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Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 14:58:17


Post by: beast_gts


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Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted!

The Indomitus launch box hit shelves all across the world over the weekend, with excited hobbyists everywhere heading down to their nearest Warhammer store to get their hands on a copy. Yet even in the aftermath of all this excitement, we’ve got more news on what the future holds for the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. After all, Indomitus was a celebratory boxed set primarily aimed at veteran Warhammer hobbyists, but we certainly haven’t forgotten about all you newcomers to the grim darkness of the far future… behold our glorious new range of starter sets!


Warhammer 40,000 – Recruit Edition
If you’re looking to dip your toe into Warhammer 40,000 for the very first time and learn (or teach!) the basics of the game, the Recruit Edition is for you.



The set includes a handful of miniatures, dice, range rulers, a mat, and a Recruit Manual featuring each unit’s datasheet and guidance to help you learn the basics of the game. It’s an excellent option for younger hobbyists.

Warhammer 40,000 – Elite Edition
The next step up is the Elite Edition, which features a larger selection of units, including the awesome new Necron Overlord and Primaris Captain miniatures!



The Elite Edition is a fantastic option if you’re looking to begin or broaden your collection of Necrons and Space Marines while using the Elite Manual included in the set to learn the game at your own pace.

Warhammer 40,000 – Command Edition
The Command Edition is simply the best way to get started with Warhammer 40,000! Not only does it include all of the amazing models in the Elite Edition, it also boasts a fantastic fold-out, double-sided gaming board to fight your battles on, and a cracking selection of brand-new battlefield terrain. In short, it’s got everything you need to kickstart your Warhammer 40,000 journey with gusto and verve!



The set’s Command Manual features a narrative-driven set of six missions aimed at teaching you key aspects of the game. Once you’ve mastered these principles, a 184-page rulebook will provide you with everything you need to take your next steps towards becoming a hardened veteran of Warhammer 40,000 battlefields!

It’s also worth bearing in mind that any of the three new starter sets are also great options for established collectors too, especially if you’re looking to supplement your existing armies or to top up your Indomitus set with a few additional units!

A Word on Bladeguard Veterans
You may have noticed that none of the new starter sets include the mighty Bladeguard Veterans from the Indomitus boxed set. Well, there’s a reason for that – have you seen these guys?



These glorious warriors will soon be available in a separate, multipart kit all their own. If you’re chomping at the bit to add a unit or two into your army, you won’t have long to wait!

Indomitus – Made to Order



It’s been a wild ride, but the Indomitus journey is coming to an end. With the new starter sets on their way soon, Indomitus can officially pass the torch to its successors. That being the case, the Made to Order window is about to close. In fact, you have until 8am BST tomorrow (Tuesday the 28th of July) to order your copy before we stop making them for good. If you want to take advantage of your last chance to order our best-ever Warhammer 40,000 boxed set, now’s the time – head online and order yours today!

So Recruit Edition is:
Primaris Lieutenant
5x Assault Intercessors
Royal Warden
10x Necron Warriors
3x Canoptek Scarab Swarms

Elite Edition adds:
Overlord
3x Skorpekh Destroyers
Primaris Captain
3x Outriders

And the Command Edition adds terrain.

EDIT: The Elite & Command Editions might replace the Primaris Lieutenant & Royal Warden with the Overlord & Primaris Captain, rather than including them as well.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 15:02:37


Post by: GaroRobe


I was hoping they'd do something like this, since they did the same thing for Dark Imperium. Wonder if they'll release any units from the box as cheaper snapfit alternatives.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 15:11:12


Post by: Sgt_Smudge


Unpopular opinion - I prefer the move towards having more terrain instead of having more units. Much more appropriate for a "starter" set to have terrain in.

I also like how they do seem a little smaller than the 8th ones - so long as the prices fit with that too. A leader and troops is better than two half-squads of troops, so that's a nice plus over something like First Strike.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 15:15:22


Post by: beast_gts


I'm wondering if they're going to keep First Strike and Know No Fear around, and what the prices are going to be - there's a lot in the Recruit Edition for it to be a £25 box.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 15:32:44


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Unpopular opinion - I prefer the move towards having more terrain instead of having more units. Much more appropriate for a "starter" set to have terrain in.

I also like how they do seem a little smaller than the 8th ones - so long as the prices fit with that too. A leader and troops is better than two half-squads of troops, so that's a nice plus over something like First Strike.


I’d agree with this. Adding in decent looking plastic terrain is a superior starter set.

And the three sizes of course appeal to different pockets. Let’s not kid ourselves here. Kids are the target here. For the parent concerned it’s just a passing fad? Go with the recruit. You get the goodies, and it’ll likely be comparatively cheap. So if it is just a passing fad, you’re not too far out of pocket. And if it’s a proper sticker of a hobby? Enough to build from.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 15:37:52


Post by: Dudeface


beast_gts wrote:
I'm wondering if they're going to keep First Strike and Know No Fear around, and what the prices are going to be - there's a lot in the Recruit Edition for it to be a £25 box.


As a guess they'll sit at £40, £60, £100 maybe.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 15:39:24


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I suspect £40, £60, £80 myself.

Just a hunch!


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 15:41:01


Post by: H.B.M.C.


 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Unpopular opinion - I prefer the move towards having more terrain instead of having more units.
I wouldn't consider that unpolular. Starter Sets should have terrain. 2nd, 3rd and 4th all did. 5th, 6th/7th and 8th all dropped the ball here.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 15:45:53


Post by: hotsauceman1


Idk,I would prefer more models. Terrain around here is handled by the stores so I would like more models to beef up collection


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 15:50:29


Post by: Sotahullu


Am I only one that finds space marine side bit small?



Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 15:53:33


Post by: Overread


 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Idk,I would prefer more models. Terrain around here is handled by the stores so I would like more models to beef up collection


True but not everyone plays in store. Plus it emcourages people to get their own. Win win really as fw encouragesvterrain sales and morenewer gamers get used to getting and using more terrain that isnt just a few random boxes


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 15:55:54


Post by: PurpleEcho


The problem GW are going to have is the Command Edition will be directly compared to the Indomitus box. If the price is close to that of the Indomitus box it's going to look like a much poorer deal.



Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 15:56:39


Post by: beast_gts


Sotahullu wrote:
Am I only one that finds space marine side bit small?


Perhaps, but they're balanced on PL (if you exclude the Scarabs).


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 PurpleEcho wrote:
The problem GW are going to have is the Command Edition will be directly compared to the Indomitus box. If the price is close to that of the Indomitus box it's going to look like a much poorer deal.

The Indomitus box goes off-sale tomorrow, and I'd be surprised if the Command Edition is more that £100 (I'm hoping £70-£80).


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I suspect £40, £60, £80 myself.


I'm hoping £70-£80 for the Command Edition, but the newer (rubbish!) Kill Team Starter is £95 for less models & more terrain.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 16:11:10


Post by: changemod


Sotahullu wrote:
Am I only one that finds space marine side bit small?



It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Yeah, this is kinda embarrassing on that front.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 16:17:28


Post by: SamusDrake


Thing to remember is that the Indomitus set did not come with any scenery, so I'd expect about...£100 to £110 for the Command edition. LOL, if the Command edition does turn out to be £80 then definitely count me in! Not a fan of the marine bikes( they always looked silly! ) but would not argue with such value...

Knowing GW's recent price increases, probably £35 for the Recruit set and £60 for the Elite set. At the very least I'm having the recruit edition for Kill Team!


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 16:31:36


Post by: Platuan4th


changemod wrote:
Sotahullu wrote:
Am I only one that finds space marine side bit small?



It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Yeah, this is kinda embarrassing on that front.


Far away pics fail to sell how large those bikes(taking up most of a 95mm base) actually are.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 16:37:07


Post by: tneva82


Sotahullu wrote:
Am I only one that finds space marine side bit small?



Make it any bigger and it would be even more lopsided


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 16:37:30


Post by: Dysartes


I like the look of the terrain in the Command Edition - hopefully that gets a standalone release soon after launch.

Interesting that, going by what I can see on the preview pics, the Lieutenant and Royal Warden don't seem to be in the Elite or Command editions, though they are in the Recruit one.

I also find it interesting that the Bladeguard are called out as getting an individual multi-part release, but no word on Eradicators.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 16:41:14


Post by: beast_gts


 Dysartes wrote:
Interesting that, going by what I can see on the preview pics, the Lieutenant and Royal Warden don't seem to be in the Elite or Command editions, though they are in the Recruit one.


Well spotted!


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 16:54:44


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


 Dysartes wrote:


I also find it interesting that the Bladeguard are called out as getting an individual multi-part release, but no word on Eradicators.


No need for 2 HQs given the small amount of units in the box. As others previously guessed it explains why the Overlord/Captain and Warden/LT are joined on the same sprues.

As for the Bladeguard that is just a reaction to the image being unwittingly leaked by GW themselves on Facebook, no such leak with The Eradicators (yet!).


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 17:01:29


Post by: Mr_Rose


beast_gts wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Interesting that, going by what I can see on the preview pics, the Lieutenant and Royal Warden don't seem to be in the Elite or Command editions, though they are in the Recruit one.


Well spotted!

Yeah, they’re reusing the sprues from Indomitus and the Captain/Overlord are on one sprue while the Warden/Lt. are on a separate one. I was wondering why they’d done that… certainly makes picking/packing the sets easier.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 17:16:22


Post by: Bellerophon


These line up largely how I expected. I like the choice of terrain, I think it makes for a more 'complete' starter set, rather than lots of models lining up on planet bowling ball. Overall I think the strategy of Indomitus for us long-timers, and then these sets more obviously aimed at new players is quite a good strategy.

Interesting that the hardback rulebook in the Command Edition is half the number of pages of the main Core book - I suspect that they've chopped out the fluff pages and just presented the rules. If that's the case, that could be quite a handy thing to have, I'm sure it would be more convenient to both carry to a game and actually use when playing rather than the version with a couple of hundred pages of lore and twice the weight.

If the Command Edition is around the £80 mark as mentioned above, I'd be tempted to pick one up - I like the terrain, and a slimmed down rulebook without the fluff (if that's what it is) would be useful. If it's more like £100, that's a harder sell, but I'm not exactly the target market for a starter set anyway.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 17:28:32


Post by: BrookM


In for a recruit edition myself, hopefully it'll be around the same price bracket as First Strike was, which was also an excellent starting point for the new edition and new players, unlike Dark Vengeance, which didn't even bother with scenarios or tutorials.

It's interesting that they've doubled up on the dice and measuring sticks this time around as well.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 17:29:57


Post by: Dysartes


beast_gts wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
Interesting that, going by what I can see on the preview pics, the Lieutenant and Royal Warden don't seem to be in the Elite or Command editions, though they are in the Recruit one.


Well spotted!


Thanks

Command Edition is a possible purchase, depending on the expected price of the terrain on its own - an extra unit of bikes and half-unit of On Foot Assault Marines wouldn't be unwelcome.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 17:32:39


Post by: angel of death 007


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I suspect £40, £60, £80 myself.

Just a hunch!


Sounds like a decent assumption. Then for USA use current exchange rate pounds to USD then add about 30% markup on top.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 17:36:14


Post by: Polonius


Assuming bikes end up being a $60 box... just those and the terrain will make it worthwhile.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 17:51:22


Post by: ScarletRose


Seems like an ok deal, but I'm glad I invested in the Indomitus box instead.

I'll pick up or trade for the multipart bladeguard though, they'll be easier to convert.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 18:23:55


Post by: Hulksmash


Us pricing retail for the items for elite and command sans terrain would be;


Necrons - $125
-10 Warriors & 3 Scarabs - $40 (can't find them on the store since they dumped the old ones)
-3 Destroyers & Plasma Dude - $50
-Character - $35 (They don't add an extra character from recruit, they replace them in the images)

Marines - $125
-5 Intercessors - $30
-3 Outriders - $60
-Captain - $35

So you're looking at about $250 retail in models in those sets. I'd be shocked if you weren't looking at $100-$120 for the elite and and $150-$160 for the one with terrain.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 18:28:48


Post by: tneva82


 Hulksmash wrote:

-10 Warriors & 3 Scarabs - $40 (can't find them on the store since they dumped the old ones)


10 troop infanry are 60$ these days. Remember new SKU's get price hike. They won't be same price as old warriors.-


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 18:43:28


Post by: GoatboyBeta


Hmm, so what's going to happen with the big combo sprue's from Indomitus?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 18:49:17


Post by: changemod


 Platuan4th wrote:
changemod wrote:
Sotahullu wrote:
Am I only one that finds space marine side bit small?



It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Yeah, this is kinda embarrassing on that front.


Far away pics fail to sell how large those bikes(taking up most of a 95mm base) actually are.


That’s...

Large bikes hardly qualify for the “Big robot or monster” factor that plays an important role in hooking the kids. Especially in demo games.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 18:58:14


Post by: Nevelon


GoatboyBeta wrote:
Hmm, so what's going to happen with the big combo sprue's from Indomitus?


My money is on a new SC box like they did with shadow spear.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 19:11:33


Post by: Hulksmash


tneva82 wrote:
 Hulksmash wrote:

-10 Warriors & 3 Scarabs - $40 (can't find them on the store since they dumped the old ones)


10 troop infanry are 60$ these days. Remember new SKU's get price hike. They won't be same price as old warriors.-


They just bumped the old warriors and if we get a non-easy to build unit maybe but it's an easy to build unit so I played if off that amount. Granted it could be higher. Getting kinda persnickety about minutia though.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 19:18:48


Post by: Kanluwen


Do we really need a non-easy build unit of Necron Warriors?

It's got both weapon options on the frame right there. The frames should just get doubled up for any potential box release.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 19:19:47


Post by: GaroRobe


changemod wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
changemod wrote:
Sotahullu wrote:
Am I only one that finds space marine side bit small?



It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Yeah, this is kinda embarrassing on that front.


Far away pics fail to sell how large those bikes(taking up most of a 95mm base) actually are.


That’s...

Large bikes hardly qualify for the “Big robot or monster” factor that plays an important role in hooking the kids. Especially in demo games.


And? This is exactly what they did with the Dark Imperium mini starter sets. The only "big robot/monster" was the blightdrone (which is odd that they didn't add the necron tripod on the side of the necrons). The biggest thing on the Imperium side was the primaris jump troop guys. The bikes are a lot more imposing than those models. They also didn't bother including actual terrain, just the cardboard terrain that the lower tier starter sets comes with. The bikes are the "big" thing on the primaris side of Indomitus and the starter set uses those models exclusively, so they can't really add somthing like a dreadnought or a buggy (Although, that would have been a good idea.)


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 19:21:38


Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured


It's the one disadvantage of the Primeris being so good and having 2W,

to balance the forces (even with the marine bias starters normally have) you need far fewer of them


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 19:22:37


Post by: Kanluwen


 Nevelon wrote:
GoatboyBeta wrote:
Hmm, so what's going to happen with the big combo sprue's from Indomitus?


My money is on a new SC box like they did with shadow spear.

Nah. There's only one 'combined' sprue for each faction...Shadowspear worked because it had a few mixed sprues.
Necrons get the Plasmancer, Cryptothralls(who can mix and match parts in case you didn't know!), Skorpekh Destroyer Lord, and Reanimator all on one sprue.
Marines get the Judiciar, Bladeguard Veterans, Bladeguard Ancient, Eliminators, and Chaplain all as one sprue.

It's possible they release those frames as 'reinforcement boxes' ala the GSC Hivecoven and Deathwatch Killteam Cassius sets.


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 GaroRobe wrote:

And? This is exactly what they did with the Dark Imperium mini starter sets. The only "big robot/monster" was the blightdrone (which is odd that they didn't add the necron tripod on the side of the necrons). The biggest thing on the Imperium side was the primaris jump troop guys. The bikes are a lot more imposing than those models. They also didn't bother including actual terrain, just the cardboard terrain that the lower tier starter sets comes with. The bikes are the "big" thing on the primaris side of Indomitus and the starter set uses those models exclusively, so they can't really add somthing like a dreadnought or a buggy (Although, that would have been a good idea.)

The Reanimator and Skorpekh Lord are on a shared sprue with Plasmancer and Cryptothralls.

The Elite and Command editions do include the Skorpekh Destroyers and Plasmacyte frame though.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 20:17:58


Post by: Dysartes


 Kanluwen wrote:
Marines get the Judiciar, Bladeguard Veterans, Bladeguard Ancient, Eliminators, and Chaplain all as one sprue.


Eradicators, Kan, not Eliminators - the Primaris Naming Disorder strikes again


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 20:19:58


Post by: hotsauceman1


Those might be sold and touted as "Expansions" to the started set, with a "Go here next" Kinda thing.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 20:31:23


Post by: Kanluwen


 Dysartes wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Marines get the Judiciar, Bladeguard Veterans, Bladeguard Ancient, Eliminators, and Chaplain all as one sprue.


Eradicators, Kan, not Eliminators - the Primaris Naming Disorder strikes again

Thanks Dysartes...I don't know why, those guys feel more Eliminatory than Eradicatory.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 20:44:11


Post by: SamusDrake


 Bellerophon wrote:

Interesting that the hardback rulebook in the Command Edition is half the number of pages of the main Core book - I suspect that they've chopped out the fluff pages and just presented the rules. If that's the case, that could be quite a handy thing to have, I'm sure it would be more convenient to both carry to a game and actually use when playing rather than the version with a couple of hundred pages of lore and twice the weight.



That is very interesting and overlooked it. Hope its available separately.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 20:57:03


Post by: MaxT


ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:


I also find it interesting that the Bladeguard are called out as getting an individual multi-part release, but no word on Eradicators.


No need for 2 HQs given the small amount of units in the box. As others previously guessed it explains why the Overlord/Captain and Warden/LT are joined on the same sprues.


It also means that someone who bought the recruit edition to give the game a try can then progress with an elite or command edition and not double up characters. Or 2 friends who split 1 recruit & 1 elite box. It’s a clever plan.


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 PurpleEcho wrote:
The problem GW are going to have is the Command Edition will be directly compared to the Indomitus box. If the price is close to that of the Indomitus box it's going to look like a much poorer deal.



It will for the next few weeks, but it’ll fade quickly enough once indomitus is firmly in the rear view mirror.

I think these will be aggressively priced too tho.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 21:02:20


Post by: GaroRobe


The Bladeguard also had that same picture leaked earlier. GW just decided today would be a good day to release an official image. I won't be surprised if they next reveal the captain with heavy bolter or the new form of intercessors.

Actually, what if the heavy bolter guys and Eradicators are the same set? They have the same armor, and just giving them a different weapon could save them from releasing two nearly identical kits.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 21:08:23


Post by: Crimson


 GaroRobe wrote:
The Bladeguard also had that same picture leaked earlier. GW just decided today would be a good day to release an official image. I won't be surprised if they next reveal the captain with heavy bolter or the new form of intercessors.

Actually, what if the heavy bolter guys and Eradicators are the same set? They have the same armor, and just giving them a different weapon could save them from releasing two nearly identical kits.

Would make sense. Then again, Hellblasters and Intercessors are different kits.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 21:12:15


Post by: Platuan4th


 Crimson wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
The Bladeguard also had that same picture leaked earlier. GW just decided today would be a good day to release an official image. I won't be surprised if they next reveal the captain with heavy bolter or the new form of intercessors.

Actually, what if the heavy bolter guys and Eradicators are the same set? They have the same armor, and just giving them a different weapon could save them from releasing two nearly identical kits.

Would make sense. Then again, Hellblasters and Intercessors are different kits.


The Hellblasters have additional armor plates the Intercessors don't have. It's a minor difference, but it's there.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 21:14:47


Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


changemod wrote:
It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Weren't people clamoring about how "marines should feel more elite" and stuff? Well now we have action movie marines, and the "cool thing impulse buy factor" is that the marine are SO COOL that just 9 of them are enough to face so many necrons.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 21:43:39


Post by: Irbis


 Crimson wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
The Bladeguard also had that same picture leaked earlier. GW just decided today would be a good day to release an official image. I won't be surprised if they next reveal the captain with heavy bolter or the new form of intercessors.

Actually, what if the heavy bolter guys and Eradicators are the same set? They have the same armor, and just giving them a different weapon could save them from releasing two nearly identical kits.

Would make sense.

Not really. SM, CSM, and Sisters have their troops separate from 'devastator' boxes for a reason despite them wearing the same armour (though that technically is no longer the case with all three having slightly heavier variants). You don't mix troop box with an elite one, if only to reduce massive sprue waste. I'd guess Eradicators have heavy flamer or gatling option while HI are simpler, less armoured guys with multiple types of rifles making for cheaper infantry box.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 21:52:49


Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


 Irbis wrote:
You don't mix troop box with an elite one, if only to reduce massive sprue waste.

Sister's troop choice are the same kit as their fast attack choice. Sister's jump pack elite choice are the same kit as their jump pack fast attack choice.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 22:03:26


Post by: Crimson


 Platuan4th wrote:

The Hellblasters have additional armor plates the Intercessors don't have. It's a minor difference, but it's there.

Yes, though it is a bit weird as that only applies to the multipart kits. Some of the Dark Imperium Hellbalsers and intercessors have these plates while some don't. I mixed and matched my Hellblaster and Intercessor bits while building the multiparts to maintain similar variety.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 22:07:38


Post by: MajorWesJanson


 Kanluwen wrote:
Do we really need a non-easy build unit of Necron Warriors?

It's got both weapon options on the frame right there. The frames should just get doubled up for any potential box release.


Agreed. Unless warriors get a third weapon option, the new sprue is just fine for general release, esp if it keeps the price down.

I wonder if the new start collecting necrons box will be the contents of indomitus minus the 2 characters that seem to be starter exclusive


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 22:16:22


Post by: JWBS


 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Do we really need a non-easy build unit of Necron Warriors?

It's got both weapon options on the frame right there. The frames should just get doubled up for any potential box release.


Agreed. Unless warriors get a third weapon option, the new sprue is just fine for general release, esp if it keeps the price down.

I wonder if the new start collecting necrons box will be the contents of indomitus minus the 2 characters that seem to be starter exclusive

SC box would be 10 warriors, the three tripod heavy infantry, one of the larger constructs, plus one character. Maybe some scarabs too.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 22:18:39


Post by: Platuan4th


JWBS wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Do we really need a non-easy build unit of Necron Warriors?

It's got both weapon options on the frame right there. The frames should just get doubled up for any potential box release.


Agreed. Unless warriors get a third weapon option, the new sprue is just fine for general release, esp if it keeps the price down.

I wonder if the new start collecting necrons box will be the contents of indomitus minus the 2 characters that seem to be starter exclusive

SC box would be 10 warriors, the three tripod heavy infantry, one of the larger constructs, plus one character. Maybe some scarabs too.


So just the Necron half of the middle Starter plus a Reanimator?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 22:21:41


Post by: JWBS


 Platuan4th wrote:
JWBS wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Do we really need a non-easy build unit of Necron Warriors?

It's got both weapon options on the frame right there. The frames should just get doubled up for any potential box release.


Agreed. Unless warriors get a third weapon option, the new sprue is just fine for general release, esp if it keeps the price down.

I wonder if the new start collecting necrons box will be the contents of indomitus minus the 2 characters that seem to be starter exclusive

SC box would be 10 warriors, the three tripod heavy infantry, one of the larger constructs, plus one character. Maybe some scarabs too.


So just the Necron half of the middle Starter plus a Reanimator?

Yeah that would be my guess. Compares well with GSC for example (10 Neophytes, 5 Hybrids, a Ridgerunner, and an Iconward).


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 22:56:11


Post by: MajorWesJanson


JWBS wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
JWBS wrote:
 MajorWesJanson wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Do we really need a non-easy build unit of Necron Warriors?

It's got both weapon options on the frame right there. The frames should just get doubled up for any potential box release.


Agreed. Unless warriors get a third weapon option, the new sprue is just fine for general release, esp if it keeps the price down.

I wonder if the new start collecting necrons box will be the contents of indomitus minus the 2 characters that seem to be starter exclusive

SC box would be 10 warriors, the three tripod heavy infantry, one of the larger constructs, plus one character. Maybe some scarabs too.


So just the Necron half of the middle Starter plus a Reanimator?

Yeah that would be my guess. Compares well with GSC for example (10 Neophytes, 5 Hybrids, a Ridgerunner, and an Iconward).


It would have to be a reanimator sprue, which means destroyer lord, plasmancer and minions. Likely not the overlord or warden though since those are attached to marine characters.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 23:39:52


Post by: Shrapnelsmile


Do we know if the third box (the Commander level) has full rules minus extra fluff, or if one would have to still buy the hardcover book later?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 23:42:34


Post by: Kanluwen


It's 168 pages compared to the Core Book's 368.

We don't know what the difference is. It's probably the fluff section and possibly the Matched Play Mission stuff.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/27 23:51:08


Post by: ERJAK


 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
 Irbis wrote:
You don't mix troop box with an elite one, if only to reduce massive sprue waste.

Sister's troop choice are the same kit as their fast attack choice. Sister's jump pack elite choice are the same kit as their jump pack fast attack choice.


The troop kit is also an elite kit. And a heavy support kit depending on how many of them you have and if you want multimeltas or not.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 00:10:04


Post by: McMagnus Mindbullets


Personally, I really like the look of the boxes. Don't know whether I'll bother to pick any up but they look really great for true beginners- not giving a near full army to someone who's just started, instead letting it build up.

Plus, I really like the inclusion of terrain. I kind of hope that we see a move towards more army terrain this edition- hopefully a little more useful than the mekboy workshop though.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 01:13:40


Post by: changemod


 GaroRobe wrote:
changemod wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
changemod wrote:
Sotahullu wrote:
Am I only one that finds space marine side bit small?



It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Yeah, this is kinda embarrassing on that front.


Far away pics fail to sell how large those bikes(taking up most of a 95mm base) actually are.


That’s...

Large bikes hardly qualify for the “Big robot or monster” factor that plays an important role in hooking the kids. Especially in demo games.


And? This is exactly what they did with the Dark Imperium mini starter sets. The only "big robot/monster" was the blightdrone (which is odd that they didn't add the necron tripod on the side of the necrons). The biggest thing on the Imperium side was the primaris jump troop guys. The bikes are a lot more imposing than those models. They also didn't bother including actual terrain, just the cardboard terrain that the lower tier starter sets comes with. The bikes are the "big" thing on the primaris side of Indomitus and the starter set uses those models exclusively, so they can't really add somthing like a dreadnought or a buggy (Although, that would have been a good idea.)


Oh, my post must have gotten eaten hours ago.

Anyhow yes, the blight drone was the big robot/monster for dark imperium. Before that it was a helbrute, then a dread.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 01:33:57


Post by: Shooter


The smaller two are pretty great, but compared to DI or even shadowspear the biggest one is pretty poor.

The terrain is cool, but the game at 16 PL plays completely differently to how it does at 40PL (DI) and its so easy to just use stuff around the house as terrain that I feel for people starting out more models is far, far more important. Tactically you are so limited with what's in that box. This is an intro to the rules, but not the 'game' as it is really played, if that makes sense.

They should have at least put enough in that you could start a 25PL crusade army. A second assault intercessors sprue and both characters would have been so much better


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 04:00:55


Post by: tneva82


 Irbis wrote:
 Crimson wrote:
 GaroRobe wrote:
The Bladeguard also had that same picture leaked earlier. GW just decided today would be a good day to release an official image. I won't be surprised if they next reveal the captain with heavy bolter or the new form of intercessors.

Actually, what if the heavy bolter guys and Eradicators are the same set? They have the same armor, and just giving them a different weapon could save them from releasing two nearly identical kits.

Would make sense.

Not really. SM, CSM, and Sisters have their troops separate from 'devastator' boxes for a reason despite them wearing the same armour (though that technically is no longer the case with all three having slightly heavier variants). You don't mix troop box with an elite one, if only to reduce massive sprue waste. I'd guess Eradicators have heavy flamer or gatling option while HI are simpler, less armoured guys with multiple types of rifles making for cheaper infantry box.


Funny you mention sisters and claim you don't mix troop and elite since that's literally what sisters did. And fast attack too.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 06:06:01


Post by: hotsauceman1


Ain't Grey Knights all like one box to make Troops, elites, FA and HS?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 06:14:30


Post by: Albertorius


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Marines get the Judiciar, Bladeguard Veterans, Bladeguard Ancient, Eliminators, and Chaplain all as one sprue.


Eradicators, Kan, not Eliminators - the Primaris Naming Disorder strikes again

Thanks Dysartes...I don't know why, those guys feel more Eliminatory than Eradicatory.

I'm not sure how it is in english, but in spanish those are synonyms


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 06:17:40


Post by: tneva82


 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ain't Grey Knights all like one box to make Troops, elites, FA and HS?


Pretty much yes. Apart from characters you get all squads of respective armour type(PA or terminator) in respective boxes


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 06:19:55


Post by: Mr_Rose


 Albertorius wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Marines get the Judiciar, Bladeguard Veterans, Bladeguard Ancient, Eliminators, and Chaplain all as one sprue.


Eradicators, Kan, not Eliminators - the Primaris Naming Disorder strikes again

Thanks Dysartes...I don't know why, those guys feel more Eliminatory than Eradicatory.

I'm not sure how it is in english, but in spanish those are synonyms

Oh they are in English too, more or less, but that may be the joke.

Anyway, paint them black with silver dots and call them exterminators.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 07:00:57


Post by: Sunny Side Up


 Mr_Rose wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Dysartes wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
Marines get the Judiciar, Bladeguard Veterans, Bladeguard Ancient, Eliminators, and Chaplain all as one sprue.


Eradicators, Kan, not Eliminators - the Primaris Naming Disorder strikes again

Thanks Dysartes...I don't know why, those guys feel more Eliminatory than Eradicatory.

I'm not sure how it is in english, but in spanish those are synonyms

Oh they are in English too, more or less, but that may be the joke.

Anyway, paint them black with silver dots and call them exterminators.


Given their unit's special rule is called "Total Obliteration", they should probably be Obli ... never mind.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 07:09:18


Post by: Albertorius


So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 07:49:43


Post by: SamusDrake


 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Dark Reapers. Never leave home without them!


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 07:54:27


Post by: Slinky


I'm sure I will pick up one of these starter sets for my boys, which one will depend upon the pricing


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 08:28:58


Post by: Albertorius


SamusDrake wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Dark Reapers. Never leave home without them!

That's... not much.

I can hardly envision a craftworlds army without aspects, but if only dark reapers are worth taking, it seems... really pointless.

I guess I can always play Primaris with Eldar minis


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 08:42:57


Post by: Fayric


 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Its humiliating. Then again, marines dont get linked Fire Prisms.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 08:45:25


Post by: Mr_Rose


 Fayric wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Its humiliating. Then again, marines dont get linked Fire Prisms.

What, the triple predator kill shot thing doesn’t count? Or is that because it’s kinda bad?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 08:52:55


Post by: casvalremdeikun


 Mr_Rose wrote:
 Fayric wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Its humiliating. Then again, marines dont get linked Fire Prisms.

What, the triple predator kill shot thing doesn’t count? Or is that because it’s kinda bad?
What Triple Predator kill shot thing?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 09:14:05


Post by: BrianDavion


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
 Fayric wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Its humiliating. Then again, marines dont get linked Fire Prisms.

What, the triple predator kill shot thing doesn’t count? Or is that because it’s kinda bad?
What Triple Predator kill shot thing?


it was a strat back in the 8.0 dex, since removed because no one took it


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 09:19:18


Post by: Mr_Rose


 casvalremdeikun wrote:
 Mr_Rose wrote:
 Fayric wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Its humiliating. Then again, marines dont get linked Fire Prisms.

What, the triple predator kill shot thing doesn’t count? Or is that because it’s kinda bad?
What Triple Predator kill shot thing?

Oh, sorry, don’t have the latest marine codex but I’m pretty sure they used to have the option of combining three shots to make a more Killy one. Maybe as a stratagem?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 09:21:56


Post by: BrianDavion


 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


a fire dragon is 23 PPM, a eradicator is 40 PPM.

even if we judge by squad sizes fire dragons are cheaper. and it's not like fire dragons don't have some advantages.

they can advance and fire with no penalty, re-roll wound rolls of one (yes marines can have lts do this but then that's another 80 or so points added) they can re-roll hits of 1, (yet again marines can acheive this only if they're willing to babysit what is proably a sucide melta unit with a captain)

I'm not saying eradicators are BAD. but fire dragons are nearly HALF the cost per man of a eradicator squad.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 09:48:13


Post by: tneva82


Nearly half the cost with less than half the durability and half the firepower.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 10:15:34


Post by: Dudeface


tneva82 wrote:
Nearly half the cost with less than half the durability and half the firepower.


Faster, smaller, better transports and needs less support to maximise though. It's the range that sets them apart more than anything. Weirdly if they'd made a 9 wound t5 vehicle with 3 multimeltas that fire twice if all at 1 target, people would probably be telling you it's too fragile.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 11:04:28


Post by: jullevi


I like the new Starter sets and I understand that they were kept secret until now to maximize on Indomitus sales.

The contents are quite clever actually. Start with Recruit and expand with Elite or Command and you get no duplicate characters. Elite and Command include identical set of models which means that Elite is an option for those that do not care about board and terrain. Personally I do and if the price difference between Elite and Command is small enough to make the terrain a good deal then Command is what I am going with. The board looks like 22x30 to me so it will find use in Kill Team.

PS: Is it too much to ask to keep this thread clear of discussion that is not relevant to new Starter Sets?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 12:27:47


Post by: reds8n


Indeed.


Understandable as the diversion may have been i think this eldar tangent is best discussed elsewhere & when.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 12:43:20


Post by: lord_blackfang


When a Fire Dragon dies, you only lose 1 melta shot, not two, so they are obviously better than Eradicators. Exactly like how Grots should cost more because they give up less when they do an Action.

 reds8n wrote:
Indeed.
Understandable as the diversion may have been i think this eldar tangent is best discussed elsewhere & when.

Sorry I had the window open from before your post


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 15:03:58


Post by: Albertorius


BrianDavion wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


a fire dragon is 23 PPM, a eradicator is 40 PPM.

even if we judge by squad sizes fire dragons are cheaper. and it's not like fire dragons don't have some advantages.

they can advance and fire with no penalty, re-roll wound rolls of one (yes marines can have lts do this but then that's another 80 or so points added) they can re-roll hits of 1, (yet again marines can acheive this only if they're willing to babysit what is proably a sucide melta unit with a captain)

I'm not saying eradicators are BAD. but fire dragons are nearly HALF the cost per man of a eradicator squad.

Spoiler:
Only cost I have right now are PL. From what I can see, 5 Fire Dragons are 6 PL, 3 Erradicators are 5 PL.
The 5 FDs have 6 T3/3+ Save Wounds while the 3 Erradicators have 9 T5/3+ save Wounds.
The FDs have 5 12'' fusion guns, the exarch can repeat 1s to hit and all can reroll 1s to wound monsters or vehicles. The Erradicators have 3 24'' fusion guns that they can shoot twice if they all shoot against the same unit (...which being three, they will always do), so they actually shoot 6 shots, one more than the FDs.

As to advance and fire... is a need when you have 12'' range guns. Much, muuuch less so when you have 24'' range ones.

Honestly, I call them way better just for the 24'' but the added resilience makes them a lot tougher too.


EDIT: Whoops, saw the red text. Spoilered.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 15:35:08


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
changemod wrote:
It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Weren't people clamoring about how "marines should feel more elite" and stuff? Well now we have action movie marines, and the "cool thing impulse buy factor" is that the marine are SO COOL that just 9 of them are enough to face so many necrons.


which is hysterical because the Necrons started out as the Super Elite army of T5 2+ save dudes (who turn off your power weapons in melee). Now they're practically a hoard army. Guess Cron Tech has been declining...


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 15:41:44


Post by: Slayer-Fan123


Trust me, Necron players are VERY annoyed with how they've been handled for a while.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 15:47:04


Post by: lord_blackfang


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:


which is hysterical because the Necrons started out as the Super Elite army of T5 2+ save dudes (who turn off your power weapons in melee). Now they're practically a hoard army. Guess Cron Tech has been declining...


Well they have even been officially retconned from having the best FTL in the galaxy to the worst so yea


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 16:03:42


Post by: JWBS


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
changemod wrote:
It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Weren't people clamoring about how "marines should feel more elite" and stuff? Well now we have action movie marines, and the "cool thing impulse buy factor" is that the marine are SO COOL that just 9 of them are enough to face so many necrons.


which is hysterical because the Necrons started out as the Super Elite army of T5 2+ save dudes (who turn off your power weapons in melee). Now they're practically a hoard army. Guess Cron Tech has been declining...

They haven't been hoarding enough tech.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 16:03:48


Post by: SamusDrake


 Albertorius wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


Dark Reapers. Never leave home without them!

That's... not much.

I can hardly envision a craftworlds army without aspects, but if only dark reapers are worth taking, it seems... really pointless.

I guess I can always play Primaris with Eldar minis


Cor'blimey! You're a hard one to please incha!

Well, Striking scorpions are quite the rough customers at close quarters and Dire Avengers are pretty good all rounders too, y'know.


NOTE TO MODS: Sorry, missed the previous note about being off-topic. Awfully sorry about that.




Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 19:15:26


Post by: Dysartes


JWBS wrote:
 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
changemod wrote:
It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Weren't people clamoring about how "marines should feel more elite" and stuff? Well now we have action movie marines, and the "cool thing impulse buy factor" is that the marine are SO COOL that just 9 of them are enough to face so many necrons.


which is hysterical because the Necrons started out as the Super Elite army of T5 2+ save dudes (who turn off your power weapons in melee). Now they're practically a hoard army. Guess Cron Tech has been declining...

They haven't been hoarding enough tech.


You'd think they'd have a suitable doohickey or maguffin somewhere in their horde of hoards.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:Trust me, Necron players are VERY annoyed with how they've been handled for a while.


Very few people do.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 19:20:51


Post by: Overread


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
changemod wrote:
It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Weren't people clamoring about how "marines should feel more elite" and stuff? Well now we have action movie marines, and the "cool thing impulse buy factor" is that the marine are SO COOL that just 9 of them are enough to face so many necrons.


which is hysterical because the Necrons started out as the Super Elite army of T5 2+ save dudes (who turn off your power weapons in melee). Now they're practically a hoard army. Guess Cron Tech has been declining...


In fairness when they first came out they were all metal and only had a handfull of models. Wasn't it 3 or 4 or so poses of warrior. So elite worked functionally wellvfor them back then

Now they have plastic and a lot more sculpts and options. Besides lore wise you can easily say that the more they hafecawoken means thr more battles against them and thus the better thier foes know how to kill them, hence the need for more warriors to awaken


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 19:38:29


Post by: Dysartes


 Overread wrote:
In fairness when they first came out they were all metal and only had a handfull of models. Wasn't it 3 or 4 or so poses of warrior. So elite worked functionally wellvfor them back then


Six Warrior poses, two scarabs, two Immortals, a Lord and a Destroyer, from memory.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 19:45:01


Post by: beast_gts


 Dysartes wrote:
 Overread wrote:
In fairness when they first came out they were all metal and only had a handfull of models. Wasn't it 3 or 4 or so poses of warrior. So elite worked functionally wellvfor them back then


Six Warrior poses, two scarabs, two Immortals, a Lord and a Destroyer, from memory.


Yep -

Spoiler:


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 19:56:01


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


 Dysartes wrote:
 Overread wrote:
In fairness when they first came out they were all metal and only had a handfull of models. Wasn't it 3 or 4 or so poses of warrior. So elite worked functionally wellvfor them back then


Six Warrior poses, two scarabs, two Immortals, a Lord and a Destroyer, from memory.


Worse than that, they didn't even get Immortals till 3rd edition. 4 units, 6 warrior poses.

Retro Reviews:

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/224922.page

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/225100.page


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 20:00:11


Post by: ERJAK


BrianDavion wrote:
 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?


a fire dragon is 23 PPM, a eradicator is 40 PPM.

even if we judge by squad sizes fire dragons are cheaper. and it's not like fire dragons don't have some advantages.

they can advance and fire with no penalty, re-roll wound rolls of one (yes marines can have lts do this but then that's another 80 or so points added) they can re-roll hits of 1, (yet again marines can acheive this only if they're willing to babysit what is proably a sucide melta unit with a captain)

I'm not saying eradicators are BAD. but fire dragons are nearly HALF the cost per man of a eradicator squad.


1. No it isn't it's the CT they'd have anyway.

2. Eradicators are more than twice as good as fire dragons. They have double the shots per model and 3 times the base stats. Price is only relevant if it matches ability, in this case it does not.

Eradicators are a 30pt model shooting a 60pt gun for 40pts.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 20:06:03


Post by: ZenBadger


Is there any idea of when these are going to be available yet? I played a bit of 8th but no-one else I knew was interested. Lockdown has put me in touch with a few people wanting to get back into 40K after years out of the loop but none of us can justify £125 in one drop. However the magically-refilling Recruit set might just get miniatures past the financial scrutineer of the house. I need these now...


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 20:49:32


Post by: SamusDrake


Hopefully, maybe something will be mentioned on Sunday...


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 21:38:16


Post by: ZenBadger


Cheers, my google-fu was not as weak as I thought. I was assuming that there was usually a rough release date by the time the official pics appear.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/28 22:18:47


Post by: SamusDrake


Yeah, its always on Sunday they do a "Coming Soon" highlighting the preorders for the following Saturday. I'm assuming they did Adeptus Titanicus this week to give a break in the 9th edition releases.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/30 09:20:02


Post by: Geifer


I like that the largest set has terrain in it (and a cardboard board, I guess). As mentioned it has its disadvantages if you play at a store that has all the terrain you'll ever need, but having terrain included in the starter box helps impress the importance of board interaction in a tabletop game on new players. That is a good thing in my opinion. You never know, maybe even the game designers were presented with the box and learned how much more fun the game is with terrain.

Will be interesting to see if the cut down rulebook includes the full rules and only drops the background section and model showcase. That would be a good inclusion. I'm on the fence on the big box for now, but a complete rulebook would probably get me to buy it. For models I like the Recruit edition. It has everything I wanted out of Indomitus except for the Captain (which I prefer over the Lieutenant), so I'm probably going to buy that one.

I hope the prices aren't going to be obscene...


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/30 09:39:37


Post by: Overread


Don't forget having your own terrain means you can play outside of the store. Perhaps at home, or starting up a school or uni society etc.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/30 09:51:26


Post by: Tavis75


Personally, I think it's a shame that the command box doesn't include the full rulebook (though I can see that people would appreciate the option to get a smaller, lighter rulebook).

Planning on picking up the rulebook at some point, but if the set had the full one in it I'd almost certainly have gone for that instead, to get the scenery and a few extra models, but seems a bit of a waste to get both (unless the price is REALLY good).

Though guess I'm also not the target market for the set.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/30 10:01:19


Post by: BrianDavion


 Geifer wrote:
I like that the largest set has terrain in it (and a cardboard board, I guess). As mentioned it has its disadvantages if you play at a store that has all the terrain you'll ever need, but having terrain included in the starter box helps impress the importance of board interaction in a tabletop game on new players. That is a good thing in my opinion. You never know, maybe even the game designers were presented with the box and learned how much more fun the game is with terrain.

Will be interesting to see if the cut down rulebook includes the full rules and only drops the background section and model showcase. That would be a good inclusion. I'm on the fence on the big box for now, but a complete rulebook would probably get me to buy it. For models I like the Recruit edition. It has everything I wanted out of Indomitus except for the Captain (which I prefer over the Lieutenant), so I'm probably going to buy that one.

I hope the prices aren't going to be obscene...


I'm gonna take a guess that the starter set'll be 50/100/150.

mostly because dark Imperium's 200 dollar price sticker just seemed too much for people. Only people who already played 40k and where looking to expand their army seemed to buy it. so my guess is GW's trying to make the big box a little cheaper. and hence why they did thespecial launch set for us vets


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/30 10:12:00


Post by: Geifer


I don't know. GW had some crazy price increases last year, but I didn't get the impression that I was the only one thinking about Indomitus being good value in the context of usual GW prices. Having the full rule book and two sizeable forces seems attractive to me, even to new players who may not be accustomed to GW prices.

That said, I certainly hope that the somewhat reduced number of models in these two starters actually leads to more reasonable prices. My local store seemed to have trouble selling starter boxes once the went above the 100€ mark. Before that they could afford to sell them for MSRP, but ever since (and that goes for battle boxes as well) they sold them for decent discounts for the release period. For a store that was historically reluctant to give discounts that's a pretty big step and indicative of how they did not seem to believe they could sell these boxes for the normal price.

Tavis75 wrote:
Personally, I think it's a shame that the command box doesn't include the full rulebook (though I can see that people would appreciate the option to get a smaller, lighter rulebook).

Planning on picking up the rulebook at some point, but if the set had the full one in it I'd almost certainly have gone for that instead, to get the scenery and a few extra models, but seems a bit of a waste to get both (unless the price is REALLY good).

Though guess I'm also not the target market for the set.


I maintain they should just always go the 2nd ed and 7th ed route with rules and background split between different books. That way they get the background into the hands of new players, which is one of the most important assets they have with 40k, and also don't force people to lug around a 300+ page rule book to reference during games. It's the best approach in my opinion. No idea why GW only did that for a small number of editions.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/30 10:48:58


Post by: tneva82


Yeah that would have been good. The new book is awesome but damn it's hard to lug around. Not bad for random games(I just cary CA instead) but when crusade league starts...

Might take copies of relevant pages for those games. That book is bummer to haul around.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/30 11:27:00


Post by: AduroT


tneva82 wrote:
Yeah that would have been good. The new book is awesome but damn it's hard to lug around. Not bad for random games(I just cary CA instead) but when crusade league starts...

Might take copies of relevant pages for those games. That book is bummer to haul around.


That’s why I do digital for all my games anymore. One iPad has every Rulebook for every game I play.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/30 12:51:36


Post by: Gadzilla666


tneva82 wrote:
Yeah that would have been good. The new book is awesome but damn it's hard to lug around. Not bad for random games(I just cary CA instead) but when crusade league starts...

Might take copies of relevant pages for those games. That book is bummer to haul around.

Look at it as a way to get a little extra exercise. Maybe do some curls with it while your loyalists playing opponent is rolling all their hits, full rerolls to hit, wounds, and rerolls to wound. It also doubles as a personal defense weapon if you're mugged while traveling to the flgs, though I'm not sure if that's legal in Finland. Maybe you need a license?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/30 13:17:52


Post by: Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl


 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
which is hysterical because the Necrons started out as the Super Elite army of T5 2+ save dudes (who turn off your power weapons in melee). Now they're practically a hoard army.

That was to be expected when they released the skinny dudes first plastic warriors. That's when they started going horde, and the went further down this way ever since.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/30 14:14:15


Post by: SamusDrake


That new rule book is proper hench and needs a lighter version.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/30 14:14:34


Post by: MaxT


 Overread wrote:
Don't forget having your own terrain means you can play outside of the store. Perhaps at home, or starting up a school or uni society etc.


In these Covid times, encouraging play from home is hardly a bad thing either.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/07/30 15:00:24


Post by: alphaecho


MaxT wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Don't forget having your own terrain means you can play outside of the store. Perhaps at home, or starting up a school or uni society etc.


In these Covid times, encouraging play from home is hardly a bad thing either.



Which is why, for me and my old Luddite wayd, the 2nd Ed box was the best. Very basic but the best. Great figure count, a table full of terrain and a vehicle.

Yes the figures put the mono into monopose and the terrain and Dreadnought were card but I loved that set.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/01 03:08:04


Post by: skrulnik


alphaecho wrote:
MaxT wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Don't forget having your own terrain means you can play outside of the store. Perhaps at home, or starting up a school or uni society etc.


In these Covid times, encouraging play from home is hardly a bad thing either.



Which is why, for me and my old Luddite wayd, the 2nd Ed box was the best. Very basic but the best. Great figure count, a table full of terrain and a vehicle.

Yes the figures put the mono into monopose and the terrain and Dreadnought were card but I loved that set.


Wasn't the model count like 2-10man monopose Marines, 20 monopose Ork Goff Boys, and 40 monopose Gretchin, card Ork Dreadnought, but there was enough card ruins to choke a horse.

That set was great. The scenario book wasn't just "learn this phase" missions, and they told a story.
There was a rules book, a fluff book, and a wargear book, as well as Wargear cards, and the number of each wargear was limited by how many of each card you owned.

The black Codex of armies was awesome!
The only thing it lacked was HQ models.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/01 05:07:07


Post by: alphaecho



Yes, 80 figures. It was also backed up by a tidy little White Dwarf expansion with the cut out card Battle Bunker and scenario that tied into the main box contents.


Plus the control pad for the missile launcher being held in the Marine's other hand was a nice touch that didn't cross over into the plastic/ metal hybrid models.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:02:17


Post by: DaveC


Starter sets preorder next week

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/02/sunday-preview-new-warhammer-40000-starter-sets/

and terrain set - glad they did it on its own might get 2 depending on price.



Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:03:45


Post by: Kanluwen


Note about that terrain set:
The Warhammer 40,000 Command Edition Battlefield Expansion Set includes a fold-out, double-sided gaming board and a selection of 12 pieces of plastic push-fit terrain – both of which also feature in the Command Edition starter set. If you’re looking for a Combat Patrol battlefield, populated by the perfect amount of terrain, look no further. Similarly, this set serves perfectly as a supplement to the Command Edition (or another Battlefield Expansion Set) to expand the size of your gaming area and terrain collection to one suitable for Incursion-scale battles. Add another two and you’re all set for a full Strike Force battlefield, complete with terrain!


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:05:00


Post by: Marshal Loss


Good that they're bringing them out. Hopefully the ETB kits (Doomstalker etc) follow next week


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:06:40


Post by: Kanluwen


Additionally:



There is a new paint set incoming for both the Necrons and Space Marines. They include three brand-new, push-fit Necron Warriors with gauss flayers and Assault Intercessors respectively, each in distinct poses that are different to those featured in Indomitus and the three starters sets. The sets also contain six Citadel paints, a Starter Brush and a stage-by-stage guide to help you paint your models in the colours of the Szarekhan Dynasty in the case of the Necrons, or the Ultramarines Chapter for the Space Marines. These sets are also great options for more experienced hobbyists looking to add even more variety to their Necron Warrior and Assault Intercessor Squads, or to try out the new Technical paint that features in the Necron set, Tesseract Glow.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:09:16


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


Necron paint set may prove interesting for trying out new schemes? I mean, the paints alone I’ll find a use for, and having a few spare models for experimenting never hurts.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:11:16


Post by: hotsauceman1


 Marshal Loss wrote:
Good that they're bringing them out. Hopefully the ETB kits (Doomstalker etc) follow next week

Wait, those are going to be easy to build?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:13:29


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


I believe that’s an assumption at the moment. Certainly I’ve only seen speculation, but it’s entirely possible I’ve missed something.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:13:59


Post by: Lord Damocles


I like how those Necron Warriors have forgotten which parts of their guns are armoured housing and which are glowy bits...

EDIT: Also, why is the rear-most Intercessor so badly photoshopped over the top of the paintbrush..?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:15:25


Post by: Sqorgar


The terrain set looks pretty good. Roughly equivalent to a Ravaged Land or Kill Zone, so I expect it'll be around $100, which is maybe a little too much for something being sold as a starter expansion that they want you to buy 4 of. It also makes me worried about what they will charge for the Command edition, seeing as it is the Elite + terrain set + rulebook.

Edit: Is the board the same one that was recently released separately?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:17:52


Post by: Overread


 Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how those Necron Warriors have forgotten which parts of their guns are armoured housing and which are glowy bits...


I've seen that style by a few people. It's just a different take on the weapon - not surprising to see it on a beginner focused product as its much easier to paint the whole tube as a glowing rod than pick out the little inlay details


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:22:17


Post by: Mr_Rose


 Overread wrote:
 Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how those Necron Warriors have forgotten which parts of their guns are armoured housing and which are glowy bits...


I've seen that style by a few people. It's just a different take on the weapon - not surprising to see it on a beginner focused product as its much easier to paint the whole tube as a glowing rod than pick out the little inlay details

It also looks the most like the ‘classic’ Necrons, especially as Tesseract Glow fluoresces like the old plastic rods did.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:31:50


Post by: Kanluwen


 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I believe that’s an assumption at the moment. Certainly I’ve only seen speculation, but it’s entirely possible I’ve missed something.

You did. They are.
So here's the article where they announced them as pushfits.

I was a bit pressed for time as I had to go check on an animal. Forgive the initial brusqueness.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:40:59


Post by: GoatboyBeta


Is it just me, or do those Assault Intercessor's in the paint set look like they might have sculpted icons on there shoulder pads? The current/old three man Intercessor paint set didn't show any shoulder badges on the Marines, and I cant see what else the new set would need Corax white for.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 17:44:08


Post by: Aeneades


 Sqorgar wrote:
The terrain set looks pretty good. Roughly equivalent to a Ravaged Land or Kill Zone, so I expect it'll be around $100, which is maybe a little too much for something being sold as a starter expansion that they want you to buy 4 of. It also makes me worried about what they will charge for the Command edition, seeing as it is the Elite + terrain set + rulebook.

Edit: Is the board the same one that was recently released separately?


It’s one of the two boards that was in the double board set.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 18:00:07


Post by: Ghaz


Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I believe that’s an assumption at the moment. Certainly I’ve only seen speculation, but it’s entirely possible I’ve missed something.


Kanluwen wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I believe that’s an assumption at the moment. Certainly I’ve only seen speculation, but it’s entirely possible I’ve missed something.

You did. They are.

From Warhammer Community for reference:

Who do you think is winning the battle of the big guns? All of these kits will be available as push fit models – which is good because you’re going to want a lot of them.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 18:04:39


Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I believe that’s an assumption at the moment. Certainly I’ve only seen speculation, but it’s entirely possible I’ve missed something.

You did. They are.
So here's the article where they announced them as pushfits.

I was a bit pressed for time as I had to go check on an animal. Forgive the initial brusqueness.


Ahhh. Now I see the picture. Now I feel the pinch!


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 18:39:18


Post by: Marshal Loss


hotsauceman1 wrote:
 Marshal Loss wrote:
Good that they're bringing them out. Hopefully the ETB kits (Doomstalker etc) follow next week

Wait, those are going to be easy to build?


Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:I believe that’s an assumption at the moment. Certainly I’ve only seen speculation, but it’s entirely possible I’ve missed something.


It was confirmed from the beginning:

Who do you think is winning the battle of the big guns? All of these kits will be available as push fit models – which is good because you’re going to want a lot of them. We can safely say these are hardly the last new kits you’ll see for both Primaris Space Marines and Necrons, including multipart kits, big centrepiece models, and more vehicles. Stay tuned for more information as soon as we have it!


The Invader ATV, Firestrike turret, Lokhust Destroyer & Canoptek Doomstalker are all push-fit

edit: was already posted above, my b


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 19:41:33


Post by: Voss


GoatboyBeta wrote:
Is it just me, or do those Assault Intercessor's in the paint set look like they might have sculpted icons on there shoulder pads? The current/old three man Intercessor paint set didn't show any shoulder badges on the Marines, and I cant see what else the new set would need Corax white for.


They do, which is annoying. I did what I could to limit duplication in the Assault squad in the box, but three fresh poses would have gone a long way (especially with the irritating way they did the sergeant, stupid belt helmets)
But there is a noticeable edge to the iconography, especially on the model in the back.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 19:56:43


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


So, since both of the Models + Paint sets contain three minis, does that basically confirm that a box of 10 new Warriors (and 3 Scarabs) will cost as much as a box of 10 Primaris troops?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 20:16:03


Post by: Lord Damocles


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So, since both of the Models + Paint sets contain three minis, does that basically confirm that a box of 10 new Warriors (and 3 Scarabs) will cost as much as a box of 10 Primaris troops?

Seven Plague Marines don't cost the same as ten Intercessors, so I don't see why it would.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 20:23:49


Post by: hotsauceman1


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I believe that’s an assumption at the moment. Certainly I’ve only seen speculation, but it’s entirely possible I’ve missed something.

You did. They are.
So here's the article where they announced them as pushfits.

I was a bit pressed for time as I had to go check on an animal. Forgive the initial brusqueness.

Nice, hopefully that means they are going to be cheaper than i expected.
But that might also explain the ATVs....oddness


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 20:36:32


Post by: Kanluwen


What oddness? The overall design?

Nah. That's not because it's an ETB. That's because someone likely saw some of the armed quads that got used in recent conflicts and thought it would be cool.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 20:39:02


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Lord Damocles wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So, since both of the Models + Paint sets contain three minis, does that basically confirm that a box of 10 new Warriors (and 3 Scarabs) will cost as much as a box of 10 Primaris troops?

Seven Plague Marines don't cost the same as ten Intercessors, so I don't see why it would.


Seven Plague Marines are cheaper then ten Intercessors because you get three less in a box?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/02 22:39:49


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Ooooh... new terrain. Love it.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 03:49:40


Post by: MajorWesJanson


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ooooh... new terrain. Love it.


especially new wall panels that block line of sight fully.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 09:48:13


Post by: Geifer


That Necron paint set looks like it actually contains only paints I want and need more of. Well, maybe not the base texture, but aside from that it's a good selection. May have to get one.

It's generally good to see that GW doesn't take long to release the starter sets.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 10:21:37


Post by: silverstu


Love the new terrain set- very nice!


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 10:46:53


Post by: Dysartes


 silverstu wrote:
Love the new terrain set- very nice!


I'm a little disappointed that it is packaged with a set of boards, but hopefully that doesn't spike the price too much - Saturday's pre-orders should be... interesting when it comes to proces, methinks.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 10:57:58


Post by: ImAGeek


Prices from Valrak on B&C



Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 11:08:55


Post by: DaveC


At least the Battlefield expansion held the Ravaged Land price point at £55 I was expecting £60 like Souldrain Forest or £65 just cause new edition price rise reasons.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 12:24:38


Post by: H.B.M.C.


So we're looking at AUD$260-ish for the big starter, given that it's £10 more than Soul Wars and Soul Wars is AUD$220.

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm a little disappointed that it is packaged with a set of boards...
Is it a set of boards, or just one board?

GW on the Command Edition Starter wrote:... the Command set also features a fold-out, double-sided gaming board as well as a selection of brand-new, push-fit battlefield terrain to fight over.
GW on the Command Edition Battlefield Expansion Set wrote:The Warhammer 40,000 Command Edition Battlefield Expansion Set includes a fold-out, double-sided gaming board and a selection of 12 pieces of plastic push-fit terrain – both of which also feature in the Command Edition starter set.
I know the picture has two, but it sure sounds like it only has one.



Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 12:38:31


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


Elite Edition is a whole 15 Pounds more expensive than Know No Fear. Why do ya gotta be like this GW?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 13:05:11


Post by: Dudeface


They're an awkward price for me, too much to absent mindedly buy to add to indomitus, but cheap enough you might want them independently.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 13:53:07


Post by: kodos


 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So we're looking at AUD$260-ish for the big starter, given that it's £10 more than Soul Wars and Soul Wars is AUD$220.

 Dysartes wrote:
I'm a little disappointed that it is packaged with a set of boards...
Is it a set of boards, or just one board?

GW on the Command Edition Starter wrote:... the Command set also features a fold-out, double-sided gaming board as well as a selection of brand-new, push-fit battlefield terrain to fight over.
GW on the Command Edition Battlefield Expansion Set wrote:The Warhammer 40,000 Command Edition Battlefield Expansion Set includes a fold-out, double-sided gaming board and a selection of 12 pieces of plastic push-fit terrain – both of which also feature in the Command Edition starter set.
I know the picture has two, but it sure sounds like it only has one.


It is one double sided board, the picture only shows both sides of the same single one in the box


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 13:57:39


Post by: tneva82


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Elite Edition is a whole 15 Pounds more expensive than Know No Fear. Why do ya gotta be like this GW?


Profit. Why wouldn't they be?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 14:00:51


Post by: Kanluwen


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Elite Edition is a whole 15 Pounds more expensive than Know No Fear. Why do ya gotta be like this GW?

Have you seen the bikes or Destroyers in person?

They're not small.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 14:05:23


Post by: SamusDrake


Prices are decent. That said, the Elite edition could have been £70 with a softback version of the slim-rule book and the Command edition could have had the full 40K rule book. As they are I'd have them at £60 and £95 respectively.

Personally, I'm going for the Recruit edition and, hoping that they do, get the Command edition's rule book if its sold separately. Would have preferred an excuse to purchase the Elite edition but hey-ho, it is what it is. Still good value no matter how we look at them.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 14:28:01


Post by: Nazrak


Almost certainly going to grab the Command Edition and sling my fat rulebook from Indomitus on ebay. Have been saying ever since I got it I wished it was jsut the back half to cart around. This stripped-down version's basically my ideal rulebook.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 14:38:57


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Kanluwen wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Elite Edition is a whole 15 Pounds more expensive than Know No Fear. Why do ya gotta be like this GW?

Have you seen the bikes or Destroyers in person?

They're not small.


Know No Fear had 31 miniatures in it, Elite Edition has 26 and is 15 pounds more expensive. No matter how giant the bikes are, they don't justify this.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 14:58:26


Post by: Kanluwen


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Elite Edition is a whole 15 Pounds more expensive than Know No Fear. Why do ya gotta be like this GW?

Have you seen the bikes or Destroyers in person?

They're not small.


Know No Fear had 31 miniatures in it, Elite Edition has 26 and is 15 pounds more expensive. No matter how giant the bikes are, they don't justify this.

The bikes are on the same size base as the Ironstriders and Destroyers are on the same size base as an Ogryn or Kataphron...and both of them fill the space very well.

Know No Fear had 31 miniatures in it...but very few big models comparatively. Inceptors were on 40mm bases, the Lord and Captain were on fairly hefty bases(I want to say the Captain was a 40mm while Lord of Contagion was 50?), and the Bloat Drone had a 60mm base.
Also, the Lord and Captain were on the sprues with those items.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 15:06:33


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Like a few cents more plastic in a bigger bike makes any difference, Kan.



Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 15:08:07


Post by: tneva82


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Elite Edition is a whole 15 Pounds more expensive than Know No Fear. Why do ya gotta be like this GW?

Have you seen the bikes or Destroyers in person?

They're not small.


Know No Fear had 31 miniatures in it, Elite Edition has 26 and is 15 pounds more expensive. No matter how giant the bikes are, they don't justify this.


Know no fear would not be same price it was if it would be released today


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 15:10:03


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


In Know No Fear you got a Primaris Captain, 5 Intercessors, 3 Inceptors and 5 Hellblasters.

In Elite Edition you get a Primaris Captain, 5 Intercessors and 3 Outsiders.

So to include bikes they had to throw out 8 troops on the Primaris side AND make the box 15 pounds more?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 15:19:19


Post by: Kanluwen


How many of those things are on the same sprue?

Seriously. Go frigging look for yourself. The stuff from Know No Fear was cherrypicked sprues from Dark Imperium...which ended up with you getting more because those items were on shared sprues.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 15:26:16


Post by: SamusDrake


To be fair, these sets seem to include an additional ruler and six dice. Little bit of increased cost there.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 15:33:49


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Kanluwen wrote:
How many of those things are on the same sprue?

Seriously. Go frigging look for yourself. The stuff from Know No Fear was cherrypicked sprues from Dark Imperium...which ended up with you getting more because those items were on shared sprues.


Basically everything on Dark Imperium is mixed togather on a few sprues. And? Does that somehow justify Geedubs making a starting set that's simultenously more expensive and way shittier in terms of models than the previous one?


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tneva82 wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Elite Edition is a whole 15 Pounds more expensive than Know No Fear. Why do ya gotta be like this GW?

Have you seen the bikes or Destroyers in person?

They're not small.


Know No Fear had 31 miniatures in it, Elite Edition has 26 and is 15 pounds more expensive. No matter how giant the bikes are, they don't justify this.


Know no fear would not be same price it was if it would be released today


Yes and that's because of GW's ever-growing greed.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 15:37:00


Post by: Kanluwen


If you cannot figure out the difference between a dedicated sprue and a mixed sprue, there's no point in continuing this discussion. Because yeah, it does make a difference. People are less likely to be buying the boxes with mixed sprues if they can get the dedicated kit by itself...especially if the dedicated kit has other options in it.

This is exactly what we saw happening with Shadowspear, by the by. People mass-bought the boxes to build armies on the cheap and then when the CSM dropped...they whined about the fact that they haaaaaaaaaaaad to buy the Havocs to get the new gun.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 15:48:04


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


Less models does not necessarily mean less useful models, obviously depending upon whoever purchases it as individual mileage will vary. I concur that the Primaris side feels a bit light, especially in the Command/Elite version but GW are probably wary of negatively impacting their individual unit box sales.

I think by combining recruit and the paint and tool set it is a great way for a totally new starter to get into the game. At a price point around the cost of most brand new video games ( and cheaper than whatever PS5 games will cost).




Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 15:58:11


Post by: Kanluwen


ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Less models does not necessarily mean less useful models, obviously depending upon whoever purchases it as individual mileage will vary. I concur that the Primaris side feels a bit light, especially in the Command/Elite version but GW are probably wary of negatively impacting their individual unit box sales.

I think by combining recruit and the paint and tool set it is a great way for a totally new starter to get into the game. At a price point around the cost of most brand new video games ( and cheaper than whatever PS5 games will cost).

And that's the key bit there. A great way for a totally new starter to get into the game.

Someone starting out with the Recruit set? They don't end up getting hit with as much duplication if they choose to 'upgrade' to the Elite or Command versions. They get a second Troop choice(Warriors for Necrons, Assault Intercessors for Marines) or an expansion to their current one, extra Scarabs for the Necrons, and the Royal Warden and Lieutenant are each replaced by the next step up...which hey, isn't that something that they were hinting at being able to do via the Crusade stuff in your codex?
Then each side gets a new unit!. Necrons get the Skorpekh Destroyers (with Plasmacyte) while Marines get the Outriders.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 16:01:15


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 Kanluwen wrote:
If you cannot figure out the difference between a dedicated sprue and a mixed sprue, there's no point in continuing this discussion. Because yeah, it does make a difference. People are less likely to be buying the boxes with mixed sprues if they can get the dedicated kit by itself...especially if the dedicated kit has other options in it.

This is exactly what we saw happening with Shadowspear, by the by. People mass-bought the boxes to build armies on the cheap and then when the CSM dropped...they whined about the fact that they haaaaaaaaaaaad to buy the Havocs to get the new gun.


I know what the diffrence between a dedicated and a shared sprue is. How does it excuse GW making Elite Edition insultingly overpriced?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 16:17:16


Post by: Kanluwen


Easy to Build Aggressors--a close approximation of the Skorpekh Destroyers were $35.
Easy to Build Solbright and Reikenor from AoS are $40 each...and they're the closest approximation to the Bikes in size/price for an ETB we have right now.

So please. Keep calling it "insultingly overpriced". It's something like $20 more than Know No Fear($80) here.

You're looking at probably $75 for the bikes+destroyers alone.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 16:28:02


Post by: SamusDrake


 Kanluwen wrote:
...while Marines get the Outriders.


Ah, The Black Widows of Space Marines. Somewhere there is a Primaris Lieutenant ordering his brother Dreadnought, "Right turn, Clydus!".


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 16:30:40


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


...how are Reiknor or Solbright remotely comperable to bikers? They're way, way bigger.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 16:40:52


Post by: Kanluwen


 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
...how are Reiknor or Solbright remotely comperable to bikers? They're way, way bigger.

Have you actually built any of the things we're talking about here?

Solbright is taller--but they're the same sized base. They all use up a similar amount of the bases they're on.

My bad on Reikenor since he's on a 75mm base not a 90mm...but the overall point remains the same. The bikers are not small.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 16:57:22


Post by: Aeneades


Apparently my wave 2 copy of Indomitus was shipped today. I was one of the earlier wave 2 orders but hopefully others will also start to receive soon.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 18:53:09


Post by: NAVARRO


For some reason I thought that the rulebook on Command set would be the full one but nope!


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 19:03:56


Post by: ListenToMeWarriors


 NAVARRO wrote:
For some reason I thought that the rulebook on Command set would be the full one but nope!


I would assume that it is minus the background info of the full book and is largely cover to cover rules, missions etc.

Interestingly looking at the image on the latest Warcom article they have made a small snafu with the Primaris Lt. Instructions from the recruit set, saying he has a plasma pistol rather than his Neo Volkite weapon.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 19:44:54


Post by: Warhams-77


In the first video it looked like a softcover rulebook...


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 19:55:31


Post by: privateer4hire




Prices leaked or officially released yet?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 19:56:37


Post by: Darnok


Well I hope this means we will return to something other than "new 40K edition!!!" the following week. Anybody with even the slightest interest in it either has the Indomitus box already or can get one of the starters next week - and everybody else is bored or annoyed by it all already.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 20:03:04


Post by: Wha-Mu-077


 privateer4hire wrote:


Prices leaked or officially released yet?


Recruit is gonna be 32.50 pounds, Elite 65 and Command 105, so all are gonna be more expensive than their equivalents with Plague Marines in 'em. Paint sets + Minis boxes are both gonna be 22.5 Pounds so more expensive too.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 20:28:43


Post by: privateer4hire


Thank you. We were guessing about a 20% increase for the various levels. Looks like command level is kinda the best deal.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 20:32:25


Post by: Sqorgar


So Recruit is $50 with 20 models, and Elite is $99 with 27 models - and I don't think there's much else different - that means that those extra 7 models cost $49. Doesn't seem like you are getting twice as much for twice the price. Elite seems like a scam.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 20:37:10


Post by: privateer4hire


It’s the bikes, right?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 20:41:29


Post by: Aeneades


 privateer4hire wrote:
It’s the bikes, right?


3 bikes, 3 Skorpekh Destroyers and a plasmacyte so 6 of them are much larger miniatures.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 21:46:27


Post by: SamusDrake


 privateer4hire wrote:
It’s the bikes, right?


They are indeed a bit crap.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 22:54:17


Post by: jullevi


 Kanluwen wrote:

The bikes are on the same size base as the Ironstriders and Destroyers are on the same size base as an Ogryn or Kataphron...and both of them fill the space very well.


I am not trying to argue any point you are trying to make but I'd like to mention that none of the things I quoted are correct.

Outriders = 90mm oval
Ironstriders = 105mm oval
Destroyers = 50mm round
Ogryn = 40mm round
Kataphron = 65mm round (also referred to as 60mm)

I was originally interested in Command Edition but now that the board and terrain are available separately, I am going with that instead. I don't need more of Indomitus units, at least for now. Stripped rulebook would be nice if I had any plans of actually playing the game in the future.




Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/03 23:00:11


Post by: Kanluwen


jullevi wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:

The bikes are on the same size base as the Ironstriders and Destroyers are on the same size base as an Ogryn or Kataphron...and both of them fill the space very well.


I am not trying to argue any point you are trying to make but I'd like to mention that none of the things I quoted are correct.

Outriders = 90mm oval
Ironstriders = 105mm oval
Destroyers = 50mm round
Ogryn = 40mm round
Kataphron = 65mm round (also referred to as 60mm)

I was originally interested in Command Edition but now that the board and terrain are available separately, I am going with that instead. I don't need more of Indomitus units, at least for now. Stripped rulebook would be nice if I had any plans of actually playing the game in the future.



Yeah, I don't know why but I had the wrong base sizes pulled up for the Ironstriders and Kataphron.

The point remains though: the models aren't small.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 00:06:25


Post by: hotsauceman1


Yeah, those bikes are a PITA to try to store.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 00:46:31


Post by: privateer4hire


How so?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 01:26:55


Post by: GaroRobe




Hold on. What happened to the sergeant's chainsword?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 01:33:32


Post by: posermcbogus


If you look closely, you can see it's at his hip - his *primaris monster bolt pistol that I use for my magnum marine*, however, has been cropped out. GW has to edit their promo pics anyway, because few cameras have an FOV big enough to focus on that many small things in that much detail that spread out, but recently it seems as though they don't even stage a lot of their photos, just move assets about over backgrounds in editors.

I was a little bit interested int the terrain expansion, but looking at the leaked prices...

...yet another incidence of me sighing and closing my wallet. $90? That's gonna be likw $120 out here. FFS GW.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 04:02:01


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Fun fact about the Assault Intercessor Sergeant.

You can, using just the parts on the sprue, give him:

1. Two helmets (one on his belt, and the other on his head).
2. Two chainswords (one on his belt, the other being held).
3. Two helmets (as above), a bolt pistol and a plasma pistol.
3. One helmet, one chainsword, one bolt pistol and a plasma pistol.

And that's assuming no actual conversion work. With some cutting you could conceivably give him three chainswords.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 04:11:33


Post by: Ouze


Well, one in each hand and one in his teeth.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 04:57:02


Post by: Voss


 privateer4hire wrote:
Thank you. We were guessing about a 20% increase for the various levels. Looks like command level is kinda the best deal.


Recruit doesn't have much, but realistically, its less than a fair number of 10 man squads, and has 17 models, 20 if you count the scarabs.So that isn't terrible.

But both Elite and the Terrain set are rather overpriced. Too few space marines, and the warriors (and the reap-blade skorpekh) are some of the most fragile and fiddly models I've assembled in a long time. Lots of little pieces to bend (happily didn't break any) and quite a few of the pegs fit poorly. Similarly, four ruined walls, some pipes and a bucket aren't exactly $90 worth of terrain.

Command is Elite+Terrain boxes, plus a trimmed-down rulebook, and knocks $34 off the total.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 05:21:10


Post by: tneva82


Oh? I had zero worry about breaking and only issues I ran was when I accidentally used arm pairs(first one worked well enough didn't notice but when the other mixed pair came it became issue...).

One of the easiest necron models I have assembled.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 05:43:57


Post by: privateer4hire


Voss wrote:
 privateer4hire wrote:
Thank you. We were guessing about a 20% increase for the various levels. Looks like command level is kinda the best deal.


Recruit doesn't have much, but realistically, its less than a fair number of 10 man squads, and has 17 models, 20 if you count the scarabs.So that isn't terrible.

But both Elite and the Terrain set are rather overpriced. Too few space marines, and the warriors (and the reap-blade skorpekh) are some of the most fragile and fiddly models I've assembled in a long time. Lots of little pieces to bend (happily didn't break any) and quite a few of the pegs fit poorly. Similarly, four ruined walls, some pipes and a bucket aren't exactly $90 worth of terrain.

Command is Elite+Terrain boxes, plus a trimmed-down rulebook, and knocks $34 off the total.


Honestly, we were figuring that the command set would cost $200 (each set being a multiple of $50 USD).
It is only a 'deal' compared to other GW stuff.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 06:19:07


Post by: Sabotage!


 privateer4hire wrote:
Voss wrote:
 privateer4hire wrote:
Thank you. We were guessing about a 20% increase for the various levels. Looks like command level is kinda the best deal.


Recruit doesn't have much, but realistically, its less than a fair number of 10 man squads, and has 17 models, 20 if you count the scarabs.So that isn't terrible.

But both Elite and the Terrain set are rather overpriced. Too few space marines, and the warriors (and the reap-blade skorpekh) are some of the most fragile and fiddly models I've assembled in a long time. Lots of little pieces to bend (happily didn't break any) and quite a few of the pegs fit poorly. Similarly, four ruined walls, some pipes and a bucket aren't exactly $90 worth of terrain.

Command is Elite+Terrain boxes, plus a trimmed-down rulebook, and knocks $34 off the total.


Honestly, we were figuring that the command set would cost $200 (each set being a multiple of $50 USD).
It is only a 'deal' compared to other GW stuff.



Yeah, as far as GW products go the Command Edition isn't a terrible deal. You get a full rulebook for 40k, a decent selection of models (though admittedly a bit light on Marines), a decent amount of terrain for what would be considerably cheaper than everything separate. ETB Assault Intercessors would probably be 25, Outriders 35-40, a cut down rulebook would probably be 40, Destroyers 35-40, Necron Warriors 40, Characters say 15 each (since they are ETB, though they will probably never be available separately), and 90 for the terrain stuff. Take that for what it's worth as those are based on GW's prices (which admittedly are pretty high), but compared to most GW products I think it's a pretty good value.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 09:07:22


Post by: Nazrak


Yeah, the full rules (which is arguably a better book than the fat book, depending on how you feel about lugging an extra 190 pages of lore around with you), five units and two characters, and a board/scenery, all for about a hundy (more like 80 if you pick it up from a 3rd-party retailer), really doesn't seem that bad to me compared to the prices on plenty of other stuff.

Does seem a little weird to me that the "starter" set doesn't have the book with the lore section, whereas Indomitus – which they made a big song and dance of being targeted at existing players – does have all the extraneous stuff that most existing players would already be familiar with.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 09:36:41


Post by: Overread


I'm honestly surprised GW hasn't done with the Big Rule Book what they've done with the Generals handbook. Have it as a single product, but split the book in half; giving you one part rules one part lore/art. That way they'd keep the same attraction of the single product (the lore and art and such DO have a big impact on getting people into the game and retaining them long term); but the increased functionality of being able to bring just the rules to game night because you really don't need to lug the lore with you every time.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 10:22:25


Post by: BrookM


A bit like 7th edition did, splitting it into three books.

I'd love to see a return of the tiny rulebooks that came with the starters.

Still in for a recruit myself, bit miffed at the €10,- price bump though. Also a bit annoyed with them doing a terrain + tile bundle now, I would've waited with getting the tiles until then. :(


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 10:27:02


Post by: Sunny Side Up


 Overread wrote:
I'm honestly surprised GW hasn't done with the Big Rule Book what they've done with the Generals handbook. Have it as a single product, but split the book in half; giving you one part rules one part lore/art. That way they'd keep the same attraction of the single product (the lore and art and such DO have a big impact on getting people into the game and retaining them long term); but the increased functionality of being able to bring just the rules to game night because you really don't need to lug the lore with you every time.


As above, I think them doing it for 7th Ed. and getting negative feedback on it might make them reconsider. Similar to inventing "Primaris" instead of just using the new sculpts as Marine-replacements, which feels like them trying to side-step the various old-world-armies-squatted fallouts.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 10:30:06


Post by: silverstu


I think the scenery set is ok actually- small battlefield in a box - basically a kill zone, no models I'm not wild about.
The command edition is ok too- scenery, battle mat with the rules and no fluff, not too many models- enough to have a crack and then swap in form your own collection. If I was getting back to playing I'd get that from Darksphere or the like.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 11:16:48


Post by: Dysartes


So those boards are normally sold as a pair for £30? Kinda wish it wasn't in with the terrain, or that the terrain had a sole release as well, as it just seems to be padding the price.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 12:32:50


Post by: Sqorgar


 Dysartes wrote:
So those boards are normally sold as a pair for £30? Kinda wish it wasn't in with the terrain, or that the terrain had a sole release as well, as it just seems to be padding the price.
The terrain will probably be split into packs later, but they'll be bundled with old pipes and other terrain they can't give away for a higher price than anyone would be willing to pay.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 15:35:48


Post by: The Phazer


Given it is literally a Kill Zone it would be nice if it got Kill Team rules...


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 15:38:24


Post by: privateer4hire


Maybe it will get rules with the new Kill Team?


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 15:53:30


Post by: The Phazer


 privateer4hire wrote:
Maybe it will get rules with the new Kill Team?


Maybe.

I wouldn't be shocked if it just got something in WD tbh.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 17:10:34


Post by: Sqorgar


 The Phazer wrote:
Given it is literally a Kill Zone it would be nice if it got Kill Team rules...
I think they are going to do a Kill Team 2.0 relatively soon. Maybe next year. Releases have completely dried up for a while now and a new edition of 40k just came out - yet they keep telling us that Kill Team isn't dead and more is coming. Given that they have taken killzones and made them a larger part of 40k proper (the game board size is now based on multiple killzone boards put together), I think they might make killzones into generalized 40k battlezones that can be used in Kill Team. That's just my theory though.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/04 17:37:13


Post by: Ghaz


 Sqorgar wrote:
 The Phazer wrote:
Given it is literally a Kill Zone it would be nice if it got Kill Team rules...
I think they are going to do a Kill Team 2.0 relatively soon. Maybe next year. Releases have completely dried up for a while now and a new edition of 40k just came out - yet they keep telling us that Kill Team isn't dead and more is coming. Given that they have taken killzones and made them a larger part of 40k proper (the game board size is now based on multiple killzone boards put together), I think they might make killzones into generalized 40k battlezones that can be used in Kill Team. That's just my theory though.

The generalized 40K battlezones, along with the new models from Indomitus could be used for the Kill Team Annual 2020.


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/06 16:06:05


Post by: Dudeface


Little oddity with today's article, the single board is perfect for kill team apparently but the rules in said boxset will state minimum is 44x30


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/06 17:20:05


Post by: kodos


You are supposed to buy 2 boxes and share with a friend to play together


Warhammer 40,000 – New Starter Sets Sighted! @ 2020/08/06 18:05:25


Post by: Dudeface


Just went back and checked the article, they changed the wording. It used to list the board dimensions and say how it would be perfect for a game of combat patrol.