud take a look- proceeds to then scroll up the page on the tablet to check I could read the mission title.... Now im gonna give the guy the benefit of the doubt- when it came to adding up how many shots i got from 5D6 i counted wrong TWICE but still.... i can read.
- The "this is his thing" guy- He's been doing 40k for longer than you, has more armies than you, read the rulebook front to back and side to side, has a Deldar army that "nobody wants to face" and for some reason cant hide his utter disdain for you because you corrected a rule mistake he made and then proceeded to get really aggressive over. Its toy soldiers, its chillout time and more importantly- its my hobby aswell.
Im not gonna lie, im probably an annoying guy aswell, i sometimes struggle to contain my raging saltiness stemming from just how ineffective the marine codex is- I do find myself internally pissed when the guy running a tournament optimised custodes list tries to up-play his win with a "nah the primaris are really good", "those hellblasters nearly had me there... if it wasnt for my 3+ invuns"...... maybe i should start netlisting haha
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Post by: Excommunicatus
I played a game once with a guy who would give his models orders. As in, he'd vocalize pretending to be a commander giving actual orders to actual troops. He even made fake vox-static noises. I thought it was funny at first but he kept it up for six turns, for every single action his models took.
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Post by: roflmajog
The people I find most annoying are the people who can't pay attention to the game. One of my regular opponents is fine in his own turn but when it gets to my movement phase he starts talking to the people at the next table and I have to try and get his attention every time I want to make an advance roll or something (and I play eldar so advance quite a lot of my units every turn because I don't take penalties).
In the other phases if I stop rolling for like 5 seconds to think he starts talking to them again. He makes my turns take a lot longer than they need to and then complains that I'm taking too long.
After all of this he still takes longer than I do for his turns because he plays horde armies.
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Post by: Excommunicatus
Oh, and there was the guy who tabled me turn three then spent half an hour complaining that I had cheated with my list composition because he'd never seen a list like it at a tournament before, therefore I was "trying to trick him".
I had told him the week before what my list was, in general terms, and showed him my army list after to prove it was legal, but it didn't matter. I had cheated by bringing "a deliberately underpowered list".
Although, I guess he was just baffling rather than annoying.
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Post by: bullyboy
I'm very fortunate to be in a good group for my 40K games so have no issues, but have played tournaments with FOW where you meet the guys listed here. They really are the minority though, so I can't complain, and have met soem amazing dudes while travelling.
I do swing by the local GW frequently but I'd never play the majority of players there. It basically looks like zero fun.......have not seen a fully painted army once, not once. It's always the new net list and the guys don't even look like they're enjoying themselves. Granted, I'm not going to tell people how to have fun, it's your game...enjoy it the way you want to. If ultracompetitive is your thing, cool, and I may be missing the pre-game talk "hey, I want to try this list out for LVO, so it's not painted yet". It's just not my thing. I'm a guy that will play all Ravenwing and not take scouts for CPs, or have tactical squads in my forces. My Eldar is not Alaitoc and has zero dark reapers and shining spears, so yeah, I'm not coming at you with the big hitters.
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Post by: Xenomancers
 SHUPPET wrote:I had a pick up game this week with a guy, got there and his table about 15" wide 80" long... its in a messy ass storage room the size of my bathroom with almost no room to stand... gak-all terrain on the table, just 2 pieces of low foam that served only to speedbump me and literally nothing else... I should have turned around there and then but didn't want to be rude, figured feth it should be a good challenge, lets roll some dice, the guy lives around the corner from me, maybe this is all he's got to work with let's try make this work. He'd already set up his side of the board including a fortification, so i just rolled with it
he insisted we set up 12" off the board.... there's like a 50" no man's land between us (I know because my Tyrannofex Rupture Cannon couldn't hit his Knight standing each on the DZ line).. I brought some gribblies and I'm like dude I don't even think I can fit my army on this narrow ass table lol... he responds, "then you have to reserve or lose anything you can't fit on the board"...
i didn't think i'd need to bring my rulebook, turns out he doesn't have one, so no objectives, he's like "its fine lets just kill each other". Okay, I'm like well, vs pure Knights i may as well just leave my Rippers in the bag lol, he agrees. internal sigh, I get to playing. No idea why I didn't walk out right there, but I thought I'd give this guy a shot.
we get to playing, he's doing shady gak with the rules, speed-mumbling a response to every question I ask, I know he's getting rules wrong I try point out mistakes he's making and can't even understand this guys responses, but it's clear he disagrees, and everytime I try pull up the rules he's really impatient... at this point I'm like feth it, I just want to get out of here, so I don't push the point...
a couple of turns in and I'm somehow winning against this abysmal player even with all this bs, as he sat in his deployment zone with 70" range gunning at stuff as it advanced. I've killed an Armiger, nearly finished a Crusader, and have wounds on a Castellen... he kills my warlord flyrant, declares STW, and starts tallying up his killpoints so far. I'm like... dude, I thought we were just killing things? You want to play kill points when you have 5 units and I have 20? How is that even a match? He responds "most armies have trouble with it mate"
I sigh again, this time externally, he decides to call "lunch break"... I use this break as an excuse that my time is running real low I'm gonna have to call it... it's not very believable and i didn't really sell the lie at all, but this guy has zero social awareness at all so I doubt he realised, he was zero'd in on the match anyway.
I had graciously conceded the match, I start packing up, he starts asking me how many games I've played so far in 8th, how many I won, I politely start tallying them up for him and give a rough estimate of my amount of wins as I pack, he sharply interjects "well you didn't win this one". At this point I'm just astonished, though I keep a poker face, and politely thank him for the game, while he's trying to add together the points of units he's killed for god knows what reason, I smile and wish him a great day and make my escape.
In hindsight I should have been a little sharper, but it was meant to be a friendly match and this guy was young, I didn't want to be too rough, but it's whatever. One of the worst experiences I've had with this game, but taught me a lesson in organizing and verifying certain things a bit better.
Also, his house had a bloody strong scent of toejam and the room we were in had one locked window and no curtain with the sun beating down. The guy audibly farted near the end of the match too. I was polite as it was his house and his gf was home, but the guy attends my local, I couldn't care less about the game itself as it was a mockery of 40k, but if he starts skiting about it as I suspect he will, I will say exactly what happened and he'll be in for a world of embarrassment, if he even has the social capable of feeling it.
I gotta laugh at the absurdity of it tbh. This guy just ticked every stereotype.
Holy crap man. That is one of the worst ones I've ever heard. At 15" wide table? HAHA.
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Post by: DominayTrix
 Excommunicatus wrote:I played a game once with a guy who would give his models orders. As in, he'd vocalize pretending to be a commander giving actual orders to actual troops. He even made fake vox-static noises. I thought it was funny at first but he kept it up for six turns, for every single action his models took.
O man this. I understand roleplaying/banter can be fun and adds an extra level to the game, but I cannot stand excessively loud roleplaying. Things like saying "emperor protects " whenever you roll armor saves or praising the emperor when you beat math is awesome. Smacktalk like telling me you are going to throw some fish on the grill when your hellhound is in range of my firewarriors makes the game so much more interesting. However, this is all ruined when it is screamed instead of spoken or spammed constantly.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Excommunicatus wrote:I played a game once with a guy who would give his models orders. As in, he'd vocalize pretending to be a commander giving actual orders to actual troops. He even made fake vox-static noises. I thought it was funny at first but he kept it up for six turns, for every single action his models took.
Sounds like he could be a good GM for Dark Heresy or Only War.
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Post by: Xenomancers
Probably the most annoying game I ever played was at a tournament in 4th eddition.
Was playing against a necron army that set up in the middle of the board with something like 30 warriors stacked on top of each other and a Ctan Nightbringinger flanking up the side with scarabs. I was running a really fluffy crimson fist army with 3 dreads and Kantor with some marines.
My only chance was my orbitial bombardment. So I dropped it turn 1 and got a perfect hit on the huge stacked structure. By the rules at that time it should hit every model underneath the template (which woulda been like 25ish warriors). He's trying to argue that it only hits the guys it can see which was like 2. I couldn't find a judge so I agreed to a roll off - lost it ofc.
Then somehow I am in combat with scarabs turn 1 with my dread...with scarabs....This should have been impossible but I was basically so pissed about the orbital I didn't care anymore.
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Post by: ValentineGames
I think having my models thrown against the wall by a hyper competitive tournament player who proudly bragged always coming top 3 for 6 years was annoying.
Just because I beat him with an EXTREMELY casual guard list taking no more than 10 casualties...twice...
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Post by: Jidmah
 Vasarto wrote:I haven't played since 5th edition and have no real plans to play ever again really. I just like to do painting and modeling and stuff. BUT, once during the last ard boys tournaments, I was playing my orks against an eldar player and he was a real Rules Lawyer, and counted, pointed at me and made sure I was looking at his fingures each time he counted something which was always him counting in "french". Every single time I did something that involved special rules, like adding Ghazghkull Thraka to Snikrots party outside of combat and sneaking him on the backboard, he would stop the game and ask the judge for rule clarification and even fought some of the rulings several times.
I swear, getting rid of the snikrot independant character cheat was the worst mistake for Orks and I will never play the game again until they allow him to bring independent characters with him again. It basically permanently ruined the game for me since all I like to play is orks, and my army is heavy commandos which is what made the game super fun for me. But I digress.....A rules lawyer who stops the game several times and makes sure you are actively looking at his fingers as he counts out in front of your face with his fingers, counting in french each time he counts something....and I mean ANYTHING...ever....since...thing.
You do realize that that Thrakka+Snikrotthing was mostly a rules glitch combined with a weird FAQ answer, right?
Considering the leaked stratagem, you can deep strike kommandoz, snikrot and Thrakka in one place with the new codex, so start dusting off your models!  Automatically Appended Next Post:  some bloke wrote:Sloppy movers. I don't know whether they are trying to cheat, or just think that moving is an annoying middle-man to shooting and assault, but when people move their models an extra half inch, practically throwing them in the direction of the tape measure to gain some distance, It bugs me.
This one is funny. When playing orks have been asked to both not measure and move everything precisely to speed up and to measure every single model accurately in order to not get an advantage when assaulting... once even in the same game, by the same guy.
In general, for horde units, I measure the first models accurately and just thumb the rest of them. In most cases, it doesn't really matter for those models.
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Post by: backlash13
HuskyWarhammer wrote:Oh, so many things...
-People who don't know the rules and feel cheated when you follow them (e.g., I had a friend who thought piling in wasn't a real part of melee and became upset). I mean, we all forget or make mistakes, but there's a certain level of base game knowledge that's necessary.
UGH! It's even worse when it is something that penalises them. Had to kindly point out a few times to different people that the wording is "more than 9 inches away", so no your scions cant rapid fire me, or claim the pick the highest damage for melta guns.
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Post by: Jidmah
To add some of my own:
At one store there was one kid (around 10 years old, I was over 20 at that time) which played blood angels during 5th. He was dropped off there by his parents at noon and picked up again when the store closed, so he was there ALL THE TIME. I saw him play some other guy and he was basically playing army men - making noises and declaring that his made-up weapon just shot something his opponent had dead without rolling. So I decided to dodge playing him, and played some other players.
In the middle of one game he started setting up his blood angel terminators and sanguine guard on our table and declared that he would be joining the game. He rolled some shots and then left the table to talk to some of his friends. I picked up his models and sat them on the side of the table so they wouldn't be in the way and wouldn't get damaged by someone accidentally knocking them down or something.
He then returned some time later and asked me with a sad face whether all his marines were dead. I told him yes. He then wanted to know how that happened. I told him that our game was on the a moon without air and that any hit roll of six would cause an air leak and immediately kill the model, while pointing to my shoota boyz. He packed up and then complained to his kid friends how the orks had murdered all his blood angels on the moon and how they wouldn't have stood a chance on Earth.
Another player at the same store was known for playing eldar. He was the local champion at that time and the store rule were that you could add +1 to an attribute of any of your models whenever you won a tournament. Of course, his fikkin' Edrad was nigh invulnerable with 2++ and T8. But that's not the annoying part about him. Whenever he talked, he would do so loudly, you could hear him anywhere in the store - and he talked a lot. You could basically write a battle report of his games without even going into the back room to have a look at his game.
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Post by: Ratius
He then returned some time later and asked me with a sad face whether all his marines were dead. I told him yes. He then wanted to know how that happened. I told him that our game was on the a moon without air and that any hit roll of six would cause an air leak and immediately kill the model, while pointing to my shoota boyz. He packed up and then complained to his kid friends how the orks had murdered all his blood angels on the moon and how they wouldn't have stood a chance on Earth.
Hahaha, terrific stuff.
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Post by: the_scotsman
 backlash13 wrote:HuskyWarhammer wrote:Oh, so many things...
-People who don't know the rules and feel cheated when you follow them (e.g., I had a friend who thought piling in wasn't a real part of melee and became upset). I mean, we all forget or make mistakes, but there's a certain level of base game knowledge that's necessary.
UGH! It's even worse when it is something that penalises them. Had to kindly point out a few times to different people that the wording is "more than 9 inches away", so no your scions cant rapid fire me, or claim the pick the highest damage for melta guns.
Did you also point out that you have to be within 6" for melta range..?
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Post by: backlash13
the_scotsman wrote: backlash13 wrote:HuskyWarhammer wrote:Oh, so many things...
-People who don't know the rules and feel cheated when you follow them (e.g., I had a friend who thought piling in wasn't a real part of melee and became upset). I mean, we all forget or make mistakes, but there's a certain level of base game knowledge that's necessary.
UGH! It's even worse when it is something that penalises them. Had to kindly point out a few times to different people that the wording is "more than 9 inches away", so no your scions cant rapid fire me, or claim the pick the highest damage for melta guns.
Did you also point out that you have to be within 6" for melta range..?
I may have misremembered this story 
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Post by: the_scotsman
backlash13 wrote:the_scotsman wrote: backlash13 wrote:HuskyWarhammer wrote:Oh, so many things...
-People who don't know the rules and feel cheated when you follow them (e.g., I had a friend who thought piling in wasn't a real part of melee and became upset). I mean, we all forget or make mistakes, but there's a certain level of base game knowledge that's necessary.
UGH! It's even worse when it is something that penalises them. Had to kindly point out a few times to different people that the wording is "more than 9 inches away", so no your scions cant rapid fire me, or claim the pick the highest damage for melta guns.
Did you also point out that you have to be within 6" for melta range..?
I may have misremembered this story
"no, see, that's a 9..."
"you've got the book upside down."
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Post by: backlash13
the_scotsman wrote: backlash13 wrote:the_scotsman wrote: backlash13 wrote:HuskyWarhammer wrote:Oh, so many things...
-People who don't know the rules and feel cheated when you follow them (e.g., I had a friend who thought piling in wasn't a real part of melee and became upset). I mean, we all forget or make mistakes, but there's a certain level of base game knowledge that's necessary.
UGH! It's even worse when it is something that penalises them. Had to kindly point out a few times to different people that the wording is "more than 9 inches away", so no your scions cant rapid fire me, or claim the pick the highest damage for melta guns.
Did you also point out that you have to be within 6" for melta range..?
I may have misremembered this story
"no, see, that's a 9..."
"you've got the book upside down."
Honestly....some of the players at my store, could be possible.
Ended up being the "bad guy" for trying to tell them that yes....a -1 to hit on a plasma overcharging means a roll of a 2 kills the bearer. Oooh man, they weren't happy
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Post by: mhalko1
gwarsh41 wrote:People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.
Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.
I agree, but theres a difference in terms of losing and getting curb stomped. I can lose but if I get list tailored and tabled turn 2, im not gonna be happy. Had a game in 7th...I play orks ( so you know this story is going downhill already) He put the triple demolisher formation on the table knowing I had brought orks that day. Another guy asked specifically to play against me and my orks. He asked me to bring a stompa so he could put the Tau KX139 on the board. I already knew that thing was OP and I refused the game only to have him get upset and pissy. If you asked to play against Orks in 7th, you knew something was up... TFG.
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Post by: darkcloak
Recently went to an X-Wing tourney, a sort of send off for proper X-Wing. Brought my dual Phantom list, Buzzsaw Whisper and RecSpec Echo, no blocker. Proudly displayed my list while waiting for the thing to begin. No one else had written a list yet...
Funny that the other three guys (X-Wing is very dead) decided to play "fun" lists with Harpoon & GC spam...
"Oh sorry man, Phantoms aren't very good anymore huh?"
Well... Maybe if I wasn't hard countered all day by tailored lists you'd know why Phantoms were once considered broken.
Not sad to see X-Wing go, really. When I ran the club you had to have your list in the day before the event to prevent this very thing.
In truth, everyone annoys me, all the time. I'm not really sure why I enjoy playing these games but I do. Perhaps to remind myself why I settle for a very simple work-sleep-work-hobby routine...
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Lol, one guy even tried to get me to take a blocker! Actually told me I wouldn't stand a chance without an Academy TIE!
I'm like, dude, have you ever flown this list? Do you think one Academy TIE is going to somehow save me from multiple Harpoon barrages?
Just to give some perspective here, I got into the top 50 at regionals two years ago with almost the exact same list, having never flown it before. Having never even been to a tournament of that scale before! And top 50 out of 100 or so players is pretty damned good for a rookie playing a high skill list. So it ain't like I didn't know what I was doing!
But alas, I should have known better than to assemble my ships before the event...
Oh well. X-Wing rant off.
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Post by: SHUPPET
So you tried to take something extremely broken and complained that your opponent's didn't take fun lists to deal with it? I don't like list tailoring at all but that one sounds a little like a two way street....
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Post by: Adeptus Doritos
Here's a new one.
Me, my five friends working on creating a narrative Kill-Team campaign. We meet up one afternoon at the FLGS to grab some stuff. We're deliberately playing fast and loose with the rules to create a story, just to make things fun and interesting.
In comes 'the guy' that can't understand this simple concept of 'playing for fun', because he's a net-listing game-breaker that gloats about his 'win' as if it required more skill than Google and disposable income.
He asks what we're doing when we're sitting down and writing out some notes and rolling up some names. I didn't have the proper hand signals for "Do not tell this guy anything he will ruin it". No, really- this guy can't even play D&D without being competitive with the party. He's the type of guy that GM's to kill the party and brags about it.
One of our group tells him we're meeting at a place and playing this narrative campaign. The rest of us are staring at our friend like he's just given a convicted felon the keys to all of our houses and a list of all of our valuables.
Ever wanted to take one of your friends out back, and with tears streaking down your face, tell him to just look at the flowers? I have. If you understand that reference, you'll know what I mean.
Well, it's too late. Competitive dude shows up and starts trying to dictate what the Narrative SHOULD be. And what his army SHOULD have. What the rest of us SHOULD be limited to. And what terrain we SHOULD buy.
He's not even brought a few sodas or beers and he's eating half of our snacks and trying to tell us how our campaign should run. That he's contributed nothing to, other than his models.
So, I decide it's time to be a jerk.
Rule number one is that all Specialists must be and must be modeled or converted in such a way that they stand out from a standard unit of the same type. They must be unique.
He's displeased at this, and starts trying to- I kid you not- convince us to not even use specialists at all. He doesn't want to start chopping up his models or building new things, he wants to use the same Imperial Guard models he's had for 10 years. He doesn't even like the idea of painting the edge of their base a different color.
At this point, everyone is just like, "Okay, either you're playing here as a guest with us in our campaign or you can go somewhere else and play it your way, these are the requirements we agreed to before you came to play."
This took place a week or so ago.
I step into the FLGS today for some paint and terrain, and the first words out of someone else's mouth: "What's this I'm hearing from [COMPETITIVE GUY] that you and [friends] are telling people they have to give you models and pay to play on your table at your house?"
Moral of the story- house games are for friends. Leave the chaff and the social liabilities at the FLGS.
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Post by: vaklor4
The local gaming community I find is as catty as highschool girls. Plenty of people (including the store owner) talk crap about a couple players (not going into specifics because it'd just turn into a rant), but when I actually meet and play with the other people, they're totally fine.
'That guy' is in the eye of the beholder in my experience.
That being said Doritos, that guy sounds like a royal dorkbag.
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AD, that player sounds fething TERRIBLE.
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Post by: SHUPPET
 Adeptus Doritos wrote:Here's a new one.
Me, my five friends working on creating a narrative Kill-Team campaign. We meet up one afternoon at the FLGS to grab some stuff. We're deliberately playing fast and loose with the rules to create a story, just to make things fun and interesting.
In comes 'the guy' that can't understand this simple concept of 'playing for fun', because he's a net-listing game-breaker that gloats about his 'win' as if it required more skill than Google and disposable income.
He asks what we're doing when we're sitting down and writing out some notes and rolling up some names. I didn't have the proper hand signals for "Do not tell this guy anything he will ruin it". No, really- this guy can't even play D&D without being competitive with the party. He's the type of guy that GM's to kill the party and brags about it.
One of our group tells him we're meeting at a place and playing this narrative campaign. The rest of us are staring at our friend like he's just given a convicted felon the keys to all of our houses and a list of all of our valuables.
Ever wanted to take one of your friends out back, and with tears streaking down your face, tell him to just look at the flowers? I have. If you understand that reference, you'll know what I mean.
Well, it's too late. Competitive dude shows up and starts trying to dictate what the Narrative SHOULD be. And what his army SHOULD have. What the rest of us SHOULD be limited to. And what terrain we SHOULD buy.
He's not even brought a few sodas or beers and he's eating half of our snacks and trying to tell us how our campaign should run. That he's contributed nothing to, other than his models.
So, I decide it's time to be a jerk.
Rule number one is that all Specialists must be and must be modeled or converted in such a way that they stand out from a standard unit of the same type. They must be unique.
He's displeased at this, and starts trying to- I kid you not- convince us to not even use specialists at all. He doesn't want to start chopping up his models or building new things, he wants to use the same Imperial Guard models he's had for 10 years. He doesn't even like the idea of painting the edge of their base a different color.
At this point, everyone is just like, "Okay, either you're playing here as a guest with us in our campaign or you can go somewhere else and play it your way, these are the requirements we agreed to before you came to play."
This took place a week or so ago.
I step into the FLGS today for some paint and terrain, and the first words out of someone else's mouth: "What's this I'm hearing from [COMPETITIVE GUY] that you and [friends] are telling people they have to give you models and pay to play on your table at your house?"
Moral of the story- house games are for friends. Leave the chaff and the social liabilities at the FLGS.
I was initially going to say that winning at a competitive level does take more skill than Googling a list, but then I listened to the story and realised that it sounds like that's probably all that guy has the intelligence for.
What. A. dill weed.
Especially love the B.S.ing about you behind your back after you guys gave him a chance to come along out of courtesy and he did everything he could to trash it.
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One of my favorite parts of DakkaDakka is seeing what creative ways people can think up substituting real swear words 
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Post by: darkcloak
SHUPPET wrote:So you tried to take something extremely broken and complained that your opponent's didn't take fun lists to deal with it? I don't like list tailoring at all but that one sounds a little like a two way street....
Extremely broken? I am just going to laugh at that. Have you ever flown Dual Phantoms? I'm guessing you've only heard about them from salty old FlyCas grognards who were pissed their Fat Han finally had a counter.
It has been a long damn time since Dual Phantoms were anything but a fun, swingy list that was either going melt faces or die instantly.
You take that list, at 84 points, to ANY tournament and then tell me they are 'extremely broken' and I'll show you a liar.
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Post by: Adeptus Doritos
SHUPPET wrote:I was initially going to say that winning at a competitive level does take more skill than Googling a list, but then I listened to the story and realised that it sounds like that's probably all that guy has the intelligence for.
And I would 100% agree, in cases where it is several competitive players. But when you are THE only competitive player around most of the time, Google and Chinacast models are easy-win.
SHUPPET wrote:Especially love the B.S.ing about you behind your back after you guys gave him a chance to come along out of courtesy and he did everything he could to trash it.
Yeah, and this is why we have EXTREMELY strict protocol about who plays. We move the tables from house to house, and since my place has 3 bedrooms and me by my lonesome, the master bedroom is a great gaming room (why use a big room like that when all I need in a bedroom is a bed and a nightstand, right?). The fact that I set up a kegerator and tap it with my own money and don't ask a dime, and that this dude came over and didn't offer anything to the group was a slap in my face. Then afterward he smeared us.
If this was the FLGS I part-timed at, he'd be banned. Hell, I might ban him from the one I work at. Boss has a strict no-drama policy.
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 vaklor4 wrote:That being said Doritos, that guy sounds like a royal dorkbag.
Oh, I've known this guy long enough- I could probably dedicate an entire TFG thread to him.
He tends to phase in and out of the meta, come back 'better' but then get right back into his old habits. Literally every single friend he's invited to the FLGS has been banned, too- from everything ranging to shoplifting models to selling stolen M:tG cards in the parking lot. One of his 'mature, laid back' friends showed up high on... well I don't know what it was but I'd love to have some of it myself as long as someone chained me to a radiator and let me enjoy the ride.
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Post by: darkcloak
There is probably a thread somewhere on the toxic sludge FFG calls a forum about the WAAC guy who brought Dual Phantoms to a funsies tournament. Probably penned by some lackwit T-65 fanboy on a sticky keyboard...
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Post by: SHUPPET
 darkcloak wrote: SHUPPET wrote:So you tried to take something extremely broken and complained that your opponent's didn't take fun lists to deal with it? I don't like list tailoring at all but that one sounds a little like a two way street....
Extremely broken? I am just going to laugh at that. Have you ever flown Dual Phantoms? I'm guessing you've only heard about them from salty old FlyCas grognards who were pissed their Fat Han finally had a counter.
It has been a long damn time since Dual Phantoms were anything but a fun, swingy list that was either going melt faces or die instantly.
You take that list, at 84 points, to ANY tournament and then tell me they are 'extremely broken' and I'll show you a liar.
I literally know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about, this is a 40k forum. You simply said in your own post that if they didn't counter it you'd be able to see why people think they are so broken, and then complained that they countered it, and that their lists weren't "fun" lists. Hence why I said, this one sounds a little bit like a two way street, mate...
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Oh, the snippet about 'if I hadn't been hard countered'?
Well then yeah I would have had a chance to show what Phantoms can do beyond whiff all their greens and take 4 damage + 1 on the next guy...
It's a swingy list even in the most casual setting. You can win big or lose big depending on the dice.
Also, if you... don't know anything about X-Wing then how do you know Phantoms are extremely broken? See, I knew a Fat Han player told you that!
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Post by: Stormonu
Slow play, sore losers and obvious cheaters get my goat. Unfortunately, I've faced all three in one opponent and I avoid playing with that individual if I can - to the point when he's invited over for games I suddenly find myself late for an appointment elsewhere.
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Post by: zerosignal
I think a lot of these situations could probably be resolved with some honest conversation.
About the only annoying experience I've had is being heckled when I was trying to not lose the 4th game in a row at my 40th birthday holiday at WHW. I guess it was funny to my friends, but for me it was my last chance to regain some pride by not being beaten by a Killa Kanz list... :(
During the actual night of my 40th, my friends were amazingly generous, buying all the drinks etc... the next morning I found out one of the lads had filled my leather coat pockets with salt, and the lining had bust, so I had a coat full of salt.
I was emptying it out for about three weeks after... XD
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Post by: the_scotsman
mhalko1 wrote: gwarsh41 wrote:People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.
Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.
I agree, but theres a difference in terms of losing and getting curb stomped. I can lose but if I get list tailored and tabled turn 2, im not gonna be happy. Had a game in 7th...I play orks ( so you know this story is going downhill already) He put the triple demolisher formation on the table knowing I had brought orks that day. Another guy asked specifically to play against me and my orks. He asked me to bring a stompa so he could put the Tau KX139 on the board. I already knew that thing was OP and I refused the game only to have him get upset and pissy. If you asked to play against Orks in 7th, you knew something was up... TFG.
reminds me of the time in 7th I was in a campaign league so I had to play a person I usually avoided because I knew he was notorious for tailoring his list to a cartoonish degree (he had an imperial guard collection that was enormously vast with every weapon on his HWTs and LRs magnetized, so if he knew what army you were playing he'd show up with a completely tailored list against it, his defense being that he "gives and expects no quarter and he hopes his opponent does the same")
Knowing this I decided to test the waters, we ended up matched together and I said "my orks are ready to go!" Then I made a list no person in their right mind could complain about - a stompa, 5 deff dreads, 3 killa kanz and a few big meks, with minimum squads of gretchin filling the troop choice. Any TAC list would have taken my list apart.
luckily, as it turned out I was up against 5 leman russ punishers with HB sponsons, several triple HB heavy weapon squads, several all-flamer special weapons squads and naked lasgun infantry all in a fortified trenchline. Not a single weapon that could strip a HP off of av12.
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Post by: Scott-S6
Excessively slow players.
I'm thinking of one in particular here - over an hour to deploy a necromunda gang, four hour games of blood bowl. 40K was an ordeal...
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Post by: Dr. Mills
The most annoying for me, is being tarred with the same brush as other players using the same army.
I run custodes. Pure Custodes. No FW or bikes either. In the big FLGS bear me, the the custodes players are hyper competitive with bikes, Telemon Dreads, guard CP batteries, the works.
And there's me with Allarus Terminators, mixed guard squads and even a Venerable Contemptor Dread. They look shocked!
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Post by: ServiceGames
vaklor4 wrote:One of my favorite parts of DakkaDakka is seeing what creative ways people can think up substituting real swear words
I like to use smurf... like, I can't smurfin believe you smurfin did that you mother smurfer!
SG
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Post by: Avatar 720
 Dr. Mills wrote:The most annoying for me, is being tarred with the same brush as other players using the same army.
I run custodes. Pure Custodes. No FW or bikes either. In the big FLGS bear me, the the custodes players are hyper competitive with bikes, Telemon Dreads, guard CP batteries, the works.
And there's me with Allarus Terminators, mixed guard squads and even a Venerable Contemptor Dread. They look shocked!
I got that when I started Necrons when their new Codex dropped at the end of 5th. I'd liked the idea of them for ages, but they always seemed so... flavourless and one-dimensional, so when they got redone I jumped on them. The first comment I got was someone I'd played before--and never won against--saying "Oh you've seen that they're strong so you're buying Necrons now?" after he lost to a Necron force, as well as general annoyance that I used them from other players. And yes, being a codex made for 6th edition and also strong in its own right, Necrons were a force to be reckoned with if you stocked up on Wraiths and flying Croissants... Which I didn't. Not a single flier or Wraith in my army. No special characters, no Spyder/Scarab spam, nothing that *really* made Necrons supreme at the time. The closest to that I got were having 2 Annihilation Barges and a Mindshackle CCB.
Hell, after a while we were having a discussion about netlists in the store, and the same guy who got snarky when I started the army even used it as an example of a list that's fun to play against because it's not just a netlist or super OP.
(That said, considering my armies until then had been CSM from 4th-6th, and Eldar & Tau from 5th-6th, I think I'd earned the right to play something a little more effective. Unfortunately, I quit before my Tau and Eldar got their 6th editions.)
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Dr. Mills wrote:The most annoying for me, is being tarred with the same brush as other players using the same army.
I run custodes. Pure Custodes. No FW or bikes either. In the big FLGS bear me, the the custodes players are hyper competitive with bikes, Telemon Dreads, guard CP batteries, the works.
And there's me with Allarus Terminators, mixed guard squads and even a Venerable Contemptor Dread. They look shocked!
Quite honestly it's that sort of knee jerk reaction people have to certain armies that has pushed me away from a lot of things. There is nothing like getting excited about a new army project only to have it all blown up by witnessing how dang mad people get over even thinking about running that faction.
Hell I got recommended not to start a Black Templars army at an old FLGS just because one player was a super fan of them and would basically flip his gak over other people playing them.....despite never playing them himself.
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Post by: vaklor4
 ClockworkZion wrote: Dr. Mills wrote:The most annoying for me, is being tarred with the same brush as other players using the same army.
I run custodes. Pure Custodes. No FW or bikes either. In the big FLGS bear me, the the custodes players are hyper competitive with bikes, Telemon Dreads, guard CP batteries, the works.
And there's me with Allarus Terminators, mixed guard squads and even a Venerable Contemptor Dread. They look shocked!
Quite honestly it's that sort of knee jerk reaction people have to certain armies that has pushed me away from a lot of things. There is nothing like getting excited about a new army project only to have it all blown up by witnessing how dang mad people get over even thinking about running that faction.
Hell I got recommended not to start a Black Templars army at an old FLGS just because one player was a super fan of them and would basically flip his gak over other people playing them.....despite never playing them himself.
Can attest. The girlfriend of one of our players has a necrons army and despite barely ever playing, got super defensive when any one of us thought about trying the army out.
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Post by: IronBrand
vaklor4 wrote:Can attest. The girlfriend of one of our players has a necrons army and despite barely ever playing, got super defensive when any one of us thought about trying the army out.
I can sort of understand being a bit disappointed if you feel like someone is pushing in on "your thing" but it's almost always a stupid reaction. If it's a powerful army then people will already be playing it. If it just got updated and people want to try it out and someone carries on about how they liked it before it was FOTM they can feth off. If they're starting because they like the army just like you, chat about what you both like about it. The only time I can really see it as justified is if you beat them in a game then they show up next week with a newly built army of your faction with striking similarities to your list.
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Post by: Tibs Ironblood
the_scotsman wrote:mhalko1 wrote: gwarsh41 wrote:People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.
Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.
I agree, but theres a difference in terms of losing and getting curb stomped. I can lose but if I get list tailored and tabled turn 2, im not gonna be happy. Had a game in 7th...I play orks ( so you know this story is going downhill already) He put the triple demolisher formation on the table knowing I had brought orks that day. Another guy asked specifically to play against me and my orks. He asked me to bring a stompa so he could put the Tau KX139 on the board. I already knew that thing was OP and I refused the game only to have him get upset and pissy. If you asked to play against Orks in 7th, you knew something was up... TFG.
reminds me of the time in 7th I was in a campaign league so I had to play a person I usually avoided because I knew he was notorious for tailoring his list to a cartoonish degree (he had an imperial guard collection that was enormously vast with every weapon on his HWTs and LRs magnetized, so if he knew what army you were playing he'd show up with a completely tailored list against it, his defense being that he "gives and expects no quarter and he hopes his opponent does the same")
Knowing this I decided to test the waters, we ended up matched together and I said "my orks are ready to go!" Then I made a list no person in their right mind could complain about - a stompa, 5 deff dreads, 3 killa kanz and a few big meks, with minimum squads of gretchin filling the troop choice. Any TAC list would have taken my list apart.
luckily, as it turned out I was up against 5 leman russ punishers with HB sponsons, several triple HB heavy weapon squads, several all-flamer special weapons squads and naked lasgun infantry all in a fortified trenchline. Not a single weapon that could strip a HP off of av12.
While I don't like list tailoring and do my absolute best to avoid it, at least the guy you are talking about owns it. He knows he list tailors. He knows you know he list tailors and instead of hiding behind it or making excuses he just straight up says he gives and expects no quarter. He clearly states what kind of game he wants and what kind of game he will provide. That's really not that bad compared the guys who totally list tailor, but say they don't.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
vaklor4 wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: Dr. Mills wrote:The most annoying for me, is being tarred with the same brush as other players using the same army.
I run custodes. Pure Custodes. No FW or bikes either. In the big FLGS bear me, the the custodes players are hyper competitive with bikes, Telemon Dreads, guard CP batteries, the works.
And there's me with Allarus Terminators, mixed guard squads and even a Venerable Contemptor Dread. They look shocked!
Quite honestly it's that sort of knee jerk reaction people have to certain armies that has pushed me away from a lot of things. There is nothing like getting excited about a new army project only to have it all blown up by witnessing how dang mad people get over even thinking about running that faction.
Hell I got recommended not to start a Black Templars army at an old FLGS just because one player was a super fan of them and would basically flip his gak over other people playing them.....despite never playing them himself.
Can attest. The girlfriend of one of our players has a necrons army and despite barely ever playing, got super defensive when any one of us thought about trying the army out.
I've never understood that sort of attitude honestly. Why not want people to join your brotherhood cool club of similar armies? Hell I'd love to see another Imperial Fists player just because tables need more color and the angry lemons bring that visual pop in spades.
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Post by: Adeptus Doritos
ClockworkZion wrote: Dr. Mills wrote:Hell I got recommended not to start a Black Templars army at an old FLGS just because one player was a super fan of them and would basically flip his gak over other people playing them.....despite never playing them himself.
Can attest. The girlfriend of one of our players has a necrons army and despite barely ever playing, got super defensive when any one of us thought about trying the army out.
When people usually see how much I convert my models, this tune quickly changes.
But even the aforementioned Guard player I was speaking about will try to talk everyone out of playing Guard, and gets really butthurt when he sees people using third-party guard units.
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Post by: Tibs Ironblood
Adeptus Doritos wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: Dr. Mills wrote:Hell I got recommended not to start a Black Templars army at an old FLGS just because one player was a super fan of them and would basically flip his gak over other people playing them.....despite never playing them himself.
Can attest. The girlfriend of one of our players has a necrons army and despite barely ever playing, got super defensive when any one of us thought about trying the army out.
When people usually see how much I convert my models, this tune quickly changes.
But even the aforementioned Guard player I was speaking about will try to talk everyone out of playing Guard, and gets really butthurt when he sees people using third-party guard units.
That makes me roll my eyes so hard. Let people play what they want and enjoy what they want. Some people are so silly I can't understand it.
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Post by: Adeptus Doritos
 Tibs Ironblood wrote:That makes me roll my eyes so hard. Let people play what they want and enjoy what they want. Some people are so silly I can't understand it.
You must be new to the hobby, and are an anomaly like me.
If the internet were to be believed, 40k is:
40% whining about other peoples' armies
40% whining about your own army
10% whining about armies that don't even exist
5% modeling
4% painting
1% playing
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Adeptus Doritos wrote: Tibs Ironblood wrote:That makes me roll my eyes so hard. Let people play what they want and enjoy what they want. Some people are so silly I can't understand it.
You must be new to the hobby, and are an anomaly like me.
If the internet were to be believed, 40k is:
40% whining about other peoples' armies
40% whining about your own army
10% whining about armies that don't even exist
5% modeling
4% painting
1% playing
It's also 100% memes.
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I think you're being a little generous here
SG
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I rounded up. I forgot how many zeroes came after the decimal point.
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Post by: Togusa
I've had players get mad at me based off how I build my marines.
Back in 7th, I spent over a two hour game getting constantly made fun of by my opponent, because I brought a devastator squad with 3 Plasma Cannons and a Missile Launcher.
Furthermore he couldn't handle the fact that I made all of my Marine Sargent's the same way, with a Chainsword and a plasma pistol.
This guy was so offended by my choices that he went on about it FOR MONTHS. I'm a pretty patient and nice person, it takes a massive amount of harassment to get anything out of me, otherwise I probably would have smashed his head into the nearest wall. What's even worse, is that I still take a lot of flakk for this kind of stuff. It amazes me how angry people will get when viewing other peoples' choices in a toy game. There is actually a guy at another store who HATES the fact that I run White Scars primaris marines because according to him "You only run Ravenguard, no other tactics exist."
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Post by: Tibs Ironblood
I came here to win and get angry... and I'm already angry.
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Post by: Karol
 Togusa wrote:I've had players get mad at me based off how I build my marines.
Back in 7th, I spent over a two hour game getting constantly made fun of by my opponent, because I brought a devastator squad with 3 Plasma Cannons and a Missile Launcher.
Furthermore he couldn't handle the fact that I made all of my Marine Sargent's the same way, with a Chainsword and a plasma pistol.
This guy was so offended by my choices that he went on about it FOR MONTHS. I'm a pretty patient and nice person, it takes a massive amount of harassment to get anything out of me, otherwise I probably would have smashed his head into the nearest wall. What's even worse, is that I still take a lot of flakk for this kind of stuff. It amazes me how angry people will get when viewing other peoples' choices in a toy game. There is actually a guy at another store who HATES the fact that I run White Scars primaris marines because according to him "You only run Ravenguard, no other tactics exist."
Dont you think that maybe the dude was just making fun of you, instead of being offended? I happens to me a lot of times.
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Post by: Adeptus Doritos
Togusa wrote:I've had players get mad at me based off how I build my marines.
...
There is actually a guy at another store who HATES the fact that I run White Scars primaris marines because according to him "You only run Ravenguard, no other tactics exist."
I can't really think of anyway to say this, other than 'your meta is trash', but the last point seems to be just a friendly joke unless I missed something.
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Post by: Grimtuff
vaklor4 wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: Dr. Mills wrote:The most annoying for me, is being tarred with the same brush as other players using the same army.
I run custodes. Pure Custodes. No FW or bikes either. In the big FLGS bear me, the the custodes players are hyper competitive with bikes, Telemon Dreads, guard CP batteries, the works.
And there's me with Allarus Terminators, mixed guard squads and even a Venerable Contemptor Dread. They look shocked!
Quite honestly it's that sort of knee jerk reaction people have to certain armies that has pushed me away from a lot of things. There is nothing like getting excited about a new army project only to have it all blown up by witnessing how dang mad people get over even thinking about running that faction.
Hell I got recommended not to start a Black Templars army at an old FLGS just because one player was a super fan of them and would basically flip his gak over other people playing them.....despite never playing them himself.
Can attest. The girlfriend of one of our players has a necrons army and despite barely ever playing, got super defensive when any one of us thought about trying the army out.
AKA "black dress syndrome". And, no. I'm not just saying that because it's a girl. It is a phenomenon that spills over into a lot of games, especially ones with only a few factions- "Oh, Grimtuff is collecting faction x. I wanted to collect faction x, now I have to collect faction y.". No you don't.
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Post by: vaklor4
 Grimtuff wrote: vaklor4 wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: Dr. Mills wrote:The most annoying for me, is being tarred with the same brush as other players using the same army.
I run custodes. Pure Custodes. No FW or bikes either. In the big FLGS bear me, the the custodes players are hyper competitive with bikes, Telemon Dreads, guard CP batteries, the works.
And there's me with Allarus Terminators, mixed guard squads and even a Venerable Contemptor Dread. They look shocked!
Quite honestly it's that sort of knee jerk reaction people have to certain armies that has pushed me away from a lot of things. There is nothing like getting excited about a new army project only to have it all blown up by witnessing how dang mad people get over even thinking about running that faction.
Hell I got recommended not to start a Black Templars army at an old FLGS just because one player was a super fan of them and would basically flip his gak over other people playing them.....despite never playing them himself.
Can attest. The girlfriend of one of our players has a necrons army and despite barely ever playing, got super defensive when any one of us thought about trying the army out.
AKA "black dress syndrome". And, no. I'm not just saying that because it's a girl. It is a phenomenon that spills over into a lot of games, especially ones with only a few factions- "Oh, Grimtuff is collecting faction x. I wanted to collect faction x, now I have to collect faction y.". No you don't.
Thing is, 40k has a CRAP LOOOAD of factions, with tons of subfactions within those factions (mostly in the Space Marines, mind.) But even still, I think that just breeds "my special army" syndrome even more.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
Grimtuff wrote: vaklor4 wrote: ClockworkZion wrote: Dr. Mills wrote:The most annoying for me, is being tarred with the same brush as other players using the same army.
I run custodes. Pure Custodes. No FW or bikes either. In the big FLGS bear me, the the custodes players are hyper competitive with bikes, Telemon Dreads, guard CP batteries, the works.
And there's me with Allarus Terminators, mixed guard squads and even a Venerable Contemptor Dread. They look shocked!
Quite honestly it's that sort of knee jerk reaction people have to certain armies that has pushed me away from a lot of things. There is nothing like getting excited about a new army project only to have it all blown up by witnessing how dang mad people get over even thinking about running that faction.
Hell I got recommended not to start a Black Templars army at an old FLGS just because one player was a super fan of them and would basically flip his gak over other people playing them.....despite never playing them himself.
Can attest. The girlfriend of one of our players has a necrons army and despite barely ever playing, got super defensive when any one of us thought about trying the army out.
AKA "black dress syndrome". And, no. I'm not just saying that because it's a girl. It is a phenomenon that spills over into a lot of games, especially ones with only a few factions- "Oh, Grimtuff is collecting faction x. I wanted to collect faction x, now I have to collect faction y.". No you don't.
So it goes both ways then? Chasing people off you your army of choice just the same as not picking other armies because they're too common?
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Post by: Adeptus Doritos
vaklor4 wrote:
Thing is, 40k has a CRAP LOOOAD of factions, with tons of subfactions within those factions (mostly in the Space Marines, mind.) But even still, I think that just breeds "my special army" syndrome even more.
"You play [insert faction] too? Awesome, my guys are task force/watch fortress/special detachment/splinter fleet/whatever [Insert made-up name]."
I don't see how it's too hard for some people.
Hell, I made my own Chapter of Marines and a friend liked them so much, he asked if he could do the same Chapter. So now my fleet-based homebrew chapter has 4 full companies, just in different areas.
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Post by: Jidmah
I just high-fived my scrum master at work today, because I found out the he has 3k points of orks in his basement.
I literally have never met and ork player who didn't want more ork players to have around.
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Post by: B3H0LD3R
Not that it's banned or anything but what annoys me is players who have literally spent hours building a really overpowered list, for example, the guy last week who made his psychic dreadnought fly constantly heal and punch my Eldar flyer to death.
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Post by: ClockworkZion
B3H0LD3R wrote:Not that it's banned or anything but what annoys me is players who have literally spent hours building a really overpowered list, for example, the guy last week who made his psychic dreadnought fly constantly heal and punch my Eldar flyer to death.
I'll be honest, if you lovingly build a stupidly OP list, I'll be less upset than if you show up with some grey plastic or primer chapter Marine nonsense.
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Post by: Galas
 Jidmah wrote:I just high-fived my scrum master at work today, because I found out the he has 3k points of orks in his basement.
I literally have never met and ork player who didn't want more ork players to have around.
But thats because the more ork players in a room, the more powerfull they become.
Is basic biorklogy.
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Post by: Scott-S6
ClockworkZion wrote:
So it goes both ways then? Chasing people off you your army of choice just the same as not picking other armies because they're too common?
Yep, two different manifestations of the same "I want to be special" syndrome.
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Post by: Odrankt
So, I have been playing this guy the past few weeks and while the games have been fun his attitude has been so so. Example: he plays Custodes regularly and when he would beat my Necrons they were "weak and fun to squish". However, if he played his GSC and I beat him with my Necrons than all of a sudden "Necrons are OP and Quantum Shielding is the most broken thing possible."
He does not like to loose btw and when he does lose he tells our Local Gaming group of what went down and how I'm no fun to play. Baring in mind everyone hates his Custodes army and the reason he is playing GSC is cause no one but me would play his toads.
We played 1.5k a few days ago. Turn 1 he was saying to everyone how his new GSC was going to wipe my Necrons and make me want to sell them. Turn 3 come and I lost about 5 warriors (RP rolls were amazing tbf) and he lost about 800pts of his army. Turn 4 he calls it and swears Necrons are more broken than his Custodes. Didn't know losing makes people turn into liars.
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Post by: Hive City Dweller
 Odrankt wrote:
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We played 1.5k a few days ago. Turn 1 he was saying to everyone how his new GSC was going to wipe my Necrons and make me want to sell them. Turn 3 come and I lost about 5 warriors ( RP rolls were amazing tbf) and he lost about 800pts of his army. Turn 4 he calls it and swears Necrons are more broken than his Custodes. Didn't know losing makes people turn into liars.
This guy just sounds like a whiny child. I never understood the "win at all costs" players who get personally offended when they lose, but turn to gloating and putting you down when they're winning. There must be something quite fragile in his ego to be this obnoxious. I ignore guys like that, play with the rest of the group until he gets a little more humble.
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Post by: Karol
 Scott-S6 wrote: ClockworkZion wrote:
So it goes both ways then? Chasing people off you your army of choice just the same as not picking other armies because they're too common?
Yep, two different manifestations of the same "I want to be special" syndrome.
I think it depends, on the place. It maybe the special syndrom, but it may just be lack of stores. For example our store orders a limited number of models. So if 2 or 3 dudes decide to play the same army, there is a good chance that only one will have the proper units on time. I have not expirianced it myself, but I heard stories about how people were taking trips to other cities to buy out those few riptides, so people would either not have them and have bad armies, or have to buy from them at an increase price. Don't know why such a situation happened though. The best explanation I got, was from our store owner, that GW doesn't let store just buy the stuff that sells, and makes them dump money in to kits that stay for years un sold.
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Post by: Odrankt
 Hive City Dweller wrote: Odrankt wrote:
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We played 1.5k a few days ago. Turn 1 he was saying to everyone how his new GSC was going to wipe my Necrons and make me want to sell them. Turn 3 come and I lost about 5 warriors ( RP rolls were amazing tbf) and he lost about 800pts of his army. Turn 4 he calls it and swears Necrons are more broken than his Custodes. Didn't know losing makes people turn into liars.
This guy just sounds like a whiny child. I never understood the "win at all costs" players who get personally offended when they lose, but turn to gloating and putting you down when they're winning. There must be something quite fragile in his ego to be this obnoxious. I ignore guys like that, play with the rest of the group until he gets a little more humble.
He only likes winning via tabling as well e.g. If he won a game via VPs he would feel like his list wasn't as good as he thought. If he doesn't table people he isn't happy and that includes newbs and vets. He likes to win and likes to destroy other people's armies.
I don't mind playing him because I have fun but he hates losing and hates when his expectations were not met. Also, it feels good to beat him. Not many people in our group play him due to his attitude so I take it upon myself to take up his offer and give him what he gives us.
He also suggests he is not WAAC but only plays strong list that won't get tabled. His newer GSC list now has 2 Flyrants and several Zoanthropes (or whichever ones have an anti Pysker field, 3++ an so -1 to hit aura) packed with Cult Ambushing Neos to grab objectives and deny people's movement.
So, he's not a fun person to play but it's fun to play against him when you want to play a kid that throws everything out of the pram when gakk doesn't a swing his way.
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Post by: JNAProductions
Zoanthropes have a 3++ and Shadow in the Warp, but no native -1 to hit.
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Post by: Odrankt
Yeah, so, he is now bringing Zoanthropes and the other Thropes that grant the -1 to hit aura to other Nids.
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Post by: BroodSpawn
Is it wrong to find players that push for tournament-practice games in a group that don't play tournaments annoying?
Like I can deal with TFG's, I can deal with the bad BO (nose is shot but I'll carry a can of deo in my bag just in case), I can even handle bad winners and losers (having been one or the other at some point in time).
But pushing a style of gaming on a group that's predominately (like a 5:1 ratio) not into that style of gaming... that just irks me
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Post by: Scott-S6
 BroodSpawn wrote:Is it wrong to find players that push for tournament-practice games in a group that don't play tournaments annoying?
Like I can deal with TFG's, I can deal with the bad BO (nose is shot but I'll carry a can of deo in my bag just in case), I can even handle bad winners and losers (having been one or the other at some point in time).
But pushing a style of gaming on a group that's predominately (like a 5:1 ratio) not into that style of gaming... that just irks me
As long as they're clear that's what they're asking for then I don't see a problem. Of course they're likely to end up with no-one to play them if the rest of the group isn't interested.
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Post by: IronBrand
BroodSpawn wrote:Is it wrong to find players that push for tournament-practice games in a group that don't play tournaments annoying?
Like I can deal with TFG's, I can deal with the bad BO (nose is shot but I'll carry a can of deo in my bag just in case), I can even handle bad winners and losers (having been one or the other at some point in time).
But pushing a style of gaming on a group that's predominately (like a 5:1 ratio) not into that style of gaming... that just irks me
Asking for it is fine. But if he's the kind of guy who just constantly pesters people to play it when they're clearly not interested he needs to either find another group or compromise and start playing games closer to how the group does. Even if someone relents and agrees to a "tournament practice game" if it's a casual group it'll most likely be a waste of time. A player who doesn't play tournament style and isn't interested in doing so isn't going to be able to effectively simulate a tournament game.
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Post by: vaklor4
BroodSpawn wrote:Is it wrong to find players that push for tournament-practice games in a group that don't play tournaments annoying?
Like I can deal with TFG's, I can deal with the bad BO (nose is shot but I'll carry a can of deo in my bag just in case), I can even handle bad winners and losers (having been one or the other at some point in time).
But pushing a style of gaming on a group that's predominately (like a 5:1 ratio) not into that style of gaming... that just irks me
I have a friend who asks me to run dirty lists with him once in awhile, but on that point I dont entirely see the issue if they ask. If they PESTER constantly, thats one thing. But if you tell them flat out firmly that none of you are interested, they may back off. Be firm, dont suggest.
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Post by: Adeptus Doritos
I mentioned this in another thread- not 40k related at all, but just one of the absolute worst players I've ever encountered in any game ever.
Years ago, a relatively small MMORPG was shut down, but there were private servers out there capable of hosting games for a select few. You had to be invited, never share any links, and everyone was screened. They were trying to avoid the toxic players showing up. I invited a guy I had become friends with a year or so after the game shut down, and the dude was pretty chill... so I invited him, and he knew about it. Well, come to find out he had multiple accounts banned from the original game and was a pretty toxic person. He got declined, and I had to tell him. I had to tell him up front, "Your behavior was unacceptable, and if I would have known some of the things you did on your other accounts I'd have never invited you to begin with. Good luck finding a different server."
He demanded links. I declined. Then it got scary. Not just him, but DOZENS of people published my information online. This guy had a small cult of followers that were just as fethed up as he was, and they came at me and it is quite honestly one of the most harrowing experiences of my life other than actual combat in Afghanistan. Let that sink in.
Workplace, names of my family members, where I lived, my phone number, emails, pictures of my home and vehicles, who I was dating- I had to have a 3-year online blackout and move. It was scary enough that I had a gun with me everywhere I went. I had to jump through hoops and delete a lot of my online work and spend quite a bit of money to clean my tracks. And even through that, I'm sure that the only reason that it stopped was because the dude got caught taking pictures of his stepkids in very disturbing activities (related to the online activities I'd been told he'd done).
This was over a dead MMORPG. And not only that- one that had multiple bootleg private servers out there he could have found.
You just never know who's psycho and how many supporters they have.
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Post by: Karol
Ok, maybe this is me living in a different country, but what is the problem with someone posting the data to begin with. Unless you already did something wrong, and this makes goverment officials or sort of criminals knock at your door, who cares if the data is easy to access. In my country almost every hospital, cable network etc sells people data, if someone wants to know where someone lives and get their data, he just has to pay or know people who have access to it. And if someone is a psycho they are going to get you, no matter if your data is public or not.
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Post by: Adeptus Doritos
Karol wrote:Ok, maybe this is me living in a different country, but what is the problem with someone posting the data to begin with. Unless you already did something wrong, and this makes goverment officials or sort of criminals knock at your door, who cares if the data is easy to access. In my country almost every hospital, cable network etc sells people data, if someone wants to know where someone lives and get their data, he just has to pay or know people who have access to it. And if someone is a psycho they are going to get you, no matter if your data is public or not.
Because in the USA we have a reasonable expectation of privacy. To get that information from the government, you do have to go through red tape- and you can't get it just because you want it.
Also, I'm pretty sure there's a difference between salespersons and a bunch of angry weird pedos trying to find out where your nieces and nephews live. (I'm not being hyperbolic, that's exactly what kind of people we're talking about- "It's not a real girl, it's a video game avatar, it's not like REAL pedophilia!")
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Post by: Slipspace
Karol wrote:Ok, maybe this is me living in a different country, but what is the problem with someone posting the data to begin with. Unless you already did something wrong, and this makes goverment officials or sort of criminals knock at your door, who cares if the data is easy to access. In my country almost every hospital, cable network etc sells people data, if someone wants to know where someone lives and get their data, he just has to pay or know people who have access to it. And if someone is a psycho they are going to get you, no matter if your data is public or not.
The problem was pretty well explained already and demonstrated by Adeptus Doritos's experience.
Also, if your country flag is correct and you are from Poland the selling of personal data should now be illegal under EU law after the introduction of GDPR. Additionally, EU law provides a right to privacy, which is one of the reasons GDPR was introduced. The idea that someone will get you, regardless of the privacy of your data, is debateable. Making data easier to access increases the pool of people able to go full on psycho if they choose.
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Post by: Northern85Star
Annoying players are those who are too eager to win, completely forgetting that the dice has a will of their own - and that we are basically playing with toys.
-players who are not “open”: these guys doesnt want you to know about their army, so that you dont have the information you need to take good decisions.
-players who thinks the best games are the ones where they crush their enemy completely: they have no sense for actual drama, they dont want close calls. The best games are close, because these games are enjoyable for both sides, but these guys are unempathetic and self-centered, and thus cannot see that. Basically, they are [insert name of tyrant, Hitler etc].
-players who cheat. Nothing to add here.
-players who are not loyal. These players will switch army all the time, because they have no love for their faction - they just want the most powerful stuff out there. This also ensures that the opponent will not be used to playing against whatever army he is fielding, so opponents will not learn any of his armies. These players actually exist, and they finance their shifting armies through ebay. If they field the same faction, they change it completely - because we cant have an opponent making informative decisions.
It all boils that to players with premature minds and an unrealistic take on what they are doing: playing a game with toys in which random chance is a big factor. These players have their pathological behaviour enhanced by a disproportionate amount of any geeky community being submissive, and if they encounter a guy who is not... well, get the popcorn ready, because you rarely see dramaqueens like these!
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