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I’m likely shopping with Darksphere myself.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m likely shopping with Darksphere myself.


31£ shipping fees there says "no thanks"

Wayland provides free shipping to Finland provided cost excees 60£. Not applicable for bulky items(so Indominatus for example) which makes shipping cost money.

Dark sphere seems to have no such thing. Tried what it would cost for 2 slaves to darkness SC box. Above price...31£ extra is...a lot. Haven't calculated it but even with crazy euro rate GW use pretty sure FLGS provides cheaper option!

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
tneva82 wrote:

There's no way it could be 14 unless they do expensive custom mould to screw players over(you take them in multiples of 5).

Do you think gw pays tens of thousands for crappy mould when they could use good one for free


Yeah I really don't know why we have to do this dance for weeks on end every time there's a copy paste error somewhere. Like poeple have no clue how manufacturing works.


Maybe not everyone remembers how many squigs there are per sprue 5 is a logical answer, although it’s not like GW didn’t make kits with various numbers of minis per sprue.
   
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Fair. Suspect these might fall into bulky? Really depends on how they define it.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Fair. Suspect these might fall into bulky? Really depends on how they define it.


That's the thing. Sometimes they have stuff bulky I didn't expect, sometimes reverse. For example lumineth start set I was able to get just fine with free shipping.

That's why I'm waiting for saturday. Can't say one way or another until that.

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Might be worth noting that U.K. shipping depends on the dimensions and the weight.

If memory serves, anything up to 2kg is regular post, but over that it’s Parcel Force and a significant jump in price.

Which reminds me...I’ve got a mystery Parcel Force parcel to collect. They tried to deliver yesterday, but they’re seemingly baffled by the concept of doorbells. I’m not expecting anything that would require Parcel Force, and I’ve only two outstanding deliveries at the moment (Beskar Mando, sent last night) and the Ltd Chaplain (which has a different tracking ref). Gonna go grab it at lunch, and until then hope it’s a PS5 from.....somewhere!

   
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not gonna lie, even if i dislike the AOS universe, the loonies box draws me...
I bought Squigs and Squid Riders just to use them in Warhammer Quest. The minis are that cool.

I want some of the new Stone Troll just for Quest as well.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
not gonna lie, even if i dislike the AOS universe, the loonies box draws me...
I bought Squigs and Squid Riders just to use them in Warhammer Quest. The minis are that cool.

I want some of the new Stone Troll just for Quest as well.


i will just get the csm one and another bunch of amirigers for forge /mauler conversion.

still. the loonies in general have an nice interesting look and still and i am a sucker for any type of gobbo, be it the old world variants or the loonies.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
not gonna lie, even if i dislike the AOS universe, the loonies box draws me...
I bought Squigs and Squid Riders just to use them in Warhammer Quest. The minis are that cool.

I want some of the new Stone Troll just for Quest as well.


Squid Riders really should be an Idoneth unit...

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...

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You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling.
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Cronch wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
Which has been a proble for me starting AoS using my old armies from Fantasy.
Mostly I had all foot ogres and 4 Mournfang plus a cannon (and scraplauncher but they fit either ok I think?).
Was just too split between the two for getting the perks.

good news, sled-cannon is gutbuster unit as is scrap launcher. Only mournfangs are beastclaw, and having 1 unit of them in an otherwise gutbuster army won't ruin anything.


Oh... don’t say that.
Now the only thing preventing me is being bothered to change 28 bases to round by prying them off..
   
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Danny76 wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
Which has been a proble for me starting AoS using my old armies from Fantasy.
Mostly I had all foot ogres and 4 Mournfang plus a cannon (and scraplauncher but they fit either ok I think?).
Was just too split between the two for getting the perks.

good news, sled-cannon is gutbuster unit as is scrap launcher. Only mournfangs are beastclaw, and having 1 unit of them in an otherwise gutbuster army won't ruin anything.


Oh... don’t say that.
Now the only thing preventing me is being bothered to change 28 bases to round by prying them off..


Not entirely convinced people care that much about bases in AoS. I might be wrong though.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Danny76 wrote:
Which has been a proble for me starting AoS using my old armies from Fantasy.
Mostly I had all foot ogres and 4 Mournfang plus a cannon (and scraplauncher but they fit either ok I think?).
Was just too split between the two for getting the perks.

good news, sled-cannon is gutbuster unit as is scrap launcher. Only mournfangs are beastclaw, and having 1 unit of them in an otherwise gutbuster army won't ruin anything.


Oh... don’t say that.
Now the only thing preventing me is being bothered to change 28 bases to round by prying them off..


Not entirely convinced people care that much about bases in AoS. I might be wrong though.


Bases absolutely matter in AoS. They need to be the correct size and shape.

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Which in this case is square, since that's what they were sold with. They might not be tournament-legal but in a normal game who cares?
   
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Also. Found last year’s Gobbo boxed set on eBay. For £120.00

I am resisting for now....

   
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Cronch wrote:
Which in this case is square, since that's what they were sold with. They might not be tournament-legal but in a normal game who cares?



Eh so long as abilities, threat ranges, close combat distances etc.. are all measured from the base then - yeah bases do matter. Sure in casual play people might let it slide. But honestly if you're buying into the game new or you want to get in "properly" then the right base is almost a must.

This doesn't mean I like the whole mess GW made by changing bases between the games and then some random changes since updates. But at the same time if you want the game to work right; then the right base makes it work how it should at least.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not entirely convinced people care that much about bases in AoS. I might be wrong though.
Depends on the group. I'm getting this secondhand from friends who play AoS and Kings of War, and so want to keep their WHFB on square bases for KoW (and avoid the bother and expense of changing them to rounds). They say the pure AoS players (who started fantasy miniature gaming with AoS) bitch and moan about how the smaller square bases are giving my friends an unfair advantage.

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Nice thing about the bases (either style) is that they are hollow underneath. Put metal under the square base and a magnet under the newer AOS base. Set it on top and then you have the base to measure from legally, and when not in use the square base has extra weight to it.

The next complaint will be "but then it doesn't look right", most armies I see are not fully painted, so if it's just a base looking off I'd be fine. YOMV.

But like everyone has said, it depends upon the group you play with and if your playing at events/tournaments. If your on the tournament scene, then your pretty invested in the game and changing the bases won't be that big of a deal. If your just playing for fun and with friends it's probably not a big deal what bases your on. If they complain about the bases as you set up, just tell them you give them a 1" range boost affecting all units on squares and I think they will chill out.

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 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Not entirely convinced people care that much about bases in AoS. I might be wrong though.
Depends on the group. I'm getting this secondhand from friends who play AoS and Kings of War, and so want to keep their WHFB on square bases for KoW (and avoid the bother and expense of changing them to rounds). They say the pure AoS players (who started fantasy miniature gaming with AoS) bitch and moan about how the smaller square bases are giving my friends an unfair advantage.


Advantage in some ways, disadvantage in others. In general i rather play vs square bases than somebody who has issue with them. More fun game quaranteed

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 Overread wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Which in this case is square, since that's what they were sold with. They might not be tournament-legal but in a normal game who cares?



Eh so long as abilities, threat ranges, close combat distances etc.. are all measured from the base then - yeah bases do matter. Sure in casual play people might let it slide. But honestly if you're buying into the game new or you want to get in "properly" then the right base is almost a must.

This doesn't mean I like the whole mess GW made by changing bases between the games and then some random changes since updates. But at the same time if you want the game to work right; then the right base makes it work how it should at least.



This, exactly. The core mechanics of the game are based on base size, and it makes a huge difference. I'm not sure why it's a controversial opinion that the game should be played on the base type and sizes that it's designed for.

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 Sasori wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Which in this case is square, since that's what they were sold with. They might not be tournament-legal but in a normal game who cares?



Eh so long as abilities, threat ranges, close combat distances etc.. are all measured from the base then - yeah bases do matter. Sure in casual play people might let it slide. But honestly if you're buying into the game new or you want to get in "properly" then the right base is almost a must.

This doesn't mean I like the whole mess GW made by changing bases between the games and then some random changes since updates. But at the same time if you want the game to work right; then the right base makes it work how it should at least.



This, exactly. The core mechanics of the game are based on base size, and it makes a huge difference. I'm not sure why it's a controversial opinion that the game should be played on the base type and sizes that it's designed for.


Is that really the 'controversial opinion' at hand?
Or is it more that people don't feel like being forced to rebase models?
That's a non-trivial task, especially for painted models that they don't want damaged.

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Voss wrote:
 Sasori wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Which in this case is square, since that's what they were sold with. They might not be tournament-legal but in a normal game who cares?



Eh so long as abilities, threat ranges, close combat distances etc.. are all measured from the base then - yeah bases do matter. Sure in casual play people might let it slide. But honestly if you're buying into the game new or you want to get in "properly" then the right base is almost a must.

This doesn't mean I like the whole mess GW made by changing bases between the games and then some random changes since updates. But at the same time if you want the game to work right; then the right base makes it work how it should at least.



This, exactly. The core mechanics of the game are based on base size, and it makes a huge difference. I'm not sure why it's a controversial opinion that the game should be played on the base type and sizes that it's designed for.


Is that really the 'controversial opinion' at hand?
Or is it more that people don't feel like being forced to rebase models?
That's a non-trivial task, especially for painted models that they don't want damaged.


I doubt most people like rebasing models, I know don't, but it's a part of the upkeep of the game that sometimes has to happen. AoS has been out long enough that I don't think it's reasonable at this point to be bringing square bases to a game where base size and shape matters significantly.

I can commiserate that it sucks to rebase models, most of us have been there, but I also think it's a little selfish to not put in the effort for correct base sizes for a game system that approaching 6 years old at this point.

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Voss wrote:
Or is it more that people don't feel like being forced to rebase models?
That's a non-trivial task, especially for painted models that they don't want damaged.

But no one forces you to? Even the thing suggested earlier, putting your square bases on correct sized circles (which would also account for slightly higher new bases) would be perfectly fine and show you're willing to put minimum of effort to play the army as intended.

Then there is the fact a lot of people look at square/smaller bases (in case of 40K) with suspicion because of WAAAC types who put them even on brand new models that were sold with something else just to model for advantage as all they care about is winning, not having fun...
   
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Rebasing is a pain especially if you've spent time and money making wonderful looking bases only to be told to tear them off because someone at GW rules decided to do that. some of the base changes (like square to round) are totally arbitrary.

I think there's also pushback because people don't want it to become something normal that GW does every time they can. Ergo they fear entering a time where each new battletome/codex will come with a rafter of base size changes. Perhaps in the metal age this might have worked better with the slots as at least then you could slot and not glue; but in todays market with a lot more scenery and fine connection points people do not want to be scraping plastic off plastic to chagne be sizes - or building stacked towers of base atop base atop base.

I think for 40K its made worse because they don't make a base size chart. So for someone getting in new it can be confusing, especially when there's both old and new stock on the market so you can easily buy a model with "old" bases, build them an then find that they are "wrong". It's why I try to encourage people to write to GW and ask for a base size chart for 40K; the one for AoS is utterly invaluable for anyone new or coming back or picking up old models etc...

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 Sasori wrote:
 Overread wrote:
Cronch wrote:
Which in this case is square, since that's what they were sold with. They might not be tournament-legal but in a normal game who cares?



Eh so long as abilities, threat ranges, close combat distances etc.. are all measured from the base then - yeah bases do matter. Sure in casual play people might let it slide. But honestly if you're buying into the game new or you want to get in "properly" then the right base is almost a must.

This doesn't mean I like the whole mess GW made by changing bases between the games and then some random changes since updates. But at the same time if you want the game to work right; then the right base makes it work how it should at least.



This, exactly. The core mechanics of the game are based on base size, and it makes a huge difference. I'm not sure why it's a controversial opinion that the game should be played on the base type and sizes that it's designed for.

because we remember when the game was introduced and it was 100% fine and "legal" to play on old bases? To my knowledge GW never really backed from that statement. If you have old WFB models, there is no obligation to rebase them except for tournament pack rules which are their own thing really.

And let's be honest, a game where there is "true LOS" in that you can snipe a model's ear isn't going to be balanced enough to worry about "unfair advantage". AoS is my game of choice, and anyone who cares this much about balance in that mess of a system is really playing the wrong game.

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One of the things I really liked about Warmachine was having only a handful of well defined base sizes and who went on what, plus the magic cylinder LoS and defining terrain as blocking to models of X base size. There Were a handful of exceptions where you saw a couple normal dudes combined onto a single larger base, and a special rule that said they counted as the smaller base for all LoS purposes, but that was rare.

 
   
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Cronch wrote:


because we remember when the game was introduced and it was 100% fine and "legal" to play on old bases? To my knowledge GW never really backed from that statement. If you have old WFB models, there is no obligation to rebase them except for tournament pack rules which are their own thing really.

And let's be honest, a game where there is "true LOS" in that you can snipe a model's ear isn't going to be balanced enough to worry about "unfair advantage". AoS is my game of choice, and anyone who cares this much about balance in that mess of a system is really playing the wrong game.



GW has never taken their game seriously/strictly in terms of rules. So their official stance has nearly always been "do what you want they are your models." The only time that changes is when you play in an event then its "follow the event guidelines" or in a GW event/store where its the same plus "use GW models only - with some leeway for conversions using majority GW parts etc.."

Basically GW doesn't care and doesn't want to be seen to care. They have had odd spots though, like the whole "use the subfaction your army is painted as" at events, which was, I think, mostly a marine focused rule that was messy for other factions (GW basically didn't want space wolves playing as ultramarines); but also something that got a lot of pushback.

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GW changing the bases and then making bases gameplay relevant was a massive dick move that is the main reason I don't play GW games any more. I use my models for game systems that don't make a fuss about base size, which is completely possible to do and not even complicated to make rules for.

I also despise the scale creep caused by the 32mm bases, and hate how much space they take up and how they mess with conventions that have been part of this hobby for nearly 50 years.

I rebase new models that come with 32mm onto 25mm and if I cannot do that, I do not buy the models (like the new marines and chaos space marines). If I ever decide I want to play a GW game again, I will use 32mm flats and blue tack or otherwise temporarily affix my models onto them, but I really think GW messed up big time with this stuff.

   
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I mean game bases have been part of the gameplay for as long as I can recall. Centre of the base, edge of the base. In Old World and 40K they were always a thing.

Sure Old World had some flexibility in letting you use movement trays for expedience, but in general the base was still part of the game.

It's more GW's shift toward changing them in recent years that's been an issue.

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Almost all of the hate for square bases I've seen has come nigh-exclusively from that sect of hardcore AoS fanboys who resent anything to do with WHFB and gleefully point and laugh whenever an old model is squat'ed (and were not happy about TOW's announcement). By contrast, whilst I'm sure it's absolutely a thing, the amount of tournament players I've seen gripe about it are minimal by comparison. My understanding is still that GW doesn't really give a toss, beyond them being Citadel models.

All of my Cities of Sigmar stuff - which was 99% bought when WHFB was still a thing - remains on square bases and won't be moving off 'em.

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