Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

JWBS wrote:
No, I'm actually thinking of getting the box for just the Reivers. Like I said, this makes no sense. I probably won't do it.

If you do actually want to flip stuff though, I don't think this box will be good for it due to the fact that everyone (except me) hates Reivers, and the SW/BA boxes have infiltrator/Invictor/Floaty rhino.

Fair enough. Genuinely though you were sarcastic XD

I think ebay will be a much better way of procuring more Reivers.
Of course if you dont mind doing the leg work and have nothing better to do might be worth it.
I recon you'd maybe break even minus the rievers price of box pending.
Or better still wait until the box hits the market and the price drops once people start reselling.

Currently you can get 5 reivers for about £16-17 including P&P on ebay.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Torn on the Kharadron set.

But on one hand, it’s a lot of useful stuff. But, it doesn’t strike me as a cohesive force unto itself?

Same. It seems to me that the box would be better served by having the Endrineer in Dirigible Suit rather than Brokk Grungsson. I honestly don't understand why Brokk Grungsson doesn't also make Skyriggers into Battleline units. That would make so much sense given his background and his Warscroll abilities.

Don't really understand the Reiver hate. It's a decent statline, has deep strike capabilities (in a game where movement is key), can perform actions since it's shooting isn't amazing, has a couple of decent strats that can increase their usefulness. i get that in a book full of amazing options they don't look great, but they stack up reasonably well to opposing enemy units that may occupy the backfield.
I like 'em.

For me, as far as marine units go they are probably one of the ones I like. The silly skull faces are silly and cool

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
The Tzeentch is tempting, and I am not playing AoS.

The Tzeentch is tempting, but I already have an LoC and a Gaunt Summoner (both versions, actually). All the extra stuff would be nice though.

Honestly, although not a X-Mas bundle, the new Blood Angel box is the best one of the lot. I just don't have much love for that Librarian. I'd convert Tiggy into a regular Primaris Libby, but of course, a Primaris Libby can't get a Force Staff because no model/no rule.

Don't forget the Lord of Change model also make the two headed character version too (I forget his name).

Kairos.

Tzeentch one also looks pretty close to a playable force straight out of the box - if one forgoes summoning Daemons.

It’s certainly a really solid building block. Add in a couple of boxes of Horrors, maybe a chariot or two and (a meta I’ve not business commenting on not withstanding) you’re pretty much set!

 bullyboy wrote:
Don't really understand the Reiver hate. It's a decent statline, has deep strike capabilities (in a game where movement is key), can perform actions since it's shooting isn't amazing, has a couple of decent strats that can increase their usefulness. i get that in a book full of amazing options they don't look great, but they stack up reasonably well to opposing enemy units that may occupy the backfield.
I like 'em.

9th had been kind to them, but it might not be enough. They are a bit overpriced, and while they have a lot of deployment/movement options, they need to pay more to get them. Their damage output is a bit light, so even when they do get where they need to be, they are not getting anything done quickly. A lot of what they do can be done better, cheeper, by other units.

We also have a bad habit of discussing things in superlatives here. A unit is either broken or trash. (or “just fine” if it’s a broken unit in your army). Reivers are the terminators of the primaris line. Not in the 2+ veteran sense,. but in the “this unit kinda sucks, how can we fix them” sense. There have been a number of threads. But the marine list is a bit on the cramped side, so it’s hard for them to find their niche.

They have some use, but you overpay, and they are just OK. You probably don’t want more then 5 on the shelf, and they have been in a few bundles. Every bundle box has a few lemon units that drag the value down for most people. Reivers are it here. If you like them, go for it. They work OKish as a bully unit. A lot of the same things were said about assault marines back in the day, and I got good use out of those.

EightFoldPath wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
That Marine one looks pretty coo... oh... Reivers.

 Overread wrote:
That Tzeentch set looks amazing

I wonder how it will compare to the last Tzeentch box, which was 20 Acolytes, 20 Tzaangors, 3 Skyfyres and a Tzaangor Shaman.

It was 6 skyfires/enlightened for 47 models total.

The Lord of Change has gone up quite a bit in price over the last two years and the skyfires have always been "overpriced" which diminishes the value of the box a little in my mind. It is a bit like when you are about to take advantage of a Buy One Get One Free offer at the supermarket but realise the product was £1.20 last month, but is now £2.00 this month, you are still making a saving but they fudged it a little to reduce the saving.

Still swapping a Shaman for a Gaunt Summonr and 10 Tzaangors / 3 Skyfires for a Lord of Change will be an improvement if the price stays the same.

I agree with your theory but £1.20 to £2 is over the top. There are laws on price increasing for the purpose of just doing that, maximum increases etc.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Kairos.

Tzeentch one also looks pretty close to a playable force straight out of the box - if one forgoes summoning Daemons.

It’s certainly a really solid building block. Add in a couple of boxes of Horrors, maybe a chariot or two and (a meta I’ve not business commenting on not withstanding) you’re pretty much set!

Ogor　is 1060 plus gargant(warscroll builder on whc doesn't allow adding one though so can't check points) and legal force right there. Not even super bad at that

Still no prices?

They don't go up on Saturday, so we weren't getting prices this week.

We'll probably get them next week.

That they've gone up now suggests that GW is in the process of shipping them out to distributors and such. Which is also when we typically start to see people break NDA to leak the info.

So GW is likely just realising that and being pro-active in shutting that down by showing it off themselves even if its a few weeks before the stuff is up for order.

I’m slightly tempted to start an Iron Warriors army with that chaos box.

Though chaos suck atm don’t they?

 Kanluwen wrote:
They don't go up on Saturday, so we weren't getting prices this week.

We'll probably get them next week.

If gw keeps codex pace pattern same next sunday death guard and blood angels gets announced

The good news is that you don’t even have long to wait – you can pre-order the Gladiator kit on Saturday the 28th of November, so get ready to start blowing your enemies away by the handful! If you haven’t already picked up a copy of Codex: Space Marines, grab yours today and start swatting up on the rules for these fearsome war machines.

At the very least, the Gladiator is coming on the 28th. So BA+DG sounds likely then too.

Assuming there's enough stock to go around... I mean there's plenty out of stock now even before Christmas season...

Last year the boxes lasted until around February or so here in the US for the most popular ones on the GW site. It's because they made them Direct Only rather than stocked on the shelves.

I'd expect sets to go out of stock pretty quick this year. It wouldn't surprise me if several vanish before Christmas itself.

A mix of higher demand and lower supply, perhaps with increased impact overseas compared to UK.

 Overread wrote:
I'd expect sets to go out of stock pretty quick this year. It wouldn't surprise me if several vanish before Christmas itself.

A mix of higher demand and lower supply, perhaps with increased impact overseas compared to UK.

I tend to agree with this assessment. If not for my need of the Necron box, I'd be tempted to get this year's Tzeentch box. Still, these remain great force builders for new players...and old players building up new forces.

Slightly OTT.

As a former BA player, I was wondering about the BA combat patrol; are any of the included units good for close combat? I'd have expected Bladeguard Veterans, Assault Intercessors, and (bleech!) Primaris Reivers, although GW probably wants to keep the first two units Starter Set exclusive for now to drive sales.

Rumours (and they are only rumours from an FLGS) on B&C and few other places that these are priced in the £140- £150/ €180 - €200/ $230- $250 range.

That'll be a hard no from me then...

 DaveC wrote:
Rumours (and they are only rumours from an FLGS) on B&C and few other places that these are priced in the £140- £150/ €180 - €200/ $230- $250 range.

Thats how I imagined them to be priced.
No surprises.

 NAVARRO wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Rumours (and they are only rumours from an FLGS) on B&C and few other places that these are priced in the £140- £150/ €180 - €200/ $230- $250 range.

Thats how I imagined them to be priced.
No surprises.

Agreed. I was gonna dispute it, but once I actually sit and price the boxes out for retail, it looks more likely.

Nid box needed to be 50% off given the actual contents. Since it's not and I'm not looking to increase my back log these are a hard no for me. Sadly.

that's cute, if this is the actual price.

If its over $200 Im cutting my planned buy from 7 boxes down to just one.

chaos0xomega wrote:
If its over $200 Im cutting my planned buy from 7 boxes down to just one.

Yeah, the 180-190 price tag on the Tzeentch might have gotten me. The Nid one is just so bad if you don't want Genestealers since those are 25% of the box value. The ogre one is great except for the giant but if it was below $200 that'd be an option. Most of them just have 1 to many "issue" models that if it's over $200 for the set the discount doesn't really make up for.

 bullyboy wrote:
Don't really understand the Reiver hate. It's a decent statline, has deep strike capabilities (in a game where movement is key), can perform actions since it's shooting isn't amazing, has a couple of decent strats that can increase their usefulness. i get that in a book full of amazing options they don't look great, but they stack up reasonably well to opposing enemy units that may occupy the backfield.
I like 'em.

They are literally worse assault marines costing more, and having none of assault marines melee options or pistols/special weapons. And assault marines are widely considered rather bad unit. Add to that the fact Reiver tricks are difficult/underwhelming in use and you have perfect blend for mediocrity.

I love how Reivers look, but their rules had been pants from the start. And when their assault bolter got no buffs when identical Intercessor one did (plus knives staying the same bad default CCW when chainswords got buff, even though they use power knives in fluff) they become even worse in comparison.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
As a former BA player, I was wondering about the BA combat patrol; are any of the included units good for close combat? I'd have expected Bladeguard Veterans, Assault Intercessors, and (bleech!) Primaris Reivers, although GW probably wants to keep the first two units Starter Set exclusive for now to drive sales.

All can, kind of. Aggressors are good in melee, BA Intercessors with assault bolters and upgraded sarge are decent CC troops (doubly so when upgraded to veterans or DC), and Incursors funnily enough are close match for Reivers while having better shooting. So, yeah.

The only one I'm definitely in for is the Gloomspite Gitz box, one copy. If the boxes are sub-200 then I'd also be springing for 2x each of the Marine, Necron, and Chaos boxes.