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jullevi wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

The bikes are on the same size base as the Ironstriders and Destroyers are on the same size base as an Ogryn or Kataphron...and both of them fill the space very well.

I am not trying to argue any point you are trying to make but I'd like to mention that none of the things I quoted are correct.

Outriders = 90mm oval
Ironstriders = 105mm oval
Destroyers = 50mm round
Ogryn = 40mm round
Kataphron = 65mm round (also referred to as 60mm)

I was originally interested in Command Edition but now that the board and terrain are available separately, I am going with that instead. I don't need more of Indomitus units, at least for now. Stripped rulebook would be nice if I had any plans of actually playing the game in the future.

Yeah, I don't know why but I had the wrong base sizes pulled up for the Ironstriders and Kataphron.

The point remains though: the models aren't small.

Yeah, those bikes are a PITA to try to store.

How so?

Hold on. What happened to the sergeant's chainsword?

If you look closely, you can see it's at his hip - his *primaris monster bolt pistol that I use for my magnum marine*, however, has been cropped out. GW has to edit their promo pics anyway, because few cameras have an FOV big enough to focus on that many small things in that much detail that spread out, but recently it seems as though they don't even stage a lot of their photos, just move assets about over backgrounds in editors.

I was a little bit interested int the terrain expansion, but looking at the leaked prices...

...yet another incidence of me sighing and closing my wallet. $90? That's gonna be likw $120 out here. FFS GW.

Fun fact about the Assault Intercessor Sergeant.

You can, using just the parts on the sprue, give him:

1. Two helmets (one on his belt, and the other on his head).
2. Two chainswords (one on his belt, the other being held).
3. Two helmets (as above), a bolt pistol and a plasma pistol.
3. One helmet, one chainsword, one bolt pistol and a plasma pistol.

And that's assuming no actual conversion work. With some cutting you could conceivably give him three chainswords.

Well, one in each hand and one in his teeth.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Thank you. We were guessing about a 20% increase for the various levels. Looks like command level is kinda the best deal.

Recruit doesn't have much, but realistically, its less than a fair number of 10 man squads, and has 17 models, 20 if you count the scarabs.So that isn't terrible.

But both Elite and the Terrain set are rather overpriced. Too few space marines, and the warriors (and the reap-blade skorpekh) are some of the most fragile and fiddly models I've assembled in a long time. Lots of little pieces to bend (happily didn't break any) and quite a few of the pegs fit poorly. Similarly, four ruined walls, some pipes and a bucket aren't exactly $90 worth of terrain.

Command is Elite+Terrain boxes, plus a trimmed-down rulebook, and knocks $34 off the total.

Oh? I had zero worry about breaking and only issues I ran was when I accidentally used arm pairs(first one worked well enough didn't notice but when the other mixed pair came it became issue...).

One of the easiest necron models I have assembled.

Voss wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
Thank you. We were guessing about a 20% increase for the various levels. Looks like command level is kinda the best deal.

Recruit doesn't have much, but realistically, its less than a fair number of 10 man squads, and has 17 models, 20 if you count the scarabs.So that isn't terrible.

But both Elite and the Terrain set are rather overpriced. Too few space marines, and the warriors (and the reap-blade skorpekh) are some of the most fragile and fiddly models I've assembled in a long time. Lots of little pieces to bend (happily didn't break any) and quite a few of the pegs fit poorly. Similarly, four ruined walls, some pipes and a bucket aren't exactly $90 worth of terrain.

Command is Elite+Terrain boxes, plus a trimmed-down rulebook, and knocks $34 off the total.

Honestly, we were figuring that the command set would cost $200 (each set being a multiple of $50 USD).
It is only a 'deal' compared to other GW stuff.

 privateer4hire wrote:

Voss wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
Thank you. We were guessing about a 20% increase for the various levels. Looks like command level is kinda the best deal.

Recruit doesn't have much, but realistically, its less than a fair number of 10 man squads, and has 17 models, 20 if you count the scarabs.So that isn't terrible.

But both Elite and the Terrain set are rather overpriced. Too few space marines, and the warriors (and the reap-blade skorpekh) are some of the most fragile and fiddly models I've assembled in a long time. Lots of little pieces to bend (happily didn't break any) and quite a few of the pegs fit poorly. Similarly, four ruined walls, some pipes and a bucket aren't exactly $90 worth of terrain.

Command is Elite+Terrain boxes, plus a trimmed-down rulebook, and knocks $34 off the total.

Honestly, we were figuring that the command set would cost $200 (each set being a multiple of $50 USD).
It is only a 'deal' compared to other GW stuff.

Yeah, as far as GW products go the Command Edition isn't a terrible deal. You get a full rulebook for 40k, a decent selection of models (though admittedly a bit light on Marines), a decent amount of terrain for what would be considerably cheaper than everything separate. ETB Assault Intercessors would probably be 25, Outriders 35-40, a cut down rulebook would probably be 40, Destroyers 35-40, Necron Warriors 40, Characters say 15 each (since they are ETB, though they will probably never be available separately), and 90 for the terrain stuff. Take that for what it's worth as those are based on GW's prices (which admittedly are pretty high), but compared to most GW products I think it's a pretty good value.

Yeah, the full rules (which is arguably a better book than the fat book, depending on how you feel about lugging an extra 190 pages of lore around with you), five units and two characters, and a board/scenery, all for about a hundy (more like 80 if you pick it up from a 3rd-party retailer), really doesn't seem that bad to me compared to the prices on plenty of other stuff.

Does seem a little weird to me that the "starter" set doesn't have the book with the lore section, whereas Indomitus – which they made a big song and dance of being targeted at existing players – does have all the extraneous stuff that most existing players would already be familiar with.

I'm honestly surprised GW hasn't done with the Big Rule Book what they've done with the Generals handbook. Have it as a single product, but split the book in half; giving you one part rules one part lore/art. That way they'd keep the same attraction of the single product (the lore and art and such DO have a big impact on getting people into the game and retaining them long term); but the increased functionality of being able to bring just the rules to game night because you really don't need to lug the lore with you every time.

A bit like 7th edition did, splitting it into three books.

I'd love to see a return of the tiny rulebooks that came with the starters.

Still in for a recruit myself, bit miffed at the €10,- price bump though. Also a bit annoyed with them doing a terrain + tile bundle now, I would've waited with getting the tiles until then. :(

 Overread wrote:
I'm honestly surprised GW hasn't done with the Big Rule Book what they've done with the Generals handbook. Have it as a single product, but split the book in half; giving you one part rules one part lore/art. That way they'd keep the same attraction of the single product (the lore and art and such DO have a big impact on getting people into the game and retaining them long term); but the increased functionality of being able to bring just the rules to game night because you really don't need to lug the lore with you every time.

As above, I think them doing it for 7th Ed. and getting negative feedback on it might make them reconsider. Similar to inventing "Primaris" instead of just using the new sculpts as Marine-replacements, which feels like them trying to side-step the various old-world-armies-squatted fallouts.

I think the scenery set is ok actually- small battlefield in a box - basically a kill zone, no models I'm not wild about.
The command edition is ok too- scenery, battle mat with the rules and no fluff, not too many models- enough to have a crack and then swap in form your own collection. If I was getting back to playing I'd get that from Darksphere or the like.

So those boards are normally sold as a pair for £30? Kinda wish it wasn't in with the terrain, or that the terrain had a sole release as well, as it just seems to be padding the price.

 Dysartes wrote:
So those boards are normally sold as a pair for £30? Kinda wish it wasn't in with the terrain, or that the terrain had a sole release as well, as it just seems to be padding the price.

The terrain will probably be split into packs later, but they'll be bundled with old pipes and other terrain they can't give away for a higher price than anyone would be willing to pay.

Given it is literally a Kill Zone it would be nice if it got Kill Team rules...

Maybe it will get rules with the new Kill Team?

 privateer4hire wrote:
Maybe it will get rules with the new Kill Team?

Maybe.

I wouldn't be shocked if it just got something in WD tbh.

 The Phazer wrote:
Given it is literally a Kill Zone it would be nice if it got Kill Team rules...

I think they are going to do a Kill Team 2.0 relatively soon. Maybe next year. Releases have completely dried up for a while now and a new edition of 40k just came out - yet they keep telling us that Kill Team isn't dead and more is coming. Given that they have taken killzones and made them a larger part of 40k proper (the game board size is now based on multiple killzone boards put together), I think they might make killzones into generalized 40k battlezones that can be used in Kill Team. That's just my theory though.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 The Phazer wrote:
Given it is literally a Kill Zone it would be nice if it got Kill Team rules...

I think they are going to do a Kill Team 2.0 relatively soon. Maybe next year. Releases have completely dried up for a while now and a new edition of 40k just came out - yet they keep telling us that Kill Team isn't dead and more is coming. Given that they have taken killzones and made them a larger part of 40k proper (the game board size is now based on multiple killzone boards put together), I think they might make killzones into generalized 40k battlezones that can be used in Kill Team. That's just my theory though.

The generalized 40K battlezones, along with the new models from Indomitus could be used for the Kill Team Annual 2020.

Little oddity with today's article, the single board is perfect for kill team apparently but the rules in said boxset will state minimum is 44x30

You are supposed to buy 2 boxes and share with a friend to play together

Just went back and checked the article, they changed the wording. It used to list the board dimensions and say how it would be perfect for a game of combat patrol.

The sets have been posted along with pricing:

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-40-000?N=2562756967+3206404541&Nr=AND%28sku.siteId%3AUS_gw%2Cproduct.locale%3Aen_US_gw%29&Nrs=collection%28%29%2Frecord%5Bproduct.startDate+%3C%3D+1596920460000+and+product.endDate+%3E%3D+1596920460000%5D

Command $165
Elite $99
Recruit $50
Terrain Expansion $90

Also 3 new painting kits.