I'm pretty happy that GW is endorsing Astartes ( and 3 other artists/groups ) considering how gory it is. You definitely need to check out the trailer for The Exodite though.
The creator has memory holed the original videos from YouTube and now it's exclusively found only on the WarCom site, and only as a supercut.
The video won't play for me on my browser, and I didn't think that the author would use 1984 as an instruction guide. Anyone happen to have saved the YouTube videos and can share them?
Best guess on how badly GW balls this up gets a free cookie from myself.
My guess is it will become a glorified advert for the new wave of Primaris Marines. Seriously, feth this guy. I can only hope the whole thing crashes and burns at this point.
BaconCatBug wrote: The creator has memory holed the original videos from YouTube and now it's exclusively found only on the WarCom site, and only as a supercut.
The video won't play for me on my browser, and I didn't think that the author would use 1984 as an instruction guide. Anyone happen to have saved the YouTube videos and can share them?
Best guess on how badly GW balls this up gets a free cookie from myself.
BaconCatBug wrote: The creator has memory holed the original videos from YouTube and now it's exclusively found only on the WarCom site, and only as a supercut.
The video won't play for me on my browser, and I didn't think that the author would use 1984 as an instruction guide. Anyone happen to have saved the YouTube videos and can share them?
Best guess on how badly GW balls this up gets a free cookie from myself.
Not sure how long that will last, but as they say - once something is on the internet...
Yeah because I want to watch a supercut that ruins the pacing of the story with more encoding artifacts than a dead valve game. /s I managed to get around the video not playing on the WarCom site, but they've added SFX and music and ruined the entire thing. It's not a rehosting, they've totally mangled the sound design.
This is insulting to his fans and his supporters, and I hope this all crashes and burns around him, it's the least he deserves.
BaconCatBug wrote: Best guess on how badly GW balls this up gets a free cookie from myself.
I would put my chip on something along the lines of "For the cheap cost of 14.99 per month, you can now sub to our "tv show" services and watch in high fidelity 720p what was once planned as free content !". (or supported by patreons, as it happens).
It's great for the guys that were doing these though.
BaconCatBug wrote: My guess is it will become a glorified advert for the new wave of Primaris Marines.
This is also my fear.
BaconCatBug wrote: Seriously, feth this guy. I can only hope the whole thing crashes and burns at this point.
That's very much the wrong attitude to take, though. We don't know how this will play out. GW could be funding him and giving him a team to increase the pace of him realizing his vision.
BaconCatBug wrote: My guess is it will become a glorified advert for the new wave of Primaris Marines. Seriously, feth this guy. I can only hope the whole thing crashes and burns at this point.
Wow, I can only wish horrible people like you are just like this on the internet and are somehow rational normal people in person.
BaconCatBug wrote: Yeah because I want to watch a supercut that ruins the pacing of the story with more encoding artifacts than a dead valve game. /s I managed to get around the video not playing on the WarCom site, but they've added SFX and music and ruined the entire thing. It's not a rehosting, they've totally mangled the sound design.
This is insulting to his fans and his supporters, and I hope this all crashes and burns around him, it's the least he deserves.
Ah, there it is! The final ingredient for my mashed potatoes!
BaconCatBug wrote: My guess is it will become a glorified advert for the new wave of Primaris Marines. Seriously, feth this guy. I can only hope the whole thing crashes and burns at this point.
Wow, I can only wish horrible people like you are just like this on the internet and are somehow rational normal people in person.
A guy who the moment he was given a bit of money decided to throw all creative integrity out the window, do a poor job of re-doing the audio because of legal issues, and memory hole his originals because sod you, got mine. I stand by what I said.
BaconCatBug wrote: My guess is it will become a glorified advert for the new wave of Primaris Marines.
This is also my fear.
BaconCatBug wrote: Seriously, feth this guy. I can only hope the whole thing crashes and burns at this point.
That's very much the wrong attitude to take, though. We don't know how this will play out. GW could be funding him and giving him a team to increase the pace of him realizing his vision.
I think "the guy" was taking donations to make further content. While the words are strong, I would understand the disappointment.
BaconCatBug wrote: My guess is it will become a glorified advert for the new wave of Primaris Marines.
This is also my fear.
BaconCatBug wrote: Seriously, feth this guy. I can only hope the whole thing crashes and burns at this point.
That's very much the wrong attitude to take, though. We don't know how this will play out. GW could be funding him and giving him a team to increase the pace of him realizing his vision.
I think "the guy" was taking donations to make further content. While the words might be strong I would understand the disappointment.
God forbid a person should be paid well by an IP for their skills and love of that IP. I bet the guy's a GW apologist, too. And hey, I must be, too! Let's just throw the whole thing out because we don't like the new sound mixing.
God forbid a person should be paid well by an IP for their skills and love of that IP. I bet the guy's a GW apologist, too. And hey, I must be, too! Let's just throw the whole thing out because we don't like the new sound mixing.
And the guys funding him to make a sequel can just go look somewhere else ?
I mean, I also agree that it's cool for him to be recognised. I'm just wondering how this is solved though.
Flinty wrote: And good for him. Put in a lot of effort and I hope GW gave him a massive payoff. Looking forward to.whatever comes.next.
And the guys funding him to make a sequel can just go look somewhere else ?
I dunno. I havent read his contract or talked to him as to what happens next. I hope the deal has given him some financial stability and taken away the stress of potentially being smacked with a legal threat over what is obviously a massive piece of heartfelt work.
Flinty wrote: And good for him. Put in a lot of effort and I hope GW gave him a massive payoff. Looking forward to.whatever comes.next.
And the guys funding him to make a sequel can just go look somewhere else ?
Because, naturally, as soon as he is employed by GW, he won't make a sequel. That's a clear and logical assumption, based on... um... reasons.
You understand that his past work is available only on GW's platform and that he is now making the next instalment for them ?
Yes. I bet GW paid for his work and employed his skills so he could NOT do what made him popular in the first place, and instead are planning to shutter his work, after just advertising it to the whole world. That makes sense. <nod>
Flinty wrote: And good for him. Put in a lot of effort and I hope GW gave him a massive payoff. Looking forward to.whatever comes.next.
And the guys funding him to make a sequel can just go look somewhere else ?
I dunno. I havent read his contract or talked to him as to what happens next. I hope the deal has given him some financial stability and taken away the stress of potentially being smacked with a legal threat over what is obviously a massive piece of heartfelt work.
Anyone who puts money over principles is a bad person, period.
Flinty wrote: And good for him. Put in a lot of effort and I hope GW gave him a massive payoff. Looking forward to.whatever comes.next.
And the guys funding him to make a sequel can just go look somewhere else ?
I dunno. I havent read his contract or talked to him as to what happens next. I hope the deal has given him some financial stability and taken away the stress of potentially being smacked with a legal threat over what is obviously a massive piece of heartfelt work.
Anyone who puts money over principles is a bad person, period.
Yes, clearly I am a multi trillionaire with my own private moon, not someone working paycheque to paycheque in a minimum wage job. /s
Because the only privilege in the world is being a multi-trillionaire. It's impossible that being a wage-slave is actually an improvement over someone else's position, and the threat of legal action for doing something you love doesn't factor in at all. Well done.
Flinty wrote: And good for him. Put in a lot of effort and I hope GW gave him a massive payoff. Looking forward to.whatever comes.next.
And the guys funding him to make a sequel can just go look somewhere else ?
Because, naturally, as soon as he is employed by GW, he won't make a sequel. That's a clear and logical assumption, based on... um... reasons.
You understand that his past work is available only on GW's platform and that he is now making the next instalment for them ?
Yes. I bet GW paid for his work and employed his skills so he could NOT do what made him popular in the first place, and instead are planning to shutter his work, after just advertising it to the whole world. That makes sense. <nod>
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They employed him so he could make what he does for them and sell it instead of letting him release it for free, in competition with their own plans. I'm just wondering what happens of his patreons in this context. Is this too hard to get ?
I don't blame the dude, it's obviously great for him on multiple levels.
Flinty wrote: And good for him. Put in a lot of effort and I hope GW gave him a massive payoff. Looking forward to.whatever comes.next.
And the guys funding him to make a sequel can just go look somewhere else ?
Because, naturally, as soon as he is employed by GW, he won't make a sequel. That's a clear and logical assumption, based on... um... reasons.
You understand that his past work is available only on GW's platform and that he is now making the next instalment for them ?
Yes. I bet GW paid for his work and employed his skills so he could NOT do what made him popular in the first place, and instead are planning to shutter his work, after just advertising it to the whole world. That makes sense. <nod>
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They employed him so he could make stuff for them so that they can sell that too instead of letting him release stuff for free, in competition with their own plans. I'm just wondering what happens of the patreons in this context. Is this too hard to get ?
It's not too hard to get. It just seems like Chicken Little-ing that the sky is falling when we don't know what his contract is, or what his plans are, or what GW's plans are for that matter. Calmate, muchacho, and wait to moan about GW ruining things AFTER they've done so.
BaconCatBug wrote: My guess is it will become a glorified advert for the new wave of Primaris Marines.
This is also my fear.
BaconCatBug wrote: Seriously, feth this guy. I can only hope the whole thing crashes and burns at this point.
That's very much the wrong attitude to take, though. We don't know how this will play out. GW could be funding him and giving him a team to increase the pace of him realizing his vision.
I think "the guy" was taking donations to make further content. While the words are strong, I would understand the disappointment.
I can totally understand some wariness, I just wouldn't jump to conclusions. I'm definitely eager to see how this plays out. It could be great, it could be terrible.
Once donations are involved, we're talking about a situation where a person is getting revenue off an IP they do not own, which gets into sticky territory. For better or for worse GW has a lot of legal clout here.
Flinty wrote: And good for him. Put in a lot of effort and I hope GW gave him a massive payoff. Looking forward to.whatever comes.next.
And the guys funding him to make a sequel can just go look somewhere else ?
Because, naturally, as soon as he is employed by GW, he won't make a sequel. That's a clear and logical assumption, based on... um... reasons.
You understand that his past work is available only on GW's platform and that he is now making the next instalment for them ?
Yes. I bet GW paid for his work and employed his skills so he could NOT do what made him popular in the first place, and instead are planning to shutter his work, after just advertising it to the whole world. That makes sense. <nod>
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They employed him so he could make stuff for them so that they can sell that too instead of letting him release stuff for free, in competition with their own plans. I'm just wondering what happens of the patreons in this context. Is this too hard to get ?
It's not too hard to get. It just seems like Chicken Little-ing that the sky is falling when we don't know what his contract is, or what his plans are, or what GW's plans are for that matter. Calmate, muchacho, and wait to moan about GW ruining things AFTER they've done so.
Just as you could tone down the attitude and just say that maybe it will be released for free ( ) or whatever instead of playing tough internet guy.
Anyhow.
If you want them, I'd suggest you get them ASAP, far more mainstream content has disappeared from the web (though not really, if you know where to look).
It's not too hard to get. It just seems like Chicken Little-ing that the sky is falling when we don't know what his contract is, or what his plans are, or what GW's plans are for that matter. Calmate, muchacho, and wait to moan about GW ruining things AFTER they've done so.
From historical expiriance I can tell you that doing that after everything is done and finished means nothing. At best you can moral grand stand, if you happen to live in another country and not be effected by the bad stuff, but that is more or less it.
Plus I don't even get the whole IP thing from GW. Everyone was saying that GW is protecting their own stuff, only for a guy at my store to show me of compilation of GWBL novels and from where the faces have be traced off. And most aren't just some random pictures, but books from other companies. So it is okey if GW takes other people stuff, but it is not okey if someone does a fan movie. That makes no sense.
Wasnt particularly impressed by Astartes tbh. Helsreach is the only "proper" 40K video I've seen yet. I hope The Angels Of Death will be of comparable quality, as in, an actual flocking story instead of just dialogueless bolter pron for 12-yr olds.
That new T'au feature, Exodite was it? dunno about that either.. The Iron Warriors one looks visually good but I have no idea what the storytelling's going to be like
Anyways, I still have to acknowledge GW is doing the right thing by making these fanfic projects official.. They'll undoubtedly turn out to be better than what they could release themselves, so at least something.. Must feel good for the authors too to get recognition like that.
But if they become GW official they fall under the GW copyright law, and that one goes against a lot of other countries laws. For example in Poland an artists can sell the rights to his art being sold, but he is for ever the author, which comes with his own rights. Like he has to always be cited as an author, the work can not be changed without him okeying it etc.
BaconCatBug wrote: My guess is it will become a glorified advert for the new wave of Primaris Marines. Seriously, feth this guy. I can only hope the whole thing crashes and burns at this point.
Wow, I can only wish horrible people like you are just like this on the internet and are somehow rational normal people in person.
I agree with BCB. Restartes are the breakfast cereals of the hobby, get em young and addicted to the sweet plastic crack. Any vehicle for this ongoing epic fail should implode in the vacuum of space.
tauist wrote: Wasnt particularly impressed by Astartes tbh. Helsreach is the only "proper" 40K video I've seen yet. I hope The Angels Of Death will be of comparable quality, as in, an actual flocking story instead of just dialogueless bolter pron for 12-yr olds.
That new T'au feature, Exodite was it? dunno about that either.. The Iron Warriors one looks visually good but I have no idea what the storytelling's going to be like
Anyways, I still have to acknowledge GW is doing the right thing by making these fanfic projects official.. They'll undoubtedly turn out to be better than what they could release themselves, so at least something.. Must feel good for the authors too to get recognition like that.
Astartes isn't really bolter porn for me. It's visceral and visual storytelling that gets the point across very well.
There is no truer sign of success than for haters to crawl out of the woodwork and call you a sellout.
As far as I'm concerned, if Mr. Pedersen wants to make money working with GW to do what he clearly enjoys doing then it's a win for both of them.
The music change does suck though.
Is anyone on this thread a patron of the Astartes project? Was there any announcement on that side saying what they were doing regarding past donations, whether or not they would continue to ask? To what extent is GW backing this? Just the facts - speculation is clearly upsetting some people.
Bloody sell out. Shutting down his Patreon and thanking those who have supported him so far.
Mr Nobody wrote: I just pulled this from the Astartes patreon page.
This may feel like it's coming out of nowhere but I'm happy to announce today that from this point on I'll be working with GW to continue Astartes and transition the project to an official one with the Warhammer Animations team.
Many of you have no doubt been wondering what the status of the project is lately, but work on it has never stopped and now it's at a very exciting place, with everything I've been able to create and develop up to this point now transitioning to an official project where I hope to take it to new heights.
I can't thank you all enough for the support and opportunity to pursue both my 40k and animation dreams. When I threw that first episode up on the internet I had no idea it would take me here, and it wouldn't have without your amazing support and encouragement to keep going and so I'm truly grateful.
I just hope I can make you all proud with my future contributions to the 40k universe we all love.
Astartes will have a new home over at the Warhammer Community website so head over there to watch the existing series and for more news and exciting updates.
This Patreon page will cut ties with Warhammer and the Astartes project. It will be overhauled to represent me personally as an artist and it will be put into an 'inactive' mode and perhaps re-awoken in the future, if I get the chance I'd love to let some original ideas that are bouncing around in my head out into the world...but right now it's time to animate the Emperor's Chosen!
"This Patreon page will cut ties with Warhammer and the Astartes project. It will be overhauled to represent me personally as an artist and it will be put into an 'inactive' mode and perhaps re-awoken in the future, if I get the chance I'd love to let some original ideas that are bouncing around in my head out into the world...but right now it's time to animate the Emperor's Chosen!"
BaconCatBug wrote:Gotta love it when artists pull a fast one to scam out loyal fans for a bit of corporate payola.
I mean, sometimes you're presented offers you can't refuse. Like expecting him to say "Oh yeah, I always wanted to make stuff for you guys but I got this patreon thing going on, I would rather not right now, maybe in 3 to 5 years ?" isn't realistic. It could take him years to finish the current project before being "free" to join them at which point the offer might not stand anymore. And then there is the fact that the patreon supports him to use someone else's IP.
It's still feels wrong to just close everything and leaving with a "thanks for the fish" though.
BaconCatBug wrote: Gotta love it when artists pull a fast one to scam out loyal fans for a bit of corporate payola.
Aaahahahahahqhahahahahahaaaaaa... an artist making art based on a company's IP amd for whatever money he can scrape nout of open hearted strangers is asked by that company to join the team and you expect them to say no?
BaconCatBug wrote: Gotta love it when artists pull a fast one to scam out loyal fans for a bit of corporate payola.
BS Bacon. You don't know how this will turn out.
Honestly, you should be rooting for him. He's gotten positive recognition from the owner of the brand he is a fan of, and whose IP he is using.
If anything, you should be rooting for him even harder while he's forced to deal with cooperate oversight.
Like, we already know what he likes. We have the brilliant Astartes animations he created out of passion. You should be hoping that he's able to continue pursuing his vision with the blessing and financial blessing of GW. If this goes well he should be able to produce that vision faster. If he's able to achieve the goal you potentially supported even faster and with more security you should in no way call it a scam.
We'll see how it goes, but calling this a scam is horse-dung. Personally, I wish him the best of luck. He might be stepping into a meat-grinder. Only time will tell.
BaconCatBug wrote: Gotta love it when artists pull a fast one to scam out loyal fans for a bit of corporate payola.
Oh no someone is getting paid for their talent, call the police. He was some guy making something for enjoyment and now he gets to do that for money. You make him out to be some kind of "class-traitor" or something. A job that will likely pay for some time without having to worry about IP problems vs money from strangers that might run out at any time coupled with potential IP problems from IP owner. Gee, I wonder why he decided to work with GW.
The creator got his channel and work stolen by hackers, took months to get it back, and now it's in a much safer place where he also gets to make sequels without the chance of it getting stolen again.
Shock horror that another thread on Dakka got the "I hate Primaris" argument in again as well.
BCB you say he went against his principles by taking this position. Do you know him personally and for a fact know he is anti-corporation or against talented people being paid for their work? Was he a dedicated art communist, fighting to spread as much art to people as possible for free? Or is it more you don't like GW and anyone who does like them is a GW shill?
Based upon the minimum Patreon contribution ($2) and after taking out the 40% cut that Patreon has, guy was raking in $11k a month.
GW didn't make a better offer. They made an offer he couldn't refuse.
Thats what I'm thinking.
People is clamouring for the head of the guy when probably GW's offer was basically "Come with us or stop doing warhammer content" even if they didn't made it sound like that.
But you can't expect no-name internet trolls that believe everything in the world works by pure ideas and ideals and have never been in a position like that to understand that in adult life you have to compromise.
Based upon the minimum Patreon contribution ($2) and after taking out the 40% cut that Patreon has, guy was raking in $11k a month.
GW didn't make a better offer. They made an offer he couldn't refuse.
Yeah, that's kinda my take; it might be a sellout and might be disappointing, but compared to being handed a cease and desist letter and the decision is likely more understandable. I don't know the full circumstances, so I'll just wish him the best of luck.
Primaris and GW can still go deep strike their own transhuman prostate glands.
...You know, I thought Dakka's swear filter was stupid, but it has forced me to be at least a tiny bit more creative than just "Go feth themselves."
CEO Kasen wrote: Yeah, that's kinda my take; it might be a sellout and might be disappointing, but compared to being handed a cease and desist letter and the decision is likely more understandable. I don't know the full circumstances, so I'll just wish him the best of luck.
Selling out implies that he was offered so much money that he abandoned his integrity. I don't think GW offered him a dump-truck of money, so I don't think this can be counted as 'selling out'. I hope he wasn't blinded by the chance to become 'official' and took a bum deal. I wish him luck too, but I question the decision at all.
Like I said in the thread in N&R, I just picture GW saying something along the lines of "Nice animation you've got there. It'd be a real shame if something bad happened to it.".
CEO Kasen wrote: You know, I thought Dakka's swear filter was stupid, but it has forced me to be at least a tiny bit more creative than just "Go feth themselves."
It used to be worse. There was a time when you couldn't type the word "glass".
Based upon the minimum Patreon contribution ($2) and after taking out the 40% cut that Patreon has, guy was raking in $11k a month.
GW didn't make a better offer. They made an offer he couldn't refuse.
But what is that offer?
No worries or threats about IP enforcement swings both ways in terms of appeal.
And for all we know, he’s heading up or working with a team of animators, meaning he can increase the pace and even quality of production.
Sure, there could’ve been some strong arming going on, either directly or kinda implied (having the IP owner come a-knocking offering to pay you does rather beg the question of what happens if you politely decline).
Remember. IP is something you have to actively defend if you want to keep it. The conversation needn’t have been sinister and mafiaesque. It could have been “dude, we absolutely love your work, but we can’t let you continue to use our IP. So instead, how about you come and work for us, doing what you do best”.
This could see, in the future, Astartes be considered Deadpoolesque in its development, what with the trailer “leak” leading to a really excellent full on film.
Making your own films on the internet is one thing, and can certainly lead to employment. As it has right here.
But when he has time/energy/ideas/opportunity to do his own stuff? Having that sort of happenstance on the old CV might open doors. Because he’s just gone from “super competent, but ultimately amateur” content to “head hunted by a market leader to produce high quality, original animation based on their valuable IP” professional.
CEO Kasen wrote: You know, I thought Dakka's swear filter was stupid, but it has forced me to be at least a tiny bit more creative than just "Go feth themselves."
It used to be worse. There was a time when you couldn't type the word "glass".
I'm still a little shocked every time I see "asscannon".
H.B.M.C. wrote: Selling out implies that he was offered so much money that he abandoned his integrity. I don't think GW offered him a dump-truck of money, so I don't think this can be counted as 'selling out'. I hope he wasn't blinded by the chance to become 'official' and took a bum deal. I wish him luck too, but I question the decision at all.
Like I said in the thread in N&R, I just picture GW saying something along the lines of "Nice animation you've got there. It'd be a real shame if something bad happened to it.".
I'll admit to not having overthought the precise wording; just the acknowledgement that the circumstances are almost certainly more complicated, maybe even more coercive, than a simple cash offer. They usually are.
CEO Kasen wrote: You know, I thought Dakka's swear filter was stupid, but it has forced me to be at least a tiny bit more creative than just "Go feth themselves."
It used to be worse. There was a time when you couldn't type the word "glass".
What the hell did it change "Glass" to? "Glbutt?" "Glrear?" "Glarse?"
CEO Kasen wrote: What the hell did it change "Glass" to? "Glbutt?" "Glrear?" "Glarse?"
Because the fine folks at Dakka thought that the word 'ass' was so rude that if little Timmy stumbled across it he'd claw his eyeballs out with a pair of rusty spoons to spare himself the anguish of ever seeing such a vile word ever again, the filter changed it to 'donkey'.
So "glass" became "gldonkey".
This is why, for a time, the humble Assault Cannon started being called the Donkey Cannon, because whenever you wrote it you'd get Donkeyault Cannon.
Making your own films on the internet is one thing, and can certainly lead to employment. As it has right here.
But when he has time/energy/ideas/opportunity to do his own stuff? Having that sort of happenstance on the old CV might open doors. Because he’s just gone from “super competent, but ultimately amateur” content to “head hunted by a market leader to produce high quality, original animation based on their valuable IP” professional.
I also think along these lines in this case. This is a job that the man was so keen on that he started doing it in his free time. Makes sense that he would take it when formally offered. If you hire someone out of the blue, trumpet the fact publicly, and promise more to follow, it sounds like the kind of thing that both sides in the contract are satisfied with what they are getting,.rather than bleeding the little.guy hard.
Based upon the minimum Patreon contribution ($2) and after taking out the 40% cut that Patreon has, guy was raking in $11k a month.
GW didn't make a better offer. They made an offer he couldn't refuse.
And what would that offer be then?
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Galas wrote: But you can't expect no-name internet trolls that believe everything in the world works by pure ideas and ideals and have never been in a position like that to understand that in adult life you have to compromise.
I sort of enjoy that part of the internet is so confident that they can just say anything and not support it with facts and then watch them pretend they aren't themselves a troll.
Daedalus81 wrote: I sort of enjoy that part of the internet is so confident that they can just say anything and not support it with facts and then watch them pretend they aren't themselves a troll.
I can't find myself enjoying that for the unguessable amount of generalized damage that sort of confidence has caused, though enjoying it is probably better for one's personal mental health.
Daedalus81 wrote: I sort of enjoy that part of the internet is so confident that they can just say anything and not support it with facts and then watch them pretend they aren't themselves a troll.
I can't find myself enjoying that for the unguessable amount of generalized damage that sort of confidence has caused, though enjoying it is probably better for one's personal mental health.
BaconCatBug wrote: My guess is it will become a glorified advert for the new wave of Primaris Marines. Seriously, feth this guy. I can only hope the whole thing crashes and burns at this point.
Why does everyone rave about the orginal project. It was bland and boring, the technology looked way too clean and the "story" made no sense. It was shiny. But beyond that it had no substance.
Good for the artist I guess, but a big yawn from me on it going official. 40K lore is silly and taken far too seriously.
Oh come on Daedalus. Don't be intentionally naive about this.
I get that it's fun being cynical and all, but an animator with this guy's skill commands a high wage. And he's not JUST an animator. He's the equivalent of a "full stack developer" - someone that can run all facets project from the ground up.
It is quite likely there was no business in his area that could employ him frequently as lots of this kind of work gets farmed out to cheap-o churn and burn companies. Unless he's completely unaware of his skills and unable to negotiate it is highly unlikely that he isn't being paid a competitive salary with benefits like stock options. Getting an opportunity to move away from contract work and have a steady gig is not a terrible thing. Did he get compensated for his prior work as well?
That said I doubt Patreons fees are as high as 40% so he probably made more, but there's a whole byzantine free structure so getting the accurate payout would be hard to discern. We're also looking at the height of his subs. When I joined it was something like 2K back in 2018.
Undoubtedly Patreon would be the highest wages to earn as popularity grew, but even he was aware of the potential pitfall:
Hey guys,
I feel foolish writing this a day after opening the Patreon account but after some input from others I'm becoming a little concerned that it might appear to GW that I'm earning a profit off of their IP/brand. Initially I thought it should be okay as other content creators seem to receive support for videos that focus on a certain IP/brand's products but now I'm not sure.
What do you guys think? I really appreciate your offers of support but I don't want to do anything that might be seen as shady. Perhaps I should write to GW and see what they say? They do seem friendlier these days but who knows how that will go...
So on one hand his ceiling was quite high, but the legality is dubious. On the other he gets to work for, and get support from, the company that got him where he is while drawing a regular paycheck at what should be a market rate.
Based on the responses I think we would have seen less salt if GW just sent a C&D and we never saw Astartes again.
BaconCatBug wrote: My guess is it will become a glorified advert for the new wave of Primaris Marines. Seriously, feth this guy. I can only hope the whole thing crashes and burns at this point.
Why does everyone rave about the orginal project. It was bland and boring, the technology looked way too clean and the "story" made no sense. It was shiny. But beyond that it had no substance.
Is there a reason we can't rave over a badass action sequence? It might not be Milton, but it wasn't Ultramarines either.
Togusa wrote: Why does everyone rave about the orginal project. It was bland and boring, the technology looked way too clean and the "story" made no sense. It was shiny. But beyond that it had no substance.
So, action sequences are not welcome in 40K storytelling?
40K lore is silly and taken far too seriously.
You could say that about any universe people enjoy. Just...let people enjoy things.
Based on the responses I think we would have seen less salt if GW just sent a C&D and we never saw Astartes again.
While some of the salt here is definitely surprising, I think Astartes had enough fans that you would have seen a loooot more salt if the creator had to announce he got a C&D.
Voss wrote: Yeah, I feel like I have to lower my expectations today. Which is interesting, given how many of these individuals I already have on ignore.
My reaction: 'Neat. Good for them.'
Other reactions: 'How dare this person's work and enthusiasm pay off! I hope they're ruined!'
Me:
No lowered expectations here. Hate is easy. The black knights look for any and every opportunity to criticise and knock down. People are far too invested in the notion of gw as the irredeemable evil empire that they must lash out against at every opportunity, real or invented, and anyone not apoplectic with rage against them all the time are traitors and collaborators. Considering that, working with them is somehow worse.
Plus, this steps on the toes of 'my favourite, to now unknown band suddenly got popular. How dare they?!' It smacks s little of 'true' fans who look down on every one else.
My take? Fair play to the guy. Bar the ending, astartes was great. Can't wait to see what they bring to the table next.this is official recognition. Great for a cv. It'll open doors and create opportunities. Again, can't blame him for going this route.
Based on the responses I think we would have seen less salt if GW just sent a C&D and we never saw Astartes again.
While some of the salt here is definitely surprising, I think Astartes had enough fans that you would have seen a loooot more salt if the creator had to announce he got a C&D.
Yes, but it would be righteous salt, and instantly weaponised and turned against gw because they're the enemy. And 'the hobby' is taking any shot against gw. Id argue the black knights would, at least on some level, actually be morbidly cheerful about this outcome because its another outlet to have a go and feeds into their narrative that gw is the enemy.
Whether predomenantly coercion or incentive was involved in this development we'll likely never know unless either party is willing to disclose the terms of their agreement with the broader public.
The fact that noticeable changes where made to the audio and the original videos have been removed from the creator's youtube account does shed some light on the aforementioned subject, in my opinion. I do not, however, disaprove of official recogniation of such an awesome fan project, certainly that very fact will have placed some role in the creator's decision.
I do worry that the future works will be far less likely to involve original or personalized content, with the project's aeshetics being all but certain to move closer to offical art en models, a development we've been observing in other pieces of Warhammer media for a while now.
Those of you talking about the money he made on patreon etc etc etc...
He would surely be the lead writer, director and producer for any specific astartes productions.
Have you seen the amount of reactions on youtube to astartes from people who do not have a single clue what GW is?
He may have taken a gamble in the short term (losing out on some earnings) to potential reap the reward in the future if the next production, or a series of longer productions ever take off and gets picked up by say... Netflix? He also has the added bonus of a very rich setting, like star wars, there are so many stories to tell the possibilities are endless for the number of productions they could squeeze out of it.
Then finally, you do not know the incentives in terms of work flow and equipment he now has access to, he may be able to complete projects 4x as fast now, which is a great thing for growth, and potential earnings.
tauist wrote: Wasnt particularly impressed by Astartes tbh. Helsreach is the only "proper" 40K video I've seen yet. I hope The Angels Of Death will be of comparable quality, as in, an actual flocking story instead of just dialogueless bolter pron for 12-yr olds.
That new T'au feature, Exodite was it? dunno about that either.. The Iron Warriors one looks visually good but I have no idea what the storytelling's going to be like
Anyways, I still have to acknowledge GW is doing the right thing by making these fanfic projects official.. They'll undoubtedly turn out to be better than what they could release themselves, so at least something.. Must feel good for the authors too to get recognition like that.
Astartes isn't really bolter porn for me. It's visceral and visual storytelling that gets the point across very well.
I dont agree in the slightest but lets just leave it at that. If you fancy it good for you!
The fact that noticeable changes where made to the audio and the original videos have been removed from the creator's youtube account does shed some light on the aforementioned subject, in my opinion. I do not, howeever, disaprove of official recogniation of such an awesome fan project, certainly that very fact will have placed some role in the creator's decision.
As others have said, there may have been copyright issues with the music he originally used. GW are in a position to buy music to order, and seem to have some form of existing library.
Who are we to say it was definitely big bad evil naughty wicked GW that chose the new music?
Likewise, creators tinker with their stuff all the time. This could well be GW asking for specific edits. Or it could be the chap using the opportunity of a new home for his works to do a bit of tinkering. Maybe he has The Lucas Touch, and as a result he’ll be forever tinkering with it. Maybe we’re seeing a Han Shot First type reaction.
And I can’t help but wonder if we’re seeing a bit of jealousy. Dude goes it alone, makes a decent crust via Patreon, then goes all official and professional.
We know nothing of the arrangement, which has apparently been a Carte Blanche to go all Daily Mail with the bad light brush. But as ever, we see incomplete considerations.
First, the Patreon money. $11,000US at the time of writing works out to around $15214NZ. That’s an annual, pre-tax annual amount of $182,568NZ. A significant sum for sure - but not exactly a high end salary for the industry.
What’s his tax setup with that? Cursory Google search suggests his take home each month is around $10,798.19.
Now, let’s convert $NZ to GBP, see what sort of salary GW might need to offer for him to be making the same money.
A straight conversion, assuming he’d be paying tax in NZ? £94,603.
That’s really not outside of the realm of possibility. We know skilled 3D Animator can make good money. That good? Glass door suggests perhaps not. But then....what else does he enjoy as a formal employee of GW? What’s their current package? Does he have a custom one, negotiated via an agent/suitable professional representative?
Consider a rough outline of my employer’s benefits package. 12% of wage pension contribution (costs me nothing), and they’ll match me up to 3%. Spousal Pension contribution. Full private medical cover. Various other little perks I don’t necessarily use, but don’t cost me anything and may prove incredibly handy when the time is right.
In short? Salty are gonna be salty, because well I’m not entirely sure but they remain entitled to their opinion. But they’re hardly presenting the full picture, but seem intent on claiming they’ve got the full picture.
The fact that noticeable changes where made to the audio and the original videos have been removed from the creator's youtube account does shed some light on the aforementioned subject, in my opinion. I do not, howeever, disaprove of official recogniation of such an awesome fan project, certainly that very fact will have placed some role in the creator's decision.
As others have said, there may have been copyright issues with the music he originally used. GW are in a position to buy music to order, and seem to have some form of existing library.
Who are we to say it was definitely big bad evil naughty wicked GW that chose the new music?
Likewise, creators tinker with their stuff all the time. This could well be GW asking for specific edits. Or it could be the chap using the opportunity of a new home for his works to do a bit of tinkering. Maybe he has The Lucas Touch, and as a result he’ll be forever tinkering with it. Maybe we’re seeing a Han Shot First type reaction.
Hi, those are worthy considerations, in fact the implication of my original statemant was not that at all GW forced a change the music used. However I will still contend that changes made to the audio resulted in inferior quality, which is also shared by other on these very forums.
I most certainly do not believe it was some GW employee or freelancer who re-scored the supercut, let that be clear. The fact that the changes are not commentend upon by the creator in his statement is interesting in my view, but certainly not indicative of malevolent intent by either party.
So yeah, I do agree as in my earlier post that we do not know who took initative on what and for which reasons. Only that it would have been perfectly acceptable for me had Astartes remained an independant project.
Flinty wrote: And he has a job and apparently gets to continue doing what he loves. I think we have fundamentally different world views...
Did you see how much money he was making on Patreon? If I were getting that much I wouldn't need another job.
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In the short term, sure. 11k a month or whatever he was making SEEMS like a lot of money if you assume it's going to last long-term and ignore the fact that at any time the IP owner can, and often will (especially in GW's case) shut you down. His audience is *probably* not based on his talent as an artist, it's based on his work with someone else's IP (I can't speak for everyone but I was there for the IP). If your ability to create with that IP is suddenly gone, you're audience goes with it. IF 1/2 of his audience hung around to see where it goes, now he's making 5.5k a month, potentially less. Not really a whole lot of money for the amount of effort he puts into his work. 60k a year with a fickle audience, ever changing TOS's at patreon, and youtube's instability isn't going to hold very long. It's just not a long-term business solution.
Since the inception of the public internet, content creators have started websites, youtube channels, game mods etc... to show off their creativity looking to be made legit in a career field they may not have had access to otherwise. Not everyone does, but there are tons of examples out there who made it big off a website sale or youtube channel success. Weird how everyone's all of a sudden freaking out when the opportunity comes to start a career for a company like GW and he takes it.
That said, I AM worried about what GW will do with all of their works. They are all very talented in their fields and they deserve official recognition. Knowing GW, they'll find a way to muck it up behind a paywall or some other such nonsense, but until it happens I'll wait and see. Am I angry that this happened? No. Am I angry that what is clearly a transformative work should be protected under copyright law but isn't because no small creator can afford the legal fees to fight for their rights in a court against an entity like GW? YES!
Togusa wrote: Why does everyone rave about the orginal project. It was bland and boring, the technology looked way too clean and the "story" made no sense. It was shiny. But beyond that it had no substance.
So, action sequences are not welcome in 40K storytelling?
40K lore is silly and taken far too seriously.
You could say that about any universe people enjoy. Just...let people enjoy things.
I never said you couldn't enjoy it.
I said I didn't enjoy it and I wondered why lots of folks did.
First, he racked in CONSIDERABLE dough for several months (since 1st of Nov IIRC) without any update. Not even a "I'm alive, working on stuff", only to basically tell his Patreons that their money was wasted. Since whatever he was producing, its not likely that we will see the result of that. Depending on how long he was in talks with GW, he was intransparent of the possibility that he is or will no longer work for the received payout.
I supported him for a LONG time since EP2 with quite a bit of cash each month because I wanted him to keep producing. It's pretty much factual that he took the money and stopped delivering. So that is one big source of salt for me.
But OTOH, I'm happy for the guy and would expect great things when he actually gets a Team to work with, upping the amount of content he can produce! That would be absolutey terrific.
But then you see the edits made by/for GW and the removal of the original.. and it feels lessened.
So we have pros of having the guy get a job, get recognition and have any legal doubts cleared - and we have cons of shady behaviour with his patreon and, what worries me more tbh, GW interfering with his work, lessening what would otherwise be his vision and his vision alone.
I canceled my Patreon after the announcement with a well wish and a congratulations - and I dont expect Astartes to stay as great and awesome as it was, but become washed down by corporate goals and meddling. Which saddens me greatly. But time may prove me wrong. I sure hope it does.
I really have to wonder what the whole contingent of people who sees "company does something with the property that they own that I don't like" as the greatest cultural issue of our age would like to have as the solution. I only ever seen anger.
It's obvious that the answer isn't "I want artists to get paid a living wage by me for the art they produce" because at this point the only solution for artists to get paid at all is to go wide - use systems like Patreon to have people pay them very small amounts, but to have enough mass appeal that the artist gets paid a decent wage.
but the only reason Patreon and the other similar sites work is because of the fact that you're paying for a "membership". There's no piece of art you're purchasing, because of how internet sharing works that kind of micro-pay macro-people strategy doesn't work.
The other classic option then for artists is "work directly for the corprorate oligarchs who own all ideas." Mad people on the internet obviously hate that, because the corporate oligarchs spend bazillions on market research and will change the product to achieve up to the minute maximum appeal to the greatest number of demographics possible to maximize profit.
So what's your solution? I feel like this is a completely different crowd, some might say the exact opposite crowd, from the folks who are typically anti the idea of ideas and concepts being private property.
Is the solution "private property is absolute, except for art, that belongs collectively to everyone and you just don't get to make money doing it?" Or do we have like an annual vote about whether or not you care about a particular piece of art media, and if a large enough majority of people vote "yes" then it collectively belongs to everyone and it must be maintained in current form for perpetuity by the people who currently own it?
I'm glad for the guy, really. And I can't wait to see what he does.
I was not saying GW was bad or anything. I mean, as a company, if somebody was racking up more than 10k a month doing stuff with my IP I would have done the same: Give him the offer of working for us if hes worth it, or just stop doing it. Of course I doubt we'll know exactly what happened or what offer GW gave him. But to me that seems the most plausible (In a non villanous way) of how something like this unfold.
I can't picture an alternative were GW offers him to job with them, he refuses because hes making good money from patreon, and GW is like "ok continue with what you were doing, no problem bro"
H.B.M.C. wrote: And dismissing misgivings as just 'salt' is kinda insulting.
I feel like there is a difference between knowing the facts of something and being upset and selectively choosing to make up facts and being upset. I'm not intending to be insulting, but I apologize for coming across that way. I just really disagree with the approach taken and it isn't because it is GW - this is the stance I would take on any subject
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the_scotsman wrote: I really have to wonder what the whole contingent of people who sees "company does something with the property that they own that I don't like" as the greatest cultural issue of our age would like to have as the solution. I only ever seen anger.
It's obvious that the answer isn't "I want artists to get paid a living wage by me for the art they produce" because at this point the only solution for artists to get paid at all is to go wide - use systems like Patreon to have people pay them very small amounts, but to have enough mass appeal that the artist gets paid a decent wage.
but the only reason Patreon and the other similar sites work is because of the fact that you're paying for a "membership". There's no piece of art you're purchasing, because of how internet sharing works that kind of micro-pay macro-people strategy doesn't work.
The other classic option then for artists is "work directly for the corprorate oligarchs who own all ideas." Mad people on the internet obviously hate that, because the corporate oligarchs spend bazillions on market research and will change the product to achieve up to the minute maximum appeal to the greatest number of demographics possible to maximize profit.
So what's your solution? I feel like this is a completely different crowd, some might say the exact opposite crowd, from the folks who are typically anti the idea of ideas and concepts being private property.
Is the solution "private property is absolute, except for art, that belongs collectively to everyone and you just don't get to make money doing it?" Or do we have like an annual vote about whether or not you care about a particular piece of art media, and if a large enough majority of people vote "yes" then it collectively belongs to everyone and it must be maintained in current form for perpetuity by the people who currently own it?
It isn't an easy question. Patent laws are pretty ridiculous for the most part, but they do serve a purpose to protect artists with new ideas. To put it into a reverse context - say you made something and then a large corporation comes in an makes something better / more accessible / cheaper - you would want some form of protection.
Patreon is a great platform and I don't know whether or not GW could truly tag him for profiteering.
I think this is great for him to, presumably, get a steady paycheck, not worry about IP violations, and get access to more resources and support.
The only cause for worry is that like most creative pursuits, when you have a financier dictating the product and direction of the work there is a risk the work loses its integrity and impact. Doesn't always happen but it can. In short, it's about whether he maintains exclusive artistic vision/direction in what gets produced or whether that gets meddled with.
Daedalus81 wrote: I feel like there is a difference between knowing the facts of something and being upset and selectively choosing to make up facts and being upset. I'm not intending to be insulting, but I apologize for coming across that way. I just really disagree with the approach taken and it isn't because it is GW - this is the stance I would take on any subject
I, on the other hand, am far too cynical to see this as anything other than GW attempting to stop their 'competitors' in the animation space.
GW's just about to launch their own suite of animations and suddenly all the big 'freelance' animators doing 40k stuff on YouTube all join up at once? That's not a coincidence.
The silver lining is that GW even 6 years ago would have just killed them. Even a Tau-esque 'Join us... or die!' approach is preferable to that. That's why I suspect that the 'offer he couldn't refuse' story is the most likely. Not because I have any 'proof', but because an entity like GW doesn't just do this out of the kindness of their corporate hearts. They did this to maintain control, and if in doing so they can avoid destroying 4 people, then that's all the better* for those people and the people who like their stuff.
*And lets more people bleat about how GW has "changed" because they have a Facebook page.
"But we couldn’t wrap things up without a reference to that title. The project is called The Exodite, after all, so what about the titular Aeldari? For now, you’ll just have to wait and see, but suffice to say that The Exodite will offer your most vivid look yet at an especially enigmatic branch of the Aeldari family tree. "
H.B.M.C. wrote: The silver lining is that GW even 6 years ago would have just killed them. Even a Tau-esque 'Join us... or die!' approach is preferable to that. That's why I suspect that the 'offer he couldn't refuse' story is the most likely. Not because I have any 'proof', but because an entity like GW doesn't just do this out of the kindness of their corporate hearts. They did this to maintain control, and if in doing so they can avoid destroying 4 people, then that's all the better* for those people and the people who like their stuff.
This.
Of all the potential ways this could have turned out from the very moment official GW entities started pointing people at the project this is probably the very best outcome we could have hoped for. Honestly it almost feels unrealistically good. The status quo is a C&D, but they could have just as easily gone the Disney route and just used it for their own promotional material and dared him to do anything about it.
So, after having watched the Astartes version on warhammer community I'll have to ask... what was the fuzz at the start of that thread about? It's been a while since I watched the original, but I couldn't spot any difference...
Sgt. Cortez wrote: So, after having watched the Astartes version on warhammer community I'll have to ask... what was the fuzz at the start of that thread about? It's been a while since I watched the original, but I couldn't spot any difference...
They added some music and changed some of the sound effects. I noticed particularly during the period during the second episode where the sniper/autocannon is setting up. That scene used to be silent apart from gunshots and then it had that lovely trade of gunfire after which the music kicked in in an up tempo, but now it just sort of slowly slides in with a more muted version.
When the landing craft is going in there was no music so you were left with just the sounds of the missiles, guns, and explosions.
I think the original was superior sound design for the most part. As a cohesive piece it didn't work the best so I think they tried to unify it with the changes they made and messed it up a bit.
Sgt. Cortez wrote: So, after having watched the Astartes version on warhammer community I'll have to ask... what was the fuzz at the start of that thread about? It's been a while since I watched the original, but I couldn't spot any difference...
They added some music and changed some of the sound effects. I noticed particularly during the period during the second episode where the sniper/autocannon is setting up. That scene used to be silent apart from gunshots and then it had that lovely trade of gunfire after which the music kicked in in an up tempo, but now it just sort of slowly slides in with a more muted version.
When the landing craft is going in there was no music so you were left with just the sounds of the missiles, guns, and explosions.
I think the original was superior sound design for the most part. As a cohesive piece it didn't work the best so I think they tried to unify it with the changes they made and messed it up a bit.
the biggest change is the end scene music IMO, it completely changes the tone and completely gets rid of the rhytmic "thump" of the squad being teleported on the pillars.
Sgt. Cortez wrote: So, after having watched the Astartes version on warhammer community I'll have to ask... what was the fuzz at the start of that thread about? It's been a while since I watched the original, but I couldn't spot any difference...
They added some music and changed some of the sound effects. I noticed particularly during the period during the second episode where the sniper/autocannon is setting up. That scene used to be silent apart from gunshots and then it had that lovely trade of gunfire after which the music kicked in in an up tempo, but now it just sort of slowly slides in with a more muted version.
When the landing craft is going in there was no music so you were left with just the sounds of the missiles, guns, and explosions.
I think the original was superior sound design for the most part. As a cohesive piece it didn't work the best so I think they tried to unify it with the changes they made and messed it up a bit.
Hmm, okay. I mean I realized that there was music all the time now, but it was very close to the (hardly used) original music, no?
Edit: I get that there are some subtle changes but reading " they've added SFX and music and ruined the entire thing" seems to be an extreme hyperbole even for dakka...
Hmm, okay. I mean I realized that there was music all the time now, but it was very close to the (hardly used) original music, no?
Edit: I get that there are some subtle changes but reading " they've added SFX and music and ruined the entire thing" seems to be an extreme hyperbole even for dakka...
I mean, most people aren't saying that, only very vocal posters decided to go super hard on the change and tear the creator a new one
Not a fan of art projects being under the thumb of a cooperation that has a vested interest in controlling what the art is expressing. While Astartes has not done anything I would consider harmful to the brand. It always put into question whether or not the content being produced is being censored through cooperate decision or being used to push a marketing angle. Still if the creator of the project wants to work with GW then that is great but there is always that concern that maybe GW hinted at legal action as a means to gain control of the content.
While much more of a parody, something like If the Emperor had a Text to Speech Device would not do well if GW was allowed to have any creative control over what they put in those videos.
Vankraken wrote: Not a fan of art projects being under the thumb of a cooperation that has a vested interest in controlling what the art is expressing. While Astartes has not done anything I would consider harmful to the brand. It always put into question whether or not the content being produced is being censored through cooperate decision or being used to push a marketing angle. Still if the creator of the project wants to work with GW then that is great but there is always that concern that maybe GW hinted at legal action as a means to gain control of the content.
While much more of a parody, something like If the Emperor had a Text to Speech Device would not do well if GW was allowed to have any creative control over what they put in those videos.
If that were the case though why would they release the original ( edited only in sound )?
That's the biggest win for me - GW is willing to embrace that though they may get into trouble with the kids stumble upon it.
TtSD is a whole other level of debauchery that doesn't really represent what Warhammer is about - it just takes place in the universe.
Vankraken wrote: Not a fan of art projects being under the thumb of a cooperation that has a vested interest in controlling what the art is expressing. While Astartes has not done anything I would consider harmful to the brand. It always put into question whether or not the content being produced is being censored through cooperate decision or being used to push a marketing angle. Still if the creator of the project wants to work with GW then that is great but there is always that concern that maybe GW hinted at legal action as a means to gain control of the content.
While much more of a parody, something like If the Emperor had a Text to Speech Device would not do well if GW was allowed to have any creative control over what they put in those videos.
If that were the case though why would they release the original ( edited only in sound )?
That's the biggest win for me - GW is willing to embrace that though they may get into trouble with the kids stumble upon it.
TtSD is a whole other level of debauchery that doesn't really represent what Warhammer is about - it just takes place in the universe.
Like I said, the Astartes videos didn't really do anything to harm the brand so there wasn't any reason for GW make any changes (no clue why they made the audio edits, not really something I would be concerned about). The concern is that what follows might be influenced by what GW wants included/excluded instead of what the artist is wanting to convey.
No GW apologist, but it seems everyone here has done the sensible thing. GW had to protect their IP, so they spoke to the guy. The fact they didn't just C&D the creator shows some outside the box thinking on their part, relative to their usual behaviour when it comes to copyright. The creator in turn then chose to keep doing what he's clearly extremely passionate about rather than be forced to stop entirely. Probably lost the big patreon money and some creative freedom, but he made his call. I suppose it's a shame for fans potentially because everything GW does ends up being a monkey's paw situation, but I suppose it's better than no Astartes style projects at all.
Banzaimash wrote: No GW apologist, but it seems everyone here has done the sensible thing. GW had to protect their IP, so they spoke to the guy. The fact they didn't just C&D the creator shows some outside the box thinking on their part, relative to their usual behaviour when it comes to copyright. The creator in turn then chose to keep doing what he's clearly extremely passionate about rather than be forced to stop entirely. Probably lost the big patreon money and some creative freedom, but he made his call. I suppose it's a shame for fans potentially because everything GW does ends up being a monkey's paw situation, but I suppose it's better than no Astartes style projects at all.
Eh, if it just ends up shilling Primaris, and we get creative dictates like "no non-Astartes can be depicted defeating an Astartes in combat" then I'd rather they just not do it.
Yeah, can't stand seeing Primaris shoved in everywhere. As I said, it's just a situation where everybody has acted rationally, yet somehow I feel GW will still feth this up - they almost always do.
I do believe that some of the fears of Primaris being crammed in these projects is a little overblown.
Remember; Angels of Death is another animated project in production, and we haven't seen Primaris pop up in images for that show. If Primaris were going to be crammed inside of these films, we would've seen it in the earlier reveals.
Guy makes a video showing Space Marines being awsome and blowing away everything in their path.
GW - 'By Jove! What a completely original take on our source material! We can't believe this idea has never been expressed before anywhere in any of our products, rules, books, or advertising material. Hire that man at once!'
I mean, you can be as competent as an amateur (as in, not being paid to do it, rather than skill level) as you want. Which is what we’ve seen with Astartes.
But GW have shown themselves to be willing to take you pro, rather than shut you down for IP infringement.
That’s more akin to the Talent Scout fairytale at a gig than some monstrous corporate entity, no?
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Segersgia wrote: I do believe that some of the fears of Primaris being crammed in these projects is a little overblown.
Remember; Angels of Death is another animated project in production, and we haven't seen Primaris pop up in images for that show. If Primaris were going to be crammed inside of these films, we would've seen it in the earlier reveals.
And so what if they do?
Whether folk like it or not, Primaris are Marines, and they’re here to stay. They’re not gonna be retconned out. They’re not gonna be viewed as The Kid’s Option.
Seriously. So what if they do become Primaris? What is the actually impact, other than wannabe gate keepers getting their nose out of joint because the company behind the thing they’re gate keeping utterly ignores their futile attempts at gate keeping a property which isn’t theirs to gate keep in the first place?
Banzaimash wrote: No GW apologist, but it seems everyone here has done the sensible thing. GW had to protect their IP, so they spoke to the guy. The fact they didn't just C&D the creator shows some outside the box thinking on their part, relative to their usual behaviour when it comes to copyright. The creator in turn then chose to keep doing what he's clearly extremely passionate about rather than be forced to stop entirely. Probably lost the big patreon money and some creative freedom, but he made his call. I suppose it's a shame for fans potentially because everything GW does ends up being a monkey's paw situation, but I suppose it's better than no Astartes style projects at all.
Eh, if it just ends up shilling Primaris, and we get creative dictates like "no non-Astartes can be depicted defeating an Astartes in combat" then I'd rather they just not do it.
I mean that second one won't be a problem for the creator of Astartes at least....
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Seriously. So what if they do become Primaris? What is the actually impact, other than wannabe gate keepers getting their nose out of joint because the company behind the thing they’re gate keeping utterly ignores their futile attempts at gate keeping a property which isn’t theirs to gate keep in the first place?
Yeah I'm not sure either what's the big issue if he animates primaris marines instead of first born outside of "I don't like primaris stuff".
You could replace the 5 marines from Astartes by 5 intercessors and it wouldn't change anything outside of having to modify the intro where it is stated when the story takes place.
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