Thing is for HH its a bigger investment and takes longer; meanwhile for LI in one Battleforce set we are getting pretty much more than half the entire Mechanicum model line.

Plus you can't string it out with paint schemes and shoulderpads like you can 32mm scale.

This sad old gig is pleased as punch that Epic is once again the mother of invention 🤣

 vadersson wrote:
I am really surprised that they are going with separate Mech and Dark Mech units. I figured they would go for the same set up as the SA and Marines. GW is really investing a lot in molds and models for LI which is a great sign. Now if the rules would get some work...

With them being fairly unique & named units, this makes me wonder if they're going to go with Ordinatus engines as the centrepiece of a future loyalist Mechanicum faction. That way you don't have identical "Ordinatus Ulator"s fighting on both sides of the same battle.

Also given the unit name I'm wondering if there's a non-heavy DarkMech 'stalker' unit coming too.

I doubt we are getting too many more Dark Mech models. Probably only two more sets, one with smaller models and leaders and one with medium size ones. They will just also get access to the normal Mechanicum models and have a few additional models to get the Dark Mech optics

Dark Mech could also tie in to some of the chaos titans that have rules but no kits to represent, and to the various slaaneshi hell Knights and scout titan.

Article is up now:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pg4mfy13/warhammer-day-preview-more-machines-roll-out-from-the-martian-forges/

Full Knight and Titan armies:

Rise of the Dark Mechanicum is the next book for Legions Imperialis, and it contains army lists for both the Mechanicum Taghmata and the Dark Mechanicum, as well as Formations for dedicated armies of Collegia Titanica and Questoris Familia.

This is also clearly a 28mm image since you can see the new Tech Thralls:


And also (not surprising) they confirm there is more coming for Dark Mech and Mechanicum

I'm getting both Brass Scorpion and Cryx Crabjack vibes off these models - probably a common root model with the Brass Scorpion, at least for the torso?

The crab things look like digital renders with the plastic tech thralls edited into the image to me, rather than them being true full sized 40k scale models. There's a pretty stark level of difference in detail, lighting, and contrast between the thralls and the big guys. At a minimum they were not photographed together under the same lighting.

Those are definitely shield generators of some kind.

I don’t think they’ll be Void Shields though, but the same shields we see on other Mechanicum vehicles. Flare Shields I think they’re called?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
This sad old gig is pleased as punch that Epic is once again the mother of invention 🤣

Yes! This for days!

Love the look of that walker. Excited to see what’s next.

Single handedly stole the show.

I had a feeling they'd show a larger model, but wasn't expecting Dark Mechanicum. Throwing in the titan & knight formations as well...this could be the best release so far.

chaos0xomega wrote:
The crab things look like digital renders with the plastic tech thralls edited into the image to me, rather than them being true full sized 40k scale models. There's a pretty stark level of difference in detail, lighting, and contrast between the thralls and the big guys. At a minimum they were not photographed together under the same lighting.

I agree, we can't read too much into that image, photoshop is a thing.

That being said if GW isn't already planning a 28mm version they should fast, people are really excited and a huge model on thin legs might just be possible.

I disagree.

We know GW uses photoshop or similar to composite such photos. But, that doesn’t mean a given model is purely a digital asset.

Indeed, whilst my knowledge and memory is not encyclopaedic, I can’t immediately think of such an image where we never did get the model or models shown.

There a large number of images like this one where we have yet to receive the models shown. It doesn't mean it's never coming, but some of the images have kept us waiting an awfully long time.

Yeah some stuff appears to be a really obvious choice for GW to make a model of it; but they won't do it for 5-10 or more years.

Mechanicum in HH honestly has a lot of releases for 32mm scale to go just ot move the army from resin to plastic. Plus GW has made some odd choices there - eg in the recent update there are 2 models that could easily have had alternate weapon/build options, but GW chose not to go that pathway and is instead keeping the alternate versions in resin.
Is this just so they can make another plastic kit or because they are wanting to keep the army plastic and resin - who knows only GW does and its every chance that their thoughts on it change over time.



Regardless I wouldn't expect to see dedicated 32mm Dark Mechanicum models for a long while yet.

Well GWs pattern seems to be a mix of converting resins to plastics + injecting new designs straight to plastic (aethon, Kratos, etc), so we could see some DM stuff sooner rather than later... I just remain ambivalent about what.

Whilst still in its infancy, and we’ve but a single example (Solar Auxilia Heavy Sentinel), it’s still our benchmark for how quickly we might expect units debuting in Legions Imperialis to come into 28mm, and with more weapon options.

So whilst I can’t say it’ll be soon with any certainty, the 5-10 years feels way off.

On the other hand we are still waiting for most titan weapons in 28mm period

True, true.

 Fugazi wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
This sad old gig is pleased as punch that Epic is once again the mother of invention 🤣

Yes! This for days!

Love the look of that walker. Excited to see what’s next.

I am definitely of a like mind here! Great to see the scale being used to full advantage, and does make me look forward to whatever else is in the pipeline.

I’ll make the argument it’s also good for the game itself.

See, way back when as we’ve covered? Epic was the home of tanks and titans and the biggest gribbly monsters. Because it was a time when popular as 40K was, large plastic kits were an expensive investment, and so a risky one.

Epic? Epic didn’t care. More than a few now beloved tanks began life as simple one or two piece bits of lead alloy. And because the overall scale was dinky, very large units could be made, and realistically fielded. And for more than a few armies, it was the only home to tank sized and bigger toys until well into 2nd Ed.

2nd Ed itself saw a decent expansion of offerings (Falcon, Russ, Chimera, Basilisk) in plastic, further expanded with metal hybrid bits (Hellhound, Demolisher, Griffon) for big things, and a raft of smaller light vehicles in plastic.

Even then, Epic remained the home of the vast majority of tanks.

Eventually, Apocaylpse came to be, as did Forgeworld, bringing us more and bigger kits to duff our mates up with.

And so whilst still a better home for Super Heavies and Armoured Columns? Epic kind of lost its unique space.

And to me, Epic being the sole home of certain war machines is just the natural order of things. Hence I’m very excited that at least For Now? Epic is reclaiming that part of its crown.

Will any/all of such things eventually come to 28mm? Yep, I’m sure they will. Certainly some will.

But Dark Mechanicum, for the now, being LI exclusive warms my cockles. It’s a sign to me that GW does understand Epic, and where its appeal can at least partially lie. And in turn? The tantalising prospect other armies will, in time, get units only see in Epic Scale.

Exclusivity. Hopefully without snobbery!

I was just grumbling the other night that as much as I really like the models for Legions, its such a wasted game because its just a shrinky dink version of HH 30k scale stuff.

We'd get an announcement for one game, its almost a guarantee its just an advert that the other game would get the same models eventually. (barring a few obvious models that might never see either of the games much. Titans, primarchs etc)

But seeing Epic scale as the platform for new war machines never before seen in big scale. That's what they should be doing.

I'm not against people seeing some of these things in big scale if they are big scale only collectors- I'd not want to gatekeep the hobby for anyone. But it should be a rare treat on the table top.

But I think Epic shines when it does the things that no other game/scale can do, and that's fantastic war machines and epic scale battles. All the time! Hundreds of war machines! Up to now, legions is just wearing its fathers big suit and running around the house with the arms and legs flapping about wanting to be a grown up.

I don't think I'll ever get along with the rules they have chosen for the game, and the lack of orks, but if they keep pushing new armies and units it would be easier to convince people its got a unique identity and help sell the game. I'm certainly stocking up on enough mechanicum to see me through to the real 41st millennium once they release.

So, apparently this goes up for sale on 2nd of November along with the Mech box, well according to those 'in the know'.

I'd add that the power of Epic isn't just in being able to field new things, but also in being able ot field lots of new things and in volume at the same time.

Models that aren't just expensive, but are huge and cost a lot in money, time and points in 32mm - can be much more affordable in all fronts in Epic.



Sure you can run a tank heavy IG army, but you're never going to have room to put three baneblades down at once; even if you can get a game the cost to get them and the difficulty of transport are big barriers - not to mention the size of table you need.

Epic is the home of such things and I think giving it freedom to do stuff that might never appear in 32mm scale is valid. 32mm has its shining points too - its infantry don't have huge random square blocks on them; they can do way more detail on things; have intricate models; lots of varied weapon options (that you can actually see) and more.


Each scale has its strengths

Agreed with that perspective

Looks cool - I wonder if we'll see some more bespoke style units like the ones for Thousand Sons psychic style mechanicum creations (as far as the book described)

Sincere apologies for crap-o-vision, but lifted this via screen grab from Instagram.

Love the look of the butcher, really hope we get a 32mm version. Also, am I miscounting, or do some of those have 5 legs?

Look forward to seeing them in 28mm

So now we know what a regular stalker is to a heavy one. And the little ones are also interesting, almost a vulturax variant.

And much better pics. Including almost certainly 28mm versions.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xd9mklal/heresy-thursday-raise-your-oily-manipulators-to-the-sky-in-praise-of-the-dark-mechanicum/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR3PkDzt6p8rM-AMj5HEg5zvveGyEc5rS4hq7z8NIJr2GkW2xKch_zHIBco_aem_CdQYqxsQPbjT4V6DGA9XZQ

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xd9mklal/heresy-thursday-raise-your-oily-manipulators-to-the-sky-in-praise-of-the-dark-mechanicum/

A box of Stalker Constructs contains 30 models, eight Harpax ‘Swarmer’ Scout Hosts, and two each of the Errax, Tenebrax, and Scintillax. The Serperos ‘Overlord’ Heavy Stalkers box contains four, and what's more both boxes contain the relevant terminals for using the Errax, Tenebrax, Scintillax, and Serperos in games of Adeptus Titanicus!

Oooh, missed that bit.

That’s pretty cool.

*sigh*

So the Dark Mech can (by the looks of things) use everything the Mech have access to, plus their own special sauce on top...

...what's the point of playing loyalist Mech at this stage?

Loyalty is its own reward...

Yeah something would be nice.

Nothing being shown yet, and nothing, aren’t the same thing.

 Dysartes wrote:
*sigh*

So the Dark Mech can (by the looks of things) use everything the Mech have access to, plus their own special sauce on top...

...what's the point of playing loyalist Mech at this stage?

To stay loyal! Also, that makes sense from a fluff perspective at this point, both sides have access to the regular stuff, but the DM also break out the forbidden stuff.

You'll probably see formation differences and special rules to show a divergance. Maybe even a unit or two in the future such as Anti-Abominable Intelligence weapons

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nothing being shown yet, and nothing, aren’t the same thing.

Not telling me that they won't get everything the loyalists get reduces my excitement for the loyalists, though.

Don't get me wrong, it's great we're getting to see Dark Mech stuff, but it's the usual Chaos issue - we have to have our own corrupted units, but we should also be entitled to everything the Imperium gets, because we can corrupt them.

Get away wi' ye.

 zedmeister wrote:
You'll probably see formation differences and special rules to show a divergance. Maybe even a unit or two in the future such as Anti-Abominable Intelligence weapons

I expect Mechanicum wave 2 will come with the remaining shared units usable by either traitor or loyalist: Krios, Karacnos, probably some plastic knights. Then they'll throw in some token loyalist-only toys too. As I said previously, one possibility could be specific Ordinatus engines that didn't fall into traitor hands.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nothing being shown yet, and nothing, aren’t the same thing.

Not telling me that they won't get everything the loyalists get reduces my excitement for the loyalists, though.

Don't get me wrong, it's great we're getting to see Dark Mech stuff, but it's the usual Chaos issue - we have to have our own corrupted units, but we should also be entitled to everything the Imperium gets, because we can corrupt them.

Get away wi' ye.

Which wasn’t my claim?

Relevant wording from the article wrote: The Dark Mechanicum can also field regular Mechanicum Taghmata units, as well as Titans and Knights. Here’s a reminder of the Mechanicum Battle Group, because any excuse to show small-scale battle automata and Archmagi on Abeyants is one that our cogitators are willing to seize upon.

Ambiguous and imprecise, sure. But it doesn’t say all regular Mechanicum Taghmata units. Or “the” regular Taghmata Mechanicum unit.

So all we can say for sure is that Dark Mechanicum will be able to field more than just Dark Mechanicum units.

How much more? Remains to be seen.

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/xd9mklal/heresy-thursday-raise-your-oily-manipulators-to-the-sky-in-praise-of-the-dark-mechanicum/

A box of Stalker Constructs contains 30 models, eight Harpax ‘Swarmer’ Scout Hosts, and two each of the Errax, Tenebrax, and Scintillax. The Serperos ‘Overlord’ Heavy Stalkers box contains four, and what's more both boxes contain the relevant terminals for using the Errax, Tenebrax, Scintillax, and Serperos in games of Adeptus Titanicus!

More support for the beautiful game is always welcome! Not sure how useful they'll be to me...but still welcome.

Guessing they'll get Knight-style terminals and rules.

For anyone curious, a poster on B&C made a scale comparison. Looks like the new stalkers are on 50mm bases.

 Dysartes wrote:
*sigh*

So the Dark Mech can (by the looks of things) use everything the Mech have access to, plus their own special sauce on top...

...what's the point of playing loyalist Mech at this stage?

Loyalists get to save money 💰. No small reward in my book.

The swarmers are standing on robot vacuum cleaners, so now I imagine them to move around randomly back and forth, turning 90 degrees bump in to each other and try another direction.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Nothing being shown yet, and nothing, aren’t the same thing.

Not telling me that they won't get everything the loyalists get reduces my excitement for the loyalists, though.

Don't get me wrong, it's great we're getting to see Dark Mech stuff, but it's the usual Chaos issue - we have to have our own corrupted units, but we should also be entitled to everything the Imperium gets, because we can corrupt them.

Get away wi' ye.

Eh? The usual chaos issue? In 40k I'd like you to show me where the chaos drop pods, whirlwinds, storm ravens, grav weaponry, stormshields, infantry level plasma cannons, attack bikes, razorbacks and so on went to please.

The usual chaos issue for 20 years was "less than imperials get... but with spikes"

Anyone got a possible ID for the barely visible schemes of infantry in the background here?



I'm drawing a blank on the silhouette, much too rounded for most stuff we know, looks like some Dark-Mech augmented/heavy infantry?
It's also possible these are the swarmers, with the 28mm version having some additional bits&bobs on the back that the 6mm ones can't adequately replicate, or it might be a variant that's not shown yet.

They are servitors.
You remember the ones that aped the aesthetic of Scyllax?
Them.

Those are those "Swarmers".

 Dysartes wrote:

Not telling me that they won't get everything the loyalists get reduces my excitement for the loyalists, though.

Don't get me wrong, it's great we're getting to see Dark Mech stuff, but it's the usual Chaos issue - we have to have our own corrupted units, but we should also be entitled to everything the Imperium gets, because we can corrupt them.

Get away wi' ye.

Then again, we have the Warlord-Sinister Titan which is a Loyalist-only titan for both AT and LI. Did the traitor Mechanicum have access to absolutely everything in the galaxy when they made their move? Some loyalist Forgeworlds might have kept their own secret projects at that time...

In the artwork there are swarmers all around the Cyclop.

Spindle drones maybe can be useful...

 Dysartes wrote:
*sigh*

So the Dark Mech can (by the looks of things) use everything the Mech have access to, plus their own special sauce on top...

...what's the point of playing loyalist Mech at this stage?

What would be the alternative? Of course the have all the Mechanicum stuff, they are Mechanicum too.

They could make the normal stuff for DM a bit more inferior, as those troops and vehicles are kind of neglected in favour of the new toys. Something new for Malagra or cross-projects between the loyalists and Custodes or SoS are also possible.

Tavis75 wrote:
Also, am I miscounting, or do some of those have 5 legs?

I just assumed 6, but you're right - 5 legs. Interesting!

 1984Phantom wrote:
In the artwork there are swarmers all around the Cyclop.

Spindle drones maybe can be useful...

I see where you’re coming from, but the Spindle Drones are closer to Knight sized in LI terms.

That were quick!

Mechanicum set and new LI book up for pre-order next weekend.

Also the Knight Battle Group and Titan Battle Group.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/j6ipvaax/sunday-preview-open-the-forges-and-march-for-the-mechanicum/

STOP!

Warhammer Community wrote:Rules for using an army entirely composed of Knight Household units can be found in Rise of the Dark Mechanicum.

CARRY ON!

Ma, our wee man is grown up!

Same article wrote: Infantry? Tanks? Pah, we don’t need that rabble where we’re going – take a straight shot through to Titan Town, where warriors are warriors, and a gun smaller than a school bus might as well be a pocket knife. The Titan Battle Group is an awesome assemblage of earthshaking military might, packing a Warlord Titan, a Reaver Titan, and two Warhound Scout Titans into one convenient box that can be deployed as an independent army with the rules found in Rise of the Dark Mechanicum.

This is gonna be expensive

God, I hope we get a big plastic Acastus some day. That model is so cool.

It’s gonna be a popular book I reckon. And if anyone in the UK is now tempted, I’ve a spare LI Rulebook and order tokens I can sell on for a reasonable price.

I already have that exact same titan config in my build box. One epub of those rules please. Playing games of Marines vs Titan maniple sound fun as all heck, specially when played like in the heaydays of Space Hulk - alternate players and play two games to see which player did better on which side. Nice!

I wonder how many points that maniple totals into..

The fall of Magma City is the same of Titanicus rulebook, with the true Legio Tempestus that drop from the sky.

I would to replace Solar Ogryns (I don't like them, too big, bulky, models) with Thallax.. I don't know if it could work fine.

Do we know if the Cerastus Lancers from the Battle Group box can be built as Castigators as well, like the standalone box? I had been holding off buying until the Battle Group was released, just wondering if I need to make some extra purchases.

And yes, by the Emperor, this is going to be bloody expensive!

Baltika wrote:
Do we know if the Cerastus Lancers from the Battle Group box can be built as Castigators as well, like the standalone box? I had been holding off buying until the Battle Group was released, just wondering if I need to make some extra purchases.

And yes, by the Emperor, this is going to be bloody expensive!

Lancer sprue just builds lancers. There’s a separate box that builds 2 castigatiors and 2 acherons.

 zedmeister wrote:

Baltika wrote:
Do we know if the Cerastus Lancers from the Battle Group box can be built as Castigators as well, like the standalone box? I had been holding off buying until the Battle Group was released, just wondering if I need to make some extra purchases.

And yes, by the Emperor, this is going to be bloody expensive!

Lancer sprue just builds lancers. There’s a separate box that builds 2 castigatiors and 2 acherons.

Thanks for clarifying - so I will need extra boxes, then.

Slainthe!

Sound the warhorns!

Would still prefer to have a review to go on, but for the moment I'm over the moon for the new book.

Reviews will go up with the preorder, bot the announcement of the preorder

We can also reasonably expect some preview articles on Warhammer Community, probably week after next.

There is some discussion over on TGA from a person that got stuff right in the past that there will be quite a few additional LI kits shown this week (I'm assuming because they have rules in the book and they want to show them off before they get leaked otherwise)

So Krios, Karacnos and maybe something else for Dark Mech?

I think we can safely assume most of the Mechanicus range we have now in 32mm will come to LI. There might be one or two more Dark Mechanicus to come as well - perhaps forming a similar battalion boxed set of Dark Mechanicus models.

 Overread wrote:
I think we can safely assume most of the Mechanicus range we have now in 32mm will come to LI. There might be one or two more Dark Mechanicus to come as well - perhaps forming a similar battalion boxed set of Dark Mechanicus models.

That's true but doesn't necessarily mean they will be in this book. So with the book going up for preorder this week I didn't expect anything else and thought we would need to wait for the next book but according to this person on TGA there are a few more reveals this week.

I could see a Knight retainer box of some sort to provide Knight familia ground forces. Maybe something similar for Titans? Hopefully we will get plastic armigers.

 Matrindur wrote:
There is some discussion over on TGA from a person that got stuff right in the past that there will be quite a few additional LI kits shown this week (I'm assuming because they have rules in the book and they want to show them off before they get leaked otherwise)

So Krios, Karacnos and maybe something else for Dark Mech?

Hopefully Macrocarids and Ordinatus Minoris

Prices for the week, sadly it seems the Knight/Titan Battlegroups aren't available from FLGS.

The terrain bundle is a 35% discount and the Mechanicum Battlegroup is 20€ cheaper than the SA/SM ones were.

I’m in for the book and maybe the cards.

No models though, as my current focus is on getting my LI terrain painted.

First test pieces, to follow Battle Bunnies’ scheme in the spray box.

 Matrindur wrote:
Prices for the week, sadly it seems the Knight/Titan Battlegroups aren't available from FLGS.

Wow, been waiting a year for these, very disappointing.

UK pricing for anyone uncertain on the conversion:

Book £31.50
Cards £16.50
Mech battlegroup £95
Manufactorum sector £110

Battle group is a pretty decent price, Spesh if sourced at a further discount. I may even be tempted, though I’m supposed to be behaving myself.

Waiting a year for the knight and titan attlegroups to drop only for them to turn out to be direct only was not something I had on my bingo card. This release just became a ton cheaper for me lol.

The battlegroup price pretty much confirms the theory that it contains four kits instead of the previous five. It would work out at 25% discount compared to when the kits are released separately.

As LI release waves this year have typically been around 6 weeks apart on average, I'm expecting to see the four infantry / Triaros / etc boxes released alongside dark mech stalkers around Nov 30th. Fingers crossed.

Content with the book so long as Wayland are able to offer 15% discount.

Disappointed on the Titan and Knight battlegroups but I already own plenty of Titans and Knights, for decent games of both AT and LI. Besides I only wanted to add to that collection rather than replace them, so adorable mini-Armigers aside I'm actually looking forward to treating myself to the 30% of allies from other factions. Turning up with nothing but Knights or TItans...it don't feel right for a game that includes foot soldiers and very light vehicles.

Final request for Knights; An infantry kit that includes some Armigers and Household militia. It looks right, it feels right and it smells right. It IS right.

Oh hell yes, £25 quid cheaper than I expected for the mech box. Now considering getting 2...

I suppose the Battle Groups are a one time deal ?

Generally speaking, probably yes - though GW could always surprise us

Yeah, the Marine and Auxilia are both “while stocks last”. But they came out a while back, and are still available. So hopefully that means a decent stock.

Looking at the Knight Battle Group it's worth £140.50 if you buy the indvidual kits from GW. My guess is it will be £95. I'd like to pick it up but I'm away this weekend so it will be difficult to get in early. We'll see if it sells out quickly.

Cheapest I can get the kits individually is about £112, so £95 would be very decent indeed.

Do you see what I see?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fxu4wliq/decide-the-fate-of-magma-city-in-a-new-legions-imperialis-campaign-system/

Here's some rules details on the new expansion, which also accidently unveils a tiny Krios & Karacnos

What's this in the corner? Is it new?

Krios and a Karacnos in picture!

Chikout wrote:
What's this in the corner? Is it new?

Yes thats the Krios, with another one in the background on the right. In front on the right is also the Karacnos which is also new.

With these two we now have every single Mechanicum unit that exists in HH except the Ordinati variants so basically a completed list of normal units

Wow that is wild

I know the focus is on mech right now, but every time I see this thread has updates I find myself disappointed it wasn't recon or specific legion marines.

Is there even a point to doing legion specific marines in this scale? The models are tiny for infantry

 Overread wrote:
Is there even a point to doing legion specific marines in this scale? The models are tiny for infantry

It depends on the infantry. Obviously unique weapons like chainglaives on night raptors are gonna be easier to model than some units.

At the very least we should have the Emperor & The Primarchs, with their all time number one hit We DID Start The Fire.

Thralls look like tall as Astartes. Maybe is the unlucky picture, they are painted with a dark tone too.

Edit: That infantry base on the right are Thralls? I see something golden like an axe.

Well spotted team! Nice to see that there is more than just the battlegroup models in the book and actually pretty much the whole Mechanicum range (plus the traitor stuff!), better than it being parcelled out over multiple books...


Legion-specific / specialist marines are the sort of thing you'd think we might see in FW resin - though I guess that might show up the quality of the plastic infantry figures... Probably said before, but I am genuinely amazed we've not had any resin releases for LI at all - surely primarchs, specialists, etc would make sense in resin over plastic anyway?

The blurry Krios doesn’t seem to be the Venator. A friend has suggested it’s got a Rad weapon mounted.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
The blurry Krios doesn’t seem to be the Venator. A friend has suggested it’s got a Rad weapon mounted.

One of the least-commented on changes in the recent (28mm scale) HH Mechanicum supplement was the addition of a rad weapon option.

So least-commented on, I’ve got that book and didn’t even notice 🤣

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So least-commented on, I’ve got that book and didn’t even notice 🤣

I was legit beginning to wonder if I’m the only one other than the author who knows it’s there…

You, the author and my friend it would seem!

Ooh, it’s rather nasty, isn’t it? Hellstorm is welcome enough on such a small chassis, but the beam can microwave the contents of Transports.

 1984Phantom wrote:
Thralls look like tall as Astartes. Maybe is the unlucky picture, they are painted with a dark tone too.

Edit: That infantry base on the right are Thralls? I see something golden like an axe.

Myrmidon Secutors.

Piousservant wrote:

Well spotted team! Nice to see that there is more than just the battlegroup models in the book and actually pretty much the whole Mechanicum range (plus the traitor stuff!), better than it being parcelled out over multiple books...

Agreed.

Although I'll be getting this one primarily for the dedicated T&K army rules, its nice to have the Mech stuff as a big bonus for allied support. If I were a Marine or Solar player, I wouldn't venture beyond the core book and would probably have gone for the card sets instead. Use them - if possible - until the inevitable Marine and Solar compendiums are introduced.

Worth keeping in the mind core rulebook offered up a solid, if still incomplete, number of Marine and Auxilia units. Certainly enough to build a fairly flexible force.

So I expect the new book to do the same for Mechanicum and Dark Mechanicum, with further units to come later.

Oh I don't doubt there will be more Mechanicum to follow, but it looks like we're going to have the entire 30k range in LI from the off which is pretty nice. And don't get me wrong, the marine range is much bigger so I wouldn't have expected it to have all been in the main book but equally there were some pretty core bits missing (and some - artillery and real super heavies - still awol).

Real question though - is 4 sets of the manufactorum terrain excessive? Well, 5 really as I've already got one regular box of it... I was planning to get 1-2 boxes more and it kinda seems like if I were to end up buying 2 regular boxes which are directly only, would be a bit stupid not just to have bought the sector box at effectively a double discount (it being discounted in the box and also available from retailers). Or anyone in the UK interested in splitting a box lol?

Odd to me how the manufactorum normally direct only gets a general release in the big box and the titans which are available normally don't, but maybe thats by design? Will be interested to see what the price of the titan battlegroup is, for me personally it needs to be quite a decent saving over what I can buy the models for from a retailer for it to be worth buying in one go.

Piousservant wrote:
Oh I don't doubt there will be more Mechanicum to follow, but it looks like we're going to have the entire 30k range in LI from the off which is pretty nice. And don't get me wrong, the marine range is much bigger so I wouldn't have expected it to have all been in the main book but equally there were some pretty core bits missing (and some - artillery and real super heavies - still awol).

Real question though - is 4 sets of the manufactorum terrain excessive? Well, 5 really as I've already got one regular box of it... I was planning to get 1-2 boxes more and it kinda seems like if I were to end up buying 2 regular boxes which are directly only, would be a bit stupid not just to have bought the sector box at effectively a double discount (it being discounted in the box and also available from retailers). Or anyone in the UK interested in splitting a box lol?

Odd to me how the manufactorum normally direct only gets a general release in the big box and the titans which are available normally don't, but maybe thats by design? Will be interested to see what the price of the titan battlegroup is, for me personally it needs to be quite a decent saving over what I can buy the models for from a retailer for it to be worth buying in one go.

I'm in the same position about the Manufactorum box as you and I'm just going to buy one. With my retailer prices its going to be the same price as two normal ones from GW direct but for four full sets.
I'm just going to try and sell 1-2 sets off and if that doesn't work I can still use them as basing for my titans.

For the Titan and Knights sets its actually only half that is available normally the Warlord and Reaver are both the direct only versions and the Cerastus Lancer is also direct only. Only the Cerastus Acheron and Castigator set is available at retailers.
But still sad about them being direct only, I planned to get both but now I'm only going to get the Titan one instead

Another Heresy article today (not tagged as Heresy Thursday), Mechanicum fluff:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lf6zwsum/dark-mechanicum-lore-who-are-the-renegade-tech-magi-making-the-terrifying-stalkers/

Maybe that is all we're getting today? Possibly some hints though, the final picture has a mechancium knight - maybe coming in plastic...? We can but hope!

 Matrindur wrote:

I'm in the same position about the Manufactorum box as you and I'm just going to buy one. With my retailer prices its going to be the same price as two normal ones from GW direct but for four full sets.
I'm just going to try and sell 1-2 sets off and if that doesn't work I can still use them as basing for my titans.

For the Titan and Knights sets its actually only half that is available normally the Warlord and Reaver are both the direct only versions and the Cerastus Lancer is also direct only. Only the Cerastus Acheron and Castigator set is available at retailers.
But still sad about them being direct only, I planned to get both but now I'm only going to get the Titan one instead

Yeah that's a good point, for some reason in my head I thought both Reavers were available from retailers. I kind of have enough titans and weapon options I'm not too fussed about which Warlord I get though, though I do want another one so we'll see how much it ends up being.

So I guess no proper heresy Thursday article?

Did they cover Blackshield rules in the previous LI books?

Nope. No blackshield rules at all.

I suppose it is a bit early for those kind of rules. Cheers.

Not sure how Blackshields would work in LI?

Well, in AT it was basically an ability and a list of can-and-cannot-haves for the available allegiances. Nothing that fancy to be honest.

They’d have to give up a lot of vehicles but gain a bunch of esoteric infantry weapons. But how to actually represent that is difficult. Bonus CAF when fighting certain types of enemy?

Going back to AT the Titans have "decentralised command" where orders can be given to titans not in a maniple( if a maniple titan fails a check ). Knights would have the nifty choice of "giant killer" where they're more useful against larger foes, "xenos sympathiser" which gives them access to better shield technology, and "freeblade king" where knights in a banner can arm themselves as they please.

That kind of thing. Not sure how they went about Blackshields in HH.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
They’d have to give up a lot of vehicles but gain a bunch of esoteric infantry weapons. But how to actually represent that is difficult. Bonus CAF when fighting certain types of enemy?

Could be relatively mix and match traits, whilst losing out on certain options etc.

Hats off to the maniac who edge highlighted individual epic marines! Looks great, but absolute madness.

Sonsoftherock wrote:
Hats off to the maniac who edge highlighted individual epic marines! Looks great, but absolute madness.

Is....is that not normal?

No. Everyone knows the well known public fact that’s known by everyone that the release of Contrast Paints was so anyone could paint Epic Scale with ease, and still get decent result.

Actual factuality of fact presented as more factually accurate and that actual factually accurate status of not very factually accurate at all.

Jeez, you'll be telling me next that not everybody cuts all the base tabs off the feet and trims out all the excess plastic from the undercuts on their infantry.

Designing the Dark Mechanicum

The new article has two nice images that show the size of the new Dark Mech machines compared to titans and Mechanicum units:

The article also confirms that the stalkers will be available later this year.

Whilst the models are quite cool (giving me a strong War of the World vibes), the vibe of that force feels a bit...well..dull to me. I feels like an army of a few giant spiders with Titan support. I also wouldn't be surprised if this is it for the Dark Mechanicum. But perhaps I'm being too pessimistic!

Was hoping they'd cover just a little about the Titan and Knight formations, as thats the reason I'd like the new book. It would be really crap if all they get is like 2 pages or something.

I don't even know the right place to ask this, is there anyone out there doing homebrew legion stuff? Legion specific units, other armies, etc?

I'm sure there is, Cole1114. I was doing a little for AT, and there's another member Crablezworth who was always whipping stuff up for others to use.

 cole1114 wrote:
I don't even know the right place to ask this, is there anyone out there doing homebrew legion stuff? Legion specific units, other armies, etc?

There is a fair amount of discussion on that kind of stuff over at Bolter and Chainsword. They have dedicated forums for LI. There is also a good LI group on Reddit. Those areas are dedicated to LI.

Thanks,
Duncan

SamusDrake wrote:
Was hoping they'd cover just a little about the Titan and Knight formations, as thats the reason I'd like the new book. It would be really crap if all they get is like 2 pages or something.

There is a choice of manilples and lances in the book. You can have pure titan or knight forces but will be at a servere disadvantage for objective control. Titans and Knights do turn up as optional extras to Mechanicum formations and the Dark Mechanicum do not get access to everything from the 'regular' Mechanicum (just most things).

MarkNorfolk wrote:


There is a choice of manilples and lances in the book. You can have pure titan or knight forces but will be at a servere disadvantage for objective control. Titans and Knights do turn up as optional extras to Mechanicum formations and the Dark Mechanicum do not get access to everything from the 'regular' Mechanicum (just most things).

You've seen the book already? Awesome.

If the T&Ks can be part of the Mechanicum formations then that certainly adds value to the book. Its thrown me off my original purchase plans for tomorrow, but the Mechanicum bundle might be worth the investment...

Cheers, Mark.

MarkNorfolk wrote:
the Dark Mechanicum do not get access to everything from the 'regular' Mechanicum (just most things).

Dees that mean a DarkMech army can't use all the models from the battlegroup?

Dark Mech can't use: Arlatax, Domitar, Castellax, Vorax, Vultarax, Thanatar. But that is detailed in list of usable units. They don't actually have the 'Loyalist' keyword, so there is scope for 'allies' shenanigans.

Odd, because weren't there a lot of the Legio Cybernetica (the whole robots subfaction of the Mechanicum) who very willingly joined the Traitors?

 Malika2 wrote:
Odd, because weren't there a lot of the Legio Cybernetica (the whole robots subfaction of the Mechanicum) who very willingly joined the Traitors?

Well, on another glace, the Dark Mechanicum Army chapter badly states that Dark Mechanicum can be an allied contingent to a Mechanicum army.

Mechanicum. Do doo de do-do!

 Malika2 wrote:
Odd, because weren't there a lot of the Legio Cybernetica (the whole robots subfaction of the Mechanicum) who very willingly joined the Traitors?

Spot on.
Legio Cybernetica wanted their sillica animus

If they care about the fluff of the setting, then allying in an army of Ordo Reductor should allow loyalists to use darkmech roboto-san.

Final article of the day is one of Mechanicum paint schemes

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/lozfp6ga/behold-the-martian-taghmatas-fresh-from-our-community-painters-forges/

Just thinking ahead, is there any fluff around Mechanicum paint schemes from big 30k/previous books - other than the red being the default? (E.g. just wondering if that is Mars specific or loyalist specific etc)

I'll be doing Martian loyalist Mechanicum to go with my Legio Ignatum, so just wondering whether that means fluff-wise I should stick to red or whether there are some other options!

Pretty sure all the Black Books after their release had colour plates of them. Would have to check but I know Inferno does for sure.

Mars - near-rust red with black and cream detailing
Lucius - scarlet red with white and black detailing
Agripinaa - very dark grey/black with cherry red and white detailing
Metallica - white with dark grey and cherry red detailing
Ryza - rust orange with black detailing

The card pack says there are 4x formations each for Mech and Dark Mech and 5x Dark Mech detachments so no more units for now.

But Mechanicum has 19x detachment cards. The battlegroup only has 14x different units, 15x if the Thanatar gets split into two different weapon options.
With the Karacnos and Krios thats 17x, 18x if the Krios also gets split into two with weapon options.
So either all three krios weapons are in the kit or there is one more unit left that we don't know about yet

Not sure why they wouldn't put all 3 guns in the krios kit. Doesn't have sponsons so plenty of room on a 3 tank per sprue

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Not sure why they wouldn't put all 3 guns in the krios kit. Doesn't have sponsons so plenty of room on a 3 tank per sprue

Its not too surprising but still nice to basically get confirmation

 Matrindur wrote:
The card pack says there are 4x formations each for Mech and Dark Mech and 5x Dark Mech detachments so no more units for now.

But Mechanicum has 19x detachment cards. The battlegroup only has 14x different units, 15x if the Thanatar gets split into two different weapon options.
With the Karacnos and Krios thats 17x, 18x if the Krios also gets split into two with weapon options.
So either all three krios weapons are in the kit or there is one more unit left that we don't know about yet

I wouldn't get too hung up on the card counting; the last deck had mixed numbers with some units having 2 copies and others having 1 copy.

Also given that they weren't formally unveiled yet, I'm not convinced that Krios & Karacnos are in this rulebook.

 xttz wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
The card pack says there are 4x formations each for Mech and Dark Mech and 5x Dark Mech detachments so no more units for now.

But Mechanicum has 19x detachment cards. The battlegroup only has 14x different units, 15x if the Thanatar gets split into two different weapon options.
With the Karacnos and Krios thats 17x, 18x if the Krios also gets split into two with weapon options.
So either all three krios weapons are in the kit or there is one more unit left that we don't know about yet

I wouldn't get too hung up on the card counting; the last deck had mixed numbers with some units having 2 copies and others having 1 copy.

Also given that they weren't formally unveiled yet, I'm not convinced that Krios & Karacnos are in this rulebook.

Sure but the last pack also had a bigger difference in numbers, here it is so close that I doubt they would just print 2-3 of the 14 units double.
Also the book has a Battle Tank section for Mechanicum and I don't think any of the bots will fit in that slot so pretty likely Krios and Karacnos are in

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Not sure why they wouldn't put all 3 guns in the krios kit. Doesn't have sponsons so plenty of room on a 3 tank per sprue

And yet the new Mechanicum models that share core bodies with others didn't get varied weapons. Thanatar Cavas Siege-automata and Triaros Armoured Conveyor both have alternate version that with a different weapon part basically build a different unit. However they were single kits without the additional parts.

I've wondered if its part of GW steadily shifting some models/brands/elements toward mono-kits instead of multi-kits as a response to 3rd parties producing spare parts. So instead of people buying 2 or 3 kits for all options they are buying one and then using 3rd party; so GW might be taking some limited form of shield against that by reducing what optional parts come in kits in the first place.

That or its something less obvious like a a simple budget limit and they couldn't justify another sprue in the budget for the optional parts so it winds up getting pushed into an entirely new product investment.

 Matrindur wrote:

Also the book has a Battle Tank section for Mechanicum and I don't think any of the bots will fit in that slot so pretty likely Krios and Karacnos are in

Just had confirmation that the Karacnos, Krios, and Krios Venator have unit entries in the book. Which is pretty unusual as GW normally properly announce all new plastic kits before a book releases.

All we've had is a photo that may be accidental.

 Overread wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Not sure why they wouldn't put all 3 guns in the krios kit. Doesn't have sponsons so plenty of room on a 3 tank per sprue

And yet the new Mechanicum models that share core bodies with others didn't get varied weapons. Thanatar Cavas Siege-automata and Triaros Armoured Conveyor both have alternate version that with a different weapon part basically build a different unit. However they were single kits without the additional parts.

I've wondered if its part of GW steadily shifting some models/brands/elements toward mono-kits instead of multi-kits as a response to 3rd parties producing spare parts. So instead of people buying 2 or 3 kits for all options they are buying one and then using 3rd party; so GW might be taking some limited form of shield against that by reducing what optional parts come in kits in the first place.

That or its something less obvious like a a simple budget limit and they couldn't justify another sprue in the budget for the optional parts so it winds up getting pushed into an entirely new product investment.

Likely the size of the sprue required.

The Predator tank has two variant kits, and between them I think we get every option. But there, it’s relatively straight forward. Gun barrels, alternative bits for the ammo locker thing on the back of the turret.

Triaros to Karacnos is considerably more involved, as the entire roof is different, and it’s a pretty long vehicle (longer than the Spartan from the pics I’ve seen)

The Krios? It’s more a self propelled gun in terms of design. And that takes up more sprue space.

I've got a review of the Mechanicum Battle Group box with high-res sprue images: https://taleofpainters.com/2024/10/review-legions-imperialis-mechanicum-battlegroup/

 xttz wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

Also the book has a Battle Tank section for Mechanicum and I don't think any of the bots will fit in that slot so pretty likely Krios and Karacnos are in

Just had confirmation that the Karacnos, Krios, and Krios Venator have unit entries in the book. Which is pretty unusual as GW normally properly announce all new plastic kits before a book releases.

All we've had is a photo that may be accidental.

Think they did that with the last book. There’s a few weeks before we get the book in hand when they could do a reveal along with a catch up release in a month

£95 for the Battleforce feels pretty nice, though of course I don’t know what the points look like.

But discounted to £76 by Element is feeling close to irresistible.

The only thing stopping me is the two unfinished HH battleforces of Mechanicum on the table next to me!

I’m also building up my Mechanicum forces in 28mm.

100% in for the book though.

Im still building the stuff from the starter box. But this is tempting to go with AT titans

Book and Mechanicum box ordered! Goonhammer have a review article of the book up:

https://www.goonhammer.com/legions-imperialis-rise-of-the-dark-mechanicum-the-goonhammer-review/

Those looking forward to the Knight rules will be happy! Though the Titan Legio rules look a bit pointless, particularly when you can take Titans (and Knights) in the Mechanicum formations anyway.

Oddly the Krios Battle Tank (3-9) and Krios Venator (2-8) have different unit sizes, making me wonder if they're going to be distinct kits like Russes. That's potentially up to 9 kits for Mechanicum in total.

While you can't mix DarkMech-specific stalkers in the same list as a lot of the Taghmata stuff, you can bring knights & titans as part of a Mechanicum army. So you can have a list that looks like:
>=70% Taghmata, Knights, Titans
<=30% DarkMech stalker allies
(or vice-versa)

Bit disappointing there seems to be no decals for the mechanicum, when we've been flooded with sheets in every other set so far!

Thankfully I have two partial sheets from 40k sets which should just about work with some minor alterations- cutting them down before worked fine on my vanguard not-skitarii models.

But otherwise the preview of the models are great. 1997 me would never had believed we'd see a mechanicum set like this after seeing the old rules in citadel journal for E40k and having to try to put together a force from scraps & old 2nd ed models. Multi part 'sort of' 6mm scale model robots ripe for converting and plundering. I'm honestly dreaming!

I've zero interest in the rules, but I've even picked the book up just to have a nose at the lore & art this time round!

Collegia Titanica rules seem silly, those formations are crap, and it's easier to bring Warmaster titans than it is warlords for some reason.

Knight House rules seem decent enough though.

Yeah the collegia rules are a complete miss. In that there kinda just aren't any, just (bad) formations.

Titans are plenty powerful on their own. Consider there’s a fair chunk of most armies which just can’t do anything except hope to swamp them in HTH.

chaos0xomega wrote:

Knight House rules seem decent enough though.

They'll be a lot more interesting if/when GW get around to plastic Armigers. Between the compulsory slots and increased tactical strength, a good few of those will be needed for a functional Knights list.

 cole1114 wrote:
Yeah the collegia rules are a complete miss. In that there kinda just aren't any, just (bad) formations.

On the upside, titan slots in the Mechanicum lists mean we can finally run unit combinations that required >3000pt games. A full-sized Warhound pack or 2 Warlord titans no longer require playing Titandeath.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Titans are plenty powerful on their own. Consider there’s a fair chunk of most armies which just can’t do anything except hope to swamp them in HTH.

You say that as though it actually isn't relatively trivial for most armies to deal with a titan.

Operative word there being “a”. Singular.

An army comprised of Titans? That’s a very different story.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Operative word there being “a”. Singular.

An army comprised of Titans? That’s a very different story.

Sounds fluffy actually. Old Epic kept marginalizing titans and pushing them further and further away. Hope the new one learns from that mistake.

I think the new game still has go to through its growth phase. That is the phase between 1st and 2nd/3rd edition where armies start out small and steadily grow in volume as a matured market develops with bigger collections and investment into the game.

When you can double the unit count in the game you can make things like titans work better because there's more on the other side to oppose them.
You go from two or three counter tanks to 10 or 20 countering them (numbers totally random) which in turn makes the titans feel far far more powerful because more things have to take them on at once.

Presume you have not played the game then Overread, unit count is already massive.

Still trapped on the fenceline - first cause no Tyranids; then cause whilst Mechanicum is coming I'm kind of committed into too many other bits now to really make the jump and have time to put it together.

That said the battle reports still seem like unit counts are "smaller" than the old Epic days*. Granted models ARE bigger; heck warlords are massive compared to what they were (my warlord is still only half built) and are closer to old Imperator size.



*at least when casually observing box content and similar point values AND when wearing the double pair of rose-tinted glasses

The Mechanicum Battlegroup is 1320 points, it's a great box for doubling up on and pairing with a titan or knights for a lower cost 3000 point army. It'll probably fair decently in games with the amount of walkers and infantry to boot. A single box could bring flavor, as an ally Taghmata with the Ordo Reductor Subdivision or Taghma Sub-covenant detachment's.

The Dark Mechanicum list restrictions are interesting....I hope this isn't a sign of things to come for 30k lists in restricting automata. At least we have a glimmer of hope for a Dark Mechanicum Battlegroup in both game systems due to unique kits.

Thank you, Goonhammer, for the book review.

I got the book and the cards on order - will hold off on minis till I get a handle on which formations might be right for me.

Put in a request at my FLGS for the box and book. I have yet to play LI, but have been having fun building tiny tanks, and have a ton of AT what the Mechanicum stuff will look good alongsides

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:
The Mechanicum Battlegroup is 1320 points...

I did some checking and most of the Mechanicum kits will be better £/pt value than the marine & solar kits at launch. Most boxes give you 300-400pts of minis, in particular any related to automata or stalkers.

The worst deals are on the tanks; ranging from ~150pts for Krios/Karacnos boxes to just 60pts for Triaros transports. Luckily the latter are in the battlegroup.

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:

The Dark Mechanicum list restrictions are interesting....I hope this isn't a sign of things to come for 30k lists in restricting automata. At least we have a glimmer of hope for a Dark Mechanicum Battlegroup in both game systems due to unique kits.

I think this is just a way to ensure LI DarkMech aren't just Mechanicum++; otherwise virtually every LI Mechanicum list would be run as traitor allegiance due to the unique kits. Instead there's small penalty of needing to use your allies allowance to bring every unit.

Wait, the transports are 15 points each?

Strange that the made the Dark Mechanicum a own Faction instead to solving everything with the Loyalst/Traitor Keywords.

Seems a chunk of the Dark Mechanicum’s nature is in creating your command web thing using the various Stalkers.

Lining up to be fairly “Undead” in use and countering. Take out the right thing to break the synergy and you’ll have an easier time.

More will be known of course once we’ve had a chance to digest the book for ourselves.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wait, the transports are 15 points each?

How much are Rhinos, Doc? Don't have any of the books to compare the two.

I’ll check in a minute. Got the Nephloof sleeping next to me, and I don’t want to disturb him as he’s had a dicky tummy. His hoomans should be round in 15 minutes to collect him though.

Rhinos are 10pts transport 2. Triaros are 15pts Large transport 4.


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Plus triaros has guns that are actually worth something built in...

It's still odd that Triaros don't have stats closer to a Spartan considering they're the same size. Even Sv3+ W2 would be OK, assuming an appropriate points hike.

 ingtaer wrote:
Rhinos are 10pts transport 2. Krios are 15pts Large transport 4.


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Plus Krios has guns that are actually worth something built in...

The Triaros seems pretty cheap comparing it to the other two bigger transports which are the Dracosan and Spartan at 37pts and 80pts respectively. Yes they are better but thats a big pts difference

Agreed, they seem insanely powerful, even more so as you can stuff walkers in them!

What are the Triaros weapons like? Only the other two can serve as main line battle tanks, which is gonna bump up their points.

Well, the Dracosan to a slightly lesser degree, but it still packs solid heat for a transport.

Equivalent firepower to a Castellax base and some pathetic volkite I believe.

So mostly small arms, maybe Light AT?

three 8” 5+ -1AP Light AT shots on the mauler.

Is it just me or did the original printed box shown say that this set had 8* Thanatar but it actually has 4?

It did say 8, I think?


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Also as weapons go? That’s not too awful. Certainly I’d rather have Light AT than just Light.

 ingtaer wrote:


Is it just me or did the original printed box shown say that this set had 8* Thanatar but it actually has 4?

The box does contain 8 (same as the individual kit once released), it's due to the fact that the models are printed at actual size that only 4 are shown. Just like the Triaros showing 1 model.

It is 8 Thanatars. Can confirm.

Can someone check my maths here, it looks like the box gives the following detachments;
1 (or 2) HQ.
2 Core.
6 (or 7) Support.
3 Vanguard.
1 Bastion.
1 Transport.

The ors being if you take priests as hq or support.

 ingtaer wrote:
Can someone check my maths here, it looks like the box gives the following detachments;
1 (or 2) HQ.
2 Core.
6 (or 7) Support.
3 Vanguard.
1 Bastion.
1 Transport.

The ors being if you take priests as hq or support.

Here's my count based on the GMG review video. Most of these can be taken as a single unit for most efficient points use, or split into 2/4 detachments to help fill compulsory slots.

– 2x Archmagos Prime (on or off Abeyant) 2 HQ – 8x Thallax Cohort bases 1-4 Core – 10x Adsecularis Tech-Thrall bases 1-2 Core – 2x Myrmidon Secutor Host bases 1 Support – 4x Myrmidon Destructor Host bases 1-2 Support – 2x Tech-Priest Auxilia bases 2 Support – 4x Ursarax Cohort bases 1-2 Support – 4x Castellax Battle-Automata bases 1-4 Support – 2x Domitar Battle-Automata 1-2 Support – 2x Vorax Battle-Automata bases 1-2 Vanguard – 2x Vultarax Stratos-Automata 1-2 Vanguard – 2x Arlatax Battle-Automata 1-2 Support – 8x Thanatar Siege-Automata 1-4 Bastion

 xttz wrote:

Here's my count based on the GMG review video. Most of these can be taken as a single unit for most efficient points use, or split into 2/4 detachments to help fill compulsory slots.

You can change the Tech Priest Auxilia to 1-2 too as you can take up to 3 per support slot that act as individual detachments afterwards.

Also I didn't realize Thanatars are detachment size 2 which feels kind of weird when Arlatax, Domitars, Vorax and Vultarax are all detachment size 1. The only ones with size 2 are Ursarax, Castellax and Thallax which have multiple models per base

ingtaer wrote:Pretty sure all the Black Books after their release had colour plates of them. Would have to check but I know Inferno does for sure.

Ah interesting. Sadly I don't have any of the Black Books, only got into 30k with the new edition.

SirDonlad wrote:Mars - near-rust red with black and cream detailing
Lucius - scarlet red with white and black detailing
Agripinaa - very dark grey/black with cherry red and white detailing
Metallica - white with dark grey and cherry red detailing
Ryza - rust orange with black detailing

That's perfect, thanks!



Also, Chaos Bunker has a full set of reviews of the Mechanicum kits up now. Interesting mix, very positive on the infantry thralls/thallax though the robots sound a bit disappointing (LI dreadnought-style overengineering up to 11). Definitely thinking Castellax are going to look better 2 to a base.

https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2024/10/19/review-legions-imperialis-mechanicum-infantry/

https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2024/10/19/review-legions-imperialis-mechanicum-battle-automata/

https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2024/10/19/review-legions-imperialis-mechanicum-thanatar-siege-automata/

https://www.chaosbunker.de/en/2024/10/19/review-legions-imperialis-mechanicum-triaros-squadron/

Those Thanatar look insane to build, not sure if they or Leviathans are worse.

Definitely agreed on 2 Castellax to a base, its too busy with 3 and not just because I want 2 extra bases worth out of the box...

Support Detachment rules!

https://assets.warhammer-community.com/legions_imperialis_expandedcyberneticaformations_eng_07-mdsmqowyoy-tu5prvasqe.pdf

Surprised that we still didn't get to see the Karacnos and Krios but these at least look interesting.

With these you can now basically mix Mechanicum Automata into every other army separately from the allies rules.
Wonder if we are going to get similar support formations to also mix SA and SM or both with the Titan/Knight lists but I guess at that point you could just throw out the allies restrictions anyway

I’m definitely in the market for boxes of Automata when they’re released.

A fairly surprising reveal of a bunch of Mechanicus formations for all different armies

They include some very interesting ones, like a Titan formation one that represents supporting troops where the Titan gets cortex controller and while they are nearby, they get Tactical Strength equal to its wounds which gives them some support for grabbing objectives.

There is also a Knight one which depending on which automatons you take, gives the Knights Outflank or Forward Deployment. Some cool stuff in there.

Oh my god this is pushing me hard to order a copy of ROTDM and the Mechanicum box set. I was going to call it quits at just a box of Solar Infantry, but I'm gonna have to give this serious thought.

HidaO-Win wrote:

They include some very interesting ones, like a Titan formation one that represents supporting troops where the Titan gets cortex controller and while they are nearby, they get Tactical Strength equal to its wounds which gives them some support for grabbing objectives.

Its really funny that in the formation that can take units that have tactical strength they have a special rule that gives titans extra tactical strength but in the titan only army lists that would need such a rule not a single formation gets any special rules

It truly is a loss for all humanity that they didn't have similar formations in the game from the beginning, starting with the launch box itself.

Odd that these weren’t included in the book itself.

For those who don’t have the book, I’ll do a quick summary of what’s where down in the main chat. Might help folk consider if they want to pick it up.

Thanks Doc that would be useful.

I really cannot get a grasp of the names with the Mechanicum stuff. Everything sounds like the name of an Australian tennis player.

Awesome.

That’s that done, with a flavour of what each offers.

 Matrindur wrote:

HidaO-Win wrote:

They include some very interesting ones, like a Titan formation one that represents supporting troops where the Titan gets cortex controller and while they are nearby, they get Tactical Strength equal to its wounds which gives them some support for grabbing objectives.

Its really funny that in the formation that can take units that have tactical strength they have a special rule that gives titans extra tactical strength but in the titan only army lists that would need such a rule not a single formation gets any special rules

It was a shame that the maniple formations in ROTDM didn’t have some little rule to give them something. The ‘all rounder’ Axiom Maniple could have been given some Tactical strength, for example.

Is there anny other "legal" color scheme not having red for mechanica?? I already have bloodangels and red in my solor auxillia.

 skeleton wrote:
Is there anny other "legal" color scheme not having red for mechanica?? I already have bloodangels and red in my solor auxillia.

I mean, the article from today gives you plenty of examples that are all like: If you don't want to do red, here's what you can do following the fluff.

Also, Mechanicum so far lack Legion rules. So you can do pretty much any colour scheme you please, with absolutely no drawbacks.


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Intinerant Cybernetic Cohort is probably my favourite, being comprised solely of rogue Automata.

And I think it could be capable of quite nasty tricks.

See, Automats typically have a choice of two orders, which can normally be overridden with a Tech-Priest nearby.

Here you’ve less flexibility, but with some careful planning, as your Order is replaced on Reveal Orders, you’ve some wiggle room to react to your opponent’s orders.

All very dependant on your deployment and disposition, but in a game where Orders determine not only what you can do, but when you can do it? Being able to swap out definitely has tactical application.

How might I use it? I’ll tell you when I’ve some games under my belt, and my rules knowledge starts to solidify

 skeleton wrote:
Is there anny other "legal" color scheme not having red for mechanica?? I already have bloodangels and red in my solor auxillia.

There's these from the Mech liber.



Wikia page for Castellax has a few poor quality crops from the black books.

Quick question on the Thanatars, the sprue comes with 4 Graviton Rams (and 4 basic right arms) plus 2 Plasma Mortars and 2 Heavy Las Cannons.

Looking at the rules it seems like you can either kit them out with the Plasma Mortar and regular arm or upgrade to have the Heavy Las and Graviton Ram, so you can only ever use two of the Graviton Rams and two of the standard arms, is that right? So the extra arms are currently not usable, other than potentially having slightly different posing?

Tavis75 wrote:
Quick question on the Thanatars, the sprue comes with 4 Graviton Rams (and 4 basic right arms) plus 2 Plasma Mortars and 2 Heavy Las Cannons.

Looking at the rules it seems like you can either kit them out with the Plasma Mortar and regular arm or upgrade to have the Heavy Las and Graviton Ram, so you can only ever use two of the Graviton Rams and two of the standard arms, is that right? So the extra arms are currently not usable, other than potentially having slightly different posing?

Correct the extra Graviton Rams and left arms are just to get different poses

Got some pre-orders next week.

Dark Mechanicum, Thanatar and….



Some tempting raised plazas.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Got some pre-orders next week.

Dark Mechanicum, Thanatar and….



Some tempting raised plazas.

An arena for two Knights to fight it out while the other Knights and Titans stand around watching and cheering!

I'll be getting a set of those tiles. Interesting to see they are adding to the LI terrain range, I'll need to plan my terrain build plans and purchases a bit more carefully going forward.. Perhaps not a good idea to splurge a lot on any single item, if maximum terrain variety is the end game (as it always is in my case)

Couple of those tiles (so one set) should add some handy variety and height, so for me they’re welcome additions.

Looks like the perfect terrain for a display board.

Also useful to help make a bunch of smaller buildings look like they’re part of a larger complex.

Prices for this week:
To no surprise the tiles are webstore exclusives so no prices yet, the rest is the standard price point

Relieved to see stalkers are same price as regular LI kits. I had a feeling that the Serperos ones would on par with box of four Acheron/Castigator knights.

A welcome surprise indeed.

No word on how their AT rules are?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
A welcome surprise indeed.

No word on how their AT rules are?

That's what I'm waiting for!

If I'm being honest, I'll probably buy a box regardless. Thematically they fit nicely with my Audax and their Sarum connection.

If WarCom don't preview them first during the week then we should see AT rules on Saturday when the usual folks get review copies.

I'm now hoping someone makes printable spider legs for the titans, for visual coherency

As for this week...

Later in the week we’ve got coverage of the next supplement for Kill Team, plus an ironclad banger of a Heresy Thursday.

...and I doubt it will have anything to do with AT. They've only coughed the game's name over the last year and I don't see that changing now.

Looking on the bright side, I think the Stalker Constructs box would be enough for a Terror formation's compulsory detachments? 290 + whatever it maybe for a Hound or a Knight? And then the walkers are usable in AT...not bad if there's something in the box for both games.

Also, bit of a hack would be to have just two Harpax models on a base, stretching them to 12 bases for a compulsory Swarm formation. With one model less one each base could include a little scenery detail.

SamusDrake wrote:
As for this week...

Later in the week we’ve got coverage of the next supplement for Kill Team, plus an ironclad banger of a Heresy Thursday.

...and I doubt it will have anything to do with AT. They've only coughed the game's name over the last year and I don't see that changing now.

Looking on the bright side, I think the Stalker Constructs box would be enough for a Terror formation's compulsory detachments? 290 + whatever it maybe for a Hound or a Knight? And then the walkers are usable in AT...not bad if there's something in the box for both games.

Also, bit of a hack would be to have just two Harpax models on a base, stretching them to 12 bases for a compulsory Swarm formation. With one model less one each base could include a little scenery detail.

Actually, I got a marketing email from them last week promoting AT and the AT starter set. I think they could do a slightly better job of reminding folks about it. But I appreciate that they're people of their word and not killing off the game.

I don't know what to think about LI though. It may be different in the UK and EU, but in my region in the US it doesn't seem to have caught on much. Was in my hometown for Thanksgiving, and here's what the local FLGS's 40% discount table looked like:



I grabbed a couple Reavers from their pile. After those, the only Titans left were Warhounds, which can be found on eBay for about 40% off retail anyway. They had a couple Warmasters on their regular shelf, still at full price.

Would have picked up a few sets myself for 40% discount!

Good to hear about the email. I take it you run an indie shop?

So uhh... do they still have any of that available at 40% off?

Uhhh.... Did you buy enough for the whole class?

I don't htink the game is helped that on the new GW webstore you have to go through two menus to get the link for the range to appear.

So anyone casually browsing who doesn't know of the game might well miss it even existing unless its a release week.

One of my local game stores also had lots of LI for 30% off, but it was just stuff he over ordered. Lots of transports like drop pods, Argus lighters, and such. I did get two boxes of basalisks however. And a set of dire wolves.

SamusDrake wrote:
Would have picked up a few sets myself for 40% discount!

Good to hear about the email. I take it you run an indie shop?

No I don't own a store...it was just a regular consumer email. "Stomp Into Tactical Epic-scale Battles". It featured the starter set, legio books, and campaign compendium. It's good to see they're still doing some promotion.


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chaos0xomega wrote:
So uhh... do they still have any of that available at 40% off?

Maybe? The store isn't local to my current home...I stopped in (and then stopped back) when I was visiting family. The LI pile didn't seem to have changed much when I stopped back. If I lived closer, I probably would have stopped back again to check in case a Warmaster found its way to the discount table.

If I had been to that store, it would have been 6-8 boxes smaller at 40% off. Building bitty tanks is a ton of fun.

 gorgon wrote:

No I don't own a store...it was just a regular consumer email. "Stomp Into Tactical Epic-scale Battles". It featured the starter set, legio books, and campaign compendium. It's good to see they're still doing some promotion.

Oh, I see. I've not noticed one for here in the UK, so maybe its a localized promotion. I suppose products will have varying levels of success depending on where it's sold.

So yeah...you guys are letting the team down! Must purchase faster!

3rd party stores are under pressure and sometimes they have to sell stock for way less and make very little to no profit just to get the money they spent buying it back to then spend on something faster selling.

We had the same thing when GW overstocked Dominions on some 3rd parties last edition for AoS. Some stores were selling stock wholesale to clear them not because they wouldn't sell but because they weren't selling fast enough.


A lot of stores these days cannot afford to just sit on stock for too long, esp when that stock takes up storage/shelfspace and many outlets are on the smalle side. Space is a premium and if a bunch of models is going to take 6 months to sell vs the latest MTG set that will sell out in a week - they are going to start pushing to get that space for something faster.

Heck you get the same thing with sales like Black Friday - sometimes the biggest discounts are on stuff that's just not sold in ages and the store just wants it gone.

Yeah...at 40% off I would have bought about 12 of those boxes....

 Overread wrote:
3rd party stores are under pressure and sometimes they have to sell stock for way less and make very little to no profit just to get the money they spent buying it back to then spend on something faster selling.

We had the same thing when GW overstocked Dominions on some 3rd parties last edition for AoS. Some stores were selling stock wholesale to clear them not because they wouldn't sell but because they weren't selling fast enough.


A lot of stores these days cannot afford to just sit on stock for too long, esp when that stock takes up storage/shelfspace and many outlets are on the smalle side. Space is a premium and if a bunch of models is going to take 6 months to sell vs the latest MTG set that will sell out in a week - they are going to start pushing to get that space for something faster.

Heck you get the same thing with sales like Black Friday - sometimes the biggest discounts are on stuff that's just not sold in ages and the store just wants it gone.

I got a copy of Dominion from Miniature Market a few weeks back for $100. Once those boxes finally dry up, the value on those minis is going to really climb.

The store in question is pretty large. Probably huge by UK standards. Shelf space is a thing for everyone, but I got the impression that LI just didn't have a following there.



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 Lathe Biosas wrote:
Uhhh.... Did you buy enough for the whole class?

Nah, just some Titans. LI kits are mostly base decoration for an AT guy like me, and I'm good for now. Looking forward to those Heavy Stalkers though.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
If I had been to that store, it would have been 6-8 shelves smaller at 40% off. Building bitty tanks is a ton of fun.

There, I fixed that statement right up- I have zero self control when it comes to epic!

 gorgon wrote:

 Overread wrote:
3rd party stores are under pressure and sometimes they have to sell stock for way less and make very little to no profit just to get the money they spent buying it back to then spend on something faster selling.

We had the same thing when GW overstocked Dominions on some 3rd parties last edition for AoS. Some stores were selling stock wholesale to clear them not because they wouldn't sell but because they weren't selling fast enough.


A lot of stores these days cannot afford to just sit on stock for too long, esp when that stock takes up storage/shelfspace and many outlets are on the smalle side. Space is a premium and if a bunch of models is going to take 6 months to sell vs the latest MTG set that will sell out in a week - they are going to start pushing to get that space for something faster.

Heck you get the same thing with sales like Black Friday - sometimes the biggest discounts are on stuff that's just not sold in ages and the store just wants it gone.

I got a copy of Dominion from Miniature Market a few weeks back for $100. Once those boxes finally dry up, the value on those minis is going to really climb.

for ages, my LGS had two copies of dominion on their shelf for $100. i got one of them last year, and then a few weeks ago picked up the other for $80

$80 is insane. Could probably sell off one side and keep the other for basically free.

 gorgon wrote:


Nah, just some Titans. LI kits are mostly base decoration for an AT guy like me, and I'm good for now.

Not to push this into a different direction, but do you have any pictures of how you use them, because that sounds like a great idea.

 gorgon wrote:
$80 is insane. Could probably sell off one side and keep the other for basically free.

i wanted the orcs to use in TOW/WHFB, and my girlfriend had been talking about using the other half for blood angel conversions, so i'm using all of it

SamusDrake wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

No I don't own a store...it was just a regular consumer email. "Stomp Into Tactical Epic-scale Battles". It featured the starter set, legio books, and campaign compendium. It's good to see they're still doing some promotion.

Oh, I see. I've not noticed one for here in the UK, so maybe its a localized promotion. I suppose products will have varying levels of success depending on where it's sold.

I'm in the UK and got the AT advertising e-mail.

Those scenery tiles are nice, and conveniently a set of two, plus the three boxes of road tiles I bought back at release, give the 20 tiles needed for the recommended 5x4 board size, so think I will be picking up a set.

The tiles look really nice, just prohibitively expensive - makes £60 for a nice fleece mat (that I don't need to paint) look positively cheap.

That said, if they were (very unlikely!) to ever do a big box with two/three of the regular title sets and one of these new ones bundled together at a good enough discount I'd definitely buy it then.

Given how very, very flat the basic tiles are, I'd certainly say it makes more sense to get n appropriately scaled cityfight neoprene mat and some freestanding raised plazas (maybe from Troublemaker Games)

Yes that is what I have done (although I stole the idea from someone else!) Fairly cheap wargaming city mat of approx scale, then cut into areas for your buildings. I mounted mine onto thin cork board just to make it a bit more durable.

I quite liked the way classic WD reports used to be done, so this was an effort to recreate that but to modernise it (so you had more defined industrial areas, residential etc)

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Given how very, very flat the basic tiles are, I'd certainly say it makes more sense to get n appropriately scaled cityfight neoprene mat and some freestanding raised plazas (maybe from Troublemaker Games)

Yeah that is the plan to be honest, though went fleece rather than neoprene just so I have a bit more flexibility with draping it over different sized tables.

I wonder if we will see further Tile Variants...

3 more Mechanicum LI kits up for sale in Jan:

As the above post indicated, some of the Mechanicum kits from the Battle Group box go up on pre-order next week.

Gonna have to review the Hybrid Detachments, aren’t I?

Reckon I’ll be in for a box or three of the Automata.

Super annoyed the Triaos box comes with the decal sheet that clearly existed on the studio army but wasn't included in the army box.

With this release, we're most through with the Mechanicum Range?

RazorEdge wrote:
With this release, we're most through with the Mechanicum Range?

There's another 2 or 3 tank kits still to be formally unveiled. We got a sneak peak of them in this article a while ago and their rules are in the new book, but there hasn't been a proper Heresy Thursday article with full details yet. It's looking as though the Krios will be two distinct kits for the regular & tank-hunter variants, as the unit entries come with different size options of 2/4/6/8 models versus 3/6/9.

So from this book there should be one more wave of three kits; fingers crossed that happens some time in Feb. Then we can start to speculate on book #4.

I doubt we will ever see any real Epic scaled exclusive units, will we?

 Malika2 wrote:
I doubt we will ever see any real Epic scaled exclusive units, will we?

In theory we should because you can do stuff in that that won't fit 40K regular

 Malika2 wrote:
I doubt we will ever see any real Epic scaled exclusive units, will we?

Everything in the spider-knight box, so far? And some of the newer titans.

 Malika2 wrote:
I doubt we will ever see any real Epic scaled exclusive units, will we?

So far, everything Dark Mechanicum is LI-exclusive. Time will tell if they jump to 28mm-scale games.

The HH still has most of the Mechanicum line to release to plastic/update/add too

They said that the constructs are coming to 30k and the pics in the Rise book are of the 28mm scale ones so it is a given.

Epic has always been the home of vehicle innovation in 40K, that’s true.

But times have moved on since its heyday, and now I think the only stuff we’re unlikely to see in 28mm would be the Leviathan, Capitol Imperialis etc.

I wonder if you could build a Capitol Imperialis by kitbashing the LI kits with LI terrain..

 tauist wrote:
I wonder if you could build a Capitol Imperialis by kitbashing the LI kits with LI terrain..

That's a capital idea - and yes, I bet it could be done, and probably not that difficult to do now!

 xttz wrote:
Then we can start to speculate on book #4.

I'm 100% sure, it will be Molech.

With Focus on Sons of Horus and Ultramarines, and Imperial Knights.

Certain resin knights are now sold out online or vanished on GW UK.

Can we but hope?

We've had the box artwork for Styrix / Magaera / Atrapos since day one, so for those it's likely just a matter of time. Fingers crossed for armigers too.

All of these kits can also be moved into plastic at pretty much any time, without being scheduled with a related supplement book. Watch out for upcoming Heresy Thursdays I guess.

I just hope the Titans and Knights of Ryza finally get transfers: Legio Crucius (The Warmongers) and Knight House Sidus.

I would guess that they're selling through the resin kits for Titans and Knights for a new edition of AT this year, as its now GW's oldest edition of any of their current games.

SamusDrake wrote:
I would guess that they're selling through the resin kits for Titans and Knights for a new edition of AT this year, as its now GW's oldest edition of any of their current games.

Necromunda is (a bit) older. And I wouldn't bet on a new AT edition - I'm actually surprised it's still there and even got new content with the Dark Mechanicum stalkers. Maybe they keep it to lure people into buying their most expensive epic models.

AT and LI I could see as complimenting each other like Killteam and 40K or Warcry and AoS.

They use part of the same model ranges and give a very different flavour and style of game. LI is always going to be very simple for titans because they have to balance into the rest of the armed forces on the table.

Meanwhile AT lets you really go deep on titan mechanics and just focus on that whole style of gameplay.


In general if one game is doing well the other has potential to do well also.

There is appeal overlap, despite them being very different games.

Me? I’ve no Titans in my LI collection. At least, not yet.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There is appeal overlap, despite them being very different games.

Me? I’ve no Titans in my LI collection. At least, not yet.

No Titans? I must've read that wrong...

 Dryaktylus wrote:


Necromunda is (a bit) older. And I wouldn't bet on a new AT edition - I'm actually surprised it's still there and even got new content with the Dark Mechanicum stalkers. Maybe they keep it to lure people into buying their most expensive epic models.

Necromunda has at least grown with revised books and new phases such as Ash Wastes and Hive Secundus, but you are correct. I think it was 2017 when it was released?

As for AT I'm giving GW the benefit of the doubt, for now. I wasn't expecting AT to have lasted this long and yet here we are. I didn't expect the Dark-Mech models to get AT rules and yet they got them.

The only game that seems to be due for a new edition in 2025 is Warcry, as it's so far followed the 3-year cycle of 40K, AOS and Kill Team. It would be a ideal quiet year to attend to the smaller games like AT and Blood Bowl, possibly introduce a new TOW spin off.

Only thing I want for AT is a thick terminal for Dire Wolf. Especially since you only get 1 paper terminal in a box of 2 models, and the cat knocked paint water over mine. Apart from that it's fine if it just remains on sale with no new stuff.

Thick terminal for the Warmaster as well

 Lathe Biosas wrote:
I just hope the Titans and Knights of Ryza finally get transfers: Legio Crucius (The Warmongers) and Knight House Sidus.

I'd be happy already if they finally bring back the existing transfers. The only ones available this whole time have been the Mortis ones, I've been waiting for Gryphonicus since before Legions Imperialis was even revealed

 Dryaktylus wrote:
The only game that seems to be due for a new edition in 2025 is Warcry, as it's so far followed the 3-year cycle of 40K, AOS and Kill Team. It would be a ideal quiet year to attend to the smaller games like AT and Blood Bowl, possibly introduce a new TOW spin off.

Horus Heresy 2.5 or 3.0 is rumored to be the mid-year edition release. The Horus Heresy and Legions Imperialis releases have recently been close to each other for many kits. I don't think it's a coincidence that we haven't seen super heavy tanks for marines and now some resin tanks (Glaive, Falchion) for Heresy are no longer for sale. GW has said they will continue to fill out the current ranges this year, an expansion or two is realistic, but I don't think we'll see anywhere near the amount of LI releases as we did in 2024.

As for a personal wish list, more infantry options, legion specific units, and Ordinatus would be great to diversify the game more.

 Lathe Biosas wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There is appeal overlap, despite them being very different games.

Me? I’ve no Titans in my LI collection. At least, not yet.

No Titans? I must've read that wrong...

Aye, there's something wrong here!

I prefer a relatively purist approach.

That being said, the recent Detachments which allow Mechanicum auxiliaries as part of my Legion are challenging that.

Surely the purist approach is ALL titans. Preferably Warlords.

SamusDrake wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:


Necromunda is (a bit) older. And I wouldn't bet on a new AT edition - I'm actually surprised it's still there and even got new content with the Dark Mechanicum stalkers. Maybe they keep it to lure people into buying their most expensive epic models.

Necromunda has at least grown with revised books and new phases such as Ash Wastes and Hive Secundus, but you are correct. I think it was 2017 when it was released?

As for AT I'm giving GW the benefit of the doubt, for now. I wasn't expecting AT to have lasted this long and yet here we are. I didn't expect the Dark-Mech models to get AT rules and yet they got them.

The only game that seems to be due for a new edition in 2025 is Warcry, as it's so far followed the 3-year cycle of 40K, AOS and Kill Team. It would be a ideal quiet year to attend to the smaller games like AT and Blood Bowl, possibly introduce a new TOW spin off.

AT and Warcry are my fave GW games right now, so I'm in some limbo. A new WC edition would make some sense with a corresponding move to Aqshy. But who knows there. I think it's a great game with a very inexpensive buy-in, but it seems overshadowed by Kill Team and just too overlooked by gamers than it should be. I dunno.

AT I think will continue getting modest support as LI gets kits that translate to AT. Beyond that is another who knows. The frustrating thing is that there were other Titan chassis in the works, and they were laying fluff groundwork for them in the later AT books. They didn't feel that far away. But I don't know if they'll ever see a release now. LI is moving on to other factions and the team seems more focused on producing endless variant tanks and such.

LI must be doing better in other regions than mine to get the level of support it's received. Over Xmas I stopped by that store dumping its LI stuff for 40% off, and most of the pile that was there on Black Friday was still there.

The biggest downside of LI is its following 30K which is going to be interesting to see what they do because unlike 30K you can't just make an endless number of different chapters of marines and dreadnoughts with different shoulderpads.

It really needs to break out and at the very least get some actual chaos models.

I need an Arvus-carrier-Titan, a massive one I guess.

Seriously, I think that Battlefleet and Warmaster (and Mordheim) have much more priority than Titanicus 2.0

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:


Horus Heresy 2.5 or 3.0 is rumored to be the mid-year edition release. The Horus Heresy and Legions Imperialis releases have recently been close to each other for many kits. I don't think it's a coincidence that we haven't seen super heavy tanks for marines and now some resin tanks (Glaive, Falchion) for Heresy are no longer for sale. GW has said they will continue to fill out the current ranges this year, an expansion or two is realistic, but I don't think we'll see anywhere near the amount of LI releases as we did in 2024.

As for a personal wish list, more infantry options, legion specific units, and Ordinatus would be great to diversify the game more.

I think Space Hulk might be the summer release, although I'm certainly not ruling out a new boxed game for 30K. I just think the current rumours are based on assumptions that every GW game runs on a 3-year life cycle, and the rumoured boxed set sounds like a marine vs marine wish list that is totally ignoring last year's addition of the Solar Auxiliary plastic range. An all-marine box set made sense previously because marines were the only ones to have plastic kits( they wouldn't do resin or metal these days ), but looking at the boxed game for LI...Marines vs Solar now makes far more sense. There's also plastic Mechanicum and dedicated 30K packaged kits for Knights as well, for a bit of support flavour and even more box-splitting...

Saying that, I'd throw flowers and confetti if there is a new edition of 30K this year. I was disappointed that the Dominus Knight was excluded from the Liber Mechanicum, and hopefully it will get reintroduced if they intend to release a new kit with 30K packaging and transfers. Maybe they just couldn't do it for the current edition due to the plastic Cerastus releases...so here's raising my chalice to the thought.

The Dominus-class Knights not showing up in HH (in either scale) is really weird. There's nothing explicit in the background prohibiting them from showing up, is there?

Schrödingers Primarch wrote:
... GW has said they will continue to fill out the current ranges this year, an expansion or two is realistic, but I don't think we'll see anywhere near the amount of LI releases as we did in 2024.

As for a personal wish list, more infantry options, legion specific units, and Ordinatus would be great to diversify the game more.

I’d wager that’s probably not far from the truth. Range fill out and a switch from resin to plastic. The Mechanicum knights are already showing as sold out or, in the case of the Magaera, vanished. Maybe even see a new reaver and/or warlord weapon sprue with the resin weapons making the switch. Add in things like the ordinatus and a few thinks like the big stuff that won’t be plasticated in 30k likes the stormbird or mastodon with a few weapon variant predators, etc

 Dysartes wrote:
The Dominus-class Knights not showing up in HH (in either scale) is really weird. There's nothing explicit in the background prohibiting them from showing up, is there?

There's nothing I can find anywhere that even remotely says that the Dominus-class knights are newer than the HH.

It just seems odd.

 Dysartes wrote:
The Dominus-class Knights not showing up in HH (in either scale) is really weird. There's nothing explicit in the background prohibiting them from showing up, is there?

I'm guessing that it's something to do with only being able to offer so many 30K packaged Knights, for this edition. Although the Questoris and Armigers are just 40K sprues, I think the included transfer sheets are at least different. So technically this edition seen the release of five plastic Knight kits; Armigers, Questoris and the three Cerastus variants. Probably more if they introduce plastic Mechanicum Knight kits.

I believe the absence of Dominus stuff probably stems from the same source as the lack of crossover between TOW/AOS kits etc. Cerastus Knights being units in the 40k knight codex (as opposed to a download from Warcom) and Dominus knights getting HH/LI rules probably go hand in hand.

Same reason why a number of codex flyers failed to appear in AI I reckon.

I suspect it's more of an design / aesthetic choice. FW/HH units and their variants tend to be fairly focused are rarely have more than 2-3 weapon systems. FW Knights like the Cerastus or Styrix continue the original design of two main arm weapons and a small supporting gun.

Meanwhile Dominus knights have the same 'rolled around in a bits box' appearance as many Primaris vehicles, with weapon hardpoints nailed to every available surface like an Ork war machine.

Armiger knights were originally introduced to 40k from around the same period as Dominus, but only the former was developed for the HH setting. That's because Armigers are consistent with the rest of the Knight range.

 Dysartes wrote:
The Dominus-class Knights not showing up in HH (in either scale) is really weird. There's nothing explicit in the background prohibiting them from showing up, is there?

I just assumed it was because the HH\LI team had some taste and did not want that ugly thing anywhere near their game. As mentioned above, it does also suffer from the guns stuck on every available surface issue!

I'm glad that GW covering modern 40k models in glue and rolling them around in a box of guns is becoming recognized as an issue.

 Overread wrote:
AT and LI I could see as complimenting each other like Killteam and 40K or Warcry and AoS.

They use part of the same model ranges and give a very different flavour and style of game. LI is always going to be very simple for titans because they have to balance into the rest of the armed forces on the table.

Meanwhile AT lets you really go deep on titan mechanics and just focus on that whole style of gameplay.


In general if one game is doing well the other has potential to do well also.

Poor Aeronautica. Almost forgotton. Even GW's store doesn't have a listing for it even though it's still for sale:

https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/other-games/aeronautica-imperialis

AN's problem is it has filthy Xenos in it which the new generation of LI and AT can't/don't use


That said AI and AT are buried on menu within menu options on the site as well so you have to know they are there to go looking for them (apparently having two lines of products on the top bar is beyond the GW website to support)

Time to get this thread back on track.

So in terms of the fyootcha?

With last weekend’s pre-orders, we’re again all shiny and up to date in terms of what we know was coming. And I for one appreciated the Mechanicum Mixer detachments.

The next preview show however shows no sign of a LI reveal, so we’re currently flying blind, other than the “hidden in plain sight” Mechanicum tanks seen in a couple of promo pics.

I’m now left wondering what our next treat might be?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So in terms of the fyootcha?

With last weekend’s pre-orders, we’re again all shiny and up to date in terms of what we know was coming. And I for one appreciated the Mechanicum Mixer detachments.

The next preview show however shows no sign of a LI reveal, so we’re currently flying blind, other than the “hidden in plain sight” Mechanicum tanks seen in a couple of promo pics.

I’m now left wondering what our next treat might be?

There are still the accidentally previewed Krios tanks aren't there?

edit - Which on reading your post again, I see you quite clearly mentioned, but which I completely failed to notice!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So in terms of the fyootcha?

With last weekend’s pre-orders, we’re again all shiny and up to date in terms of what we know was coming. And I for one appreciated the Mechanicum Mixer detachments.

The next preview show however shows no sign of a LI reveal, so we’re currently flying blind, other than the “hidden in plain sight” Mechanicum tanks seen in a couple of promo pics.

I’m now left wondering what our next treat might be?

Well in order of likelihood...

As you say we know that two, possibly three new kits are coming for the Mechanicum vehicles. Those can easily be formally unveiled via Heresy Thursday and are enough to form a typical 3-box release wave together without needing to be attached a new book.

Similarly they could also decide to move some of the existing resin Knights into plastic and be released fairly quickly. Again those wouldn't require an associated book release, so wouldn't need the same fanfare as a preview stream.

I think for actual brand new content we may be waiting until Adepticon to see supplement #4 and what new toys it brings.

So late March? Sounds about right.

Who knows, might even visit Adepticon meself, just for giggles.

Would expect any new Plastic Knights with a Molech Themed Book....

RazorEdge wrote:
Would expect any new Plastic Knights with a Molech Themed Book....

Would love that to be the next book, hopefully with more artwork than featured in Doom of Molech and something special on the beast hunting side.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
So late March? Sounds about right.

Who knows, might even visit Adepticon meself, just for giggles.

I didn't do so good last time I played there... ever wanted to know what it feels like to come in dead last at a tourney?

So we won't see any super heavies in LI this year (glaive or fellblade)? I though more tanks was the moto of 2025 or that was for HH?