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 Platuan4th wrote:

changemod wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
Am I only one that finds space marine side bit small?

It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Yeah, this is kinda embarrassing on that front.

Far away pics fail to sell how large those bikes(taking up most of a 95mm base) actually are.

That’s...

Large bikes hardly qualify for the “Big robot or monster” factor that plays an important role in hooking the kids. Especially in demo games.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Hmm, so what's going to happen with the big combo sprue's from Indomitus?

My money is on a new SC box like they did with shadow spear.

tneva82 wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

-10 Warriors & 3 Scarabs - $40 (can't find them on the store since they dumped the old ones)

10 troop infanry are 60$ these days. Remember new SKU's get price hike. They won't be same price as old warriors.-

They just bumped the old warriors and if we get a non-easy to build unit maybe but it's an easy to build unit so I played if off that amount. Granted it could be higher. Getting kinda persnickety about minutia though.

Do we really need a non-easy build unit of Necron Warriors?

It's got both weapon options on the frame right there. The frames should just get doubled up for any potential box release.

changemod wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

changemod wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
Am I only one that finds space marine side bit small?

It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Yeah, this is kinda embarrassing on that front.

Far away pics fail to sell how large those bikes(taking up most of a 95mm base) actually are.

That’s...

Large bikes hardly qualify for the “Big robot or monster” factor that plays an important role in hooking the kids. Especially in demo games.

And? This is exactly what they did with the Dark Imperium mini starter sets. The only "big robot/monster" was the blightdrone (which is odd that they didn't add the necron tripod on the side of the necrons). The biggest thing on the Imperium side was the primaris jump troop guys. The bikes are a lot more imposing than those models. They also didn't bother including actual terrain, just the cardboard terrain that the lower tier starter sets comes with. The bikes are the "big" thing on the primaris side of Indomitus and the starter set uses those models exclusively, so they can't really add somthing like a dreadnought or a buggy (Although, that would have been a good idea.)

It's the one disadvantage of the Primeris being so good and having 2W,

to balance the forces (even with the marine bias starters normally have) you need far fewer of them

 Nevelon wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Hmm, so what's going to happen with the big combo sprue's from Indomitus?

My money is on a new SC box like they did with shadow spear.

Nah. There's only one 'combined' sprue for each faction...Shadowspear worked because it had a few mixed sprues.
Necrons get the Plasmancer, Cryptothralls(who can mix and match parts in case you didn't know!), Skorpekh Destroyer Lord, and Reanimator all on one sprue.
Marines get the Judiciar, Bladeguard Veterans, Bladeguard Ancient, Eliminators, and Chaplain all as one sprue.

It's possible they release those frames as 'reinforcement boxes' ala the GSC Hivecoven and Deathwatch Killteam Cassius sets.


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 GaroRobe wrote:

And? This is exactly what they did with the Dark Imperium mini starter sets. The only "big robot/monster" was the blightdrone (which is odd that they didn't add the necron tripod on the side of the necrons). The biggest thing on the Imperium side was the primaris jump troop guys. The bikes are a lot more imposing than those models. They also didn't bother including actual terrain, just the cardboard terrain that the lower tier starter sets comes with. The bikes are the "big" thing on the primaris side of Indomitus and the starter set uses those models exclusively, so they can't really add somthing like a dreadnought or a buggy (Although, that would have been a good idea.)

The Reanimator and Skorpekh Lord are on a shared sprue with Plasmancer and Cryptothralls.

The Elite and Command editions do include the Skorpekh Destroyers and Plasmacyte frame though.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Marines get the Judiciar, Bladeguard Veterans, Bladeguard Ancient, Eliminators, and Chaplain all as one sprue.

Eradicators, Kan, not Eliminators - the Primaris Naming Disorder strikes again

Those might be sold and touted as "Expansions" to the started set, with a "Go here next" Kinda thing.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Marines get the Judiciar, Bladeguard Veterans, Bladeguard Ancient, Eliminators, and Chaplain all as one sprue.

Eradicators, Kan, not Eliminators - the Primaris Naming Disorder strikes again

Thanks Dysartes...I don't know why, those guys feel more Eliminatory than Eradicatory.

 Bellerophon wrote:

Interesting that the hardback rulebook in the Command Edition is half the number of pages of the main Core book - I suspect that they've chopped out the fluff pages and just presented the rules. If that's the case, that could be quite a handy thing to have, I'm sure it would be more convenient to both carry to a game and actually use when playing rather than the version with a couple of hundred pages of lore and twice the weight.

That is very interesting and overlooked it. Hope its available separately.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:


I also find it interesting that the Bladeguard are called out as getting an individual multi-part release, but no word on Eradicators.

No need for 2 HQs given the small amount of units in the box. As others previously guessed it explains why the Overlord/Captain and Warden/LT are joined on the same sprues.

It also means that someone who bought the recruit edition to give the game a try can then progress with an elite or command edition and not double up characters. Or 2 friends who split 1 recruit & 1 elite box. It’s a clever plan.


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 PurpleEcho wrote:
The problem GW are going to have is the Command Edition will be directly compared to the Indomitus box. If the price is close to that of the Indomitus box it's going to look like a much poorer deal.

It will for the next few weeks, but it’ll fade quickly enough once indomitus is firmly in the rear view mirror.

I think these will be aggressively priced too tho.

The Bladeguard also had that same picture leaked earlier. GW just decided today would be a good day to release an official image. I won't be surprised if they next reveal the captain with heavy bolter or the new form of intercessors.

Actually, what if the heavy bolter guys and Eradicators are the same set? They have the same armor, and just giving them a different weapon could save them from releasing two nearly identical kits.

 GaroRobe wrote:
The Bladeguard also had that same picture leaked earlier. GW just decided today would be a good day to release an official image. I won't be surprised if they next reveal the captain with heavy bolter or the new form of intercessors.

Actually, what if the heavy bolter guys and Eradicators are the same set? They have the same armor, and just giving them a different weapon could save them from releasing two nearly identical kits.

Would make sense. Then again, Hellblasters and Intercessors are different kits.

 Crimson wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
The Bladeguard also had that same picture leaked earlier. GW just decided today would be a good day to release an official image. I won't be surprised if they next reveal the captain with heavy bolter or the new form of intercessors.

Actually, what if the heavy bolter guys and Eradicators are the same set? They have the same armor, and just giving them a different weapon could save them from releasing two nearly identical kits.

Would make sense. Then again, Hellblasters and Intercessors are different kits.

The Hellblasters have additional armor plates the Intercessors don't have. It's a minor difference, but it's there.

changemod wrote:
It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Weren't people clamoring about how "marines should feel more elite" and stuff? Well now we have action movie marines, and the "cool thing impulse buy factor" is that the marine are SO COOL that just 9 of them are enough to face so many necrons.

 Crimson wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
The Bladeguard also had that same picture leaked earlier. GW just decided today would be a good day to release an official image. I won't be surprised if they next reveal the captain with heavy bolter or the new form of intercessors.

Actually, what if the heavy bolter guys and Eradicators are the same set? They have the same armor, and just giving them a different weapon could save them from releasing two nearly identical kits.

Would make sense.

Not really. SM, CSM, and Sisters have their troops separate from 'devastator' boxes for a reason despite them wearing the same armour (though that technically is no longer the case with all three having slightly heavier variants). You don't mix troop box with an elite one, if only to reduce massive sprue waste. I'd guess Eradicators have heavy flamer or gatling option while HI are simpler, less armoured guys with multiple types of rifles making for cheaper infantry box.

 Irbis wrote:
You don't mix troop box with an elite one, if only to reduce massive sprue waste.

Sister's troop choice are the same kit as their fast attack choice. Sister's jump pack elite choice are the same kit as their jump pack fast attack choice.

 Platuan4th wrote:

The Hellblasters have additional armor plates the Intercessors don't have. It's a minor difference, but it's there.

Yes, though it is a bit weird as that only applies to the multipart kits. Some of the Dark Imperium Hellbalsers and intercessors have these plates while some don't. I mixed and matched my Hellblaster and Intercessor bits while building the multiparts to maintain similar variety.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Do we really need a non-easy build unit of Necron Warriors?

It's got both weapon options on the frame right there. The frames should just get doubled up for any potential box release.

Agreed. Unless warriors get a third weapon option, the new sprue is just fine for general release, esp if it keeps the price down.

I wonder if the new start collecting necrons box will be the contents of indomitus minus the 2 characters that seem to be starter exclusive

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Do we really need a non-easy build unit of Necron Warriors?

It's got both weapon options on the frame right there. The frames should just get doubled up for any potential box release.

Agreed. Unless warriors get a third weapon option, the new sprue is just fine for general release, esp if it keeps the price down.

I wonder if the new start collecting necrons box will be the contents of indomitus minus the 2 characters that seem to be starter exclusive

SC box would be 10 warriors, the three tripod heavy infantry, one of the larger constructs, plus one character. Maybe some scarabs too.

JWBS wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Do we really need a non-easy build unit of Necron Warriors?

It's got both weapon options on the frame right there. The frames should just get doubled up for any potential box release.

Agreed. Unless warriors get a third weapon option, the new sprue is just fine for general release, esp if it keeps the price down.

I wonder if the new start collecting necrons box will be the contents of indomitus minus the 2 characters that seem to be starter exclusive

SC box would be 10 warriors, the three tripod heavy infantry, one of the larger constructs, plus one character. Maybe some scarabs too.

So just the Necron half of the middle Starter plus a Reanimator?

 Platuan4th wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Do we really need a non-easy build unit of Necron Warriors?

It's got both weapon options on the frame right there. The frames should just get doubled up for any potential box release.

Agreed. Unless warriors get a third weapon option, the new sprue is just fine for general release, esp if it keeps the price down.

I wonder if the new start collecting necrons box will be the contents of indomitus minus the 2 characters that seem to be starter exclusive

SC box would be 10 warriors, the three tripod heavy infantry, one of the larger constructs, plus one character. Maybe some scarabs too.

So just the Necron half of the middle Starter plus a Reanimator?

Yeah that would be my guess. Compares well with GSC for example (10 Neophytes, 5 Hybrids, a Ridgerunner, and an Iconward).

JWBS wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Do we really need a non-easy build unit of Necron Warriors?

It's got both weapon options on the frame right there. The frames should just get doubled up for any potential box release.

Agreed. Unless warriors get a third weapon option, the new sprue is just fine for general release, esp if it keeps the price down.

I wonder if the new start collecting necrons box will be the contents of indomitus minus the 2 characters that seem to be starter exclusive

SC box would be 10 warriors, the three tripod heavy infantry, one of the larger constructs, plus one character. Maybe some scarabs too.

So just the Necron half of the middle Starter plus a Reanimator?

Yeah that would be my guess. Compares well with GSC for example (10 Neophytes, 5 Hybrids, a Ridgerunner, and an Iconward).

It would have to be a reanimator sprue, which means destroyer lord, plasmancer and minions. Likely not the overlord or warden though since those are attached to marine characters.

Do we know if the third box (the Commander level) has full rules minus extra fluff, or if one would have to still buy the hardcover book later?

It's 168 pages compared to the Core Book's 368.

We don't know what the difference is. It's probably the fluff section and possibly the Matched Play Mission stuff.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
You don't mix troop box with an elite one, if only to reduce massive sprue waste.

Sister's troop choice are the same kit as their fast attack choice. Sister's jump pack elite choice are the same kit as their jump pack fast attack choice.

The troop kit is also an elite kit. And a heavy support kit depending on how many of them you have and if you want multimeltas or not.

Personally, I really like the look of the boxes. Don't know whether I'll bother to pick any up but they look really great for true beginners- not giving a near full army to someone who's just started, instead letting it build up.

Plus, I really like the inclusion of terrain. I kind of hope that we see a move towards more army terrain this edition- hopefully a little more useful than the mekboy workshop though.

 GaroRobe wrote:

changemod wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

changemod wrote:

Sotahullu wrote:
Am I only one that finds space marine side bit small?

It’s literally nine models on that side, and the entire starter set doesn’t come with a larger (60mm-ish) model to help pull in the cool thing impulse buy factor like starter sets historically have.

Yeah, this is kinda embarrassing on that front.

Far away pics fail to sell how large those bikes(taking up most of a 95mm base) actually are.

That’s...

Large bikes hardly qualify for the “Big robot or monster” factor that plays an important role in hooking the kids. Especially in demo games.

And? This is exactly what they did with the Dark Imperium mini starter sets. The only "big robot/monster" was the blightdrone (which is odd that they didn't add the necron tripod on the side of the necrons). The biggest thing on the Imperium side was the primaris jump troop guys. The bikes are a lot more imposing than those models. They also didn't bother including actual terrain, just the cardboard terrain that the lower tier starter sets comes with. The bikes are the "big" thing on the primaris side of Indomitus and the starter set uses those models exclusively, so they can't really add somthing like a dreadnought or a buggy (Although, that would have been a good idea.)

Oh, my post must have gotten eaten hours ago.

Anyhow yes, the blight drone was the big robot/monster for dark imperium. Before that it was a helbrute, then a dread.

The smaller two are pretty great, but compared to DI or even shadowspear the biggest one is pretty poor.

The terrain is cool, but the game at 16 PL plays completely differently to how it does at 40PL (DI) and its so easy to just use stuff around the house as terrain that I feel for people starting out more models is far, far more important. Tactically you are so limited with what's in that box. This is an intro to the rules, but not the 'game' as it is really played, if that makes sense.

They should have at least put enough in that you could start a 25PL crusade army. A second assault intercessors sprue and both characters would have been so much better