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Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 03:37:50


Post by: Eonfuzz


Guess what crew, It's time to hype up ORKTOBER!

Lets get some ORKTOBER release predictions in here


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 03:39:34


Post by: Ginjitzu


Is this really a thing again this year? I haven't heard anything about it.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 03:45:13


Post by: Eonfuzz


 Ginjitzu wrote:
Is this really a thing again this year? I haven't heard anything about it.


What are you talking about?
ORKTOBER was hyped up to level 11 last year, why would they stop it now?


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 03:47:24


Post by: BrianDavion


I'm gonna predict sisters of battle.. PAINTED GREEN


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 03:48:22


Post by: Eonfuzz


I'm SO excited, I'm hoping GW responds to my hyped questions about ORKTOBER!!

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Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 03:49:48


Post by: Mmmpi


Nope, this year it's going to be "All Saints Day Sisters"




While I'm hoping it's true, I've got nothing to back it up.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 04:08:43


Post by: Da Butcha


Kromlech is picking up the Orktober banna and waving it really hard!


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 04:16:43


Post by: casvalremdeikun


Disappointment. Just like last year.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 05:07:13


Post by: Apple Peel


S’eptember or Necrovember, anyone?


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 06:02:59


Post by: tneva82


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Disappointment. Just like last year.


So speed freaks boxed set, codex and like 5 new kits was dissapointment? What on earth people were expecting....not happy before you get 50 new kits in a month?


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 06:07:27


Post by: BrianDavion


tneva82 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Disappointment. Just like last year.


So speed freaks boxed set, codex and like 5 new kits was dissapointment? What on earth people were expecting....not happy before you get 50 new kits in a month?


yeah except the units those kits where for weren't breaking the game, upsetting the meta, any good, etc.

people tend to focus on other factions getting something, anything, but when they get something tend to shrug it off if it isn't made of pure awesome. it's human nature.

and I can in the case of Ork players understand it, new stuff is so far and few that if they get a buncha new stuff and it doesn't radicly change their army well.. they know that could be it for YEARS.

meanwhile space marine players, even just IoM or chaos in general, know that new updates are only a bit off. this has gotten especially bad for players of xenos etc when 6th/7th introduced allies. and IoM could take a little bit of everything, even though many IoM players run pure, they feel a bit salty because we have the option to take all this cool stuff



Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 06:17:06


Post by: hotsauceman1


Not every October is Orktober.
No rumor engines point to orks or any ilk, and they got a decent release last year so ehh.
Personally, other than sister, we are lilely done with 40k for the year, rest will be AOS and specialist games


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 06:18:03


Post by: BrianDavion


I tend to agree, the rest of the year for 40k will be sisters, the marine supplements (and accompanying models) and the christmas bundles


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 06:39:07


Post by: Elbows


Regardless of what comes out, the Ork players will bitch. That's my prediction.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 06:39:16


Post by: Not Online!!!


I'd like plastic grot tanks with decent rules


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 06:41:20


Post by: Elbows


Not Online!!! --- have you considered the rather popular "Meng" toon tanks? They're dirt cheap and with a little kit bashing are very decent.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 06:56:30


Post by: Not Online!!!


 Elbows wrote:
Not Online!!! --- have you considered the rather popular "Meng" toon tanks? They're dirt cheap and with a little kit bashing are very decent.


My Ork days were over in 6th, i was ofcourse joking for the sake of a joke but now you got me interested
.

Serves me right


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 07:29:59


Post by: Nithaniel


 Eonfuzz wrote:
Guess what crew, It's time to hype up ORKTOBER!

Lets get some ORKTOBER release predictions in here


Thank you for this post! It genuinely made me chuckle.

We should hype this up all over their fb page and make it a THING every year.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 08:05:29


Post by: Excommunicatus


 Eonfuzz wrote:
 Ginjitzu wrote:
Is this really a thing again this year? I haven't heard anything about it.


What are you talking about?
ORKTOBER was hyped up to level 11 last year, why would they stop it now?


They got a new book last year. This year they didn't.

Simples.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 08:23:36


Post by: BrianDavion


honestly I think 90% of the Orktober hype was fan created.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 08:45:55


Post by: Dakka Flakka Flame


Maybe Orruktober with the AoS release?

 Mmmpi wrote:
Nope, this year it's going to be "All Saints Day Sisters"

Sisters in Nunvember?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
BrianDavion wrote:
honestly I think 90% of the Orktober hype was fan created.

GW did a bad job of managing expectations and many Ork players did a bad job of managing their own expectations.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 09:03:16


Post by: BrianDavion


 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Maybe Orruktober with the AoS release?

 Mmmpi wrote:
Nope, this year it's going to be "All Saints Day Sisters"

Sisters in Nunvember?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
BrianDavion wrote:
honestly I think 90% of the Orktober hype was fan created.

GW did a bad job of managing expectations and many Ork players did a bad job of managing their own expectations.


I think it was ahrd to manage them, I remember nearly a year in advance we where getting so called rumors caliming "2018 WILL BE THE YEAR OF THE XENOS! OCTOBER WILL BE ORKTOBER AND IT WILL BE BIG!" so when the claimed year of the xenos doesn't arrive (or more accurately it wasn't what people expected) people got upset. you saw people raging because GW released custodes in febuary, and "IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE YEAR OF THE XENOS"

by time 2018 had arrived people I think expected NOTHING but xenos releases and expected a compelte reissue of the eldar and ork ranges etc


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 09:13:41


Post by: Not Online!!!


BrianDavion wrote:
 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Maybe Orruktober with the AoS release?

 Mmmpi wrote:
Nope, this year it's going to be "All Saints Day Sisters"

Sisters in Nunvember?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
BrianDavion wrote:
honestly I think 90% of the Orktober hype was fan created.

GW did a bad job of managing expectations and many Ork players did a bad job of managing their own expectations.


I think it was ahrd to manage them, I remember nearly a year in advance we where getting so called rumors caliming "2018 WILL BE THE YEAR OF THE XENOS! OCTOBER WILL BE ORKTOBER AND IT WILL BE BIG!" so when the claimed year of the xenos doesn't arrive (or more accurately it wasn't what people expected) people got upset. you saw people raging because GW released custodes in febuary, and "IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE YEAR OF THE XENOS"

by time 2018 had arrived people I think expected NOTHING but xenos releases and expected a compelte reissue of the eldar and ork ranges etc


Which to put it bluntly, should've happened. Nothing against the old aspect warriors but i swear to god friend of mine has had the worst finecrap luck i've ever seen.
And as a former ork player. A bunch of propper new orkz ladz and replacement of some of that failcast aswell should've happened anyways.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 09:33:24


Post by: BrianDavion


Not Online!!! wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Maybe Orruktober with the AoS release?

 Mmmpi wrote:
Nope, this year it's going to be "All Saints Day Sisters"

Sisters in Nunvember?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
BrianDavion wrote:
honestly I think 90% of the Orktober hype was fan created.

GW did a bad job of managing expectations and many Ork players did a bad job of managing their own expectations.


I think it was ahrd to manage them, I remember nearly a year in advance we where getting so called rumors caliming "2018 WILL BE THE YEAR OF THE XENOS! OCTOBER WILL BE ORKTOBER AND IT WILL BE BIG!" so when the claimed year of the xenos doesn't arrive (or more accurately it wasn't what people expected) people got upset. you saw people raging because GW released custodes in febuary, and "IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE YEAR OF THE XENOS"

by time 2018 had arrived people I think expected NOTHING but xenos releases and expected a compelte reissue of the eldar and ork ranges etc


Which to put it bluntly, should've happened. Nothing against the old aspect warriors but i swear to god friend of mine has had the worst finecrap luck i've ever seen.
And as a former ork player. A bunch of propper new orkz ladz and replacement of some of that failcast aswell should've happened anyways.


GW doesn't seem that keen on just doing reissuing, the CSM release aside they've not really done much of it . although I agree the eldar line despirately needs some love


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 09:33:57


Post by: Orkimedez_Atalaya


I wish.

The ork range is missing:
- plastic komandos and tankhunters
- several HQ options. More specifically, a mega-armoured warboss and a generic mek, at very least.
...and that's it.

Then again, GW don't need a full hyped Orktober, just one week to update the dex and release 1 multipart kit and 2 characters.

Being more realistic, I wouldn't expect it before 2020.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 09:37:29


Post by: Daba


I predict probably some more Chaos releases and fleshing out Primaris for Orktober.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 09:38:35


Post by: Not Online!!!


 Daba wrote:
I predict probably some more Chaos releases and fleshing out Primaris for Orktober.



Chaos Space marines.
Not chaos.
Chaos as a whole ( Daemons and Renegades and heretics) probably won't see anything, except the whole rumour of Sisters vs lost and the damned comes true, WHICH would be hillarious.



Automatically Appended Next Post:
BrianDavion wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Maybe Orruktober with the AoS release?

 Mmmpi wrote:
Nope, this year it's going to be "All Saints Day Sisters"

Sisters in Nunvember?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
BrianDavion wrote:
honestly I think 90% of the Orktober hype was fan created.

GW did a bad job of managing expectations and many Ork players did a bad job of managing their own expectations.


I think it was ahrd to manage them, I remember nearly a year in advance we where getting so called rumors caliming "2018 WILL BE THE YEAR OF THE XENOS! OCTOBER WILL BE ORKTOBER AND IT WILL BE BIG!" so when the claimed year of the xenos doesn't arrive (or more accurately it wasn't what people expected) people got upset. you saw people raging because GW released custodes in febuary, and "IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE YEAR OF THE XENOS"

by time 2018 had arrived people I think expected NOTHING but xenos releases and expected a compelte reissue of the eldar and ork ranges etc


Which to put it bluntly, should've happened. Nothing against the old aspect warriors but i swear to god friend of mine has had the worst finecrap luck i've ever seen.
And as a former ork player. A bunch of propper new orkz ladz and replacement of some of that failcast aswell should've happened anyways.


GW doesn't seem that keen on just doing reissuing, the CSM release aside they've not really done much of it . although I agree the eldar line despirately needs some love


Despirately needs some love?

Are you having a giggle?

They were older then failbadon the harmless, before his update, they could legally drink!



Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 09:42:05


Post by: Overread


Ahem its not orktober its ORRUKTOBER this year

AoS stole it for the Orruk Battletome (most likely ). Though its not likely to be as big and shiny as the Orktober; so less shiny new models but lots of new Orruk rules!


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 10:00:45


Post by: Dakka Flakka Flame


Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
I wish.

The ork range is missing:
- plastic komandos and tankhunters
- several HQ options. More specifically, a mega-armoured warboss and a generic mek, at very least.
...and that's it.

Then again, GW don't need a full hyped Orktober, just one week to update the dex and release 1 multipart kit and 2 characters.

Being more realistic, I wouldn't expect it before 2020.

Add a new Deffkopta to that list and I would agree.

I mean, there's plenty of other stuff I think would be cool to see added or brought back to the Orks, but I think Eldar need some new models more badly than we do. Maybe Necrons and Tyranids too. A lot of our stuff is old but I think it has held up very well.

I imagine we'll get new models when they decide to visit Armageddon again. I think the new buggies/speedstas look good, but I hope what we get next has more customizability.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 10:29:06


Post by: BrianDavion


Armageddon could be intreasting black templars, guard, orks and khorne.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 10:50:44


Post by: Daba


Not Online!!! wrote:
 Daba wrote:
I predict probably some more Chaos releases and fleshing out Primaris for Orktober.



Chaos Space marines.
Not chaos.
Chaos as a whole ( Daemons and Renegades and heretics) probably won't see anything, except the whole rumour of Sisters vs lost and the damned comes true, WHICH would be hillarious.


Huh, I forgot those existed.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 10:55:05


Post by: Mmmpi


 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Maybe Orruktober with the AoS release?

 Mmmpi wrote:
Nope, this year it's going to be "All Saints Day Sisters"

Sisters in Nunvember?



Yes, and at the end of December, Eldarnalia.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 11:28:55


Post by: Not Online!!!


 Daba wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 Daba wrote:
I predict probably some more Chaos releases and fleshing out Primaris for Orktober.



Chaos Space marines.
Not chaos.
Chaos as a whole ( Daemons and Renegades and heretics) probably won't see anything, except the whole rumour of Sisters vs lost and the damned comes true, WHICH would be hillarious.


Huh, I forgot those existed.


See, it's like with the Space nuns.
Most people forgot they existed aswell


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 13:17:12


Post by: Ratius


Guess what crew, It's time to hype up ORKTOBER!

Lets get some ORKTOBER release predictions in here


Whilst I dig your passion () Im not sure there will be an Orktober whatsoever this year.
Methinks they had their time in the Sun 2018.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 16:24:26


Post by: craggy


I don't see it happening either, but I can definitely see people hyping themselves up over it to ridiculous degrees again and whinging about it.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 17:07:16


Post by: Lord Damocles


October has 31 days -> 3+1 equals 4 -> 40K is pronounced 4TK. Coincidence? Surely not -> a new 40K game is comming. But it's Orktober! A new 40K Ork game is comming -> Gorkamorka confirmed!


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/08 17:13:09


Post by: ccs


tneva82 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Disappointment. Just like last year.


So speed freaks boxed set, codex and like 5 new kits was dissapointment? What on earth people were expecting....not happy before you get 50 new kits in a month?


Well, all I wanted were several Shockjump Dragstas. I had no interest in the Speed Freaks box & wanted to support my local shop vs buying from EBay sellers who parted out the set.
I had to wait months for them to be released singly.

So yeah, not happy that I couldn't walk into the shop & pick up the pieces I wanted upon "release".


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 02:45:42


Post by: Ginjitzu


Not Online!!! wrote:
See, it's like with the Space nuns.
Most people forgot they existed aswell
The memes never forgot!


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 03:10:59


Post by: BrianDavion


ccs wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Disappointment. Just like last year.


So speed freaks boxed set, codex and like 5 new kits was dissapointment? What on earth people were expecting....not happy before you get 50 new kits in a month?


Well, all I wanted were several Shockjump Dragstas. I had no interest in the Speed Freaks box & wanted to support my local shop vs buying from EBay sellers who parted out the set.
I had to wait months for them to be released singly.

So yeah, not happy that I couldn't walk into the shop & pick up the pieces I wanted upon "release".

this is a problem with boxed sets in general, chaos obliterators are currently unavaliable and it's sounding like space marine supressors will likely be unavaliable heck Orks never got a plastic Deffcopta outside ABR and it's been ten fething years


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 08:51:07


Post by: Darnok


 Lord Damocles wrote:
October has 31 days -> 3+1 equals 4 -> 40K is pronounced 4TK. Coincidence? Surely not -> a new 40K game is comming. But it's Orktober! A new 40K Ork game is comming -> Gorkamorka confirmed!




Brilliant! Also: sort of guaranteed to happen at some point. GW seems to bring back everything and their adopted children these days. Gorkamorka is among the few side games that has not got a remake so far, and there is a much more rich Ork line to suppot it than when the original was out. The mechanics from "Speed Freeks" even might see use in Gorkamorka 2.0.

I don't see it happening this year, but just maybe for "Orktober 2020".


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 10:59:52


Post by: Jidmah


Any CA2019 with more than no changes to orks would be a good enough Orktober in my book. Just bring the crappy stuff in line with the decent stuff, and I'm good for another year or so.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 11:56:29


Post by: G00fySmiley


I hope they brign the ork prices for the new awesome buggy models down where they belong so we will see them in competative lists.

Also as somebody who prefers running bike armies it would be great if they fixed ork bikes and nob bikers, they just are very overpriced for what they do.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 12:06:45


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


There's probably nothing Ork related this October, but having plastic models for characters and a generic big mek would be a nice surprise.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 12:12:07


Post by: G00fySmiley


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
There's probably nothing Ork related this October, but having plastic models for characters and a generic big mek would be a nice surprise.


probably true, my wish-listing though is more about some fixes in CA. Though unlikely to happen because we don't have power armor.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 12:14:55


Post by: flandarz


Primorkz would be a nice addition. Or some Grot specific Stratagems. Or a Stompa that is actually worth the enormous pricetag. Or a Mek Workshop that isn't just a waste of time and points. Or just some price drops in the next CA, since we just missed out on the last one.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 12:19:04


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 flandarz wrote:
Primorkz would be a nice addition. Or some Grot specific Stratagems. Or a Stompa that is actually worth the enormous pricetag. Or a Mek Workshop that isn't just a waste of time and points. Or just some price drops in the next CA, since we just missed out on the last one.


Or a Sguigbuggy that's actually a long ranged artillery / support piece instead of being a confused mess of a vehicle that's not really good at anything. It even fails at being a jack of all trades, what it's apparently meant to be, as it's not even adequate at anything it does.
I really want to like the squiggy buggy and I think it has potential, the problem is that apparently GW thought it making it good would be imbalanced, so they made it useless.
Hell, even making it indirect fire might be enough to be worth taking. There's not many of those in the Ork army, so that alone would make it stand out.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 13:27:08


Post by: DrGiggles


A plastic mega armor warboss kit with options to build Ghaz a la the swarmlord and hive tyrant kit would be my dream Orktober.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 13:55:49


Post by: G00fySmiley


 DrGiggles wrote:
A plastic mega armor warboss kit with options to build Ghaz a la the swarmlord and hive tyrant kit would be my dream Orktober.


that would be cool, same with a warboss on a bike. it is wierd that while many codexes got models to represent things that had to be kitbashed before with orks we got "index only" and liekly will make our kitbashes for these models no longer viabel in 9th.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 14:28:21


Post by: the_scotsman


 G00fySmiley wrote:
 DrGiggles wrote:
A plastic mega armor warboss kit with options to build Ghaz a la the swarmlord and hive tyrant kit would be my dream Orktober.


that would be cool, same with a warboss on a bike. it is wierd that while many codexes got models to represent things that had to be kitbashed before with orks we got "index only" and liekly will make our kitbashes for these models no longer viabel in 9th.


Nah we got Copyrightastic No Model No Rules Bikerboss, we will never see a biker character again.

MAboss/Ghaz kit I can see. Just so long as every MA boss ever is always equipped with a GOBSMASHING BUZZWHANGLER and a KUSTOM DAKKA-SUPABLASTANATOR and nobody ever has any other equipment other than that tm games workshop 2019.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 14:41:06


Post by: DrGiggles


the_scotsman wrote:
 G00fySmiley wrote:
 DrGiggles wrote:
A plastic mega armor warboss kit with options to build Ghaz a la the swarmlord and hive tyrant kit would be my dream Orktober.


that would be cool, same with a warboss on a bike. it is wierd that while many codexes got models to represent things that had to be kitbashed before with orks we got "index only" and liekly will make our kitbashes for these models no longer viabel in 9th.


Nah we got Copyrightastic No Model No Rules Bikerboss, we will never see a biker character again.

MAboss/Ghaz kit I can see. Just so long as every MA boss ever is always equipped with a GOBSMASHING BUZZWHANGLER and a KUSTOM DAKKA-SUPABLASTANATOR and nobody ever has any other equipment other than that tm games workshop 2019.


If the GOBSMASHING BUZZWHANGLER is a giant club covered in angry squigs then I'm all for it.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 14:44:52


Post by: Pointer5


Let's all remember Orktober really happens in November. GW doesn't care about xenos races. The only care about making and selling another 500 primaris lieutenants. I've been playing this game since 1990. Thd only reason for alien races is to give marines someone to fight. Too many of the alien races kits are ancient. Eldar aspect warriors, ork tankbusters & kommandos being in fine cast still. It's not hard for GW to fix this they just don't want to. Nobody buys the old stuff they can just cancel it. That production time can then be used to make more primaries kits.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 15:11:55


Post by: G00fySmiley


the_scotsman wrote:
 G00fySmiley wrote:
 DrGiggles wrote:
A plastic mega armor warboss kit with options to build Ghaz a la the swarmlord and hive tyrant kit would be my dream Orktober.


that would be cool, same with a warboss on a bike. it is wierd that while many codexes got models to represent things that had to be kitbashed before with orks we got "index only" and liekly will make our kitbashes for these models no longer viabel in 9th.


Nah we got Copyrightastic No Model No Rules Bikerboss, we will never see a biker character again.

MAboss/Ghaz kit I can see. Just so long as every MA boss ever is always equipped with a GOBSMASHING BUZZWHANGLER and a KUSTOM DAKKA-SUPABLASTANATOR and nobody ever has any other equipment other than that tm games workshop 2019.


forgeworld has made a warboss on a bike forever. there are 3rd party options but since they have one already in the stable it seemed odd to drop it. though that one has been out of stock for a while

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/Ork-Warboss-on-Bike


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/09 18:00:18


Post by: Jidmah


That's just Zardsnark da Rippa though.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/10 03:59:23


Post by: Da Butcha


Hey, there's the whole Psychic Awakening coming up. Maybe Orktober will see a plastic Weirboy, or maybe a Foot of Gork "Endless Spell" model?


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/10 04:31:39


Post by: BrianDavion


Da Butcha wrote:
Hey, there's the whole Psychic Awakening coming up. Maybe Orktober will see a plastic Weirboy, or maybe a Foot of Gork "Endless Spell" model?



I'd be shocked if GW didn't take the oppertunity to release a plastic spellcaster or two with psychic awakening. Even if all they did bare minimim was release the MoP and Phobos Libby seperately


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/10 05:08:38


Post by: Dakka Flakka Flame


Da Butcha wrote:
Hey, there's the whole Psychic Awakening coming up. Maybe Orktober will see a plastic Weirboy, or maybe a Foot of Gork "Endless Spell" model?

There's an AoS Orruk book coming up, they might just release one set of models for both AoS and 40k Orruks/Orks.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/10 08:03:21


Post by: Jidmah


Orruks have different Aestetics than Orks though. I don't think GW is clever enough to provide the models with two sets of heads so they can be both


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/10 10:33:32


Post by: Nazrak


Pointer5 wrote:
Let's all remember Orktober really happens in November. GW doesn't care about xenos races. The only care about making and selling another 500 primaris lieutenants. I've been playing this game since 1990. Thd only reason for alien races is to give marines someone to fight. Too many of the alien races kits are ancient. Eldar aspect warriors, ork tankbusters & kommandos being in fine cast still. It's not hard for GW to fix this they just don't want to. Nobody buys the old stuff they can just cancel it. That production time can then be used to make more primaries kits.

Imagine being this bitter for a full 29 years though. Wow.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/10 19:05:58


Post by: Jidmah


 Nazrak wrote:
Pointer5 wrote:
Let's all remember Orktober really happens in November. GW doesn't care about xenos races. The only care about making and selling another 500 primaris lieutenants. I've been playing this game since 1990. Thd only reason for alien races is to give marines someone to fight. Too many of the alien races kits are ancient. Eldar aspect warriors, ork tankbusters & kommandos being in fine cast still. It's not hard for GW to fix this they just don't want to. Nobody buys the old stuff they can just cancel it. That production time can then be used to make more primaries kits.

Imagine being this bitter for a full 29 years though. Wow.


Seems like he found the right forum for his hobby


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/10 23:27:14


Post by: Commissar Benny


Things I would like to see:

* Update on what is going on in the war between the orks/nids
* Primeork Ghazghull Mag Uruk Thraka model
* Updated ork infantry
* New ork HQ models

Will it happen? Probably not but I think its necessary for the health of the setting. Basically everyone I know who plays 40k and got back into the hobby in 8th edition has left because none of their armies ever get releases or have any relevance in the universe. Its non stop marines fighting evil marines. I find it funny that GW has gone to such insane lengths to change army names/unit entries for copyright reasons, yet they don't even support their intellectual property with new models.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/10 23:40:51


Post by: Vankraken


Why does anybody want "primeorks"? Do you all enjoy having your models pushed into forced obsolesence. Its actively happening with fantasy stuff and it reeks of bad business.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/10 23:44:46


Post by: BrianDavion


 Vankraken wrote:
Why does anybody want "primeorks"? Do you all enjoy having your models pushed into forced obsolesence. Its actively happening with fantasy stuff and it reeks of bad business.


because when people talk about Primeorks they're not asking for Primaris Orks. rather they're talking about Primarch Sized Orcs, that first appered in War of the Beast. basicly they want a Ork answer to Gulliman


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/10 23:57:42


Post by: Dakka Flakka Flame


 Jidmah wrote:
Orruks have different Aestetics than Orks though. I don't think GW is clever enough to provide the models with two sets of heads so they can be both

You are correct. I was referring specifically to models for Endless Spells (if 40k ends up getting them) but I wasn't being very clear.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/12 00:41:13


Post by: Eonfuzz


Just so everyone understands, this post is sarcasm. I am not expecting anything other than disappointment.

It would be great if it *wasnt* just marketing hype.
Although, I think we should put a little bit of pressure on GW in the form of facebook comments about this year's Orktober.

Who knows, we might get something.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/12 04:57:16


Post by: Dakka Flakka Flame


 Eonfuzz wrote:
Although, I think we should put a little bit of pressure on GW in the form of facebook comments about this year's Orktober.

Who knows, we might get something.

I don't know about that, I doubt it would result in us getting anything and it will probably just annoy people. They aren't going to be able to produce anything new in just a couple months other than maybe a PDF.

A lot of people think that Ork players were being incredibly whiny last Orktober, and I imagine if people start bothering GW about an Orktober this year when none has been announced it will just feed into that impression.

(I think that Ork player's new reputation as the faction of whiners is mostly inaccurate, although there have certainly been some people who have been prolific and hyperbolic complainers.)


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/12 07:49:56


Post by: An Actual Englishman


GW made a rod for their own back last year when they over hyped 'Orktober' roughly 4 months too soon and delivered a lackluster 'Buggyvember', while releasing new SM and Eldar models/starter sets in October. The models are beautiful but unplayable. We still have primary troop sculpts that are of drinking age. We lost more options because 'no models no rules dawg' than we gained last year. A non-metal warboss with big choppa would be nice. A warboss in MA model would be nice. Failcast models should not exist for any faction. It would be nice if our primary faction special character, our equivalent to Abaddon or Guilliman was a decent stature rather than a puny git.

Obviously we're getting nothing this year and probably for a few years yet to come.

Best not to hope at this stage. If you don't play power armour you don't get updates. That is very clearly GWs mandate for now.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/12 14:07:41


Post by: G00fySmiley


BrianDavion wrote:
 Vankraken wrote:
Why does anybody want "primeorks"? Do you all enjoy having your models pushed into forced obsolesence. Its actively happening with fantasy stuff and it reeks of bad business.


because when people talk about Primeorks they're not asking for Primaris Orks. rather they're talking about Primarch Sized Orcs, that first appered in War of the Beast. basicly they want a Ork answer to Gulliman


yea, this. Ghaz really at this point should be primeork size and given the number of orks out there there are bound to be a few in the galaxy harassin the tau and other unknown regions. I am not advocating for replacing anythign other than having a prmeork / ghaz kit redone and have a statline and abilities in line with guilliman, magnus, and mortarian. Separate note but with Eldar would be nice if they also while maybe not updating the kit gave the same kind of buff treatment to the Avatar. seems odd the literal fragment of a god is fairly weak compared to a primarch


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/12 16:14:47


Post by: Kaiyanwang


 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

A lot of people think that Ork players were being incredibly whiny last Orktober

Ork players are right. Orktober was a travesty.

I would add that if GW decides to drop the resin without producing substitutes, Tankbustas and Kommandos risk to go from the new iteration of the codex. Or the formers could work in a completely different manner because of some weird choice of the sculptors.
As someone that absolutely adores the old Ork Boyz kit, I don't really feel its age, I prefer it to more recent kits, and I think that the Stormboyz/Lootas-Burnas/Boyz ork aesthetics it's the best one, in addition to the fact that you can mix and match these kits.
I find way more annoying the lack of HQ options, because those options equal to specific strategies and use of the supported units. Especially in light of the 7123571235th new Primaris Lieutenant printed and advertised. Not by chance this became a meme.

What I said above about resin is valid for the Eldar too. Aspect Warriors are the most interesting part of the army in my opinion, and we are witnessing the whole marine line being revamped while those are still in their older editions incarnation, sometimes up to 2nd! What about redoing those, and/or adding more types?


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/12 16:36:42


Post by: Hankovitch


There's literally nothing preventing them from taking the existing, plastic deffkopta frame and releasing it, even if only as a webstore-only white box product. GW can't even be bothered to do that.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/12 16:51:25


Post by: Jidmah


Hankovitch wrote:
There's literally nothing preventing them from taking the existing, plastic deffkopta frame and releasing it, even if only as a webstore-only white box product. GW can't even be bothered to do that.


https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01MA5SS04/?smid=A2STCELS2NRRJW ?


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/12 17:13:19


Post by: G00fySmiley


Hankovitch wrote:
There's literally nothing preventing them from taking the existing, plastic deffkopta frame and releasing it, even if only as a webstore-only white box product. GW can't even be bothered to do that.


not exactly. it was part of assault on black reach. so the Sprue it was designed on includes other models. it is nto as easy as just make this part of a sprue into a single model.

That said they should still do it. they have the model, make a bit for big shoota vs rokkit. or given the kit age just make another whole new deff kopta so we can have non matching deff koptas as I think ork models should all look a bit different.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/12 20:21:46


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 Jidmah wrote:
Hankovitch wrote:
There's literally nothing preventing them from taking the existing, plastic deffkopta frame and releasing it, even if only as a webstore-only white box product. GW can't even be bothered to do that.


https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01MA5SS04/?smid=A2STCELS2NRRJW ?


You get 1 copter for 30 euros though. That's just not worth it.
You'd think after, what, 5 years GW would have released a kit of 3 by now? But no, apparently Orks don't deserve their entire range, and when they finally got a new codex, half of it wasn't in it and still stuck in the index.
Orktober should have been about all of the Ork characters, resin kits and copters getting plastic releases, but nope, just some buggies. Which are good models, mind you, but compared to what Space Marine releases are like is still fairly underwhelming.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/12 20:50:23


Post by: Dakka Flakka Flame


 Kaiyanwang wrote:
 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

A lot of people think that Ork players were being incredibly whiny last Orktober

Ork players are right. Orktober was a travesty.

I would add that if GW decides to drop the resin without producing substitutes, Tankbustas and Kommandos risk to go from the new iteration of the codex. Or the formers could work in a completely different manner because of some weird choice of the sculptors.
As someone that absolutely adores the old Ork Boyz kit, I don't really feel its age, I prefer it to more recent kits, and I think that the Stormboyz/Lootas-Burnas/Boyz ork aesthetics it's the best one, in addition to the fact that you can mix and match these kits.
I find way more annoying the lack of HQ options, because those options equal to specific strategies and use of the supported units. Especially in light of the 7123571235th new Primaris Lieutenant printed and advertised. Not by chance this became a meme.

Orktober was disappointing in some ways and certainly have been handled better, but it was far from a travesty IMO.

I agree about the old Ork Boyz kit. It is old but I think it looks great.


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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Hankovitch wrote:
There's literally nothing preventing them from taking the existing, plastic deffkopta frame and releasing it, even if only as a webstore-only white box product. GW can't even be bothered to do that.


https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01MA5SS04/?smid=A2STCELS2NRRJW ?


You get 1 copter for 30 euros though. That's just not worth it.
You'd think after, what, 5 years GW would have released a kit of 3 by now? But no, apparently Orks don't deserve their entire range, and when they finally got a new codex, half of it wasn't in it and still stuck in the index.
Orktober should have been about all of the Ork characters, resin kits and copters getting plastic releases, but nope, just some buggies. Which are good models, mind you, but compared to what Space Marine releases are like is still fairly underwhelming.

With the way pricing has been going if they released a separate plastic Deffkopta it might be even more than 30 Euros and not come with the other models the Revell box has.

I mean I think a plastic Deffkopta would be good, but I'm guessing price will probably be a real downside.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/12 21:01:25


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Agreed about the ork boys kit. It doesn't need to be changed at all, and what's even better is that its compatible with other plastic ork kits, meaning that you can kitbash together some lootas and burnas.

In fact, you can probably make Tankbustas and commandos out of them too.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/13 12:43:57


Post by: DrGiggles


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Agreed about the ork boys kit. It doesn't need to be changed at all, and what's even better is that its compatible with other plastic ork kits, meaning that you can kitbash together some lootas and burnas.

In fact, you can probably make Tankbustas and commandos out of them too.


I'm making Tankbustas with the boyz box now using the rocket you get per 10 boys and the rockets that are in the deff dread box I never used. That boyz box is worth its weight in gold since you can use it for almost anything.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/13 14:27:37


Post by: Nazrak


Ah, nice to see some other people who still rate the Boyz kit. Good stuff.


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If I never had to hear or read anyone saying "Primeork" again, I'd be delighted.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/13 15:20:56


Post by: G00fySmiley


 Nazrak wrote:
Ah, nice to see some other people who still rate the Boyz kit. Good stuff.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
If I never had to hear or read anyone saying "Primeork" again, I'd be delighted.


boyz kit is awesome

and yea primeork is not the best term for it, but may a "beast" ork warboss .. problem is other dakkanaughts might not know what we are talking about.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/13 15:29:29


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 DrGiggles wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Agreed about the ork boys kit. It doesn't need to be changed at all, and what's even better is that its compatible with other plastic ork kits, meaning that you can kitbash together some lootas and burnas.

In fact, you can probably make Tankbustas and commandos out of them too.


I'm making Tankbustas with the boyz box now using the rocket you get per 10 boys and the rockets that are in the deff dread box I never used. That boyz box is worth its weight in gold since you can use it for almost anything.


I did actually make 5 tankbustas to go with the proper kit of metal tankbustas. I gave them armor plating, helmets, tankbusta bombs and rokkit launchers. I even gave one a tankhammer, which was just a rokkit glued onto a stick with 2 stikk bombs on either side.

I'm still trying to work out how to make Kommandoes though. Maybe just paint a squad of boyz purple or something, idk.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/13 15:33:57


Post by: Hankovitch


I can sympathize, though I disagree, with wanting a different posture/aesthetic for boys. But in all other ways it's one of the best kits GW puts out. Lots of options, (and the modularity to use them), interchangeability with other ork kits/loadouts, and raw models-to-money ratio. There are a number of other kits where the kitbashing/spare parts value is huge--the trukk, Wazbom jet, etc.

Given GW's recent releases I don't see is ever getting deals this good with a new product. Fewer options and minimal interchangeability may be a necessary trade-off for detailed new sculpts and dynamic poses, and it's a trade-off I don't want with orks.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/13 16:13:54


Post by: DrGiggles


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 DrGiggles wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Agreed about the ork boys kit. It doesn't need to be changed at all, and what's even better is that its compatible with other plastic ork kits, meaning that you can kitbash together some lootas and burnas.

In fact, you can probably make Tankbustas and commandos out of them too.


I'm making Tankbustas with the boyz box now using the rocket you get per 10 boys and the rockets that are in the deff dread box I never used. That boyz box is worth its weight in gold since you can use it for almost anything.


I did actually make 5 tankbustas to go with the proper kit of metal tankbustas. I gave them armor plating, helmets, tankbusta bombs and rokkit launchers. I even gave one a tankhammer, which was just a rokkit glued onto a stick with 2 stikk bombs on either side.

I'm still trying to work out how to make Kommandoes though. Maybe just paint a squad of boyz purple or something, idk.


Greenstuff bandanas/cloaks on to some boyz and then give them all some grenades or bombs. It's on my list to try after my tankbusta project.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/13 16:51:21


Post by: Jidmah


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm still trying to work out how to make Kommandoes though. Maybe just paint a squad of boyz purple or something, idk.

Use heads with caps, (gas-)masks or bandanas (burnas, warbikers, vehicle crews are a good source of these) and giver them the backpacks from boyz, spannas and nobz. Paint their shoulderpads in camo, done. Looks better than anything GW or FW has ever released.

Or raid kromlech.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/13 17:27:47


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 Jidmah wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm still trying to work out how to make Kommandoes though. Maybe just paint a squad of boyz purple or something, idk.

Use heads with caps, (gas-)masks or bandanas (burnas, warbikers, vehicle crews are a good source of these) and giver them the backpacks from boyz, spannas and nobz. Paint their shoulderpads in camo, done. Looks better than anything GW or FW has ever released.

Or raid kromlech.


Hmm I might have to get another set of lootas and bikers then.
I do believe I have that tank commander head from the Battlewagon kit though, so that covers the nob at least.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/13 18:41:29


Post by: Jidmah


If you have the naut kit, there are one or two very similar heads to the one from the BW in there as well, and flyboys from the planes also work well.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/13 19:56:58


Post by: Trimarius


Yeah, I use Burna heads for mine (got to do something with that half of the kit) and they look fine. Throw on a few more knives, stikk bombs, and other assorted bits and you're golden. As a bonus, a free burna isn't the worst upgrade for kommandos, either, so you can actually get use out of a couple of the weapons.

The leftover backpacks make good engine gubbins, too, and the rest of the burnas can be pretty easily converted into skorchas or rokkit launchers for use on vehicles/boyz/tankbustas. Waste not, want not, after all.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/13 20:11:28


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


I don't have the index though, so those options aren't available to me.
The codex Kommandoes are bloody weird though.
The nob always comes with a klaw, and can't get anything else, and there is always 1 tankbusta bomb per 5 boys.

I really hate this strict WYSIWYG thing GW is going for. It takes the fun out of the hobby aspect of the game, and should not have been enforced for orks.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/14 09:39:29


Post by: Orkimedez_Atalaya


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I don't have the index though, so those options aren't available to me.
The codex Kommandoes are bloody weird though.
The nob always comes with a klaw, and can't get anything else, and there is always 1 tankbusta bomb per 5 boys.

I really hate this strict WYSIWYG thing GW is going for. It takes the fun out of the hobby aspect of the game, and should not have been enforced for orks.


I sooo much agree with you.

It becomes stupidly hard for the rules team to cope with some of the new models (buggies looking at you...).

On top, it is the actual reason why we lost so many HQ options. No bikerboss, no F%$€ing NORMAL big mek, etc.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/14 09:45:38


Post by: Not Online!!!


Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I don't have the index though, so those options aren't available to me.
The codex Kommandoes are bloody weird though.
The nob always comes with a klaw, and can't get anything else, and there is always 1 tankbusta bomb per 5 boys.

I really hate this strict WYSIWYG thing GW is going for. It takes the fun out of the hobby aspect of the game, and should not have been enforced for orks.


I sooo much agree with you.

It becomes stupidly hard for the rules team to cope with some of the new models (buggies looking at you...).

On top, it is the actual reason why we lost so many HQ options. No bikerboss, no F%$€ing NORMAL big mek, etc.


Ironically this lead to alot more, DE lost how many HQ options? CSM aswell.
It's honestly a shame.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/14 09:55:42


Post by: Jidmah


The regular big mek is by far the most mind boggling - considering it's an actual citadel model still sold during 7th...

Edit: To be more precise... three actual citadel models: Big Mek with KFF, Big Mek with KMB and Big Mek with SAG were all a thing.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/14 10:48:31


Post by: Not Online!!!


 Jidmah wrote:
The regular big mek is by far the most mind boggling - considering it's an actual citadel model still sold during 7th...

Edit: To be more precise... three actual citadel models: Big Mek with KFF, Big Mek with KMB and Big Mek with SAG were all a thing.


I mean it isn't like you get sold a mek aswell in any loota box.
..
Like common,


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/14 11:04:59


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Mekboys (now called spanners, for some reason) aren't big meks though. Big Meks are a lot, well, bigger.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/14 11:08:47


Post by: Not Online!!!


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Mekboys (now called spanners, for some reason) aren't big meks though. Big Meks are a lot, well, bigger.


It still doesn't matter, you can't have a whole faction that is based upon insanity and individualism in their bulding ways and then curb the individuals that are responsible for this.....

except GW can.
feck


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/14 12:44:26


Post by: Jidmah


I blame this on Kirby though. Axing the one most sold HQ for orks so that people would have to shell out for the brand new MA Big Mek in order to get a KFF sounds exactly like something he would have done.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/14 15:49:33


Post by: Kaiyanwang


I could perhaps see some new model for Skarboyz and Ardboyz.
Yeah I know you can convert them well, especially the latter, but hear me out.
The presence of the kit could maybe push GW to redesign the Ardboyz from ground up. Imagine a unit with more or less the aesthetics of the Black Orks. 4+ save.
Now add some rule to make them work in smaller units, in order to throw a bone to those that want boyz in trukks.
"Shock Troopa", to assault after the vehicle moved or something. Pay less CP for da telly-porta. And/or better weapons. Probably still worthy to just use boyz, but at least you have another troop choice, you can use 1 unit (and buy the kit, GW!) for a casual game.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/14 16:14:07


Post by: G00fySmiley


 Jidmah wrote:
I blame this on Kirby though. Axing the one most sold HQ for orks so that people would have to shell out for the brand new MA Big Mek in order to get a KFF sounds exactly like something he would have done.


except we iz orks. I have my kff big meks and slapped a few left over battlewagon doors on the front and back of the model.. boom big mek in mega armor and kff.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/14 17:26:16


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 G00fySmiley wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
I blame this on Kirby though. Axing the one most sold HQ for orks so that people would have to shell out for the brand new MA Big Mek in order to get a KFF sounds exactly like something he would have done.


except we iz orks. I have my kff big meks and slapped a few left over battlewagon doors on the front and back of the model.. boom big mek in mega armor and kff.


That is a solution, but it is still a pity to cover up such a nice model.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/14 19:45:47


Post by: Orkimedez_Atalaya


That model is not really useful no matter how beautiful. Too slow to hangout on foot, limited use if embarqued. Surprise no one seems to take it competitively.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 08:24:23


Post by: Jidmah


 G00fySmiley wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
I blame this on Kirby though. Axing the one most sold HQ for orks so that people would have to shell out for the brand new MA Big Mek in order to get a KFF sounds exactly like something he would have done.


except we iz orks. I have my kff big meks and slapped a few left over battlewagon doors on the front and back of the model.. boom big mek in mega armor and kff.


Obviously you could just say they have a close combat force field that provides them with a 2+ save if the index ever gets the axe, just like you could count a warboss on a bike as deffkilla wartrike. But it's simply not the same.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 08:33:22


Post by: Not Online!!!


 Jidmah wrote:
 G00fySmiley wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
I blame this on Kirby though. Axing the one most sold HQ for orks so that people would have to shell out for the brand new MA Big Mek in order to get a KFF sounds exactly like something he would have done.


except we iz orks. I have my kff big meks and slapped a few left over battlewagon doors on the front and back of the model.. boom big mek in mega armor and kff.


Obviously you could just say they have a close combat force field that provides them with a 2+ save if the index ever gets the axe, just like you could count a warboss on a bike as deffkilla wartrike. But it's simply not the same.


It's also not orky.
If an ork boss wants a bike, he get's a bike, if he wants a Trike he get's a trike.
Same with a bigmek.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 10:17:05


Post by: Orkimedez_Atalaya


Using a warboss on bike as trike might be ok for friendly games. In a tournament it can be tricky. Size is muuuuch larger (even from the FW biker boss). Actually, the base is somehow wrong even for the official model as it looks better on a flyer base (smaller) rather than the provided.

Current iteration of the Ork codex completely overlooks HQs. None are worth mentioned from the looks or rules. Most people field weirdboys and SSAG meks.

Why a mek would have standarized and enforced weaponry is a design decision I will never ever understand.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 10:32:50


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Not Online!!! wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
 G00fySmiley wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
I blame this on Kirby though. Axing the one most sold HQ for orks so that people would have to shell out for the brand new MA Big Mek in order to get a KFF sounds exactly like something he would have done.


except we iz orks. I have my kff big meks and slapped a few left over battlewagon doors on the front and back of the model.. boom big mek in mega armor and kff.


Obviously you could just say they have a close combat force field that provides them with a 2+ save if the index ever gets the axe, just like you could count a warboss on a bike as deffkilla wartrike. But it's simply not the same.


It's also not orky.
If an ork boss wants a bike, he get's a bike, if he wants a Trike he get's a trike.
Same with a bigmek.


Likewise, if a Warboss wants Mega Armor he's going to have Mega Armor.
The fact that Nobs can take Mega Armor, but not the Warboss is just dumb on so many levels.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 10:39:50


Post by: Not Online!!!


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
 G00fySmiley wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
I blame this on Kirby though. Axing the one most sold HQ for orks so that people would have to shell out for the brand new MA Big Mek in order to get a KFF sounds exactly like something he would have done.


except we iz orks. I have my kff big meks and slapped a few left over battlewagon doors on the front and back of the model.. boom big mek in mega armor and kff.


Obviously you could just say they have a close combat force field that provides them with a 2+ save if the index ever gets the axe, just like you could count a warboss on a bike as deffkilla wartrike. But it's simply not the same.


It's also not orky.
If an ork boss wants a bike, he get's a bike, if he wants a Trike he get's a trike.
Same with a bigmek.


Likewise, if a Warboss wants Mega Armor he's going to have Mega Armor.
The fact that Nobs can take Mega Armor, but not the Warboss is just dumb on so many levels.


I mean, it's like a CSM lord, or sorcerer,or DE archon.

It's, to put in in german: Blödsinn


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 13:18:05


Post by: G00fySmiley


Not Online!!! wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
 G00fySmiley wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
I blame this on Kirby though. Axing the one most sold HQ for orks so that people would have to shell out for the brand new MA Big Mek in order to get a KFF sounds exactly like something he would have done.


except we iz orks. I have my kff big meks and slapped a few left over battlewagon doors on the front and back of the model.. boom big mek in mega armor and kff.


Obviously you could just say they have a close combat force field that provides them with a 2+ save if the index ever gets the axe, just like you could count a warboss on a bike as deffkilla wartrike. But it's simply not the same.


It's also not orky.
If an ork boss wants a bike, he get's a bike, if he wants a Trike he get's a trike.
Same with a bigmek.


eh... my warboss on a "bike" has been on a trike (technically a wartraxx) sine 5th edition



Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 13:32:48


Post by: flandarz


I like it.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 13:38:34


Post by: DrGiggles


Since we are wish-listing anyways I'm going add onto mine and say we get an FAQ either dropping the price of klaws to 9 like power fists or keep the current points cost and change their damage to 1+1d3 dmg.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 14:36:10


Post by: Orkimedez_Atalaya


 DrGiggles wrote:
Since we are wish-listing anyways I'm going add onto mine and say we get an FAQ either dropping the price of klaws to 9 like power fists or keep the current points cost and change their damage to 1+1d3 dmg.


Point drop is possible. Profile change, no way. That damage would make killsaws redundant.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 14:49:56


Post by: DrGiggles


Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
 DrGiggles wrote:
Since we are wish-listing anyways I'm going add onto mine and say we get an FAQ either dropping the price of klaws to 9 like power fists or keep the current points cost and change their damage to 1+1d3 dmg.


Point drop is possible. Profile change, no way. That damage would make killsaws redundant.


Killsaw would still get the +1 attack though, they would be similar but I think the killsaw would be better for going after elite troops/bikes and the klaw better for vehicles.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 15:10:20


Post by: G00fySmiley


 DrGiggles wrote:
Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
 DrGiggles wrote:
Since we are wish-listing anyways I'm going add onto mine and say we get an FAQ either dropping the price of klaws to 9 like power fists or keep the current points cost and change their damage to 1+1d3 dmg.


Point drop is possible. Profile change, no way. That damage would make killsaws redundant.


Killsaw would still get the +1 attack though, they would be similar but I think the killsaw would be better for going after elite troops/bikes and the klaw better for vehicles.


maybe, but alternatively if killsaws are supposed to be the more reliable ones with less possible but more consistent damage lose the -1 to hit.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 15:11:35


Post by: DrGiggles


 G00fySmiley wrote:
 DrGiggles wrote:
Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
 DrGiggles wrote:
Since we are wish-listing anyways I'm going add onto mine and say we get an FAQ either dropping the price of klaws to 9 like power fists or keep the current points cost and change their damage to 1+1d3 dmg.


Point drop is possible. Profile change, no way. That damage would make killsaws redundant.


Killsaw would still get the +1 attack though, they would be similar but I think the killsaw would be better for going after elite troops/bikes and the klaw better for vehicles.


maybe, but alternatively if killsaws are supposed to be the more reliable ones with less possible but more consistent damage lose the -1 to hit.


I'd have no complaints with that.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 16:14:00


Post by: Kaiyanwang


Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:

Why a mek would have standarized and enforced weaponry is a design decision I will never ever understand.

The medical term is "Post-Chapterhouse Stress Disorder", or PCSD.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 17:28:13


Post by: Orkimedez_Atalaya


 DrGiggles wrote:
Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
 DrGiggles wrote:
Since we are wish-listing anyways I'm going add onto mine and say we get an FAQ either dropping the price of klaws to 9 like power fists or keep the current points cost and change their damage to 1+1d3 dmg.


Point drop is possible. Profile change, no way. That damage would make killsaws redundant.


Killsaw would still get the +1 attack though, they would be similar but I think the killsaw would be better for going after elite troops/bikes and the klaw better for vehicles.


Killsaws only give +1A when in pairs, not the weapon itself.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 19:06:33


Post by: Moriarty


Not Online!!! wrote:


eh... my warboss on a "bike" has been on a trike (technically a wartraxx) sine 5th edition



Snap. My ES Warboss on Trike uses the same platform ;-)


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 19:16:31


Post by: Not Online!!!


 Kaiyanwang wrote:
Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:

Why a mek would have standarized and enforced weaponry is a design decision I will never ever understand.

The medical term is "Post-Chapterhouse Stress Disorder", or PCSD.

Truth.
also exalt



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Moriarty wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:


eh... my warboss on a "bike" has been on a trike (technically a wartraxx) sine 5th edition



Snap. My ES Warboss on Trike uses the same platform ;-)


WHY U NO MAKE OPTION FOR TRAX GW?

ahh who am i kiding, after chapterhouse it ain't the same anymore.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/15 19:32:13


Post by: Moriarty


Naah, Mate - just have to roll with the 'Counts As'.

The latest 'Buggies' have become 'Gun Trukks' for me :-)


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/17 17:12:19


Post by: fraser1191


Hey guys I was thinking about an ork army but I was curious. How customisable are the new vehicles? Without bits are they all gonna look the same? (same kits that is)


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/17 17:26:01


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


 fraser1191 wrote:
Hey guys I was thinking about an ork army but I was curious. How customisable are the new vehicles? Without bits are they all gonna look the same? (same kits that is)


Not very customizable. Which is a departure from how Orks used to be.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/17 17:59:44


Post by: Orkimedez_Atalaya


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 fraser1191 wrote:
Hey guys I was thinking about an ork army but I was curious. How customisable are the new vehicles? Without bits are they all gonna look the same? (same kits that is)


Not very customizable. Which is a departure from how Orks used to be.


"Not very" is an understatement. They are beautiful kits though.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/17 18:23:31


Post by: CthuluIsSpy


Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 fraser1191 wrote:
Hey guys I was thinking about an ork army but I was curious. How customisable are the new vehicles? Without bits are they all gonna look the same? (same kits that is)


Not very customizable. Which is a departure from how Orks used to be.


"Not very" is an understatement. They are beautiful kits though.


Well, you can choose to put extra gasoline jerrycans on the Wartrike. So that counts I guess? Compared to 4th ed kits though, where you have so many spare parts its not even funny...yeah, a bit bland.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/17 18:32:03


Post by: fraser1191


 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
 fraser1191 wrote:
Hey guys I was thinking about an ork army but I was curious. How customisable are the new vehicles? Without bits are they all gonna look the same? (same kits that is)


Not very customizable. Which is a departure from how Orks used to be.


"Not very" is an understatement. They are beautiful kits though.


Well, you can choose to put extra gasoline jerrycans on the Wartrike. So that counts I guess? Compared to 4th ed kits though, where you have so many spare parts its not even funny...yeah, a bit bland.


Yeah I'm in love with the boomdakka snazzwagon but I'd rather not have the guy on the back in the exact same pose. Plus it looks amazing with the deathskulls paint job on the site.

I hope there's more really nice kits this October even just to look at, but psychic Awakening is in "autumn" so that might overtake it unfortunately


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/17 18:45:44


Post by: Jidmah


Boomdakka Snazzwagon allows zero posing and has no extra bits, which seems to be true for all new buggies. You can probably customize it just fine with bits from other kits though.
I guess that's why their kits are relatively cheap, as you get only one tightly packed sprue.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/17 19:44:40


Post by: Orkimedez_Atalaya


Currently I only own a megatrakk Scrapjet and there are 0 bits left after assembly. None. Nada.

Endless spells in 40k may bring a new weirdboy mini though. A new multi kit for the big mek and MAN warboss would be much welcome.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/17 20:50:59


Post by: Dysartes


 Kaiyanwang wrote:
Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:

Why a mek would have standarized and enforced weaponry is a design decision I will never ever understand.

The medical term is "Post-Chapterhouse Stress Disorder", or PCSD.

The cure for which involves a proctologist...


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/18 02:01:13


Post by: SemperMortis


BrianDavion wrote:
 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Maybe Orruktober with the AoS release?

 Mmmpi wrote:
Nope, this year it's going to be "All Saints Day Sisters"

Sisters in Nunvember?


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BrianDavion wrote:
honestly I think 90% of the Orktober hype was fan created.

GW did a bad job of managing expectations and many Ork players did a bad job of managing their own expectations.


I think it was ahrd to manage them, I remember nearly a year in advance we where getting so called rumors caliming "2018 WILL BE THE YEAR OF THE XENOS! OCTOBER WILL BE ORKTOBER AND IT WILL BE BIG!" so when the claimed year of the xenos doesn't arrive (or more accurately it wasn't what people expected) people got upset. you saw people raging because GW released custodes in febuary, and "IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE YEAR OF THE XENOS"

by time 2018 had arrived people I think expected NOTHING but xenos releases and expected a compelte reissue of the eldar and ork ranges etc


Well lets take a look at the releases for 8th and try to understand why Xenos players were a bit peeved. Codex releases in order: Space Marines, Grey Knights, Death Guard, Adeptus Mechanicus, First Xenos Race, Space Elves, Imperial Guard, SECOND Xenos race, Australian Wildlife, Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Chaos Daemons, Custodes, Thousand Sons. So of the first 12 releases, 2 were Xenos. After that we had Tau, Crons, Dark Space Elves and Harlequins before 3 more imperial factions Deathwatch, Knights and Space puppies. After all of that you finally had orkz. In other words, Xenos were basically an afterthought for 8th edition and it shows by the release schedule. As far as the Orktober release itself, well that was a bit of a disappointment in itself due to the fact that the releases were underwhelming to say the least. I love the new kits...a bit, but the rules are trash and the codex left us with a lot to wonder about, like wtf was GW smoking. One of the biggest complaints orkz had that they wanted addressed was the plethora of units that were basically unusable, they found a way to actually make some of these units even more useless. My Biker Horde and Deff Kopta Skawdron is still collecting dust

Regardless, maybe we get lucky in CA .


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/18 02:21:38


Post by: BrianDavion


so wjhat you;re saying is there's a grand total of 6 xenos armies in the game and thus imperial and chaos releases come more often?

WELL NO gak.

And this BTW is my biggest problem with the Xenos whine fest. they seem to think a release of Space Wolves is somehow something guard players should snap up. some of us (in fact a lot of us) like to play mono codex. hell space wolves where rightly annoyed having to wait so long for their codex considering how much of it was cut and paste from the SM codex.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/18 02:49:47


Post by: SemperMortis


BrianDavion wrote:
so wjhat you;re saying is there's a grand total of 6 xenos armies in the game and thus imperial and chaos releases come more often?

WELL NO gak.

And this BTW is my biggest problem with the Xenos whine fest. they seem to think a release of Space Wolves is somehow something guard players should snap up. some of us (in fact a lot of us) like to play mono codex. hell space wolves where rightly annoyed having to wait so long for their codex considering how much of it was cut and paste from the SM codex.


Why are there so many SM factions? Aren't they the exact same army with just a few differences? How about for Eldar they get a completely different codex for each Craft World? How about for every Tau Sept they get a different Codex? How about for every hive fleet there is a different codex? How about for orkz each Klan gets its own Codex?

So why are there so many imperial/chaos factions? Because GW has turned each aspect of them into a different codex. Tau, Ork, Eldar, Necrons, Nidz, Dark Eldar, Harlequins and Genestealers. With the exceptions of Genestealers which are a subset of Nidz and Harlequins which are a subset of Eldar, every faction could get numerous sub faction codexs.

LOL.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/18 03:19:05


Post by: BrianDavion


Because the Imperial factions SELL. the IoM is the narative focus of 40k. there are a huge number of factions within in that lend themselves to entire codices. such as the admech custodes, space marines, Imperial guard etc. what fluff support is there for say an entire ARMY of guys attached to eldar titans that are seperate from eldar (just as an example)

and yes other subfactions could get their own codex (hell a Ork Freebooterz Codex would be a fun diea and easy to make distinct from normal Orks) but the fact is there's also the MONEY issue. GW belives for some reason that there's not sufficant intreast in 15 differant varities of eldar. and TBH.. they're proably right.

End of the day, we have the factions we have because GW is a busniess and there's insufficant intreast in "codex obscure alien race part 2"


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/18 23:43:07


Post by: SemperMortis


BrianDavion wrote:
Because the Imperial factions SELL. the IoM is the narative focus of 40k. there are a huge number of factions within in that lend themselves to entire codices. such as the admech custodes, space marines, Imperial guard etc. what fluff support is there for say an entire ARMY of guys attached to eldar titans that are seperate from eldar (just as an example)

and yes other subfactions could get their own codex (hell a Ork Freebooterz Codex would be a fun diea and easy to make distinct from normal Orks) but the fact is there's also the MONEY issue. GW belives for some reason that there's not sufficant intreast in 15 differant varities of eldar. and TBH.. they're proably right.

End of the day, we have the factions we have because GW is a busniess and there's insufficant intreast in "codex obscure alien race part 2"


Have you ever heard of a catch 22? Because IoM armies SELL! maybe they sell because they get more new factions, more new units, more new rules and more updates then any other faction by a long shot. Orkz went from 4th edition to 8th edition with a handful of new units being added. We had a bunch of units finally get upgraded from the 80s and 90s mind you but I am talking strictly about new units. Just Space Marines, what did they get? I will bet you a fair chunk of change that it was a lot more then orkz got. Same for most Xenos armies. Hell, Space Marines probably got more new releases then the entirety of the Xenos combined.



Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/19 00:01:24


Post by: catbarf


BrianDavion wrote:
Because the Imperial factions SELL.


I can't count how many times I've heard some variant on 'I really like Eldar, but I don't want to build an army that's all Finecast'.

Imperial factions, and Space Marines in particular, are the best-supported, get the most new kits, have the most synergy on the tabletop, are the perspective that 90+% of the fiction is written from, and are the starting point new players are steered towards- is it any wonder they sell more?


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/19 00:33:59


Post by: Eonfuzz


catbarf wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Because the Imperial factions SELL.


I can't count how many times I've heard some variant on 'I really like Eldar, but I don't want to build an army that's all Finecast'.

Imperial factions, and Space Marines in particular, are the best-supported, get the most new kits, have the most synergy on the tabletop, are the perspective that 90+% of the fiction is written from, and are the starting point new players are steered towards- is it any wonder they sell more?


"because effort is put into making a faction sell is it any surprise it sells more" - Catbarf


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/19 13:39:38


Post by: G00fySmiley


There was a local player who has a space marine army and a few other armies. when the ork buggies were shown he showed interest in starting orks. after seeing the ork codex and seeign how much more it would cost to build an effective army he bailed on the idea.

mek guns were a big factor there as was needing 3 boxes of boyz to make one troop choice. $105 USD for 210 points of boyz, literallt $.50 per point (he only wants new on sprue models and buys retail price from a local store that does not do any discounts)


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/19 14:41:15


Post by: Nazrak


 G00fySmiley wrote:
There was a local player who has a space marine army and a few other armies. when the ork buggies were shown he showed interest in starting orks. after seeing the ork codex and seeign how much more it would cost to build an effective army he bailed on the idea.

mek guns were a big factor there as was needing 3 boxes of boyz to make one troop choice. $105 USD for 210 points of boyz, literallt $.50 per point (he only wants new on sprue models and buys retail price from a local store that does not do any discounts)

There's not really any getting round "making an Ork army is more expensive than a Space Marine one because the former requires more models" though, is there? It's kind of baked into the faction identity, and has been the case pretty much forever.


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/19 14:53:55


Post by: G00fySmiley


 Nazrak wrote:
 G00fySmiley wrote:
There was a local player who has a space marine army and a few other armies. when the ork buggies were shown he showed interest in starting orks. after seeing the ork codex and seeign how much more it would cost to build an effective army he bailed on the idea.

mek guns were a big factor there as was needing 3 boxes of boyz to make one troop choice. $105 USD for 210 points of boyz, literallt $.50 per point (he only wants new on sprue models and buys retail price from a local store that does not do any discounts)

There's not really any getting round "making an Ork army is more expensive than a Space Marine one because the former requires more models" though, is there? It's kind of baked into the faction identity, and has been the case pretty much forever.


while true, there are some particularly offensive models like the mek guns that can cost over $1 per point. I undersand they want to mak a certain amount of profit per kit just seems horde troops in general are overcosted money wise considering how many you need. I jsut wish GW put mroe it the box, like 15 boys in a box or 17 termigaunts in a box to kind of offset that a bit


Orktober predictions @ 2019/08/20 11:48:41


Post by: warhead01


I have zero expectations for another Orktober I don't care if the ever have another one or not. The last one was such a huge disappointment in my opinion. It turned into such a buzz kill.