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**AduroT**

I find square bases kind of ugly personally. They worked when everything was ranking up in blocks, but I hate them on skirmishing models, which everything is now.

Also I really prefer the 32s over 28s. 28s didn’t bother me in the day, but now they just look too small when I do see models on them. Also getting into Necrons after playing Primaris for a couple years it’s weird to see some characters not being on 40s.

**tneva82**

Overread wrote:
Rebasing is a pain especially if you've spent time and money making wonderful looking bases only to be told to tear them off because someone at GW rules decided to do that. some of the base changes (like square to round) are totally arbitrary.

I think there's also pushback because people don't want it to become something normal that GW does every time they can. Ergo they fear entering a time where each new battletome/codex will come with a rafter of base size changes. Perhaps in the metal age this might have worked better with the slots as at least then you could slot and not glue; but in todays market with a lot more scenery and fine connection points people do not want to be scraping plastic off plastic to chagne be sizes - or building stacked towers of base atop base atop base.

I think for 40K its made worse because they don't make a base size chart. So for someone getting in new it can be confusing, especially when there's both old and new stock on the market so you can easily buy a model with "old" bases, build them an then find that they are "wrong". It's why I try to encourage people to write to GW and ask for a base size chart for 40K; the one for AoS is utterly invaluable for anyone new or coming back or picking up old models etc...

Then again in 40k 9ed pretty much killed any advantage for smaller base so actually you are disadvantaging yourself. Traditional claim for advantage was "more models in ranks" though in practice ork boyz etc you didn't get more boyz into combat against anybody even quarter competent. You only lost area control.

But in 9e it's 2 rank period whether you are 15mm base or 120mm base. 2 ranks, no more.

Bigger bases do have annoying effect of removing tactics and importance of movement from game though. Especially if you don't up the board size.

**Danny76**

Well quite the side topic I’ve sprung up..

As cities of Sigmar are mentioned. Yeah my huge Empire and VC armies, they’re not ever gonna be rebased, way too many bases/work to do there.

The Ogres however are enough models that it could be done..
It would just mean removing by cutting, and then buying some rounds and working on them etc...
(Are they on the same size rounds? I.e. would they still fit in the movement trays that were for the squares - 50mm I think off hand)

**Overread**

Arbitrator wrote:
Almost all of the hate for square bases I've seen has come nigh-exclusively from that sect of hardcore AoS fanboys who resent anything to do with WHFB and gleefully point and laugh whenever an old model is squat'ed (and were not happy about TOW's announcement).

Thankfully that "fan club" is very small in number - at least that's my impression of them.

**Derek H**

Overread wrote:
Rebasing is a pain especially if you've spent time and money making wonderful looking bases only to be told to tear them off because someone at GW rules decided to do that. some of the base changes (like square to round) are totally arbitrary.

There are good reasons why many people didn't like that change, but it certainly wasn't arbitrary. It enabled GW to transform their main fantasy game and removed many of the constraints on figure design imposed by using the old square bases in rank and flank style units.

The change opened the door to Age of Sigmar which directly led to a massive increase in the popularity of their fantasy offering. It's one of the best business moves they've made in the last ten years.

Square bases always look a bit rubbish if they're not in an ordered unit.

**JWBS**

What a great thread for a multi-page discussion on bases.

**Overread**

JWBS wrote:
What a great thread for a multi-page discussion on bases.

Some of us have to distract ourselves from christmas bundles otherwise we might make financial accidents this weekend!

**Cronch**

JWBS wrote:
What a great thread for a multi-page discussion on bases.

Is kind-of-relevant, and honestly, they're boxes. With contents. There's very little left to discuss past the initial pricing/contents of them, they have nothing new to them.

**Kanluwen**

Overread wrote:
Arbitrator wrote:
Almost all of the hate for square bases I've seen has come nigh-exclusively from that sect of hardcore AoS fanboys who resent anything to do with WHFB and gleefully point and laugh whenever an old model is squat'ed (and were not happy about TOW's announcement).

Thankfully that "fan club" is very small in number - at least that's my impression of them.

It's basically nonexistent, it's that small.

**Quasistellar**

Eh, if you've been wargaming long enough to have full fanatasy armies on squares, you should be able to do the proper estimation of actual number of attacks that can reach your target as if you had the proper round base.

That's the real issue--AoS has melee weapon ranges that base size has a real, significant effect on. It's the reason most 32mm base infantry with 1" range quite frankly suck in the game. Put that infantry on a 25mm square base and suddenly they double their attacks. It's not a trivial thing.

But, as I said before, you should just know that you can't actually do that, and don't unfairly add attacks that couldn't actually happen with the proper base size.

I wouldn't want to re-base either, especially if it's only casual play, but to be fair it's been 5 years now? And there is an official list of base sizes as well.

**ERJAK**

Kanluwen wrote:
Overread wrote:
Arbitrator wrote:
Almost all of the hate for square bases I've seen has come nigh-exclusively from that sect of hardcore AoS fanboys who resent anything to do with WHFB and gleefully point and laugh whenever an old model is squat'ed (and were not happy about TOW's announcement).

Thankfully that "fan club" is very small in number - at least that's my impression of them.

It's basically nonexistent, it's that small.

I didn't play WHFB at ALL but am still super peeved that tomb kings got squatted and would love to see them come back.

Objections to square basis are almost exclusively from TOs and high level tournament players, and that's just a standardization issue, similar to when marines went from 25s to 32s.

**Vaktathi**

Hey all, if we could move the Base discussion to another thread, and get back on the Bundles, it would be appreciated in helping keep this thread on topic, thanks!

**KillerAngel**

Bundles question: are these only going to be available through GW, or will online retailers (with their standard 15% off MSRP) be getting some as well?

**Kanluwen**

KillerAngel wrote:
Bundles question: are these only going to be available through GW, or will online retailers (with their standard 15% off MSRP) be getting some as well?

Understanding currently is that indies will be getting them but not necessarily online only retailers.

**Nerbil**

KillerAngel wrote:
Bundles question: are these only going to be available through GW, or will online retailers (with their standard 15% off MSRP) be getting some as well?

I've heard of LGS getting some but extremely limited supplies (in the 10s rather than 100s) per bundle.

**RUNE**

I want to know from AOS players if the gloomspite Fitz it's a good deal. Can I buy two boxes to start an army? Maybe a troll and a squig army. Don't know about the game but the models are awesome.

**Overread**

Typically they sell through GW and regular hobby stores. This year stock might be in much shorter supply than normal. However we don't know if GW adapt to this by doing more than one print run. In the past its generally been one big print run and when stocks run out that's it.

This year might be difference since GW doesn't have their normal production capacity. So either these will run out faster; or they'll do a second wave; or keep them in production fully until a set date.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

RUNE wrote:
I want to know from AOS players if the gloomspite Fitz it's a good deal. Can I buy two boxes to start an army? Maybe a troll and a squig army. Don't know about the game but the models are awesome.

You could, but it doesn’t look to be terribly flexible? In my completely non-expert opinion, I’d recommend grabbing this, a Start Collecting, and maybe some basic Gobbos and a Mangler Squig. Possibly some Fanatics.

**Kanluwen**

RUNE wrote:
I want to know from AOS players if the gloomspite Fitz it's a good deal. Can I buy two boxes to start an army? Maybe a troll and a squig army. Don't know about the game but the models are awesome.

Absolutely can. There will be a few other odds and ends you might want to grab(Mangler Squig, for sure!) but it's a good start to doing some of the 'specialist' stuff.

**tneva82**

RUNE wrote:
I want to know from AOS players if the gloomspite Fitz it's a good deal. Can I buy two boxes to start an army? Maybe a troll and a squig army. Don't know about the game but the models are awesome.

You'll be about 260 pts short or　so from 2k so certainly gets you close. Can't comment on how effective list it　is.

**flaherty**

KillerAngel wrote:
Bundles question: are these only going to be available through GW, or will online retailers (with their standard 15% off MSRP) be getting some as well?

Jay from Discount Games, one of the largest mail order mini shops in the US, has shared that he's only allowed one copy of each box this year.

My local FLGS, and the order solicitation shared earlier in this thread have said the same thing.

If you *really* want one, the best bet is probably to order Saturday from GW.

Shadow & Pain was also originally limited in retail distribution but is apparently now more readily available to shops. This may be the case with the Battleforces, but I wouldn't bet on it.

**jaredb**

RUNE wrote:
I want to know from AOS players if the gloomspite Fitz it's a good deal. Can I buy two boxes to start an army? Maybe a troll and a squig army. Don't know about the game but the models are awesome.

It's got a great group of units, the Squigs and Troggoths don't share buffs, but the speed of the Squigs can compliment the toughness of the Troggoths. Both have elements which can be battleline depending on your general. Also, they are all new kits, and really nice.

**Kanluwen**

Worth mentioning that whatever version of Dankhold Troggoth(the other is the Troggboss, a Leader choice) you take, they have the following:

Reassuring Presence: The mushrooms that
sprout from the scaly hides of Dankhold
Troggoths are a things of wonder and
reassurance to the grots that make up the
Gloomspite hordes.
Add 1 to the Bravery characteristic of
friendly Gloomspite Gitz units that are
wholly within 12" of any friendly models
with this ability.

Dankholds are a bit interesting in that regard.

**RUNE**

jaredb wrote:
RUNE wrote:
I want to know from AOS players if the gloomspite Fitz it's a good deal. Can I buy two boxes to start an army? Maybe a troll and a squig army. Don't know about the game but the models are awesome.

It's got a great group of units, the Squigs and Troggoths don't share buffs, but the speed of the Squigs can compliment the toughness of the Troggoths. Both have elements which can be battleline depending on your general. Also, they are all new kits, and really nice.

Maybe I can do two separate armies? Troll and goblins. Buying two boxes, then, or its not a good idea?

Thanks!

**chaos0xomega**

I've heard it suggested that the allocation issue is a US/Canada only thing, possibly due to shipping/logistics delays (i.e there may be additional waves of stock available). Seems the UK/EU might not have the same limitations.

**Voss**

RUNE wrote:
jaredb wrote:
RUNE wrote:
I want to know from AOS players if the gloomspite Fitz it's a good deal. Can I buy two boxes to start an army? Maybe a troll and a squig army. Don't know about the game but the models are awesome.

It's got a great group of units, the Squigs and Troggoths don't share buffs, but the speed of the Squigs can compliment the toughness of the Troggoths. Both have elements which can be battleline depending on your general. Also, they are all new kits, and really nice.

Maybe I can do two separate armies? Troll and goblins. Buying two boxes, then, or its not a good idea?

Thanks!

Well, they're the same army, not separate ones.

I think going 100% goblins and 100% trolls is largely a bad idea- you're just missing tools and utility.
If you wanted to do a themed force away from one or the other, you'd probably be better off _not_ buying the bundle at all.

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Rather than blindly buying two, I'd put together some lists and see what works out first. If you're never going to use 12 trolls or 30 squig hoppers, why buy them?

**Kanluwen**

chaos0xomega wrote:
I've heard it suggested that the allocation issue is a US/Canada only thing, possibly due to shipping/logistics delays (i.e there may be additional waves of stock available). Seems the UK/EU might not have the same limitations.

As always, the stock for independent shops is different from the GW webstore stock which is different to the stock for their physical stores. There's a lot of independent stores and as we saw with Indomitus, sometimes these small shops put in ridiculously high order numbers and it seems to be tied to their webstores rather than the actual storefronts.

That being said, logistics is definitely playing a part. The warehouse is centered in Memphis and they've recently swapped from FedEx to UPS because of FedEx screwing up royally repeatedly. That kind of thing is going to be a huuuuuuuuuge bit no matter how it goes.

**Matrindur**

chaos0xomega wrote:
I've heard it suggested that the allocation issue is a US/Canada only thing, possibly due to shipping/logistics delays (i.e there may be additional waves of stock available). Seems the UK/EU might not have the same limitations.

Well I'm in Austria and both my local shops didn't have any restrictions on the last releases and could order as many as they needed, no idea about the rest of EU thought

**jaredb**

RUNE wrote:
jaredb wrote:
RUNE wrote:
I want to know from AOS players if the gloomspite Fitz it's a good deal. Can I buy two boxes to start an army? Maybe a troll and a squig army. Don't know about the game but the models are awesome.

It's got a great group of units, the Squigs and Troggoths don't share buffs, but the speed of the Squigs can compliment the toughness of the Troggoths. Both have elements which can be battleline depending on your general. Also, they are all new kits, and really nice.

Maybe I can do two separate armies? Troll and goblins. Buying two boxes, then, or its not a good idea?

Thanks!

You can certainly run a Squig army, and Trogg army separately. White Dwarf recently had articles which gave you bonus rules for a Squig army, or a Troggoth army, which is pretty cool. Squigs are the more competitive pure sub-faction out of the two.

I run a pure Spiderfang army, and have a heap of fun with that.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

From the comments here, bought last year’s set on eBay.

Between the two, when I order this year’s on Saturday, I’ll have 9 Trolls, 1 Trollboss, 25 Squig Hoppers, a Loonboss, a Loonboss on Giant Squig, and 5 Fanatics. Oh. And a Mangler Squig.

Reckon I’ll fill it out with some Stikkas, maybe a Squig Herd set or two.