I fully expect to see tanks for Mechanicum as well as a few more models for them being released. This might include superheavies for them.

I expect to see Astartes superheavies released alongside Molech or shortly thereafter. That or theres going to be a wave of new titans first. GW wants people to buy and field titans to shift the meta in favor of bug expensive things before implimenting a bunch of units that exist explicitly to say FU to titans (which will shift meta back towards smaller less expensive things).

As of right now, all of those weapons are confined to titans and knights (new dark mech spider-mechs included) with the sole exception of the shadowsword, which likely was only included because it worked as a multikit with the stormsword and stormblade.

Once the "big boy" criteria is met i think we will see factions like astartes, auxilia, and mechanicum get more direct access to engine killers like doomhammers, cerberuses, falchions, ordinatus, etc.

chaos0xomega wrote:
I expect to see Astartes superheavies released alongside Molech or shortly thereafter. That or theres going to be a wave of new titans first. GW wants people to buy and field titans to shift the meta in favor of bug expensive things before implimenting a bunch of units that exist explicitly to say FU to titans (which will shift meta back towards smaller less expensive things).

New titans beyond an Imperator or plastic weapon sprues for existing titans seems unlikely. Sales of larger models like that tend to be lower, aside from a few notable mentions like primachs. GW just has the benefit of re-using the original molds from Adeptus Titanicus for Legions Imperialis to make more money.

Moloch would be interesting, but Istvaan 3 & 5 might make more sense after the last few Mechanicum kits.

Didn't the Ultramarines used many Felblades on Molech against that Traitorious ruling Knight House of that World?

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
I expect to see Astartes superheavies released alongside Molech or shortly thereafter. That or theres going to be a wave of new titans first. GW wants people to buy and field titans to shift the meta in favor of bug expensive things before implimenting a bunch of units that exist explicitly to say FU to titans (which will shift meta back towards smaller less expensive things).

New titans beyond an Imperator or plastic weapon sprues for existing titans seems unlikely. Sales of larger models like that tend to be lower, aside from a few notable mentions like primachs. GW just has the benefit of re-using the original molds from Adeptus Titanicus for Legions Imperialis to make more money.

Moloch would be interesting, but Istvaan 3 & 5 might make more sense after the last few Mechanicum kits.

We are still hoping for the Rapier light scout titan, plus a few upgrade sprues for the corrupted/daemon titans would be well recieved. Maybe a non-Nemesis version of the Warbringer that trades the heavy carapace mount for support systems like jammers, targeting arrays, or void shield projectors.

I wouldn't expect the full sized beasts, but Ordinatus Minoris would make a lot of sense for the Mechanicum as their superheavy tank slot.

On Molech, do we have a specific rumour or evidence that’s up next/on the slate?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
On Molech, do we have a specific rumour or evidence that’s up next/on the slate?

I think it's mainly a combination of:
a) We're expecting knight & marine super-heavy units in the coming months, and they both featured in that campaign
b) Molech was previously covered in detail for AT so GW have a lot of existing fluff to throw into a supplement, much like the Beta-Garmon books for AT > LI > HH

Beta Garmon and Molech have gotten a lot of attention recently. Tallarn could use a bit more, maybe to tie into the whole "tanks and more tanks" theme of HH coming up, but how about Paramar?

Surely Armigers are the most sensible of the resin Knights to get into plastic. They're a terrible value proposition in resin, I'd like to have some for LI and AT but I can't imagine paying what they cost in resin.

Also, don't think I saw it mentioned yet (?) but the separate release of the Triaros comes with a decal sheet. Not a great surprise, but a bit disappointing that the battle group didn't come with a copy as some of the smaller transfers would probably fit some of the robots too. But looks like it has a nice mix of small symbols - bit more limited on the larger ones though.

I can only agree about the Armigers. In 30K they're sensibly used as the "troops" of the Knight Houses, and yet GW doesn't follow the same good sense for LI. Introducing both Armiger-focused formations, and a plastic kit, would go a long way to improving Knights as a primary force in LI. GW should have done this at the launch of the game, not this late into it.

30k is probably due a Tallarn book next, at least if the trend of LI and 30k synching their books is any indication.

After that, I dunno, probably something with Iron Warriors and Salamanders early in the conflict if the rumours around the next edition are to be believed? They could always invent something that hadn't been touched on in any detail like the Siege of Cthonia for 2nd. But again that assumes they're interested in doing the synchronised book approach going forward.

AT had a Shadow Crusade book, so maybe they'll revisit that if they don't do Molech first, as neither have been covered by 30k.

The problem with armigers is that they might not make sense in the context of sprue/kit design vs unit makeup.

They come in sets of 3/6/9 rules wise, kit wise they need to be 2 identical sprues. Youre not going to be able to sell a kit of 3, youre not going to be able to sell a kit of 9, you can sell a set of 6 but those would be pretty sparse sprues as you can certainly fit more than 3 of them on a single sprue (bout the same size as a thanatar which come 4 to a sprue though the thanatar is much bulkier).

Maybe if the sprue included parts for both the armiger and moirax, so you can build three of either per sprue?

chaos0xomega wrote:
The problem with armigers is that they might not make sense in the context of sprue/kit design vs unit makeup.

They come in sets of 3/6/9 rules wise, kit wise they need to be 2 identical sprues. Youre not going to be able to sell a kit of 3, youre not going to be able to sell a kit of 9, you can sell a set of 6 but those would be pretty sparse sprues as you can certainly fit more than 3 of them on a single sprue (bout the same size as a thanatar which come 4 to a sprue though the thanatar is much bulkier).

Maybe if the sprue included parts for both the armiger and moirax, so you can build three of either per sprue?

Armigers and / or Moirax in 3/6/9 makes perfect sense, many kits are 2/3 of a full unit or 6 in a box in this case. We have examples of sparse sprues to boot, like Sicarians.I'm curious if GW will charge Legion Imperialis kit prices or the grandfathered Questoris Knight kit prices when these eventually drop.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The problem with armigers is that they might not make sense in the context of sprue/kit design vs unit makeup.

They come in sets of 3/6/9 rules wise, kit wise they need to be 2 identical sprues. Youre not going to be able to sell a kit of 3, youre not going to be able to sell a kit of 9, you can sell a set of 6 but those would be pretty sparse sprues as you can certainly fit more than 3 of them on a single sprue (bout the same size as a thanatar which come 4 to a sprue though the thanatar is much bulkier).

Maybe if the sprue included parts for both the armiger and moirax, so you can build three of either per sprue?

That's actually a good point, although each Armiger could be built as either a Helverin or Warglaive, and then the option of two carapace weapons.

The Armiger is not much bigger than a Leviathan. I can easily see them be 12 to a box with weapon options with the Moirax a seperate kit

For comparison

But then think about that, if theyre 12 to a box, how many people would buy more than 1 box? Most folks probably wont fiekd that many armigers in a single games fewer will fiekd more than that. Thats 720 points of armigers, basically 25% of your army in the standard size game. The only kits for LI that deliver that much points value are basically warmaster titans at more than 3x the price of the typical kit.

chaos0xomega wrote:
But then think about that, if theyre 12 to a box, how many people would buy more than 1 box? Most folks probably wont fiekd that many armigers in a single games fewer will fiekd more than that. Thats 720 points of armigers, basically 25% of your army in the standard size game. The only kits for LI that deliver that much points value are basically warmaster titans at more than 3x the price of the typical kit.

They could be going for the "you need to buy 6 boxes to run 9 of each Armiger" way. or, they could run it at 8 to a box to really mess with completionists

As an aside, if they do plastic Moirax's, I hope they use that as the opportunity to add in the conversion beamer and graviton pulsar

Molech would probably line up with the rumour that I heard of the next book being SoH Vs Ultramarines. We have had a couple of books now where Marines haven't been centre stage and that is both unusual for GW and means it is overdue (although the game did need padding out beyond marine on marine action, so glad they took that route).

That would also then involve Blood Angels and Death Guard, potentially with special formations for each, and perhaps even marine super heavies?
It makes perfect sense - which is why the next book will be based on Damnation of Pythos, where you can only field Iron Hands Vs a new range of giant lizards.

I really like the sound of "giant lizards"!

Because I WOULD! I would give them a damn good SLAYING!!!

Resin Armigers/Moirax nearly broke me, both financially and in spirit when I tried assembling them. Easily one of my worst GW hobby experiences.

They could probably solve the sprue number issue by introducing new detachments and detachment upgrades with the next book ?

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:
I'm curious if GW will charge Legion Imperialis kit prices or the grandfathered Questoris Knight kit prices when these eventually drop.

When a plastic kit is likely to move low numbers, GW love to squeeze extra sales out of it via starter or bundle boxes.If they go this route (6 Armigers in a single sprue box for ~£28) then I suspect it'll also be offset by putting them into a new Knight battlegroup or even a refreshed AT starter set.

SamusDrake wrote:
I really like the sound of "giant lizards"!

Because I WOULD! I would give them a damn good SLAYING!!!

Exodites confirmed!

YAY!!!

Time to get back to actual news and rumours. Make a different thread for wish listing please.

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:
3 more Mechanicum LI kits up for sale in Jan:

What's the release cycle like for LI? I just started grabbing the Dark Mech stalkers and was thinking of adding some more tanks.

Usually something every quarter. We’re into somewhat unknown territory now, as there’s the three armies rather than two. So what those waves might look like now remains to be seen.

The resin knights (Atrapos, Stryix, Mageara, Asterius) have been removed from the US store. Moirax and Armigers still available in 8mm resin

We can only hope...

More interesting on the UK store, some of the resin Titan weapons are now showing as Sold Out online... Retooling in plastic? Maybe?

 zedmeister wrote:
More interesting on the UK store, some of the resin Titan weapons are now showing as Sold Out online... Retooling in plastic? Maybe?

My new favourite copium theory is an updated Adeptus Titanicus starter box that subsidises some of the Mechanicum knights & resin weapons moving to plastic...

The fact they continued to include physical AT rules with the Dire Wolf & darkmech stalkers makes me think it's not being abandoned entirely, even if just exists to supplement LI releases going forwards.

 xttz wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
More interesting on the UK store, some of the resin Titan weapons are now showing as Sold Out online... Retooling in plastic? Maybe?

My new favourite copium theory is an updated Adeptus Titanicus starter box that subsidises some of the Mechanicum knights & resin weapons moving to plastic...

The fact they continued to include physical AT rules with the Dire Wolf & darkmech stalkers makes me think it's not being abandoned entirely, even if just exists to supplement LI releases going forwards.

We can but hope.

Honestly, what they should also do is combine the campaign books into a single release. So, the next book isn't just LI but includes rules and options for all three Epic scale games.

Styrix and Magaera Knights!



https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gzbkew9e/heresy-thursday-mechanicum-knights-rally-in-legions-imperialis/

Confirmed as plastic in the article. And can build four of either design.

Just double checking the date....nope, it ain't 1st April. Must be legit.

Sweet. That's good next for me.

Right into my veins. The resin version broke my (non-machine) spirit when it was released a couple years back.

Amazed to see these before the Mech tanks.

Very nice! And nice to see these are still coming with Titanicus terminals. Just need Amigers now...!


Fluff question on these - is the idea that these form the bulk of a Mechanicum Household vs a regular Imperial household? Or should these be mixed in with normal Questoris knights even in a Mechanicum-based house?

Never been a massive fan of the regular questoris knights, but I do like these more. Or is it a case of maybe converting some of these with the regular questoris weapons for a 'proper' Mechanicum household...?

Oh and any thoughts on this bit from the end of the article - "with a choice of Mechanium or Questoris Household banners", do we reckon that is different style crotch banner pieces, or different (new?) decals?

 ingtaer wrote:
Amazed to see these before the Mech tanks.

Yeah, that is a bit weird. Wonder if there's been some production issue with the tanks or something? - does seem strange after they were pictured in that one article and given GW's usual approach to having rules without models...

I hope the little knights get done in plastic, too, and with a good number of them in a box.

Atropos next please!

Great news for AT players! I always liked the size and look of these for LI/AT

This makes me happy that GWs best game hadn't been forgotten... totally.

That's all the Knights... unless they want to crank out some Armiger Moriax next.

Thats not all the knights, still missing plastic atropos and asterius, as well as the dominus classes

chaos0xomega wrote:
Thats not all the knights, still missing plastic atropos and asterius, as well as the dominus classes

You are correct, forgot they were resin.

But, the Dominus doesn't exist in the Horus Heresy. I don't understand why.

Excellent news on the Mechanicum Knights, especially the AT Terminals. Time for a happy dance.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:


But, the Dominus doesn't exist in the Horus Heresy. I don't understand why.

Because I was excited for the release of Libre Mechanicum and had my heart set on a Dominus Knight. Someone at GW decided my money wasn't good enough for them and left it on the table.

Whenever there's a GW game I'm interested in they'll always have a deal breaker.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:


But, the Dominus doesn't exist in the Horus Heresy. I don't understand why.

HH doesn't really gel with the "cover it in glue and roll it around in a weapon bits box" style used by dominus knights & primaris vehicles.

 xttz wrote:


HH doesn't really gel with the "cover it in glue and roll it around in a weapon bits box" style used by dominus knights & primaris vehicles.

Not seeing that personally as the Dominus is one of the best looking Knight models, but if GW are going for two different era styles then they should have made the distinction with the Mechanicum Knights for 30K and the others for 40K.

SamusDrake wrote:

 xttz wrote:


HH doesn't really gel with the "cover it in glue and roll it around in a weapon bits box" style used by dominus knights & primaris vehicles.

Not seeing that personally as the Dominus is one of the best looking Knight models, but if GW are going for two different era styles then they should have made the distinction with the Mechanicum Knights for 30K and the others for 40K.

Plus the Dominus Knight is older than the Imperium.

I agree with the idea that the 30k Knights should be all Mechanicum with hardwired pilots that never leave their suits and 40k can be what we think of Knights now, with chivalry and the like.

Not seeing that personally as the Dominus is one of the best looking Knight models, but if GW are going for two different era styles then they should have made the distinction with the Mechanicum Knights for 30K and the others for 40K.

Plus the Dominus Knight is older than the Imperium.

I agree with the idea that the 30k Knights should be all Mechanicum with hardwired pilots that never leave their suits and 40k can be what we think of Knights now, with chivalry and the like.

Questoris Knights are older than the Imperium too, and they are iconic, imho far more better than Mechanicum ones.

Dominus is not good as Questoris, too guns, too weird details, it appears to me like a toy. Many other units deserve Legions Imperialis scale.

Depends how you view the technological progression and regression.

Me? It’s not a straight forward downward slope from X to Y.

So the Dominus may be a good deal heavier than the Questoris, and in certain roles better than the same. But when your Household is full of functional suits, the Questoris provide a faster, more aggressive force, and so the slower but more individually heavily armed Dominus falls out of favour.

Then, as stuff is broken, lost, nicked, forgotten, stuffed down the back of the sofa or put somewhere sensible so you’ll know where to find it*? You just can’t maintain all those Questoris. But those mothballed Dominus, despite having a more complex shield and fire control system** are the ones you can now maintain, and provide enough pilots for. And so your overall strategic and tactical options and preferences shift accordingly.

*That last one means you’re never seeing that thing ever, ever again. We all know this to be an immutable law of the universe. Enforced by the Stuff Goblins

**That bit is just for example effect and is not a background based claim, k?

 1984Phantom wrote:


Dominus is not good as Questoris, too guns, too weird details, it appears to me like a toy. Many other units deserve Legions Imperialis scale.

Well, I respect your opinion...but thats one of it's good qualities!

For Legions Imperialis the Porphyrion fills the "walking fortress" role well enough and for this game its not a big loss, even if I would like the models all the same. But they would definitely be welcome in both AT and 30K, to fix the issues with the Porphyrion in those games.

30K its okay rules wise, but its a resin model that costs £450. No thanks. I'd much rather the plastic alternative for £115. For AT the Dominus is the perfect Lance replacement for the critically panned Porphyrion, which despite an updated terminal for LI still has conflicting rules for the Asterius which now has it's own separate terminal.

Another Legions Imperialis reveal this week, according to Warcom.

Not even going to place a bet.

Mk4 Marines or that Atropos Knight :

AdMech tanks or Atrapos.

Either way they don't need to release a new supplement for a while.

There's still Custodes to introduce.

Would be funny, if they tease the next Expansion without completing the Mechanicus Releases.

Remember, we got Units from the Rulebook released with the First Expantion without a release earlier.

SamusDrake wrote:
There's still Custodes to introduce.

Hopefully.

I'd hope for the duology of the Talons rather than the Custodes alone.

I'd love to have the small Knights (Harmigers/Helverins) in plastic (they are the ones I thought of when I said the resin model broke my spirit).

Custodes & SoS have so few units that a single infantry LI kit could feasibly contain everything for both of them

Very salty, but who knows:

Depends on what they ultimately intend to do with Adeptus Titanicus, but the Psi-Warlord and Belicosa-Warbringer would be ideal as new plastic kits.

Imperial Knight variant could be the ones we’ve just had previewed.

The rest is at least plausible. Barring the general lack of Mechanicum and Solar Auxilia release.

 Dysartes wrote:
I'd hope for the duology of the Talons rather than the Custodes alone.

Does LI have enough of a psychic presence for the SoS to fight?

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
I'd hope for the duology of the Talons rather than the Custodes alone.

Does LI have enough of a psychic presence for the SoS to fight?

Perhaps if you had that as part of the expansion focus. Librarians & sorcerers (perhaps using something like the fate card/tarot system rather than individual powers), SoS and daemons etc.
Feels like that could be a fairly solid book/range expansion.

 Tastyfish wrote:

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
I'd hope for the duology of the Talons rather than the Custodes alone.

Does LI have enough of a psychic presence for the SoS to fight?

Perhaps if you had that as part of the expansion focus. Librarians & sorcerers (perhaps using something like the fate card/tarot system rather than individual powers), SoS and daemons etc.
Feels like that could be a fairly solid book/range expansion.

The "natural" expansion to have that as a focus would be the Burning of Prospero, it conveniently had both Custodes and Sisters present and a lot of psykers in the form of the Thousand Sons (and some 'Can't believe it's not psykers™' Runepriests) present. It also is early-heresy, which seems to be the era we've been stuck to at the moment. On the contrary, the legions present are very much not generic, and you'd need to have Primarch models to do that battle proper justice, and it does not feel like either Primarch or legion-specific units are on the menu for now, which is probably a wise decision for a game that's just getting on its legs by providing the bread-and-butter, generic/iconic stuff for the largest factions.

Prospero is the only Scenario in which I could see Custodes and Sisters as a LI Army.

But that also needs non-Mk6 Marines.

Legion Windicator please! It's about the only model missing from the 1st edition epic Space Marine + Codex Titanicus ruleset

RazorEdge wrote:
Prospero is the only Scenario in which I could see Custodes and Sisters as a LI Army.

But that also needs non-Mk6 Marines.

War in the Webway? Seige of Cthonia? Seige of Terra? There are plenty of conflicts they can participate as a full-fledged force, not just a detachment.

I personally don't believe we'll see them anytime soon. There are plenty of units to release for existing factions in 2025.

Well, Andy did say they will be fleshing out auxilia and astartes for the next year or two..

CorwinB wrote:
I'd love to have the small Knights (Harmigers/Helverins) in plastic (they are the ones I thought of when I said the resin model broke my spirit).

Their existence in AT broke my brain.

 tauist wrote:
Legion Windicator please! It's about the only model missing from the 1st edition epic Space Marine + Codex Titanicus ruleset

My imperial fists yearn for the vindicator (and typhon). Also some more infantry options to use the legion trait with would be cool.

That rumour list above seems to be a bunch of the most common theories / predictions for LI from the last few months. Even if the rumour is made up I fully expect to see several of those kits this year anyway.

Yeah, infantry variants would be cool. Mixing and matching stands would be nice. What else could they put on the MkIII sprue? Breachers? Mortalis Destroyers? Despoilers?

 zedmeister wrote:
Yeah, infantry variants would be cool. Mixing and matching stands would be nice. What else could they put on the MkIII sprue? Breachers? Mortalis Destroyers? Despoilers?

Breachers, Despoilers, Tartaros terminators, Recon marines

Indeed. another infantry kit with all those would be great. I could LItbash those heavy weapons for my beakies as well. Tartaros Terminators would be a delight since they look much more like Indomi termies at epic scale than the existing ones..

Would expect more Bolter-Marines, but just in Mk3, maybe Breachers instead of Assault Marines.

 tauist wrote:
Custodes & SoS have so few units that a single infantry LI kit could feasibly contain everything for both of them

Including the caimans!

RazorEdge wrote:Prospero is the only Scenario in which I could see Custodes and Sisters as a LI Army.

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:

War in the Webway?

I agree. Impossible City siege. Mechanicum, Titans, Knights and Custodes vs Demons, Chaos Legionaries, Chaos Titans.

ccs wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Custodes & SoS have so few units that a single infantry LI kit could feasibly contain everything for both of them

Including the caimans!

Armour Thralls are still missing in 32mm Horus Heresy, Astartes serfs too. Support units for Knights too. On the battlefied they could provide support to the main detachment.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:


Breachers, Despoilers, Tartaros terminators, Recon marines

Doubt we’ll see recon marines. MkIII is too clunky and noisy for stealth operations,

My guess for a mk iii box:

- 4 stands for a Tactical squad
- 4 stands for a breacher squad - breachers become a second core option
- 2 stands meltaguns
- 2 stands lascannons
- 4 contemptors with alt weapons
- 2 mkiii command stands

ccs wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Custodes & SoS have so few units that a single infantry LI kit could feasibly contain everything for both of them

Including the caimans!

SoS have caimans?

 ph34r wrote:

ccs wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Custodes & SoS have so few units that a single infantry LI kit could feasibly contain everything for both of them

Including the caimans!

SoS have caimans?

Yep, the Sisters of Silence have gators...

So what are we expecting today? The Atrapos or Asterius would be the save choices but maybe we'll see something unexpected?

(Or maybe they'll finally show off the Karacnos and Krios)

I bet my soul for Karacnos and Krios.

More salt:

Maybe the Knight will be that Knight with a AWACS dish on top, that's been rumored for a while.

Still not holding my breath for 4chan rumours.

Having said that, if GW were to do a new knight at that size then the old slaanesh hellknight or hellstrider chassis would be a cool callback to do.

I have no comment on the validity of 4chan rumors, but these don't sound super out there.. so some of them might end up being correct

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/3lswhui5/heresy-thursday-mechanicum-heavy-support-for-legions-imperialis/

Took them a while. Still good to see them

Looks like I do keep my soul for one more day. Dark Gods are not pleased.

 ph34r wrote:

ccs wrote:

 tauist wrote:
Custodes & SoS have so few units that a single infantry LI kit could feasibly contain everything for both of them

Including the caimans!

SoS have caimans?

Yep.
In HH they have a Fast Attack hunting pack squad. They can include mastiffs/great cats/or....caimans.
I guess the only reason to include the dogs or cats would be if you couldn't source caimans.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/3lswhui5/heresy-thursday-mechanicum-heavy-support-for-legions-imperialis/

Well this explains the unit size discrepancies between the Krios & Venator. I was wondering if they were going to be separate kits due to that.

So after the Styrix last week that's three new releases revealed which are all covered by existing rules. I wonder if they will add plastic Atrapos / Asterius kits to this next wave too, or save them for later.

Bit disappointed it wasn't something else, but hey, Mechanicum needs love as well.

RazorEdge wrote:
More salt:

What does it mean "auxilia special weapons?" Rotor cannon or Volkite Veletaris?

I've done mine volkite detachments with some infantry box..

When they completed the "Rise of the Dark Mechanicum" releases, which Mechanicum Stuff is missing from LI with rules?

is there much more than those Self-Propelled Super Lasers?

RazorEdge wrote:
When they completed the "Rise of the Dark Mechanicum" releases, which Mechanicum Stuff is missing from LI with rules?

is there much more than those Self-Propelled Super Lasers?

It's just the two tank kits announced last week.

Potentially we could also see more knights like Atrapos move from resin to plastic, as then everything could release together without waiting on a new supplement book.

There's also the more esoteric releases like the Secutarii or even the Macrocarid they could do at some point in the future for Mechanicum

iirc they discontinued the Macrocarid, which is why no-one ever mentions it. My assumption is that it was a mold issue like with the IH Contemptor, so maybe they'll bring it back in plastic.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/1r1wmhxr/heresy-thursday-knights-with-mechanicum-technology-is-a-winning-combo-in-legions-imperialis/

The upcoming plastic Cerastus Knights Atrapos kit builds four individual Knights for use in Legions Imperialis, while the Acastus Knights Asterius box contains two giant walkers. Rules for both detachments can be found in the Legions Imperialis Core Rulebook, while expanded rules for fielding entire armies of Knights and more Mechanicum-aligned machines are included in The Rise of the Dark Mechanicum. They will be up for pre-order soon.

Yay! Plastic!

Excellent stuff. I love the Asterius and have the resin one and it get's regular use. May have to get a few more...

Since they are in plastic - I wonder if they can enlarge them to 30k scale...

Until then, AT just got some affordable reinforcements.

 Quixote wrote:
Since they are in plastic - I wonder if they can enlarge them to 30k scale...

We'll probably see the Sytrix & Atrapos in plastic sooner rather than later. Most of these kits are designed for both scales at the same time, even if one scale gets delayed or held back indefinitely.

Am I right thinking the Laser Cnunky Knights are already in plastic?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Am I right thinking the Laser Cnunky Knights are already in plastic?

The Acastus Porphyrion? Yes they are.
With the exception of Armigers every resin Knight is now in plastic

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Am I right thinking the Laser Cnunky Knights are already in plastic?

The Acastus Porphyrions? Then yes, they've been plastic since back in the AT days (with completely broken rules)

With the exception of Armigers every resin Knight is now in plastic

Keeping the most needed for last...

This article doesn't say anything about AT terminals...

CorwinB wrote:

Keeping the most needed for last...

Agreed, and only expecting the Moirax next as it's the remaining Mechanicum Knight.

I'm guessing that the House Armigers( Warglaives & Helverins ) are being held back for a book that focuses on Knight Houses, probably Molech.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
This article doesn't say anything about AT terminals...

Yeah, I was wondering that myself. They probably forgot to mention it, as the Styrix/Magaera has them.

Nice! I always thought these last ones were the best looking Knights of the bunch. Will certainly be adding one of both kits to the piles

Have wanted the Atropos for ages.

Fabulous announcement. Great news for AT and LI players.

LI - Errata & FAQ Update

No more skyfiring mole mortars but Rhinos and Drop Pods lost add towards the break point

Finally!

So, is it now worth starting to look into LI? I didnt want to bother earlier with all the triple march gak etc, but if these FAQs tone down the sillyness, I might finally bite.. But no games bigger than 1500 pts for me, and no detachment spam, thanks

It’s always worth getting into LI.

Epic. Is. King.

 tauist wrote:
Finally!

So, is it now worth starting to look into LI? I didnt want to bother earlier with all the triple march gak etc, but if these FAQs tone down the sillyness, I might finally bite.. But no games bigger than 1500 pts for me, and no detachment spam, thanks

It's definitely a step in the right direction. Not fixed all the rules issues (probably not a surprise) with LI, but for sure an improvement.

But as MDG says, it's still worth getting into an epic system - you can always use the LI models to play any of the other (still superior) forms of Epic anyway...!

Edit: I'm in the wrong country to be able to check my books at the moment, but am I right in thinking the Mechanicum errata makes it so that each base of Myrmidon destructors has both weapons (rather than having to choose one)? That's a plus (and sorry for those who based them seperately!).

I do have LI rulebook and the first expansion as EPUBs, but never seriously considered playing it until now. I have been collecting the models for 1st ed Space Marine / AT mainly. I'll see how the meta etc develops before making further investments..

Piousservant wrote:Edit: I'm in the wrong country to be able to check my books at the moment, but am I right in thinking the Mechanicum errata makes it so that each base of Myrmidon destructors has both weapons (rather than having to choose one)? That's a plus (and sorry for those who based them seperately!).

I am in the same room as the book, but have had to get up off my sofa to get it.

I trust Dakka will honour that sacrifice.

Yup. Looks to be a direct addition for both Myrmidon.

Thallaxi also got a nice boost. Lost 4” of range, but are now a bloody menace to tanks.

Before even clicking on WarCom I thought to myself "I bet it will be anything but the announcement of plastic Armigers. Probably the introduction of Xenos, the long lost Chapter of female marines, or even more far fetched - an FAQ & Errata for the rule book."

Naturally we should expect Xenos or Female Marines next.

Mechanicum infantry got a big boost with this.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Piousservant wrote:Edit: I'm in the wrong country to be able to check my books at the moment, but am I right in thinking the Mechanicum errata makes it so that each base of Myrmidon destructors has both weapons (rather than having to choose one)? That's a plus (and sorry for those who based them seperately!).

I am in the same room as the book, but have had to get up off my sofa to get it.

I trust Dakka will honour that sacrifice.

Yup. Looks to be a direct addition for both Myrmidon.

Thallaxi also got a nice boost. Lost 4” of range, but are now a bloody menace to tanks.

Your sacrifice is greatly appreciated indeed, thanks Doc!

That's awesome though, definitely a nice boost for the Mechanicum infantry.

And they've fixed Quake now so it actually works - though probably going to want a token for it or something, as it's likely to impact the following turn (certainly the kind of thing I'd forget otherwise).

March being reduced feels alright. Whilst I’m still yet to play (I keep saying I’m working on that, but turns out I’m a liar), I’d imagine it’s going to slow down infantry, reducing some of its appeal vs armour.

That FAQ&errata is brutal.

Most of what we were asking for is there. March, tarantulas, Quake, Neutron... the stupid AA mole mortar...

It is indeed fantastic, not sure on the change to Alpha Legion though, I agree that they needed nerfing but the change to no charge from infiltrate should do that.

The responses to this FAQ are making me think I should dive into LI after all...

I actually think this sort of "yearly" FAQ/Errata cycle feels pretty good to a filthy casual like me. Its enough time that you have time both to collect enough intel from games, and to properly balance your tweaks and test out their effect before going public with the changes. Too frequent FAQ/Errata releasing can sometimes feel rushed and become a churn.

Sadly, its very much in opposition to GW's expectations of "average customer retention time", so of course they will not adopt it into their 3 year itch systems..

No_Marines_Here wrote:
The responses to this FAQ are making me think I should dive into LI after all...

Hundreds of tiny mens compel thee, hundreds of tiny mens compel thee.

Come on, come and join the cool kids.

Since ROTDM the game has only improved, but a new edition is needed sooner rather than later.

The Titans stand out as a sore thumb, and given a little more depth GW can let go of AT altogether. It would be tragic to lose one of GW's most critically acclaimed games, but it's presence at this time feels like a temporary tyre patch until LI matures into a better game.

But until that happens I'm accepting it for what it is; a rough first edition that's fun but it's meta isn't worth losing sleep over.

New edition, wut? This game is less than 2 years old. I think we need more factions and units, which are definately in near future. If you mean rules update for the game, that can be easily fixed with errata or balance slate. So far, the only issues regarding rules I've found, are related to army construction, for example people min-maxing certain units and exploiting rules. That is easily fixed with something like errata.

SamusDrake wrote:
Since ROTDM the game has only improved, but a new edition is needed sooner rather than later.

The Titans stand out as a sore thumb, and given a little more depth GW can let go of AT altogether. It would be tragic to lose one of GW's most critically acclaimed games, but it's presence at this time feels like a temporary tyre patch until LI matures into a better game.

But until that happens I'm accepting it for what it is; a rough first edition that's fun but it's meta isn't worth losing sleep over.

With AT being the best thing GW have put out in over a decade I hope you’re wrong.

 Spreelock wrote:
New edition, wut? This game is less than 2 years old. I think we need more factions and units, which are definately in near future. If you mean rules update for the game, that can be easily fixed with errata or balance slate. So far, the only issues regarding rules I've found, are related to army construction, for example people min-maxing certain units and exploiting rules. That is easily fixed with something like errata.

Yeah it's far too soon for any kind of new edition. Even 40k with it's crazy schedule doesn't reprint the core rulebook after under 18 months. Meanwhile specialist games like this typically keep their core rules going for over 4 years.

With more of a casual 90's GW vibe and no real competitive scene to provide balance data, I think LI is perfectly suited to house rules for anyone who wants to tweak the balance in specific ways. My local group has been using the balance suggestions from Olden Demon's LI YouTube video, and after this I expect we'll tweak them a little further to encourage using a wider range of units.

 Sirius42 wrote:

With AT being the best thing GW have put out in over a decade I hope you’re wrong.

Between the ongoing support for in-box rules (stalkers) and treatment of games like Necromunda, I suspect the next step for AT will be an updated starter box without any substantial rules changes like a new edition. Most likely they revise the rulebook to include FAQs, but otherwise AT still plays as before. I also guess it would be used as a way to sell more recent models like the Mechanicum Knights or Dire Wolf.

 Spreelock wrote:
New edition, wut? This game is less than 2 years old. I think we need more factions and units, which are definately in near future. If you mean rules update for the game, that can be easily fixed with errata or balance slate. So far, the only issues regarding rules I've found, are related to army construction, for example people min-maxing certain units and exploiting rules. That is easily fixed with something like errata.

Model wise its been great, even if things did get off to a slow start. And absolutely we need more factions before moving on.

Ruleswise...just no. The game was released to luke-warm reviews at best, and even here in this thread we have dakka members asking if it's "safe to come out now?". An update can only polish what is already there...

Speaking for myself, I'm happy with Legions so long as they release plastic Armigers. Just waiting on them, and everything I need is from the core book and a bit of googling for the Titan and Knight formations. I'm certainly in no hurry when I've also got a copy of Horizon Wars on the shelf.


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 Sirius42 wrote:


With AT being the best thing GW have put out in over a decade I hope you’re wrong.

Me too, but all they've done so far is slap a card into a Legions Imperialis box, which can easily be removed going forward if Legions Imperialis sees a new edition with improved Titans rules.

Heh. LI should be integrated into AT instead

What a kinky thought...

Has anyone tried play LI but with titans using Adeptus Titanicus?

So like a game of AT overlaying a game of LI on the same board...hmmm. We're definitely tasting the forbidden fruit this morning!

But seriously, GW should be encouraging cross over campaigns between the two games.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Spreelock wrote:
New edition, wut? This game is less than 2 years old. I think we need more factions and units, which are definately in near future. If you mean rules update for the game, that can be easily fixed with errata or balance slate. So far, the only issues regarding rules I've found, are related to army construction, for example people min-maxing certain units and exploiting rules. That is easily fixed with something like errata.

Model wise its been great, even if things did get off to a slow start. And absolutely we need more factions before moving on.

Ruleswise...just no. The game was released to luke-warm reviews at best, and even here in this thread we have dakka members asking if it's "safe to come out now?". An update can only polish what is already there...

This is probably where I am with the game too. Good for play with gaming colleagues & at club nights if you are lucky enough to have late closing times, but not convinced the game is ideal for events and these updates (however positive) will change that.
It's definitely good though that these changes I think are addressing some of the more common complaints from the community, so good that someone is paying attention at least.

There were also rumours on SM about Epic 40k coming back - apparently from Adepticon. However when challenged there was absolutely nothing on the original sources, and looking back through it seemed to come from one person saying it. So a good opportunity to use Dakka's excellent salt shaker emote

 schoon wrote:
Heh. LI should be integrated into AT instead

Yeah, turns out there’s plenty of room at the bottom of the scale for infantry and vehicles in AT. They need different terrain rules though because what’s difficult or impassable to a Titan is not what’s difficult or impassible to infantry.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 schoon wrote:
Heh. LI should be integrated into AT instead

Yeah, turns out there’s plenty of room at the bottom of the scale for infantry and vehicles in AT. They need different terrain rules though because what’s difficult or impassable to a Titan is not what’s difficult or impassible to infantry.

There isn't, really. The AT+ project that BlackLegion has done is certainly playable, but just not what the rule set is about. For a combined arms game it's just less of a headache for everyone involved to start from a ruleset that is built around respecting each arm in somewhat equal measure, like previous versions of Epic do, rather than shoehorning clunky bits into a framework that isn't meant for it. AT is about titans as the absolute rock stars of war: everything below that is just a hindrance to the main meat of that particular game. Being able to play little things in the same framework doesn't make it better, it simply takes away from the best part of the original's gameplay.

This is why design scope and limits of applicability matter in games just as much as they matter for scientific models. For a good game at a larger operational scale, the mechanics need to cater to the needs of the whole rather than serve one arm well and let the others contemptuously exist.

 Pacific wrote:

There were also rumours on SM about Epic 40k coming back - apparently from Adepticon. However when challenged there was absolutely nothing on the original sources, and looking back through it seemed to come from one person saying it. So a good opportunity to use Dakka's excellent salt shaker emote

Ignore these 'rumours' . They were from one person. He was posting them around random bunker6 youtube videos before Adepticon and when they were not getting any sort of traction, he moved to 'I got confirmation via a third party person would got them via GW support team via email' and need to speak to my family lawyer before I can release the info, but then was posting them all over the Epic 3rd Edition fan groups before "getting permission" to do so anyway.

The 'confirmation' email was a load of nonsense, the usual support garbage of 'we are glad you are playing the new game and keep an eye out on for when Epic 40k might be back one day' kind of nothing burger dribble that someone in support has to spew out to reply to someone wasting their time rather than dealing with actual support issues.

Sadly, a lot of people have seen one or two of the random 20 or so posts he made in the last month, and those have spread like wild fire around the internet as 'rumours' of Epic 40k coming back.

Not only is the email a load of old tosh, but his timeline of 'in the next year' would put it in at odds against the new edition of 40k next year. GW is never going to sabotage their own main cash cow with a competing product.

 Sherrypie wrote:

There isn't, really. The AT+ project that BlackLegion has done is certainly playable, but just not what the rule set is about. For a combined arms game it's just less of a headache for everyone involved to start from a ruleset that is built around respecting each arm in somewhat equal measure, like previous versions of Epic do, rather than shoehorning clunky bits into a framework that isn't meant for it. AT is about titans as the absolute rock stars of war: everything below that is just a hindrance to the main meat of that particular game. Being able to play little things in the same framework doesn't make it better, it simply takes away from the best part of the original's gameplay.

This is why design scope and limits of applicability matter in games just as much as they matter for scientific models. For a good game at a larger operational scale, the mechanics need to cater to the needs of the whole rather than serve one arm well and let the others contemptuously exist.

From what I've gathered over the years, the requirements were revisited far too late in the game's development. Someone was initially told to make a game of Titans, but once that had been pretty much set in stone - too late to start over - they changed that requirement to a game of "Titans and their Knight allies". The end result is a titan combat simulator with an optional and very limited combined arms game. In our experience we found good promise in games of Knights vs Knights with Titan support, as an alternative mode of play and its a shame GW didn't leave that for a little later on rather than force the Knights into an arms race with the Titans that led to breaking the game.

In hindsight, Mechanicum would have been the ideal addition as they provide support functions that aren't necessarily about engaging a god-machine head-on; improvements to the repair phase of a close-by Titan or Knight, relaying information on enemy positions, or just coordinating their fire with their larger allies. What could have been...

Knights and Mechanicum pre-order next week.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/zc96jzat/sunday-preview-high-elves-bounty-hunters-heroes-and-knights/

And I think thays everything preview so far, not just for LI, but AoD and Necromunda too?

Still missing Hera for MESBG who is now four months late.

If the Magaera & Styrix are £31.50...I'll get'em.

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Great news on the terminals. That's the last of known releases for Legions Imperialis, now time to work on that back-log before Heresy day announces more

One of each of those Knight boxes for me, please

 lord_blackfang wrote:
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Yes even the High Elves

Dragon Princes finally make a good target for the Warmaster Iconoclast to get into melee with

Them releasing all the Knights now does make it less likely plastic Armigers are coming too since I'd have expected them to be revealed first and everything to release at the same time in that case

Got to keep something back for the Knights faction for the next book I guess.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Got to keep something back for the Knights faction for the next book I guess.

Knight armies are already in the most recent book.

With this announcement, the LI releases are completed so far? Next Book on the Horizon?

SamusDrake wrote:
So like a game of AT overlaying a game of LI on the same board...hmmm. We're definitely tasting the forbidden fruit this morning!

But seriously, GW should be encouraging cross over campaigns between the two games.

WD #493 had Rules for mixed HH / LI / AT Campaigns, with news Scenarios.

RazorEdge wrote:


WD #493 had Rules for mixed HH / LI / AT Campaigns, with news Scenarios.

Oh. I must have missed that one? I know they had one for just HH and LI when Legions Imperialis launched.

This week's pricelist in USD

Krios, Karacnos, Magaera and Styrix $52 (usual LI kit price £31.50)
Asterius $60 (same as Porphyrion, currently £37)
Atrapos $80 (same as Cerastus Acheron / Castigator at £47)

I had half-expected the Magaera kit to have the same price as Atrapos, so that's nice.

Either/Or wrote:


Knight armies are already in the most recent book.

Correct, but the offering for both Legios and Houses was a bit of a cucumber sandwich with a glass of water, with the focus on Mechanicum. Not complaining yet it would be nice to have a "Doom of Molech" that gives a lot more love for Knights and Titans...and maybe something a little bit extra to go with it...



...y'know, a burger and a beer would be nice.


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 xttz wrote:
This week's pricelist in USD

Krios, Karacnos, Magaera and Styrix $52 (usual LI kit price £31.50)
Asterius $60 (same as Porphyrion, currently £37)
Atrapos $80 (same as Cerastus Acheron / Castigator at £47)

I had half-expected the Magaera kit to have the same price as Atrapos, so that's nice.

Yay! I would really like to get the Asterius as well but they would only receive icy stares at the AT table...

We have already a rumour about a Molech Expansion next.

Maybe more Content for Knights? Plastic Armiger?

We have that free PDF, which also gives Knights access to Legio Cybernetica contnet.

They could expand Knights Househoulds to full Army Lists with further Support Units, which do not need to be Knights... Infantry, own planetary Air Support.

That would be cool. Mixing up the Titans and Knights with Marines or Solar infantry would go a long way, and even vice verca.

Saying that I wouldn't mind if the next book introduces Daemons or Custodes, as that would be a great way to distinguish even further the Traitor and Loyalist divide. I would probably go crazy on the Slaanesh theme...EC, Devine, whatever the Titan Legio was in purple, and Fulgrim in his demon mode surrounded by nasty brutes. THAT would be aweeeessssoooommmmmeee!

Does anyone know if astartes artillery (bombard) units will come as it was in the first rule book ? And a still some tanks are not there yet

This must be an anticipation for the upcoming Legions news:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/c9qnghtw/how-big-is-a-space-marine-legion/

(for my humbrle opinion the hidden meaning is "only with Legions you can deploy hundreds of troopers" )
Look at these pics:


Astartes and Titans together



Mk3 astartes.

That second picture was the cover art for the astartes battlegroup for hh a couple years back.

I am hopeful that the first image maybe indicates new SM infantry and/or Legion specific stuff.

Yeah, not seeing how this relates to LI at all, its very clearly part of the HH 3rd edition hype machine and not much else.

It is possible that some new LI kits will come out since saturnine units, disintegrator squads, arachne turrets, and felblades will all be new in plastic, makes sense to do them in LI.

I would assume that LI and HH will release mirror releases of models with the exception that LI will get some big stuff that HH doesn't get because its stupidly big/too bulky for regular releases as larger models; and HH will get more legion specific models; esp infantry - because at LI scale the differences are too tiny

There is some low hanging fruit they could make- Legion Felblade/ Glaive, Auxilia Aurox/Catnodons, Mechanicum Macrocarid Explorators and Ordinatus Minoris, Armiger Knights and Armiger Moriax.

From there, Dark Mechanicum could be expanded, and Talons of the Emperor would need say 1 infantry box, Pallas, Caladius tanks, Sisters Acquisitors, coronus carriers, and maybe the fliers

'Artwork' I will never stop banging the drum about the vast amount of Heresy artwork GW owns, and instead just uses photoshopped minis. It is such a shame, utterly soul-less.

Fellblade is definitely a low hanging fruit. I assume it will be a big/feature release alongside whichever new campaign book comes along, once the HH3 train has passed through.

They use photoshopped minis for box art because there’s a near-zero chance of getting them wrong and accidentally doing “false advertising” which opens them up to legal repercussions.

 Pacific wrote:
'Artwork' I will never stop banging the drum about the vast amount of Heresy artwork GW owns, and instead just uses photoshopped minis. It is such a shame, utterly soul-less.

That's something that Imperial Armour/Forge World/Tony Cottrell did, like, since forever. It became their trademark.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
They use photoshopped minis for box art because there’s a near-zero chance of getting them wrong and accidentally doing “false advertising” which opens them up to legal repercussions.

I don't think that's a risk at all.
I think its more a simple shift in policy internally that GW uses photos of real models as product display because showing real product painted up sells more than artwork. Artwork draws you in but actual product sells.

 Overread wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
They use photoshopped minis for box art because there’s a near-zero chance of getting them wrong and accidentally doing “false advertising” which opens them up to legal repercussions.

I don't think that's a risk at all.
I think its more a simple shift in policy internally that GW uses photos of real models as product display because showing real product painted up sells more than artwork. Artwork draws you in but actual product sells.

I think it's because artwork costs more and it's harder for the employer to claim ownership of it.

On the bright side, AI can flood the internet with slop indistinguishable from official GW renders.

 Overread wrote:
I would assume that LI and HH will release mirror releases of models with the exception that LI will get some big stuff that HH doesn't get because its stupidly big/too bulky for regular releases as larger models; and HH will get more legion specific models; esp infantry - because at LI scale the differences are too tiny

With the exception of the Dark Mech models, GW didn't really do that much "too big for 28mm scale" stuff for LImp, it's primarily just shrunk regular HH models.

True but we do have warmasters and such - plus I fully expect to see some massive wheeled/tracked admech mega- weapon. I know GW did do/has done one of those under FW

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
There is some low hanging fruit they could make- Legion Felblade/ Glaive, Auxilia Aurox/Catnodons, Mechanicum Macrocarid Explorators and Ordinatus Minoris, Armiger Knights and Armiger Moriax.

From there, Dark Mechanicum could be expanded, and Talons of the Emperor would need say 1 infantry box, Pallas, Caladius tanks, Sisters Acquisitors, coronus carriers, and maybe the fliers

Primarchs with bodyguards are something that could sell for LI.
Like Peter Turbo with his Domitar bots, maybe Dorn with some Templar Brethren.

Mk3 marines in the pictures (and not Saturnine or MK2) because the rumour says:



And the WarCom post repeat very often "Legions", so I hope something will arrive soon. I hope for Auxilia Jump Squad...

It would be nice to have a Legions Imperialis reveal to break up the Saturnine coverage.

A medium-size Knight would be cool.

Hmm, another tiiiiny Knight. Why not some Dominus Pattern Knights?

The Dominus would be sweet, and an easy win for all three Heresy-era games. Not sure why but I prefer it over the Questoris.

 Overread wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
They use photoshopped minis for box art because there’s a near-zero chance of getting them wrong and accidentally doing “false advertising” which opens them up to legal repercussions.

I don't think that's a risk at all.
I think its more a simple shift in policy internally that GW uses photos of real models as product display because showing real product painted up sells more than artwork. Artwork draws you in but actual product sells.

I have read this many times over the years. The argument against it is that GW themselves continue to fill their new 40k & AoS books with new artwork. Many of their boxes still also feature art on the cover (Kill Team, Warcry etc.)
So in this case its definitely a design choice.

So since LI is confirmed for the next preview show what do we think we'll see this time?
Obviously a new expansion book but what models do we think will be coming with it?
Personally I'm hoping to finally see the SM heavy tanks since the Fellblade also is announced for HH now, we might also see the Saturnine stuff and the new gun emplacement?

Astartes- Fellblade/Glaive, Vindicators, Saturnine/MkII infantry sprue
Auxilia- carnodons/aurochs
Admech- Macrocarids, Armiger knights

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Astartes- Fellblade/Glaive, Vindicators, Saturnine/MkII infantry sprue
Auxilia- carnodons/aurochs
Admech- Macrocarids, Armiger knights

I thought I saw someone playing a game with Armiger Knights.

Could've been a vivid Hallucination. I believe I was watching an Adeptus Titanicus game at a Warhammer store, so it all could be my vivid imagination playing tricks on me.

I believe that Forge World produced very expensive resin armigers for Titanicus before LI was released.

Presumably, those resin ones will get replaced by plastic ones that will hopefully be a bit more affordable (and more robust).

Considering all resin weapons for titans have been going sold out, I’m reckoning a new weapon sprue or two, hopefully with head and armour plate variants alongside.

Beyond that, MkIII armour with a new heavy weapon option and specialist weapon, possibly breachers, alt contemptor dreadnought weapons. Finally, Cerberus, Typhon, Scorpius and the like, ordinatus for Mechanicum, maybe some Aurox or Carnodons for Solar Auxilia

 Mr_Rose wrote:
They use photoshopped minis for box art because there’s a near-zero chance of getting them wrong and accidentally doing “false advertising” which opens them up to legal repercussions.

I always thought it's more the "Historial.. In Space!" feel they wanted to portray.. WWII news articles were black and white and that

semajnollissor wrote:
I believe that Forge World produced very expensive resin armigers for Titanicus before LI was released.

Very true, and a good reason why sightings of these does not guarantee they'll see plastic...

Didn’t take them long to plastificate the other Knights though.

Depends what you mean - from their original release? Yeah it was actually about 5 years.

From the release of LI? You're right, came pretty quick.

Plasticizing Knights also helps out AT players

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Plasticizing Knights also helps out AT players

Shhhhh...

Let that be AT's little secret victory.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Depends what you mean - from their original release? Yeah it was actually about 5 years.

From the release of LI? You're right, came pretty quick.

Even on the five years thing, for a specialist game to get a resin to plastic upgrade (sidegrade if it helps avoid nitpicking) is pretty swift.