This Week on Warhammer Community
Throughout the next seven days, we’ll be continuing to take a look at the new season of Blood Bowl, including how to run your own league and more about the one and only Zolcath the Zoat. We’ll also be taking a look inside this year’s Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer Age of Sigmar battleforces. These always-popular boxes are a great way to start a new army (or add to an existing one) and just happen to be coming out in time for Christmas.* We also have some last-minute tips for your Armies on Parade entry, and we’ll be showing off a scenario for this year’s Christmas model, Jakkob Bugmansson XI. Finally, we’ve got a full week of programmes on Warhammer TV – check out the schedule.

Previewed in the video for this week in Warhammer at the top of this page. They show off a Gloomspite Gitz, Ogre Mawtribes, Imperial Guard, and Tau Empire battleforce.
They appear at 0:43.

Age of Sigmar preview

Warhammer Community preview of the 6 Battleforces plus the Blood Angels Combat Patrol

Battleforces were $170 to $185 (£110) last year it will be interesting to see this years prices.

I need 1 more Mancrusher Gargant but they only do the double set now so I might be tempted by the Ogors if the price is right (£60 for 2 Gargants vs. £88 for 1 plus a load of Ogors)

Starts at 0:42 in the video

Gloomspite:
6 stone trolls
1 big Dankhold troll
1 boss on squig
...14 squig riders. Somehow. The normal box is 10 from 3 sprues, so I have no idea, but there's only 14 in the shot.

Tau:
messy as usual thanks to all the drones, but it looks like:
1 Commander
1 Broadside
3 Battlesuits
10 pathfinders
10 firewarriors
1 piranha

Ogres
Giant
Cannon-chariot
4 leadbelchers
4 great weapon ogres
12 regular ogres
the new tyrant

Guard- Cadians
1 Hydra
1 HWT box
1 Sentinel
1 Chimera
1 Cadian Command Squad
2 Cadian Squads

 DaveC wrote:
Battleforces were $170 to $185 (£110) last year it will be interesting to see this years prices.

I need 1 more Mancrusher Gargant but they only do the double set now so I might be tempted by the Ogors if the price is right (£60 for 2 vs. £88 for 1 plus a load of Ogors)

Not all of them were £110, some were only £100 (and the AoS Skaven one was the only one at £120).
I fully expect them to be at least £120 this year, if not £130.

The Tau one looks particularly juicy, I'd have gotten two of them if I didn't have all those models already.

Someone already ran the prices on the AoS deals on TGA forums:


Price comparison:

Gitz:
1x Dankhold Troggoth, £40
6x Rockgut Troggoths, £70
15x Squig Hoppers, £45 (Thought there are only 14 shown in the image but the sprues are in multiples of 5 so it has to be 15)
1x Loonboss on Giant Cave Squig, £22.5


Total: £177.5


Ogors:
1x Ogor Mawtribes Tyrant, £20
1x Ironblaster, £22.5
12x Ogor Gluttons, £60
4x Ironguts, £25
4x Leadbelchers, £25
1x Mancrusher Gargant, £37.5

Total: £190


Compared to last years Gitz box:

1x Mangler Squigs, £50
3x Rockgut Troggoths, £35
1x Loonboss, £17.5
10x Squig Hoppers, £30
5x Fanatics, £25

Total: £157.5 which retailed for £110

It's hard to make a comparison with the Tau one of last year, as prices for some of those kits went up in the meantime.
The 2019 one had £152.50 of individual kits inside (using 2019 prices, before the increase of last June), sold at £100 RRP.
The 2020 one has £187.50 of individual kits inside. With a 33% off it would come at £125 RRP.

Anything between £120 and £130 RRP is a good guess for the new prices imho.

Full Price comparison:
40k:

Tau:

1x T'au Empire Commander, £35.5
3x XV8 Crisis Battlesuit Team, £45
1x XV88 Broadside Battlesuit, £32.5
1x TX4 Piranha, £22.5
10x Fire Warriors, £30
10x Pathfinder Team, £25

Total: £190.5

For comparison last Tau box is £157.5 which retailed for £100

Astra Militarum:

1x Hydra, £35
1x Chimera, £30
1x Sentinel, £22.5
5x Cadian Command Squad, £22.5
3x Cadian Heavy Weapon Squad, £25
20x Cadian Shock Troops, £45 (21 shown but you can only get them in multiples of 5 so has to be 20)

Total: £180

For comparison last Guard box is £187.5 which retailed for £100
Or the Cadian Defense Force still available: £157.5 which for £110

AOS:
Gitz:
1x Dankhold Troggoth, £40
6x Rockgut Troggoths, £70
15x Squig Hoppers, £45 (Thought there are only 14 shown in the image but the sprues are in multiples of 5 so it has to be 15)
1x Loonboss on Giant Cave Squig, £22.5

Total: £177.5

Ogors:

1x Ogor Mawtribes Tyrant, £20
1x Ironblaster, £22.5
12x Ogor Gluttons, £60
4x Ironguts, £25
4x Leadbelchers, £25
1x Mancrusher Gargant, £37.5

Total: £190

Compared to last years Gitz box:

1x Mangler Squigs, £50
3x Rockgut Troggoths, £35
1x Loonboss, £17.5
10x Squig Hoppers, £30
5x Fanatics, £25

Total: £157.5 which retailed for £110

So either the discount is way bigger (not likely) or the Battleforces will be way more expensive this year

Are Gloomspite just not selling that well? This is two years in a row that they have gotten a bundle.

 Sasori wrote:
Are Gloomspite just not selling that well? This is two years in a row that they have gotten a bundle.

Their Battleforce last year was one of the best selling ones

Yeah GW has to make these bundles so whilst I'm sure they might pick a force or two that might need some encouragement to people getting started; they are also going to focus on lines that sell really well.

Gloomspite are popular and GW wanted to push the Destruction angle more. Considering that they can't do much to bundle for Giants; they've got basically all of destruction in this already. The only ones missing are Orruks and they keep hinting at this big Waargh battle that's coming for them in the AoS lore.

Please santa, bring us a titan maniple this year!

I get the feeling its going to be 150gbp deals...

SamusDrake wrote:
Please santa, bring us a titan maniple this year!

Warbringer + 4 Castigators/Archeron is my prediction (that would be £95 gwrp so maybe it will be 2x Warbringer, or 8x Knights).

 Sasori wrote:
Are Gloomspite just not selling that well? This is two years in a row that they have gotten a bundle.

The opposite. GW determines the battleforces based on prior year sales - the best x many AoS factions (seems to be best 3 plus Stormcast) and y many 40k factions (seems to be 4-5 plus 1-2 Space Marines) get a box.

The contents of the boxes seem to be somewhat the opposite though. It seems they pair some of the best selling kits with the worst selling kits so as to try to entice people to buy the set and help them clear out excess stock of the less popular items.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Are Gloomspite just not selling that well? This is two years in a row that they have gotten a bundle.

The opposite. GW determines the battleforces based on prior year sales - the best x many AoS factions (seems to be best 3 plus Stormcast) and y many 40k factions (seems to be 4-5 plus 1-2 Space Marines) get a box.

The contents of the boxes seem to be somewhat the opposite though. It seems they pair some of the best selling kits with the worst selling kits so as to try to entice people to buy the set and help them clear out excess stock of the less popular items.

Except it's extremely unlikely they will start ripping already packed boxes...so unlikely to be existing stock

tneva82 wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Are Gloomspite just not selling that well? This is two years in a row that they have gotten a bundle.

The opposite. GW determines the battleforces based on prior year sales - the best x many AoS factions (seems to be best 3 plus Stormcast) and y many 40k factions (seems to be 4-5 plus 1-2 Space Marines) get a box.

The contents of the boxes seem to be somewhat the opposite though. It seems they pair some of the best selling kits with the worst selling kits so as to try to entice people to buy the set and help them clear out excess stock of the less popular items.

Except it's extremely unlikely they will start ripping already packed boxes...so unlikely to be existing stock

They don't necessarily package every sprue they produce immediately. They warehouse some portion of their output in an unpackaged state, as flat-packed boxes and unpackaged sprues take up less volume than the packaged boxes do. This allows them to hold a small buffer stock to accelerate restocks and maintain product availability without requiring as much space as fully packaged products do.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Are Gloomspite just not selling that well? This is two years in a row that they have gotten a bundle.

The opposite. GW determines the battleforces based on prior year sales - the best x many AoS factions (seems to be best 3 plus Stormcast) and y many 40k factions (seems to be 4-5 plus 1-2 Space Marines) get a box.

The contents of the boxes seem to be somewhat the opposite though. It seems they pair some of the best selling kits with the worst selling kits so as to try to entice people to buy the set and help them clear out excess stock of the less popular items.

Curious where you got this idea? The Battleforce assortments have also been conspicuously varied over the years, aside from obligatory Marine/Sigmarine offerings, which would suggest more of an editorial decision-making process. The sense I got was that they tried to cycle through the various factions, with certain practical limitations around price/plastic kit assortments, and nods to marketing practicalities (e.g. making Battleforces for each of the factions in a new starter box, or not making them for factions too close to a recent release window, as with Orks last year).

Anyway, just curious!

JWBS wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Please santa, bring us a titan maniple this year!

Warbringer + 4 Castigators/Archeron is my prediction (that would be £95 gwrp so maybe it will be 2x Warbringer, or 8x Knights).

Knight household with Titan support? Kinky...

An easy win would be a Warbringer, Cerastus knights and a pair of hounds.

Or they could blow our minds with three Warbringers!

You know this is one year that I really don't feel I need/want a battleforce for any of the armies I collect. I'd be happier with some insane "3 for 2" offer on big models (such as Greater Demons)

It was stated somewhere in like 2016 that thats how they were determined. Think it was a q&a at an event where the question was asked. Most of the boxes have corresponded to factions that received a release within the preceding timeframe, or are just perennial favorites (such as Tau who seem to get one almost every year)

Kinda tempted by The Gitz. I love the models.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kinda tempted by The Gitz. I love the models.

Oi!
This is the army finishing police here and you've still got your Ossiarchs!

SamusDrake wrote:

JWBS wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Please santa, bring us a titan maniple this year!

Warbringer + 4 Castigators/Archeron is my prediction (that would be £95 gwrp so maybe it will be 2x Warbringer, or 8x Knights).

Knight household with Titan support? Kinky...

An easy win would be a Warbringer, Cerastus knights and a pair of hounds.

Or they could blow our minds with three Warbringers!

if they do it, it'd be really interesting what they choose.
I'm down for another Warbringer and some diff cerastus for my Metalica.

Thats cool!
Will have to wait until they are announced and then drop not so subtle hints to my missus

Waah. I wanted terrain bundles...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Waah. I wanted terrain bundles...

We've only seen 4 of the bundles - there's still room for terrain

I got 2 of the Gloomspite sets last year, I’ll likely get 2 of these ones too.

That's an underwhelming IG box - the Hydra is about the only interesting element in there.

 Overread wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kinda tempted by The Gitz. I love the models.

Oi!
This is the army finishing police here and you've still got your Ossiarchs!

Feth The Police!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kinda tempted by The Gitz. I love the models.

Oi!
This is the army finishing police here and you've still got your Ossiarchs!

Feth The Police!

Dre would like to know if you have something to say, Ice...

The Gloomspite one looks good. Big fan of all the models in there.

As someone who wasn't around to see the other battleforces over previous Christmasses, is this the only 4 or are there likely to be more?

Last year was 6 40K, 4 AoS and 1 titanicus.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/11/30/bring-on-the-battleforces-and-more/

Cool, still gives me hope for an AdMech one then.

Yeah I held out on a lot of the new AdMech stuff because the prices were hard to justify for how often I got to use them. Would be great to see some of them in a battleforce box.

 Olthannon wrote:
Cool, still gives me hope for an AdMech one then.

You're genuinely better off getting a few Start Collectings unless the battleforce goes dramatically off the rails for what they give.

Going off what they show for the Guard and Tau ones? I'm going to stick with that statement.

I almost exclusively army build through the holiday battleforces, start collecting boxes, and the 2-player battleboxes. Between the 25% discount I get at my FLGS and the built in discount on the bundle, I can get a lot of stuff for relatively low cost. Downside is theres some stuff that doesn't make its way into these bundle sets often, so I either need to sit and wait or eventually just bite the bullet on it.

The new Combat Patrol boxes have me intrigued though, the slightly higher pricepoint is a bit of a downer but they seem to be more willing to incorporate some of the harder to come by stuff into them based on the Space Wolves (Invictor Tactical War Suit or whatever its called) and Blood Angels (Impulsor) boxes.

i do hope for another decent box for chaos, one with a daemonengine or two.

alternatively a decent one for daemons.

I’ve been specifically adding stuff to my tryranid army so as not to buy anything I just need one off. So if they do a battleforce for them this year, there will be not duplication and I can use everything. A little miffed that I started after the last one was no longer available, as it would be perfect. Fingers crossed.

Marine ones are often hit or miss. If they go with a specific chapter, that’s a lot of lost value in the upgrade sprues for me. Plus as I already have a large collection, there is a lot of redundancy. This year I am working up a primaris battle company, so have some space on the shelf for more duplicates then before. Plus I’ve not been keeping up with all the new releases (even some of the older ones) so might need some of those. Will be interesting to see the contents.

My third main army is Eldar, but due to the lack of plastic in the range, even if they did one, I doubt I’d have a use for most of the things in it.

It will be very interesting to see what we get. None of the leaked ones appeal, but I like the concept of these, and past ones have been quite nice.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Overread wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kinda tempted by The Gitz. I love the models.

Oi!
This is the army finishing police here and you've still got your Ossiarchs!

Feth The Police!

Dre would like to know if you have something to say, Ice...

Certainly. “Big Jobs”

Always been tempted by Gitz. Love my Squigs and Gobbos. Trolls too. They’re such a gloriously daft army. Overall the Ossiarchs are ace looking, and super efficient, but I see no harm in having two armies for variety. Especially two so diametrically opposed examples of order and anarchy!

I might have to grab that IG one if the price is alright with the discount

I'm betting that Ossiarch and Stormcast are the other two Age of Sigmar boxes, and then for 40k there will be a Sisters box along side the nigh-ubiquitous Space Marines box (probably two if the trend of the past two years holds up). So thats 4 AoS and 5 40k, not sure what the 6th 40k box (if there is one) would be. I think the potential options are Necrons, AdMech, Genestealer Cults, and Craftworlds, and I'll throw in Orks, Thousand Sons, and Death Guard as less likely wildcards for different reasons. Of these, I'm inclined to think Necrons or AdMech are the most likely - Necrons because its an easy sell to all the new 'cron players off of Indomitus, and AdMech because they have a bunch of new kits out and seem to be a fairly common choice for these kinds of boxes.

The question I have is whether or not they split the boxes 5 and 5 this year or add 1-2 more boxes for AoS and keep 40k at six.

There are 2 destruction boxes, Ossiarch would be Death, and Stormcast would be Order. Last year they did one box per Grand Alliance, though the year before they did 3 for Order, but I'm thinking they might want to have at least one box for each Grand Alliance so that would mean an additional AoS box over the usual 4 if they did. If there was an additional AoS box, I would guess that Slaves to Darkness, Hedonites of Slaanesh, and Disciples of Tzeentch are the most likely choices.

But we will find out soon! I am constantly refreshing warcom to see if they have posted an article on it.

You know thinking on it if they did an Ossiarch box I might be tempted - so long as it focuses on catapults, mortek guard, deathriders and such - I don't need another harvester but I'd accept it (its a cool model); but no more Morghasts please

Wouldn't be shocked if any other AoS boxes are a 'good start' for Warscroll Battalions.

My dream box would be 40 mortek guard, 10 deathriders, a crawler, and then throw in a boneshaper or soulreaper for good measure (or a leige-kavalos if they are feeling generous). Comes in within the same value range of the other boxes previewed for this year, so not completely out of the question.

BUT, realistically, if we do get an Ossiarch box, it'll probably be something like 20 mortek, 5 riders, 6 stalkers, and a gothizar plus whatever hero

If I was in the market for starting a new army, a couple of this Astra Millitarum, or Tau Boxes would be a pretty great start.

Not as big of a fan of the Gloomspite one, as there isn't a lot of synergy between those units, but they are all fantastic new kits.

There "isn't a lot of synergy" between a Dankhold Troggboss/Troggoth(same kit and options so can't tell exactly which one it's meant to be) and Rockgut Troggoths?

Between a Loonboss on Giant Cave Squig and Squig Hoppers?

That's an interesting perspective.

I think the point is more there isn't much synergy between the Troggoth grouping and the Squig grouping - or more specifically that if you're building a Squigalanche type list the Trogs aren't very useful to you, and if you're building a Trogmob the Squigs aren't very useful to you. BUT, thats really only true if you are building one or the other, as opposed to just a more generalized gloomspite force.

Added the article link to the OP.

Seem fairly solid.

CSM is great, big fan

No sisters? (although I guess they may still show as there are no marines either and they're bound to get at least one),

not that I should be getting them as i'll need the new Deathguard stuff however much or little that is

Sisters are more likely to get a Combat Patrol box built around the LE box they did at this point than anything else.

The CSM box looks really good.

The tyranid one... I'm pretty sure no player has ever just purchased a box of gargoyles, because they have been in every box set for the last 10 years.

Soo...these seem pretty great huh? Sad about no sisters box :(

I'm bummed about no Sisters, but I guess it saves me some money. I'll probably spring for a pair of the Space Marine Interdiction boxes though.

The Necron box is nice too, as is the Chaos box.

That chaos box, interests me.
Considering i was about to consider starting a dark mech shenanigan force..

Not feeling most of these.

Liked last years boxes better, especially for the factions that also got a box last year.

The CSM box particularly irks me in this regard. Its solid basics... except the daemon engine. Would have bought it if it and mallet-boy were replaced by something more functional.

And the tyranid one... ugh. Spamming the same old stuff.

The marine one makes me laugh, simply because I'd rather have the BA combat patrol. Or the DW combat patrol.
Bloody reivers.

What were the prices USD? I'd spend 150~ on that

No prices listed. Assumption would be around $170-$180ish.

Please buy our skinny marines guys. You really should love the skinny marine aesthetic, and we're giving you 40% off gwrp because they're just that good. Not-Dreadnoughts are also super cool.

Sisters technically only released this year, so they're probably going to be in a 2021 box.

Echoing the guess for Ossiarchs and Sigmarines for AoS. Maybe Nurgle if they do a Chaos box.

I really like the Vanguard Marines, if I didn't already have a heap of marines, I'd certainly start with two of those boxes, But I started my Primaris force, with two Shadowspear boxes, so I'm pretty well set!

I also like the Chaos Marines, Tau and Millitarum boxes as good "Buy two to start an army" boxes.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Age of Sigmar boxes.

I'm hoping Age of Sigmar box article goes up in 15 minutes, but they might spread the articles out over a couple more days :/

DARN IT I was hoping Necrons would not get a box after Indomitus.... especially a box mostly full of things I need/want

 Kanluwen wrote:
No prices listed. Assumption would be around $170-$180ish.

Ahhh

That's cutting it a bit close for value. 150 would be a steal

40k kits all look solid starts to a fluffy collection. No meta killers there, obviously.

The marine one is a hard pass for me. I could see some people getting some use from it. The warsuit is good, the impulsor seems useful to have. While a little pricy points-wise, I’ve been enjoying my infiltrators (but don’t know how often I’d want more then 5 in a list). Phobos captain is not horrible. Reivers are not good; I think a squad of 5 in crusade lists can offer some fun tricks, but overall still grabage. From my POV, I already own plenty of phobos armor, and dislike the look of the walker. So the only things I need are the captain and the impusor.

As a newer Nid player, I’m going to pick up that box. I’ve been holding off buying a tyrant, guessing (correctly) there would be one in this box. The Haurspex is a duel kit with the Exocrine, which last I checked were good (and on my to-buy list anyway for some backfield fire support) I hear good things about the hiveguard. It’s not a nid bundle without some stealers, so I can add these to the pile from the SC box I got (and older ones from the depths of time). Gargoyles are flappy and irritating, should be good for clogging up the battlefield. I have a handful of old metal ones, so these would let me get a respectably sized flock out there.

 Stevefamine wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
No prices listed. Assumption would be around $170-$180ish.

Ahhh

That's cutting it a bit close for value. 150 would be a steal

$150 would also be just $10 more than the Combat Patrol boxes they're starting to make a range item...so yeah, not likely to happen.
The Marine one is already $291 in contents. I'm not crunching the numbers on the rest today.

Even at $170? You're saving something like $121, if those were items you wanted anyways.
To reiterate: you save about $20 less than the cost of a Combat Patrol box if they use the $170 pricepoint.

Dwarves & Tzeench

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/16/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-battleforces-incoming/




I'm just holding out for something good for Titanicus now, otherwise it's a bust for me.

That Tzeentch set looks amazing

The Necron one is excellent as a starter set or to flesh out a small force. The Immortals and Praetorians are both multi kits too so can be made as Deathmarks or Lychguard.

 Overread wrote:
That Tzeentch set looks amazing

I was going to say the same. Fantastic box.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/16/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-battleforces-incoming/

AOS IS UP! AND NO OSSIARCHS

WTF GW WHY

chaos0xomega wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/16/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-battleforces-incoming/

AOS IS UP! AND NO OSSIARCHS

WTF GW WHY

I hope you're hungry

 jaredb wrote:

 Overread wrote:
That Tzeentch set looks amazing

I was going to say the same. Fantastic box.

Yep. And if price is right it could be best the bunch.

Wow, a Lord of Change in the Tzeentch box.

 John Prins wrote:
Wow, a Lord of Change in the Tzeentch box.

And a poor, sad, lonely Gaunt Summoner.

Quasistellar wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/16/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-battleforces-incoming/

AOS IS UP! AND NO OSSIARCHS

WTF GW WHY

I hope you're hungry

Ugh, but I already have more Ogors than I will ever be able to field, several times over.

Are the chaos terminators old mini-termies, or are they just downscaled on the image? Their terminators have been upscaled recently, right?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 John Prins wrote:
Wow, a Lord of Change in the Tzeentch box.

And a poor, sad, lonely Gaunt Summoner.

Yeah but I'll forgive GW for that. I mean, the whole box is likely to not much more than a LoC does.

How are there 14 squig riders in that box?

 Illumini wrote:
Are the chaos terminators old mini-termies, or are they just downscaled on the image? Their terminators have been upscaled recently, right?

They're the new ones, with the bad selection of cc weapons, picket fences and all. This box also proves, once again, that when gw thinks "Chaos Space Marines" they're really thinking "Black Legion".

 LunarSol wrote:
How are there 14 squig riders in that box?

The video yesterday showed 15, broken up into 2 units of Hoppers and 1 of Bounders. Might just be a photoshop snafu.
I take it back. There were 14 there. I have no idea how.


There's 4 Hoppers to the left of the Loonboss, 5 to the right, then 5 Bounders above.

 LunarSol wrote:
How are there 14 squig riders in that box?

There's only 9 Reivers on the SM box art (contents lists 10)

GW messing up the photography is nothing new. There are 15 in the box even if the art only shows 14.

JWBS wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
How are there 14 squig riders in that box?

There's only 9 Reivers on the SM box art (contents lists 10)

There's 10 Reivers.

The Gobbo set is listed as 22 models, which means something is off.


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chaos0xomega wrote:
GW messing up the photography is nothing new. There are 15 in the box even if the art only shows 14.

Honestly, my concern is just around it saying 22 models on the box rather than the photography itself.

Reivers, gross, no thanks.

Gitz one is fethed up. Should say 23 models with 15 of them being Hoppers/Bounders. There’s no way they can only provide 14 with the way the sprues are laid out, and in-game they are taken in multiples of 5.

 Kanluwen wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
How are there 14 squig riders in that box?

There's only 9 Reivers on the SM box art (contents lists 10)

There's 10 Reivers.

The Gobbo set is listed as 22 models, which means something is off.


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chaos0xomega wrote:
GW messing up the photography is nothing new. There are 15 in the box even if the art only shows 14.

Honestly, my concern is just around it saying 22 models on the box rather than the photography itself.

Only giving us 14 squidriders would mean that they literally made a new set of sprues for them, because there is no physical way to only give us 14 minis with the current sprues which come in groups of 5.

Slight amusement that Ogres and Goblins have the same model count.

That's really weird. I thought I miscounted, then I assumed it was just missing from the picture, then I saw the model count on the box. Super weird.

 LunarSol wrote:
That's really weird. I thought I miscounted, then I assumed it was just missing from the picture, then I saw the model count on the box. Super weird.

Box cover guy gonna get flogged for sure.

The promo image for the marines shows 9 Reivers, box art shows 10 and contents says 10. I'd just go by the contents, because if they do provide less than the number of models listed, GW will give you additional models up to what is listed in the contents, as they did with the Imperial Fist supremacy force a few years back (contents listed 10 Hellblasters upon initial release, box shipped with 5, anyone who bought before contents list was updated was compensated with 5 extra Hellblasters).

The Marines one is probably good value, but Reivers are poop on a stick as far as in-game usefulness so I'll most likely pass on that one. The Guard one, on the other hand, I might just pick up as my homemade Knightly House's Household Guard could use some reinforcements. I need more basic Guardsmen, I could use some HWTs that aren't Mortars, I need Wyverns, I need the special weapons from the Command Squad, and I could use a few Sentinels, so getting a little bit of each of those is all win for me. The Chimera could come in handy for something too, I'm sure.

The Tzeentch one looks really good. And I didn't even notice the gaunt summoner. The LoC kinda steals the spotlight

Obi-Wan; "If you ever wanted to play Troggoth Slayers - now is the time."

Nice sets if its a faction one is interested in, but a little disappointed in the Tyranid set as I've been looking for an excuse to purchase a Carnifex in a bundle.

Even though I'm not a fan of the faction, that Chaos Marine set looks fantastic with the updated kits. Not so keen about them using obsidius mallex as the Chaos Lord...but hey ho...he IS a Chaos Lord! Its legit! .

LOL, if the price is decent I might have a laugh with the Fungal Loonhorde set...

 Arbitrator wrote:
Echoing the guess for Ossiarchs and Sigmarines for AoS. Maybe Nurgle if they do a Chaos box.

Well, I was completely and totally wrong.

You and me both. I give up, no more reading tea leaves for me.

Tau get another battleforce???

Kinda annoying when it seems 3 of the 6 slots are always given to the exact same factions...

After not picking up any battleforces last year and not thinking I'd be interested this year that Tzeentch set has hit me for six! Yes please! Lots of cool looking culty, stabby little oiks with a Lord of Change as a centrepiece is a really nice touch.

(Similarly, 14 squigs or not the Troll set looks ace as well.)

The only thing that struck me with the 40k sets, other than how uninspired they were (for my tastes ofc!) is how dog tired the Imperial Guard kits are looking these days... vehicles are easy to sort out with adding tools, camo netting etc so not so bad but those infantry kits... yikes! Fingers firmly crossed for a fun Catachan release next year to go with those one off, special release, limited characters... waitaminute!

Jacob29 wrote:
Tau get another battleforce???

Kinda annoying when it seems 3 of the 6 slots are always given to the exact same factions...

Caught myself thinking the same thing regarding Tau but I'm guilty of buing a set from 3 or 4 years ago as a starting point for my own Tau collection so I can't say much, but previous sets were more exciting than this one imo.

That Tzeentch box looks awesome. If it’s 200 or less, that’s a steal. I do have a start collecting Slaves to Darkness laying around that I could probably pair up with it.....

Every single year there is a Tau Battleforce.

Every single time I miss them out because I almost ran out of money by this time of year, especially this one.

Just kill me already.

Jacob29 wrote:
Tau get another battleforce???

Kinda annoying when it seems 3 of the 6 slots are always given to the exact same factions...

Either the battleforces sell consistently or they have overstock consistently.

My fault about the IG one. Thats some great value - you're right.

I'll pick that up since I already have 1 hydra and 1 chimera and thats NOT ENOUGH for a list

That sad part about the Imperial Guard one is I want to start a Catachan army but its always Cadian. Wish there was a work around with the troops.

People have enough marines and don't want to buy this? Say whaaat!? Colour me surprised :p

Now imagine telling them they need to buy it to demonstrate to GW they support the faction

If I was going to buy one the Tzeentch one looks the most value. I'm guessing they would all be priced the same.
For 40k the nid one looks decent.

Alas I don't really want/need any of these :(

ballzonya wrote:
That sad part about the Imperial Guard one is I want to start a Catachan army but its always Cadian. Wish there was a work around with the troops.

The Catachan Defence Force is still available.

No Hydra or Sentinel, instead a Leman Russ. And it's available now and has been for going on 5-6 years or so.

 Argive wrote:
If I was going to buy one the Tzeentch one looks the most value. I'm guessing they would all be priced the same.
For 40k the nid one looks decent.

Alas I don't really want/need any of these :(

At least last year prices weren't all same.

MMMMMM, that Gloomspite Gitz box is extremely tempting for me, given that I recently finished painting and basing my Ironjawz army over the course of the summer. Must resist....THE GOBBOS

tneva82 wrote:

 Argive wrote:
If I was going to buy one the Tzeentch one looks the most value. I'm guessing they would all be priced the same.
For 40k the nid one looks decent.

Alas I don't really want/need any of these :(

At least last year prices weren't all same.

Were they not ?
I got the Eldar one couple of months after (wish i got 2 lol...)

The marine one is decent, but I love phobos marines. I just dont think i need that many more. I will probably just opt for the BA combat patrol.
I also don't mind reivers...cheap enough to be doing actions while other stuff is killy

Tzeentch box....

I may have to pick one up, if the price is sane, and I don't even want to play AOS........

Blastaar wrote:
Tzeentch box....

I may have to pick one up, if the price is sane, and I don't even want to play AOS........

Well that gets you　halfway to 2k army so...time to start?

 bullyboy wrote:
The marine one is decent, but I love phobos marines. I just dont think i need that many more. I will probably just opt for the B combat patrol.
I also don't mind reivers...cheap enough to be doing actions while other stuff is killy

I get that they are going for a theme, with the phobos infiltration thing. But we still have the SC: Vanguard, and Shadowspear that it came from wasn’t that long ago. So it feels like we’ve already done this box, at least from the infantry POV.

I think a lot of marine players wouldn’t mind a few phobos guys to spice up their lists, but they probably already have them. And probably don’t need this many. I think swapping half the guys for an intercessor squad would have made the box a lot more appealing and flexible, at the cost of the tight theme.

So...is the Guard one literally just a Cadian Defense Force, a box set they have had around since before I started playing, with the Russ swapped out for a Hydra and Sentinel? I guess I'd just rather see more variety there, though I suppose we should just call it lucky that they don't try to shove that Commissar kit into yet another box set...

Several of these sets seem mildly interesting, until I see something that just pulls me away and says "nope". Like the Chaos Marine box is nice, then I see those hideous Terminator sculpts and just wonder how given that these are brand new kits, why couldn't they have fixed the proportions so their arms aren't sticking out of their ears still? I like the entire Ogre box set, then I see the Giant in it and can only think that I'd rather the box be cheaper with no Giant, or to just have the Giant taken out and more Ogres put in.

Tau one looks fairly interesting, its nice to see their vehicles given a little love now and then, and the Nids looks halfway decent considering Hive Guard and Exocrine aren't normally in discount boxes.

Still, no Sisters, so hard pass for me.

To be fair with that marine box, you could very easily build the Reivers as incursors or infiltrators with the extra heads, antennae, and scopes.

It’s really not a bad set when you look at it that way, as they’re now all good useful units.

Quasistellar wrote:
To be fair with that marine box, you could very easily build the Reivers as incursors or infiltrators with the extra heads, antennae, and scopes.

It’s really not a bad set when you look at it that way, as they’re now all good useful units.

That’s fair, although it might be rough to stretch everything out to cover all the reiver bodies. Although if one of them is still using a reiver bolt carbine, and not one of the fancy infiltrator/other guys one, but is mixed in with the squad with the right helmet and backpack, you probably won’t notice.

Jesus GW, figure it out. If you want people to buy reivers make them worth taking.

Justyn wrote:
Jesus GW, figure it out. If you want people to buy reivers make them worth taking.

Or just make us buy them in EVERY bundle box.

How many do they show up in? It’s a shockingly high percentage.

But it would not take a whole lot to make them more viable, rules wise. But they would have to actually do something.

That Marine one looks pretty coo... oh... Reivers.

 Overread wrote:
That Tzeentch set looks amazing

I wonder how it will compare to the last Tzeentch box, which was 20 Acolytes, 20 Tzaangors, 3 Skyfyres and a Tzaangor Shaman.

Torn on the Kharadron set.

I’m not interested myself, because Gitz. But on one hand, it’s a lot of useful stuff. But, it doesn’t strike me as a cohesive force unto itself?

Tzeentch one is a clear winner though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Tzeentch one is a clear winner though.

It is, but there's no way it doesn't cost at least $50 USD more than the others.

tneva82 wrote:

Blastaar wrote:
Tzeentch box....

I may have to pick one up, if the price is sane, and I don't even want to play AOS........

Well that gets you　halfway to 2k army so...time to start?

Eh, probably not. I wouldn't use 'em in 9th 40k, either. Maybe 9th Age. Reaper's Warlord. I dunno. If it's well under $200 it'd be worth it still for painting. I can find a gaming use for 'em eventually.

The Necron box is tempting if the price is good, don't have a Triarch Stalker or the flyer yet, more warriors would be useful and don't have any Deathmarks. I do have a unit each of Lychguard and Triarch Praetorians, but could always make the alternate options for one (or bulk up the numbers). Not sure I need another Canoptek Spyder or Technomancer, but still could be worthwhile.

Just from discussion here and a few other places I get the impression that the Tzeentch box will be the first to sell out.

I notice there isn't any Eldar boxes at all this time.
I guess they didn't fancy shoving a load of Wraith units in a box for Craftworlds again.

 dan2026 wrote:
I notice there isn't any Eldar boxes at all this time.
I guess they didn't fancy shoving a load of Wraith units in a box for Craftworlds again.

That and they’re being squatted.

An inside man told me.

(No, not really. I was temporarily possessed by spikybits)

 dan2026 wrote:
I notice there isn't any Eldar boxes at all this time.
I guess they didn't fancy shoving a load of Wraith units in a box for Craftworlds again.

I was going to reply with "they can only do that so many times" then I realised they keep putting out very samey boxes for guard, tau and nids have had more stealers in boxes than they want, need or deserve to be punished with.

Speculation.

Lack of Gaunts in the Nid box - possible sign they’re getting redone for the Codex?

That tyranid one is pretty much perfect to fill out my 2k list. As is the necron one.

Only one will be purchased though, now I just need to decide which.

A price would be amazing right about now GW.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
I notice there isn't any Eldar boxes at all this time.
I guess they didn't fancy shoving a load of Wraith units in a box for Craftworlds again.

That and they’re being squatted.

An inside man told me.

(No, not really. I was temporarily possessed by spikybits)

But Rob is a “hobby expert”!

No Sigmarine box, clearly Stormcasts are dead and GW is re-rebooting AoS.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Speculation.

Lack of Gaunts in the Nid box - possible sign they’re getting redone for the Codex?

Nah. Gw just can't resist dumping genestealers in every single time they do a nid box.
But this is excessive even for them.

 Crazyterran wrote:
No Sigmarine box, clearly Stormcasts are dead and GW is re-rebooting AoS.

I got the one from last year and was pretty sweet cant complain.


That dwarf box is errr cute like... 10 models?

Oh man that Tzeentch box... I’m mad tempted to start up a Tzeentch army if it’s a decent discount.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
No Sigmarine box, clearly Stormcasts are dead and GW is re-rebooting AoS.

I got the one from last year and was pretty sweet cant complain.


That dwarf box is errr cute like... 10 models?

10 models but like 900 points. It's pretty legit, as you can just convert Brokk to a regular floaty Endrinmaster and that right there is a legal 1000 point list (if endrinmaster is your leader, endrinriggers are battleline, IIRC) with room to add some Arkanauts or Thunderers on your Frigate.

Interesting there's no stormcast box, I guess that's because they've just got a broken realms box? I wonder if that suggests the ones we got christmas boxes for won't get broken realms boxes (if we get more of those).

Quasistellar wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
No Sigmarine box, clearly Stormcasts are dead and GW is re-rebooting AoS.

I got the one from last year and was pretty sweet cant complain.


That dwarf box is errr cute like... 10 models?

10 models but like 900 points. It's pretty legit, as you can just convert Brokk to a regular floaty Endrinmaster and that right there is a legal 1000 point list (if endrinmaster is your leader, endrinriggers are battleline, IIRC) with room to add some Arkanauts or Thunderers on your Frigate.

Doesn't look or fell like an army force... its just 10 floating lollipops...

Will defo consider purchasing the Tzeentch, SM & AM boxes, hopefully the price will be a pleasant surprise.

I'm weirdly happy that there is no Stormcast box this year, I have an irrational dislike of them (although the female models are admittedly much better than the males).

No Orks in either game system’s boxes

Justyn wrote:
Jesus GW, figure it out. If you want people to buy reivers make them worth taking.

They know the Space Marine sets always sell out regardless of the contents, be that to scalpers or impulse buyers, so they probably figure this is a good way of shifting stock with guarantee they'll be bought.

Ashaar wrote:
Interesting there's no stormcast box, I guess that's because they've just got a broken realms box? I wonder if that suggests the ones we got christmas boxes for won't get broken realms boxes (if we get more of those).

GW's AoS team seemed to realise and accept that Marines don't need to be the focus 95% of the time I suppose and I'm not complaining. Regardless of the Sigmarines much more 'subdued' popularity they're still the poster boys of AoS (no matter how little GW milks it compared to 40k) and expected a Battleforce for that reason.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Marine one looks pretty coo... oh... Reivers.

 Overread wrote:
That Tzeentch set looks amazing

I wonder how it will compare to the last Tzeentch box, which was 20 Acolytes, 20 Tzaangors, 3 Skyfyres and a Tzaangor Shaman.

It was 6 skyfires/enlightened for 47 models total.

The Lord of Change has gone up quite a bit in price over the last two years and the skyfires have always been "overpriced" which diminishes the value of the box a little in my mind. It is a bit like when you are about to take advantage of a Buy One Get One Free offer at the supermarket but realise the product was £1.20 last month, but is now £2.00 this month, you are still making a saving but they fudged it a little to reduce the saving.

Still swapping a Shaman for a Gaunt Summonr and 10 Tzaangors / 3 Skyfires for a Lord of Change will be an improvement if the price stays the same.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Justyn wrote:
Jesus GW, figure it out. If you want people to buy reivers make them worth taking.

They know the Space Marine sets always sell out regardless of the contents, be that to scalpers or impulse buyers, so they probably figure this is a good way of shifting stock with guarantee they'll be bought.

Ashaar wrote:
Interesting there's no stormcast box, I guess that's because they've just got a broken realms box? I wonder if that suggests the ones we got christmas boxes for won't get broken realms boxes (if we get more of those).

GW's AoS team seemed to realise and accept that Marines don't need to be the focus 95% of the time I suppose and I'm not complaining. Regardless of the Sigmarines much more 'subdued' popularity they're still the poster boys of AoS (no matter how little GW milks it compared to 40k) and expected a Battleforce for that reason.

I dunno man. This one seems bit like a dudd for SM.
Compared to Dark imperium, SC, shadowspear & indomitus its the worse of the bunch and most people would have got all of those or bits they wanted by now.
One might buy it for the invictor but then trying to offload the rest is going to be hard.

I wouldn't bother to scalp it.
And I've scalped a bunch of stuff before..

The Tzeentch is tempting, and I am not playing AoS. As I already have nearly all the contents of the Necron box, not interested, but I'd recommend it to someone interested in starting Necrons. And Reivers again? Waste of points, and more importantly, money.

All of that is contingent on price, and recent releases (like Warcry: Catacombs at US $210) have left me saying "no way."

 Argive wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

Justyn wrote:
Jesus GW, figure it out. If you want people to buy reivers make them worth taking.

They know the Space Marine sets always sell out regardless of the contents, be that to scalpers or impulse buyers, so they probably figure this is a good way of shifting stock with guarantee they'll be bought.

Ashaar wrote:
Interesting there's no stormcast box, I guess that's because they've just got a broken realms box? I wonder if that suggests the ones we got christmas boxes for won't get broken realms boxes (if we get more of those).

GW's AoS team seemed to realise and accept that Marines don't need to be the focus 95% of the time I suppose and I'm not complaining. Regardless of the Sigmarines much more 'subdued' popularity they're still the poster boys of AoS (no matter how little GW milks it compared to 40k) and expected a Battleforce for that reason.

I dunno man. This one seems bit like a dudd for SM.
Compared to Dark imperium, SC, shadowspear & indomitus its the worse of the bunch and most people would have got all of those or bits they wanted by now.
One might buy it for the invictor but then trying to offload the rest is going to be hard.

I wouldn't bother to scalp it.
And I've scalped a bunch of stuff before..

I just want the Reivers, I think maybe I'll buy the battleforce, keep the Reivers, and try to sell the rest (but this does seem stupid and illogical, much like you wanting to buy it for just the Invictor and trying to sell the rest. Literally buying £150+ worth of discounted stuff, just because the bundle includes something worth £30 that you want).

I said invictor coz invictor is the one thats come up the least in all the boxes. I think hes been only in the vanguard space marine box?. Its really good/popular on table so people would want 2-3. Therefore I could see somebody trying to recoup costs for that one unit if they already havent got some a shes £37.50 solo.

Im thinking about this from a purely re-selling value / actual current value and not what GW online store says...

With a generous estimated £110 price tag(after FLG discoun) for the box in the currently saturated market I think you would struggle make a profit after P&P and ebay commission costs.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
The Tzeentch is tempting, and I am not playing AoS.

The Tzeentch is tempting, but I already have an LoC and a Gaunt Summoner (both versions, actually). All the extra stuff would be nice though.

Honestly, although not a X-Mas bundle, the new Blood Angel box is the best one of the lot. I just don't have much love for that Librarian. I'd convert Tiggy into a regular Primaris Libby, but of course, a Primaris Libby can't get a Force Staff because no model/no rule.

No, I'm actually thinking of getting the box for just the Reivers. Like I said, this makes no sense. I probably won't do it.

If you do actually want to flip stuff though, I don't think this box will be good for it due to the fact that everyone (except me) hates Reivers, and the SW/BA boxes have infiltrator/Invictor/Floaty rhino.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
The Tzeentch is tempting, and I am not playing AoS.

The Tzeentch is tempting, but I already have an LoC and a Gaunt Summoner (both versions, actually). All the extra stuff would be nice though.

Honestly, although not a X-Mas bundle, the new Blood Angel box is the best one of the lot. I just don't have much love for that Librarian. I'd convert Tiggy into a regular Primaris Libby, but of course, a Primaris Libby can't get a Force Staff because no model/no rule.

Yeah, I'm honestly surprised they bothered to do and SM box with all the combat patrols. They're just... better. Especially the BA box.

JWBS wrote:
No, I'm actually thinking of getting the box for just the Reivers. Like I said, this makes no sense. I probably won't do it.

If you do actually want to flip stuff though, I don't think this box will be good for it due to the fact that everyone (except me) hates Reivers, and the SW/BA boxes have infiltrator/Invictor/Floaty rhino.

Fair enough. Genuinely though you were sarcastic XD

I think ebay will be a much better way of procuring more Reivers.
Of course if you dont mind doing the leg work and have nothing better to do might be worth it.
I recon you'd maybe break even minus the rievers price of box pending.
Or better still wait until the box hits the market and the price drops once people start reselling.

Currently you can get 5 reivers for about £16-17 including P&P on ebay.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Torn on the Kharadron set.

But on one hand, it’s a lot of useful stuff. But, it doesn’t strike me as a cohesive force unto itself?

Same. It seems to me that the box would be better served by having the Endrineer in Dirigible Suit rather than Brokk Grungsson. I honestly don't understand why Brokk Grungsson doesn't also make Skyriggers into Battleline units. That would make so much sense given his background and his Warscroll abilities.

Don't really understand the Reiver hate. It's a decent statline, has deep strike capabilities (in a game where movement is key), can perform actions since it's shooting isn't amazing, has a couple of decent strats that can increase their usefulness. i get that in a book full of amazing options they don't look great, but they stack up reasonably well to opposing enemy units that may occupy the backfield.
I like 'em.

For me, as far as marine units go they are probably one of the ones I like. The silly skull faces are silly and cool

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
The Tzeentch is tempting, and I am not playing AoS.

The Tzeentch is tempting, but I already have an LoC and a Gaunt Summoner (both versions, actually). All the extra stuff would be nice though.

Honestly, although not a X-Mas bundle, the new Blood Angel box is the best one of the lot. I just don't have much love for that Librarian. I'd convert Tiggy into a regular Primaris Libby, but of course, a Primaris Libby can't get a Force Staff because no model/no rule.

Don't forget the Lord of Change model also make the two headed character version too (I forget his name).

Kairos.

Tzeentch one also looks pretty close to a playable force straight out of the box - if one forgoes summoning Daemons.

It’s certainly a really solid building block. Add in a couple of boxes of Horrors, maybe a chariot or two and (a meta I’ve not business commenting on not withstanding) you’re pretty much set!

 bullyboy wrote:
Don't really understand the Reiver hate. It's a decent statline, has deep strike capabilities (in a game where movement is key), can perform actions since it's shooting isn't amazing, has a couple of decent strats that can increase their usefulness. i get that in a book full of amazing options they don't look great, but they stack up reasonably well to opposing enemy units that may occupy the backfield.
I like 'em.

9th had been kind to them, but it might not be enough. They are a bit overpriced, and while they have a lot of deployment/movement options, they need to pay more to get them. Their damage output is a bit light, so even when they do get where they need to be, they are not getting anything done quickly. A lot of what they do can be done better, cheeper, by other units.

We also have a bad habit of discussing things in superlatives here. A unit is either broken or trash. (or “just fine” if it’s a broken unit in your army). Reivers are the terminators of the primaris line. Not in the 2+ veteran sense,. but in the “this unit kinda sucks, how can we fix them” sense. There have been a number of threads. But the marine list is a bit on the cramped side, so it’s hard for them to find their niche.

They have some use, but you overpay, and they are just OK. You probably don’t want more then 5 on the shelf, and they have been in a few bundles. Every bundle box has a few lemon units that drag the value down for most people. Reivers are it here. If you like them, go for it. They work OKish as a bully unit. A lot of the same things were said about assault marines back in the day, and I got good use out of those.

EightFoldPath wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Marine one looks pretty coo... oh... Reivers.

 Overread wrote:
That Tzeentch set looks amazing

I wonder how it will compare to the last Tzeentch box, which was 20 Acolytes, 20 Tzaangors, 3 Skyfyres and a Tzaangor Shaman.

It was 6 skyfires/enlightened for 47 models total.

The Lord of Change has gone up quite a bit in price over the last two years and the skyfires have always been "overpriced" which diminishes the value of the box a little in my mind. It is a bit like when you are about to take advantage of a Buy One Get One Free offer at the supermarket but realise the product was £1.20 last month, but is now £2.00 this month, you are still making a saving but they fudged it a little to reduce the saving.

Still swapping a Shaman for a Gaunt Summonr and 10 Tzaangors / 3 Skyfires for a Lord of Change will be an improvement if the price stays the same.

I agree with your theory but £1.20 to £2 is over the top. There are laws on price increasing for the purpose of just doing that, maximum increases etc.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kairos.

Tzeentch one also looks pretty close to a playable force straight out of the box - if one forgoes summoning Daemons.

It’s certainly a really solid building block. Add in a couple of boxes of Horrors, maybe a chariot or two and (a meta I’ve not business commenting on not withstanding) you’re pretty much set!

Ogor　is 1060 plus gargant(warscroll builder on whc doesn't allow adding one though so can't check points) and legal force right there. Not even super bad at that

Still no prices?

They don't go up on Saturday, so we weren't getting prices this week.

We'll probably get them next week.

That they've gone up now suggests that GW is in the process of shipping them out to distributors and such. Which is also when we typically start to see people break NDA to leak the info.

So GW is likely just realising that and being pro-active in shutting that down by showing it off themselves even if its a few weeks before the stuff is up for order.

I’m slightly tempted to start an Iron Warriors army with that chaos box.

Though chaos suck atm don’t they?

 Kanluwen wrote:
They don't go up on Saturday, so we weren't getting prices this week.

We'll probably get them next week.

If gw keeps codex pace pattern same next sunday death guard and blood angels gets announced

The good news is that you don’t even have long to wait – you can pre-order the Gladiator kit on Saturday the 28th of November, so get ready to start blowing your enemies away by the handful! If you haven’t already picked up a copy of Codex: Space Marines, grab yours today and start swatting up on the rules for these fearsome war machines.

At the very least, the Gladiator is coming on the 28th. So BA+DG sounds likely then too.

Assuming there's enough stock to go around... I mean there's plenty out of stock now even before Christmas season...

Last year the boxes lasted until around February or so here in the US for the most popular ones on the GW site. It's because they made them Direct Only rather than stocked on the shelves.

I'd expect sets to go out of stock pretty quick this year. It wouldn't surprise me if several vanish before Christmas itself.

A mix of higher demand and lower supply, perhaps with increased impact overseas compared to UK.

 Overread wrote:
I'd expect sets to go out of stock pretty quick this year. It wouldn't surprise me if several vanish before Christmas itself.

A mix of higher demand and lower supply, perhaps with increased impact overseas compared to UK.

I tend to agree with this assessment. If not for my need of the Necron box, I'd be tempted to get this year's Tzeentch box. Still, these remain great force builders for new players...and old players building up new forces.

Slightly OTT.

As a former BA player, I was wondering about the BA combat patrol; are any of the included units good for close combat? I'd have expected Bladeguard Veterans, Assault Intercessors, and (bleech!) Primaris Reivers, although GW probably wants to keep the first two units Starter Set exclusive for now to drive sales.

Rumours (and they are only rumours from an FLGS) on B&C and few other places that these are priced in the £140- £150/ €180 - €200/ $230- $250 range.

That'll be a hard no from me then...

 DaveC wrote:
Rumours (and they are only rumours from an FLGS) on B&C and few other places that these are priced in the £140- £150/ €180 - €200/ $230- $250 range.

Thats how I imagined them to be priced.
No surprises.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Rumours (and they are only rumours from an FLGS) on B&C and few other places that these are priced in the £140- £150/ €180 - €200/ $230- $250 range.

Thats how I imagined them to be priced.
No surprises.

Agreed. I was gonna dispute it, but once I actually sit and price the boxes out for retail, it looks more likely.

Nid box needed to be 50% off given the actual contents. Since it's not and I'm not looking to increase my back log these are a hard no for me. Sadly.

that's cute, if this is the actual price.

If its over $200 Im cutting my planned buy from 7 boxes down to just one.

chaos0xomega wrote:
If its over $200 Im cutting my planned buy from 7 boxes down to just one.

Yeah, the 180-190 price tag on the Tzeentch might have gotten me. The Nid one is just so bad if you don't want Genestealers since those are 25% of the box value. The ogre one is great except for the giant but if it was below $200 that'd be an option. Most of them just have 1 to many "issue" models that if it's over $200 for the set the discount doesn't really make up for.

 bullyboy wrote:
Don't really understand the Reiver hate. It's a decent statline, has deep strike capabilities (in a game where movement is key), can perform actions since it's shooting isn't amazing, has a couple of decent strats that can increase their usefulness. i get that in a book full of amazing options they don't look great, but they stack up reasonably well to opposing enemy units that may occupy the backfield.
I like 'em.

They are literally worse assault marines costing more, and having none of assault marines melee options or pistols/special weapons. And assault marines are widely considered rather bad unit. Add to that the fact Reiver tricks are difficult/underwhelming in use and you have perfect blend for mediocrity.

I love how Reivers look, but their rules had been pants from the start. And when their assault bolter got no buffs when identical Intercessor one did (plus knives staying the same bad default CCW when chainswords got buff, even though they use power knives in fluff) they become even worse in comparison.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
As a former BA player, I was wondering about the BA combat patrol; are any of the included units good for close combat? I'd have expected Bladeguard Veterans, Assault Intercessors, and (bleech!) Primaris Reivers, although GW probably wants to keep the first two units Starter Set exclusive for now to drive sales.

All can, kind of. Aggressors are good in melee, BA Intercessors with assault bolters and upgraded sarge are decent CC troops (doubly so when upgraded to veterans or DC), and Incursors funnily enough are close match for Reivers while having better shooting. So, yeah.

The only one I'm definitely in for is the Gloomspite Gitz box, one copy. If the boxes are sub-200 then I'd also be springing for 2x each of the Marine, Necron, and Chaos boxes.

 Hulksmash wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
If its over $200 Im cutting my planned buy from 7 boxes down to just one.

Yeah, the 180-190 price tag on the Tzeentch might have gotten me.

With a retail value of $312 USD and containing a model that retails for $140 alone, there's absolutely no way the Tzeentch one was going to be below $200.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
If its over $200 Im cutting my planned buy from 7 boxes down to just one.

Yeah, the 180-190 price tag on the Tzeentch might have gotten me.

With a retail value of $312 USD and containing a model that retails for $140 alone, there's absolutely no way the Tzeentch one was going to be below $200.

Disagree. There's a decent chance you're looking at a 40% saving with these boxes (from what I've seen from speculation elsewhere). If your $312 calculation is correct, there's every possibility this will be $190.

They should have remade the zone mortalis hive warzone for $185... that sold out instantly and was a great terrain boxset

It would have been a good set for 40K killteam or necromunda too
Plus remade the floor tiles which have sold out forever

Terrain wise I'm still wishing for a return of Firestorm Redoubt and Aquila Strongpoints, etc. so I can round out my wall of martyrs collection, but I suppose I could do with a couple more large sets of ZM terrain.

JWBS wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
If its over $200 Im cutting my planned buy from 7 boxes down to just one.

Yeah, the 180-190 price tag on the Tzeentch might have gotten me.

With a retail value of $312 USD and containing a model that retails for $140 alone, there's absolutely no way the Tzeentch one was going to be below $200.

Disagree. There's a decent chance you're looking at a 40% saving with these boxes (from what I've seen from speculation elsewhere). If your $312 calculation is correct, there's every possibility this will be $190.

Pretty optimistic expecting GW to make deals BETTER than last year. Looking at last year it was more like 28-33% discount. Wouldn't be expecting 40% discount. With GW odds are good discount % will rather go down than up.

GW can be very hard to predict at times. Many consider the price on the new Warcry Catacombs - a boxed set GW expects to last long term - too much. Yet at the same time the new Bloodbowl for two full teams and everything is only £85 which is much less than most were expecting for; again; another long term box.

We got the same with Ossiarchs - a very fairly priced army; and Lumineth - a rather high priced army.
Which is doubly odd when you consider that Ossiarchs are very elite and small in number and Lumineth are middle ground (lots more troops).



It's almost as if GW has two full teams - one aiming for sane balanced armies internally and between armies; and fair prices. Then another that's just the opposite.

JWBS wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
If its over $200 Im cutting my planned buy from 7 boxes down to just one.

Yeah, the 180-190 price tag on the Tzeentch might have gotten me.

With a retail value of $312 USD and containing a model that retails for $140 alone, there's absolutely no way the Tzeentch one was going to be below $200.

Disagree. There's a decent chance you're looking at a 40% saving with these boxes (from what I've seen from speculation elsewhere). If your $312 calculation is correct, there's every possibility this will be $190.

You're deluding yourself if you honest expect these to be 40% off. 25-30% is the best they've done for these holiday deals in the past.

So there are terrain bundles after all.

Forge World Battlefield:


Chaos Invasion Battlefield:


Festering Factorum Battlefield:


T'au Empire Tidewall Battlefield


Cargoport Battlefield:


And they're not your typical GW bundle where you get everything inside for the same price as buying them separately. They appear to be 10%-15% discounts.

I'd actually get the cargoport one, except it's sold out.

Ah, but they're "heres a bunch of individual kits" bundles as opposed to the "we stuffed a box full of sprues" bundles. The discount is surprising, but meh.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Ah, but they're "heres a bunch of individual kits" bundles as opposed to the "we stuffed a box full of sprues" bundles.

A distinction without a difference. They're discounted bundles. From GW. That's amazing in and of itself, even if you can go to a 20% discounter and still get everything cheaper.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Ah, but they're "heres a bunch of individual kits" bundles as opposed to the "we stuffed a box full of sprues" bundles.

A distinction without a difference. They're discounted bundles. From GW. That's amazing in and of itself, even if you can go to a 20% discounter and still get everything cheaper.

There is a difference - The ones that come repackaged into a bespoke box I can buy at 25% off at my FLGS using an employee discount for additional savings. These do nothing for me.

The Chaos Invasion one is a bit odd, with the SoB terrain kit in there.

And if you're playing on a sensible board size, I imagine it is still cheaper to buy the terrain kits alone, as those boards will be padding the price of the set somewhat.

Skip. Bad size, doesn't really save vs buying from flgs.

 Dysartes wrote:
The Chaos Invasion one is a bit odd, with the SoB terrain kit in there.

I guess this is an invasion of a Shrine World, and some desecration has taken place.

 Dysartes wrote:
And if you're playing on a sensible board size, I imagine it is still cheaper to buy the terrain kits alone, as those boards will be padding the price of the set somewhat.

Agreed.

Does GW only sell a single board now? I notice they all have the same one.

They've never sold another of that style separately before. They've always been inside Killteam Killzones or things like Warcry.

So right now that's all they sell. I'd imagine there will be other surface types in the future.

Pre order next Saturday

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/22/sunday-preview-big-army-boxes-for-christmas/

Assault Intercessors Ahoy.

CM Valrak has the U.K. prices as £120-£125

Which is nice.

From B&C

£120 = €150, $195
£125 = €160, $210

is that more than last year? Seems a little bit steep.

Same prices if memory serves.

Gloomspite has around £180ish worth of gubbins, so a decent saving, even from GW Direct. But if I can get it further discounted, I of course will.

Well atleast you do get some savings out of those battleforces.

Althought what caught my eye was that Gladiator costing more then basic Repulsor but that is on separate topic.

IIRC they were £100 / €130 for many years.

Contents seem to have gone up proportionally to price tho, so discount % is the same?

if the BF is under 200CHF over here i get myself a chaos one and a bunch of amirigers.

£27.50 for 5 and a single upgrade sprue.

Meanwhile it's £35 for 10 Intercessors.

 Platuan4th wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
If its over $200 Im cutting my planned buy from 7 boxes down to just one.

Yeah, the 180-190 price tag on the Tzeentch might have gotten me.

With a retail value of $312 USD and containing a model that retails for $140 alone, there's absolutely no way the Tzeentch one was going to be below $200.

Disagree. There's a decent chance you're looking at a 40% saving with these boxes (from what I've seen from speculation elsewhere). If your $312 calculation is correct, there's every possibility this will be $190.

You're deluding yourself if you honest expect these to be 40% off. 25-30% is the best they've done for these holiday deals in the past.

Looks like 34% for that box this year (in £), but GWrp still pushes it significantly beyond $200 anyway.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
IIRC they were £100 / €130 for many years.

Contents seem to have gone up proportionally to price tho, so discount % is the same?

Last year prices were not identical for every box at least. (at least not in dollars that i were able to find when i checked discount %)

Ogre one bit cheaper than　i expected. Good.

I really like how new tank is more expensive than Land Raider or Repulsor. Especially when you can just grab Baal predator and convert it slightly for half the price...

 TalonZahn wrote:
£27.50 for 5 and a single upgrade sprue.

Meanwhile it's £35 for 10 Intercessors.

Or 36.5 for new ones

 TalonZahn wrote:
£27.50 for 5 and a single upgrade sprue.

Meanwhile it's £35 for 10 Intercessors.

So £17.50 for 5, plus £9 for the upgrade frame, which would give... £26.50?

GW, we need to talk about your ability to perform basic calculations...

Same applies to the Hounds - and given Ragnar-is is priced at £26.50 on GW.com, we know that's a possible price point!

This really shouldn't come as a shock about the DC Intercessors. The Combat Squads, when they were available, were $35USD/5 vs $60 for 10.

 Dysartes wrote:
GW, we need to talk about your ability to perform basic calculations...

Technically they were 20£ when separate, so in GW land it's still a "discount". If you squint and don't try to think, at least.

I really miss DW 7th edition release with free upgrade sprues, I got Terminator box with three, today it would be twice the price

 Dysartes wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
£27.50 for 5 and a single upgrade sprue.

Meanwhile it's £35 for 10 Intercessors.

So £17.50 for 5, plus £9 for the upgrade frame, which would give... £26.50?

GW, we need to talk about your ability to perform basic calculations...

Same applies to the Hounds - and given Ragnar-is is priced at £26.50 on GW.com, we know that's a possible price point!

It's new kit. Thus getting price hike.

Really looking at old sku　prices is pretty futile with　gw

You'd still get more mileage out of buying the old DC and the new Intercessors box.

The upgrade frame has nothing compared to the bits in the old DC box.

 TalonZahn wrote:
You'd still get more mileage out of buying the old DC and the new Intercessors box.

The upgrade frame has nothing compared to the bits in the old DC box.

The bog standard 10 Intercessors box is no longer on GW webstore though, it's "SOLD OUT ONLINE - No longer available Online" (not simply "Temporarily out of stock Online"). Eliminators as well.
Probably a repack, but they could cost more when they put them on the webstore again.

Anyone know what these prices mean in American? Are we looking at the $170-$200 price point?

chaos0xomega wrote:
Anyone know what these prices mean in American? Are we looking at the $170-$200 price point?

We haven't seen a price sheet yet(or at least I haven't found one), but they line up like this:
Bastion Platoon(Guard), Interdiction Force(Loyalists), Fungal Loonhorde(Gitz), Decimation Warband(Traitor Marines)--$200USD apparently.

Eradication Legion(Necrons), Starpulse Cadre(Tau), Broodswarm(Tyranids), Meatgrinder Warglutt(Ogors), Barak-Nar Skyfleet(Overlords), and Fatesworn Host(Disciples of Tzeentch)--$210USD(matches Catacombs)

For a breakdown, starting with AoS:
Fatesworn Host is $312 in contents.
Barak-Nar is $308 in contents.
Meatgrinder Warglutt is $246 in contents plus a standard Gargant(which has no single model price anymore, being only sold in a 2 pack at $125)
Fungal Loonhorde is $270 in contents(with some weirdness thanks to being seemingly intended to be 15 Squig Hoppers--so a box and a half).


40k:
Bastion Platoon is $292 in contents.
Interdiction Force is $291 in contents.
Decimation Warband is $280 in contents.
Starpulse Cadre is $309 in contents.
Broodswarm is $313 in contents(?!? when did Tyrant Guard go to $70?!)
Eradication Legion is $319 in contents.

Updated after I found a pricesheet floating in the aether. $200 for the first batch not $195.

Goblin/Trolls is the worst saving then?
Even though one of the coolest boxes..

Unless my calculator failed me, that seems to be the case.

I should add that I'm figuring the "missing Squig Hopper" is just a photoshop snafu. Otherwise, that box goes down by $35 as the Loonboss on Giant Cave Squig might have been intended to be the missing 15th Squig Hopper.

That Tau box is phenomenal for starting that army. If I was in the place to start a new army, I'd love to get two of those.

hmm.. tough decision...

A greater deamon is a cool thing to have

Are we sure it’s 15 squigs? The box shows only 14 AND the number of minis described on the box wouldn’t add up, if it’s 15 squigs.
I understand, that the guy behind photoshop might’ve messed up, but surely they wouldn’t make 2 mistakes on 1 box cover?

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Are we sure it’s 15 squigs? The box shows only 14 AND the number of minis described on the box wouldn’t add up, if it’s 15 squigs.
I understand, that the guy behind photoshop might’ve messed up, but surely they wouldn’t make 2 mistakes on 1 box cover?

Shortly after the image went out they confirmed on Facebook that it's 15 Squig Hoppers the box image and number is wrong but it's too late to change it now.

Warhammer Age of Sigmar - There are 15 Hoppers in the box, one of them just bounced off before the photoshoot.

£125ish on average is a nice price point considering we'd heard rumours of £140. Necron and Tyranid sets tempt me a lot; the Necron has a lot I want the Tyranid some big key items.

Sadly I'm burned out so chances are I might have to let them pass or cross my fingers that some sets survive. The Tyranid might, the Necron I think will sell out reasonably fast.


Tzeentch I think will sell out the fastest.

If they only had Squigs on that box and no trolls it would be a sweet squid avalanche. I would be all over it but 6 trolls... meh

 NAVARRO wrote:
If they only had Squigs on that box and no trolls it would be a sweet squid avalanche. I would be all over it but 6 trolls... meh

Seriously? Squigs are in every Git bundle. You could search for last years Gitz box, it has only 3 trolls and then just squigs for days.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
Are we sure it’s 15 squigs? The box shows only 14 AND the number of minis described on the box wouldn’t add up, if it’s 15 squigs.
I understand, that the guy behind photoshop might’ve messed up, but surely they wouldn’t make 2 mistakes on 1 box cover?

There's no way it could be　14 unless they do expensive　custom mould to screw players over(you take them in multiples of 5).

Do you think gw pays tens of thousands for　crappy mould when they could use　good one for free

And in other news my wallet is happy there#s no slaves to darkness box. Been dreaming of Archaon　led one. About 1k pts of sod box would　have been thus super tempting...

tneva82 wrote:

There's no way it could be　14 unless they do expensive　custom mould to screw players over(you take them in multiples of 5).

Do you think gw pays tens of thousands for　crappy mould when they could use　good one for free

Yeah I really don't know why we have to do this dance for weeks on end every time there's a copy paste error somewhere. Like poeple have no clue how manufacturing works.

The picture and number both being wrong is easily answered by one looked at the other.
I.e. they forgot in the photo shoot to pop him in, and whoever did the box art just counted the models they saw.

I wouldn’t say there’s a bad model in that set. All nice sculpts.

The ogres are calling to me. They just look like the most heft for the price. That and a start collecting box I think will make a decent starter horde. Not really feeling the call of any of the other boxes. Trolls come as a distant second.

Please be aware that while you can mix the beastclaw (monster rider) ogres with foot ogres (gutbusters), their respective buffs don't really wok on each other, which is something to keep in mind when planning an ogre army.

Which has been a proble for me starting AoS using my old armies from Fantasy.
Mostly I had all foot ogres and 4 Mournfang plus a cannon (and scraplauncher but they fit either ok I think?).
Was just too split between the two for getting the perks.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
If they only had Squigs on that box and no trolls it would be a sweet squid avalanche. I would be all over it but 6 trolls... meh

Seriously? Squigs are in every Git bundle. You could search for last years Gitz box, it has only 3 trolls and then just squigs for days.

Come one you know us collectors are always way to picky XD

Last years had trolls and fanatics on the box too and I only managed to get the Stormcast box instead (sweet box that one).

But a box with just all types of Squigs would be quite nice to see.

The trolls are a bit of a money waste since kits are expensive and they take a considerable portion of box total.

Trolls are cool though! Massive fumpy clubs! Ideal for buttering enemy units up the board

Definitely getting me the Gitz. If I can get my Ossiarch infantry painted by the end of the week.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Trolls are cool though! Massive fumpy clubs! Ideal for buttering enemy units up the board

Definitely getting me the Gitz. If I can get my Ossiarch infantry painted by the end of the week.

not gonna lie, even if i dislike the AOS universe, the loonies box draws me...

Danny76 wrote:
Which has been a proble for me starting AoS using my old armies from Fantasy.
Mostly I had all foot ogres and 4 Mournfang plus a cannon (and scraplauncher but they fit either ok I think?).
Was just too split between the two for getting the perks.

good news, sled-cannon is gutbuster unit as is scrap launcher. Only mournfangs are beastclaw, and having 1 unit of them in an otherwise gutbuster army won't ruin anything.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Trolls are cool though! Massive fumpy clubs! Ideal for buttering enemy units up the board

Definitely getting me the Gitz. If I can get my Ossiarch infantry painted by the end of the week.

Does have additional bonus for me I could use them with ogor army too...

Ooooh temptations temptations. But it's only like 890 pts in the box :-( Would need tons of more models to get to 2k

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Trolls are cool though! Massive fumpy clubs! Ideal for buttering enemy units up the board

Definitely getting me the Gitz. If I can get my Ossiarch infantry painted by the end of the week.

Does have additional bonus for me I could use them with ogor army too...

Ooooh temptations temptations. But it's only like 890 pts in the box :-( Would need tons of more models to get to 2k

3 boxes for maximum Troll? With squig side dish?

tneva82 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Trolls are cool though! Massive fumpy clubs! Ideal for buttering enemy units up the board

Definitely getting me the Gitz. If I can get my Ossiarch infantry painted by the end of the week.

Does have additional bonus for me I could use them with ogor army too...

Ooooh temptations temptations. But it's only like 890 pts in the box :-( Would need tons of more models to get to 2k

Why not buy two?



Reckon I’ll get one, a pair of Start Collecting, and some of those delightfully impractical but suitably bouncy Squig dice.

Haha considered that. With giant from ogor box would get me to 1900. Not sure how useful army that is and 3 boxes total would be...expensive.

(let's see if wayland ships these for free out of UK or are these classified as bulky)

I’m likely shopping with Darksphere myself.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m likely shopping with Darksphere myself.

31£ shipping fees there says "no thanks"

Wayland provides free shipping to Finland provided cost excees 60£. Not applicable for bulky items(so Indominatus for example) which makes shipping cost money.

Dark sphere seems to have no such thing. Tried what it would cost for 2 slaves to darkness SC box. Above price...31£ extra is...a lot. Haven't calculated it but even with crazy euro rate GW use pretty sure FLGS provides cheaper option!

 lord_blackfang wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

There's no way it could be　14 unless they do expensive　custom mould to screw players over(you take them in multiples of 5).

Do you think gw pays tens of thousands for　crappy mould when they could use　good one for free

Yeah I really don't know why we have to do this dance for weeks on end every time there's a copy paste error somewhere. Like poeple have no clue how manufacturing works.

Maybe not everyone remembers how many squigs there are per sprue 5 is a logical answer, although it’s not like GW didn’t make kits with various numbers of minis per sprue.

Fair. Suspect these might fall into bulky? Really depends on how they define it.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Fair. Suspect these might fall into bulky? Really depends on how they define it.

That's the thing. Sometimes they have stuff bulky I didn't expect, sometimes reverse. For example lumineth start set I was able to get just fine with free shipping.

That's why I'm waiting for saturday. Can't say one way or another until that.

Might be worth noting that U.K. shipping depends on the dimensions and the weight.

If memory serves, anything up to 2kg is regular post, but over that it’s Parcel Force and a significant jump in price.

Which reminds me...I’ve got a mystery Parcel Force parcel to collect. They tried to deliver yesterday, but they’re seemingly baffled by the concept of doorbells. I’m not expecting anything that would require Parcel Force, and I’ve only two outstanding deliveries at the moment (Beskar Mando, sent last night) and the Ltd Chaplain (which has a different tracking ref). Gonna go grab it at lunch, and until then hope it’s a PS5 from.....somewhere!

Not Online!!! wrote:
not gonna lie, even if i dislike the AOS universe, the loonies box draws me...

I bought Squigs and Squid Riders just to use them in Warhammer Quest. The minis are that cool.

I want some of the new Stone Troll just for Quest as well.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
not gonna lie, even if i dislike the AOS universe, the loonies box draws me...

I bought Squigs and Squid Riders just to use them in Warhammer Quest. The minis are that cool.

I want some of the new Stone Troll just for Quest as well.

i will just get the csm one and another bunch of amirigers for forge /mauler conversion.

still. the loonies in general have an nice interesting look and still and i am a sucker for any type of gobbo, be it the old world variants or the loonies.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
not gonna lie, even if i dislike the AOS universe, the loonies box draws me...

I bought Squigs and Squid Riders just to use them in Warhammer Quest. The minis are that cool.

I want some of the new Stone Troll just for Quest as well.

Squid Riders really should be an Idoneth unit...

Cronch wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Which has been a proble for me starting AoS using my old armies from Fantasy.
Mostly I had all foot ogres and 4 Mournfang plus a cannon (and scraplauncher but they fit either ok I think?).
Was just too split between the two for getting the perks.

good news, sled-cannon is gutbuster unit as is scrap launcher. Only mournfangs are beastclaw, and having 1 unit of them in an otherwise gutbuster army won't ruin anything.

Oh... don’t say that.
Now the only thing preventing me is being bothered to change 28 bases to round by prying them off..

Looking into getting the Necrons one for sure, and perhaps the Tzeentch one.

Danny76 wrote:

Cronch wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Which has been a proble for me starting AoS using my old armies from Fantasy.
Mostly I had all foot ogres and 4 Mournfang plus a cannon (and scraplauncher but they fit either ok I think?).
Was just too split between the two for getting the perks.

good news, sled-cannon is gutbuster unit as is scrap launcher. Only mournfangs are beastclaw, and having 1 unit of them in an otherwise gutbuster army won't ruin anything.

Oh... don’t say that.
Now the only thing preventing me is being bothered to change 28 bases to round by prying them off..

Not entirely convinced people care that much about bases in AoS. I might be wrong though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

Cronch wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
Which has been a proble for me starting AoS using my old armies from Fantasy.
Mostly I had all foot ogres and 4 Mournfang plus a cannon (and scraplauncher but they fit either ok I think?).
Was just too split between the two for getting the perks.

good news, sled-cannon is gutbuster unit as is scrap launcher. Only mournfangs are beastclaw, and having 1 unit of them in an otherwise gutbuster army won't ruin anything.

Oh... don’t say that.
Now the only thing preventing me is being bothered to change 28 bases to round by prying them off..

Not entirely convinced people care that much about bases in AoS. I might be wrong though.

Bases absolutely matter in AoS. They need to be the correct size and shape.

Which in this case is square, since that's what they were sold with. They might not be tournament-legal but in a normal game who cares?

Also. Found last year’s Gobbo boxed set on eBay. For £120.00

I am resisting for now....

Cronch wrote:
Which in this case is square, since that's what they were sold with. They might not be tournament-legal but in a normal game who cares?

Eh so long as abilities, threat ranges, close combat distances etc.. are all measured from the base then - yeah bases do matter. Sure in casual play people might let it slide. But honestly if you're buying into the game new or you want to get in "properly" then the right base is almost a must.

This doesn't mean I like the whole mess GW made by changing bases between the games and then some random changes since updates. But at the same time if you want the game to work right; then the right base makes it work how it should at least.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not entirely convinced people care that much about bases in AoS. I might be wrong though.

Depends on the group. I'm getting this secondhand from friends who play AoS and Kings of War, and so want to keep their WHFB on square bases for KoW (and avoid the bother and expense of changing them to rounds). They say the pure AoS players (who started fantasy miniature gaming with AoS) bitch and moan about how the smaller square bases are giving my friends an unfair advantage.

Nice thing about the bases (either style) is that they are hollow underneath. Put metal under the square base and a magnet under the newer AOS base. Set it on top and then you have the base to measure from legally, and when not in use the square base has extra weight to it.

The next complaint will be "but then it doesn't look right", most armies I see are not fully painted, so if it's just a base looking off I'd be fine. YOMV.

But like everyone has said, it depends upon the group you play with and if your playing at events/tournaments. If your on the tournament scene, then your pretty invested in the game and changing the bases won't be that big of a deal. If your just playing for fun and with friends it's probably not a big deal what bases your on. If they complain about the bases as you set up, just tell them you give them a 1" range boost affecting all units on squares and I think they will chill out.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not entirely convinced people care that much about bases in AoS. I might be wrong though.

Depends on the group. I'm getting this secondhand from friends who play AoS and Kings of War, and so want to keep their WHFB on square bases for KoW (and avoid the bother and expense of changing them to rounds). They say the pure AoS players (who started fantasy miniature gaming with AoS) bitch and moan about how the smaller square bases are giving my friends an unfair advantage.

Advantage in some ways, disadvantage　in others. In general i rather play vs square bases than somebody who has issue with them. More fun game quaranteed

 Overread wrote:

Cronch wrote:
Which in this case is square, since that's what they were sold with. They might not be tournament-legal but in a normal game who cares?

Eh so long as abilities, threat ranges, close combat distances etc.. are all measured from the base then - yeah bases do matter. Sure in casual play people might let it slide. But honestly if you're buying into the game new or you want to get in "properly" then the right base is almost a must.

This doesn't mean I like the whole mess GW made by changing bases between the games and then some random changes since updates. But at the same time if you want the game to work right; then the right base makes it work how it should at least.

This, exactly. The core mechanics of the game are based on base size, and it makes a huge difference. I'm not sure why it's a controversial opinion that the game should be played on the base type and sizes that it's designed for.

 Sasori wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Cronch wrote:
Which in this case is square, since that's what they were sold with. They might not be tournament-legal but in a normal game who cares?

Eh so long as abilities, threat ranges, close combat distances etc.. are all measured from the base then - yeah bases do matter. Sure in casual play people might let it slide. But honestly if you're buying into the game new or you want to get in "properly" then the right base is almost a must.

This doesn't mean I like the whole mess GW made by changing bases between the games and then some random changes since updates. But at the same time if you want the game to work right; then the right base makes it work how it should at least.

This, exactly. The core mechanics of the game are based on base size, and it makes a huge difference. I'm not sure why it's a controversial opinion that the game should be played on the base type and sizes that it's designed for.

Is that really the 'controversial opinion' at hand?
Or is it more that people don't feel like being forced to rebase models?
That's a non-trivial task, especially for painted models that they don't want damaged.

Voss wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Cronch wrote:
Which in this case is square, since that's what they were sold with. They might not be tournament-legal but in a normal game who cares?

Eh so long as abilities, threat ranges, close combat distances etc.. are all measured from the base then - yeah bases do matter. Sure in casual play people might let it slide. But honestly if you're buying into the game new or you want to get in "properly" then the right base is almost a must.

This doesn't mean I like the whole mess GW made by changing bases between the games and then some random changes since updates. But at the same time if you want the game to work right; then the right base makes it work how it should at least.

This, exactly. The core mechanics of the game are based on base size, and it makes a huge difference. I'm not sure why it's a controversial opinion that the game should be played on the base type and sizes that it's designed for.

Is that really the 'controversial opinion' at hand?
Or is it more that people don't feel like being forced to rebase models?
That's a non-trivial task, especially for painted models that they don't want damaged.

I doubt most people like rebasing models, I know don't, but it's a part of the upkeep of the game that sometimes has to happen. AoS has been out long enough that I don't think it's reasonable at this point to be bringing square bases to a game where base size and shape matters significantly.

I can commiserate that it sucks to rebase models, most of us have been there, but I also think it's a little selfish to not put in the effort for correct base sizes for a game system that approaching 6 years old at this point.

Voss wrote:
Or is it more that people don't feel like being forced to rebase models?
That's a non-trivial task, especially for painted models that they don't want damaged.

But no one forces you to? Even the thing suggested earlier, putting your square bases on correct sized circles (which would also account for slightly higher new bases) would be perfectly fine and show you're willing to put minimum of effort to play the army as intended.

Then there is the fact a lot of people look at square/smaller bases (in case of 40K) with suspicion because of WAAAC types who put them even on brand new models that were sold with something else just to model for advantage as all they care about is winning, not having fun...

Rebasing is a pain especially if you've spent time and money making wonderful looking bases only to be told to tear them off because someone at GW rules decided to do that. some of the base changes (like square to round) are totally arbitrary.

I think there's also pushback because people don't want it to become something normal that GW does every time they can. Ergo they fear entering a time where each new battletome/codex will come with a rafter of base size changes. Perhaps in the metal age this might have worked better with the slots as at least then you could slot and not glue; but in todays market with a lot more scenery and fine connection points people do not want to be scraping plastic off plastic to chagne be sizes - or building stacked towers of base atop base atop base.

I think for 40K its made worse because they don't make a base size chart. So for someone getting in new it can be confusing, especially when there's both old and new stock on the market so you can easily buy a model with "old" bases, build them an then find that they are "wrong". It's why I try to encourage people to write to GW and ask for a base size chart for 40K; the one for AoS is utterly invaluable for anyone new or coming back or picking up old models etc...

 Sasori wrote:

 Overread wrote:

Cronch wrote:
Which in this case is square, since that's what they were sold with. They might not be tournament-legal but in a normal game who cares?

Eh so long as abilities, threat ranges, close combat distances etc.. are all measured from the base then - yeah bases do matter. Sure in casual play people might let it slide. But honestly if you're buying into the game new or you want to get in "properly" then the right base is almost a must.

This doesn't mean I like the whole mess GW made by changing bases between the games and then some random changes since updates. But at the same time if you want the game to work right; then the right base makes it work how it should at least.

This, exactly. The core mechanics of the game are based on base size, and it makes a huge difference. I'm not sure why it's a controversial opinion that the game should be played on the base type and sizes that it's designed for.

because we remember when the game was introduced and it was 100% fine and "legal" to play on old bases? To my knowledge GW never really backed from that statement. If you have old WFB models, there is no obligation to rebase them except for tournament pack rules which are their own thing really.

And let's be honest, a game where there is "true LOS" in that you can snipe a model's ear isn't going to be balanced enough to worry about "unfair advantage". AoS is my game of choice, and anyone who cares this much about balance in that mess of a system is really playing the wrong game.

One of the things I really liked about Warmachine was having only a handful of well defined base sizes and who went on what, plus the magic cylinder LoS and defining terrain as blocking to models of X base size. There Were a handful of exceptions where you saw a couple normal dudes combined onto a single larger base, and a special rule that said they counted as the smaller base for all LoS purposes, but that was rare.

Cronch wrote:


because we remember when the game was introduced and it was 100% fine and "legal" to play on old bases? To my knowledge GW never really backed from that statement. If you have old WFB models, there is no obligation to rebase them except for tournament pack rules which are their own thing really.

And let's be honest, a game where there is "true LOS" in that you can snipe a model's ear isn't going to be balanced enough to worry about "unfair advantage". AoS is my game of choice, and anyone who cares this much about balance in that mess of a system is really playing the wrong game.

GW has never taken their game seriously/strictly in terms of rules. So their official stance has nearly always been "do what you want they are your models." The only time that changes is when you play in an event then its "follow the event guidelines" or in a GW event/store where its the same plus "use GW models only - with some leeway for conversions using majority GW parts etc.."

Basically GW doesn't care and doesn't want to be seen to care. They have had odd spots though, like the whole "use the subfaction your army is painted as" at events, which was, I think, mostly a marine focused rule that was messy for other factions (GW basically didn't want space wolves playing as ultramarines); but also something that got a lot of pushback.

GW changing the bases and then making bases gameplay relevant was a massive dick move that is the main reason I don't play GW games any more. I use my models for game systems that don't make a fuss about base size, which is completely possible to do and not even complicated to make rules for.

I also despise the scale creep caused by the 32mm bases, and hate how much space they take up and how they mess with conventions that have been part of this hobby for nearly 50 years.

I rebase new models that come with 32mm onto 25mm and if I cannot do that, I do not buy the models (like the new marines and chaos space marines). If I ever decide I want to play a GW game again, I will use 32mm flats and blue tack or otherwise temporarily affix my models onto them, but I really think GW messed up big time with this stuff.

I mean game bases have been part of the gameplay for as long as I can recall. Centre of the base, edge of the base. In Old World and 40K they were always a thing.

Sure Old World had some flexibility in letting you use movement trays for expedience, but in general the base was still part of the game.

It's more GW's shift toward changing them in recent years that's been an issue.

Almost all of the hate for square bases I've seen has come nigh-exclusively from that sect of hardcore AoS fanboys who resent anything to do with WHFB and gleefully point and laugh whenever an old model is squat'ed (and were not happy about TOW's announcement). By contrast, whilst I'm sure it's absolutely a thing, the amount of tournament players I've seen gripe about it are minimal by comparison. My understanding is still that GW doesn't really give a toss, beyond them being Citadel models.

All of my Cities of Sigmar stuff - which was 99% bought when WHFB was still a thing - remains on square bases and won't be moving off 'em.

I find square bases kind of ugly personally. They worked when everything was ranking up in blocks, but I hate them on skirmishing models, which everything is now.

Also I really prefer the 32s over 28s. 28s didn’t bother me in the day, but now they just look too small when I do see models on them. Also getting into Necrons after playing Primaris for a couple years it’s weird to see some characters not being on 40s.

 Overread wrote:
Rebasing is a pain especially if you've spent time and money making wonderful looking bases only to be told to tear them off because someone at GW rules decided to do that. some of the base changes (like square to round) are totally arbitrary.

I think there's also pushback because people don't want it to become something normal that GW does every time they can. Ergo they fear entering a time where each new battletome/codex will come with a rafter of base size changes. Perhaps in the metal age this might have worked better with the slots as at least then you could slot and not glue; but in todays market with a lot more scenery and fine connection points people do not want to be scraping plastic off plastic to chagne be sizes - or building stacked towers of base atop base atop base.

I think for 40K its made worse because they don't make a base size chart. So for someone getting in new it can be confusing, especially when there's both old and new stock on the market so you can easily buy a model with "old" bases, build them an then find that they are "wrong". It's why I try to encourage people to write to GW and ask for a base size chart for 40K; the one for AoS is utterly invaluable for anyone new or coming back or picking up old models etc...

Then again in 40k 9ed pretty much killed any advantage for smaller base so actually you are disadvantaging yourself. Traditional claim for advantage was "more models in ranks" though in practice ork boyz etc you didn't get more boyz into combat against anybody even quarter competent. You only lost area control.

But in 9e it's 2 rank period whether you are 15mm base or 120mm base. 2 ranks, no more.

Bigger bases do have annoying effect of removing tactics and importance of movement from game though. Especially if you don't up the board size.

Well quite the side topic I’ve sprung up..

As cities of Sigmar are mentioned. Yeah my huge Empire and VC armies, they’re not ever gonna be rebased, way too many bases/work to do there.

The Ogres however are enough models that it could be done..
It would just mean removing by cutting, and then buying some rounds and working on them etc...
(Are they on the same size rounds? I.e. would they still fit in the movement trays that were for the squares - 50mm I think off hand)

 Arbitrator wrote:
Almost all of the hate for square bases I've seen has come nigh-exclusively from that sect of hardcore AoS fanboys who resent anything to do with WHFB and gleefully point and laugh whenever an old model is squat'ed (and were not happy about TOW's announcement).

Thankfully that "fan club" is very small in number - at least that's my impression of them.

 Overread wrote:
Rebasing is a pain especially if you've spent time and money making wonderful looking bases only to be told to tear them off because someone at GW rules decided to do that. some of the base changes (like square to round) are totally arbitrary.

There are good reasons why many people didn't like that change, but it certainly wasn't arbitrary. It enabled GW to transform their main fantasy game and removed many of the constraints on figure design imposed by using the old square bases in rank and flank style units.

The change opened the door to Age of Sigmar which directly led to a massive increase in the popularity of their fantasy offering. It's one of the best business moves they've made in the last ten years.

Square bases always look a bit rubbish if they're not in an ordered unit.