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 Dysartes wrote:

 Overread wrote:
In fairness when they first came out they were all metal and only had a handfull of models. Wasn't it 3 or 4 or so poses of warrior. So elite worked functionally wellvfor them back then

Six Warrior poses, two scarabs, two Immortals, a Lord and a Destroyer, from memory.

Yep -

 Dysartes wrote:

 Overread wrote:
In fairness when they first came out they were all metal and only had a handfull of models. Wasn't it 3 or 4 or so poses of warrior. So elite worked functionally wellvfor them back then

Six Warrior poses, two scarabs, two Immortals, a Lord and a Destroyer, from memory.

Worse than that, they didn't even get Immortals till 3rd edition. 4 units, 6 warrior poses.

Retro Reviews:

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BrianDavion wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
So, seeing as we have marines better Fire Dragons (for cheaper, apparently? Dunno if we now points for Dragons), are there still any aspects worth taking?

a fire dragon is 23 PPM, a eradicator is 40 PPM.

even if we judge by squad sizes fire dragons are cheaper. and it's not like fire dragons don't have some advantages.

they can advance and fire with no penalty, re-roll wound rolls of one (yes marines can have lts do this but then that's another 80 or so points added) they can re-roll hits of 1, (yet again marines can acheive this only if they're willing to babysit what is proably a sucide melta unit with a captain)

I'm not saying eradicators are BAD. but fire dragons are nearly HALF the cost per man of a eradicator squad.

1. No it isn't it's the CT they'd have anyway.

2. Eradicators are more than twice as good as fire dragons. They have double the shots per model and 3 times the base stats. Price is only relevant if it matches ability, in this case it does not.

Eradicators are a 30pt model shooting a 60pt gun for 40pts.

Is there any idea of when these are going to be available yet? I played a bit of 8th but no-one else I knew was interested. Lockdown has put me in touch with a few people wanting to get back into 40K after years out of the loop but none of us can justify £125 in one drop. However the magically-refilling Recruit set might just get miniatures past the financial scrutineer of the house. I need these now...

Hopefully, maybe something will be mentioned on Sunday...

Cheers, my google-fu was not as weak as I thought. I was assuming that there was usually a rough release date by the time the official pics appear.

Yeah, its always on Sunday they do a "Coming Soon" highlighting the preorders for the following Saturday. I'm assuming they did Adeptus Titanicus this week to give a break in the 9th edition releases.

I like that the largest set has terrain in it (and a cardboard board, I guess). As mentioned it has its disadvantages if you play at a store that has all the terrain you'll ever need, but having terrain included in the starter box helps impress the importance of board interaction in a tabletop game on new players. That is a good thing in my opinion. You never know, maybe even the game designers were presented with the box and learned how much more fun the game is with terrain.

Will be interesting to see if the cut down rulebook includes the full rules and only drops the background section and model showcase. That would be a good inclusion. I'm on the fence on the big box for now, but a complete rulebook would probably get me to buy it. For models I like the Recruit edition. It has everything I wanted out of Indomitus except for the Captain (which I prefer over the Lieutenant), so I'm probably going to buy that one.

I hope the prices aren't going to be obscene...

Don't forget having your own terrain means you can play outside of the store. Perhaps at home, or starting up a school or uni society etc.

Personally, I think it's a shame that the command box doesn't include the full rulebook (though I can see that people would appreciate the option to get a smaller, lighter rulebook).

Planning on picking up the rulebook at some point, but if the set had the full one in it I'd almost certainly have gone for that instead, to get the scenery and a few extra models, but seems a bit of a waste to get both (unless the price is REALLY good).

Though guess I'm also not the target market for the set.

 Geifer wrote:
I like that the largest set has terrain in it (and a cardboard board, I guess). As mentioned it has its disadvantages if you play at a store that has all the terrain you'll ever need, but having terrain included in the starter box helps impress the importance of board interaction in a tabletop game on new players. That is a good thing in my opinion. You never know, maybe even the game designers were presented with the box and learned how much more fun the game is with terrain.

Will be interesting to see if the cut down rulebook includes the full rules and only drops the background section and model showcase. That would be a good inclusion. I'm on the fence on the big box for now, but a complete rulebook would probably get me to buy it. For models I like the Recruit edition. It has everything I wanted out of Indomitus except for the Captain (which I prefer over the Lieutenant), so I'm probably going to buy that one.

I hope the prices aren't going to be obscene...

I'm gonna take a guess that the starter set'll be 50/100/150.

mostly because dark Imperium's 200 dollar price sticker just seemed too much for people. Only people who already played 40k and where looking to expand their army seemed to buy it. so my guess is GW's trying to make the big box a little cheaper. and hence why they did thespecial launch set for us vets

I don't know. GW had some crazy price increases last year, but I didn't get the impression that I was the only one thinking about Indomitus being good value in the context of usual GW prices. Having the full rule book and two sizeable forces seems attractive to me, even to new players who may not be accustomed to GW prices.

That said, I certainly hope that the somewhat reduced number of models in these two starters actually leads to more reasonable prices. My local store seemed to have trouble selling starter boxes once the went above the 100€ mark. Before that they could afford to sell them for MSRP, but ever since (and that goes for battle boxes as well) they sold them for decent discounts for the release period. For a store that was historically reluctant to give discounts that's a pretty big step and indicative of how they did not seem to believe they could sell these boxes for the normal price.

Tavis75 wrote:
Personally, I think it's a shame that the command box doesn't include the full rulebook (though I can see that people would appreciate the option to get a smaller, lighter rulebook).

Planning on picking up the rulebook at some point, but if the set had the full one in it I'd almost certainly have gone for that instead, to get the scenery and a few extra models, but seems a bit of a waste to get both (unless the price is REALLY good).

Though guess I'm also not the target market for the set.

I maintain they should just always go the 2nd ed and 7th ed route with rules and background split between different books. That way they get the background into the hands of new players, which is one of the most important assets they have with 40k, and also don't force people to lug around a 300+ page rule book to reference during games. It's the best approach in my opinion. No idea why GW only did that for a small number of editions.

Yeah that would have been good. The new book is awesome but damn it's hard to lug around. Not bad for random games(I just cary CA instead) but when crusade league starts...

Might take copies of relevant pages for those games. That book is bummer to haul around.

tneva82 wrote:
Yeah that would have been good. The new book is awesome but damn it's hard to lug around. Not bad for random games(I just cary CA instead) but when crusade league starts...

Might take copies of relevant pages for those games. That book is bummer to haul around.

That’s why I do digital for all my games anymore. One iPad has every Rulebook for every game I play.

tneva82 wrote:
Yeah that would have been good. The new book is awesome but damn it's hard to lug around. Not bad for random games(I just cary CA instead) but when crusade league starts...

Might take copies of relevant pages for those games. That book is bummer to haul around.

Look at it as a way to get a little extra exercise. Maybe do some curls with it while your loyalists playing opponent is rolling all their hits, full rerolls to hit, wounds, and rerolls to wound. It also doubles as a personal defense weapon if you're mugged while traveling to the flgs, though I'm not sure if that's legal in Finland. Maybe you need a license?

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
which is hysterical because the Necrons started out as the Super Elite army of T5 2+ save dudes (who turn off your power weapons in melee). Now they're practically a hoard army.

That was to be expected when they released the skinny dudes first plastic warriors. That's when they started going horde, and the went further down this way ever since.

That new rule book is proper hench and needs a lighter version.

 Overread wrote:
Don't forget having your own terrain means you can play outside of the store. Perhaps at home, or starting up a school or uni society etc.

In these Covid times, encouraging play from home is hardly a bad thing either.

MaxT wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Don't forget having your own terrain means you can play outside of the store. Perhaps at home, or starting up a school or uni society etc.

In these Covid times, encouraging play from home is hardly a bad thing either.

Which is why, for me and my old Luddite wayd, the 2nd Ed box was the best. Very basic but the best. Great figure count, a table full of terrain and a vehicle.

Yes the figures put the mono into monopose and the terrain and Dreadnought were card but I loved that set.

alphaecho wrote:

MaxT wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Don't forget having your own terrain means you can play outside of the store. Perhaps at home, or starting up a school or uni society etc.

In these Covid times, encouraging play from home is hardly a bad thing either.

Which is why, for me and my old Luddite wayd, the 2nd Ed box was the best. Very basic but the best. Great figure count, a table full of terrain and a vehicle.

Yes the figures put the mono into monopose and the terrain and Dreadnought were card but I loved that set.

Wasn't the model count like 2-10man monopose Marines, 20 monopose Ork Goff Boys, and 40 monopose Gretchin, card Ork Dreadnought, but there was enough card ruins to choke a horse.

That set was great. The scenario book wasn't just "learn this phase" missions, and they told a story.
There was a rules book, a fluff book, and a wargear book, as well as Wargear cards, and the number of each wargear was limited by how many of each card you owned.

The black Codex of armies was awesome!
The only thing it lacked was HQ models.

Yes, 80 figures. It was also backed up by a tidy little White Dwarf expansion with the cut out card Battle Bunker and scenario that tied into the main box contents.


Plus the control pad for the missile launcher being held in the Marine's other hand was a nice touch that didn't cross over into the plastic/ metal hybrid models.

Starter sets preorder next week

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/02/sunday-preview-new-warhammer-40000-starter-sets/

and terrain set - glad they did it on its own might get 2 depending on price.

Note about that terrain set:

The Warhammer 40,000 Command Edition Battlefield Expansion Set includes a fold-out, double-sided gaming board and a selection of 12 pieces of plastic push-fit terrain – both of which also feature in the Command Edition starter set. If you’re looking for a Combat Patrol battlefield, populated by the perfect amount of terrain, look no further. Similarly, this set serves perfectly as a supplement to the Command Edition (or another Battlefield Expansion Set) to expand the size of your gaming area and terrain collection to one suitable for Incursion-scale battles. Add another two and you’re all set for a full Strike Force battlefield, complete with terrain!

Good that they're bringing them out. Hopefully the ETB kits (Doomstalker etc) follow next week

Additionally:

There is a new paint set incoming for both the Necrons and Space Marines. They include three brand-new, push-fit Necron Warriors with gauss flayers and Assault Intercessors respectively, each in distinct poses that are different to those featured in Indomitus and the three starters sets. The sets also contain six Citadel paints, a Starter Brush and a stage-by-stage guide to help you paint your models in the colours of the Szarekhan Dynasty in the case of the Necrons, or the Ultramarines Chapter for the Space Marines. These sets are also great options for more experienced hobbyists looking to add even more variety to their Necron Warrior and Assault Intercessor Squads, or to try out the new Technical paint that features in the Necron set, Tesseract Glow.

Necron paint set may prove interesting for trying out new schemes? I mean, the paints alone I’ll find a use for, and having a few spare models for experimenting never hurts.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Good that they're bringing them out. Hopefully the ETB kits (Doomstalker etc) follow next week

Wait, those are going to be easy to build?

I believe that’s an assumption at the moment. Certainly I’ve only seen speculation, but it’s entirely possible I’ve missed something.

I like how those Necron Warriors have forgotten which parts of their guns are armoured housing and which are glowy bits...

EDIT: Also, why is the rear-most Intercessor so badly photoshopped over the top of the paintbrush..?

The terrain set looks pretty good. Roughly equivalent to a Ravaged Land or Kill Zone, so I expect it'll be around $100, which is maybe a little too much for something being sold as a starter expansion that they want you to buy 4 of. It also makes me worried about what they will charge for the Command edition, seeing as it is the Elite + terrain set + rulebook.

Edit: Is the board the same one that was recently released separately?