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Gathering the Informations.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Elite Edition is a whole 15 Pounds more expensive than Know No Fear. Why do ya gotta be like this GW?

Have you seen the bikes or Destroyers in person?

They're not small.


Know No Fear had 31 miniatures in it, Elite Edition has 26 and is 15 pounds more expensive. No matter how giant the bikes are, they don't justify this.

The bikes are on the same size base as the Ironstriders and Destroyers are on the same size base as an Ogryn or Kataphron...and both of them fill the space very well.

Know No Fear had 31 miniatures in it...but very few big models comparatively. Inceptors were on 40mm bases, the Lord and Captain were on fairly hefty bases(I want to say the Captain was a 40mm while Lord of Contagion was 50?), and the Bloat Drone had a 60mm base.
Also, the Lord and Captain were on the sprues with those items.
   
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Like a few cents more plastic in a bigger bike makes any difference, Kan.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Elite Edition is a whole 15 Pounds more expensive than Know No Fear. Why do ya gotta be like this GW?

Have you seen the bikes or Destroyers in person?

They're not small.


Know No Fear had 31 miniatures in it, Elite Edition has 26 and is 15 pounds more expensive. No matter how giant the bikes are, they don't justify this.


Know no fear would not be same price it was if it would be released today

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In Know No Fear you got a Primaris Captain, 5 Intercessors, 3 Inceptors and 5 Hellblasters.

In Elite Edition you get a Primaris Captain, 5 Intercessors and 3 Outsiders.

So to include bikes they had to throw out 8 troops on the Primaris side AND make the box 15 pounds more?

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Gathering the Informations.

How many of those things are on the same sprue?

Seriously. Go frigging look for yourself. The stuff from Know No Fear was cherrypicked sprues from Dark Imperium...which ended up with you getting more because those items were on shared sprues.
   
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To be fair, these sets seem to include an additional ruler and six dice. Little bit of increased cost there.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
How many of those things are on the same sprue?

Seriously. Go frigging look for yourself. The stuff from Know No Fear was cherrypicked sprues from Dark Imperium...which ended up with you getting more because those items were on shared sprues.


Basically everything on Dark Imperium is mixed togather on a few sprues. And? Does that somehow justify Geedubs making a starting set that's simultenously more expensive and way shittier in terms of models than the previous one?


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tneva82 wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Kanluwen wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Elite Edition is a whole 15 Pounds more expensive than Know No Fear. Why do ya gotta be like this GW?

Have you seen the bikes or Destroyers in person?

They're not small.


Know No Fear had 31 miniatures in it, Elite Edition has 26 and is 15 pounds more expensive. No matter how giant the bikes are, they don't justify this.


Know no fear would not be same price it was if it would be released today


Yes and that's because of GW's ever-growing greed.

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Gathering the Informations.

If you cannot figure out the difference between a dedicated sprue and a mixed sprue, there's no point in continuing this discussion. Because yeah, it does make a difference. People are less likely to be buying the boxes with mixed sprues if they can get the dedicated kit by itself...especially if the dedicated kit has other options in it.

This is exactly what we saw happening with Shadowspear, by the by. People mass-bought the boxes to build armies on the cheap and then when the CSM dropped...they whined about the fact that they haaaaaaaaaaaad to buy the Havocs to get the new gun.

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Less models does not necessarily mean less useful models, obviously depending upon whoever purchases it as individual mileage will vary. I concur that the Primaris side feels a bit light, especially in the Command/Elite version but GW are probably wary of negatively impacting their individual unit box sales.

I think by combining recruit and the paint and tool set it is a great way for a totally new starter to get into the game. At a price point around the cost of most brand new video games ( and cheaper than whatever PS5 games will cost).



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Gathering the Informations.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Less models does not necessarily mean less useful models, obviously depending upon whoever purchases it as individual mileage will vary. I concur that the Primaris side feels a bit light, especially in the Command/Elite version but GW are probably wary of negatively impacting their individual unit box sales.

I think by combining recruit and the paint and tool set it is a great way for a totally new starter to get into the game. At a price point around the cost of most brand new video games ( and cheaper than whatever PS5 games will cost).

And that's the key bit there. A great way for a totally new starter to get into the game.

Someone starting out with the Recruit set? They don't end up getting hit with as much duplication if they choose to 'upgrade' to the Elite or Command versions. They get a second Troop choice(Warriors for Necrons, Assault Intercessors for Marines) or an expansion to their current one, extra Scarabs for the Necrons, and the Royal Warden and Lieutenant are each replaced by the next step up...which hey, isn't that something that they were hinting at being able to do via the Crusade stuff in your codex?
Then each side gets a new unit!. Necrons get the Skorpekh Destroyers (with Plasmacyte) while Marines get the Outriders.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
If you cannot figure out the difference between a dedicated sprue and a mixed sprue, there's no point in continuing this discussion. Because yeah, it does make a difference. People are less likely to be buying the boxes with mixed sprues if they can get the dedicated kit by itself...especially if the dedicated kit has other options in it.

This is exactly what we saw happening with Shadowspear, by the by. People mass-bought the boxes to build armies on the cheap and then when the CSM dropped...they whined about the fact that they haaaaaaaaaaaad to buy the Havocs to get the new gun.


I know what the diffrence between a dedicated and a shared sprue is. How does it excuse GW making Elite Edition insultingly overpriced?

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Gathering the Informations.

Easy to Build Aggressors--a close approximation of the Skorpekh Destroyers were $35.
Easy to Build Solbright and Reikenor from AoS are $40 each...and they're the closest approximation to the Bikes in size/price for an ETB we have right now.

So please. Keep calling it "insultingly overpriced". It's something like $20 more than Know No Fear($80) here.

You're looking at probably $75 for the bikes+destroyers alone.
   
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 Kanluwen wrote:
...while Marines get the Outriders.


Ah, The Black Widows of Space Marines. Somewhere there is a Primaris Lieutenant ordering his brother Dreadnought, "Right turn, Clydus!".

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...how are Reiknor or Solbright remotely comperable to bikers? They're way, way bigger.

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Gathering the Informations.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
...how are Reiknor or Solbright remotely comperable to bikers? They're way, way bigger.

Have you actually built any of the things we're talking about here?

Solbright is taller--but they're the same sized base. They all use up a similar amount of the bases they're on.

My bad on Reikenor since he's on a 75mm base not a 90mm...but the overall point remains the same. The bikers are not small.
   
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Apparently my wave 2 copy of Indomitus was shipped today. I was one of the earlier wave 2 orders but hopefully others will also start to receive soon.
   
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Hey look more stuff about the Starters

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/03/inside-the-warhammer-40000-starter-sets/

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For some reason I thought that the rulebook on Command set would be the full one but nope!

   
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 NAVARRO wrote:
For some reason I thought that the rulebook on Command set would be the full one but nope!


I would assume that it is minus the background info of the full book and is largely cover to cover rules, missions etc.

Interestingly looking at the image on the latest Warcom article they have made a small snafu with the Primaris Lt. Instructions from the recruit set, saying he has a plasma pistol rather than his Neo Volkite weapon.

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In the first video it looked like a softcover rulebook...
   
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Prices leaked or officially released yet?

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Well I hope this means we will return to something other than "new 40K edition!!!" the following week. Anybody with even the slightest interest in it either has the Indomitus box already or can get one of the starters next week - and everybody else is bored or annoyed by it all already.
   
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 privateer4hire wrote:


Prices leaked or officially released yet?


Recruit is gonna be 32.50 pounds, Elite 65 and Command 105, so all are gonna be more expensive than their equivalents with Plague Marines in 'em. Paint sets + Minis boxes are both gonna be 22.5 Pounds so more expensive too.

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 privateer4hire wrote:


Prices leaked or officially released yet?


US prices - via Gederas on B&C forum

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Thank you. We were guessing about a 20% increase for the various levels. Looks like command level is kinda the best deal.

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So Recruit is $50 with 20 models, and Elite is $99 with 27 models - and I don't think there's much else different - that means that those extra 7 models cost $49. Doesn't seem like you are getting twice as much for twice the price. Elite seems like a scam.
   
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It’s the bikes, right?

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 privateer4hire wrote:
It’s the bikes, right?


3 bikes, 3 Skorpekh Destroyers and a plasmacyte so 6 of them are much larger miniatures.
   
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 privateer4hire wrote:
It’s the bikes, right?


They are indeed a bit crap.

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 Kanluwen wrote:

The bikes are on the same size base as the Ironstriders and Destroyers are on the same size base as an Ogryn or Kataphron...and both of them fill the space very well.


I am not trying to argue any point you are trying to make but I'd like to mention that none of the things I quoted are correct.

Outriders = 90mm oval
Ironstriders = 105mm oval
Destroyers = 50mm round
Ogryn = 40mm round
Kataphron = 65mm round (also referred to as 60mm)

I was originally interested in Command Edition but now that the board and terrain are available separately, I am going with that instead. I don't need more of Indomitus units, at least for now. Stripped rulebook would be nice if I had any plans of actually playing the game in the future.



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